[["#ubuntu-app-devel 2012-07-09\n hey guys. i need a way to specify \"prefer\", \"don't mind\", \"prefer not\" and \"can't\" for each day of the week. here's my two alternatives i can think of: a grid of checkboxes, with prefer/prefer not etc. being vertical axis and days of week being horizontal\n or simply a combobox for each day of the week\n what do you think is the best out of the two? any other ways to let users choose?\n hey guys. I have a group of radio boxes, and the choices are \"prefers to work the same days every week\" or \"prefers to work different days every week\"\n that's pretty inelegant. does anyone have any ideas about what would make better radio button labels and an overall frame label?\n (\"Prefers to work... [x] same days every week [ ] different days every week\" seems a bit gross\n getting a bit tense now\n good morning\n good morning\n hello\n i haven't slept in quite a long time\n but i'm determined to finish my program in time\n does the code quality matter at all in the judging?\n there's stuff in here i wouldn't show my parents let alone feel comfortable showing you guys\n Will123, we won't review the code, but for the app's stability, it'd be nice to have robust code. Crashes will obviously score negatively\n dpm: yeah, that makes sense\n unfortunately due to the time constraints i've had to rush a lot of things and add a lot of horrible hacks. obviously i'm avoiding crashes but post-competition i'd like to go over and touch it up\n and bulldoze some of it down\n Hello\n I created app for Ubuntu Showdown\n But I used Qt4, not Quickly\n So, how can I create package?\n robotex: I'm lazy, but I would probably try to get your program to be started by the __init__.py inside quickly\n https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard/Submissions/PackageQuickStart might help\n I'm using gtk, but without Glade or Builder, but quickly runs my python program just fine\n sigurdga: have you tried any unity shell integration yet?\n XB-Icon: is the filename of the app icon. (This must exactly match the icon filename added to the package meta-data in the debian/rules file.)\n XB-Screenshot-Url: is the URL to a screenshot image. This is the screenshot image you upload with your review request, and the URL should be on https://software-center.ubuntu.com.\n Do I must to download somewhere this images and writes URLs?\n Or this is patches to images in repository?\n Will123: Only drop file to launcher icon (to open a file in the program), that's all I need, I think.\n robotex, don't worry about these, IIRC they are now handled by myapps.developer.ubuntu.com, so you can ignore them for now\n so, don't add this lines?\n sigurdga: fair enough :) i've not managed it myself\n just this lines or all XB- ?\n guys, i couldn't get drag and drop in my application to work, so as a rubbish work around I have a button on the widget that you click, then you click on another destination widget (simulating the kind of thing you'd do with drag and drop)\n Will123: I have nothing that needs indicators or message popups or anything like that\n however i've got nothing that makes it obvious that you're suddenly in the \"associate this object with another one by clicking it\" mode\n any ideas? what should i do? have a big label that appears saying \"you're now in such and such a mode\"?\n Will123: that was what came into my mind as well (the big label)\n sigurdga: glad it's not too crazy an idea then. :) where do you think i should put it? a status bar at the bottom of the window is too out of the way, and i don't really want to move all my widgets down to fit in a big label at the top. i don't know how to make a temporary popup (infact when i tried, it crashed everything horribly). i'm even considering putting it in the toolbar\n sigurdga: (i've not got any use for indicators or message pop ups either)\n about rules file:\n Will123: I'm not so good at this, but I would put a label at the top. I think you can hide() and show() it to enable it when you want to show it.\n You must add a small piece to set up the app icon in the Software Center. (It's a bit ugly, but there's no other way to do it at the moment.) Define an override_dh_gencontrol target that copies your image icon outside the top-level directory (to \"../myapp.png\"), and then adds the icon to the package meta-data. The name of the file added to the package meta-data must exactly match the XB-Icon filename in the debian/control file. It has to be a\n PNG icon, and not SVG or some other format.\n is this necessary?\n sigurdga: i'll give it a go, thanks :)\n Oh\n override_dh_gencontrol:\n dh_gencontrol\n cp icons/myapp-64x64.png ../myapp.png\n dpkg-distaddfile myapp.png raw-meta-data -\n if this icon folder must be located in debian directory or upper?\n robotex, you can do 'quickly create ubuntu-application foo', 'cd foo', 'quickly package --extras' and then use the generated debian/rules and debian/control files for your example\n assuming you're using PyQt or PySide\n not python\n c++\n in desktop file it must be only SVG icon?\n Can I use PNG?\n ok, I'm doing debuild\n but see error\n debian/rules:13: *** missing separator (did you mean TAB instead of 8 spaces?). Stop.\n but I don't have TABs in this file\n what's wrong?\n dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -D -us -uc failed\n robotex@robotex-laptop:~/workspace/mirrorcam-1.0$ fakeroot debian/rules clean\n debian/rules:13: *** missing separator (did you mean TAB instead of 8 spaces?). Stop.\n what's wrong?\n there is no Tabs in this file\n robotex, try opening the file in vim for example - it should show you if there's tabs instead of spaces\n is tabs looks like as red lines in vim?\n yes\n change the tab to 8 spaces\n and configure your editor to use spaces instead of tabs :)\n and you should be fine\n how to input in vim? :)\n I press space, cursor moving, but not inputing\n helo evry one\n i have a project to submit in app showdown i don't how to submit it ..... please help me out.. !!\n , no. Red lines is a spaces\n psychognite: http://developer.ubuntu.com/showdown/ step 4, what's going wrong?\n robotex, maybe the indentation is wrong?\n 8 spaces\n i used quickly to build a package from my project then dput doesn't work\n psychognite: do you have an error message?\n yes\n sir\n , you are wrong. I changed all to TABs and problem gone\n but I see next problem\n by using quickly package i build .deb .changes .tar.gz .dsc files now what to do next\n robotex, haha, yes, you're right - I misread the error message above\n * dholbach might need another cup of tea or coffee\n i have creates openpgp keys for launchpad and code of conduct\n psychognite: try quickly submitubuntu , then it also handles uploading to the ppa as far as I know.\n error occured:\n Get Launchpad Settings\n Launchpad connection is ok\n No Launchpad project set, leave blank to abort.\n Launchpad project name: No launchpad project given, aborting.\n ERROR: submitubuntu command failed\n Aborting\n It's compiling!\n Yahoo!\n Done!\n psychognite: see http://askubuntu.com/questions/158853/no-launchpad-project-set-when-running-quickly-submitubuntu\n (in short, creating a launchpad project like submitubuntu wants to have should work)\n my first deb package in a life ^_^\n sir i m out of my mind what should b my next step .. ?\n hm, but when I successfully install this package I don't see the app\n so, I get many files\n what can I do with it?\n i have created ppa and don't know how to upload my files...... can anyone do help me out ... !!!\n if it normal that I don't see my app in /opt?\n and I don't see it in dash\n What?! Why package is empty? 0_o\n What did I do wrong?\n psychognite: try 'quickly upload'\n if it normal?\n This package has a Debian revision number but there does not seem to be\n an appropriate original tar file or .orig directory in the parent directory;\n (expected one of mirrorcam_1.0.orig.tar.gz, mirrorcam_1.0.orig.tar.bz2,\n mirrorcam_1.0.orig.tar.lzma, mirrorcam_1.0.orig.tar.xz or mirrorcam-1.0.orig)\n continue anyway? (y/n) y\n what is the .orig file?\n How to create it?\n Somebody, please tell me\n Is it normal that deb file has size 2 Kb?\n and no contains binaries?\n mine is 15k\n robotex: that's normal.\n but in deb only /usr/share/docs\n continue upload?\n , when package will contains files?\n after uploading to AppCenter?\n robotex: the stuff you're uploading should contain your project files. Debs do, they just don't contain the requirements (those are already in the repositories)\n , but where my app files? I opened deb by ark and didn't seen it\n robotex: well, if your files are nowhere in there, there's something wrong I'd say.\n oh god\n why is it so difficult\n Can somebody see my project http://ubuntuone.com/2y9yodNKHTiOlWqSreUlAr and say what is wrong?\n the fact that it's so hard is one of the main reasons we created Quickly\n yes, Quickly is good\n dholbach is a bit busy right now, but perhaps coolbhavi or ajmitch can have a look at your package and give you a hand if they're around ^\n in archive I included generated files and my source dir with debian dir\n robotex, have you got your code somewhere online? It would help reviewers a lot. This might be helpful if you haven't published your code yet: http://askubuntu.com/questions/154129/how-can-i-publish-my-project-code-online-so-someone-can-help-me-with-it\n , if you want to see project code you can do this there https://github.com/NicholasShatokhin/mirrorcam\n but in my archive in UbuntuOne you can see also debian files that need for generating deb package and result files\n ok, cool, glad to see it's online, that will be useful for anyone who can help you\n sir i have uploaded my package on launchpad now how to indulge in app showdown competition\n psychognite, it's all explained on http://developer.ubuntu.com/showdown. If any of the steps is not clear, please, let us know\n sir i have go through all but now i am struct where i could know my app is on compettion\n can anybody see my code at github? https://github.com/NicholasShatokhin/mirrorcam.git I commited debian files\n how to say debuild put files in bin dir, not in dir with sources?\n tata bye bye\n what dirs must be in source dir before packaging started?\n Hello, I'm having problem with packaging my python-app, could use some help.\n I've installed it with \"sudo dpkg --install appyours_0.3-1ubuntu0_amd64.deb\"\n Shouldn't I be able to start it system-wide running \"appyours\" from the terminal?\n what happens when you try that?\n command not found\n if i run python appyours it says \"/usr/bin/python: can't find '__main__' module in 'appyours'\"\n On the next shutdown I will try to write quickly for Qt4 + C++\n *showdown\n I'm following this guide (http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/packaging-new-software.html) but it might not apply to python-apps?\n From some guide: \"If you're packaging a Python module, section should be python, but not for applications.\"\n Not 100% sure on this.. as I got a python-app. Should I stick with devel, or use python instead?\n robotex, hey\n dpm, sorry missed the ping :)\n robotex, why are you including cmake files inside debian directory?\n oops sorry I took a look wrongly\n , are you so some wrong in configs?\n robotex, why is the source field blank in d/copyright\n ?\n , debian/copyright?\n yes the copyright file under the debian/ dir\n hm, my fault\n and your package requires qmake I guess\n for building\n yes\n it's first package in my life\n ok :-) it just ftbfs I found qmake missing on my system so installing it now\n I think in debian missing some scripts that must copy binaries into deb package\n wait\n hm\n No one got a clue on what could be wrong? Can't run my app after installed it, if i use \"python appyours\" then it says \"/usr/bin/python: can't find '__main__' module in 'appyours'\"\n yes m just test building let me see the results\n I added something and now debuild copy pictures into package\n robotex, I think you need qt4-qmake as a build dependency\n otherwise it fails to build\n from source\n /usr/share/pixmaps is it correct path for icons?\n Must I add lib*-dev to build decencies ?\n just a moment m test building\n generally pixmaps could do btw\n for icons\n is debian/rules correct?\n must I add files .install and -dev.install or it's only for libraries?\n no as of now I found just adding qt4-qmake to build dep in debian/control solves the 1st check\n just some time pls I am just building the package now\n hey can anyone tell me how much time is left for submission of The Ubuntu App Showdown!!\n its urgent...\n you have until midnight, but i recommend getting it in before then\n robotex, also I found XB-Screenshot-Url: missing in debian/control\n i have made application in c language.can anyone tell me how to package it and submit it??\n wooo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard/Submissions/PackageQuickStart\n , 8 hours\n wooo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard/Submissions/PackageQuickStart\n robotex, and also try to wrap the long description in debian/control to 80 chars per line\n , ok\n hi all\n im one of the App Showdown particiants\n I jkust wanted to upload, now I read deadline is over?!\n or is the countdown @ http://developer.ubuntu.com/2012/07/ubuntu-app-showdown-deadline-approaching-get-your-submissions-ready/ wrong?\n becuase several hours ago it said till midnight UTC\n hi zoopster\n when is App Showdon deadline?!\n i hope the deadline hasn't passed\n i'm still working\n no idea markus__ it says 9 july\n which time zone?\n kk, I'll upload any way\n doesn't give a timezone\n markus__: on that website also it is mentioned 1 day left.\n dpm: ^^\n I had the counter up from earlier, and it stated 8 hours plus. When I refreshed, it had gone.\n i read time is upo :/\n yeah I thought I had 10 hours left\n yess suddenly it says no time no more\n me too\n :( i was juuuust about finishing up too\n let's not panic\n :D\n okay, so does anyone here actually know when the proper deadline is? is there anyone we can message?\n dholbach should know if this is a website mishap or if it has already passed\n markus__, sigurdga, will, yeah, time is up, the counter has been updated, as it had the wrong end date. If you can get your apps ready in a few hours, we'll get them in too, don't worry, but please hurry up a bit\n will, zoopster ^\n im trying to upload, however quickly share doesn't like me\n dpm, is there a list with all available apps for the contest?\n markus__, you should use quickly submitubuntu\n dholbach, I am trying to build an app called mirrorcam from source from the package that robotex submitted but its ftbfs due to qmake not found last lines of the log here: http://pastebin.com/0QU2r0R2\n toabctl, we're working on it\n ah, k!\n thanks for the clarification dpm\n coolbhavi, might be worth adding as build-dep :)\n I'm tempted to re-reset the counter to the wrong end date to minimize confusion. Let's see if someone else brings it up first\n I tried to build with qt4-qmake as a build dep but it leads to even more weird ftbfs\n ll paste the log in a sec\n i am trying command dh_make --native --packagename=geekchat_0.1 --copyright=gpl3 to make package of my app that i had written in c language...but i am getting following error... Currently there is no top level Makefile. This may require additional tuning.Done. Please edit the files in the debian/ subdirectory now. You should alsocheck that the geekchat Makefiles install into $DESTDIR and not in / .\n somebody please help!!!\n dpm: i totally wouldn't mind if the counter got reset to the wrong end date :P\n Packaging a python app, what should I type on depends in the control-file? Different sites says different things.. *confused*\n somebody please help!!\n dholbach, here it goes: http://pastebin.com/CV83Lm8X maybe some linking missing?\n wooo im getting the same message at the end in return.\n coolbhavi,\n daniel@daydream:~$ dlocate /usr/bin/uic-qt4\n libqt4-dev-bin: /usr/bin/uic-qt4\n daniel@daydream:~$\n this might be missing\n not sure if works anyway.. you still get the debian-folder right?\n ah ok thanks!\n MetalGodWin : yaa i am getting the debian folder\n wooo: I think it's supposed to behave like that. So that message is nothing to bother\n on the guide im following that message appears in teh example*\n hey guys\n I'm wondering when the deadline for the UAS is? Is it 9th at 00:00 or 9th at 23:59?\n also in which time region?\n deadline is over, but they accept the ur project when u upload in the next hours\n dholbach, still no luck :)\n coolbhavi, what's the error message now?\n ui_MainForm.h:13:27: fatal error: QtCore/QVariant: No such file or directory\n compilation terminated.\n , are you include libqt4_core-dev?\n argh.. what should I fill as depends on my python app.. except python itself. If my app depends on quickly (As in my app extends quickly) should i add quickly as a dependency?\n then ur INLCUDE_PATH may be wrong\n coolbhavi, libqt4-dev\n dholbach, figured it out :)\n robotex, I guess you need to add whole bunch of packages to build-deps\n Ok, I will add this and then commit\n wait for minute\n quickly fails @ \"quickly package\"\n so i cant submit\n it fails without ERROR message, just fails\n i cant run quickly share, quickly submitubuntu. Is there another way to deliver without packaging?\n , try this https://github.com/NicholasShatokhin/mirrorcam.git\n robotex, wait a min I get qt opengl not found now\n , I added libqt4-opengl-dev to depends\n robotex, moved it to build dep\n , yes, to build-depends\n ok\n hey for packaging our application did we have to make package of the whole source or we have to make package of binary file or something else????\n markus, can you run debuild -S ?\n in your project folder?\n trying\n debuild: fatal error at line 627: cannot find readable debian/changelog anywhere! Are you in the source code tree?\n , do you have file changelog in debian dir?\n noneed4anick so no i cant\n i dont have a debian dir\n shouldn't quickly do that?\n markus__, changelog file\n Change the release target from \"unstable\" to the current Ubuntu release \"oneiric\".\n Add the ARB version string \"-0extras11.10.1\" to the package version.\n The finished file will look something like:\n myapp (0.1-0extras11.10.1) oneiric; urgency=low\n * Initial Release.\n -- My Name Sun, 01 Apr 2012 13:20:56 -0700\n markus__, instead oneiric - precise, instead 11.10 - 12.04\n robotex, now getting opencv not found error :) the list is growing big :)\n coolbhavi>, wait\n markus__: are you making the package of whole source folder??? if i have to include my executable file in it??\n coolbhavi, I made misprint in Build-Depends\n robotex, build depends is basically build/compile time depends to build the package\n I'm sorry, iI don't get what u mean. I made my app with \"quickly\" and python.\n quickly created a debian folder, so now i do a changlog file\n , I commited\n ll check pls wait\n debuild -S\n now works\n dpkg-source: error: source package name `blubPhone' contains illegal character `P\n how do I change the name in quickly?\n robotex, there is duplicate build depends field now in the git\n :)\n wait what?\n fuck\n try this\n robotex, :) just paste it at the top :)\n finally\n i was able to upload\n i had to enable prerelease install 2 other packages and change the name to lower case\n Hm...\n Maybe I need to compile binaries into bin folder and in debian/install add copying this folder\n but how can I tell debuilt to compile into bin?\n anybody remember how to set compile destination in *.pro?\n yeah, DESTDIR\n thx, guys for helping me, mananged to upload all files.\n is it enough, that i uploaded only one file @ \"my Apps\" @ developer.ubuntu.com ?\n the files content is http://developer.ubuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Ubuntu-App-Showdown-Participation-Details.txt\n Yeah! Worked!\n , I undestood packaging dao :)\n wait, I will commit\n :)\n sorry was having dinner\n , ok, I need some time to reorganize my repository\n robotex, sure brb\n , what files except binary and icons must be in deb?\n Hi, I'm trying to package and app to /opt using quickly package --extras, but the program spits out an error when run that locale can't be found. There's no /opt/extras.ubuntu.com/app/share/locale directory created. How do I fix this?\n omg, I don't see timer any more?\n Can I still send app?\n Still could use some guidance on packaging a python app if anyone is up for it. Been at it for hours now\n guys, where debuild gets paths for compiling? I moving sources, how to tell debuild where it?\n anybody knows?\n did have huge problems too\n but got it after some hjours\n MetalGodWin whats ur problem?\n not sure on what i should fill in on build-depends or depends in the control file.\n did u do the python app with quickly?\n nope, from scratch by hand\n (quickly edit)\n ah, hmm... okay... then I can't help. I had huge problems with quickly submitubuntu, an thought that's the problem\n well, python coding from scratch.. could one soltion be to create a quickly app, then merge my sourcefiles with that project?\n MetalGodWin: That should work\n depends is for dependencies when running, build-depends for dependencies while building the application\n MetalGodWin: that's probably the easier solution\n commandoline, markus__ thanks. I'll try that.\n anybody knows how to tell debuild where seek sources files?\n debuild -S -sa will build and upload with the src tarball\n oh my god\n app icon not showing on Launcher\n how can I add icon to launcher?\n robotex: did you install via the software center?\n because only the software center adds the icon as far as I know.\n I not about this\n I found decision http://askubuntu.com/questions/65054/unity-launcher-api-for-c\n ok :)\n Can we still send applications?\n I hope so, as I am about so upload now\n are you using python?\n signal << \"application://firefox.desktop\";\n if firefox, app works with firefox icon\n if I put my app name, I don't see icon\n what's is wrong?\n Do I need register my app somewhere in dbus?\n i'm sending default icon, no more energy\n how to create default icon?\n I don't see any icon in Launcher, only in Dash\n how do i change adress of my ppa when submitting with quickly??\n I had 2 on launchpad.. deleted the first yesterday and created a new one today. No when im submitting to ubuntu quickly tries to upload to my old/deleted ppa... really annoying\n Do I need to sign a new key or something...? Or what is it that connects the adress of this deleted ppa ?\n I cant set icon to Launcher\n even when I drag it from dash\n Qt4\n why apps can't pin to launcher?\n what's probably issues?\n if I delete appname.desktop, all ok\n why?\n really a lot of fields to fill out on the developer site\n Yahoo! Done\n How to send app?\n When you submitted on the development site, you should not upload file, you should make comment about PPA, using the defined format. But it is not easy to understand if you comment has been submitted or not, as it looks like it failed because of missing binary.\n Getting tired of all these forms, I was finished with my app several hours ago.\n I don't understand\n Must I turn checkbox I load my app later?\n Where do I must upload text file for showdown?\n where must I put comment?\n where can I get format?\n , can you explain what can I do?\n I actually got it now. You should upload that file. I'll give you the details.\n Upload deb file?\n Or txt?\n http://developer.ubuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Ubuntu-App-Showdown-Participation-Details.txt\n Fill in this file, and upload it\n https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard/Submissions\n upload instead deb file?\n should be named ppa-info.txt\n yes, you have to upload to a ppa, and specify that ppa in this file\n So, I must fill, rename to ppa-info.txt and upload? I must upload in my apps or throught dput?\n I used submitubuntu\n quickly submitubuntu\n it took a while, and there was a lot of stuff to do\n I see in wiki two URL needed\n but in file only one\n How must calls second URL for Sources?\n just use that file, withour renaming\n without\n it's renamed to a ppa-info_3.txt\n is it normal?\n yes\n Your application has been submitted for review.\n and if you use the original filename, mine got _72 appended, so that is probably the correct thing to do\n Done?\n that is what I have done\n Must I add deb somewhere?\n Not if you have already uploaded to a PPA\n I upload dput ppa:robotex/ppa mirrorcam_1.0-0extras12.04.1_i386.changes\n is it enought?\n I think your looks more empty than mine: https://launchpad.net/~sigurdga/+archive/maps\n oh. my failed to build, so I'm still not finished :(\n some well known lib issue, it seems\n robotex@robotex-laptop:~/workspace/packaging/mirrorcam/1.0$ dput ppa:robotex/ppa mirrorcam_1.0-0extras12.04.1_i386.changes\n Package has already been uploaded to ppa on ppa.launchpad.net\n Nothing more to do for mirrorcam_1.0-0extras12.04.1_i386.changes\n But on my PPA page I don't see anything?\n Is it normal?\n So, is job done? Can I go drink beer? :)\n Good night to all!\n I don't know\n And goodluck with review!\n should it say .changes?\n It already updated\n I see my app\n ok. good.\n I hope it will be accepted\n good luck\n I go to celebrate :)\n Good luck to you as well!\n I hope you are more lucky with the build at launchpad\n is anyone here today?\n how can i push my app to my ppa with quickly when i use quantal but want to push for precise?\n I'm confused about the showdown deadline\n the javascript countdown timer on http://developer.ubuntu.com/showdown forgot to take into account timezones, i think\n#ubuntu-app-devel 2012-07-10\n Can someone give me a sample Makefile for compiling a C++ app?\n morning\n good morning\n Hi All! Two members of our loco submitted an app for the competition, but it still did not appear on trello.com. Who shall I bug for that?\n Here are some more reports, http://www.reddit.com/r/ubuntuappshowdown/comments/wbjqz/cant_see_my_app_on_trello/\n hi simosx, could you give us the link to your app on myapps.developer.ubuntu.com?\n helo evreyone out here\n how can we check how many apps are participated in ubuntu app showdown competition ... ??\n sir i guess any one here hv idea about that\n !!!\n dpm, see https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/1183/\n * simosx notes that it's not my app; they are apps from members of our loco.\n dpm, and the second one at https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/1092/\n simosx, https://davidplanella.wordpress.com/2012/07/10/heads-up-to-all-ubuntu-app-showdown-participants/\n dpm, thanks. I'll forward this to our loco.\n cool :)\n dpm, cool blog post\n :)\n thanks bhavani_, I've got the list of apps and the voting survey ready now. Will wait to sync up with Jono, send an update to the judges and we can then start voting\n dpm, sure great! I pinged jono today morning 3 times on irc guess he was away\n yeah, it must have been way past his end of the day\n hmm\n what will happen if in extras-myapp.desktop i will make terminal =true?\n please somebody reply its urgent!!\n someone help please!!\n helo every one\n i have some query\n about app showdown .... !!\n i have submit my app for showdown from Myapp portal\n with document attached\n on 9 th july\n hi psychognite, what's your actual question?\n in my Myapp section it mentioned that in a draft state what does mean .. ??\n is it submitted or not .. ??\n psychognite, if it is in draft state, it means you haven't finished completing all of the fields\n i have filled all the fields\n and pressed the submit application button?\n what's the URL of your app?\n i.e. the myapps.developer.ubuntu.com url\n https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/\n https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/1272/\n i have now submit for review what does that mean ... ???\n you need to press that button to submit your app, but I'm afraid it might be too late for the contest\n oh no.... but i only not press for review only although i have completed all the details ...\n ??\n So, I've followed the Python-Gtk + WebKit tutorial on quickly by Jono Bacon. (Nice work, btw.) What it really boiled down to for me was learning some of the Python-Gtk bindings, and quick introduction to Glade.\n I'm now trying to test some limits of the Python GTK functionality by augmenting the mini webbrowser to various actions based on os signals. (e.g. SIGUSR1, SIGHUP, etc.). Note that these are specifically *not* the signals of slots and signals that I keep finding when I use \"Gtk\" and \"signals\" as Google search terms.\n I've connected the signals as I'm aware how to do with Python's signal.signal functionality, but now I'm falling victim to the third bullet point of http://docs.python.org/library/signal.html . Is there some way I can register -- through the gi.repository.Gtk bindings -- a handler for *OS* signals?\n dpm: I couldn't find my app on the Trello board: https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/1297\n sigurdga: https://davidplanella.wordpress.com/2012/07/10/heads-up-to-all-ubuntu-app-showdown-participants/https://davidplanella.wordpress.com/2012/07/10/heads-up-to-all-ubuntu-app-showdown-participants/\n Woops sorry! The link should be: https://davidplanella.wordpress.com/2012/07/10/heads-up-to-all-ubuntu-app-showdown-participants/\n jvrbanac: sorry, I mis-read the text in the post. And saw there was other comments about similar apps earlier.\n jvrbanac: thanks\n np\n I will panic again if it's not on the list that will be blogged ;)\n :)\n#ubuntu-app-devel 2012-07-11\n Hello all! I had a quick question, I received an email back from submitting an app to the app showdown, and it said some changes were made, and then \"I'll submit it for vote for inclusion in Ubuntu Extras.\" I would assume this means I should take no action? However, the email also said, as part of the standard template, that I should make the changes and resubmit the application. Also, my...\n ...status on myapps is Needs information. He said he posted the revised edition on a ppa which he linked, so should I resubmit and point to that ppa? Or merge, then resubmit with new ppa?\n I emailed him back, so I will see if he responds, thanks!\n Morning dholbach\n good morning\n :-P\n * dholbach hugs noodles775\n :)\n Hello, I am writing a python app for Ubuntu. Some of the modules of python 2.7 are deprecated so should I use them as I heard Ubuntu 12.10 will have Python 3 by default.\n Hello, is there a way to check where my app is in the que? I've been waiting over a week to publish an update.\n Question... suppose I have a package that contains the name of a nonexistent package in the 'Recommends:' field of the debian/control file. Would the package still install?\n george_e, it should work. Let me see...\n with gdebi or 'dpkg -i' you don't even get a warning, just installs fine\n Great, thanks.\n I was hoping that would be the result.\n hello\n anyone there? I would like to know .. where quickly submitubuntu find information about the ppa to use in commit.. because I have deleted a PPA and now quickly submitubuntu is trying to send data to that ppa..\n that I have deleted. Where can I change it? many thanks\n quickly configure ppa\n for a list of other things you can configure: quickly help configure\n ok! thanks you guinea-pig :)\n goodbye\n#ubuntu-app-devel 2012-07-12\n Hello\n should my lp: repository have a \"build\" directory\n ?\n good morning\n morning\n how often is https://apps.ubuntu.com updated?\n dpm, do you know the answer?\n toabctl, I don't know the exact turnaround, but I'd say something between 'immediately and after a few hours' after an app has been updated\n dpm, ok. thanks\n toabctl, but none of the appshowdown apps have been published yet\n dpm, pictag has\n dpm, pictag has been published :)\n and wikipedia lens too\n but that was not part of the showdown\n oh, thanks dholbach for the heads up\n dpm, in which repository are the apps? extras.ubuntu.com ?\n toabctl, yes\n dpm, and where's the source the package is build from?\n toabctl, when he comes back from lunch dholbach will be able to tell you in more detail\n dpm, ok. maybe i found it: https://launchpad.net/~app-review-board/+archive/ppa\n toabctl, yep, that's the production PPA from the ARB. All that is built in there is synced to extras.ubuntu.com, but I think there is a Launchpad branch where you can see the code changes\n which is probably https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/ubuntu-app-reviews/pictag\n dpm: apps.ubuntu.com is updated 1x per day around midnight utc\n toabctl, ^\n thanks zoopster\n sure\n thanks zoopster , dpm\n dpm, hey! how are you doing?\n heya coolbhavi, good, thanks, and you? :)\n dpm, doing good :) Just realising how painful app reviews can be at times :)\n * coolbhavi just voted a +0 on one of the apps\n Hi, I have a project made with quickly and I need to change my debian/copyright because, the one that quickly create with \"quickly submitubuntu\" command is bugged... any idea? more information here : http://askubuntu.com/questions/162718/quickly-creates-wrong-debian-copyright-file\n * crazycoder1999 lost in quickly..\n#ubuntu-app-devel 2012-07-13\n if i write an app that uses \"Application Indicators\" for Ubuntu12.04, will it be backwards compatible with Ubuntu11.x ?\n (using Python)\n what's the language for ubuntu development?\n hello?\n anyone here?\n mths, python\n i notice that from python i can \"import appindicator\"\n is that a valid way for my script to know that it is running in Ubuntu Unity?\n for example if my script needs to also support, Gnome3 or Cinnamon.\n good morning\n morning dholbach\n good morning all\n dholbach, dpm is it possible to update the pictag package? the dependencies are wong. see #1024165\n toabctl, send a mail to the ARB list with a link to a branch or source package please\n dholbach, ok. thx\n Hi :) Is it ok that my app is pending for re-review 9 hours since I've fixed the problem with it?\n Hi, I am using subprocess.Popen in my app. I am giving a file path as an argument but when there is a space, python only reads argument string upto the space and ignores rest. How to solve this?\n int_ua: it is ok...give reviewers time to review it again\n zoopster: thanks :)\n hallo\n where's the best place to post announcements for developers interested in a project?\n would this channel be such a place?\n Hi. I am going to begin developing an open source program from an idea I have. My focus in the beginning is having it for Ubuntu/Linux distros. However, if it takes off I would like to be able to release windows/mac os x versions. Java is not an option and is actually THE reason I am developing this program because java has too many issues (performance mostly) on linux unless you have a blazing fast machine. What\n are some good language/gui kit combos to use?\n mikehaas763: wxwidgets and python maybe\n python/Qt ?\n dholbach, dpm when i try to update my app with quickly, quickly changes debian/control and debian/changelog. i wanted to fix #1024165 and wanted to release a new version with \"quickly submitubuntu\" but the result is not usable.\n see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~toabctl/pictag/quickly_trunk/revision/55\n I'm afraid I don't know how to deal with this\n My app is in the Waiting on Developer list on Trello but doesn't show up in the Contestants list. How is that so?\n mterry: also, if you ha ve a couple of spare mins, could you help me with definitively solving this? https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/1274/feedback/ thanks\n Phoenix87, hello!\n mterry: hi\n Phoenix87, so the desktop issue is tricky, since quickly likes to override debian/rules and such. Your modifications won't keep.\n mterry: i prefer to stop using quickly for now\n Phoenix87, the debian/rules that quickly uses for submitubuntu in 12.04 has several hacks like moving the desktop file and fixing up paths\n Phoenix87, OK\n Phoenix87, so let's start with the base that quickly gives you. Let me see what 12.04's quickly's debian/rules looks like\n mterry: anyway is the deb i have uploaded on my ppa good, or do I have to push another version?\n ok\n Phoenix87, it certainly installs into /opt, but as you noted, the user can't run it :-/\n mterry: oh so this is the version that will be included in the software center? I though that the current deb would serve as the purpouse of judgement only\n Phoenix87, I don't know actually. I'm not judging this, I just work on quickly\n mterry: another issue is that related to the prerm and postinst scripts. If i manually package my app with debuild -S they are not included in the deb compiled by launchpad\n mterry: this is the debian/rules generated by 12.04: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1090418/\n Phoenix87, hah, you wish it were that simple. If you package --extras with up-to-date 12.04: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1090415/\n so there is a lot of junk there, which I can explain. You might only want some of it\n mterry: ops i forgot --extras\n Some of that is working around sub-optimal setup.py that earlier versions of quickly shipped.\n mterry: ok now my rules looks pretty much like yours\n But that desktop section at least is important (moving it and sed'ing it)\n And same with the DATA_DIRS and gsettings stuff if you use gsettings\n OK\n So do you know how to manually package up an app?\n mterry: i guess so\n mterry: I have used the combo debuild / dput to have the job done\n Yup, just that should do it. debuild -S -i -I and dput ppa:\n mterry: the deb currently in my ppa has been manually packaged like this\n cool\n mterry: but as I mentioned earlier, that deb is missing prerm and postinst\n I had to manually add them into the debian folder in order to have them show up in the deb\n That's good. You shouldn't need them... What was in them?\n the PYTHON_MODULES stuff\n without them the program won't run issuing /opt/extras.ubuntu.com/gtumbler/bin/gtumbler\n it raises a import module name not found\n i guess this is due to the fact that it is installing into /opt\n Ah, OK... Well as long as you got it working now\n mterry: so it is OK to manually include those scripts?\n Phoenix87, if they are needed... I'm not actually familiar with that side of the issue. I didn't think they were needed, but you sound like you've talked to dholbach about it, who is authoritative for such things\n mterry: yeah but I didn't receive a reply from him about this, so I'm not sure about it\n Phoenix87, well, I thought they weren't needed for /opt, but again, my recollection is less important than whether they are needed in practice. :)\n hold on a sec, let me ask stgraber\n Hi all, I have succesfully publishe a magazine in Ubuntu software center but is available only in 12.04... How can i make the magazine available not only in 12.04 ?\n mterry: ok. thank you! :D\n or rather, jump into #ubuntu-arb for a sec\n And ask yourself, since I'm not sure I'm going to ask it right\n is there any help ?\n Geochr: what mag and what distroseries do you want to make it availablef for?\n Geochr: we default to the latest, but you can request others in the feedback...if it's already published, I can make it available in other distroseries\n zoopster, the magazine called \"Ubuntistas\" and we want to be available and in other distroseries\n Geochr: which others? I can go back to maverick if you wish\n Geochr: I take that back...I can only go back to natty now since mav is eol\n ok from natty since prencise then\n Geochr: ok #14 is done (give it a bit to show up) and #13 will be when it passes qa on Monday\n Geochr: just put that request in the feedback when you submit\n zoopster, thanks a lot\n Anyone good with php programming please help me understand this code coz am stuck @ http://pastebin.com/3hAMaFVt\n#ubuntu-app-devel 2012-07-14\n Hello, I am using GtkEntry to get user input in my app. Is it possible to remember this input and set it to entrybox when the app is closed and launched again?\n The text field resets when the app is launched again.\n johhnn: how about saving the contents as a setting?\n How to do that? I am making app for the first time :)\n hmm, just a moment, I'll see if I can find some details for GTK (I'm using Qt myself)\n ok, it looks like a window has a 'delete-event' (that's how it's literally called in GTK)\n if you react on that by saving the setting, e.g. via the http://docs.python.org/library/configparser.html module if you're using python.\n and just read out the setting again when starting.\n I found a guide for gsettings --> http://www.micahcarrick.com/gsettings-python-gnome-3.html\n fine too\n yeah thanks for the link, i am reading it now :)\n The last approach is what gnome apps would typically do, but it looks like a bit more work to me (writing a scheme first). Just use whatever you prefer.\n commandoline: hey thanks configparser works like charm, feels like magic :)\n I'm using quickly and I'd like to have a list of things, what widget should I use?\n http://python-gtk-3-tutorial.readthedocs.org/en/latest/treeview.html I'd think (but I'm not a GTK dev myself)\n imnichol: ^\n Thanks commandoline\n any idea about how I can get rid of /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gi/overrides/Gtk.py:391: Warning: g_object_set_property: construct property \"type\" for object `Window' can't be set after construction\n Phoenix87: it's not in your project\n https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678510\n http://git.gnome.org/browse/pygobject/commit/?id=de4aa426002eeb09a060f8fd70bd6cb25a17766a\n Gnome bug 678510 in introspection \"g_object_set_property: construct property \"type\" for object `Window' can't be set after construction\" [Minor,Resolved: fixed]\n#ubuntu-app-devel 2013-07-08\n good morning all\n Cross compile LibzDb fro ARM A9 based Micro processor | http://askubuntu.com/q/317664\n good morning\n good morning dholbach\n hey oSoMoN\n Does qtdeclarative5-hud1.0 library present on 13.04 or 13.10 only? I'm getting the library from a ppa right now ppa:ubuntu-unity/daily-build-next -> but its strange without the ubuntu developer sdk and tools installed friends-app beta is running but when i installed the tools it wont run because of hud1.0 cant be found\n Oyez! Oyez! Good morning all and happy Town Crier Day! :-D\n alex-abreu: ubuntu-html5-theme was just accepted into saucy!\n alex-abreu: please check my latest changes, the autopilot tests are run in a firewalled environment so external content cannot be fetched\n alex-abreu: I believe a separate test html file is good and the normal index.html for when people want to test the app itself, but I had to disable that one test at least as long as no mockup content is provided (which seemed complicated)\n if anyone was using the Qt 5.1 beta1 packages from qt5-beta-proper PPA, I copied them now over to qt5-staging PPA (as a backup) and I'm starting Qt 5.1 final builds at qt5-beta-proper ASAP\n Laney: hey\n Laney: I answered in https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/crossfadeimage/+merge/170391\n hey Kaleo_, thanks\n Kaleo_: would you prefer I rename it back? I did that for consistency with animations but don't really mind\n Laney: yeah, I 'd rather\n sure\n Laney: oh, and I just pushed another commit to that branch which fixes the FIXME\n oh good!\n These weird behaviours are quite confusing\n Laney: so if you merge that branch, fix 15) & 16) and I guess some unit tests failures, we are good :)\n Laney: this last behaviour is indeed a badie\n Kaleo_: hey, would you have a moment to review https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/ubuntu-colors/+merge/173458 ?\n Kaleo_: The unit tests are indeed broken now and I don't understand why. :)\n Laney: currentImage.status is not the actualy status\n Laney: since currentImage != nextImage\n Laney: even though it really is the nextImage that is loading\n Laney: (that was my intuition anyway)\n it's the running property\n the test_duration one\n oSoMoN: it's good to go; however once the theme color palette lands (tomorrow), we should use that whenever possible\n Kaleo_: yes, so when that lands I\u00e2\u0080\u0099ll do another pass and talk to design to use as many theme colors as possible\n oSoMoN: great\n Kaleo_: what if I have the global status be set in onStatusChanged of both the Images?\n so it becomes the most recent status to be updated\n Laney: not very pretty\n I'm otherwise stuck with how to fix it\n other than going back to what I had before there\n Laney: best would be to have currentImage really be the current image\n Laney: ok, I'll have a look\n Laney: everything else good?\n seems so\n I'll push\n Laney: thanks\n done\n Kaleo_, or anyone else who has some investment in this. Would like to talk a bit about a component which handles scrolling for expanding SDK classes.\n [A\n l\n m\n Is there an official tools: format yet? I sont know which one to use.\n I installed the core apps on Kubuntu, how to launch them?\n xkernel: you should get them in whatever menu/app launcher KDE has\n mhall119, nope can't find them\n doesn't KDE use /usr/share/applications/*.desktop to list installed apps?\n xkernel: which apps did you install?\n mhall119, I installed all as mentioned here: http://developer.ubuntu.com/2013/07/join-the-ubuntu-touch-core-apps-development-team/\n xkernel: and you installed them using apt-get\n ?\n yeah\n do you have /usr/share/applications/ubuntu-calculator-app.desktop ?\n yeah found it thanks :)\n huh, I wonder why it's not in KDE's menus then\n#ubuntu-app-devel 2013-07-09\n When creating a Touch app in the Qt Creator; do I have to type all the QML scripts or is there a way for GUI designing?\n xkernel: you have to type it out currently, I think the Qt Designer still isn't working for Qt5/QML\n One of these days I'm going to make a QML app :|\n Then I'll join the circlejerk of phone developers\n Maybe I should get a phone\n mhall119, around?\n jono: about to head to sleep, got an early morning call tomorrow\n mhall119, np, we can chat tomorrow\n Hello. Reading the page http://developer.ubuntu.com/2013/02/releasing-the-ubuntu-touch-developer-preview-and-sdk-alpha/ and trying to determine what kind of tablet to get. from what I see, none of the supported ones have removable battery or a micro-sd slot.\n i wish one of them did\n HI\n So whats going down\n good morning\n morning\n I'm proposing a change to the ubuntu-sdk meta package so that people get lots and lots of new documentation inside the Qt Creator Help function https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.saucy.add_documentation/+merge/173659\n qtdeclarative5-doc is still missing from saucy archives, so didn't add that yet\n (pending someone sponsoring https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/ubuntu/saucy/qtdeclarative-opensource-src/merge_continued/+merge/173448)\n saucy users? could you try out Qt Creator (~test12) from ppa:timo-jyrinki/qt5-testing - smoke-testing - the only interesting thing is you see some difference compared to the ~test10 in SDK Release PPA (you shouldn't)\n I'm hoping to get that or something very similar to saucy archives now finally\n I asked jppiiroinen to test it as well but he's needing a saucy reinstall first\n Good morning all, happy Sugar Cookie Day! :-D\n oSoMoN, can you +1 this please since gusch is on vacation. https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/gallery-app/fix_test_run_devices/+merge/173573\n om26er: looking\n om26er: this was already fixed and merged at revision 771 in lp:gallery-app\n oSoMoN, ah,thanks. Its a bad day ;) I fixed test run for gallery and Chris already fixed it, I also add autopilot testing to address-book-app and seems ranato also propsed it :O\n :/\n I'm having a difficulty in the application intalled menu | http://askubuntu.com/q/318140\n Laney, https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/crossfadeimage/+merge/170391 has a fix\n kaleo: saw, will merge shortly\n Laney, cool\n kaleo: ah, cunning, why didn't I think of that? :P\n Laney, there is another way that does not require an extra variable\n Laney, but it would have meant some deeper changes\n Laney, no time for that :)\n heh, not sure I need to know ;-)\n * Laney builds\n Laney, merged! thanks a lot\n kaleo: woo! thank you for the reviews!\n om26er, ping\n renato_, pong\n om26er, what is the problem with my branch :D\n I like the make autpilot\n renato_, def launch_app(self, movie_file=None):\n + if os.path.realpath(__file__).startswith(\"/usr/\"):\n renato_, we can go with as it is now and I'll fix those things in another merge proposal, if you want\n and I like to be able to run the autopilot even if I have build the app in a diff directory\n renato_, that makes running tests difficult for someone who is running the testsuite for the first time\n om26er, I can use hardcode dir like you did \"local_location = \"../../src/imports/main.qml\"\" as a fall-back if the var was not found\n renato_, yes would be simpler\n om26er, why I need to do in a another merge proposal? why I can not fix mine?\n renato_, sure you can ;)\n ok\n Hi\n Hello :)\n om26er, MR fixed\n renato_, looking\n ?\n Guys what are the skills you should have when you wanna help tomorrow?\n renato_, the copyright headers need to be 2013 other than that LGTM\n mihahn, depends if you have knowledge of python you could help with writing tests, if you want to help in basic app development you need to know QML\n Why Java is not there for development of ubuntu phone? | http://askubuntu.com/q/318240\n @om26er I have basic python skills, but not much more. Maybe I will just be spectating... but that's why I love Ubuntu - the community. To work together for updates and discussing here is so great!\n btw how to name ppl here in freenode? ^^\n mihahn, see this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch\n Okay I know the site :)\n development desktop in ubuntu 12.04 | http://askubuntu.com/q/318243\n mhall119, who wants to play with gradient backgrounds?\n kaleo: nik90 does, I'm sure\n mhall119, cool\n nik90, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5859216/\n mhall119, do you know what apps need it?\n mhall119, the clock app for sure\n kaleo: the clock and calendar are the only ones with final Suru-style designs\n sorry, Clock and Calculator\n mhall119, ok\n mhall119, I'm never able to find dalius\n :(\n Weather and Calendar *might* use it, but until we get the final visual designs we won't know\n mhall119, ok\n kaleo: me me me :-)\n unfortunately dalius has stepped down from working on the Calculator, so we'll need to get someone else working on it\n mhall119, ok\n nik90, check out the link :)\n kaleo: How do we get it to use a specific toolkit version?\n nik90, you can compile it yourself\n nik90, bzr branch thebranch && cd thebranch && qmake && make && source export_modules_dir.sh\n nik90, then launch your app\n kaleo: how to revert the toolkit?\n nik90, or you can wait for launchpad to build an ubuntu package of the toolkit for which a link will appear in the merge request I sent you\n nik90, revert?\n kaleo: when I do qmake and source export.. etc. I start using your toolkit branch essentially. How do I go back to the original version of teh toolkit?\n nik90, just close the terminal\n nik90, all other terminals will use the system toolkit\n ah ok :) perfect. Will post screenshot when I finish :D\n nik90, cool\n kaleo: I get an error while compiling. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5859250/\n nik90, you need to have installed all the packages listed at the beginning of debian/contrl\n nik90, debian/control\n nik90, you are missing qtdeclarative5-private-dev,\n -,\n kaleo: will go through the list and install required packages\n kaleo: I am stuck since when I try to install a package it is conflicting with the version of it already installed on my system. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5859281/\n nik90, do apt-cache policy libqt5v8-5-dev\n kaleo: Installed: 5.0.2-3ubuntu1~raring1~test1 Candidate: 5.0.2-3ubuntu1~raring1~test1\n no idea where the raring came up from. I am running saucy\n I get similar error when trying to install qtdeclarative5-private-dev\n the *-private-dev cannot be installed because of this\n nik90, policy tells you where it comes from\n kaleo: It comes from saucy then based on output http://paste.ubuntu.com/5859289/\n nik90, and apt-cache policy libqt5v8-5-private-dev ?\n kaleo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5859295/\n ah I dont have that installed\n nik90, try the following\n nik90, sudo apt-get install libqt5v8-5-dev=5.0.2-3 libqt5v8-5-private-dev\n kaleo: nope same situation http://paste.ubuntu.com/5859304/\n if I install the package from your MP built by launchpad, will it automatically fix these dependency issues\n nik90, yes\n nik90, try\n sudo apt-get install libqt5v8-5-dev=5.0.2-3 libqt5v8-5-private-dev libqt5v8-5=5.0.2-3\n okay that allowed me to isntall those packages.\n Now I shall continue installing other packages from debian/control\n good\n kaleo: hitting the same issue qtdeclarative5-private-dev, tried your way of sudo apt-get install qtdeclarative-dev=5.0.2-2 qtdeclarative5-private-dev qtdeclarative5=5.0.2-2...but doesnt seem to find the package\n =5.0.2-3\n not 2\n kaleo: I tried that but it say version 5.0.2-3 does not exist for that package. I also tried 1,2,3\n om26er, thanks for the review, and sorry because of the duplicated work :D\n nik90, ok, what's the error message\n nik90, what's the dependency that cannot be installed?\n kaleo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5859337/\n renato_, np ;)\n nik90, do it without the versions please\n nik90, and paste the result\n kaleo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5859339/\n I noticed I typed qtdeclarative-dev instead of qtdeclarative5-dev in the last command, but then it complains that \"Unable to locate package qtdeclarative5\"\n nik90, sudo apt-get install qtdeclarative5-private-dev qtdeclarative5-dev=5.0.2-1ubuntu2\n nik90, you must have installed a PPA at some point\n nik90, that's messing up your Qt installe\n -e\n kaleo: true I get more warning than before stating the qt quick, quick particles etc are wrong\n I will wait for launchpad :)\n nik90, try this\n do the same apt-get with -f\n e.g.: sudo apt-get install -f qtdeclarativeblabla\n kaleo: doesnt work. same error. It is ignoring the force install parameter\n nik90, sorry, I asked you before I think, you are on saucy?\n kaleo, nik90: do you guys need help sorting that out?\n kaleo: yes on saucy\n upgraded from raring if that matters\n seb128: help welcome :)\n nik90, I'm guessing you have the qt5-proper PPA installed; sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/canonical-qt5-edgers-qt5-proper-raring.list*\n nik90, try sudo apt-get install qtdeclarative5-dev/saucy qtdeclarative5-private-dev/saucy\n nik90, then sudo apt-get update\n nik90, it does matter; that's the issue :)\n yes I do have the ppa installed\n nik90, we need to remove it\n seb128, thanks!\n yw ;-)\n nik90, disable the ppa anyway, or it will try to upgrade the packages using it again, it seems to raring packages in the ppa are newer than the saucy version\n seb128: ok\n nik90, let me know if the command I just gave work\n seb128: nope it did not work\n nik90, can you pastebin the error?\n seb128: so I removed the PPA adn then am updating\n sure\n seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5859365/\n nik90, ok, that's easy enough...\n nik90, dpkg -l | grep ~raring\n nik90, then you need to \"sudo apt-get install binary/saucy otherbinary/saucy yetanotherbinary/saucy\"\n where the \"binary/saucy\" list is all the binary the dpkg -l command listed\n seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5859371/\n or keep trying and add things that are listed in error\n seb128: that's a lot of packages to do \"sudo apt-get install binary/saucy otherbinary/saucy yetanotherbinary/saucy\"\n :)\n nik90, you can shell script if you like :p\n kaleo: seb128: I hope this is going to be easier once all the packages are built and published\n mhall119, they are\n so at the end of the day, does saucy need the qt5-proper PPA or not?\n mhall119, it's just that the PPA has incorrect versions of Qt\n nik90, no\n kaleo: mhall119: then the developer.ubuntu.com needs an update definitely\n http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/\n nik90, it does not talk about Saucy (13.10) :)\n kaleo: it does say \"a development release\" which is saucy\n Alternatively, for those using Ubuntu 13.04 or a development release:\n nik90, ah ah\n nik90, right\n kaleo: do we have package version conflicts between the saucy archives and the PPA?\n kaleo: would I need the sdk-ppa then?\n or shall i remove that as well\n mhall119, it kind of looks like it\n :/\n nik90, no\n nik90, saucy has everything\n ok\n timp, I am having problems with popover and keyboard, could you help me?\n kaleo, who can help me with a popover problem?\n renato_, timp can\n renato_, by keyboard you mean keyboard navigation?\n renato_, the best is to report the bug first\n renato_, send an email to timp with the link (I believe he is EOD)\n kaleo, no, the problem is that, just after the popover appear I ask the keyboard to dismiss, and then my item that is anchored to the popover moves but the popover does not follow it\n kaleo, do you know if there is a easy way to fix that?\n renato_, don't know\n renato_, definitely a bug\n ok I will report a bug\n renato_, thanks\n kaleo, can I assign it to timp?\n renato_, yes\n kaleo, ok thanks\n kaleo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1199502\n Ubuntu bug 1199502 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit \"[popover] Popover does not follow parent if it moves\" [Undecided,New]\n kaleo: I built ubuntu-ui-toolkit using your branch, having some trouble getting it to work with the gradient\n file:///home/mhall/projects/Ubuntu/sdk/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/modules/Ubuntu/Components/Button.qml:83: TypeError: Cannot read property 'defaultGradient' of null\n file:///home/mhall/projects/Ubuntu/sdk/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/modules/Ubuntu/Components/Button.qml:72: TypeError: Cannot read property 'defaultColor' of null\n file:///home/mhall/projects/Ubuntu/sdk/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/modules/Ubuntu/Components/Label.qml:59: TypeError: Cannot read property 'selected' of null\n is what I get when running qmlscene with -I to point to the ./modules/ folder of the branch\n mhall119, ./gallery.sh works?\n mhall119, (after qmake && make)\n kaleo: it works,but I don't see any gradient\n kaleo: my test app works fine too if I don't use:\n Component.onCompleted: Theme.name = \"Ubuntu.Components.Themes.AmbianceGradient\"\n I get the normal flat theme\n mhall119, did you use the pastebin?\n mhall119, did you set the properties on the MainView?\n http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5859216/ yes\n mhall119, what branch of the toolkit are you using?\n kaleo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5859559/ is my testing code\n kaleo: I'm using bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/ with bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~fboucault/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/dark_gradient_themes/ bzr merged on top\n mhall119, should work\n mhall119, did you do source export_modules_dir.sh ?\n no, didn't do that\n mhall119, what I told nik90 earlier: bzr branch thebranch && cd thebranch && qmake && make && source export_modules_dir.sh\n I gotta go though\n good luck\n ah ha, that did the trick,thanks kaleo\n mhall119: can you try those 4 line code in the clock app as well?\n I can give you the gradient color definitions\n nik90: sure, send them over\n header: 57365e\n body: a55263\n footer: d75669\n nik90: hmmm, the header disappears when I apply the theme\n kaleo: are Tabs supported yet?\n mhall119: you mean you can see Stopwatch, Timer and Alarm headers any more?\n mhall119: screenshot pls\n mhall119, yes\n mhall119, it works here :)\n http://ubuntuone.com/46klPt2Ofxct0F4d9OgOP4\n mhall119, can you share the patch?\n Hi all...\n mhall119: that is reminiscent of a bug I faced when the simple themeing infrastructure landed. However it was fixed the same day.\n kaleo: nik90: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5859611/ is the only change I made\n * nik90 think the clock looks like a glowing sun with the new background :-)\n nik90: kaleo: when I comment out just the Theme.name line, I get http://ubuntuone.com/5wDK1GChj6Su2ccDeyTffa\n mhall119, I can reproduce the issue\n mhall119, not sure if it's a bug with the app or the toolkit\n mhall119: did your test app have tab headers?\n mhall119, I have an idea of what the issue might be\n mhall119, I will look into it later\n I'm wondering if somebody can help me with a little bash code in a .sh file I'm making.\n nik90: it used PageStack, but it displayed the header: http://ubuntuone.com/0e1zEDG8vaAgMz1P8SEOEf\n mhall119, I have to go\n mhall119, nik90: it's very pretty though\n thanks kaleo, it's looking great\n kaleo: it is very pretty :)\n kaleo: thnx\n kaleo: looking forward to its merge\n and very easy to use\n mhall119: the test app looks great\n mhall119: although you wrote the code in the mainview, so it applies to all tabs. However I need different background gradient for different tabs\n hope that is supported as well\n nik90: the visual design had different gadients per tab? I don't think kaleo's changes will do that...\n I want a way that in bashcode I can check if a folder exists and then do some if it does.\n I'm writing a script for an app installer.\n mhall119: http://ubuntu-touch.blogspot.com/2013/07/clock-app-update-july-7th.html\n mhall119: check out the stoptwatch and timer background gradient\n nik90: they look the same\n mhall119: the clock background is different from the (stopwatch and timer)\n the two pictures you have under \"Visual designs\"?\n mhall119: basically the clock has a pinkish footer color while the timer and stopwatch have a more orangish footer color\n their gradients are the same\n look at http://ubuntuone.com/46klPt2Ofxct0F4d9OgOP4 and http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XFEE_1vaxYE/UdlfDshUE9I/AAAAAAAAB2U/LQtRqO9oul4/s1600/stopwatch_home.jpg\n side by side\n oh, mine is different from yours\n mhall119: yup.\n hey, I just used the hexcodes you gave me :)\n but each tab should have the same gradient, they won't be different\n mhall119: the think is I received the visual design in 2 parts\n mhall119: in each part, the background gradient is different\n I will be meeting with the designers this thursday hopefully. Will ask them there\n ok\n still, we're making progress!\n mhall119: yes :)\n mhall119: I am also looking forward to tomorrow's timezone meeting\n I know this isn't the best place to ask this. But how would I make a linux dist?\n#ubuntu-app-devel 2013-07-10\n kkkkkk\n good morning, and good job for Ubuntu core apps hack days\n i don't think they've started yet\n for my time zone, Italy, will begin at 11.00 am\n :|\n I wish my image viewer could replace shotwell\n But my image viewer is too hardcore.\n good morning\n good morning all\n Is anyone else having issues with clock app in qmlscene?\n Hi all! I did a patch for new event in Calendar app, and I worked side by side with Kunal to did it. Unfortunately in those days Kunal is very busy, so he said me to ask here if someone can review my merge request: https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-calendar-app/1193090/+merge/170957\n Good morning all, happy Don't Step On A Bee Day! :-D\n (Uops, I'm in advance of about ten minutes, I hate UTC :-/)\n I'm new in Qml/Qt\n I need a quick quide\n hi Nasreddine\n Nasreddine, developer.ubuntu.com\n yeah, we have a getting started guide on that site\n and a simple tutorial there too\n there's also a lot of info on the upstream qt digia website\n thanks popey, I have seen these tutotials\n I have a question about Right-To-Left apps, Is it supported in the current version of the SDK ?\n I don't think so, bzoltan\n ?\n Nasreddine, translations themselves should be supported, although we haven't tested them yet\n Nasreddine, however shifting UI elements to the other side is not yet implemented as far as I know\n so, not RTL layout till now\n I'll see the translation\n Nasreddine, yeah, if you could help with the testing for translations, that'd be awesome\n I'll try, in fact I'm a developer, I want to build some apps in Arabic language\n awesome!\n what about changing used font in the app\n dpm: did you see we tried to enable translations for all core apps then got a bit stuck in lp config?\n ?\n dpm: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps the ones on the right..\n mhall119: thought we may have to generate pot files for them??\n bummer, I cannot change the channel's topic\n Hi all! I did a patch for new event in Calendar app, and I worked side by side with Kunal to did it. Unfortunately in those days Kunal is very busy, so he said me to ask here if someone can review my merge request: https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-calendar-app/1193090/+merge/170957\n WebbyIT, oh wow, thanks a lot! We'll get someone to review it. oSoMoN, do you think you might have some time to review this MP? ^^\n popey, where exactly did you get stuck in LP? Did you follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Translations ?\n dpm, WebbyIT: sure, I\u00e2\u0080\u0099ll try to review it today\n nope\n \u00e2\u0098\u00bb\n oSoMoN, dpm thanks :)\n set the global settings..\n popey, so not it's your chance to road test the instructions :)\n *now\n oof\n ok\n that's excellent, 15 mins into the hackfest and we get our first merge proposal :)\n * popey does it now for terminal\n haha, excellent\n popey, let me know if you get stuck and if I can help. The part on configuring Launchpad on the instructions should be good to go, but the part on internationalizing the code is a bit more complex and will take me some more time\n dpm: ok, found a problem\n step 4 of Series-specific settings\n https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-terminal-app/trunk\n \"Click on the Change synchronization settings link in the Automatic synchronization section\"\n I see no \"change synchronization\"\n * dpm tries\n * dpm fixes\n we should be keeping a track of these things we're fixing in the hackday for later reporting\n * popey makes a doc\n popey, fixed it, thanks! -> the link to click on is \"Set up branch synchronization\"\n good idea\n done, added you to the doc and mhall119 and jono\n lets try and keep it updated as we go\n popey, cool, jono will just love another google doc ;)\n * dpm thinks it's a good idea to keep track of the activities and report them\n ok, done terminal app as per your instructions, can you check it's okay please?\n and I'll do the others\n if i open calendar-app in the menu the translation for german are too long: http://ubuntuone.com/2kxGeCLQGDEtLMTnvka7Qh is this a known bug, because its in all translated core-app\n hello\n hello andricorso\n which have a menu\n UbuPhillup: not a known bug that I'm aware of\n hello all :)\n hi thor_\n hello\n hi\n hello, people\n popey: so shoud i report it?\n anybody here ?????\n UbuPhillup: please do!\n rahulmahamna: lots\n jalkjflkajfl\n hi thor_, Owlree UbuPhillup and everyone else! Welcome to the calendar hackfest!\n hi\n good morning Mirv, do you think you could help thor_ with some issues installing the SDK on 13.04? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5861100/\n popey, do you have the link to the upstream bug you filed for qmlscene not loading on Virtualbox handy?\n i do\n i have it permanently open, hoping one day someone will fix it\n https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-32225\n popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1199699\n Ubuntu bug 1199699 in Ubuntu Clock App \"German translation in the menu needs more space\" [Undecided,New]\n thank you UbuPhillup\n oSoMoN, sorry for keep adding to your TODO, I guess we'll be pinging you more today during the Calendar hack day. When you've got some time, it'd also be great if you could look at https://code.launchpad.net/~pkunal-parmar/ubuntu-calendar-app/yearview/+merge/173743\n dpm: yeah, will do\n dpm: initially it sounds like not everything would have been updated\n I'm checking how does my raring chroot look like\n all up-to-date, qtcreator starts fine\n dpm: thor_: I don't directly know what could be wrong, so it'd need some tinkering to try to find what's the issue. among else dpkg -l *qt* | grep 5.0.1 should only show qtwebkit packages\n that error message occurs if some of the libraries that Qt doesn't allow to be different version, is different version, and specifically says some library would be 5.0.1 while others 5.0.2\n dpkg -l qtcreator | cat should give 2.7.1-0ubuntu1~raring1~test10 as the Qt Creator version\n @Mirv : i purged all qt4* and libqt5* packages, reinstalled ubuntu-sdk and it worked\n thanks\n thor_: hmmkay :P good that you found a solution.\n My second mr for calendar app: https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-calendar-app/1198652/+merge/173901 (I did today my last exam, so now I have a lot of free time for utouch) :D\n WebbyIT, excellent, thanks!\n WebbyIT, glad to hear that, your help on calendar is much welcome :-)\n dpm: i don't know if you remember, but i started to collaborate about two months ago, unfortunately university takes me a lot of time, so i didn't do much, but now i will recover the time lost :)\n WebbyIT, I do remember, glad to have you back!\n popey, do you want to join #qt-labs? We might be getting some traction on the Virtualbox qmlscene bug\n and they have some questions\n dpm: did you see above, translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps - I did terminal but it's still on the right, not on the left?\n popey, that's probably because we don't have a po/ubuntu-terminal-app.pot file committed to the branch. It's relatively easy to get, but it takes a bit more work to document. I'll see if I can finish the documentation today\n ok, shall I setup the others?\n popey, sure, it makes sense, if you want to, go for it!\n ok, will do\n gg\n lk\n ls\n hey guys\n is here a discoussion started?... or just finished?...\n ytuhejdj, we're here to help everyone get started, so if you've got any questions or need any help just let us know\n well, too late\n dpm QTC seems broken in 12.04\n I can enable ssh to the device\n Mirv, any ideas about what could be going on with QtC on 12.04? ^^\n popey, we're also not building the core apps packages for 12.04 in the daily PPA. Do you know whether there was any particular reason why we're not doing it? Shall we just enable 12.04 builds?\n 12.04 is still the desktop that most people are sticking too outside Ubuntu contributos\n we should make sure the SDK just works for 12.04\n dpm: we can try to test them on 12.04, for sure.\n * victorp thanks the touch terminal developer\n :)\n dpm: I haven't tested, jppiiroinen may have (the latest Qt Creator precise upgrade was done during my vacation)\n popey, yeah, I think it'd make sense to enable the 12.04 builds, as I've already seen 2 comments where people were asking for it. Do you want to have a look at enabling those builds, or do you want me to do it?\n for core apps we need to speak to fginther\n for collection we don't.\n jppiiroinen, could you help victorp with his QtC issue on 12.04?\n victorp, you mention SSH not working on QtC. Is that it, or do you have other issues with it?\n dpm - I have worked aroud it by installing ssh manually\n dpm - enabling developer mode fails\n oh actually\n interesting\n I had the same problem on 13.04\n I thought it was a glitch\n hmm\n you get a log in qtcreator\n and did the same as you\n be good to get that\n well, console output in a window\n i.e. manual installation of openssh-server\n i run precise myself here\n popey, gotcha. Why do we need to talk to fginther? Because we need to add Jenkins jobs?\n it would be interesting to see what happened, as if there was some temporary issue with package management etc on the device\n jppiiroinen, next time it happens to me on 13.04 I'll report a bug. IIRC, the issue on the QtC connection log was that openssh-server could not be installed, so there wasn't much I could debug from that. But I think you're right in that it might point to a packaging management issue\n yes\n i have a clean precise VM, I could test qtcreator there (assuming it will see my phone over USB)\n * popey tests\n doing the same here with my n7\n So my test plan is. Boot clean VM, follow qtcreator install instructions from developer.ubuntu.com, plug phone in, enable developer mode, right?\n popey: im starting from phablet-flash\n ok, will do that too,\n tmoenicke, so the real keyboard is nemo-keyboard package ?\n I start the maliit-server from terminal and a transparent window appears on my desktop\n bah, virtualbox can't see my tablet\n * popey tries other things\n om26er: no. maliit-keyboard and maliit-keyboard-data\n tmoenicke, so I just figured and maliit-keyboard is not build for any other architecture than armhf\n om26er: yep\n tmoenicke, I build it on i386 and installed it. now maliit-server crashed with: open /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libpinyin/data/pinyin_index.bin failed!\n is there a way to build without pinyin support ?\n om26er: can you install libpinyin?\n tmoenicke, yes its installed, but I think the maliit-keyboard is hardcoded to use libpinyin from the arm dir ?\n FWIW /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpinyin/data/pinyin_index.bin does exist. its just the maliit-server is looking in the wrong dir :/\n hi, is there already calendar-app hacking going on? :)\n hi again does any DatePicker component exist in the available components?\n hey denisw sure\n unfortunately i don't have the time to help out currently (I have a bachelor thesis to write), but I hope this will change in the future\n i'm very excited about a set of core apps directly from the ubuntu community, especially if they will scale to the desktop eventually\n How much more do you have to go on your thesis?\n i'll probably be done at the beginning of september\n Cool, then you'll definitely have time to jump in before 14.04.\n yeah, that would be great\n are there any plans to make the apps desktop-ready in the 14.04 cycle?\n (or rather, more pleasant on the desktop, given that they already run on standard ubuntu)\n There's been recent work on the conditional layouts, so I'd imagine it will be possible.\n cool. is there already already an app using conditional layouting, or has only infrastructure work been done for now?\n A question: when I propose a merge, have I to change the bug status in Fix Commited or have to leave In Progress?\n I know today is about the Calendar, but I'm trying to get up and running with helping with the Music app. Anyone here who can bring me up to speed with the music app?\n WebbyIT: in progress until it lands, then it's fix committed/fix released\n popey: ok, thanks\n popey: i was able to enable the developer mode on my workstation, i will do next a full bootstrap flashing\n jppiiroinen: still installing bits here, it's a precise install on a usb stick\n dpm: the best tip for victorp is to remove the openssh-server manually and try to re-enable the developer mode\n and also to make sure that he has the latest device image\n popey, joining the music app call?\n ah\n i don't have hangout capability because my laptop is booted to precise on a usb stick\n can't install debs right now as it's mid install qtcreator and friends\n Mirv: jppiiroinen ok, first issue after install sdk on a clean precise install... http://paste.ubuntu.com/5861669/\n looks like adb permissions issue\n ya, sudo adb works around it\n Mirv: jppiiroinen problem is /usr/share/qtcreator/scripts/device_search then kills the adb server and restarts as non-root\n popey, no worries. I just talked to Daniel Holm about getting the scanning functionality in shape to get the music app in the default images and the hackfest. He's going to be there tomorrow\n ta\n hello hello\n how's the hack day going?\n hey mhall119\n we had a branch submitted\n \\o/\n and Kunal worked on prototypes for the week and year view. He's not here today, but he prepared it for the hackfest in advance\n he's a rockstar\n mhall119: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-terminal-app/+bug/1199461\n Ubuntu bug 1199461 in Ubuntu Terminal App \"The app is not translatable\" [Undecided,In progress]\n UbuPhillup: look at popey go!\n * popey is currently working on making sure sdk works out of the box on precise \n When does the calendar event happen?\n Calendar hack a-thon\n dpm: wow, kunal did all of that work just recently?\n HeavenlyGamesBos: happening now\n HeavenlyGamesBos: what do you want to get started with?\n mhall119, yeah, check out the e-mail he sent us, he's awesome\n stupid irc\n dpm: can we get those new changes merged?\n hey all\n hi ho jono\n hey UbuPhillup :-)\n dpm, mhall119 how is the hackfest coming? I see some branches :-)\n Where can I find a tutorial/documentation about autopilot test?\n balloons: ^^\n WebbyIT, you can find the information on developer.ubuntu.com. Let me get you the link: http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/cookbook/mobile/how-to-write-autopilot-tests/\n jono: I'm looking over the MPs now, Kunal did some great work on the UI for the new designs\n mhall119, yeah I saw the vid, has that landed?\n not yet\n thanks balloons :)\n do you think that create event popup in calender app will be changed?? or will be modified??\n your most welcome WebbyIT. Once you've finished with that, let me know and I can help you look at writing your first autopilot test :-)\n Aviral: it might be,why?\n actually it lokks a bit old fasioned\n balloons: ok, thanks :) I'll ping you in the evening :)\n the ui of calender app is very nice and ui of the pop up looks a bit odd\n Aviral: there a different look on http://design.canonical.com/2013/06/solving-multiple-calendar-views/\n jono, yeah, WebbyIT is keen to help with the Calendar app and has already sent 2 merge proposals too\n awesome\n mhall119: ya now it looks awesome :)\n bfiller, did we have a mentor from your team for the weather app? With so many apps I'm losing track\n popey: afaik, that was a workaround for some other bug with adb\n wow WebbyIT is on fire, I just saw another merge proposal from him, now for the weather app!\n balloons: I'm getting an error trying ot run autopilot on the calendar\n File \"/home/mhall/projects/Ubuntu/sdk/pure-qml/ubuntu-calendar-app/tests/autopilot/calendar_app/tests/__init__.py\", line 12, in \n from autopilot.input import Mouse, Touch, Pointer\n ImportError: No module named input\n mhall119, I'm guessing your didn't install autopilot from the ppa\n sudo apt-add-repository ppa:autopilot/ppa\n sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install libautopilot-qt python-autopilot\n ah, yeah, probably not\n :-) It needs the newer 1.3 version which isn't in the archive\n why not?\n well it launched well afterwards, but that's how they want to handle it.. leave the version of autopilot that shipped with the release in the release\n so saucy has 1.3, raring does not for instance\n well I guess your on saucy.. so hmm.. let's check\n dpm: I think weather was gusch but need to check\n dpm: and here another one for clock :) Very small, but there is an open bug https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-clock-app/1191291\n WebbyIT: you are rocking it today!\n mhall119: oh, thanks :) I just finish my exams, so i have a lot of free time\n is there a way to run ticker app not on port 8080? I can't access it\n ticker app?\n the stock ticker?\n balloons mhall119 yes, the stock ticker\n what does it use port 8080 for?\n I'm confused\n mhall119: i don't understand, it's looking for ttp://www.surgemcgee.com:8080/?f=sabl1vpghojkc8dre7j1n&s=yhoo\n * http://www.surgemcgee.com:8080/?f=sabl1vpghojkc8dre7j1n&s=yhoo\n mhall119: because i cannot access to it remains endlessly turning circle on startup\n oh....yeah, yeah can't have that\n surgemcgee_: there's a server-side component for the stock ticker?\n Yes, I even published a npm module for it https://npmjs.org/package/apache-log\n That code is antiquated as well. Do not use.\n BTW, not being able to use it I have created an error message, more userfriendly https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/stock-ticker-mobile-app/error-dialog/+merge/173977\n hey WebbyIT I will review your mp for the clock app in another hour or so?\n will u be online then?\n nik90|Mobile2: np, when you have time :) Yes, for next 5-6 hour i'll be available\n thanks a lot for it\n Ok, I will take a lokk at it.\n awesome\n nik90|Mobile2: if you prefer I'll be available also in next days\n this weekend?\n nik90|Mobile2: yes, also\n surgemcgee_: where is the code for the server-side component?\n I work during the day..so am very busy with that. however when I get home I am free :)\n I wasn't sure if I sure ptu it publis\n I wasn't sure if I sure put it public*\n perfect WebbyIT. thanks for the support. It is very much appreciated at this crucial stage.\n surgemcgee_: since the stock ticker is in the core apps now, we should try and get the server-side piece running on Canonical's servers\n nik90|Mobile2: thanks you for your time\n Cool, can I admin?\n I am quilifies.\n I am quilified.* Jeesh (speeling)\n mhall119, nik90, bug of disappearing tabs fixed\n mhall119, nik90, now I want a cute screenshot :)\n kaleo: \\o.\n was it a bug in the SDK or Clock?\n mhall119, sdk\n mhall119, you need to pull from the dark_gradient_themes branch\n mhall119 can u\n kaleo: same branch as yesterday?\n mhall119, yes\n ok\n Has anyone got any thoughts regarding the spining loaders at the app start up which rely on a internet connection?\n I was tempted to put \"loading...\" text into the listviews with a error message if the conection was un-successfull.\n kaleo: nik90: http://ubuntuone.com/0ga6FiDINrvXJtzs71LfIi\n mhall119, nice\n mhall119: u joinging hangout?\n nik90: finishing up a calendar backend call, I'll join when I can, but don't wait on me\n kaleo, so I've done two additional components for the SDK.\n A generic expandable item which is now used in the OptionSelector too.\n and am now working on a ScrollingContainer which will be used hand in hand for that.\n Any suggestions for another name are welcomed too...\n nic-doffay, sounds ok\n Hey there, may I ask if a whatsapp app is in scope of the developement? Matthias Gehre wrote first implementation and even held a presentation about it, but this project was discontinued.\n Or do you want the whatsapp devs to handle this by their own?\n limurx, https://answers.launchpad.net/whosthere/+question/231055\n limurx: the whosthere app required a hack to get an auth token, which was unsustainable\n and whatsapp wasn't agreeable to working together with us to come up with a more official solution\n Thanks for your answers. Sad news, gotta hope the Ubuntu Phone gets too popular to ignore\n limurx: you can help by asking the whatsapp developers to support it :)\n mhall119: You bet! (Or the people start using a more open technology like WebRTC till then)\n hello, is this thing up and running yet?\n raptur: if you mean the hack day, yes\n thanks michael\n WebbyIT: you there?\n nik90: yap\n we can discuss your MP.\n nik90: this one? ListItems.Subtitled { id: timePickerButton text: qsTr(\"Time\") subText: Qt.formatTime(selectedDateTime, qsTr(\"hh:mm\")) anchors { left: parent.left right: parent.right } visible: timeModeSelector.selectedIndex !== 0 onClic\n Sorry, bad paste :-/\n https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-clock-app/1191291\n yes I was referring to it\n First of all, I do not think that the bug report is valid in the first place.\n I had a meeting with the platform developers and mhall\n They believe that QDate() will get the timezone of the system.\n So I am not sure why this was reported in the first place as a bug.\n problem is in the code: first pick up the time with Date (that get right timezone) and after sums the difference with UTC, so it's become UTC\n this bug was reported before that code was merged into trunk\n the line you are referring to\n Although I do agree to your logic that the diff is messing stuff up\n but the diff is necessary to allow the user to set a world city as his current location\n so, is necessary to check if city and timezone are the same?\n so I am guessing we might need a if loop or something which allows other cities to be set as the current location or take the timezone from the system\n WebbyIT: yeah I guess so. Although I am not sure how to do that\n nik90: gotcha. I have to think on it, it's not simply\n WebbyIT: I am actually a bit confused as well\n WebbyIT: We have to first consider both cases. I will try to put this into a google docs and share it with you.\n nik90: great\n kaleo: can we expect your dark-gradients branch to land by this week end?\n nik90: thanks for your availabilty :)\n nik90, yes\n kaleo: awesome, thnx.\n WebbyIT: no. thank you for helping :)\n thank you both for being awesome :)\n \\o/\n ;)\n Anyone interested in participating in the whole clock, world clock can take a look at https://docs.google.com/document/d/10f7sU1POjFWc1y1afiV3IynJxDQartyFsXcpexI--7w/edit?usp=sharing\n quit\n what's going on here?\n hi MadTux\n MadTux: how are you interested in getting involved?\n Have to go now\n So no ;)\n So what exactly happens on htis channel, is it only for the hack days, or is it for all Ubuntu applications development based stuff?\n zeokila: this channel is always here, for any kind of app development on Ubuntu\n we're just using it as a place to gather for the Core Apps hack days\n Ok, thanks\n no problem\n did you want to get involved with one of the core apps?\n Well maybe not just yet, I've actually started developing a non-core app\n nik90, the AnimationContainer class is odd, weird and unexpected\n nik90, can we remove it? what's its use?\n zeokila: oh? what does it do?\n nik90, (if you need to have scrollable content you should use http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qml-qtquick2-flickable.html)\n kaleo: It provides the swipe up/down animation\n nik90, what is that animation?\n kaleo: in the clock app, you can swipe up to show more options. It does indeed work like a flickable\n kaleo: but at that time, we had some issues implementing the flickable. May be I should give it a try again\n mhall119, it's going to be (if I manage) an eBook reader, but I'm pretty much new to QML, and have no C++ experience (though I have knowlege in other languages) so I'm going to have quite a lot to learn, which is great, build and learn :D https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-read/\n nik90, definitely\n nik90, especially because the swipe behaviour is behaving oddly\n kaleo: what do you mean by behaving oddly?\n nik90, it gets stuck\n I had renato_ 's help in implementing it\n zeokila: nice! I've been wanting an ebook reader, now I don't have to write it myself :)\n nik90, and it does not bounce like usual\n nik90, well renato_ did not do his best :)\n kaleo: yes it does not bounce.\n nik90, oh, and if you don't use a Flickable the content might not be clipped correctly by the header with the gradient\n nik90, with the new gradient background\n kaleo: alrite, I will change that to a flickable\n nik90, thanks!\n haha, well lets hope I manage to develop it ;)\n nik90, less code makes me happy :)\n kaleo: :)\n zeokila: make you you talk about it on a blog, Google+, and elsewhere, you'll probably find other interested developers\n kaleo: I already have 2-3 local branches doing just that.\n mhall119: good idea, though I think maybe I should get the core functionality starting before?\n FYI, there's also a PDF renderer available that was created for the ubuntu-docviewer-app project on Launchpad\n zeokila: I'd say promote it as soon as you have even enough for a screenshot\n mhall119: oh, well I might do that now then ^^ though how do I make it so others find it, hashtags (for g+)?\n zeokila: post it to https://plus.google.com/communities/111350780270925540549\n mhall119: thanks :) also, thanks for your tutorials, they helped kickstart me a lot :D\n zeokila: glad they're useful\n kaleo: is there a way to change the color of a transparent button? When I used the transparent color, the text is white and hence not visible.\n kaleo: I meant change the *text color* of transparent button\n nik90, where do you use that kind of button?\n kaleo: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XFEE_1vaxYE/UdlfDshUE9I/AAAAAAAAB2U/LQtRqO9oul4/s1600/stopwatch_home.jpg\n because of this I am currently defining a lable and an image within the button to change the color of the label myself\n nik90, for now you should use AbstractButton and layout an icon and a label\n nik90, for the colors of both you should use Theme.palette.normal.backgroundText\n kaleo: ok. This shouldnt be an issue once the backgrounds lands. THe text will then become visible\n Qt creator HTML5 project -lsqlite3 | http://askubuntu.com/q/318666\n Why is the libindicator reporting all scroll event signals as UP? | http://askubuntu.com/q/318697\n oh look a bug I confirmed and isnt fixed \u00e2\u0098\u00b9\n#ubuntu-app-devel 2013-07-11\n package development tools | http://askubuntu.com/q/318794\n Hello\n Does anybody know how can I add something to the mail notification icon in ubuntu?\n odraencode: Are you talking the web api?\n Luke_1: No, this thing http://i.imgur.com/WwzywtZ.png\n The mail icon.\n My mail icon has a gmail icon in it. I thought I could somehow add another site to it.\n good morning\n good morning all\n good morning dholbach\n hey dpm\n hmm, i need to change the topic\n Good morning all, happy World Population Day! :-D\n hello!\n Are unity webapps supported in the current touch images?\n janimo`: it's not installed by default as far as I can see\n popey, is there another blessed way to support HTML5 then?\n The public facing sites advertise this quite prominently and I was wondering if it's something new or unity webapps\n https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/cg-web-apps\n i see plans\n popey, thanks.\n np\n* popey changed the topic of #ubuntu-app-devel to: http://developer.ubuntu.com | App development on Ubuntu: how to do it & how to make it better | HackDays! http://bit.ly/12Ux0vM | Thu 11th July is Music App HackDay! http://bit.ly/1dlImKS\n* popey changed the topic of #ubuntu-app-devel to: http://developer.ubuntu.com | App development on Ubuntu: how to do it & how to make it better | HackDays! http://bit.ly/12Ux0vM | Thu 11th July is Music App HackDay! http://bit.ly/1dlImKS | Music App Bugs: http://bit.ly/13CU45a | Music App Blueprint: http://bit.ly/1bqJsa3\n tmoenicke, Hey\n tmoenicke, I have found that the introspection broke with the update to maliit 0.99. it works fine with 0.94\n om26er: dbus?\n so i have a problem setting up Ubuntu SDK, the \"run\", \"start debugging\" and \"build project buttons in the lower left corner is grayed out. this is not the case in my normal Qt Creator. Anyone know what this is about?\n kempe, have you tried this? -> http://askubuntu.com/questions/259719/qt-quick-ui-templates-missing-from-qt-creators-new-file-or-project-dialog\n Hi, I'm developing an application and put all my files into /opt/ (because of cross-platform compatibility) and I'd like to put icons there too. Problem is that when setting icon-path I'm only able to specify one icon filename. But then the icon is the same for ambiance and radiance themes, I'd like to distinguish between dark and light icon theme. How do I do that?\n Mirv, I've got a bunch of Qt 4 packages installed on my 13.04 laptop. I'm not using them, so I'm wondering if you know of an easy way to remove them. Is there a metapackage that I can use to remove them app?\n vl4kn0, can you not specify an absolute path in the icon path?\n dpm: yes I do that, I only specify icon-ubuntu in the icon path and then I can specify icon-theme-path, that's where I specify absolute path to the icon theme (directory where the icons are stored)\n dpm: libqtcore4 should help, assuming you don't have Qt apps. if just the dev stuff, maybe libqt4-dev would be enough\n vl4kn0, can you paste your .desktop file somewhere? it might be easier to follow if someone can help you\n Can i use the ubuntu-sdk on a vbox ubuntu guest machine? When I ran the code it only shows black screen. Could someone help me?\n dpm: well of course you have Qt4 apps, not just Qt5, so try the dev package\n Mirv, I'll try that. I only have Qt 5 apps, basically those I've created with the Ubuntu SDK, I'm not using Qt4\n dpm: apt-get remove libqt4-dev libqt4-dev-bin qt4-dev-tools qt4-qmake\n caersith, unfortunately it seems that it's not possible to do that due to a bug in Qt, let me give you the link to provide some more context\n I see. I'm waiting for the link\n caersith, here you go: https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-32225\n dpm: trying to remove libqtcore4 removes ubuntu-desktop, since we have accounts/u1/sso using it in default install. but that apt-get remove line above should get a rid of most of the normal development stuff.\n thanks for the link\n np ;)\n obviously, I've been playing too much with the Ubuntu Touch images. I was just prompted to input my password on my laptop and I just typed: \"phablet\"\n hah\n :)\n dpm, Yes that was my first problem that i did not have ubuntu in new project, s\u00c3\u00a5 i did that and i also aded Desktop-Qt 5.0.2 under build & run -> kit. but it wouldent help\n dpm: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5864850/\n kempe, ah, in that case, if you don't have Ubuntu in your Qt Creator, it's because you're starting the plain Qt Creator without Ubuntu integration. Try to type \"ubuntu sdk\" in the dash, and click on the Qt Creator icon that has a small embedded Ubuntu icon\n vl4kn0, I see. Hm, unfortunately I don't think I can help, I don't know much about switching themes. If no one on the channel can help right now, you might want to ask on Ask Ubuntu: http://askubuntu.com/questions/ask?tags=application-development\n dpm: that's all right, thanks anyway\n np :)\n dpm, No i'm starting Ubuntu SDK but first after installation i did not have ubuntu category under new project but after following the ask ubuntu answer and added the right qmake that was solved. My problem now is that i cant launch, build or debug\n Mirv, that apt line looks fine. It also wants to remove libsignon-glib-dev signond-dev, but I guess it's fine to delete them\n hm, I'm out of ideas, then. Mirv, do you have any ideas to help kempe to get Qt Creator's run button working? ^^\n yay, the music app just found my music after yesterday's fix was landed!\n yeah, i played with it last night\n hm, unfortunately, it won't play the MP3 in there :/\n couldn't wait so I did a bzr branch of trunk and built my own packages\n it plays here\n well, did last night\n * dpm looks at command line output\n aha, missing mp3 gstreamer connector\n err *plugin\n dpm, :) thanks anyway\n hmm how come?\n it plays here with todays image\n that's what I get on my desktop:\n Warning: \"No decoder available for type 'audio/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)1, mpegaudioversion=(int)1, layer=(int)3, rate=(int)44100, channels=(int)2, parsed=(boolean)true'.\"\n Error: \"Your GStreamer installation is missing a plug-in.\"\n oh, desktop\n works on the device \u00e2\u0098\u00bb\n the package probably needs an extra dependency to play on the desktop\n * dpm tries to find out which one\n nik90, hey\n nik90, I don't remember, did you test the toolkit's gradient theme branch by building it yourself or using the packages provided by jenkins in the merge request?\n kaleo I tried building it myself\n Jenkins package was not available then\n nik90|Mobile, ok, thanks\n dpm: I thought it was my Qt 5.1 experiments, but I see it on saucy default Qt as well. qmlscene works externally just fine. I wonder if it's related to last night's qtdeclarative upload, which added documentation and two patches required by the SDK Team\n dpm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtdeclarative-opensource-src/+bug/1198830 this bug got fixed\n Ubuntu bug 1198830 in qtdeclarative-opensource-src (Ubuntu) \"QML Text Component ignores alpha component of color property \" [Undecided,Fix released]\n kaleo: it's possible the backported patches cause problems\n Mirv, hmmm, unlikely\n Mirv, what's the issue?\n kaleo: yeah, so I'd say as well looking at them, I'm just puzzled\n Mirv, I'm not sure I follow. What issue is that bug related to?\n kaleo: dpm and me are seeing non-working \"Run\" button in Qt Creator today, even though qmlscene works otherwise fine\n dpm: something completely unrelated to qmlscene..\n ok\n Mirv, yeah, that's unrelated to the patches :)\n Mirv, but it could be related to the upload itself\n Mirv, or the removal of qmlrunner\n Mirv, did you ask bzoltan1 and jppiiroinen?\n Mirv, do you have a bug report?\n kaleo: well the qmlrunner wasn't installed on desktop for anyone (or hardly on device either). no bug report, dpm just noticed it.\n dpm, bug repooooooooort :)\n it might be something completely else as well. as I said, I had Qt 5.1 installed myself today when I noticed the problem.\n kaleo, I would have, but I'm actually not the one experiencing the issue :)\n dpm, ah yeah, who is it?\n hmm, hold on a second\n dpm, you still can :)\n dpm: I thought it was you :)\n dpm, (unless you are really not able to reproduce it of course)\n kempe, we think you might have stumbled upon a bug on Qt Creator. Would you mind reporting your issue here? -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qtcreator-plugins/+filebug\n I'm running Qt 5.1 beta1 now, just a second :D\n I'm not able to reproduce it on my 13.04 system, but I can try on my 13.10 pc\n dpm: yeah it's saucy or nothing\n looks like the title of a song\n I \"finely\" reverted from Qt 5.1 final to Qt 5.1 beta1, which obviously doesn't help much\n dpm: ok correction, I don't have the problem on normal saucy\n dpm: so the normal instructions could apply, try resetting QtC configuration\n dpm: or in this case, check that you aren't using qt5-beta-proper / qt5-staging PPA:s which have Qt 5.1 stuff\n kaleo: so, no problem after all\n ok, thanks Mirv. Unfortunately, the original reporter is no longer here. In any case, where are the instructions on how to reset the QtC configuration?\n popey, ok, I just needed to install gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 to get the music app to play music on the desktop\n it works! \\m/\n yay\n we're on the road to get it installed in the default images, it seems :)\n dpm, yeah of course but as always when i'm trying to report a bug i don't really know what to include.. but i will atleast create on\n kempe, just explaining what you did as in the previous conversation would be really good. Add which Ubuntu version you're using and how you installed the Ubuntu SDK (e.g. with the instructions on developer.ubuntu.com/get-started)\n nik90, mhall119: the theme name won't be Ubuntu.Components.Themes.AmbianceGradient but Ubuntu.Components.Themes.SuruGradient\n popey, you mentioned you wanted to add instructions to the wiki on how to load music to the device to test the music app. Have you had the chance to look into it?\n nik90, mhall119: the whole thing is landing tomorrow.\n kaleo: what else will be different about it?\n awesome!\n mhall119, nothing\n mhall119, to follow progress: https://code.launchpad.net/~fboucault/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/background_gradient_api/+merge/174027\n kaleo: seems overkill to have a whole new theme just to add gradient support\n mhall119, ah ah\n dpm: good point, not yet, will do\n mhall119, there are a lot of differences\n mhall119, that's why it took so long\n mhall119, nearly every color is different\n but currently I dont specify anywhere what theme I am using\n mhall119, and every shadow too\n nik90|Mobile, you were doing Theme.name = \"Ubuntu.Components.Themes.AmbianceGradient\"\n does it do that automatically though?\n since I dont remember adding that code\n nik90|Mobile, you did\n nik90|Mobile, I gave it to you\n kaleo: ah, gotcha\n mhall119, thankfully the new themes are very very light\n mhall119, thanks to the new Theme color palette infrastructure developed\n mhall119, anyway, that was a long piece of work\n kaleo: will individual apps be able to supply their own theme?\n and can they sub-class one of ours to do so?\n tmoenicke: /usr/lib/*/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/TextField.qml\n oSoMoN: thx\n mhall119, no, they should not\n mhall119, any use case you have?\n https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qtcreator-plugins/+bug/1200242\n Ubuntu bug 1200242 in Ubuntu QtCreator Plugins \"Run, debug, build buttons disabled\" [Undecided,New]\n kaleo: not currently, but I recall the Facebook app doing it\n mhall119, that was bad\n mhall119, really bad\n I can imagine other commercial apps wanting to brand their components\n mhall119, never ever ever do it\n mhall119, they can\n mhall119, but we don't recommend it\n popey: dpm: any hacking so far today?\n not that I've seen. \u00e2\u0098\u00b9\n aviral joined earlier and is keen to do some development..\n kaleo: are you looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1199662 ?\n Ubuntu bug 1199662 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit \"New easing causes animations not to reach their target values\" [Critical,Confirmed]\n bfiller: will you have some time to test my thumbnails branch, or should I try and find another reviewer?\n oSoMoN: I can try it\n bfiller: cool, thanks: https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/thumbnails/+merge/173978\n oSoMoN, yes, right now\n oSoMoN, I noticed the email only 10 minutes ago, sorry\n kaleo: no worries, but if it can\u00e2\u0080\u0099t easily be fixed today, I\u00e2\u0080\u0099d advise to revert the faulty revision from the UITK\n oSoMoN, tbh it looks like a bug in Qt\n oSoMoN, so I don't know yet\n kaleo: yeah I had a very quick look at the changeset in the UITK this morning, and nothing obvious stood out\n oSoMoN, I looked into the qt bug tracker, nothing related\n kaleo: in any case, a unit test in the UITK would be welcome, to catch this sort of regressions\n oSoMoN, that does not quite make sense\n oSoMoN, that would mean writing tests for features of Qt\n oSoMoN, that would be a lot of tests\n oSoMoN, thousands\n right\n oSoMoN, ie. this test belongs to Qt\n indeed\n oSoMoN, hey, the 4 failures at the bottom of http://paste.ubuntu.com/5862805/\n oSoMoN, don't seem related, what do you think?\n kaleo: I\u00e2\u0080\u0099m pretty sure they are: the suggestions popover is in the way (because it\u00e2\u0080\u0099s opacity is > 0), so interacting with the open tabs fails\n oSoMoN, ok\n oSoMoN: about https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-calendar-app/1193090/+merge/170957, addEvent is DataService.addEvent(event); line 144,\n oSoMoN: addEvent function is in DataService.js\n WebbyIT: sure, but when running the app on my desktop I\u00e2\u0080\u0099m not seeing the \"Save\" button, can you see it?\n oSoMoN: no, but I think is a problem with QQuickGradient: one week ago there was, and I have not change code off Save button\n WebbyIT: ah, right, I\u00e2\u0080\u0099m seeing errors related to the gradient, good point\n morning WebbyIT\n hi mhall119 :)\n oSoMoN, https://code.launchpad.net/~fboucault/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/workaround_easing_bug/+merge/174223\n WebbyIT: so if I modify the code to make the save button a direct child of the Column, it re-appears, but clicking it raises errors, can you have a look at the validation code (I\u00e2\u0080\u0099ve commented on it in the MR)\n kaleo: testing\n oSoMoN, unrelated, I was wondering if you had any plans for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1184969\n Ubuntu bug 1184969 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit \"There is no way to open a URL with the Browser from within an app\" [Critical,Confirmed]\n oSoMoN: Yes, I see, sorry for the disorder :-/ I'll fix it asap\n kaleo: this is a duplicate of a bug filed against qtubuntu, let me mark it as such\n oSoMoN, found it\n https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtubuntu/+bug/1186556\n Ubuntu bug 1186556 in qtubuntu \"Browser does not respond to Qt.openUrlExternally(link)\" [Undecided,Confirmed]\n yep, that one\n kaleo: how about adding a comment in the code to explain that the animations are not bezier splines because of a bug in Qt?\n seb128, question, do we have any standard place on the phone that says what is the default browser?\n kaleo, not that I know about\n oSoMoN, hmm, I'm the only one who is going to want to put a bezier spline there :)\n kaleo: fair enough, ignore my suggestion then :)\n seb128, anything planned in that regard?\n kaleo, not that I read about, but it's a good question\n mpt, ^ do you know?\n seb128, ok\n seb128, we need qtubuntu to implement Qt.openUrlExternally but for that we need to know what browser to launch :)\n kaleo: the standard easing used to be a QEasingCurve::OutQuint before rev 600, and you now made it a QEasingCurve::OutQuad, is that intentional?\n seb128, cf bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtubuntu/+bug/1186556\n Ubuntu bug 1186556 in qtubuntu \"Browser does not respond to Qt.openUrlExternally(link)\" [Critical,Confirmed]\n oSoMoN, yes\n oSoMoN, it's the closest to the bezier curve we had\n kaleo: ok\n oSoMoN, unfortunately it's not quite the same..\n kaleo: on est b\u00c3\u00a9zier\u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n oSoMoN, lol\n oSoMoN, mdr\n kaleo, what about doing the same thing as on the desktop?\n seb128, why not\n kaleo, use the default handle for x-scheme-handler/http\n handler*\n seb128, right but where do we have that information?\n seb128, I mean, where do we store the default handlers\n kaleo, /usr/share/applications/defaults.list\n well those are for mimetypes\n kaleo, you mean when you change it?\n kaleo, seb128:\u00c2\u00a0the desktop file of webbrowser-app has a MimeType entry, fwiw\n seb128, nice\n oSoMoN, nice\n seb128, do you know if there is any lib or anything that accesses /usr/share/applications/defaults.list ?\n kaleo: approved, feel free to top-approve once CI has run\n kaleo, the fdo spec is http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/mime-actions-spec/ ... let me have a look\n oSoMoN, thx\n seb128, thanks, putting that in the bug report\n WebbyIT: could you please also update the commit message of the MR to something more descriptive of what it actually does?\n popey, mhall119 \"- Initial click packages for all community core apps have been created and added to Jenkins, next step is to land on the image.\" <- oh, that's pretty cool, I hadn't noticed that yet\n holy hell\n I don't quite understand how we'll be using the PPA from now on, but it's pretty cool\n thats quick!\n https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg02746.html\n holy shit\n dpm, amazing\n yeah :)\n bfiller, you rock\n kaleo: what did I do?\n bfiller, 3G\n bfiller, and on/off\n kaleo: just the messenger :) renato and cyphermox deserve the credit\n renato, cyphermox: bravo\n kaleo, http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtgui/qdesktopservices.html ... seems that does what you want?\n seb128, well no\n seb128, this very likely relies on the platform plugin\n seb128, in our case, qtubuntu\n seb128, oh, but you are giving me an idea!\n seb128, the platform plugin on the desktop does the right thing\n seb128, we can just use that\n right ;-)\n seb128, or part of that\n seb128, cause launching apps is done differently\n seb128, ahah, it uses xdg-open on the desktop\n kaleo, ah, that makes sense ... in any case I think gtk&co copy the fdo code from http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xdg/xdgmime to do the mime parsing work\n kaleo, so if qt doesn't do it for you I guess you should use that in qtubuntu\n seb128, well, it's not really cool to use a perl script\n seb128, I put my recommendation in the bug report in the end\n kaleo, right, I don't like xdg-open/don't say it's a good solution, but I'm not surprised it's being used there, most desktop have been doing that\n seb128, yep\n seb128, so in essence I think the fix is simple\n kaleo, question for you ... do you have any pointer to documentation/code showing how to display a spinner on screen or something in qml while things are loading?\n seb128, spinner is the ActivityIndicator\n seb128, in the toolkit\n seb128, however, what's your design?\n in fact I've a simple app\n with a\n Text { text: backend.data }\n (http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-13.10/qml/ui-toolkit/qml-ubuntu-components0-activityindicator.html)\n seb128, I mean what's the app, what's the design, who's the designer?\n where backend.data is 30Mb or text read from disk and returned in a buffer\n my app hangs while the backend reads/return the datas and those are rendered\n kaleo, I don't have a design for the \"what to do while it loads\"\n seb128, get one :)\n kaleo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AboutThisDevice#Phone\n kaleo, it's the \"Software Licenses\"\n seb128, also if you know the progress, you can use a ProgressBar\n which is basically \"dump /usr/share/doc/*/copyright\"\n seb128, one clue: nobody is going to read 30Mb of text\n seb128, so something's wrong :)\n kaleo, yeah, it's legal obligation\n android does the same\n I looked on my phone\n seb128, they have books of text in one page?\n they have a screen taking 15s to load\n jesus\n with endless content\n seb128, I hope you are not blocking the device while doing that\n seb128, I also hope the rendering of Text {} is done smartly\n kaleo, well, for now I'm not doing anything, I'm working on that, it's not commited yet\n seb128, :)\n no, atm it's not :p\n I just started\n seb128, so, you need the designer's input\n I've a dumb cpp function going over the files and filling a buffer\n seb128, but you have ActivityIndicator and ProgressBar at your disposab\n disposal\n ok\n I guess I need to do progressive data filing somewhat\n my current approch is file a buffer and return it when done\n seb128, there are some facilities in Qt for that I think\n but that's not going to work for progressive stuff\n seb128, can't remember\n oSoMoN: done\n do I need threads?\n kaleo, I'm pondering just doing the stupid stuff, nobody is ever going to be interested in that dialog, it's just there to be compliant with the copyright/licenses\n :p\n seb128, yes, but you don't want to block nonetheless :)\n kaleo, even android does it in a stupid way\n seb128, check around http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtcore/qfile.html\n seb128, if there is nothing that does it progressively then threads are an option\n seb128, for which you have good facilities in Qt too\n kaleo, ok, thanks\n WebbyIT: well done, approved\n oSoMoN: thank for your patience!\n yw\n oSoMoN: before the merge do you want that I set the default value of endTime to startTime + 1h?\n WebbyIT: nah, that\u00e2\u0080\u0099s ok, let\u00e2\u0080\u0099s do it separately (and get input from design on it)\n oSoMoN: ok, thanks :)\n mhall119, popey, I've just been chatting to vtorvv and he's all set up to help with the music app dogfooding. He's a developer and he's checked out the music app code. I've described a few areas in which he could help and pointed him to you guys and me to ask if he's got any questions\n sweet!\n welcome vtorvv !\n dpm: awesome!\n popey, hi!\n Any know if the Stock-ticker app is working with the new update. Chart canvas looks normal and the sorting buttons are no clipped?\n With a device, I mean.\n * popey checks\n nik90: ping\n yay, Sudoku Touch is now in the default images!\n surgemcgee: http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-07-11-175349.png\n mhall119: dpm ^^^ check that out!\n mhall119 hi\n mhall119: hi, can you do me a favor? Jenkins failed a continuuos integration, but I have port 8080 blocked. Can you take a screenshot of http://91.189.93.70:8080/job/ubuntu-calendar-app-autolanding/5/ for me? Thanks!\n wohoo!!!\n nice work surgemcgee\n nik90|Mobile: hey, I was wondering if sometime today you could send me a list of things people can work on for the Clock during tomorrow's Hack Day\n popey: surgemcgee: nice! doesn't work on my Nexus7 though :(\n dpm: Hey thanks, the picture tells me exactly what is wrong.\n mhall119 the canvas?\n mhall119: the entire application?\n mhall119 sure I actually have something big planned. will send you all the details at the end of the day. would that be okay?\n surgemcgee: just the chart\n surgemcgee: I'm updating to see if I'm maybe just a version or so behind\n cant send now since I am at work actually\n nik90|Mobile: that'll do just fine, thanks\n perfect\n nik90|Mobile: anytime today, there's no rush\n I'll be writing the blog about it tonight\n oh yeah I remember the timezone u r in now :)\n mhall119: surgemcgee this is what stock ticker looks like on my nexus 7 http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-07-11-175845.png\n IIRC, rickspencer has issues with the Canvas on the Nexus 7, I wonder if they aren't fixed yet\n mahall: popey if you resizing the subtabs bar by pressing it and moving vertically, does it correct itself?\n surgemcgee: after upgrading, mine now looks like popey's\n surgemcgee: it does, yes\n mhall: ok, must need a time delay with the canvas available intitialization\n man, BBRY has been on a wild ride\n dpm mhall119 popey: can you help me? I don't understand what's the problem with https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-calendar-app/1193090/+merge/170957/comments/390179\n I want to download Ubuntu 13.04 but I can not to do it | http://askubuntu.com/q/319020\n Hi\n So what's going on? You are planning or programming atm? :D\n its been rather quite, I think. I'm working in the playlist at the moment though\n okay so how did you tell all the ppl what to do? :)\n or when did you start? ^^\n ah just checked it 09-21 UTC\n mhall119, popey: Do you know anyone's nick who is working on the browser app?\n okay and what's your set up to do all of the stuff required to be done?\n nik90: I'm not sure who is, ask in #ubuntu-touch\n mhall119: ok\n mihahn: I dont tell people what to do. If anyone wants to help, the Wiki link is found in MOTD here, and you're welcome to check it out and make sure that the things working to mae Music dogfoodable, actually works.\n danielholm, hey\n it might be handy to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Dogfooding with which features currently work for music player\n hey Jono\n Sure!\n thanks!\n brb\n For the first item in the list, I need someone to confirm that the music from ~/Music actually gets read.\n kaleo: please see thread on #ubuntu-touch, need some guidance\n Is it possible to test this on the desktop using the nvidia driver? I'm currently getting \"libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast...\"\n bfiller, let me see\n danielholm: my ~/Music gets read on my desktop\n which takes a *long* time, actually\n bfiller, can you give me a copy/paste, I was not in the chan\n lovely. then thats done and working.\n yeah, it seems to do that from time to time\n danielholm: it currently drops and re-scans every time I load the app\n mhall119, yes, that's how it runs corrently for the dogfooding.\n ok\n currently*\n just to be sure that any scanning gets done at all.\n danielholm, to run the app, do I just run ./music-app ?\n it asks for QML file\n jono: if you dont have it installed from a package, its better to run qmlscene and use music-app.qml\n jono@forge:~/source/music-app$ qmlscene music-app.qml\n file:///home/jono/source/music-app/music-app.qml:23 module \"org.nemomobile.folderlistmodel\" is not installed\n danielholm, ^\n jono: oh. you need qtdeclarative5-nemo-qml-plugin-folderlistmodel\n thanks danielholm :-)\n :)\n window has blocked painting, I assume it is scanning ~/Music\n happy to be of any help\n I have a *lot* of music :-)\n danielholm, you are doing a great job!\n danielholm, the music app is such a core piece of the platform\n jono: thank you very much. I really appreciate it.\n danielholm, do you think you can continue to help get it dogfood ready by the end of the month?\n jono: absolutely!\n * jono high-fives danielholm :-)\n :)\n danielholm, so does this scan of ./Music write a file that it loads or does it do this every time I start the app?\n jono: it populates a localStorage DB - which basically is a file, I suppose. it was meant to only be populated once, and then only refresh after new tracks, but since the scanning process was rather unstable for some, it now scanns and populates the DB on each run.\n danielholm, gotcha\n danielholm, well it successfully scanned in 95GB of music :-)\n took a while to scan it in, and the UI blocked, but it didn't crash :-)\n jono: wow. that is very much music! :P\n I will file a bug about the UI clocking\n blocking\n jono: great. I'll take a look at it later then\n thanks danielholm\n https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1200368\n Ubuntu bug 1200368 in Ubuntu Music App \"UI blocks when scanning in music\" [Undecided,New]\n I much say: this is very much fun. branches and bugs. making something that runs on my phone.\n one of the items in the list is playing music in the background. How is the \"background\" defined? I can play music and browse the web, or whatever, at the same time on my device, but is this more like being able to play music while screen off?\n i think background is able to listen music while doing *whatever*\n so, that works then?\n wouldn't you say?\n danielholm, I would say 'background\" is while using other apps\n I thought that didn't work right now?\n danielholm, glad you are having fun :-)\n danielholm, your work is so valuable :-)\n jono: then I suppose I need for someone to confirm this, but it works for me.\n danielholm, I believe mhall119 is working to get the app landed on the default image\n jono: :) that makes me wanting to try even harder.\n and then we can test more easily\n danielholm, :-)\n danielholm, so what are you working on right now in the app?\n danielholm: yup, as soon as we get the very basics working on devices, we'll propose it for inclusion in the images\n jono: right now, at this very moment, I'm working on the playlist support. The last weeks I've been working on the scrobble support.\n danielholm, awesome\n mhall119: looking forward to it! :D\n so does the current allow me to browse by artist?\n mhall119, so I assume \"very basics\" is the dogfood features?\n jono: a subset of those features\n jono: danielholm: \"very basics\" is making sure that reading from ~/Music works and you can play, which I think popey confirmed for us this morning\n jono: it [should] shows each artist in your library, but they are not yet clickable or does anything.\n i notice the fonts look very different on device\n danielholm, ahh cool\n danielholm, so I assume the plan is that you can tap an Artist and then see the list of albums by that artist\n and then tap an album and see the list of songs?\n mhall119: exactly\n http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-07-10-230704.png\n compared to https://plus.google.com/u/0/104229542816608041441/posts/TfpJsh8fTsy\n jono: precisely!\n danielholm, I think when we have that, that will make the app mostly dogfoodable\n popey: do you think the functionality right now is enough for us to add it ot the device images?\n then I can browse my collection an dplay\n mhall119: not quite, almost\n popey: what's left?\n jono: great. I'm glad to hear.\n :-)\n the artist/album views don't seem to work as intended\n danielholm, so I assume you will probably look at that after the playlist support?\n popey: I have that issue as well. and a bug is filed. But I dont yet know why\n popey: no, unfortunatly not yet. I hope that Victor will help me some with that since I'm having some difficulty with that part of the code.\n need some help anyone interested?/\n Aviral_: ask away.. \u00e2\u0098\u00bb\n i was watching the animal-farm app then i added two more animals and header as animal-farm\n the problem i am facing is the grid is of fixed size\n i want a scroll option so that if i add more animals i can just scrool down and see other animals\n if at this position i add more animals the size of animals picture is decreasing\n oooh that sounds hard \u00e2\u0098\u00bb\n a dynamically resizing display?\n no just kind of a list like in u reader\n dynamically resizing is a big task\n i just want is if one adds 100 animals\n the size remains same of each animal user just scroll down and watch the animals\n Aviral_: you'll need to put them in a Flickable, that will give you scrolling I believe\n let me try it :)\n and change the height (or width) to not be based on screen height (or width)\n I assume you'll want width based on screen width, but make height a fixed size (or the same as width) and allow scrolling if there's more than fits on screen\n but, even better, would be to use ConditionalLayouts so that on tablets like the Nexus 10 you have more columns too\n several ways to approach it\n got a question, is there anyone who uses playlist, i've never used them in my life\n I have\n balloons: can you give me a hand with http://91.189.93.70:8080/job/ubuntu-calendar-app-autolanding/5/console ?\n I'm not sure where to find what actually failed\n Is it possible to test ubuntu touch apps on the desktop using the nvidia driver? I'm currently getting \"libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast...\"\n Joe_B: you should be able to, just run them with qmlscene\n @mhall119, so the launch command for music would be \"qmlscene /usr/share/ubuntu-music-app/music-app.qml\"?\n I'm getting a bunch of \"QOpenGLShaderProgram::uniformLocation( shapeTexture ): shader program is not linked\" and similar.\n And no output in the window.\n Joe_B: if it's installed yes\n Joe_B: do you have the Ubuntu SDK installed?\n Joe_B: the command is correct if you have it installed. But you can also run \"music-app\"\n I believe so, I have \"ubuntu-sdk\" installed.\n Joe_B: and yes, there is a bug filed on that. dont know why that happens yet. doesn't the music window show anything at all?\n I'll grab a screenshot.\n Joe_B: can you join #ubuntu-touch and re-paste your OpenGL error?\n Actually, I just upgraded, and it looks like it's at least running something now.\n ah, ok\n Joe_B: if you have a lot of songs in your ~/Music/ folder, it could take a while to finish scanning them all and load the app's GUI\n Yup, that's what it's doing now, a lot of warnings about tags as well, but nothing worrisome.\n Joe_B: yeah, there is a lot of debug output on right now.\n Got frustrated with that, so I put one file in ~/Music, and let it go at that, it's still not drawing anything.\n This time I will get you a screen.\n Here's the log: http://www.bylund.us/~jbylund/debug_output.txt\n There's not anything to see in the screen, but it's here: http://www.bylund.us/~jbylund/music_app_screen.jpg\n what version are you running?\n 0.3bzr41quantal0\n hmm. and how did you change the music path?\n Well ~/Music was just a symlink for me, so I just deleted the link created a folder and copied one file into there.\n ah\n could you please file a bug and attach the logs you shared here?\n * jono listens to music with music-app :-)\n @ https://launchpad.net/music-app ?\n Yes\n thanks!\n danielholm, just filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1200393\n Ubuntu bug 1200393 in Ubuntu Music App \"Shuffling doesn't display the correct song\" [Undecided,New]\n thank you\n danielholm, bug filed at https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1200394\n Ubuntu bug 1200394 in Ubuntu Music App \"OpenGL Isses with NVidia driver desktop\" [Undecided,New]\n danielholm, I have to say, the app is pretty functional :-)\n really nice work so far :-)\n when we have the rough edges buffed off as part of the dogfooding, this is going to be a killer app\n jono: I'm glad to hear! I'll tell Victor ;)\n danielholm, :-)\n I'm convinced it'll be as well\n no, I'm actually having some issues with the playlist functionality that someone might help me with? I'm having playlists stored in a LocalStorage DB with an ID and a name. I want to show each of these names in a list, but I just get \"undefined\" back as a result\n I can post a snippet if anyone is willing to help\n mhall119, can you help here?\n danielholm, can you add a back skip button\n on it!\n thanks danielholm :-)\n just for listening to a cool song again :-)\n I tried to update my coreapps in raring and I saw this: \"touch-coreapps : Depends: sudokutouchgame but it is not installable\"\n #ubuntu-offtopic\n mhall119: I sent you the email for tomorrow's hackday\n mhall119, when you get a sec, can you fix the link for the getting started guide on http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/programming-languages/qml/\n it is broken\n cor3ntin, offtopic?\n ayr_ton> mistake, don't mind me :)\n jono: try out this branch: lp:~danielholm/music-app/back-button\n My library wont load on my desktop so I cant see what it does to the rest yet. like progress\n 22:54:56 < ayr_ton> I tried to update my coreapps in raring and I saw this: \"touch-coreapps : Depends: sudokutouchgame but it is not installable\"\n fixing that now\n popey, awesome :)\n jono: the link works for me\n the external links need to be updated though :(\n alright, so I resolved the old issue, but does anyone how to delegate an array?\n popey: while you're in that branch, can you make sure it depends on calendar-app and not ubuntu-calendar-app?\n mhall119: will have to make a new version and push again\n will do now\n mhall119: any others before I push 1.0.8?\n mhall119: pushed 1.0.8\n Hi, i've been hacking about on the music app and have managed to exponentially reduce the amount of time to load a large set of music files (~1800 in 7s). I've done this by moving the db writes into a single transactions. Not sure how useful this is as the UI still freezes while scanning the dirs but it is much faster at building the database :)\n oh nice\n mhall119: diverged branches \u00e2\u0098\u00b9\n i forgot to pull first\n ahayzen: thats awesome\n danielholm, the only thing it is missing is any error handling in the db writes, but is that taken into account at the moment any way?\n ahayzen, awesome :-)\n popey: bzr rebase :)\n ahayzen: wow, do you have that in a bzr branch on Launchpad? I'd love to try it\n I can push up if u want, is very hacky though ;)\n ahayzen: that's fine\n ahayzen: I dont think so, no.\n i did bzr merge, and it found one conflict...\n ahayzen: please push it :)\n bah\n mhall119, where do i push to?\n http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17604688/delegate-an-array-in-qml\n mhall119, ah its called music-app .. got it :)\n mhall119: think i fixed it \u00e2\u0098\u00bb\n danielholm, https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/music-app/database-write-single-transaction\n ahayzen: lovely!\n sweet! thanks ahayzen\n * ahayzen hopes it works\n music app hack day success!\n woo\n and 15mins left :)\n hah\n indeed!\n 1 hour 15 if you go by utc \u00e3\u008b\u009b\n heh\n get back to work!\n ahayzen, testing now\n I have 95GB music so keen to see how much faster this is\n * ahayzen (yn)\n blimey\n i have 20GB and its loading in ~7-8 secs with a 1651 change count\n ahayzen, I started up both branches at the same time\n they are both processing now\n yeah the UI still freezes :/ but the writing to the DB is very fast...before for me it sat for 60s+ writing to the disk\n ahayzen, cool\n ahayzen, I filed a bug about the UI freezing\n https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1200368\n Ubuntu bug 1200368 in Ubuntu Music App \"UI blocks when scanning in music\" [High,Confirmed]\n i tried to figure out how to solve the UI..\n yh saw tht, tht was where i started :) but ended up making this change\n :-)\n I am not sure how QML handles async\n looked into WorkerScript to run in background thread but u can't pass Qt objects through :( (or u could before but not anymore :/)\n jono, was it any faster? or are they still processing?\n ahayzen, still going\n at the UI stage?\n I am running two clients, so both will be slower, but the difference should be clear\n still sucking in ~/Music\n did urs take forever to write the DB aswell after the UI has finished?\n ahayzen, looks like the DB portion is running now- I see a lot of terminal output\n ahayzen, ok, you branch now showing UI\n at 4pm my time\n awesome ... midnight :)\n now the other branch will be running full steam\n so it is not a completely fair test\n it seems to be still sucking in music and not at the DB write part yet\n it finds a file then adds to db then goes to the next...whereas mine finds all the files puts in a buffer then writes them all\n now it is complete at 4.02\n it is definitely faster :-)\n :)\n I am sure danielholm will take a look soon and then merge\n nice work ahayzen :-)\n jono, thx... first thing i've ever done with QML/JS :)\n ahayzen, nice :-)\n thanks for helping the core apps, we really appreciate the help\n to get them dogfoodable this month will be awesome :-)\n I will! it already looks promising. But its time for bed. take care and good work today\n thanks danielholm\n night danielholm, thanks!\n ahayzen: man, that's a *huge* difference\n mhall119, thx :)\n kaleo, has the dark theme landed?\n renato, yes\n kaleo, any example how to use it?\n renato, Component.onCompleted: Theme.name = \"Ubuntu.Components.Themes.SuruDark\"\n kaleo, for every component? or just the mainwindow?\n renato, just the root\n kaleo, ok nice\n thanks\n renato, I'm considering doing something a bit better\n renato, where you create a text file, say suruTheme.ini\n mhall119, i've removed the commented code and added code comments for the new code...do i now propose for merge? or are there more steps first?\n renato, with a value 'light' or 'dark'\n renato, that would be more future proof maybe\n renato, let me know how it works anyway\n kaleo, does not looks nice :( : http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/8810/e4n.png\n renato, ah yes, you need https://code.launchpad.net/~fboucault/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/background_gradient_api/+merge/174027\n renato, so that the header looks nice\n renato, also list items highlight still need some design\n kaleo, ok I will the old theme for now\n renato, this MR will land tomorrow\n renato, so not long to wait\n renato, there will still be some small glitches in the dark theme, but nothing majorly wrong\n kaleo, ok let me try the branch\n kaleo, you should put a togle button in the galery example to change the theme :D\n renato, we have 3 themes, it should be a list :)\n renato, a ValueSelector for now\n renato, an OptionSelector when it landsq\n -\n -q\n renato, btw you can change it system wide live, while the gallery is running\n renato, by editing ~/.config/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/theme.ini\n ahayzen: I think it's ready to propose it for merging\n mhall119, do i propose...and if so how do i set as the reviewer?\n kaleo, looks better but : http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/8606/h3e.png\n mhall119, i guess danielholm?\n ahayzen: it should default to the project's team as the reviewer\n mhall119, ok i'll try it :)\n renato, list highlights are a bit ugly, will fix later\n renato, any other issue?\n red text\n mhall119, seems to have worked :) thanks\n renato, that's the highlight color indeed\n renato, could bit better\n renato, but apart from that?\n renato, in the rest of the UI?\n thank you ahayzen :)\n kaleo, I will try more tomorrow, I ping you if I find something wrong\n renato, thanks\n renato, you will be the first user!\n kaleo, any example of visual changes? I would like to change the visual of the ListItem. (font size, icon size)\n renato, don't\n renato, it should probably part of the toolkit\n renato, what's the design you need to implement?\n renato, what's missing?\n kaleo, the list item on contact list has different font size and icon size\n renato, show me\n renato, (we always need to check with the designers if the difference between the design of the app and the sdk are meant to be or just a mistake)\n renato, (a mistake in the design or a mistake in the sdk)\n#ubuntu-app-devel 2013-07-12\n nik90: thanks for the email, this will certainly help folks tomorrow\n good morning\n is there any command to exit from the application on user click?\n what is the package to install to get the new ubuntu SDK stuff and Qt Designer?\n AlanBell: http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/\n hmm, I thought it had landed in the 13.10 repos yesterday or something?\n the thing this article is about http://iloveubuntu.net/qt-creator-271-renamed-ubuntu-sdk-available-ubuntu-1310-numerous-new-features\n qt creator is different to Qt designer it seems, maybe that is where I was going wrong\n now it is working or not?\n I think there is some other package that installs plugins to QtCreator for Ubuntu development\n apparently it is findable in software centre, but that takes ages to start and crashes as soon as it does start\n u are running ubuntu sdk and now it is crashing\n AlanBell, the way we recommend to install the SDK is with http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/ - if there is another way that doesn't work, would you mind reporting it against https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit ?\n tried this command?? sudo add-apt-repository ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper && sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-sdk\n no, software centre crashes, not the sdk\n ah, I see\n then in that case, the bug is in SC :)\n so what landed in 13.10?\n AlanBell, Qt Designer is not a standalone app: there is only Qt Creator and Qt Creator with Ubuntu plugins. Both contain the Qt Designer as a tab (i.e. as part of Qt Creator)\n perhaps you've got an old Qt Designer package from Qt 4?\n AlanBell, what landed on 13.10 archive and on the 13.04 & older PPAs was a change to be able to: invoke Qt Creator with the Ubuntu plugins by typing \"ubuntu sdk\" on the dash or invoke vanilla Qt Creator by typing \"qt creator\" on the Dash\n probably, yeah, it was qt4-designer I was looking at\n typing \"ubuntu sdk\" on the dash tries to sell me books about hacking the Kinect\n do I need that ppa on 13.10 still?\n AlanBell, that works fine for me, but I'm using the PPAs I've just been pointed at bug 1198084, which might be relevant here.\n Launchpad bug 1198084 in qtcreator-ubuntu \"Unity Dash doesn't recognize Ubuntu SDK as an installable app\" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1198084\n ah, ubuntu-sdk is the package, which isn't installable at the moment it seems\n AlanBell, we're in the process of updating the SDK installation instructions to recommend just the ubuntu-sdk package from the archive in saucy (i.e. no PPAs). So it could come in quite handy if you try to basically forget about the PPA and report back if you've got any glitches\n dpm: In the http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/, you should remove the wording \"Development release\" since 13.10 does not require any ppa to get the latest sdk or qt packages\n yeah, I think I still have some ppa cruft from before my upgrade, libqt5v8-5 is 5.0.2-3ubuntu1~raring1~test1\n dpm: updated packages land in the archive directly. This will also be the case when we transistion to 14.04 later\n Good morning all, happy Friday and happy Cow Appreciation Day! (With a shout out to Embrace Your Geekness Day tomorrow) :-D\n AlanBell: that's right. I had similar issues as well.\n as the archive packages are not a higher version than the raring ppa I need to downgrade those things\n oh btw morning all :-)\n hi nik90, good morning! :-) that's what we're trying to do, but some steps need to be done to ensure the transition is smooth. Not all packages land as part of daily releases yet (e.g. Qt Creator) -> http://pad.ubuntu.com/GjiQAlduX5\n which collapses quite a big dependency tree, so I might leave that until later\n dpm: kaleo asked me to remove all the ppa which I did.\n nik90, ah, you're the perfect testing candidate, then :) Did you run into any issues or glitches?\n dpm: I removed the ppa only 2 days ago. For now I do not see any issues. However I wouldnt know myself since I do not what the latest version of these packages are in the ppa and if I received as normal updates.\n nik90: is there any command to exit from the application on user choice ex i will create a button of exit\n kaleo, seb128: There is no default browser setting in System Settings. It hadn't occurred to me that we'd have more than one. :-)\n dpm: is there any command to exit from the application on user choice ex i will create a button of exit\n mpt, hey, we will probably not have > 1 at the start, but no other OS is getting away with that ... ;-)\n Aviral: currentyly none of the applications have an exit button\n Aviral: you have to use HUD to quit the application\n nik90: ya thats why i am asking\n mpt, do you have any input on bug 1198084 ? I'm not sure if it's related to SC/aptdaemon or rather to the applications scope\n Launchpad bug 1198084 in qtcreator-ubuntu \"Unity Dash doesn't recognize Ubuntu SDK as an installable app\" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1198084\n This cannot be done localised to the clock app. It is something which will be common to all applications and hence should automatically come from the sdk\n or rather *shouldnt* be done localised in the clock app.\n oh so there is no need to implement the exit option?\n dpm, no, no idea sorry.\n no worries. Saviq, would you have a clue on that bug? ^^\n Aviral, no need to for now, that's correct. You can close the apps on the app scope by long-pressing on them already\n actually i am working on simple animal farm app and it shows a blank action bar so is there any way that it dosent appear even when the user scroll down to up\n dpm: thanks :)\n dpm, not sure, but I'd expect the software center parses for .desktop files and such\n dpm, but I don't have experience with it either\n Aviral, there is already an animal farm app, perhaps you want to join forces with Robert Ancell? -> https://plus.google.com/106527694663794732344/posts/LuFPbQXN8dT\n Aviral: if you have no toolbar options, then the toolbar should not popup when you swipe from bottom to top\n ya i knw i am working on that only :)\n the toolbar should in essence be disabled\n there is no toolbar option it is still showing pop up\n Saviq, yeah, we have a .desktop file for that already. No worries, I'll try to find out more. mpt, one last question: do you know who the best person to ask about that bug on the Software Center side be?\n you might want to report a bug against the sdk regarding this then\n need to asign a bug for SDK??\n yes\n not be written in the urlentry of an application made \u00e2\u0080\u008b\u00e2\u0080\u008bin glade, how to enable? I'm doing the tutorial Jono Bacon (Ubuntu Creating Your First App) | http://askubuntu.com/q/319175\n dpm: There is another bug regarding the translation string being too long in a toolbar.\n dpm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1199699\n Ubuntu bug 1199699 in Ubuntu Clock App \"German translation in the menu needs more space\" [Medium,Confirmed]\n not really sure what can be done here. Should this be fixed by the sdk where the toolbar move to accomodate large strings?\n * AlanBell has the ubuntu sdk installed from the 13.10 repos now dpm \n http://code.google.com/p/apt-downgrade/source/browse/apt-downgrade.py is a very useful script\n thanks for the heads up nik90, will look at it now\n nik90, I agree that this should probably be fixed in the SDK\n * nik90 files a bug report in the sdk\n nik90, I added a bug task for it already, you can reuse the existing bug report\n perhaps just replacing the current description, which is a bit short\n AlanBell, cool, let us know if you run into any issues\n dpm: yes I was adding the affects ubuntu-ui-toolkit package to the existing bug report.\n But I just noticed that it has been added by you\n yeah, did that\n :)\n dpm: does this make the bug invalid for clock and weather since it an upstream issue?\n nik90, probably, but I'd leave it for now, even if it's just to track what happens upstream.\n but it's up to you\n dpm: ah ok..will leave it then\n nik90: about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1197436, do I have to use AdminName only in USA? Because here in Italy we have them, but are useless\n Ubuntu bug 1197436 in Ubuntu Clock App \"Add City needs to show states in US\" [Medium,Triaged]\n nik90: nevermind\n WebbyIT: on talking to the design team, they requested that the state names be added to all cities\n WebbyIT: since these duplicate city names occur in different parts of the world and it is difficult to know which place they are located in.\n nik90: ah, ok\n WebbyIT: make sure you assign the bug to you change status to inProgress if you work on it. Will let other people know about it.\n nik90: yeah, I assigned it to me\n WebbyIT: awesome :D\n nik90: and here the MR :) https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-clock-app/1197436/+merge/174380\n WebbyIT: testing your fix now :)\n nik90: maybe I can delete fontSize: \"large\"\n WebbyIT: Those were given by design. So if you find them big, I suggest you file a bug report instead and I will take it up with the design team.\n nik90: ok, I'm reporting it\n WebbyIT: Approved!\n nik90: thanks :)\n kaleo timp: Does the listview.Base or Standard provide any form of text wrap?\n WebbyIT: Technically we can text wrap the results, however I do agree they look a bit too big for my liking\n nik90: Base doesn't have text in it\n timp: I added a Label to the base.\n nice work WebbyIT ;)\n nik90: Label supports text wrapping, it is a subclass of Text. But I do not think it is recommended to put multi-line text in it\n timp: I was not able to use ListItem.Standard since it does not allow me to change the text size. So I used ListItem.Base to add a label to it.\n nik90: I've no phone, but on computer is definitely too big for my taste\n dpm: thanks :)\n nik90: I'm not sure what you want to accomplish exactly. Do you have a visual design of what you want?\n nik90: yes for custom list items that may be what you need.\n timp: yes, let me share it. 1 second\n nik90: but on the other hand, if you can use Standard that is better because it is consistent among apps\n nik90: and if the default we use there is wrong for all apps we should change it in the UITK\n timp: http://ubuntuone.com/35fEbdT2KpA0bE0fc4C69b\n timp: I am not sure if the fonts we received from design apply to all the other apps. If they do, then yes it should be UITK. I wil have to confirm that with the design team next week then.\n nik90: please do, and report it as a bug in UITK if it needs to be changed\n I don't think we ever got final specs for what a list item should look like\n timp: will do.\n so what we have now is just our own interpretation from a design wireframe, until we get the visual designs\n nik90: thanks\n nik90, no need to wait to next week, let me see if someone from design can join us here\n dpm: I just now talked to mehow from the design team\n excellent\n we should get everyone on this channel, though\n yeah I have asked him to come to this channel\n I am here\n hey\n everybody this is Michal from the design team\n so mehow, you want to implement it like \" City name (large font size), state and country name (smaller font size)\"\n perfect, hi mehow, hi ckpringle :)\n YEs this is something that came to my mind as a simple solution\n hi ckpringle\n nik90: hey dude how are you?\n ckpringle: great. Today we are having the clock app hack fest! :)\n But I guess it will be easier to give you more info on monday after I spend some time playing with it\n nik90: woohoo!\n mehow: okay that should be fine.\n thnx\n ckpringle: is most the design work now on the sdk itself? I dont see you much on the core app design meeting anymore\n I meant \"are you working on the sdk itself?\"\n nik90: yeah I've been trying to focus on getting the SDK up to date with the latest, there's a lot of things that need to be updated in it and designed!\n nik90: kaleo pinged me a pic of the clock with the gradient background yesterday, exciting!\n ckpringle: those new sdk animations for checkboxes look splendid :-)\n nik90: :)\n ckpringle: yup, the background gradient support is landing end of the day. I will implement it in the weekend\n or perhaps even leave it to the new hack fest enthusiats\n How to develop for ubuntu using c++ | http://askubuntu.com/q/319256\n anything happening here?\n hi sarobat\n the clock app hack fest is going on\n hi\n feel free to jump on any bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bugs?field.tag=hackday\n They are easy to fix bugs\n thank you\n Going for lunch..brb in 25-30 minutes\n nik90|Lunch, enjoy!\n nik90|Lunch: out of interest what release of ubuntu do you develop on?\n balloons: whats the rationale for us not having autopilot latest in precise in the autopilot ppa?\n QML Page: Binding loop detected for property \"flickable\" | http://askubuntu.com/q/319277\n popey: I develop on 13.10. Previously I used 12.04, however due to autopilot qt not being backported to 12.04, I had to upgrade.\n nik90: thanks, this worries me\n popey: yes. I actually got an email from a contributor wanted to test core apps, however he couldn't even install certain core apps like calendar or weather I think because he was running 12.04\n That's a real shame.\n nik90, you won't need to set the theme manually anymore to have the gradient working\n kaleo: ok\n kaleo: I have been replacing my colors also with Theme.palette stuff\n oSoMoN: about MR of yesterday, I don't understand why Jenkins wants a new review\n https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-calendar-app/1193090/+merge/170957\n WebbyIT: let me check\n nik90, and it will be in lp:ubuntu-ui-toolkit (trunk) in 30 mintues\n minutes*\n kaleo: great job :)\n kaleo: but it will land only as an update once jenkins releases a new UITK update?\n WebbyIT, thx\n nik90, you mean land in the touch image?\n kaleo: no I mean as an update to saucy desktop through the update manager\n nik90, right, it could take a while\n nik90, today very probably\n nik90, worst case, tomorrow\n WebbyIT: it looks like it failed for no good reason (sometimes jenkins is a bit flaky), I re-approved it, let\u00e2\u0080\u0099s see if it lands correctly this time\n kaleo: thnx for all this. the theming infrastructure is so much better now\n nik90, but packages are available in the MR already\n nik90, yw :)\n oSoMoN: ok, thanks :)\n kaleo: ah ok. Will give it a shot\n is it possible to use setTimeout? Because I insert it in a function in a .qml file but doesn't work!\n om26er, ping\n salem_, pong\n om26er, hey, about ofono, I just dist-upgraded here and I got the same behavior, but I restarted it by hand and it then it works.\n salem_, restarted = server restart ofono ?\n om26er, yes\n *service\n om26er, I wonder if ofono is not being started before dbus\n salem_, i have done that a number of times\n om26er, did you use service restart? or stop/start?\n salem_, i cannot find ofono in system bus at all\n salem_, both\n om26er, ok, I am rebooting my system and then I can confirm. just a sec\n salem_, ack\n WebbyIT, oSoMoN, the reason that merge proposal was rejected by Jenkins was because now it only lands branches that pass all the autopilot tests\n https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-calendar-app/1193090/+merge/170957\n clicking on the link on the latest comment brings me to http://91.189.93.70:8080/job/ubuntu-calendar-app-autolanding/5/artifact/generic-mediumtests/test_results.xml\n where it says it's not passing these two tests:\n - test_timeline_view_shows(with mouse)\n - test_new_event(with mouse)\n dpm: actually, it says that those two tests (the only tests the app has) are passing\n dpm: see \"errors=0\" and \"failures=0\"\n oSoMoN, ah, you're right, I misread \"failures\"\n ignore my comment, then :)\n balloons, any idea why that merge proposal is failing? ^^\n dpm: oSomon previously said that jenkins was being flaky..we should see if it passes the next time. At the moment however the jenkins bot is down. I notified fginther who confirmed it. He should bring it up online soon.\n Does anybody here know which app I can use to browse gsetting keys..I cant remember the one I used to use before.\n nik90, I believe dconf-editor\n Ian Lane has written a nice sample app to browser the wallpaper using gsettings keys and I want to see If I can use it get the current time format using gsettings\n dpm: ah that is it. Cant believe I forgot the app's name.\n nik90, unfortunately, just before Laney created the app, I learnt that we're not yet in a position to recommend GSettings to app developers\n dpm: oh :(\n OH!\n it's because it's not in scope for app confinement in 13.10 apparently\n one of the security guys pinged me about it after I filed the bug to get API documentation for it\n that's too bad. I am guessing they are building some other system to provide that funtionality while still confining to app confinement?\n salem_, hey, its seems to be a blunder on my end :/\n salem_, I had the wrong version of ofono installed, (from the phablet-team ppa)\n nik90, not really, we don't have a fallback yet, so it's back to using LocalStorage and sqlite\n dpm: for the clock app I was more interested in reading gsettings keys than for writing into it\n the gsetting keys provide info such as the time format 12/24 hour format. I thought of using that to show the correct format\n Laney, I'll forward you the thread. In any case, your sample app will make for a good tutorial on d.u.c when GSettings is included in the app confinement work\n What happens if you try to use it?\n We're already using it in system-settings ...\n actually yes I was sure that the system-settings app was using it\n nik90, I'd recommend checking with seb128, kenvandine or the security guys, let me give you their nicks in a sec\n Laney: Since it is the system settings app, does it need app confinement?\n don't really know about that\n Laney: btw thanks for the app code. I couldn't find anywhere a good example of a flickable. I can learn from your code :-)\n nik90: Anyway, it's not too useful on the device since AFAIK nothing sets the gsettings stuff so at best you get the defaults\n it's good on desktop though\n i don't think system-settings will be in app confinement\n some of the plugins will need access to things like that\n kenvandine: true.\n om26er, yes, I rebooted here and it worked out of the box.\n it's too bad if apps won't be able to use gsettings at all\n salem_, yeah, the problem was on my end, using wrong ofono\n maybe long term it could be, but we would need more rules for allowing it to do what it needs\n om26er, ok, better then!\n Laney, we're discussing it\n Laney: yes. but we cannot really write qml apps just for the desktop anyway, so yeah\n Laney, how confined apps can use gsettings-qt\n specifically each app would get their own confined settings\n but not sure it is doable for 13.10\n hmm\n Laney, one thing that it would need to support is multiple installs of the same app\n with different settings\n i guess that is a supported scenario\n Hi all :)\n so i guess relocatable schemas\n hi mrqtros\n mrqtros: hi\n Today still the Music App Hackday?\n clock!\n music was yesterday, but we accept patches every day!\n popey: nik90: how is the hack day going?\n mhall119: nik90 has been active here..\n https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-clock-app/1197436/+merge/174380\n mhall119: hi\n mhall119: well we had our first commit by WebbyIT\n ckpringle: Can you take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1171470, it was submitted by you during the clock wireframe design implementation. Things have changed quite a bit since then and we have removed the millisecond transition. In essence the bug is fixed.\n hey mrqtros, careful if you say hi here, we might recruit you for the clock app as well ;)\n Ubuntu bug 1171470 in Ubuntu UX \"[clock app] Stopwatch milliseconds to seconds transition feels strange \" [High,Triaged]\n ckpringle: I still like to get it by you before I mark it fixed.\n dpm Ahah ))))\n dpm: :-)\n nik90: well, first commit to Clock by WebbyIT, he's been submitting ot other apps all week\n nik90: done\n mrqtros: feel free to take a loot at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bugs?field.tag=hackday\n mhall119: yes I noticed. Our hack day specialist WebbyIT\n ckpringle: thnx\n mhall119: the background gradient support by kaleo has landed in trunk. Eagerly waiting on update to saucy :D\n nik90, mhall119: API is SO COMPLEX :)\n kaleo: :), oh btw any colors used should be through Theme.palette and not UbuntuColors right?\n what?\n nik90, correct\n mhall119: ?\n sorry I've gotten dc'd so many times this morning, my IRC client is confused ;-) I thought I'd pop in here and manually see what's up.. looks like there is a backlog of some questions\n kaleo, nik90: what Theme.palette?\n kaleo, nik90: is using UbuntuColors.orange wrong?\n so popey autopilot requires newer stuff that is only found in raring or greater. Some thought was given towards having it work in precise, but you know, the sdk stuff doesn't work there either, so ...\n dpm, you have/had a question on merge requests?\n seb128: yes using UbuntuColors is incorrect\n balloons, the sdk does work on 12.04\n nik90, why and what should I use instead?\n daker, oO?\n seb128: basically if use UbuntuColors, then irrespective of the system theme, the color will be what you set it. Instead it should take whatever the theme suggests.\n seb128: So you should be using the SDK theme palette. Let me grab the documentation for you.\n hum\n balloons, yeah, I did have a question, thanks for coming back to me. It seems this merge proposal got rejected for no apparent reason: https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-calendar-app/1193090/+merge/170957\n nik90, the Ubuntu's orange is not theme specific though\n We were wondering if you might have an idea why\n seb128: true. What I meant was that you shouldn't hardcode the widget's color by using UbuntuColors.\n seb128: nik90: I'm assuming the two APIs serve different use cases\n Instead you should let the theme provide the color\n dpm, sure let's see why\n thanks :)\n mhall119: yes\n seb128, the ubuntu's orange is only used in specific themes\n seb128, what's your use case?\n dpm, ohh I see why I think right off the bat :-)\n seb128: If you open the UITK gallery and then open the API documentation, there in the homepage you should find Theme palette documentation.\n kaleo, I'm using it in the disk space bar to show the space taken by the ubuntu image\n in system settings\n yea, indeed.. the UI for calendar has changed but the autopilot test hasn't been updated.. it's failing now\n seb128, let me look\n kaleo, well, it's easy to change if wanted\n seb128, oh yeah\n kaleo: http://iloveubuntu.net/pictures_me/system%20settings%20dropdown%20filter%201.png\n seb128, nice custom widget\n seb128, hmmm, interesting\n kaleo, thanks ;-)\n balloons, I initially thought so too, but then I was pointed at \"errors=0\" and \"failures=0\" - so it seems either the tests passed or Jenkins does not report correctly\n seb128, yes right, it's \"Used by Ubuntu\"\n dpm, yes jenkins is lying to you a bit\n Wait... I opened the ubuntu-clock-app and when I use the alt+tab the icon and name is from the Sudoku app. Is this normal?\n seb128, you have it right then\n http://91.189.93.70:8080/job/generic-mediumtests/67/testReport/calendar_app.tests.test_calendar/\n kaleo, right, thanks\n seb128, is this app supposed to use the light theme by default?\n anyways, fix the ap test and you should be good.. need help?\n seb128, or is it going to switch to a different background color essentially?\n ayr_ton: yes, it's a limitation in qmlscene and unity 7\n kaleo, that's a good question, I don't know\n mpt, ^ do you know? ;-)\n balloons, I think WebbyIT might need some help in fixing the tests for that merge request\n ayr_ton: basically because they all use qmlscene as the process, bamf can't tell what application the window really belongs to\n dpm, ok, can do\n seb128, do you have any visual design mockups btw?\n mhall119, interesting, thanks :)\n kaleo, no, no recent one at least ... just http://design.canonical.com/wp-content/uploads/phone-overview-visual.small_.png which is what was posted on the design blog some time ago\n but that doesn't include subpanels\n balloons, do you think you could also send a reminder to the ubuntu-touch-coreapps mailing list about autopilot tests being executed by Jenkins from now on? I know you mentioned it in the IRC meetings, but not all developers attend them, and probably not all of them are aware of this and might be puzzled by the sudden failures and Jenkins reporting \"0 errors\"\n dpm, sure sounds like a fine idea\n thanks balloons!\n seb128, I've been given draft mockups that use the dark theme\n mhall119, dpm has the gradient support now landed?\n Need to work over them with the visual designer\n jono, kaleo tells us it's landing today\n dpm, perfect\n jono: it has landed in trunk\n and then I guess we can work to get them implemented in the core apps\n nik90, awesome :-)\n there you go :)\n mpt, ok, can you share that with me, when you get things in an useful state?\n nik90, great work btw!\n jono, dpm: waiting for it as an update in saucy\n jono: thnx :)\n nik90, I used the clock the other day to time the flank steak I was grilling\n worked great :-)\n jono: It is basically 3 lines of code to implement background gradients. All core apps should implement them quickly\n nik90, awesome :-)\n I am glad.\n mhall119, ayr_ton: Trevinho is fixing that I believe, there is a bug report\n bfiller: this is the MR that groups history entries by domain name: https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/domain-name/+merge/174435\n oSoMoN: cool will try it\n jono, dpm, it has landed\n (in trunk)\n kaleo, awesome :-)\n jono, oh, nik90 told you :)\n kaleo, :-)\n kaleo: too late :)\n kaleo: good to hear, fixing it where?\n kaleo, any idea when it will be published so our core app devs can use it?\n mhall119, in BAMF\n yeah, nice work kaleo ;)\n jono, today or tomorrow\n kaleo, perfect\n kaleo, btw, the theming changes in the toolkit look incredible\n they look so slick\n jono: only the clock and calculator have been given gradients in their visual designs\n jono, it's part of the daily releases on saucy, so as Florian says, as soon as the builders pick it up from trunk\n jono, I know, rosie did an awesome job!\n dpm, ahh daily SDK releases are now up and running?\n awesome\n kaleo, for Unity 7 or Unity 8 only?\n mhall119, cool\n jono, it really changes the way you feel about the apps\n jono: btw, the screenshot of the Clock app on my blog, that's using the new API :)\n jono, we had daily releases for months actually :)\n jono, (just not of the documentation publication)\n jono, for the SDK daily releases are up and running (except for Qt Creator)\n seb128, sure thing\n mhall119, LINK\n ayr_ton: presumably Unity 8 won't need the fix, since it doesn't need BAMF\n seb128, I'll put them on the relevant wiki pages\n mhall119, calendar has some gradients too\n mpt, thanks\n kaleo: http://mhall119.com/2013/07/ubuntu-clock-app-hackfest/\n kaleo, really? I was updating in saucy and never saw updates\n odd\n mhall119, make sense\n seb128, ok, dark it will be then\n kaleo, ok, so I can unsubscribe from the PPA now I guess?\n kaleo, seems so\n seb128, it will be good to have the visual designer's opinion on this widget then\n jono: calendar's visual designs aren't done yet, but they'll probably use gradients too, yes\n jono, yeah that's the thing\n jono, the PPA was probably preventing upgrades\n jono, remove it :)\n mhall119, basing it on http://design.canonical.com/wp-content/uploads/2013-06-20-15.28.21.jpg\n kaleo, awesome, removing now :-)\n kaleo, yeah, that's a good point, I've been focussing more on getting the infos to the UI so far than on the UI details, it's time I work a bit more closely from the visual design guys\n seb128, it's what sells :)\n mpt, ^ do you know if I should get in touch directly from somebody from design for the system settings visuals?\n jono: from that blog post: \"The visuals in the image below are an exploration of how this can potentially look and feel. This is still very much still in progress, but gives a strong hint of what\u00e2\u0080\u0099s to come.\"\n http://design.canonical.com/2013/06/solving-multiple-calendar-views/\n so it will likely use gradients, but we don't know yet where or how\n seb128: I actually wanted to ask you. Is it possible for the system settings to change the system time as of now?\n seb128, no, I'll publish them when they're ready\n mpt, ok\n nik90: not last time I checked it\n nik90, no, we don't have the datetime panel yet\n seb128, can system settings make me coffee?\n seb128, mhall119: ok\n kaleo, if you run it under sudo maybe :p\n seb128: but I suppose you will take the system time from the gsettings then.\n kaleo: yes, but it's Americano\n :D\n nik90, no, that doesn't make sense ... gsettings is for settings\n nik90: you should be able to just use the Qt time, and that will change based on system time\n right, qt probably provides an api for that\n mhall119: oh yeah.\n nik90, you can \"text: Date()\"\n standard js seems to work\n (I just tried)\n mhall119: me and popey were discussing on this in the design meeting where if the user sets a world city as his current location and if the system changes the time, then which one has precedence\n * mhall119 is always surprised when javascript works\n nik90: you should get UTC time from the system, then apply the world city's offset\n I'm sorry, I was away. I saw a ping by balloons and dpm about the MR, but i don't understand\n nik90: starting from UTC makes things easier most of the time\n mhall119: I agree. However there is a special case not met by that logic which is should the world city's offset be ignored if the user's system time has been changed outside the clock app.\n mhall119: its not where you get the time from, the discussion was about how we adjust what we display\n e.g. you step off a plane in a new timezone, network updates time, the clock should take account of that, but still let the user override it\n oh, I see\n so maybe we need a special \"Local Time\" location that changes, but if you set it to a specific world city it doesn't?\n WebbyIT, we were just saying that we now know why your merge proposal failed: the calendar UI has changed and it's no longer passing the autopilot tests (https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-calendar-app/1193090/+merge/170957) - balloons can help you to get them in shape so that the merge proposal is accepted\n kinda\n I'm assuming you can always get UTC time, and UTC time won't change when the network time changes\n the clock app should detect when timezone has changed and adjust display for \"the time here\" accordingly\n mhall119: yes but if you set it to a specific world and the it doesnt change (after entering a new country) then you are restricting the user.\n WebbyIT, indeed\n but the user should be able to override that to display the time back at home or somewhere else\n ok dpm, thanks. So, balloons, what have I to do? :)\n right, so then can we just have 1 \"Current local time\" and multiple \"Fixed location time\"?\n popey, mhall119: I need a sort of decision proposal if you will. What to do in certain cases that we described above.\n effectively, yes\n mhall119, popey: Can we document this in google docs? I already have one edited describing some case scenarios\n WebbyIT, well the test that is failing is the test_new_event\n sure\n So we need to update that to use the new date selectors (that's were it's failing)\n popey: nik90: design might have some advice on this too\n they were on the call\n but yes\n mhall119, popey: https://docs.google.com/document/d/10f7sU1POjFWc1y1afiV3IynJxDQartyFsXcpexI--7w/edit\n nik90: i have comment rights only..\n popey: just sent you an invite to your canonical email\n ok, ta\n mhall119, about the 3 and 4 work items in your blog for today hackfest. For this is necessary a merge proposal in sdk-system-alarm-api first? Or I could do some merge proposal directly in the clock app for help in this?\n ayr_ton: it'll need an API and platform implementations, those are already planned and spec'd as far as I know, just need an engineer's time to implement them\n speaking of that, kaleo: is there anybody else who can pick that up while zsombi is on holiday?\n so WebbyIT let me pull the branch and let's see what needs modified\n mhall119, breeding program? :)\n balloons: ok, thanks :)\n kaleo: I've done my quota\n kaleo: I assume you have a blueprint, milestones and work items for yours :)\n come to think of it, our monthly planning cycle is disturbing similar to those pre-natal planners\n mhall119, lol\n I don't know enough programming to help, but I am listening to heavy metal. Just know that.\n ovenwolv: moral support, we appreciate it :)\n ovenwolv, +1\n Excellent. We appreciate you guys making a phone with linuxy goodness.\n How can I add another version to available versions? | http://askubuntu.com/q/319318\n ovenwolv, \\m/\n balloons and dpm, \\m/\n Getting ready to watch the video on creating an autopilot testcase\n ovenwolv, :-)\n what should I imagine when I see \\m/ ? I understand \\o/, but m is a weird head\n You should image the fingers of a single hand\n minus the thumb, i suppose\n ok WebbyIT I have a really quick fix for the merge\n the autopilot tests for calendar should be fixed up :-)\n hello?\n arielschon12, this is balloons reading you loud and clear. do you copy, over?\n I copy alright, thanks!\n :-)\n Anyone knows how can I get started and contribute to the core apps?\n balloons: ok :) Do you submit a new branch for fix autopilot or have I to modify something?\n arielschon12, there's a lovely tutorial on developer.ubuntu.com if you need help with qml, etc.. However if your already to go on that front, take a look at these wiki pages: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/\n Pick an app, go to that page and we can help you get the code and start hacking\n WebbyIT, I'll push something in just a moment\n arielschon12: what kind of contribution do you want to make?\n Well mhall119, First I just want to get my hands on the code and see what is going on\n arielschon12: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/DevelopmentGuide has a generic guide to getting the core apps code and submitting your changes\n balloons: you are awesome :D\n Thanks guys :)\n thank you arielschon12, looking forward to seeing your merge proposals :)\n Cool, thanks mhal!\n And now off-topic, I am currently running MAC OS X 10.7.5 and I want to dual-boot it with ubuntu. I have tried it before, but stuff got messed up. Anyone knows how to do this (I am using an iMac, so wireless mouse and keyboard support is needed in the OS selection)\n WebbyIT: I see that you have taken on another bug :). Just one thing to note, try using the ImageButton.qml component located in the stopwatch folder. This will allow you to get the same styling as the stopwatch lap,reset buttons.\n I forgot to mention this in the bug report\n nik90: yes, I did it. Reset working great, now I'm working on pause function :)\n ariel, why not try a virtual machine on your desktop? Virtual box or vmware player should work fine, then you don't have to choose which OS to boot\n wild.. well, I think I may just gut the test instead.\n it seems like there is still more work to do.. it \"passes\" but I don't see a way to make an event at all :-(\n you might have problems getting the SDK apps running in a virtual machine, they require OpenGL ES support and last I heard VirtualBox didn't have that\n VMWare I heard works though\n I have 12.04 on VMWare player, with the QT SDK installed, but it could be missing something and I wouldn't necessarily be aware\n nik90: it seems that Jenkins can not stand me :-/ Here the MR for pause: https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-clock-app/1166264/+merge/174458\n WebbyIT, see my comments on the merge\n I took your branch and made some changes: https://code.launchpad.net/+branch/~nskaggs/ubuntu-calendar-app/autopilot-fixes-for-newevent\n mhall119, are any of the calendar folks around?\n WebbyIT: I have asked it to build it again. Let try once more.\n balloons: ok, thanks :)\n WebbyIT: Your code is perfect. I do not think that is the issue.\n WebbyIT, does new event work for you? I can't seem to create one.. there's no save button I can see\n nik90: Ok, thanks :)\n balloons: no, both oSoMon and I have the same problem. If you launch it you have some errors: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5868534/\n balloons: but you can get around this, with some modification\n WebbyIT, ok right.. so for the moment, I killed the test\n balloons: not that I see, why?\n balloons: FYI in NewEvent.qml you have to change line 130 from ListItem.SingleControl to ListItem.Empty and line 132 from control: Button to Button, and it works. I didn't do it because I don't know why is in that way, so I don't want to do damages.\n mhall119, just wondering..\n WebbyIT, well, hmm.. heh\n so WebbyIT if your ok with my branch changes I'll merge that branch into trunk\n it's just your changes + the autopilot fixes\n balloons: yes, certainly :)\n ok, so let's do it\n balloons: ok, I link your branch to bug and delete my branch\n WebbyIT, no that's ok\n everything can stay as-is\n including the request\n balloons: ah ok, as you wish\n :-) I think it's saner to do it that way.. maybe others would like to see a new MP, but :-)\n since I'm merging it, I get to choose I guess :-p\n kaleo, speaking of dropping PPAs for the SDK saucy installation, that's already done in d.u.c -> http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started\n popey, mhall119, just a FYI ^^\n WebbyIT, basically you should be good.. I'l merge it in a moment\n WebbyIT: your branch got merged :-)\n WebbyIT: Told you that your code was fine :D\n nik90: good :) Now I'm going to move ImageButton.qml in common, so you can merge also other branch :)\n i want to push modification in launchpad i has commited the content aviral@aviral-G31M-ES2L:~/animal-farm$ bzr push lp:~aviral190694/animal-farm/aviralupdate You have not informed bzr of your Launchpad ID, and you must do this to write to Launchpad or access private data. See \"bzr help launchpad-login\". bzr: ERROR: Invalid url supplied to transport: \"bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~aviral190694/animal-farm/aviralupdate\":\n now it is shoing the above error after writing the branch push code\n WebbyIT: be aware that when you do that, you need to also add a import statement in stopwatchpage.qml file\n Aviral_: When did you submit your ssh key to launchpad?\n Aviral_: it sometimes takes few hours to accept and recognise your keys.\n ohh i had done it today only\n Aviral_: have you run \"bzr launchpad-login\"?\n no\n bzr launchpad-login aviral190694\n nik90: I think is not necessary, because there is import \"../common\"\n that should tell bzr who you are on launchpad\n hello\n nik90: in fact, it works. Do you want that I explicitly import it ?\n WebbyIT: ah yes. You are already more familiar with the code than I am :P\n WebbyIT: nope you were right!\n nik90: ok, perfect :)\n WebbyIT: can you move the button to the center since it is the only one present in the timer?\n nik90: sure\n WebbyIT: you also need to reset the pause time to zero in the reset() function. Otherwise you can only run the timer once.\n nik90: good point\n WebbyIT: Instead of adding a new variable \"pauseTime\" wouldn't it be better to assign a new StartTime every the timer is paused? This is also the logic that the stopwatch makes use of. This way have one less variable to worry about.\n You can take a look at the stopwatch logic on how it keeps time by manipulating the startTime\n nik90: I can do it, but I have to rewrite logical of the timer, that isn't the same of the stopWatch. Now the remTime = totalTime - Math.floor((new Date() - startTime)/ 1000), so I can't change startTime. I can add delay to startTime, but it's the same thing that i do with PauseTime. If you want i can change PauseTime in delay, and sum it when press pause\n * nik90 is thinking about the logic\n How can TextField input be validated for long integers? | http://askubuntu.com/q/319355\n nik90: or, maybe I did not understand anything of logic\n WebbyIT: can you update the code to reset the pause time. I will test it again. Because as of now, the timer does not work the second or third time when I set it.\n in the reset() function that I mentioned earlier\n let the code logic remain as you did for now\n nik90: done https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-clock-app/1166264/+merge/174458\n nik90: the last commit -> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-clock-app/1166264/revision/140\n WebbyIT: actually I am fine with your code logic. Lets not change that. I am going to now keep testing to see if it fails in any cases.\n WebbyIT: one small fix. Could you move the pauseTime = 0, to AnalogTimer.qml\n there is a reset function in that file\n there you can do startTime = remTime = pauseTime = 0\n just my small nitpickings :)\n nik90: you're right, is right to write good code :) Done\n Aviral_: is your issue fixed?\n no :(\n aviral@aviral-G31M-ES2L:~/animal-farm$ bzr push lp:~aviral190694/animal-farm/aviralupdate Permission denied (publickey). ConnectionReset reading response for 'BzrDir.open_2.1', retrying Permission denied (publickey). bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.\n Aviral_: when did you say you uploaded your ssh keys to launchpad?\n hmm the error says Permission denied (Public key)\n you sure you uploaded the corrected keys to launchpad?\n i am not sure\n popey: mhall119: Stock ticker was updated to correct device visual glitches.\n yay\n Lol\n Please provide a screenshot when you get some time.\n great work surgemcgee_\n mhall119: Hey, thanks.\n Aviral_: did \"bzr launchpad-login aviral190694\" work without error?\n popey: mind testing https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-clock-app/1166264/+merge/174458 for me?\n popey: It includes a reset button. The main timer button now start/pauses the timer.\n mhall119: sir that command worked but new error has occured :( i am bored by watching thses errors again and again\n mhall119: he got error Agent admitted failure to sign using the key. Permission denied (publickey). ConnectionReset reading response for 'BzrDir.open_2.1', retrying Agent admitted failure to sign using the key. Permission denied (publickey). bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.\n mhall119: Agent admitted failure to sign using the key. Permission denied (publickey). ConnectionReset reading response for 'BzrDir.open_2.1', retrying Agent admitted failure to sign using the key. Permission denied (publickey). bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist\n Aviral_: if you run just \"bzr launchpad-login\" what does it print out?\n aviral190694\n hmmm, this is very odd indeed\n WebbyIT: your code works without any regressions. I guess it is good to go.\n nik90: good news :)\n Aviral_: is your ssh key in ~/.ssh/id_ ?\n mhall119: yes,i think it has a problem with me i has to gift something to launchpas to accept my sshkey\n rsa\n Aviral_: what does \"bzr whoami\" return?\n Aviral Aggarwal\n Aviral_: try this:\n bzr push lp:~aviral190694/+junk/animal-farm\n mhall119: Agent admitted failure to sign using the key. Permission denied (publickey). ConnectionReset reading response for 'BzrDir.open_2.1', retrying Agent admitted failure to sign using the key. Permission denied (publickey). bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.\n WebbyIT: Approved again! Your 2nd bug fix for the clock app.\n same error :'(\n well it's launchpad then, not specifically animal-farm\n Aviral_: join #launchpad-ops and maybe someone there can help\n sorry, just #launchpad\n mhall119: joinede\n joined\n nik90: thanks you for your support and your guide :)\n WebbyIT: the pleasure is mine\n Aviral_: might take a bit to get a response, but hopefully someome there can check into the launchpad side of things to see if they can see what's going wrong\n mhall119: not an issue sir i am here for 1 more hour and thanks for your help :)\n nik90: when is the next design meeting for clock? I'm very interesting in helping the app :)\n WebbyIT: On thursday 16:00 UTC. I will ask dpm or popey to send you an invite to it\n WebbyIT: Its on g+ hangout.\n dpm will have to i think, it's in his calendar\n popey: ok\n popey: I will send him an email regarding this today\n would love to have WebbyIT in these meetings :)\n nik90: ok thanks :)\n thanks\n ditto!\n WebbyIT: oh by the way, if you can you should join the dev weekly meeting on Friday from 19:30 UTC - 20:00 UTC\n which is today in another 1hour\n nik90: it would be great to work side by side with people like you :)\n the meeting is with popey and mhall119\n wow, 19:11 my time and I now notice the /topic wrong\n so sorry nik90\n nik90: yes, on #ubuntu-touch-meeting?\n WebbyIT: yes\n WebbyIT: So to summarise, we meet every week on Thursday (16:00 UTC) and on Friday (19:30 UTC)\n nik90: I'll be there :)\n popey: did not notice. I actually almost forgot today's meeting :P until I mentioned it\n WebbyIT: great!\n alrite I am of to dinner. brb in about 1 hour\n* popey changed the topic of #ubuntu-app-devel to: http://developer.ubuntu.com | App development on Ubuntu: how to do it & how to make it better | HackDays! http://bit.ly/12Ux0vM | Thu 12th July is Clock App HackDay! http://bit.ly/1agnlBJ | Clock App Bugs: http://bit.ly/1ahmf8W | Clock App Blueprint: http://bit.ly/15nKOO7\n better late than never!\n WebbyIT: latest bug fix by you merged successful by jenkins bot\n nik90|Dinner: great :)\n yo\n what up G\n :)\n :D\n so clock app today what are some of the things that you might be having issues with\n like logic things or need c++ plugins or anything like that ?\n the bugs are listed in the /topic\n the clock app is mostly there tbh\n if you're interested in helping with other apps then they're all listed on the hackdays link above\n the only ones that use a c++ plugin are the file manager (mostly done) and the music app (needs design work)\n they both use the same plugin - nemo..\n terminal also has a C++ plugin\n ah yes\n whats the hacksday link\n http://bit.ly/12Ux0vM\n Hey my apps also have c++ plugins\n :)\n but I only have zeroconf and system tools and mysql database c++ plugins\n mostly dns_sd , QProcess and QSql stuff\n popey, are there plans at all to move the core apps to use applicationView so that it will be a single binary and one will not have to run qmlscene?\n bobweaver: we meant of the Core Apps\n :)\n bobweaver: applicationView being a C++ thing?\n i think there's a plan to have a more lightweight application start framework\n kinda mhall119 like using QGuiApplication and QCoreApplication and QQmlEngine\n having it so you do not have to use qmlscence\n bobweaver: like popey said, I think the plan is to replace qmlscene with another generic, but more functional, application runner\n cool\n but we don't plan to include a C++ launcher in each app\n mhall119, something like this https://launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/+archive/sdk-extras\n the ubuntu-tabs-cpp package that I made a while ago\n needs work needs to install the qml source directorys to a better place as debian files(auto generated ) say no no on installing files on them selfs\n It just creates a new wizard that has packaging questions and forms to fill out that fill in the debian/* files has a tabs application that you can build for debugging or for release\n seb128, still around?\n kaleo, lol, I was just calling it a week ... I've a few minutes to answer a question though ;-)\n seb128, I was testing your app again\n seb128, and I'm really puzzled by the flicking in the main menu\n seb128, it feels so different from everywhere else\n seb128, what's doing that?\n the fact that it goes offscreen like that?\n seb128, you are not using a Flickable or a ListView?\n I am\n seb128, it does not go offscreen at all\n seb128, just it slows down very differently\n seb128, compare it with the dash for example\n you are the toolkit guy, tell me what I'm doing wrong :p\n seb128, which file should I look at?\n we are using flickable a column in it\n what screen are you on?\n seb128, main\n do you have the same issue in e.g about?\n seb128, let me sese\n -s\n seb128, yes\n boundsBehavior: Flickable.StopAtBounds\n that's not supposed to be there :)\n kenvandine added that\n without it things were acting weird\n e.g flicking on a dialog that fit on screen would send it off screen\n which feels buggy\n why would you want any scrolling on something that fits on screen?\n kaleo, we had a screens without enough content to fill them\n especially on a desktop\n yet you could still drag\n using a wheel scroll you could get the UI way off screen\n seb128, kenvandine, hmmm,\n seb128, kenvandine, so, it might be the wrong solution\n perhaps :)\n seb128, kenvandine, and whatever the solution is, it should go in the toolkit\n right\n so that all apps benefits\n -s\n kenvandine, did you open a toolkit bug about that?\n no\n we should do that\n I'm testing a bit\n this is the behavior of any flickable\n kaleo, sorry about the lack of bug filling\n which is outside of our toolkit\n kenvandine, that's the only property you set to fix the issue?\n i think so\n yes\n kenvandine, yes, but we have power of Qt :\n kenvandine, :)\n so unless we want to have our own flickable\n kaleo, try on the about panel, it's easier to edit (you can edit the .qml without rebuilding)\n kenvandine, that also is a possible option\n kenvandine, Qt Quick Controls has that\n seb128, ok\n the downside with that is all the existing components wouldn't inherit from that, would they?\n seb128, MainWindow.qml is built into the binary?\n yes\n kenvandine, inded\n +e\n kenvandine, but let's first figure it out\n seb128, not cool\n kaleo, plugins/about/PageComponent.qml is not (that's the about panel)\n seb128, unless it's strictly necessary I would avoid bundling QML files into the binary\n kaleo, yeah, tell mardy, he did the main UI thing\n seb128, that's a side point obviosuly\n seb128, :)\n the panels don't do that\n so perhaps Qt's flickable should be modified :)\n seb128, you'll know for later\n kenvandine, perhaps\n noted, thanks ;-)\n kaleo, yeah... that seems to be mardy's preference\n kenvandine, or made configurable at a system level, if it's not already the case\n I didn't like it anyway\n kenvandine, I'll tell him off\n since it's harder to hack and test changes :p\n seb128, exactly\n seb128, kenvandine, so yeah without boundsBehavior: Flickable.StopAtBounds it feels much better\n seb128, kenvandine, let me make a page with little content\n seb128, kenvandine, so you can still scroll and it bounces back, it's not that bad, let me see a bit more\n seb128 and i both found it terribly annoying\n try the reset plugin\n kaleo, try on a desktop with a wheel/trackpad scroll\n but even on the device\n if you try on android they don't make things scroll offscreen when you touch them on a page that fits in screen\n (just tried on my phone)\n seb128, ok, I think the solution is to make it conditional\n kenvandine, ^\n Is it possible to set the location from within the app?\n seb128, if contentHeight bigger than height then DragAndOvershootBounds\n seb128, else StopAtBounds\n that seems tedious\n seb128, tedious to implement?\n shouldn't the toolkit Do The Right Thing\n no, easy to implement\n seb128, well, yes, I'm talking about the solution that would go in the toolkit\n but it means every single app have to go through discover and implement that\n ok, good ;-)\n kaleo, that would be fine\n seb128, cf discussion from before :)\n right\n +1 from me\n soooooooo\n but it should go in Qt imo\n kenvandine, agreed\n so all flickable's benefit\n kenvandine, maybe a boundsBehavior new type\n don't get me started on the list of things qt doesn't do for you ;-)\n hehe\n (like wth with column not working if you don't put the anchors on left and right)\n if a new type, i think it should be the default :)\n kenvandine, yes\n kenvandine, at least for Ubuntu\n i can't think of a case where you want want to be able to do this\n (or listviews not working if you fill them but don't specify an height)\n seb128, oh that is annoying!\n kenvandine, agreed\n kenvandine, yeah, I'm still not sure I like qt because of those things :/\n seb128, lol\n seb128, well... still far less frustrating than gtk :)\n it's so annoying that you take a listview, pack it with a model and get nothing on screen\n seb128, like all the other benefits are not enough\n seb128, it's good you konw\n then spend an hour trying to figure why\n seb128, i that's the biggest yissues you have\n \"oh, heigh is 0 if you don't specify it\"\n seb128, that's a good sign\n seb128, I agree though\n seb128, the width/height being 0 and nobody telling you is bad\n seb128, at the very least QtCreator should tell you\n kaleo, yeah, I like it most of the time, it's just so details that are really annoying and bit most of the beginners\n just *those* details*\n seb128, kenvandine, I suggest in the meantime for the system settings app:\n seb128, kenvandine, 1) create a CustomFlickable.qml that factors the code you have\n (it's repeated in multiple places\n seb128, kenvandine, 2) implement the behaviour described above\n that's why i want a mode in qmlscene to run with red boxes around each element... just like firebug\n kenvandine, that would not show 0x0 items :)\n kenvandine, and if you use QtCreator's QML debugger\n kaleo, it should :)\n kenvandine, you can click on the UI\n kenvandine, and it takes you to the code\n dude... i've never had luck with that\n kenvandine, why not? :)\n kenvandine, well, not being able to run the app locally does not help :)\n i fought with getting it to load at all\n kenvandine, that's very odd\n not just for systems settings\n mostly with friends-app, instagram, etc...\n kenvandine, I can take a look when we meet\n i gave up on trying :)\n kenvandine, works fine here :\n :)\n so i've heard :)\n what i want though is to be able to hi-lite all the components and maybe a zoom for the 0x0 items\n so you can play with it\n kaleo, ok, thanks for the advice, I'm going to have a look to the customflickable and fill a bug on the toolkit about that\n kenvandine, ^ if you want to beat me to it feel free, otherwise I can do that on monday\n not today though, enough work for this week ;-)\n seb128, thank you\n seb128, sorry for the extra work\n kenvandine, kaleo: well, even without the 0x0 widget issues, having borders around elements would be nice, I keep changing my Items for Rectangles in custom widget to see what's going on\n kaleo, no worry\n oh... so it does seem to work with something that is pure qml\n ok, on that note, enough for me for this week\n have a nice w.e everyone\n see you next week\n kenvandine, why not use QtQuick.Window 2.0 and use Screen.height/width and console.log that to app on start up ? or set the Window in c++ to be like QtQuick2ApplicationViewer k; k.showMaximized(); or something like that showFullscreen() ect\n bobweaver, for what?\n kenvandine, for your Items\n and debugging like you where talking about above ^^\n you mean to see when something is 0x0?\n but i don't care about screen size... what i want is to see how big each item is\n not just how big\n but also hi-lite them\n so you can mouse over and see what element is what\n this is a Model ?\n no, just a general complaint\n during development people often don't see the results they expect\n and it's can be a pita to see why the height is 0, etc\n i want something like firebug for qml :)\n kenvandine, Item {width: Math.round(Screen.width / whatever) Rectangle{id:foo; width: Math.round(Screen.width / 2) } MosueArea{hoverenabled: true; onEntered:{tooltip.opacity = 1 ; tooltipText.text = foo.width +\"\\n\"+foo.height} } Rectangle{id:tooltip; } }\n make sure that you import QtQuick.Window 2.0\n something like that\n but i want it to be part of the toolkit\n I would make my own Elements for ToolTip and what not\n yeah, that isn't as interesting\n I think that there is tooltip in QtQuick.Controls\n i don't want it for me... but for everyone that gets annoyed figuring out what is going on\n Think being keyword\n QML_FIREBUG=1 qmlscene foo.qml\n and you magically get outlines or bgcolor changes on hover :)\n yeah it sux when you are like what is wrong with my list/grid/path View and it is not that at all it is your delegate or somethingmlike that\n yeah\n or you set height to some other component's height\n which turns out to be 0\n so you don't see it at all\n annoying things like that waste too much time\n +1\n console.log(\"Is my Friend\")\n yeah... me too\n but i hate debugging that way\n I mean you could make that happen real easy with c++ in ones main.cpp (if that is ones main cpp file )\n considering that it is qmlscene there is not bound to be any c++ files\n dont understand why people do not want c++ in there qml . oO* I mean qml is c++ plugins and what not.\n there is no tooltip in QtQuick.Controls only toolbars and toolbuttons\n bobweaver: what do you want a tooltip for?\n timp, I dont but me and ken where talking about debugging and options\n ok :)\n mhall119: hey, I need to write an app that has a little C++\n mhall119: I don't see any C++ templates under the Ubuntu project in qtcreator\n oh, wait, maybe I do\n 'QML Extension Library + Tabbed Touch\n let me play with that\n yes, that should do it\n mhall119: nm! :)\n#ubuntu-app-devel 2013-07-13\n mhall119: Thanks a lot sir for helping now my ssh key worked :) it would have not worked without your help\n nik90: Thanks to you as well :) for guiding so much\n Ubuntu boot from EMC SAN | http://askubuntu.com/q/319628\n hey there\n I want to develop a range of scopes for Unity 7/8 for Recipes and Cooking, is someone interessted?\n Hi, just wondering if anyone has found a work around for hotspot tethering with the maguro images? Are the nightlies working yet?\n Hi, just wondering if anyone has found a work around for hotspot tethering with the maguro images? Are the nightlies working yet?\n#ubuntu-app-devel 2013-07-14\n Undefined reference to GtkWidget | http://askubuntu.com/q/319771\n Remote X ? new efficent client | http://askubuntu.com/q/319802\n join #android-dev\n Hello, I have a qt question for playing an online audio stream using the ubuntu sdk\n Is there anyone who could assist me?\n Does qml out of the box support playing the stream, or do I have to add the c++ module?\n Luke_1 Do you know anything about c++, the ubuntu sdk, and qml?\n#ubuntu-app-devel 2014-07-07\n good morning\n Good Morning all\n Good morning all; happy Monday and happy Chocolate Day! :-D\n popey, could you give me a shout as soon as we promote a new image that contains the new account-plugin-evernote package? Then we can approve the Reminders .click package that we've got pending approval in the store\n dpm: sure\n dpm: ooh, looks like #114 got it over the weekend\n dpm: http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/114.changes\n account-plugin-evernote from 0+14.04.20140113.2-0ubuntu1 to 0.4+14.10.20140704-0ubuntu1\n davmor2: you dogfooding any particular image?\n popey, awesome, does it look promotable? :)\n it seems okay to me, but thats up to davmor2\n popey: I'm looking at todays but I don't think the tests were looking like it would be promoted\n ok\n ta\n dholbach: DanChapman I have reverted dekko back, as I shouldn't have hit approve. sorry.\n popey, I approved it too ;-)\n haha\n doh\n what happened?\n ok, re-approved\n haha :-D\n i hit the wrong button\n ignore me, i need more coffee\n is the \"list never updates after first poll\" a known bug in dekko btw ?\n thanks popey, danchapman :)\n i can see there are new unread mails in the mailbox overview ... but as soon as i click on inbox there are no new ones ... nor do they get pulled when i click on refresh\n ogra_, yes it's a known bug, if you go back and then back into inbox it should fetch the rest\n it doesnt\n kalikiana: need your help with https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/add-custom-sound-backend/+merge/225812\n kalikiana: for some reason, when I open a saved alarm, the alarm sound url is blank\n kalikiana: I specifically created a new alarm and set the alarm sound manually. I also outputted alarm.sound to check that the proper alarm sound url is saved. However when reading the saved alarm properties, the sound url is always empty\n ogra_, meh :-( it should be fetching the new ones on 're-opening' a mailbox. The refresh button seems to be only fetching the headers but they aren't bubbling down to the the threadedlistmodel. I'll dig into it\n thanks ... it doesnt even update on app restart\n ouch\n seems i can only get the first list that was ever pulled ...\n DanChapman: just the chap :)\n DanChapman: Over the weekend had a couple of issues that I will bug shortly, 1. dekko forgot my password so I got the popup box which was good to test but completely unexpected and 2 it got into a sync state with my inbox that meant it wasn't updating. It worked fine on another folder and then eventually got unstuck on the inbox\n funny, my inboxseems constantly stuck\n popey, hey are you around?\n DanChapman: I'm wondering if that issue is down to using more than 1 email client. IE if claws/thunderbird/evolution moves a mail while dekko is syncing that it screws up the sync\n renato__: ya\n popey, could you approve this MR: https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-calculator-app/1332567/+merge/225225,\n ogra_: ^ did you have another email client filtering by any chance?\n davmor2, a ton :)\n popey, this is very critical, the calculator is doing wrong math :D\n one on every device\n oh i thought it had already been approved\n popey, and this is pending for a while\n blamepopey\n renato__: thanks, will update in store later today\n popey, thanks\n popey, if you update in the store its get update in the image?\n hi all, anyone have recommendation for javascript game library which play nice alongside with ubuntu sdk?\n renato__: ya\n popey, nice\n ogra_: can you sync another folder?\n popey, a question about the store. If a package get update in the store should I get any notification on my device about updates?\n davmor2, it doesnt show my subfolders under Inbox ... so no, i cant\n (and i'm happy to only have inbox)\n ogra_: meh that's a shame\n popey, I am asking because I never got notified :(\n depends\n davmor2, nah, i like that ... i want only important mails on my phone ... and these are the unfiltered ones that land in inbox\n if they're in the image that you update to, then you get them via that way\n renato__: if you dont update your phone image, you'll get them via the store\n ogra_: also what happens if you sync and keep the phone awake I'm wondering if once the app loses focus it loses it's internet connection and that stops the sync and it never recovers\n well, it will need to use the push service in the long term i think\n probably not in the first iteration :)\n nik90_: please ping me about it tomorrow as I'm leaving for the day, then I'll have a look\n nik90_: or feel free to send me an email with a summary\n oSoMoN, o/ Could you ping me when you have 5 minutes please? It's about a segmentation fault with Oxide\n DanChapman: also multipart emails don't show you just get a message that it can't show it you :)\n rpadovani: check if you have \"webview\" in your apparmor file\n davmor2, yes multipart messages that do not contain a text/plain part and say only have an html counterpart cannot be displayed (Well they can but it will always download all content, which is bad) there is a bug in webkit that we can't do multiple async requests in order to intercept and prompt for user permission to download content\n rpadovani, ping, what\u00e2\u0080\u0099s up with that segfault?\n DanChapman: I think this was plain text let me double check though\n DanChapman: Ah there we go so the main body was plain text there was a store logo and a white square which were html only\n davmor2, right ok, that's strange. What is the message you get when you open it?\n DanChapman: http://davmor2.co.uk/~davmor2/screenshots-phone/device-2014-07-07-144040.png\n davmor2, thanks, so there seems to be no logic for multipart/related atm. Looking at http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2387 seems that it should be treated as multipart/mixed which makes it easier to pick out the plain text parts. I'll file a bug for that\n DanChapman: thanks\n popey: do you know the status of the content-hub work in the music app? I know the guys were working on it last week..\n bfiller: andrew was having some difficulties and wanted to get some time from kenvandine, but he was on vacation, but back now?\n popey: yes he's back\n bfiller, yup... back now :)\n ok, will get an update from andrew when he's online later and poke kenvandine\n kenvandine: welcome back ken :)\n kenvandine: did ahayzen mail you about content-hub in music?\n (also, wb)\n popey: I know he was talking to Elleo as well\n yeah, I dont know if he got all the answers he wanted, last spoke to him on thursday\n will poke when he's online\n popey, i don't think so, but i am drowning in emails\n i can imagine \u00e2\u0098\u00bb\n kenvandine: what this tell you about time off, it's not good for you damn it ;)\n kenvandine: I don't think the original email was sent to you, but it looks like I CC'd you in on my reply (\"Re: content-hub examples\")\n davmor2, one way to look at it...\n Elleo, ah, i see that one\n popey: Just wanted to say: I saw your post on G+ last Friday about new stuff landing, and it's really cool to see the icon for my program in your dash.\n Elleo, oh... file locations...\n at least for the near term, that needs to be up to the app\n fdasdf: which one is yours? \u00e2\u0098\u00bb\n i'm really not excited about the idea of the hub needing to ensure apps have proper permissions to files\n popey: failsauce\n kind of the whole reason my the hub exists :)\n fdasdf: haha\n fdasdf: needs more trombone noises\n kenvandine: yeah, that's hard for QML apps though; I did wonder about adding a copy/move function to the QML bindings, that way they'd be doing the operation in the confinement of the app but it sounds like the music app is going ot have difficulties if the files aren't in place before it starts\n popey: I can't get the emulator working in the sdk, so I have no way to see any feedback, any chance you could tell me what the reviews say?\n kenvandine: although arguably that's something that needs fixing in the music app, since really it should be able to accept new music arriving at any time\n Elleo, yeah, i think that makes sense\n popey: I had to use CC sounds, but I'll work on releasing v1.01 with enhanced fail ;)\n it would be a nice convienence for qml apps\n yeah\n Elleo, similar to why i added toDataURI\n kenvandine: yep\n DanChapman: Also it's not an Error that the email client disconnected due to inactivity It's deliberate :)\n ContentItem.move(\"destPath\")\n maybe\n yeah\n fdasdf: \"awesome! made my day\" and \"could have more sounds\"\n and in the QML bindings, confinement would protect us\n fdasdf: one 5*, one 3*\n popey: I'm going to have to step up my game then. ;)\n I appreciate the help\n np\n kenvandine: changing the subject slightly, could you potentially create a 2d top down zeldaesque game in bacon2d?\n heh\n davmor2, potentially :)\n but... considering i'm mostly spending my spare time working on the engine... hopefully i'm enabling other developers to create a zeldaesque game :)\n fdasdf: what I'd love to see in the store is a simple audio recording app\n popey, i guess he didn't like that idea :)\n popey: need jhodapp to fix audio recording in media-hub first surely?\n davmor2: yeah would love to have that, not going to happen for release\n davmor2: it'll just be for camera recording\n awwwww\n jhodapp: Shame on you ;) It's almost as if the release was imminent :D\n haha\n jhodapp: have we tested what happens when you get a call while making a video?\n ( I saw someone doing this on ios recently and it made me wonder )\n popey: I haven't personally, no...that'd be a great test though\n popey: ooooooooo you see people\n kenvandine: when you get a chance could you review these two MRs together? https://code.launchpad.net/~michael-sheldon/gallery-app/finalize-transfers/+merge/225830 and https://code.launchpad.net/~michael-sheldon/content-hub/fix-export-finalization/+merge/225831\n ios users though\n so dead to me\n popey: that'd be a good thing to add to the camera test plan\n popey: haha\n lol\n jhodapp: indeed\n kenvandine: gallery wasn't finalising transfers when receiving files, so .cache wasn't getting cleaned up until content hub shut down, but I found that content-hub was closing receiving apps when finalizing() which I don't think is the correct behaviour, so there's an MR for that as well\n ah, ok\n kenvandine: otherwise you say you want to open something with gallery, and then gallery gets closed as soon as it's finished the import\n kenvandine: but you may want to double check that I haven't missed some case where it actually should have been doing that\n jhodapp: oh, so audio recording is known broken in camera?\n yes\n jhodapp: just tested, and it carries on recording when you get a call\n if you reject it that is\n popey: oh cool, I assume that's what iOS does?\n i think ios stops, lemme test\n Elleo, both of those branches look great, i need to test still\n Elleo, i'll do that once i finish the settings testing\n kenvandine: okay, thanks :)\n Elleo, good catch on the closing on finalize\n :)\n renato__: ping\n nik90_, hi\n renato__: hey :)\n jhodapp: that might all change though when the sound recording lands of course I'm assuming that currently you are not using sound so you don't get it stopped when mediaplayer plays a sound right?\n renato__: i am having a small issue with setting custom sounds to the alarm in the clock app\n davmor2: correct...it'll still work even when audio recording lands...recording isn't going through media-hub at all\n jhodapp: in which case it will likely pause in a similar fashion to media player and music\n davmor2: straight from pulse audio\n renato__: The new clock app sets the correct file path to the alarm object and on reading .local/share/evolution/something/task.ics, I can see that the correct file path is attached\n renato__: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7760597/\n jhodapp: boo!\n renato__: however when I read the alarm, the sound url is empty\n davmor2: but I do need to check with rsalveti's changes with pulse-droid...he might be \"corking\" the input stream as well when a call comes in, in which case it would pause\n davmor2: but I'm pretty confident he's only corking output channels\n Kaleo: love the new camera app btw, nice work\n renato__: do you have any ideas why that might happen?\n renato__: I am testing this in a branch at https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/add-custom-sound-backend/+merge/225812\n nik90_, could you create a small qml example, and report a bug against eds and skd, this will help me and sdk guys to figure out where is the bug\n renato__: yeah I will do that\n oSoMoN, sorry, was study, are you still here?\n *studying\n rpadovani, yes but about to leave, you pinged me about a segfault, right?\n oSoMoN, yap\n rpadovani, do you have more details?\n oSoMoN, I updated the reminders app to use Oxide, and it works when it's in tablet mode, but when it's in phone mode it crashes\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/7760088/\n davmor2, ahh yes that's very true :-), a quick look at it and it seems it coming from the networkError signal hence I set the generic 'Network Error' title. I think when auto reconnect is implemented that should disappear anyway\n oSoMoN, in side mode the webview is in a side view, and in phone mode is in a pagestack. I'm not able (yet) to reproduce out of the reminders app, maybe is a combination between reminders & oxide, maybe with the bt you're able to tell me what's wrong\n rpadovani, gotta leave for today, would you mind filing a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/oxide/+filebug with as many details as possible, and assign to me?\n DanChapman: I don't mind the notice. However being told there is an Error is kind of alarming :)\n oSoMoN, sure :-)\n rpadovani, thanks, I\u00e2\u0080\u0099ll take a look tomorrow\n thanks to you\n jhodapp, thanks :)\n Kaleo: now we can say we have a camera app :)...that still takes black pictures with flash on :D\n daker, :/\n and why does the HDR button not work ?\n :P\n ogra_, I'm implementing that as we speak\n * ogra_ humps Kaleo's leg \n lol\n i love you 1\n ogra_: are you able to record videos with sound, mine doesn't have sound...\n daker, not implemented yet\n jhodapp is on it afaik\n ogra_: ok\n daker: known limitation, working on audio recording\n jhodapp: thanks\n np\n I have issue loading images from javascript on html5 app, It does not load.. I believe it's because of permissions 'cross-origin' thing. Image folder is under www (in same place as index.html). Do I must use cordova in these cases?\n xeranas: if you use the ubuntu-html5-app-laucher it should work\n daker: but it won't and even worse it does not show errors when I trying to run with --inspector. when I open index directly on firefox it works fine, on chrome 'cross-origin' error displayed (as expected). Have no idea how to debug\n xeranas: if you run the app from QTCreator, you can go to http://YOUR_IP:9221\n daker: on inspector console tab it displays no errors :/\n xeranas: maybe try to hit F5 on the inspector to force the app to reload\n and i think errors will show up\n daker: seems I founded issue. Issue was that that library which I use tried image render using WebGl, changed into Canvas and problem solved.\n xeranas: ok\n renato__: I created a sample alarm app at lp:~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/alarmtest\n renato__: during my test, I noticed that when I set a custom sound, when the alarm is triggered it actually rings correctly :) however when I output the alarm sound it is an empty string :/\n charles: I forgot to ask, is the phone's global volume connected to the alarm sound volume that you added indicator-datetime setting?\n nik90_, great, could you attach it to a bug?\n charles: or are they mutually exclusive\n renato__: will do\n nik90_, this could be a bug on alarm api or eds plugin code\n renato__: ok...zsombor is on a vacation, so he cant look into the alarm api yet\n renato__: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtorganizer5-eds/+bug/1338697\n Ubuntu bug 1338697 in qtorganizer5-eds (Ubuntu) \"Alarm sound url read from a saved alarm is always empty\" [Undecided,New]\n t1mp, will this new UITK landing have the new header stuff?\n ahayzen: yes\n ahayzen: everything you see here https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+spec/new-header is in the new landing\n *everything that is marked as DONE\n t1mp, sweet! so search will be landing :)\n * ahayzen better now get to work adding support for the music-app\n ahayzen: did you get the info you needed about content-hub? (psst, kenvandine is back from vacation)\n popey, no...\n kenvandine, ping\n balloons: got a minute?\n popey, for you, 2 minutes\n balloons: http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/rssreader-app-click/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/out/com.ubuntu.shorts_0.2.255_all.click\n grab that, push to your device, try and start it\n something broke badly and I can't quite figure out what\n it just doesn't start at all.\n the circles thing comes on screen for a brief moment then slides away, and no app\n no logs from the app\n no apparmor denials\n popey, kk.. I'm on 117, you?\n 117\n popey, mmm.. I see similar :-)\n let's see\n init: Failed to spawn application-click (com.ubuntu.shorts_shorts_0.2.255) main process: unable to switch security profile: No such file or directory\n jdstrand: ^ ?\n * balloons recompiles aa rules\n the profile didn't get generated/loaded in to the kernel\n is there some fu I can run to force that?\n sudo aa-clickhook -f\n ta\n that will also tell you if there is a problem\n aha\n ERROR: Invalid policy version for 'com.ubuntu.shorts_shorts_0.2.255.json'. Skipping\n ahayzen, your questions where related to importing content into music-app right?\n yeppers\n kenvandine, correct\n \"policy_version\": 1\n ahayzen, i'll reply to your email today\n popey: what click framework is it now using?\n ubuntu-sdk-14.04-qml-dev2\n popey, 238 looks the same\n needs to be 1.2 right?\n policy_version should be changed to 1.1 then\n 1.2 is for 14.10\n kenvandine, thanks, here are some extra notes that we came up with outside of the discussion on the thread http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7761273/\n no, wait\n popey, i haven't misssed anything have i? ^^\n I'm reading the wrong merge\n it's 14.10 :-)\n then yes, 1.2 :)\n so yea, 1.2 sounds like..\n popey, your meta-bug needs to be re-done to update policy too\n ubuntu-sdk-14.10-qml-dev2\n balls\n well.. at least we figured it out now.. now that you've done all the updates, but before you pushed them :-)\n indeed\n ahayzen, thx\n popey, every your wish is a command ;-) https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-calculator-app/1333201/+merge/225874\n * popey hugs rpadovani \n will take a look when I have done what I'm doing now\n Please test deeply, they are few lines of code but they change the logical of calculator, hope they don't broke anything\n balloons: I'm just going to fix the security policy version to 1.2, right?\n balloons: can you test pls?\n hi\n hi\n where i am now?\n Birmingham?\n popey, I can tweak shorts right now and test to confirm\n what is this place for?\n balloons: https://code.launchpad.net/~popey/ubuntu-rssreader-app/fix-policy/+merge/225876\n anti_: discussion of development of apps on/for ubuntu\n oh i see ok\n so\n popey, confirmed changing policy version works\n i just started learning C++\n is that good for me\n ?\n balloons: can you review that merge and I'll come back to shorts later\n popey, reviewed and approved\n anti_, see developer.ubuntu.com\n hey guys!\n t1mp, will our current header actions have to be updated as well? or does it all remain backwards compatible?\n if i installed ubuntu on a tablet can i run codes on it is there compieler in ubuntu mobile?\n t1mp, and are there any example implementations yet? :)\n balloons: failed autolanding \u00e2\u0098\u00b9 https://code.launchpad.net/~popey/ubuntu-rssreader-app/fix-policy/+merge/225876\n popey, hmm.. tehe module name is wrong?\n fginther, seems you are playing with rssreader atm\n balloons, I think I broke something :-(\n popey, ^^ :-)\n popey, balloons, I'll rerun the jobs that failed. it should be fixed now\n also https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-calculator-app/1333201/+merge/225874\n that one failed fginther ?\n balloons: http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/terminal-app-click/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/out/com.ubuntu.terminal_0.5.87_armhf.click and http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/clock-app-click/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/out/com.ubuntu.clock_1.0.454_all.click can go into the store\n popey, ack, reverting back the whole change now\n ok, ping when done\n popey, it's rerunning this time\n ok\n popey, clock and terminal uploaded\n ahayzen, ahayzen-mobile: t1mp told me that the current header actions will still work, but if you want to make use of the new features like search mode etc, you will need to use the new API\n ahayzen, ahayzen-mobile: The examples will definitely be part of the documentation that generally comes with qtcreator. Here is my junk branch of the search mode example https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/+junk/searchheader\n ahayzen, ahayzen-mobile: Just make sure to change the Ubuntu.Components version to 1.1. I forgot to do that.\n * nik90_ is too lazy atm to push a fix to it\n balloons: thanks\n kenvandine: ping. Would you have some time to guide me through the content hub?\n balloons: thanks for uploading those, approved them\n balloons: also rejiged the spreadsheet so all the links are together\n oO\n balloons: because i often click both links together, so better havin gthem nearby\n however, we should change the links to actual buttons so they're smaller\n nik90_, thanks :)\n popey, I'll leave that tweak to you\n ta\n balloons: shorts works!\n huzzah\n http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/rssreader-app-click/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/out/com.ubuntu.shorts_0.2.256_all.click\n balloons: can you pls upload to the store?\n popey, done\n thanks\n balloons: http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/calculator-app-click/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/out/com.ubuntu.calculator_1.3.288_all.click last one to upload please!\n popey, uploaded :-) woot nice to have updates!\n balloons: approved\n we need to test https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-calculator-app/1333201/+merge/225874 heavily too\n ohh nice change\n I tested on device (as per comment)\n nik90_, so how do i get the search button and toolbar items for that page to appear in the same header\n nik90_, do i need to append the actions to head.actions ?\n nik90_, rather than putting them as ToolbarItems {} ?\n bzoltan: all four apps updated in the store.\n ahayzen: yes, the new API introduces head.actions where you define the header actions\n ahayzen: toolbaritems will get deprecated later\n nik90_, is that just a list?\n ahayzen: I think so, I need to look at the documentation myself\n nik90_, cool i think it is, and i've just got searching linked up on 1 page\n \\o/\n ahayzen: I sort of have an idea about this by looking at their MP when they were landing to see the code examples they added :P\n ahayzen: nice!\n nik90_, yeah i've just been skimming through\n * ahayzen wonders how the width of the textfield is being calculated\n ahayzen: I wouldn't be suprised if it is right edge of the textfield is anchored to the left of the header action icons\n nik90_, hmm but i don't have any ;)\n popey and frecel: just going through irc backlog. for that apparmor denial (profile=\"com.ubuntu.developer.frecelto.heremaps_example_0.11111//oxide_helper\" name=\"/home/phablet/.local/share/com.ubuntu.developer.frecelto.heremaps/databases/http_m.here.com_0/1\"), did you file a bug report?\n ahayzen: too bad :P\n nik90_, hah\n ahayzen: Why are you trying to find the width of the textfield? I would expect it to do that automatically?\n nik90_, no it just wasn't filling the whole width\n nik90_, i'll continue playing probably something i've done\n ahayzen: oh really..hmm\n * nik90_ is eagerly waiting for the sdk update to land on 14.10...looks at t1mp :D\n jdstrand: i didnt\n nik90_, i just adding the silo lol\n *added\n ahayzen: hmm I could do that as well\n popey: ok, I'll fix it in the next upload\n ahayzen: wait you added the silo..how come qtcreator doesn't show you the latest documentation with it as well/\n nik90_, i added the silo to the device\n ahayzen: ah\n nik90_, and i think there is something weird going on with my cmake projects... if i don't load a qtproject then i don't get the intellisense (or whtever it is called) with any Ubuntu components\n nik90_, i think there is something missing in the cmake somewhere but got more important/fun things to do first :)\n ahayzen: nope thats not your fault..I have the same issue\n ahayzen: however there is a hack for that\n nik90_, i seem to remember the example projects doing something to hack it in\n ahayzen: just open any random qml project along with your main music project\n ahayzen: I created a sample qml app and open that everythign i do clock app devel\n nik90_, hah i used to do tht but then had a workspace with 20+ projects\n :)\n * nik90_ goes to report a bug about this issue\n hah\n nik90_, popey, would you expect the results to be updated as you type or when you hit the enter key?\n ahayzen: my personal preference would be automatic updating as you type..I did that for the clock app city search.\n nik90_, ... hmmm so is a TextInput better than a TextField for this?\n ahayzen: TextInput?\n ...or am i going mad...\n nik90_, using TextField.text didn't seem to pick up the value unless enter was pressed do u have to set a flag somewhere for that to happen?\n ahayzen: bug 1338774\n bug 1338774 in qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu \"CMake projects do not provide syntax autocompletion\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1338774\n ahayzen: also check out http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clock-dev/ubuntu-clock-app/trunk/view/head:/clock/SearchBox.qml\n nik90_, thanks\n ahayzen: I implemented the automatic search using TextField\n * ahayzen should really look at the code for our search page as well :P\n ahayzen: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clock-dev/ubuntu-clock-app/trunk/view/head:/clock/WorldClock.qml\n line 77\n nik90_, thanks\n np\n nik90_, it is like because the predictive text is on... when the text is purple is isn't actually set to the TextField.text\n ahayzen: ah ..but you might want to disable predictive text for that search field since names are nouns\n hmm\n nik90_, but my android predicts as i search...lol\n ahayzen: even for music albums?\n weird\n nik90_, yeah mine has a global search thing which then gives the matching albums/artists/tracks etc\n nik90_, most track/albums/artists would actually be words in a dictionary right? so say i did want to keep the prediction is there any way of figuring out the current text or is that not possible?\n Has anyone seen this error when trying to run the calendar-app autopilot tests: \"ImportError: cannot import name pickers\"? (full traceback here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7762039/) It looks like a setup problem on my end, but I'm having trouble finding what I'm missing. I can run the autopilot tests for several other apps without obvious problems\n ahayzen: I need to experience the issue first to see how to fix it\n nik90_, hah\n nik90_, i'll continue playing about\n ok\n * nik90_ goes for a really late dinner\n gerlowskija, yes.. you have an old version of ubuntu-ui-toolkit-autopilot\n nik90_, hehe sound like me when i'm at university... oh its 1am ... meh dinner time :)\n ahayzen: lol\n balloons: ah, that might be it. Is there a way I should've known that from the error, or have you just run into it before?\n gerlowskija, mm.. I know it because the new version has the module and the old version doesn't\n and yes I've hit it\n hello\n Ok just checking if I was being stupid. It looks like I have the latest version installed (0.1.46+14.10.20140520-0ubuntu1~0trusty2, which matches the Latest Version, at least according to synaptic). But I'll play with it a bit. Thanks for the pointer balloons!\n gerlowskija, it's not.. if you are on trusty, you have an old version\n I'm wondering, did anyone install Ubuntu on a Chromebook and use it for development (mainly qml using qtcreator)?\n t2mp, I've done so\n my main laptop just broke and I'm considering to get a cheap chromebook as a backup\n balloons: I'm considering an Acer C720, any experience with that?\n balloons: did you use a chromebook with intel or arm cpu?\n c720 should work fine\n I used intel cpu\n use crouton or straight install\n c720 is popular for installing ubuntu\n oh, cool :)\n balloons: did you run qtc on it? or compile cpp code? (qml plugins, nothing huge)\n probably I'll prefer a straight install.. chromeos doesn't give me any advantage when I have ubuntu installed already\n t1mp, t2mp, if i have a TextField for search and no actions on that page... should the search field expand the full width?\n ahayzen: t1mp doesn't hear you because the laptop screen broke...\n t2mp, omg :(\n ahayzen: nope, the header does not set the width of its children\n ahayzen: I am chatting on an ipad with a usb keyboard now... :s\n t2mp, hah ... so do i have to set the width?\n ahayzen: I recommend to put width: parent ? parent.width : undefined in your textfield\n hmm\n t2mp, thanks i'll try tht\n ahayzen: or perhaps anchors.right: parent ? parent.right : undefined is better\n t2mp, I didn't go too nuts on it no.. the c720 is more powerful than whatI was running\n left and verticalCenter anchors are already set by the header, but no right anchor or width\n t2mp, thanks i'll try both :)\n ahayzen: if both work, I would go for the anchors.right :)\n ahayzen: let me know if it works well\n t2mp, yep agreed :)\n t2mp, will do\n ahayzen: TextField has a default width which you are probably getting now\n balloons: ahh.. sounds good :) thanks for the info :)\n t2mp, yeah thats what i was starting to think\n balloons: the disk-size worries me a bit.. but luckily it has one USB3 port :)\n t2mp, would that be an ARM based chromebook?\n ahayzen: no it is intel-based\n * ahayzen has always wondered how cool a ARM laptop with SSD would run\n t2mp, I keep everything in the cloud. development stuff never amounts to much\n I kept an armhf chroot in the cloud too.. that could be annoying to have locally sizewise\n how can I quickly see exactly which Qt version I have installed?\n ahayzen: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=acer_c720_ubuntu1404&num=1\n balloons, just my ~/Workspace/sdk ... has reached 1GB now !\n hobojo: qmake --version\n ahayzen, :p\n excellent, thanks\n bbye\n ahayzen, want to have some fun?\n balloons, define fun\n I'll note you probably should never answer yes to a question like that from me\n balloons, if that means removing my sdk again then....\n ahayzen, no it's migrating to a new test runner\n want to migrate music?\n balloons, ooo\n balloons: yeah, I have most of my stuff in 'the cloud' as well\n and a whole bunch of branches from launchpad\n balloons, yeah that would be cool\n but those I can delete when I am done with them\n t2mp, so the width 'worked' but it goes right up to the right edge... just gonna try anchors.right to see what happens\n ahayzen: parent.width - units.gu(1), or anchors { right: parent.right; rightMargin: units.gu(1)\n ahayzen: the margins for the header stuff still need to be tweaked (also for the touch areas of the buttons which should probably be larger than the icons)\n balloons, i/we/someone badly needs to go through the ap test code... we have 'songsPage' meaning both the page on the tracks tab.... and the generic songs page which you get to after selecting an album\n balloons, then u have chaos with naming of album/artist tab/page/and what was sheets\n balloons, but i'll probably do that once i've got all of these big landings out of the way and everything has calmed down\n t2mp, anchors right with the margin works perfectly :_\n * ahayzen high fives t2mp \n this app of mine is never going to make it to the store haha\n ahayzen, https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1338790\n Ubuntu bug 1338790 in Ubuntu RSS Feed Reader App \"Autopilot tests need to use autopkgtest runner\" [Undecided,New]\n ahayzen, ahh yes.. objectnames probably are confusing.. you can feel free to rename them safely. update the qml, find/replace update the tests\n balloons, this looks like fun :)\n balloons, i think some test names need updating as well\n * ahayzen can't remember if trunk ended up with his renaming of _sheets_ to _pages_\n ahayzen: what's in your ~/Workspace/sdk?\n ahayzen: qtc installs in the system when you install the ubuntu-sdk package\n hello gerry\n * t2mp high-fives ahayzen back :)\n t2mp: hey\n t2mp, every single branch i've branched/made with the sdk.... so this http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7762186/\n ahayzen: ahh.. I delete branches when they get merged, otherwise I get confused with all the stuff I have ;)\n t2mp, hah i just 'close project' in qtc and then forget\n t2mp, i have a nice archive of everything though lol\n I'm old-fashioned, managing directories..\n t2mp, i just sort the folder by desc modification time :)\n seems to work ish lol\n I'm more old-fasioned, I don't use a file browser but a terminal\n I'm sure ls has a parameter for ordering by date, but I don't know that one by heart\n t2mp, yeah it does\n * balloons just wiped old merged branches after reading ;-)\n t2mp, something like ls -ltr is what i would normally do ... sortof looks like later lol\n ahayzen, t2mp: ls -clt\n or ^^\n depends if u want/need the info of each file as well\n just noticed that the results order is reversed\n in yours the most recent is at the bottom\n nik90_, yeah i have the newest at the bottom otherwise i have to scroll\n DanChapman: hey, I tried the cmake branch I told you about and made changes to the desktop file name that you recommended, however I get the error message that \"Could not open desktop file for reading\"\n DanChapman: I installed the latest qtcreator 3.1.1 as mentioned in the email at https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-touch-coreapps/msg00767.html\n DanChapman: the branch I tried was https://code.launchpad.net/~jpakkane/ubuntu-clock-app/utopiccmake/+merge/225694\n DanChapman: if you have any ideas, can you let me know. I would like to be able to run the clock app on a phone or emulator to do some testing.\n Submitted by x x on 2014-05-17 05:09 - 1 month, 3 weeks ago. Status: Pending review\n * bluezone cries\n ahayzen, testing the tweaks to music now :-)\n balloons, awesome :)\n bluezone: which MP are you referring to?\n nik90_, not sure what MP is, this is a desktop app though\n bluezone, are you submitting an app into the Ubuntu Software Centre?\n nik90_, hey just looking now to refresh my brain\n yes\n bluezone: ah\n i think there is a backlog IIRC\n DanChapman: thnx\n at least, i submitted one 2 months ago, went into needs information 3 times because reviewer was having problems building it, but i used dpkg it worked fine from the start, now haven't hears anything for about 3 weeks\n changed everything he asked too :(\n who was the reviewer? maybe he's here\n bluezone: if you are in bad luck he may be on holidays or sth\n think it's davmor but i don't want to push him or anything :D\n bluezone: can always ask him what's up :)\n he won't shoot me? :O\n ahayzen: hey are you able to run any apps on the device? Normal qmlproject apps are failing due to some authentication failures for phablet\n bluezone: you don't have a firewall? ;)\n nik90_, i use my own custom script..... because music-app was always a bit hacky lol\n nik90_, but basically all that now is doing is ... click-buddy --dir . --provision\n ahayzen: ah ok\n How can i store multiple QML objects in an array in a property, i'm sure i've done this before but i keep getting 'Cannot assign multiple values to a singular property' ...\n Ok i think i'll ask i hope i don't get shot/slapped/ignored haha\n [davmor2] is away (Auto-away because client has disconnected from proxy.) i hope he still gets the PM hehe\n nik90_, i have two actions in the header and the drawer button appears is that correct?\n ahayzen: I thought it was 3 actions minimum to trigger the drawer. I could be wrong though\n ahayzen: on my personal app, I see 2 header icons without the drawer\n nik90_, hmm unless i've actually got 3 and one is repeated\n * ahayzen is trying to magically populate the header actions :)\n nik90_, oh sweet yeah it was duplicating which then led me on to find the best solution :)\n ahayzen: how did you repeat them without actually defining it in the header.actions?\n nik90_, so i have a MusicPage defined with head.action set to a search field ... then on each page where MusicPage is used if it needs extra actions then u set head.actions again and it actually adds it...i thought it was gonna replace\n ahayzen: ah\n nik90_, now just need to link the search logic up to filter the pages and job done :)\n * ahayzen isn't sure what select Search on the start page will do yet though\n nik90_, I'm hitting the same \"Could not open desktop file for reading\" for launching on the desktop. Running on device it tries to launch and just dies out output looks like http://paste.ubuntu.com/7762347/. I'm just gonna see if dekko builds and runs from this new QtC as the clock app definately worked both desktop and device the other with just changing the desktop file name\n DanChapman: yeah give Dekko builds a try since I had similar experiences. Previously I was atleast able to run on the desktop, but now even that is completely broken\n nik90_, one thing i did notice when i had it running on the phone (you may already know this) is the Add City animation happens behind the indicator panel and you only begin to see it after the animation has completed.\n DanChapman: unfortunately I haven't been able to run the new clock app on the phone. So I cannot see what's going wrong there :/\n DanChapman: this is precisely why I have been pushing to getting the clock app run on the device\n DanChapman: I have sent a mail to that mailing list thread with the feedback. Let's see where that leads to\n nik90_, ack, well i will try and help you get it sorted :-). Anyway Dekko desktop ran fine so something's going on with the cmake here.\n DanChapman: so Dekko builds fine before and after the ppa install?\n yep all seems good to me so far just going to kick of a chroot build that should be done in about 8+ minutes so we'll see about run on device aswell\n ok\n ahayzen, if you are still up\n balloons, o/\n ahayzen, lp:~nskaggs/music-app/autopkg is the branch\n it works for me\n balloons, blimey not much changed :)\n nope, really simple\n so, to run it\n build a click package, then cd outside of the directory\n then run adt-run -d --shell music-app/ com.ubuntu.music_1.3.517_all.click --- \\ssh -s /usr/share/autopkgtest/ssh-setup/adb\n if you have connected device, it should copy things, setup, and eventually run the tests\n balloons, ok on it..\n with the change you should also be able to run locally in a sandbox, or the emulator\n balloons, ... i'm on trusty?\n ahayzen, ohh hmm\n not sure it's released to trusty\n autopkg that is\n let's see\n adt-run\n The program 'adt-run' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:\n sudo apt-get install autopkgtest\n balloons, autopkgtest: Installed: 2.14.1\n ahayzen, ahh I see\n yep, won't work\n you need > 3\n damn\n ahayzen, does this install?\n http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/a/autopkgtest/autopkgtest_3.1_all.deb\n hmmm could try mounting device in KVM...\n remember wht happened last time we tried to get a utopic autopilot thing on my machine ;) hehe\n ahayzen, this isn't autopilot but :-)\n balloons, i have a utopic VM i'll see if i can figure tht out\n same warnings apply\n i'm mostly curious on how simple a backport would be\n balloons, the v3 one seems to depend on less packages :)\n balloons, http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/autopkgtest vs http://packages.ubuntu.com/utopic/autopkgtest\n * ahayzen senses many many many updates for his VM\n ahayzen, well I'm off to finish tomorrow. I have a few questions, but I left an MP.\n * ahayzen has lost the ability to use bzr \"no support schemes\" :'( \n balloons, oh u renamed ur branch :P\n ahayzen, yea, lol, sorry\n balloons, i thought i was going totally mental....like surely i can branch something i'm not tht sleepy yet\n balloons, hmm can't build the click\n ahayzen, ohh why not?\n balloons, says 'INTLTOOL_MERGE-NOTFOUND: not found'\n ahayzen, check the depends in debian/control\n you are missing some build depends\n then lots of recipe for target failed\n hehe mediascanner2 was missing :)\n oh no still failing...\n ahayzen: do sudo apt-get install intltool for the missing intltool\n nik90_, ah yes it is going now\n balloons, ah bum nexus appears over MTP in virtual machine but not adb\n ahayzen, ohh well. I'm sure there's a way to fix, but I've got a dog to walk\n I may play a bit more tomorrow before merging\n ttyl\n balloons, o/ have fun\n btw, this shouldn't have any effect on the current method for running tests\n nik90_, are you on utopic?\n cool\n nik90_, right so Dekko built and ran fine on device. So I definately don't think it's a QtC issue. And I can't see anything suspicious with the current clock cmake atm. I'll carry on tackling this in the morning. I need some sleep :-)\n balloons: nope on trusty. same as ahayzen...I am running a vm for 14.10 that I use for development\n ahh.. no worries.. you'll be getting an mp for this too tomorrow\n DanChapman: thnx for confirming..have a good nite\n damn kvm why you no adb :(\n nik90_, have you ever used SortFilterModel ?\n nik90_, quick question, is it a requirement you launch using qmlscene or can I try something else using a QQuickView?\n ahayzen: nope not yet\n DanChapman: I am not sure actually\n DanChapman: I think either way we would specify it in the desktop exec line\n ahayzen: hey are you able to use the VM to run apps on a device? I dare not try running an emulator inside a vm. And my VM doesn't seem to recognize the phone attached to my host os\n nik90_, mine sees the device but only mtp not adb :(\n nik90_, not sure how adb would appear in KVM? usb/network host?\n ahayzen: :/...I hate that I need my trusty to do device testing and the vm for coding..so inefficient\n ahayzen: I am not sure...for me under usb, it says no devices detected..which is why I asked\n nik90_, you code in a VM :S\n nik90_, what vm are you using?\n ahayzen: yeah cause I need the latest sdk package since trusty has been dropped officially\n ahayzen: virtual box vm 14.10\n nik90_, ah i just code and then run on device to test .... have you added urself to the group so it can see usb devices?\n ahayzen: in my host device or the vm?\n nik90_, host\n ahayzen: nope,\n * nik90_ tries\n nik90_, IIRC https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox/USB\n ahayzen: bah..You HAVE to logout/login from your session, NOT just restart Virtual Box, after the group change. .. :P\n nik90_, yep and you are using the full VB no the OSE right?\n ahayzen: hmm..I installed virtualbox from the archives ...not sure\n ah\n ahayzen: it says Oracle VM Virtual Box Manager\n ahayzen: am I using the full VB?\n nik90_, IIRC the one in the archives doesn't have USB support 'The first thing you need to do is install Virtualbox from Oracle\u00e2\u0080\u0099s website. It is different than Virtualbox OSE which is included in the Ubuntu repositories because the Virtualbox from Oracle includes proprietary software which allows you to mount USB devices inside you VM among other things. If you already have Virtualbox OSE installed from the Ub\n untu repositories, uninstall it before installing the .deb file from Oracle\u00e2\u0080\u0099s website.'\n nik90_, but this was back in the VB 3.x days it may have changed now lol\n ahayzen: would I need to create the vm again? or are they compatible?\n nik90_, http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/31726/mount-usb-devices-in-virtualbox-with-ubuntu/\n nik90_, 'Note: Any VMs you made with Virtualbox OSE will still work with the standard version of Virtualbox. Uninstall Virtualbox OSE before installing virtualbox from Oracle.'\n ahayzen: I don't want to take the risk of losing this...I spent too much time setting it\n nik90_, yeah :/\n nik90_, there is probably a more upto date article somewhere that one just appeared near the top of google\n ahayzen: thnx\n#ubuntu-app-devel 2014-07-08\n hi t1mp\n good morning\n dholbach: good morning!\n Thanks for approving my app update. :)\n hey nhaines\n no worries :)\n The hard part was figuring out why it has broken in trusty on up. But once that nut was cracked, it's nice to get a quick update (especially since the icon and screenshots updated immediately.)\n zbenjamin: Good morning. Your suggestion helped fix bug 1338807\n bug 1338807 in qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu \"Cannot run or install application on devices and emulator\" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1338807\n nik90_: thought so , so i close the bug?\n zbenjamin: I marked it as invalid since it was a local issue on my machine\n nik90_: awesome thx :)\n zbenjamin: just a heads up, I can no longer stop an application by pressing Ctrl+Shift+F12. However I am able to close the application by closing it manually on the phone. Although I get a deprecated warning http://paste.ubuntu.com/7764259/\n nik90_: yes i know about the deprecated warning\n zbenjamin: ah ok\n nik90_: i will make it go away but i need to make sure it will work on older device images as well\n zbenjamin: I was just bringing it to your attention. If it is already in your radar, fine by me :)\n ;)\n nik90_: always throw issues at me if you have some :)\n :)\n balloons: ping !!\n balloons: did we got anyway we can run autopilots on trusty ?\n zbenjamin: hey if you have some time could you take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~jpakkane/ubuntu-clock-app/utopiccmake/+merge/225694 and provide a code diff? We are unable to get past the \"unable to open desktop file for reading issue\".\n nik90_: just looking at it\n ah\n Good morning all; happy SCUD Day! :-D\n nik90_: can you start the app on the device? for me it seems like the desktop file is named com.ubuntu.clock.desktop instead of ubuntu-clock-app.desktop\n zbenjamin: I cannot run it on the device..the manifest file reads ubuntu-clock-app.desktop\n zbenjamin: hence I renamed the desktop file to com.ubuntu.clock.desktop and tried running\n nik90_: yes, but your cmake file creates a com.ubuntu.clock.desktop\n zbenjamin: when I try to run on device, I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/7764433/\n zbenjamin: which shows it receiving a failed event when trying to start the application. not sure what that failure that means\n nik90_: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7764452/\n nik90_: that made it start on the desktop, on the device i get (process:10496): dconf-CRITICAL **: unable to create file '/run/user/32011/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work properly.\n dholbach: can you please review https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/90/changerequest/ ?\n dholbach: ignore me, you already did\n zbenjamin: hmm\n nik90_: maybe a missing policy?\n popey, anytime :)\n zbenjamin: I think I may be missing the \"calendar\" policy since i use alarms\n hah\n nik90_: yes, now it runs\n nik90_: if you try on your device i would suggest to change the app id while you work on it\n nik90_: otherwise your default clock application might get broken\n zbenjamin: yeah I will do that..\n zbenjamin: when the new qtcreator-ubuntu-plugin hits the archive, would removing the PPA suffice or would I have to purge the packages from the ppa and reinstall from archive?\n bzoltan: ^^\n nik90_: the first step will be to release the new QtC and the plugins to the SDK PPA. Releasing it to the LTS with and SRU is a bigger job.\n bzoltan: i think he has the tools-development ppa\n nik90_: you use the sdk ppa normally right?\n nik90_: zbenjamin: ohh.. the tools-development should be purged\n bzoltan: yeah I was referring to the tools-development ppa and also in a 14.10 VM\n zbenjamin: yeah I use the sdk ppa normally\n nik90_: the tools-development will have the experimental stuff .. kind of unstable SDK for beta testing\n bzoltan: ah ok..so I will purge the ppa once the new releases hit the archive in 14.10 and continue normally\n nik90_: I would purge it when the new release hits the SDK PPA.. landing to the Trusty archive will take some time I am afraid..\n nik90_, morning :-) so you have it working now?\n nik90_: I think one problem with the utopiccmake branch of the clock app is that the desktop.in file has wrong name. The manifest file states that the desktop file is ubuntu-clock-app.desktop but the app folder has the com.ubuntu.clock.desktop.in\n nik90_: I think the project needs some name syncing and then it will work\n nik90_: zbenjamin: I am afraid that some tools get confused with the ubuntu-clock-app vs. com.ubuntu.clock names\n bzoltan: yes, i told nik90_ how he can run the project and i work on a way to make the desktop finding for local projects more stable\n zbenjamin: working on it means that I should wait for a fix before this release?\n bzoltan: what i will do is: ask the manifest file in the project dir for the name of the desktop and search it in the builddir and project dir, if i cannot find it i use the hookname as base for the desktop file name, if i cannot find that i use the project name and then fail if there is still nothing\n bzoltan: code is ready i'm testing it now\n zbenjamin: that makes sense\n zbenjamin: take my money and gimme the code! :D I want it ..\n bzoltan: i will push it to one of the 2 branches in the SIlo\n popey: ping\n zbenjamin: cooool\n mihir: pong\n popey: could you confirm the other scenario i commented it on device ?\n https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1338956\n Ubuntu bug 1338956 in Ubuntu Calendar App \"Date/time changer hidden when textfields have focus\" [Medium,New]\n * popey looks\n mihir: left a comment\n popey: thanks :)\n zbenjamin: cool!\n bzoltan: its in the manifesttest branch, have fun ;)\n bzoltan: yeah I realised that..zbenjamin sent me a code diff to get it working on the device\n DanChapman: Good morning :-)\n DanChapman: yeah after making a couple of changes, it seems to be working\n DanChapman: I am going to create a new branch and do some testing and if they are ready, I will propose a MP\n DanChapman: good lord, the new clock app looks terrible on the device\n * nik90_ got lot of work to do\n nik90_, hehe :-) yes there is quite a difference isn't there\n nik90_: terrible how?\n popey: as in the background image is not placed correctly and the animation is incorrect\n popey: my development fault..not the design :)\n DanChapman: :)\n ouch! 50% CPU usage just viewing my inbox and leaving it open, spikes to 100 as soon as I start scrolling. That's BAD!! :-/\n popey, ^^ could you confirm you get the same for me please :-)\n let me see\n nope\n sat at inbox its idle\n sorry, sat at \"Mail box\" it's idle\n tapped inbox, now it's busy busy\n ~52%\n :-/\n also 28% unity8\n and it's not actually getting mail\n I'm seeing old mail\n i hit the sync button and the popup appears at the bottom then goes away\n but it's not syncing my mail\n meh that sucks. Try going back and then back into Inbox does it fetch them?\n yes!\n cool not totally broken then. :-)\n hah\n ever the optimist\n popey: http://imgur.com/mAWajsc\n nice\n zbenjamin: hey, I tried changing manifest.json to manifest.json.in to configure some variable during the build http://paste.ubuntu.com/7765084/\n zbenjamin: however when I run on device, I get \"Custom Executable: Could not find the executable, please specify one\"\n zbenjamin: what is it referring to? Cause in app/CMakelist.txt, this is done for the .desktop.in file as well\n DanChapman: may be you might know this ^^\n https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/fix-click-packaging/+merge/225946\n nik90_, ahh yes i've seen that. From what i make of it QtC looks at manifest.json to determine how to execute it. You do no actually need the .in extension in order to configure it. I ended up just leaving it as manifest.json to work round it\n DanChapman: but when I put variables such as @PROJECT_NAME@, they are not replaced with the proper values during build\n DanChapman: they stay as @PROJECT_NAME@ instead of ubuntu-clock-app for instance\n DanChapman: nevermind you were right..so I did configure_file(manifest.json ${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/manifest.json) without renaming it to manifest.json.in\n nik90_, :-D do you use the bzr revno in the manifest? if so it might be worth sticking configure_file inside an add_custom_command() so it get's configured on each build and you always have up to date bzr revno\n DanChapman: yup I am using bzr revno in the manifest\n oSoMoN, thanks for all your suggestions for reminders, and for the workaround :-)\n mzanetti, if you want to take a look: https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/reminders-app/upgradeToOxide/+merge/225737\n rpadovani, you\u00e2\u0080\u0099re welcome, thanks for filing the bug in the first place!\n oSoMoN: yeah, thanks a lot for helping out!\n rpadovani, note that I\u00c2\u00a0submitted a fix for oxide, hopefully it\u00e2\u0080\u0099s merged soon and makes it into version 1.1.1\n oSoMoN, cool!\n rpadovani: quite busy atm... will review it later, maybe only tomorro\n w\n ok, see you tomorrow then :-)\n balloons, o/ Could you help me to undestand what's wrong with this Jenkins failure?\n https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-calculator-app/1333201/+merge/225874/comments/544686\n rpadovani: just re-triggered then noticed (pending - Jenkins is about to shut down )\n rpadovani: will take a look when it comes back\n thanks\n Anyone work on the UITK here? Or know how to have Dialogs and the OSK interact well?\n ogra_, hey, when/if you get a chance could you try http://people.ubuntu.com/~dpniel/dekko/click/com.ubuntu.developer.dpniel.dekko_0.2.1-dirty_armhf.click and let me know if the message list is still not updating for you\n DanChapman, busy atm, but will test later and let you know :)\n thanks !!\n ogra_, that would be great, thanks. :-)\n popey, care to give a review for autopkgtest? https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/ubuntu-calendar-app/autopkgtest/+merge/225910\n nik90_: about the .desktop file\n bzoltan: ?\n bzoltan: I got a working branch now at https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/fix-click-packaging/+merge/225946\n nik90_: the desktop file name is wrong, you better chane in the cmake files how the desktop file is named or in the manifest file\n nik90_: nice :) let me test it\n bzoltan: yeah. I made sure that the cmake, manifest and desktop file name point to ubuntu-clock-app.desktop\n bzoltan: :)\n nik90_: you rock!\n bzoltan: I just did the finishing touches..most of it was done by zbenjamin, jussi and help from you and DanChapman\n nik90_: in the meantime I have a release candidate with a more tolerant run/packaging logic\n bzoltan: awesome\n nik90_: Yes :) I know. I have spent some hours today on figuring out what should we do and what should the app do... I think we have a good compromise\n bzoltan: looking forward to it\n nik90_: good to go http://picpaste.com/clock-pm4MxUiE.png\n bzoltan: https://plus.google.com/113051860352311525753/posts/aw7WDck2Wrr :)\n bzoltan: I just need to do one more thing before merging it. I want to introduce variables like @BZR_REVNO@ to the manifest.json file to ensure that the version is automatically updated.\n bzoltan: I will have a go at it tomorrow\n nik90_: I push this QtC plugin release thru the CI and push an update to the tools-development PPA for trusty testing\n nik90_: good job! thank you!\n bzoltan: yeah sure, I have the PPA installed, will test it\n kenvandine: ping again, about testing the content hub.\n hey elopio\n kenvandine: hello! Let me tell you about our scenario and then you can decide if you want to run away :)\n sure ;)\n elopio, i'm running out to lunch in about 10m or so :)\n but i won't be running away from you\n kenvandine: rhuddie is writing tests for the address book + gallery integration. We have a test at a really high level that will open the address book, click the contact picture, select a picture from the gallery picker and get back to the addres book.\n but we want a lower level to get faster feedback that what we would get with this one.\n so we are trying to test the address book in isolation.\n we have two options:\n 1. use a fake content hub dbus service, and check that when we click the picture, the right messages are sent to the content hub.\n so what you want is something on the service side that responds to the request without actually opening the gallery\n 2. use a test peer that will communicate to the address book during our test.\n kenvandine: right.\n i wonder if we could have a test peer that has no UI\n just automatically charges the transfer\n and exits\n kenvandine: that would be the perfect #2 option.\n so, we started with option #1 because option #2 is testing too much of the content hub\n i prefer testing more of the hub itself :)\n but now we have half of the service and there are too many methods to implement and it's becoming hard to read.\n blurred lines of integration testing :)\n yeah... it'll be hard to maintain as well\n another 3rd option\n add a test mode to the hub\n so when run in test mode\n it automatically charges import requests\n etc\n kenvandine: yes, we found the hard way :) As content-hub is a direct dependency of address book, it wouldn't be that bad to fully excercise it during the autopilot tests.\n kenvandine: oh, that would be magic.\n it would...\n but, personally i'd like the integration tests to test more of the hub\n no need to maintain the test peer either. It would be like an integrated test peer.\n i know isolation can be good for just testing the address-book\n but if we exercise the hub it would help find hub bugs... which is otherwise hard to test\n kenvandine: so you vote for option #2? rhuddie: sounds good?\n that's my vote :)\n option 3 is my second pick\n kenvandine: we still can add a lower level test in addition to this one, for fast feedback without using the content hub\n but more work\n elopio, kenvandine, #2 sounds great. We would obviously need to configure the hub in test mode whilst running our test\n that would be QML, just checking that we call the right content hub declarative.\n rhuddie: that's option #3.\n but since the hub has no UI, integration testing of the service relies on apps like this\n option #2 is the test peer without UI that just replies with a picture.\n the test peer could just see a transfer request for a picture and immediate charge it with a picture\n it could handle all the types\n and even multiples\n yes, #2 sounds ideal for what we need\n if ContentType.SelectionType is multiple, it could charge it with several\n etc\n kenvandine: do you have some time to help us with this test peer?\n and it helps test the hub, which is not well tested atm\n i think so\n bfiller, mind if i spend some time this week on that?\n after the move stuff the music-app needs?\n i think it could be a big win for testing :)\n kenvandine: it will be. You will earn a sticker with a smiley face from QA to wear proudly during the next sprint :D\n kenvandine: last thing before you go to launch. We also discussed a little about seeding some autopilot tests for the examples on the content hub.\n would that be useful for you?\n i love stickers :)\n seeding?\n adding autopilot tests using my examples?\n kenvandine: yes, seeding is adding two or three initial tests to show devs how to make more, and help them when they want to add more.\n that would be awesome :)\n and much appreciated\n good. I'll see if we can schedule somebody to write them next week. I think I'll have time.\n kenvandine: you have been really useful. Thanks. Lets wait for bfiller.\n cool\n * kenvandine likes being useful\n i should be able to do it\n elopio, kenvandine, thanks a lot\n elopio, your first use case is testing selecting a photo for addressbook right?\n kenvandine: yes.\n address book also shares contacts\n but i guess that's the other direction :)\n for now... i don't think sharing vcard over mms has landed yet\n then we'll need the test peer to provide a vcard\n i'll start with a photo, and we can add more later\n kenvandine: brendand is close to that scenario, working on the integration of messaging app and address book. So we will be bothering you often.\n you had your chance to run\n haha\n it won't be hard\n and i'm excited about getting the hub tested more\n it's a tough thing to test by itself\n we have unit tests\n so this will be very useful :)\n ok, i'm heading to lunch... bbiab\n buen provecho.\n popey, there is a user that is a couple of weeks that spams on a lot of bugs on lp. THere is nothing you can do? :-)\n rpadovani, i'm stepping away, but would love to hear about your first experiences with bacon2d\n kenvandine, I'll be more precise on next days but....\n rpadovani: yeah, i just saw that myself\n fucking awesome :-)\n haha\n rpadovani, sweet... well feedback is welcome :)\n * kenvandine really leaves now\n kenvandine, see you, and thasnk :-)\n ping artmello. Can I bring your attention to this branch?\n https://code.launchpad.net/~rhuddie/gallery-app/add-photos-page-object/+merge/225962\n kenvandine: should be fine\n beuno, can scope authors specify screenshots and icons and will they be used anywhere?\n dholbach, yes, in the scopes scope\n ok cool\n DanChapman, so i tested your new click ... but i get an error pop up that is sadly cut off on the sides\n DanChapman, starting the app newly works without error but the last message in my inbox is still from saturday\n * ogra_ wonders what to delete in his homedir to make sure to start afresh\n beuno, do we basically tell folks to \"click build .\"\n ?\n beuno, or is there something in the SDK to do it\n ?\n ogra_ :-(. If you wipe the config ~/.config/com.ubuntu.developer.dpniel.dekko/ it will destroy & recreate the the cache on setting up again\n ok\n i tried a bunch of the former troijita clicks, perhaps there is some mess left over\n popey, on the next file manager app meeting (or perhaps in e-mail), could you remind the guys to review each other's branches? This would take 3 MRs off the red and orange list\n ogra_, what imap server/service do you use? I've tried that click on loads of different ones today (dovecot, cyrus, gmail, hotmail and exchange) and they all worked reasonably well, bar gmail but thats a braindead server anyway :-)\n dovecot in my LAN\n elopio: i removed the skip on this MR: https://code.launchpad.net/~artmello/gallery-app/gallery-app-reenable_AP_test/+merge/225978\n elopio: but it seems to fail on Jenkins\n elopio: probably we need the changes on the MR you mentioned\n dpm, kyleN, mhall119, popey: do you know if there's anything in the SDK which lets me write and package a scope as a click, or would I have to just \"click build .\"?=\n sorry, just run \"click build .\"\n dholbach, there is not yet support for click packaging in the SDK's scopes templates IIRC\n dholbach, I took a hard look recently at pkging scopes to click.\n i do not\n dholbach, I don't know how they are built\n zbenjamin, do you know? ^\n one can build them.\n artmello: thanks! rhuddie will be helping you getting it to stable.\n ok, so \"click build .\" it is\n that'll take some more doc writing then\n what I do is use the SDK cross building to create the arch specific .so file and etc (that's Cmake and Build in the IDE)\n then I run script to create tmy clickdir with the contents and structure I want, grabbing files from the source dir and the build dir as needed\n then I click build clickdir\n DanChapman, ok, i wiped everything and started over ... lets see if it updates once i get a new mail :)\n thanks kyleN\n beuno, dpm: so that's a bit more than \"just take the 'publish app' docs\" then\n dholbach, yw.\n dholbach, yes, the existing scope templates in the SDK need to add support for packaging, essentially\n until then I guess I'll need to write something up\n DanChapman, hmm, i sent myself a test mail and it showed up ... that looks a lot better, i guess the old crift i had around might have caused the issue\n hmm\n ogra_: oops sent you an email :P\n but it doesnt like to show me the content of that mail\n i wonder if thats due to my gpg signature\n argh\n now it doesnt show my inbox content but the inbox subfolders instead\n nik90_, heh, thanks ... but i only see it on my laptop\n :)\n seems i'm back to the state where it doesnt update anymore\n ogra_, clicking on the progression arrow shows the subfolders. Click anywhere else and it opens the maillist for that mailbox.\n darn so it's done it again\n ah\n thats pretty cool !\n (if you know about it ... )\n aha\n \"y108 BAD Error in IMAP command SELECT: Invalid QRESYNC parameters\"\n thats what i see in the log\n yup, every time i tap on the reload button this line appears\n yeah it's the not the clearest of ways to navigate the mailbox tree. Ideas welcome :-)\n Ahh great that gives me something to work on\n dpm, zbenjamin, kyleN: do you know if there's a bug open for making the \"package my scope\" workflow happen in qtcreator?\n dholbach, sorry, not sure.\n dholbach, not that I know of.\n bfiller, cool\n ogra_, could you try wiping just the cache under ~/.cache/com.ubuntu.developer.dpniel/dekko.\n done\n same error\n dpm, kyleN, zbenjamin: filed 1339237\n bug 1339237\n great!\n bug 1339237 in qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu \"Publishing scopes should be as easy as it is for apps\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1339237\n thanks dholbach\n dpm, beuno: udpated developer.u.c/publish/ with some very simple and preliminary content on how to publish scopes - I'll start a conversation with all related teams to improve it together - this should be a team effort\n thanks dholbach!\n dholbach, sweet, thank you\n dpm, I'll mention the mail you just sent\n awesome\n ogra_, if possible could you try one last thing for me in ~/.config/com.ubuntu.developer.dpniel.dekko/com.ubuntu.developer.dpniel.dekko.conf could you add, \"imap.capabilities.blacklist=QRESYNC\" and see if that resolves it. I need to implement some kind of logging to better address this further, but hopefully that should get it working for you temporarily\n DanChapman_afk, that seems to help\n yo popey\n or mhall119\n nik90_, t1mp, has the new SDK header stuff landed yet?\n ahayzen_: looking at the ui-toolkit trunk it seems so\n nik90_, hmmm so should jenkins be failing with this? http://91.189.93.70:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-utopic/927/testReport/junit/music_app.tests.test_music/TestMainWindow/test_add_song_to_queue_from_albums_page_with_mouse_/\n nik90_, specifically 'PageHeadState is not a type'\n ahayzen_: it shouldn't be technically..I will have to check in my utopic vm if the update has landed though\n nik90_, ah yes good plan... i'll check as well\n nik90_, so what are you doing about the trusty coreapps PPA now? as the app won't run on trusty?\n ahayzen_: we cant do much :/\n nik90_, :( no way of gettting it to run on trusty? i guess it would need qt5.3 as well...not as simple as before where someone could just copy the uitk packages over\n ahayzen_: exactly...Qt 5.3 is required and I dont think they have the time to backport it\n nik90_, no damn so guess we'll have to turn off the recipes for trusty then\n nik90_, my utopic machine says there is a 07/07 build so jenkins should have got that?\n ahayzen_: it should be 0.1.48+14.10.20140707-0ubuntu1 so yes\n ahayzen_: I am not sure about jenkins though\n ahayzen_: may be it hasnt been updated\n ahayzen_: I got a small issue. I am using the QML FolderListModel to show the ringtones folder. However on the phone it appears empty while on the desktop it works as expected. I ensured that the package is installed on the phone\n nik90_, if you go to system-settings and then click on the ringtones do they play for u?\n nik90_, they haven't been working for me in the recent images\n * nik90_ checks now\n nik90_, maybe that is part of the issue\n ahayzen_: yeah I don't hear it either\n ahayzen_: but that shouldn't be a reason for not displaying the files either?\n ahayzen_: or perhaps it is a permission issue?\n nik90_, unless they have moved... or more likely that :)\n ahayzen_: nah, I checked the filesystem manually. They are in the folder I specified\n nik90_, so permissions then?\n nik90_, who are the files owned by?\n ahayzen_: not sure\n nik90_, what is the output of a ls -l on the folder?\n ahayzen_: root\n nik90_, thats the issue\n ahayzen_: but I am only reading the folder and not writing into it\n nik90_, we had music files not playing when they were root ... try changing them to phablet and see wht happens\n hi guts\n ahayzen_: I tried sudo chown -R phablet Ubuntu.ogg\n ahayzen_: however it says it is a read-only system\n for some reason\n nik90_, ah u may have to make it writable to modify the files but these should probably be readable by default\n true\n I will check with seb128 to see if the system settings apps not being able to play ringtones is an issue\n * nik90_ needs to reboot his system\n cool\n hi\n some one out there??\n guys need some help plzz\n ??\n some one??\n ??\n ??\n#ubuntu-app-devel 2014-07-09\n hi\n some one here??\n need some help pozz\n plzz\n ??\n ??\n ??\n ??\n some one??\n ??\n daker: late reply, but what's up?\n mhall119: check pm\n good morning\n dholbach, morning! If you've got a minute, would you mind having a quick look at https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/reminders-app/debian-copyright/+merge/225646 to see if you think is ok?\n dpm, hola muchacho\n dpm, yep, looking\n hola hola, gracias!\n dholbach, so somebody told the Germans they'd get an Ubuntu phone if they'd win, right? :)\n I guess that's what happened :)\n haha ):p\n poor brazilians\n dpm, commented\n dpm, I can recommend the following: for i in `find . -type f`; do licensecheck $i; done\n dholbach, awesome, thanks. About some of the files not specifying a copyright year, is it ok to leave the year blank in debian/copyright?\n yes, just copy whatever the file is saying\n ok\n Good morning all; happy Sugar Cookie Day! :-D\n test\n failed\n popey, i just opened two bugs, one for the sudoku app failure and another for calendar app failures. can someone have a look at them?\n thanks brendand\n brendand: links?\n popey, oh yeah - links!\n they're useful for finding things...\n https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1339627\n Ubuntu bug 1339627 in Ubuntu Calendar App \"test_fill_form and test_add_new_event_with_default_values failed on mako image #120\" [Undecided,New]\n https://bugs.launchpad.net/sudoku-app/+bug/1339616\n Ubuntu bug 1339616 in Sudoku App \"test_profiles fails on mako image #120\" [Undecided,New]\n ta\n brendand: so, my question still stands from the call, why were these two not found when the uitk landing was tested?\n popey, i'm the wrong person to ask - i didn't have anything to do with the landing\n popey, and i have the same question\n true.\n Mirv, can we try and figure out why these regressions got in? for the sake of making the process watertight\n brendand: I've already poked sdk team regarding the sudoku/calendar timeouts so they can try to figure out how/if uitk could cause those\n brendand: popey: sdk team didn't see those errors when validating the release locally. so it's the difference in local vs image testing\n Mirv, which funnily some members of my team are trying to convince me isn't necessary, as 'all issues should be seen locally also'\n Mirv, let's not say it's to do with the CI system though as i can reproduce them here just fine (on my own mako)\n t1mp: ping\n brendand: over time a lot of things haven't been seen locally, but if you do now see these please ping zoltan (he was also flashing 121 in order to retest with that)\n nik90_: hello\n t1mp: Hi, I just moved the new clock app to the new header api. It seems more cleaner\n t1mp: I did have one grief about it though\n t1mp: In the PageHeadConfiguration doc, where you provide actions, backAction and contents, why is it that while using actions and backAction we specify head.actions and head.backAction\n while for contents, we just use it as contents?\n nik90_: popey: I am just about to release the brand new QtC3.1.1 with the latest plugins. I would need few volunteers to try it out with their projects.\n bzoltan: wasn't that the one in the PPA already?\n nik90_: Here https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/+archive/ubuntu/tools-development\n nik90_: this is the the release candidate, I have not pushed it to the official release SDK PPA\n bzoltan: I already have that PPA on my trusty machine.. David planella made a call out on the mailing list asking for testers\n bzoltan: I have been using that PPA for the past 2 days\n balloons: hi\n nik90_: I know :) I asked his help to hire testers\n nik90_: then a dist-upgrade will give you the latest\n nik90_: are you on trusty or utopic?\n bzoltan: yes I was just conveying that I have been testing qtc 3.1.1 and it seems to be working fine\n mihir: My main laptop is running trusty. But I do my development on my Utopic VirtualBox VM\n Hmm okay , nik90_ i guess i have to do the same, because autopilots not running on trusty\n mihir: yeah I suppose\n nik90_: uhm, let me check the docs :)\n nik90_: you mean in the example where I use contents: Rectangle { ... }\n nik90_: that's a mistake... should be head.contents, or head { contents: ... }\n t1mp: yeah\n t1mp: ah\n nik90_: you can group them with head { actions: [...]; backAction: Action { ... }; contents: Item { ... } }\n t1mp: Ideally I would also place backAction inside actions rather than outside it since backAction is essential a special kind of action\n since that's what we did with the old tools as well\n nik90_: yeah, but actions is now a simple list\n t1mp: true\n nik90_: I understand your reasoning, but we thought making actions a list is cleaner, and ideally backAction does not need to be set often (if you use Tabs or PageStack you automatically get a tabs button or back button there)\n t1mp: may I fix the examples bug? I was thinking of including the backAction example in the PageHeadConfiguration page itself since otherwise one needs to navigate back and forth between different pages to see the examples\n nik90_: yes, that would be great :) if you have an MR send it to me\n t1mp: agree\n nik90_: I was thinking that even an actions example can go in the PageHeadConfiguration docs\n t1mp: yup I agree as well\n (now there is only a small example in the Page docs)\n t1mp: when I edit the docs, how do I output it to see if it is formatted correctly or not?\n t1mp: I branched the staging and opened the .qmlproject in qtcreator.\n nik90_: qmake && make docs\n nik90_: that will create a documentation/html/ with the html files inside\n t1mp: ah\n t1mp: in the head.actions definitions, why do you provide text: i18n.tr(\"Search\") ? Do they show up as tooltips?\n nik90_: they show up in the actions overflow popover (if you have more than 3 actions)\n nik90_: the action buttons don't show any text right now, I need to check with the designers if there should be a tooltip or similar\n t1mp: oops, I need to fix that then in the clock app as well :)\n brendand: did you reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/sudoku-app/+bug/1339616 on a pc or local device or only CI?\n Ubuntu bug 1339616 in Sudoku App \"test_profiles fails on mako image #120\" [Undecided,New]\n t1mp: where can I find page.qdoc?\n t1mp: the page documentation doesn't seem to be at Page10.qml or Page11.qml\n t1mp, it was on the local device\n t1mp, the problem is the keyboard gets in the way of the save button\n brendand: oh, did some default behavior change there?\n t1mp, i haven't tested the old behaviour yet\n bzoltan, can you answer some questions about the interaction of Dialogs and the OSK?\n mterry: let me try\n t1mp: ^\n bzoltan, so I'm looking at the ubuntu-system-settings page for setting a password\n bzoltan, it pops up a Dialog SDK element to get the new password and authenticate with the ol\n d\n bzoltan, but the OSK takes up a lot of the space and overlaps some of the elements of the dialog.\n mterry: ahh... that one. We have seen this before\n bzoltan, I tried to use anchorToKeyboard but maybe I didn't use it right? Or does Dialog not use that key?\n I mean, I set it on the MainView\n mterry, bzoltan seems like the same issue that we have now with sudoku-app and calendar\n mterry: I am busy with an other projet but let me pull in t1mp who will help you\n t1mp: yes, that is exactly case there too\n mterry: I think the Dialog is not a child of the MainView, so it wouldn't help\n t1mp, yeah I worried about that. Is there no current solution for it?\n t1mp, is there a bug for this yet?\n mterry: I think not, but two related bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/sudoku-app/+bug/1339616 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1339627\n Ubuntu bug 1339616 in Sudoku App \"test_profiles fails on mako image #120\" [Undecided,New]\n Ubuntu bug 1339627 in Ubuntu Calendar App \"test_fill_form and test_add_new_event_with_default_values failed on mako image #120\" [Undecided,New]\n t1mp, OK. I'll create a new bug specifically about the issue (and link to those bugs too)\n mterry: thanks\n t1mp, bzoltan: bug 1339709\n bug 1339709 in ubuntu-ui-toolkit (Ubuntu) \"Dialog does not appear to support anchorToKeyboard\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1339709\n mterry: thanks\n DanChapman_afk: I hit the tick last night instead of the sync button. Big thumbs is my excuse :) but it meant I was unable to tell what mail was read once I was on my main machine :(\n rpadovani, mzanetti, are you free for the Reminders call today?\n a welcome change to debugging autopilot\n popey: where can I find the apparmor log to see any permission issues on the phone?\n nik90_: sudo dmesg -T | grep DEN\n popey: thnx\n mzanetti, awesome, thanks :)\n jdstrand: I am getting a apparmor denial when trying to read /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/ringtones folder on the phone. Here is the console log http://paste.ubuntu.com/7770323/. What policy should I add to the clock app to be able to read that folder?\n jdstrand: going through http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/apps/security-policy-for-click-packages/, I don't see any policy that would satisfy this.\n dpm, I'm in :-)\n davmor2, Ahh yes that's generally what \"Mark all as read\" does :-D. Sorry about that :-( My intention is to have that further down the toolbar dropdown once some more actions are implemented. But I can see that may still happen quite often with a touch device. Do you think an additional confirmation step would make sense here?\n yay! tty in a minute :)\n DanChapman: Yeah I think so :)\n DanChapman: other than that though I've not had many issues with it :)\n DanChapman, oh, not sure you catched my reply yesterday ... imap.capabilities.blacklist=QRESYNC helps a lot (there are still issues with the refresh button, but going back to the start page and then to inbox gets me a proper update)\n davmor2, That's good to hear! ok cool i'll include that in the next update then :-)\n ogra_, just seen it now. :-) brilliant, so I'm going to sort some proper logging for the IMAP conversation and try and narrow down why QRESYNC is having trouble. The having to go back to home then back to inbox is a known bug atm\n ah, great\n popey, a review: https://code.launchpad.net/~brendan-donegan/notes-app/bug1330352/+merge/226146\n bfiller, or somebody from the phablet team:\n we need a top approval here: https://code.launchpad.net/~brendan-donegan/notes-app/bug1330352/+merge/226146\n I'm sorry I didn't catch it while running the toolkit tests.\n elopio: as for the sudoku-app bug,\n elopio: I left some comments on https://bugs.launchpad.net/sudoku-app/+bug/1339616\n Ubuntu bug 1339616 in Sudoku App \"test_profiles fails on mako image #120\" [Undecided,New]\n elopio: can you confirm that when you resize the window to be less high, and you go to the settings tab, it behaves really weird and you cannot scroll all the way down?\n t1mp_: wait, why are we resizing sudoku?\n elopio: the bug is there because a test fails, because the OSK occludes some button\n elopio: when resizing the mainview (which happens when OSK becomes visible, or at least should happen), the contents should resize too, but this doesn't seem to happen properly\n oh, so you are resizing to reproduce what the osk does.\n give me a second and I'll try.\n also the header doesn't hide when scrolling down, I don't see why\n t1mp_: so, resize the Add new profile dialog so the buttons are out of view, and scroll? yes,that doesn't work.\n elopio: ok, thanks. Now I know that it is not something weird only on my system\n t1mp_: have you been able to scroll on a dialog, ever?\n elopio: even without that dialog something is weird\n wow, that profiles tests in the sudoku app is way too big.\n elopio: so go to the Settings tab without clicking anything\n elopio: then resize.. there is a flickable but you cannot scroll it down to get to the bottom items\n elopio: it seems the flickable is larger than the window\n t1mp_: hum, you can drag but it gets back to the top, right.\n t1mp_, is there anything i need to do to help with https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/panelHeight/+merge/225493 ?\n nik90_, did u get any further with the ringtones issue?\n ahayzen: it seems to be an apparmor denial issue :/\n ahayzen: I couldn't talk to jdstrand today about it\n nik90_, ah i assume that is what is stopping system-settings accessing it as well?\n ahayzen: actually system-settings app is unconfined\n ahayzen: so it doesnt have that issue\n nik90_, hmmm and does it work for u?\n (as in, in the system-settings app)\n ahayzen: nope I cannot hear the ringtone either\n nik90_, :/ hmm strange\n balloons, ping\n ahayzen, pong\n balloons, i'm seeing some epic failures on jenkins was wondering if u could advise what is going on...\n balloons, firstly this mp https://code.launchpad.net/~verzegnassi-stefano/music-app/transparent-bg-for-ubuntushapes-labels/+merge/225589 has caused http://91.189.93.70:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-utopic/935/?#showFailuresLink ... it appears the header doesn't even exist in the app?\n balloons, secondly this wip mp https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/music-app/add-sdk-search-support/+merge/226045 is causing failures which look like it is because the UITK has not been updated to support the new header? http://91.189.93.70:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-utopic/934/?\n balloons, ah the first one is something todo with it not finding Style NewHeaderStyle.qml not found in theme Ubuntu.Components.Themes.Ambiance or Style NewHeaderStyle.qml not found in theme Ubuntu.Components.Themes.SuruDark?\n balloons, but why are we not seeing this locally?\n ahayzen, interesting\n ahayzen, when you run locally are you using py2 or py3?\n balloons, i mean just running the app locally at the moment\n yes.. and how?\n with autopilot or autopilot3?\n balloons, the second example the app isn't even starting...the first there is no header..... oh i mean literally running the app no autopilot\n and on trusty or utopic?\n balloons, on device utopic #122\n I'm confused\n balloons, hang on i'll try running ap on the first one\n lol.. what are we even asking now?\n balloons, why are the apps looking totally different in jenkins to when you run them locally...and therefore causing ap to fail\n balloons, the first mp has no header ... the second the app doesn't even start (it does require latest UITK)\n ahayzen, let's go one at a time\n balloons, ok so with the first mp...i just ran autopilot and got the same issue\n balloons, but i can actually see that the header is there it just states it can't find it\n balloons, jenkins output... http://91.189.93.70:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-utopic/935/testReport/junit/music_app.tests.test_music/TestMainWindow/test_add_song_to_queue_from_albums_page_with_mouse_/ ... my output... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7772226/\n balloons, has something drastically changed in autopilot/uitk helpers or something?\n ahayzen, ok, let me compare\n balloons, note both fail with the same/similar issue...but you can see on the jenkins video the header doesn't even show... whereas on device i can at least see the header\n ahayzen, mm.. so an old version of AP is still being used, as is py2\n I'd like to see this as py3 with ap 1.5\n balloons, hmm i'm running phablet-test-run from trusty to a utopic device\n balloons, oh god i think my verbose output in the pastebin has the app log for every app i've run that was rev #515 lol sorry\n balloons, so what happens if we run trunk on device/jenkins...i suspect bad things\n balloons, ok so this is trunk running the same test... it also fails http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7772289/\n fginther, ping\n balloons, poing\n fginther, I'm trying to make sense of what ahayzen is saying above.. I'm wondering why the tests show running with ap 1.4\n balloons, the test is still trying to detect with python to use, in these case it uses python2 and the means autopilot 1.4 is used\n I saw that bit of logic; how is it determined?\n I can't seem to find the version of the toolkit being used\n balloons, the test checks for any dependencies with 'python3'\n ah so should we update our debian/control ?\n balloons, ahayzen, let me try something first\n as it looks like this at the moment http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~music-app-dev/music-app/trunk/view/head:/debian/control\n all python2 depends\n balloons, now would be a good time to try that 'only python3 tests' again\n I tried this a few days ago and... disaster\n but I'll do it as a separate job this time.\n Let's try this one: http://91.189.93.70:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-utopic-python3/1/\n I have to go afk for a bit, will try to come back to this and update the job if it works\n fginther, yea, the depends fro debian/control are a bit out of date\n balloons, so do we need to update the depends in the control file then?\n ahayzen, I'm hoping to phase it out, but sure I guess it doesn't hurt in the interim\n meaning, I want to get rid of the -autopilot packages\n balloons, what would i update it to for the interim?\n ahayzen, are these tests intended to run on python3 now?\n errr\n balloons, ^^ ?\n ahayzen, balloons, I tried to force them to run with python3 and it couldn't find the tests: http://91.189.93.70:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-utopic-python3/1/console\n I forget if these have to be updated to install the tests into a python3 path\n fginther, do you know of other apps which are using py3 that i could compare with?\n ahayzen, looks like lp:gallery-app\n I have to leave again, may be online again later\n fginther, thanks for ur help so far :)\n#ubuntu-app-devel 2014-07-10\n hello\n dfsd\n hi\n good morning\n morning dholbach!\n and good morning all\n hey dpm\n how's life over there?\n life's good. It seems the temperature here is lower than in Stuttgart, surprisingly, but still sunny :)\n sometimes you better just stay at home :-)\n dholbach: it's like you're a hurricane, except of awesome, not destruction. :)\n haha\n * dholbach hugs nhaines\n nhaines, how's life? how are you doing?\n Pretty good, dholbach. Got asked to write an Ubuntu book proposal by a publisher I like but hadn't talked to before. The only problem is that it's hard work. ;)\n that's the problem with a lot of things in life, right? ;-)\n maybe you could team up with somebody else?\n dholbach: but then I'd have to split the advance! ;) I have a week to do it and they provided some free books that show similar ideas, so we'll see. :)\n :)\n soo what do you guys think about googles new ui ? http://www.polymer-project.org/components/paper-elements/demo.html\n Been using it for a week. It's beautiful. I think it validates the origami-inspired Suru theme.\n nhaines: do you think it will influence the suru theme ?\n dpm, that reminders + oxide error sounds like apparmor prevented you from running it\n dpm, I think you need to change the apparmor profile\n Saviq, ah, well spotted. Is there a particular permission for oxide?\n dpm, there is one for webview IIRC\n justCarakas: not sure about that. Maybe in a year or two. But for now I think we're going to get what we see. Or at least, what we see in two weeks since a lot of new things are landing.\n dpm, do you have the \"webview\" policy group enabled?\n nhaines: fancy, looking foreward to it :)\n gonne give a talk in a moth or so at our company about smartphones without android, ios or win mobile\n Saviq, yeah, we've got \"webview\", but what I'm seeing is that we're using policy version 1.1, and I'm wondering if that's the right one\n dpm, looks right\n probably gonne focus on firefox os and u touch\n dpm, can you see anything in \"sudo dmesg | grep DEN\" or \"grep DEN /var/log/syslog\"\n let me try to run it again\n ah also /var/log/kern.log and /var/log/messages (/me never remembers where)\n yeah kern.log\n ok\n justCarakas: tried to get Jono Bacon to admit to an Ubuntu smartwatch for a couple weeks. No luck. ;)\n nhaines: hehe, well it would be nice, but first get ubuntu touch (or should I call it next :p) to a point where you can actually say to your neighbour hey, why don't you use this, its awesome\n nhaines: and I'd rather first have the tetering option, and the ability to text from my laptop or browser, if that is in there, I'll probaby drop android in a heartbeat\n justCarakas: it's okay, for the fourth week Jono was at SCALE and during his massive Q&A session toward the end when it was just hardcore enthusiasts I got to ask him \"What is your favorite text editor, and why is it nano?\"\n Which got huge laughs, which was fun. Also, turns out it really is nano.\n haha :D\n well when I'm in console I always use nano 2\n Saviq, indeed, it's an apparmor denial: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7774025/\n justCarakas: tethering will come to Ubuntu (or not, I guess) independently of a smartwatch. Hopefully sooner rather than later, since it requires hardware support.\n nhaines: I know, but I think if they would no also start to focus on smartwatches things would slow down too much\n Ubuntu for Fridges!\n oSoMoN, any ideas why I might be getting this oxide apparmor denials (http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7774025/) when trying to run the Reminders oxide branch in the emulator? https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/reminders-app/upgradeToOxide/+merge/225737\n justCarakas: it's highly unlikely the design team are going to be working on tethering functionality though. :)\n nhaines: true, but it also needs an implementation\n dpm, yes, I just answered your e-mail\n Yeah, but those aren't going to be the same people doing the core apps (all community) or the UI toolkit either. :)\n popey the internet of ubuntu things\n But I agree with you: one thing at a time, stay focused.\n Just as I tell people in /r/Ubuntu.\n Which I am now a mod off, which is weird.\n oSoMoN, ah, thanks, I was looking at the wrong file, it seems we're missing that policy indeed\n thanks oSoMoN, Saviq\n i'm going to move out soon, and exept for the mac I use at work all my computers (I have a lot) run ubuntu, so I think I'll start tinkering then with making them \"talk\" to each other\n Nothing like samba and ssh. :)\n Consider byobu if you do lots of commandline stuff!\n nhaines: I'm not on the main channel, I'm just an ubuntu app dev wearing my fronteer t-shirt to work today :p\n dpm, cheers\n also been thinking bout own cloud\n oSoMoN, do you have a bug to track the backport of oxide 1.0.2 to trusty?\n justCarakas: my Pioneer shirt was black, not grey.\n very very dark grey\n should look the bad voltage thing up again where they talked about that stuff if I remember correctly or it might also have been the ubuntu uk podcast, popey do you know (I think you should know :p)?\n I assumed it was because my webapp broke and I only got around to fixing it this week. :P\n dpm, I don\u00e2\u0080\u0099t think so, feel free to file one\n mine is also black, I'm glad it is :p\n looks nicer on me\n Yes, but much warmer. There's been a heatwave lately.\n popey: dark gray is after washing it 100 times and walk a lot in the sun :p\n nhaines: become a ubuntu pioneer, it keeps you warm (nice slogan)\n dpm, when that happens, that will actually be oxide 1.0.3, and for it to happen we have to wait until the 36.0.1985 branch of chromium becomes stable (next week IIRC)\n oSoMoN, I'm happy to, but I've no idea of the plans, or who's working on it. The reason I'm asking is because we will probably need to wait for it to appear in trusty before we land that branch\n I mean before we land the Reminders branch\n as we have a Reminders .deb package that runs on trusty too\n dpm, if it has to run on trusty, then yes, it\u00e2\u0080\u0099s a blocker\n Good morning all; happy Don\u00e2\u0080\u0099t Step On A Bee Day! :-D\n JamesTait: that one is about protecting an endangered species, right? don't step on bees, they're struggling to survive already :-P\n kalikiana, exactly! :)\n https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ9VNbXUFpY # BEES!\n popey, core apps call?\n hi\n is some one out there, need some help plzz\n Diogo_, please ask what exactly you need help with, and then someone can try to give you a hand if they can\n k\n !ask | Diogo_\n Diogo_: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience\n so here is my question i have a propery var i would like to create a new create var by doing for exemple t = q1.text + (q2.text/60) and then store that value and use later on to do for example i have another var like t and i want to multiplie x with t that create var Y divided by 1000 that create var k and to finish off k x 0.101 . is this possible??\n Diogo_, it's a bit confusing but yes, is possible, you only have to create all these vars. What's your doubt?\n dpm, I'll take a look to your comment to oxide MR later today\n i just wanted to know if this whas possible, because thats the formula i have to make the calculation\n Diogo_: should be posible, sounds like basic math\n to create the var t is it like this \"property var t : sumM + sumN\"??\n Diogo_, it depends: if you want to create it as global qml var, yes. If you want to create in a Javascript function, you can use var t = sumM + sumN\n i have joint all the values in those 2 vars\n also, be careful. If you use property var t: sumM + sumN the value of t is set during the creation of the component, and it isn't update when sumM or sumN change\n so, you can update t when you change sumN or sumM\n or you can use something like onSumMChanged: t = sumM+sumN\n rpadovani and do i declare onSumMChanged in the mainview ??\n Diogo_, yap\n because the useres are those who set the values\n Diogo_, where do you declare sumM?\n it has to be a QML var, not a Javascript one\n i clare it as a proppery var in the main view and as i know it's a global right?\n Diogo_, yes, then you can use onSumMChanged\n there i join all the values from the textfields\n rpadovani, awesome, thanks!\n im asking this, because i have a school project and i want to delever the first energy consumption calculator of ubuntu phone\n Diogo_, http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qtqml-syntax-objectattributes.html#property-change-signals\n rpdadovani do i need to write property var to call onSumMChanged: t = sumM+sumN\n Diogo_, yap, t has to be inizialized somewhere\n so that means that first i need to write propery var t : sumM + sumN abd afterthat i can call onSumMChanged\n Diogo_, you can simply declare t: property var t. You don't have to assign it a vaule\n *value\n i like to give it a value, so i dont lose my redenering\n rpadovani can you look at my code to see if it's good?\n Diogo_, sure, where is it?\n can i paste it??\n Diogo_, use paste.ubuntu.com\n here is the link\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/7774513/\n Diogo_, the problem with this code is that the value to property are assigned only on creation of the Component. A property doesn't change itself, you have to assign it the right value every time you change a value of one of the operators\n and what can i do to update the property every time a user enters a value\n because taht calcus is the price of the bill the user will pay at the end of the month\n Diogo_, there are a lot of strategy. Probably the best is to create a function updateValues() that you call when the user change text in a textfield. Or when it press the \"=\" button\n Diogo_, it depends if you want to update in only after an action from user (eg press \"=\" button) or if you want to update all values every time the user change one value\n s/in/all values/g\n i want to update it when the user presses the button\n and if i needed to make that function where did i place it.\n i'll send you my full code so that you can see what i have done if you dont mind\n k\n so that it would be easier for you to help me if you dont mind\n ok\n rpadovani here is the link http://paste.ubuntu.com/7774576/\n Diogo_, so, first of all, you don't need to declare the value of properties. As I said, it takes value on creation, so it's 0\n ok\n Diogo_, then you can create a Button like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/7774607/\n so i remove all those property vars from the mainfiew right?\n Diogo_, no, you need to declare them\n ok\n Diogo_, but you don't need to assign them a value\n popey, I might join Music mid-meeting\n like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/7774620/\n ?\n but if i do this it gives me an erroe\n dpm: the guys aren't here yet\n ok\n Diogo_, remove the ':'\n ok done\n and now rpadovani\n Diogo_, and now what?\n so it's done?\n Diogo_, yes, when you click your botton, results are calculated\n ok i'll check if all is working.\n 2 mins\n Launch time, see you\n ok thnx rpadovani for your help\n dpm\n t1mp_: I got the MP ready for the docs bug at https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/improve-header-api-docs/+merge/226113\n dpm, when I'm back again, I'm happy to help looking at this again\n awesome, thanks dholbach\n popey, copying qtkeychain from the sdk test ppa to the coreapps ppa worked - I'm now waiting for the trusty armhf build to succeed (https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/daily/+build/6162371) - looks like we'll be sorted for the daily builds\n it's a horrible workaround, but ... anyway ... profit! or something ;-)\n sweet!\n I think we're going to need to switch off daily builds for music app soon, as they're going to land things that need Qt5.3\n (trusty builds)\n yeah, that's sort of expected I guess\n nik90_: great, thanks. I'll check it out!\n np\n nik90_: approved :)\n t1mp_: wow..yay!\n popey, http://www.programmableweb.com/category/all/apis?order=field_popularity might be interesting - what do you think?\n handy!\n popey: dpm: Evernote account creation the email address field isn't using the email keyboard layout is that known?\n hi guys\n davmor2: not sure we can do that\n its a 3rd party form\n just a little question, how can i put a var to zerro when clicked on a button??\n davmor2, indeed, it's a web page, and I don't think we can do much with it. But mardy_ would be the best person to ask probably\n popey: I guess we can let them know so they can fix it, I'm assuming that the password field is a standard text field too but I wasn't really paying attention to the keyboard at that point :)\n Diogo_, you can just set it back to 0 from within the buttons onClicked slot\n davmor2, please let us know if you spot anything else while testing Reminders, or feel free to report directly at https://bugs.launchpad.net/reminders-app/+filebug\n DanChapman i dont know how to do that im a noob in qml\n dpm: I was actually just testing account creation rather than testing the app I just happened to notice it :)\n i whas thinking in making an other button to set it to zerro, when clicked\n davmor2, feel free to go ahead with the next step, the app is beautiful! :-)\n an other question, how can i make a textfield to be used optional\n Diogo_, so when a button is clicked it emits a clicked signal, so you can use that signal using the onClicked slot in side the button declaration, \"onClicked: yourVarName = 0\"\n Diogo_, have you followed the tutorial on developer.ubuntu.com? it covers alot of the basics to get you going\n i have kind off\n and asked a lot to other people at askubuntu\n here, and via the [ubuntu-Phone] mail list\n popey et la, there is something funny it seems with jenkins core apps atm.. Not sure where fginther left it last night\n DanChapman thanks for your help :)\n balloons, popey, I didn't change anything last night. I ran an experiment, but it was a one off through a unique job\n balloons, is something borked?\n fginther, th eexperiment was just with py3 right?\n thanks popey for the scopes list\n balloons, yes, it was a test of music-app forcing it to use python3\n balloons, elopio, I'm not sure you were on CC, but we're going ahead with adding reminders to the image\n fginther: we're getting no toolbar appearing on music and calendar tests, causing them to fail\n new sdk release?\n they'd fail on ci daily images too then surely?\n hmm, yes, I would expect it to fail there too\n well, I'm concerned it's still running AP 1.4 and not ap 1.5, but it could also be something with the uitk.. I couldn't find the version it was using last night\n but it was late\n we can build trunk to confirm confirm something changed\n dan\n can i do this t= sumhor + (summ /60)\n here's the run from trunk fginther for music.. http://91.189.93.70:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-utopic/947/ It failed the same way\n http://91.189.93.70:8080/job/music-app-ci/922/\n Diogo_, yes aslong as you either have a \"property t\" in your qml document or \"var t\" inside a javascript function\n dan can i send you some code\n because when i run it it says NaN, what does that mean??\n if you dont mid\n Diogo__, sure paste it somewhere and send me a link\n ok thx :)\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/7775453/\n there is the code\n Diogo__, ok so first question have you got sumquant, sumhor, t etc defined as properties somewhere else in the document\n yes, look property var sumquant property var sumhor property var sumM property var sumV property var sumA property var sumw property var t property var x1 property var y1 property var k property var r\n as global properties, but if you need, i send you the hole code\n great, can i ask what are you trying to achieve here? I feel overwhelmed with all those parseInt's :-D yes the whole document would be easier to try and understand it\n i want to make an app that calculates how much a person will pay in his enrgy bills by asking him to insert the quantaty, (ampers and voltes in case they dont know the watts of from exemple the computer), the hours and minuts\n that will calculate the price\n here is the full code\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/7775481/\n happy birthday Elleo!\n Wow! that's ALOT of TextFields\n yea i know\n 48 to be precise\n :-D right so i believe NaN usually means \"Not a Number\" so my first thoughts are you aren't doing any checks to be sure all of your \"48\" textfields contain a number. You should probably default them to 0 if they are empty.\n in the text i need to set 0\n so that they get 0, if i dont use them right??\n yes\n popey, balloons, I'm going through the packages that have changed since the last successful music-app-ci run. There's a lot. One noticable change is a change in the qt modules from 5.3.0-3ubuntu6 to 5.3.0-3ubuntu7 but I can't say if that is related\n fginther, I mention the UITK, because it landed, and is my first target for what might be the issue\n balloons, taking a closer look at http://91.189.93.70:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-utopic/924 and 928 (both calendar-app). There are fewer changes there, one of them is still libqt5qml5 and friends moving to 5.3.0-3ubuntu7\n balloons, the ui-toolkit specific packages did not change between the 2\n fginther, no it's different: http://91.189.93.70:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-utopic/928/artifact/dpkg-l.pre.log, http://91.189.93.70:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-utopic/924/artifact/dpkg-l.pre.log\n finally found the dpkg log :-)\n Dan i think it's working now :)\n going to do a few tests and then i tell you :)\n balloons, which package are you referring to?\n ubuntu-ui-toolkit-autopilot\n balloons, oh indeed, I was looking at the wrong package\n fginther, so I'm going to run with the old version locally, then update again and see if it break\n balloons, shouldn't qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin be the same version?\n t1mp_, ^^?\n qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin == 0.1.47+14.10.20140619-0ubuntu1\n ubuntu-ui-toolkit-autopilot == 0.1.49+14.10.20140707-0ubuntu1\n fginther, yea I see it's older. They changed things around on packaging, I'd have to go look at the project\n let's see\n fginther, afaict yes, they should be the same\n and I see there is a corresponding version for the plugin that matches\n it's packaged in the same place, and builds etc.. should be the same ;-)\n do we list the source I wonder.. why is it still seeing the old version.. perhaps a ppa\n I can dig\n fginther, kk.. if nothing else we should solve the discrepancy :-)\n balloons, it's being fixed.\n fginther, awesome thanks. I guess we'll try the re-runs once fixed and hopefully see sucess\n balloons, I've cleaned up the package mess and am running a test build now\n what was the issue?\n apt-get upgrade was bailing out because some packages had to be removed to complete the upgrade\n thinking about switching to a dist-upgrade\n fginther, ahh, yea, things can get fun running -devel\n balloons, tests appear to be passing now. i think that helped\n fginther, awesome\n fginther, so I can kick off rebuilds?\n jdstrand: ping (security policy issue)\n balloons, hang on, looks like another issue waiting to happen there (out of disk space)\n k, just let me know\n popey, the jenkins issues should be cleared/clearing up\n thanks balloons\n balloons, \\o/\n balloons, my test passed, can you try a few rebuilds?\n fginther, yes, kicked off builds for the 2 failing merges\n fginther, balloons yes, qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin and ubuntu-ui-toolkit-autopilot must be the same version\n kenvandine, thanks for the email regarding content-hub, so the last issue is then reloading the models so that this imported track actually appears in the other views\n nik90_: ping\n mihir: pong\n nik90_: how can we hide OSK ?\n mihir: Qt.inputMethod.hide().\n Qt.InputMethod?\n mihir: http://nik90.com/ubuntu-touch-keyboard-tricks/\n nik90_: thanks :)\n mihir: np\n * nik90_ steps away to prepare dinner\n ahayzen, yeah, but at least the file gets to the right place :)\n ahayzen, is anyone working on giving you an API to reload the model?\n kenvandine, yeah :) i'll have a go at implementing that over the next few days.... no not yet\n kenvandine, we haven't talked to the mediascanner guys yet to get their view on the situation .... popey ^^ was going to send a mail (or was i?) ?\n i was, but then i saw kenvandine's mail\n but i still need to\n so that'll be the last piece of the puzzle\n yep :)\n ahayzen, i'm going to make that change to the move api now\n kenvandine, thanks :)\n np\n ahayzen: hi\n t1mp_, o/\n ahayzen: sorry about delaying the panelHeight MR.\n ahayzen: I got caught up in fixing some regression\n ahayzen, random question for you.. does mediascanner2 eat all your cpu?\n t1mp_, no worries was just wondering if there was anything else i needed to do... it resolves the issue for me\n ahayzen: I need to update one test in that MR and then make sure no apps break, and then we can land it\n balloons, depends\n t1mp_, awesome :)\n ahayzen: I try to get it done tomorrow, so then it would land beginning of next week\n t1mp_, sweet!\n balloons, on the initial scan... yes it does... but afterwards no it doesn't\n balloons, but i do have some suspicions about how it is indexing\n balloons, what is the issue your seeing?\n it just locks my pc\n balloons, ah\n balloons, tbh i think it is commiting after it adds each file to db ... if this is true then bundling the data and commiting say 5,10 records of metadata to the db at one time could imrpove the performance\n ahayzen, probably worth filing a bug on\n I had to uninstall it just now, as it locked my pc again\n balloons, yeah its on my list of things to investigate/poke people about :)\n balloons, how is ur investigation into the jenkins failures going?\n ahayzen, they are fixed\n balloons, i did start making a py3 branch of the music-app tests...got all the cmake converted just need to convert the tests....\n balloons, \\o/ what was the issue?\n the current failure you see is legitimate..\n in that the tests are running properly at least\n ahayzen, outdated version of the toolkit matched with a new version of the toolkit helpers\n balloons, ok thanks\n jdstrand: 19:39:09 < m-b-o> mhall119: Jul 10 20:38:41 ubuntu-phablet kernel: [25787.785316] type=1400 audit(1405017521.045:112): apparmor=\"DENIED\" operation=\"open\" profile=\"com.ubuntu.developer.martin-borho.ubuntu-weather-app_ubuntu-weather-app_0.1\" name=\"/home/phablet/.local/share/com.ubuntu.weather/Databases/34e1e542f2f083ff18f537b07a380071.ini\" pid=16247 comm=\"qmlscene\"\n requeste_mask=\"r\" denied_mask=\"r\"\" fsuid=32011 ouid=32011\n ^^ when running weather app on device...\n is that app or apparmor issue?\n jdstrand: ignore me\n popey: the process with APP_ID com.ubuntu.developer.martin-borho.ubuntu-weather-app_ubuntu-weather-app_0.1 is trying to access the data of the app with click package name com.ubuntu.weather\n yeah, sorry, i missed that\n popey: that is expressly forbideden. seems an app problem\n forbidden*\n popey: oh sorry, I missed the 'ignore me' :)\n Hi guys, i need to develop a small GUI application for ubuntu in fluxbox window environment. Does any one have experience with fluxbox environment???\n ????\n amanthakur : maybe also ask in #fluxbox?\n didn't knew that they do have a channel\n thanks\n amanthakur : http://fluxbox.org/help/\n np\n nik90_, you about?\n balloons: yeah\n nik90_, so how is the new clock app coming? I hear you might need some tests\n balloons: we got some of the core functionality up and running like the alarms\n balloons: we are thinking ahead to what is required to replace the old clock app. The first thing would be autopilot followed by translation framework.\n balloons, :)\n nik90_, meet Letozaf_.. I'm not sure you two have met?\n balloons: I don't think so...\n hi Letozaf_\n nik90_, hello, nice to meet you!\n Anyways, nik90_, Letozaf_ is always interested in writing some AP tests ;-) I'm thinking she might enjoy helping out\n me too :)\n Letozaf_, :)\n and that might help make sure everything is done in time\n oh awesome!\n nik90_, balloons how can I help ^\n ?\n Letozaf_: so we have rewritten the clock app from scratch and it has no autopilot tests at the moment. It would be really helpful if you could get the tests up and running for the features we have implemented until now\n balloons: Can you check if the current cmake implementation has what it needs to run autopilot tests using click-buddy?\n balloons: this should Letozaf_ run the ap tests to see if they run as expected\n nik90_, balloons ok\n Letozaf_, sound doable? Essentially nik90_ is rewriting the current clock app, so in the end the features will match, but at the moment they don't :-)\n it's a new design..\n Letozaf_: I can email you the appropriate links to the project page and provide some instructions on how to run the new clock app.\n nik90_, that would be great\n Letozaf_: btw, which Ubuntu release are you running and do you have a phone running Ubuntu Touch?\n balloons, yes fine it would be great\n Letozaf_: if you don't have a phone, an emulator should be just as fine.\n nik90_, I have Utopic running now, but it's not a problem to put whatever version is needed on my laptop and yes I have a Nexus 4\n Letozaf_: awesome..Utopic is the one we are targeting so that's good.\n nik90_, balloons just tell me where to start and I will, hope to be useful\n popey: can you invite Letozaf_ to the trello board? It would be easier to help track autopilots tasks there.\n Letozaf_: We keep track of clock app (and other apps) tasks at https://trello.com/b/Ie2rAS3W/core-apps-management\n Letozaf_: you might want to bookmark that. You can filter the cards to see just the clock app related ones.\n nik90_, ok let me take a look\n Letozaf_: at the moment there aren't any tasks related to autopilot but I will create tasks there to help you get started\n nik90_, fine thanks\n nik90_: your MR failed due to an unrelated bug which is fixed, but we have to wait till tomorrow when the fix is in the image\n nik90_: so let's try to get your MR in again tomorrow\n t1mp: ok, np\n Letozaf_: btw, my nick will be always online on IRC. So feel free to leave me messages and I will get to them when I am at the computer.\n nik90_, ok thanks\n nik90_, do I get the new clock app at lp:ubuntu-clock-app or have you put it somewhere else ?\n Letozaf_: the new clock app is housed at lp:ubuntu-clock-app/reboot\n Letozaf_: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clock-dev/ubuntu-clock-app/utopic-3.0\n Letozaf_: can you pm me your email address and I will send a mail tomorrow morning with the necessary info.\n nik90_, great!\n nik90_, awesome..let me see if I can add Letozaf_ to the board\n Letozaf_, I added you\n balloons: thnx\n balloons, thanks\n so nik90_, Letozaf_ I'll check on the cmake build stuff, and otherwise I assume you two can work out what tests are needed, etc. As always, feel free to ping with questions.\n Letozaf_: I created a card to keep track of the AP tests and I have assigned it to you.\n balloons: yeah I will work with Letozaf_ to get the tests up and running and provide help where ever needed.\n awesome.. should be fun! thanks again Carla\n nik90_, ok\n :)\n nik90_, fine so I will wait for your e-mail :)\n balloons, nik90_ yeah sure it will be fun :) can't wait!\n Letozaf_: Ok. I am generally quick on these things :)\n nik90_, :P I will be back tomorrow night (in Italy) that is 18-19 UTC I think\n Letozaf_: ok. I am in the Netherlands, so the time works with me.\n nik90_, great!\n nik90_, argh! sorry you lost against Argentina :(\n I can't believe that went to penalty kicks\n balloons, I bet Nederlands would have won\n Letozaf_: hehe..most of the game was spent in the mid fields :/ .. I rather have a game like Germany vs OtherCountries\n balloons: netherlands has a terrible record with winning in the penalties..\n nik90_, suppose Germany will win the cup :)\n Letozaf_: I wouldn't be surprised...:0\n :)\n popey: thanks :)\n \u00e2\u0098\u00bb\n#ubuntu-app-devel 2014-07-11\n is there a way to send or read text messages in an app ?\n nik90_: hey, tried to use the alarm clock today. doesn't seem to ring off for me. what's the state there?\n is it supposed to work or still WIP?\n Good morning all; happy Friday and happy World Population Day! :-D\n mzanetti: Good morning\n nik90_: Good morning\n mzanetti: The alarm should work as expected. I woke up to them for the past 4-5 days\n nik90_: hmm... can I verify on the command line somehow if the alarm is actually set? or any other means to debu git?\n really doesn't ring ever here\n mzanetti: the alarm is stored at .local/share/evolution/tasks/randomfoldername/tasks.ics\n mzanetti: if you can get me that folder, I can check if EDS has saved it properly or no\n not*\n nik90_: ack. can't fetch it right now as I'm working on another device. but will get you that folder in a few\n mzanetti: np, I will be here\n cool\n https://github.com/loqui/im interesting\n its in the FFOS store.\n has WhatsApp support (unofficial)\n popey: how do you change the title of a note book in reminders or for that matter delete one the only options I see when I click on a note book are search and refresh\n davmor2: do it on the web\n davmor2, click on the edit button on the header, it should let you edit the title and the content of the note\n popey: also if you edit a note in a notebook why does it move it auto change the notebook I'm in to first notebook. IE Notebook 1,2,3 I have a note in 3 I hit edit change the note text hit save and it default to save it in 1\n davmor2, and the notebook thing is probably a bug\n bugs.launchpad.net/reminders-app\n dpm: I have =Notebooks + = if I click on the notebook in question I get < Personal nores + = hence wanting to change the title :)\n davmor2, ah, sorry, I misread the notebook title change\n I read \"note\"\n So that is a feature request and a bug then thanks\n dpm: you sure you want me to test this?\n davmor2, indeed, it makes sense as a feature, I think\n davmor2, I'm never sure to have you test things, as you always manage to break them! :)\n dpm: also if you setup an account, and then open the app after the account is added it say you have no account add one click here, you click there it takes you to a page where you click accept and then goes back to the app, that doesn't seem right some how\n davmor2, the workflow is right, but the message needs to change. The reason being, if you create the account outside the app, then you need to authorize the app to use the account the first time. If you create the account from within the app, it then does the authorisation transparently for you\n but I noticed that one with the message too. We need to be able to detect whether there is genuinely no account, or whether there is an account that needs authorisation\n dpm: oh indeed, it's not a wrong workflow but it saying there is No account when you know for a fact you just created one is the but thats meh\n indeed\n nik90_: here you go: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7779376\n nik90_: interesting thing that there are 4 alarms in there, should be 2 only\n mzanetti: are you running the latest image?\n nik90_: promoted one\n not devel-proposed\n mzanetti: ok\n nik90_: but even if those 4 alarms would be what I want. I never heard any of those actually ring\n mzanetti: does the saved alarm appear in the date time indicator?\n nik90_: no... nothing in there\n which probably explains why they're not ringing\n yeah\n can you create an alarm to ring in the next 5 minutes and see if it appears in the indicator?\n ack\n uuh. clock app crashed switching to the alarm tab\n were you trying to create a new alarm?\n or editing an existing one?\n i was on the stop watch tab, wanted to switch to the alarms tab -> boom\n now it works\n nik90_: ack. set an alarm to go off in 5 mins, it appeard in the indicators\n hmm... I have a suspicion... let me wait until this one went off and I'll play around a bit more\n mzanetti: there is one case where the alarm might not ring, When you create a single type alarm and it rings. After which if you are try editing that alarm to set a new time, that will fail\n * nik90_ checks for that\n that sounds like I could have fallen for a couple of times already\n the other thing is, if you change the recurrance, I have the feeling that it changes it to the day last week or so\n ringing now /\n \\o/\n ringtone is very stuttery though\n like pauses for 3 seconds, plays half a sec, pauses again for 3 etc\n that seems to be related to the screen being locked\n turning the screen on makes it play smoothly, turning it off again makes it bad again\n mzanetti: I don't notice the stuttery ringtone anymore in the devel-proposed. We had that issue a couple of images before since the system-settings was hogging a lot of CPU.\n mzanetti: we have another bug in place where the alarm keeps ringing even after you dismiss it :)\n nik90_: ok...\n dpm, popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/reminders-app/+bug/1340635 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/reminders-app/+bug/1340640 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/reminders-app/+bug/1340644\n Ubuntu bug 1340635 in Ubuntu Reminders app \"Right workflow wrong wording on error on Initlial run of the app\" [Undecided,New]\n Ubuntu bug 1340640 in Ubuntu Reminders app \"No way to Edit a notebook name\" [Undecided,New]\n Ubuntu bug 1340644 in Ubuntu Reminders app \"Editing a note defaults to the First Notebook instead of the notebook it was edited in\" [Undecided,New]\n thanks davmor2\n nik90_: for https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/improve-header-api-docs/+merge/226113 can you do a bzr commit -m \"empty commit\" --unchanged && bzr push, to see what happens?\n t1mp: sure.\n nik90_: thanks\n huh? what happened to the calculator?\n kalikiana: up for a review? https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/panelHeight/+merge/225493\n kalikiana: ignore the bad jenkins results for now, its broken\n tell me about it, I want to land stuff :-(\n t1mp: can we have a test for the position?\n kalikiana: a test that verifies the new y-coordinate after changing height?\n kalikiana: yeah, makes sense, I'll work on that\n cool\n popey, dpm: I created another bug for adding new notes to notebooks, it is pretty much the same as the bug 1340644 bug but it is a slightly different workflow so created a new one do you want me to mention the other bug in both?\n bug 1340644 in Ubuntu Reminders app \"Editing a note defaults to the First Notebook instead of the notebook it was edited in\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1340644\n t1mp: the empty commit for https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/improve-header-api-docs/+merge/226113 didn't trigger jenkins\n zsombi: hey, Good Afternoon, you are back :)\n t1mp: ok, I just saw the jenkins message :P\n nik90_: thanks, I'm back for few days, then will be away again\n nik90_: wow... weird failure\n hmm it ends with NoSuchProcess: no process found with pid 5311\n zsombi: ah ok\n nik90_: I'll happrove it anyway, see if it lands\n t1mp: hmm\n t1mp: ok..if it fails again, we can get the help of elopio\n kalikiana: I re-happroved noArchErrors and englishButtons\n t1mp: thanks\n zsombi: added the test fixes https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/blueCursor/+merge/225304\n kalikiana: I was thinking, shouldn't we set the palette.foreground with alpha=0.2 instead of having the magic in the text inputs...\n kalikiana: you got comments\n zsombi: \"TextField changes\"?\n kalikiana: you had color changes in textarea, shouldn't the same be done in textfield as well?\n hmm I thought I did, checking\n okay seems it's not in there\n zsombi: if we want to have alpha in the palette there's a problem: we can't use the hex notation we agreed on\n kalikiana: why can't you use hex notation?\n I'm not sure if in general it's expected to have alpha in the colors\n t1mp: becasue it doesn't exist\n kalikiana: you can, you convert 0.2 into hex :)\n zsombi: and writing it how? there's no standard for it afair\n kalikiana: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qml-color.html\n kalikiana: alpha is a value 0..255, and in Qt.rgba is (0..1)\n kalikiana: #AARRGGBB\n #AARRGGBB\n :)\n oh\n I was faster :P\n nice\n zsombi: I started typing that 5 minutes ago ;) but on this keyboard, there is a search-key instead of caps-lock.. and it works as super-key :s\n t1mp: yeah, excuses....\n t1mp: +1000 I love that the chrome book actually has a modern layout instead of following the stone age\n few laptops do\n kalikiana: caps lock is handy some times\n it's not, dude, nobody uses it\n I USE IT WHEN I AM UPSET! ;)\n kalikiana: only old farts.... as me :D\n kalikiana: but okay, it is not an essential key\n kalikiana: and it misses PgUp and PgDn keys.. which is not so handy\n kalikiana: other than that the keyboard layout is fine :)\n t1mp: who needs those\u00e2\u0080\u00a6 :-P\n kalikiana: I need it to scroll back on irc in irssi\n kalikiana: ah, home and end buttons are also missing..\n t1mp: use a wheel :-D\n kalikiana: I need those to go to the beginning/end of a line that I'm editing\n what about ctrl+left/right\n kalikiana: that only moves left/right one word\n on mac its Fn+left/right\n kalikiana: one more thing to that MR: shouldn't actually we add the blue color to the UbuntuColors as well?\n zsombi: that was done in tim's mr\n kalikiana: then you would only need to use Qt.rgba() on the UbuntuColors.blue\n actually lemme check if I can use the colors now\n since it was merged\n zsombi: it has readonly property color blue: \"#1ab6ef\"\n t1mp: yes, I see it now, it slipped my eyes before\n kalikiana: so, if you use that, then you can use the rgba() function and set the alpha you used in the TextArea\n kalikiana: UbuntuColors.DarkGrey is also there\n kalikiana: and #888888 is LightGrey\n seems like blue isn't\n err *blue/lightGrey/darkGrey (first letter small)\n kalikiana: it is, but it didn't merge to staging yet\n kalikiana: you'd need this as a pre https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/NewColors/+merge/225230\n t1mp: aaaarg still approved :-(\n so annoying\n I don't really want pre at this point\u00e2\u0080\u00a6 I want to get rid of branches\n if you add a pre it should automatically land after the pre landed\n kalikiana: there is a section in the api docs for UbuntuColor on developer.ubuntu.com\n and you can use the color names instead of re-defining them then\n t1mp: \"should\" in real life means it will randomly fail\n but what the heck I'll rebase on that\n davmor2: new colors will land soon\n * kalikiana just a bit annoyed at this point with baby sitting more than anything else\n ohhh green by any chance?\n seeing lots of green recently\n davmor2: yes, also green :) see https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/NewColors/+merge/225230\n davmor2: here is a short list of new colors https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1335826\n Ubuntu bug 1335826 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit \"Update UbuntuColors with new colors\" [High,In progress]\n it takes too much time now in CI to get things landed....\n zsombi: btw with regard to \"old fart\" http://xkcd.com/1393/\n http://xkcd.com/303/ %s/compiling/landing/g\n kalikiana: ^\n zsombi: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/blueCursor/+merge/226457\n t1mp: :-D\n kalikiana: will check it asap\n seb128, or Laney or jgdx: can you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/ubuntu-system-settings/refactor_about_tests/+merge/225425 ?\n elopio, sure\n thanks!\n elopio, oh, I just looked at that, looks fine from me (though I didn't look too much into details because I don't know autopilot that well, but I didn't see anything obvious wrong and jenkins seems happy)\n so +1 from me\n let's see jgdx says\n thanks seb128.\n elopio, might have to merge in https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/1211804-allow-technology-preference/+merge/226125\n elopio, jgdx: not sure I see the point of those license boilerplate changes\n jgdx: looks like you are right. I'll make it a prerequisite.\n seb128: the license used to say it was LGPL in some files, GPL in some others.\n elopio, that's only the __init__.py one\n which is fine fixing\n the other ones looks like pointless\n seb128: the other ones are to use the same template. If you are missing one of the GPL header paragraphs it can cause you legal problems.\n it's unlikely, and a minor problem for sure\n but on so many projects we have found weird things on the headers that we are trying to use the same template everywhere.\n seb128: I can revert that on this branch, and propose it on a different one to discuss only that if you prefer.\n elopio, don't bother, but I'm going to put your changes on hold because they might conflict with some other work due to that\n so your call\n if you want to see that in the next landing better to rever the changes out of the init\n you are convincing :)\n elopio, I'm seeing this on 28 tests http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7780470/\n I'm most likely lacking something\n elopio, I have to go away for some hours. Be back later.\n jgdx: I'll take a look. I think that you must run the tests with autopilot3 after my previous branch.\n popey: u having fun with the back and forth email with mhall119 :P ?\n haha\n t1mp, are you around to look at some strange behaviour we are having with the searching?\n ahayzen: yes\n :)\n t1mp, this is our WIP mp... https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/music-app/add-sdk-search-support/+merge/226045\n t1mp, the behaviour we are seeing is...\n t1mp, if you start searching on one tab...then cancel the search... move to another tab and start searching...it *sometimes* (usually after repeating enough times)... doesn't actually search and ur result from the previous tab is sometimes there?\n t1mp, furthermore sometimes u can see it flicker between the tabs as you press the search button\n t1mp, is this todo with the way i've done our MusicPage and the implementation of the searching... or is this an SDK issue?\n * t1mp reading the MR\n ahayzen: what do you see flicker between tabs?\n t1mp, i see the title of the previous tab appear then switch back to the current... then the text field appears\n t1mp, that happens more rarely than the issue (maybe because it happens so fast)\n t1mp, but we suspect somehow you end up on tab A but actually searching on tab B as the text field sometimes has what you had when you were searching in tab B and would explain why it appears like nothing is happening\n seeing the title of the previous tab is weird\n t1mp, yeah thats what i thought\n hmmm\n [ 1%] Merging translations into com.ubuntu.music_music.desktop\n /bin/sh: 1: INTLTOOL_MERGE-NOTFOUND: not found\n I have a new laptop, so probably I still need to install some dependencies\n errr\n ah i had that\n t1mp, try installing intltool\n that helps, but I still get errors when starting the app:\n tim@C720:~/dev/add-sdk-search-support$ qmlscene music-app.qml\n file:///home/tim/dev/add-sdk-search-support/music-app.qml:832 Type MusicStart unavailable\n file:///home/tim/dev/add-sdk-search-support/MusicStart.qml:235 GenresModel is not a type\n woah\n t1mp, what are you runing this on?\n on my laptop\n looks like your missing mediascanner2 qmlplugin\n t1mp, ensure you have all of our depends in here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~music-app-dev/music-app/trunk/view/head:/debian/control\n t1mp, also note i've been doing this on device (utopic with latest devel-proposed image) as my laptop is trusty\n seems like I have all the dependencies\n I am also running trusty\n it won't work on trusty?\n t1mp, ah yes mediascanner2 could be interesting on trusty... and sdk doesn't have search on trusty for me?\n ...but that is a strange error your ending up with...\n t1mp, oh do u have the coreapps ppa?\n t1mp, yeah thats what it is...coreapps ppa has the new ms2 which includes genremodel :)\n t1mp, this one https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/daily\n I have a mediascanner2.0, but no qtdeclarative5 mediascanner package..\n t1mp, you need qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-mediascanner0.1 to be installed\n I have that one\n maybe I need the version from the ppa to get GenresModel\n t1mp, yeah you need to have a version after ~20 may or something\n coreapps ppa has 0.101+14.10.20140627\n t1mp, however if ur on trusty i still think it won't work\n trusty has 0.100+14.04.20140403-0ubuntu1\n t1mp, i get 'PageHeadState is not a type' on my machine\n I'm using a spare laptop now with trusty.. my main laptop has utopic, but I had to send it for repair, I'll wait for that one to come back\n ahayzen: which version of UITK?\n t1mp, and we get this from ms2 'pure virtual method called\n terminate called without an active exception'\n ^^ which has been fixed in qt5.3\n ahayzen: did you import Ubuntu.Components 1.1 for PageHeadState?\n yep i changed all of them to 1.1 as u can see in the mp\n t1mp, qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin:\n Installed: 0.1.46+14.10.20140520-0ubuntu1~0trusty2\n t1mp, that is coming from our ppa... hmm so do we just need the package updating again? ... and will it work with qt5.2 we were under the impression things will start breaking as trusty doesn't have qt5.3\n true, that's tricky\n t1mp, but even if that works u won't be able to test because mediascanner2 will explode with its bug when you try search etc\n newer UITK works on trusty and with qt 5.2\n I have the same problem with old UITK package\n let me compile an UITK from bzr..\n t1mp, this is the mediascanner2 bug for reference https://bugs.launchpad.net/mediascanner2/+bug/1334843\n Ubuntu bug 1334843 in mediascanner2 \"Mediascanner2 crash on model change with header in listview\" [Undecided,New]\n t1mp, it is failing because u have an old mediascanner...but if u update it is pretty broken on trusty :/ so ur best off using a device to test\n ahayzen: I replaced the model: SortFilterModel { } by model: 10 to test\n hah\n also doens't work.. but I can see that the PageHeadState works with a more recent UITK\n what happens then i suspect something bad\n oh like the rowCount errors will be everywhere and there was anotehr one...\n so if you bzr branch lp:ubuntu-ui-toolkit && cd ubuntu-ui-toolkit && qmake && make && ./export_modules_dir.sh, then you can run your app with the newer UITK\n well.. you could if there was a working mediascanner for trusty\n hah\n t1mp, i've been testing on my device\n t1mp, you should just be able to run in the branches dir to push the app to device $ click-buddy --dir . --provision\n (assuming u have click-buddy installed ;) )\n probably not, I just installed ubuntu on this laptop a few hours ago\n hehe\n I have to leave now\n ok no worries\n so the flickering of the previous title is weird.. do you think you can reproduce that with a small test program without dependencies?\n i'll see if i can figure out if it is us or not and yeah if i think it isn't us...i'll try and build a test app\n t1mp, thanks for ur help so far\n and the wrong search results is also strange. The contents basically only sets the textfield in the header, doesn't deal with the results\n I'm not ruling out UITK, it is all new stuff so not many people used it so far\n t1mp, it is like it is searching on the other tab\n t1mp, (the one that flickered)\n that other tab title should only become visible when that tab is active\n maybe it quickly switches tabs before going to search mode?\n t1mp, yeah something funky going on here lol\n t1mp, i'll continue playing about see if i can narrow it down a bit\n ahayzen: in the MR I only see one PageHeadState, where do you have the other pages where you can search?\n t1mp, that is in our generic MusicPage {}\n t1mp, all of our pages are based of MusicPage which is a Page {} itself\n t1mp, but searching will appear on the Artists/Albums/Tracks tabs (pages)\n ahayzen: I see now\n ahayzen: can you check that tabs.selectedTabIndex doesn't change when you get the flickering?\n t1mp, yep i'll add tracing to that and the page states and see if i can figure out anything\n t1mp, anyway i gotta go in a minute as well so i'll investigate further tonight\n hmm\n I see you have several Tabs/Page/PageStack instances defined directly inside the MainView\n perhaps the MainView gets problems determining which is the active page\n if you move those inside the PageStack you avoid that\n t1mp, hmmm but they are all visible: false ... and we should have one pageStack...\n t1mp, oh so the hidden ones should be inside the pageStack?\n t1mp, i gotta go i'll try moving things around later thanks for the pointers o/\n yes, could be related to that\n they are not visible, but the MainView has only one page listed as activePage internally, that's not the same as visible\n I gotta go too\n have a nice weekend :)\n t1mp, ok thanks.... you to o/\n DanChapman: btw, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mhall119/ureadit/trunk/view/head:/models/CommentListModel.qml shows what I was talking about earlier about flattening a comment thread\n mhall119, heh i was half way through writing a message to you about that :-D how weird. Thanks i'll take a look, i can't download the reddit app for some reason to see it in action\n DanChapman: :)\n DanChapman: how are you trying to download it?\n from the Ubuntu Store scope on a device?\n through the store, yes. Getting a rather generic \"error downloading or installing\" message. It happens straight after tapping install so i presume it's the download failing\n beuno: ^^ that's like the third person I've heard say they can't download apps from the store, any idea what's going on?\n mhall119: beuno is not around today; afaict, everything seems ok (there were some firewall issues yesterday that could have caused some problems, but that should be all fixed now)\n thanks matiasb\n mhall119: np, if you get any more details, or cases, let me know\n balloons, ping\n t1mp, if your there i just added tracing http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7781949/ ... if you look at the last few lines you can see artists page has its state changed to 'search' but the textfield appears to be from the songs page!\n ahayzen, poing\n balloons, i've been thinking about doing refactor/cleanup of our ap tests at somepoint in the near future....\n balloons, and was wondering if our tests should be python3 rather than python2? is that the long term goal?\n balloons, as if me or victor did a cleanup it could be a good opportunity to move\n ahayzen, yes, the tests should be py3\n balloons, ok cool\n balloons, i may do that over the new week or so if i get stuck in qml stuff :) ... as it is getting annoying having all our methods in a random order with strange namings (songsPage vs songsTab?) ... and i suspect there is some stale code in there as well\n ahayzen, I'd recommend looking at http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/platform/guides/acceptance-testing-using-the-page-object-model/\n and yes, you likely could sync and cleanup object names and the qml and tests at the same time :-)\n balloons, was it the clock-app ap test that where split into different classes/modules per tab?\n balloons, thanks for the link :)\n ahayzen, clock was the first, but others show it as well\n generally we write anything new in it\n balloons, cool\n reminders is done the same way\n balloons, oh yeah and while looking at the system-apps i saw they have QML tests? are they beneficial in any way or should all of ours be python/autopilot\n ahayzen, you should consider qml tests for your custom components\n balloons, what is the purpose of them? just to test a component rather than a use case/user story?\n * nik90_ is proud to hear clock do it first ;)\n ahayzen, it's different tech. I would recommend using them for any low level tests you might want to do as well\n nik90_, :-)\n balloons, ok i may have a look at those after any refactoring is done\n balloons: ping\n gerlowskija, pong\n ahayzen, definitely.. feel free to ping with specifics\n balloons, cool thanks\n balloons: I saw you commented on this MP: https://code.launchpad.net/~gerlowskija/ubuntu-calendar-app/revised-fix-for-bug1334883/+merge/226049. Is there anything that I can do to help take a look at it?\n gerlowskija, ohh my did that not land?\n * balloons looks\n no, it's still getting UNSTABLE on one of the test runs\n I see http://91.189.93.70:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-utopic/974/artifact/calendar_app.tests.test_new_event.NewEventTestCase.test_delete_event_must_remove_it_from_day_view%20%28with%20mouse%29.ogv\n stupid realization, but I didn't realize the autopilot tests were screen recorded.\n gerlowskija, no worries! yea, it's in the test output\n thats awesome. Though the failure isn't.\n anyways, yea, let me grab and try locally. If it works locally, then it gets a bit harder but not impossible\n ok cool. It looks like the test ends (terminates/crashes?) early. The test should go on to delete the event.\n gerlowskija, it seems it just tries to find the event and then ends\n perhaps using an eventually on the assert would be useful\n * balloons runs\n Hmm.. based on the test name, and this line:\n day_view = day_view.delete_event(event.name, len(original_events) > 0)\n I would expect it to go through deleting the event, but I didn't write the test, so that's just my impression\n ok, it does run on the desktop :-)\n gerlowskija, the source looks weird..\n see line 68 in test_new_event? def get_new_events()?\n yep\n mm.. not part of your mp.. weird it's in trunk I guess?\n Yeah, I didn't change anything in the autopilot tests other than removing a skip on the last test\n I'm making some changes..\n gerlowskija, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7782180/\n I like_method for private stuff.. but otherwise, just moving it out\n now as for the logic..\n I think we can fix that too, since you are fixing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1334833\n Ubuntu bug 1334833 in Ubuntu Calendar App \"After adding an event, the TimelineBase on DayView duplicates the old EventBubbles\" [High,Confirmed]\n I *think/hope* I'm fixing 1334833 haha\n gerlowskija, well let's change the logic and see eh>\n I hope so too.. so many events in the stack!\n ok. I'll re-push with the _get_new_events() change you had, and see if that helps. Thanks as always balloons:\n gerlowskija, one sec\n sure\n I missed adding self as the arg for def _get_new_events(self):\n and there might be more things :-)\n I'm guessing elopio actually set it up this way.. but I do wonder why\n gerlowskija, I think I'll just push something.. the diff is getting bif\n Haha, ok then. I'll be interested to see what the final changes are!\n Anything I should do then? I feel like I asked what I could do to help but you ended up getting stuck with all the work yourself ;-p\n no worries\n I think it's good now\n gerlowskija, lp:~nskaggs/ubuntu-calendar-app/filter_dupes\n Cool, looks like it works for me on my desktop (though it was originally too)\n balloons: So the plan is to delete my existing branch, link your newer one to the 2 bug reports, and propose for merging?\n gerlowskija, yep, let me know when you push and I'll sic jenkins on it\n gerlowskija, no, I would just merge my branch into yours and then push a new rev\n same mp and everything\n Ok. My bzr skills are a little lacking...off to the man page!\n gerlowskija, :-)\n haha\n bzr merge lp:~nskaggs/ubuntu-calendar-app/filter_dupes\n bzr commit\n bzr push\n :-)\n balloons: you're taking all the fun out of it ;-p But thanks!\n gerlowskija, haha.. sorry!\n I re-pushed, balloons. Let's see jenkins do its worst!\n gerlowskija, kk, it's running\n Hi.\n gerlowskija, flake8 issues\n can you fix?\n Yep, just a sec.\n balloons: re-pushed with a fix (I think).\n * balloons keeps fingers crossed\n balloons, still there?\n gerlowskija, we broke it\n http://91.189.93.70:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-utopic/984/testReport/junit/calendar_app.tests.test_new_event/NewEventTestCase/test_add_new_event_with_default_values_with_mouse_/\n balloons, When trying to land https://code.launchpad.net/~verzegnassi-stefano/music-app/transparent-bg-for-ubuntushapes-labels/+merge/225589 we noticed that in the last few failures different tests were failing with dbus errors, we thought maybe it was because the packages were still syncing. However on this https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/music-app/abstract-row-second-iteration/+merge/226549 i've just\n got the same issue, I only changed 1 line of code between the revisions (added a margin to something) and this test worked one time and not the other. Any ideas what is going on?\n ahayzen, yes it'd be worth looking deeper at the tests to see why the random fails\n off the top, nothing simple\n balloons, hmm maybe in our refactor hehe\n balloons, ok so just rerun for now?\n yes :-)\n balloons, can u retrigger for me so i don't have to empty commit?\n yepper\n thanks\n balloons, success \\o/ lol\n :-)\n lol\n gerlowskija: balloons: you are fixing the bug that causes duplicate events \\o/\n what's weird on this run is that the machine has many events:\n http://91.189.93.70:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-utopic/984/artifact/calendar_app.tests.test_new_event.NewEventTestCase.test_add_new_event_with_default_values%20%28with%20mouse%29.ogv\n elopio, well we tried.. seems something is still a bit off\n isn't jenkins starting a new machine for every run?\n elopio, that's not weird, in so much as events don't delete well\n calendar isolation isn't working atm, I believe\n start_time, end_time = time_label.text.split(' - ')\n ValueError: need more than 1 value to unpack\n anyway, this error means that there is an event whose time label doesn't match {start time} - {end time}\n it might be a previosly existing all day event?\n I didn't write the helper to work on that case.\n hum, my calendar from trunk doesn't work nicely now.\n balloons: gerlowskija: actually, if you look at the video, it shows a new event with no time, and the bubble is on today and tomorrow.\n there could be a problem creating an event for the last half hour of the day.\n#ubuntu-app-devel 2014-07-12\n ok, this won't work for 24 hours on jenkins :(\n tomorrow, I think it will pass.\n balloons: https://twitter.com/UbuntuTesting/status/487760664325156864\n daker, thanks.. weird\n elopio, I'll take your word for it\n elopio: ping\n mzanetti: ping\n nik90_: hey\n mzanetti: hey would it be possible to have a hangout for about 20-30 minutes to pick your brain on a qml c++ plugin?\n mzanetti: doesn't have to be today\n mzanetti: anytime you are free would be nice\n nik90_: sure\n mzanetti: when would you like to have it?\n hmm, maybe a bit later today...\n nik90_: a bit busy atm, can I ping you later about it?\n mzanetti: alrite, ping me when you are free later\n ok\n yeah\n nik90_: thank you for helping out the folks with the menu probelm :) I was out of network reach.\n bzoltan: no worries :)\n nik90_: so it seems that the new 3.1.1 release did not mess up anything :)\n bzoltan: yup :)\n nik90_: it is a huge luck that we got the qtc 3.1.1 backported to qt52 ... when it was released with the 5.3 I wonder how long our luck will last. At some point QtC will not be backportable to the LTS\n bzoltan: I can imagine..I have been coding in a 14.10 VM for the past few weeks. I suppose we must update the instructions on developer.ubuntu.com to use a 14.10 VM or release instead of 14.04\n bzoltan: Or even better, provide a downloadable VM that people can use just for development purposes with all the necessary tools ready\n bzoltan: In the future when Unity 8 becomes default, would it be possible to provide QtC+Qt 5.x in a click package that people can install without having to upgrade their OS? That would make it super convenient to stick with one OS version and keep updating the SDK.\n nik90_: Yes, in the confined click world this issue will be different.\n nik90_: SDK in VM is a trivial solution but to be honest I find it rather unprofessional as a primary method of distribution.\n bzoltan: I agree, but requesting developers to download a development release of Ubuntu which cannot be found so easily is helpful either.\n isn't helpful either*\n nik90_: I think either the co-installation of minor Qt releases should be resolved, or we need to install the Qt to the user space.\n nik90_: LTS is LTS, so we will never suggest developers to upgrade from LTS to use the SDK\n bzoltan: at the moment, for an external 3rd party app dev, it is confusing to install 14.04 and then realise that he won't get the new headers and other cool sdk features\n nik90_: why would not he get? It is all in the emulator and in the chroot... When a developer installs the Android SDK on OSX is it expected to see all the android APIs on the OSX?\n nik90_: I know it will take time to educate some folks that the development environment and the target environment are two different place\n bzoltan: true that would work\n nik90_: the problem right now is that we should support not only the phone app development but the desktop app/scope development. Right now we have good target emulator of the phone, but not for the desktop. But it is being worked out :)\n bzoltan: yeah I am waiting for rsalvetti to add support for updating the emulator images on the fly. Currently we have to recreate the emulator to get the latest image\n bzoltan: although I guess this shouldn't be too much of an issue for people targetting the stable images in the future\n nik90_: yes, it should not be much. The emulator update would be fun.\n#ubuntu-app-devel 2014-07-13\n I'm using the UbuntuSDK to look around at API pages. It's nice to have the docs integrated right into the IDE. One thing I'm having a little trouble with though is navigating back to a previous page. Is there a 'Back' button I'm missing somewhere?\n hey guys, im having trouble creating emulator in ubuntu sdk\n when I hit create it does nothing\n nik90_: hey, you around?\n mzanetti: hey, I should be ready in a few minutes.. Is that okay?\n nik90_: hi\n mzanetti: Hi\n nik90_: sorry for not getting back to you yesterday\n mzanetti: np, it was the weekend\n nik90_: so... what is it about?\n mzanetti: can we do a hangout, I can explain faster\n ok\n mzanetti: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/grj6htmsop46fz2s7qhf5xmi3ua\n mzanetti, so, I lost a lot of hours on it, but I'm not able to have the todo list working with Oxide... Tomorrow I'll ping oSoMoN to have some help, sorry\n rpadovani: hey man\n don't be sorry 'bout that\n rpadovani: want me to have a look?\n mzanetti, if you have time would be great :-)\n https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/reminders-app/upgradeToOxide/+merge/225737\n there are also some suggestions from oSoMoN\n rpadovani: ok... I'll try to squeeze it in today. nik90_ is still before you in the queue though :)\n ok, thanks :-) I'll take a look to new bugs meanwhile\n mzanetti: I pushed it to lp:~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/10-world-clocks\n nik90_: ping\n mzanetti: pong\n nik90_: this is quite weird... even though c++ correctly converts the QDateTime to the other time zone, printing it in qml still gives the local one\n have you seen the same?\n mzanetti: yeah I noticed that as well. I looked online at the docs and 1 other tutorial, but couldn't fix it\n looks like a bug to me tbh\n do you have the link to the tutorial you're talking about?\n mzanetti: I looked at http://www.ics.com/blog/whats-new-qt-52-qtimezone\n mzanetti: there he displays the local time at a specific timezone ID, however when I run that example, the times returned are incorrect.\n yeah... he's using QWidget, it stays inside C++ then\n nik90_: I believe it looses timezone information when coverting to a JavaScript Date object for qml\n mzanetti: But I ran his own example. He provides the source code at the bottom of the tutorial.\n mzanetti: When I run his example and choose say \"Asia/Kolkata\", I notice that it return 01:38 which is wrong since the time should be 20:07 there.\n hmm...\n something is definitely fishy with that timezone stuff\n yeah\n mzanetti: are you able to see the correct time if you choose to output it within c++ itself?\n yes\n mzanetti: if that is the case, then I could make the c++ plugin return a string with the time instead of a javascript date object\n heh, yeah, doing that already\n this is the output:\n QDateTime(\"2014-07-13 17:31:53.405 EEST Qt::TimeZone Asia/Amman\")\n qml: Sun Jul 13 16:31:53 2014 GMT+0200\n the first line is from c++, the second from qml\n on the same object\n well, sort of...\n but the 17:31 time returned in c++ is incorrect though\n the current time at Amman is 20:12\n ah ok...\n lemme fix that\n nik90_: no it's correct\n daker: I checked at http://www.prokerala.com/travel/timezones/Asia/Amman\n daker: actually nvr mind you are correct. just looked at http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/zoneinfo.tzc?s=default&tz=Asia/Amman now\n mzanetti: ^^\n mzanetti: the time is correct, sry\n ah ok :D\n nik90_: you managed to confuse me\n :)\n :D\n mzanetti: can you check \"America/Chicago\"\n nik90_: Sun Jul 13 09:51:35 2014 GMT\n mzanetti: it should be 09:51\n sweet!\n ack\n nik90_: ok, so I pushed to lp:~mzanetti/+junk/fix-explain-zone-class\n mzanetti: thnx\n nik90_: I've added lots of comments, hope you find them useful\n mzanetti: wow thnx for the comments. They are quite helpful\n :)\n nik90_: gonna make you a model now that gives you all you need nicely\n if you're interested, that is\n mzanetti: ofc if you have time\n mzanetti: I was going through the reminders evernote plugin code to see more of QtC code samples\n nik90_: there's some fancy stuff ongoing there... don't get too deep down there in the beginning or it'll confuse you :) But I think it makes good examples on how to use models\n ok\n nik90_: around?\n nik90_: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/ubuntu-clock-app/add-timezonemodel/+merge/226611\n mzanetti outside at the moment..will take a look when i get home\n nik90_: sure, no problem\n mzanetti, you did a wonderful work on evernote plugin, there are functions for all :-)\n rpadovani: thanks :)\n hey mardy :-) There is a way to know if there is an account of a provider in online accounts but an app isn't authorized to use it yet? WRT https://bugs.launchpad.net/reminders-app/+bug/1340635\n Ubuntu bug 1340635 in Ubuntu Reminders app \"Right workflow wrong wording on error on Initlial run of the app\" [Undecided,New]\n#ubuntu-app-devel 2015-07-06\n SN is Back\n good morning\n https://uappexplorer.com/app/oxi.rene-so36\n \"This app is certainly less harmfull for your ubuntu-phone than the monetarist theory for europe.\"\n I think I never laughed so hard on a monday morning\n Morning o/\n Apps will soon be able to keep the screen on!\n \\o/\n crazy talk !\n s/apps/games/ :)\n popey, why?\n just kidding and thinking of MvM :)\n Hihi! I'm trying to follow the first code snippet in https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Components.ToolbarButton/\n but it doesn't work\n also, it complains that\n qml: Page.tools is a deprecated property. Please use Page.head instead.\n if anyone knows how to put buttons and labels at the top toolbar I'll appreciate it!\n brunch875: use https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Components.PageHeadConfiguration/\n brunch875: the Page.tools was deprecated for several months...no idea what the hell is it still doing in the 15.04 documentation\n thanks!\n popey: ping\n hey sverzegnassi\n popey: o/ which is the launchpad project for reporting a missing package/dependency on devices' images?\n sverzegnassi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-touch-meta\n popey: ok, thanks!\n np\n sturmflut2, Neverball just got an update locking rotation down :)\n sturmflut2, I wonder if you have been involved there\n sturmflut2, fyi: https://github.com/pseuudonym404/neverball-touch/issues/9\n mzanetti: It's all popey's fault!\n popey, pfff... really... you had to mess that up?\n :D\n I don't even know what... but blaming popey is always fun\n sturmflut2, why?\n mzanetti: https://github.com/pseuudonym404/neverball-touch/issues/8\n indeed, popey's fault :D\n why would you suggest a landscape app to lock to portrait?\n nik90, hey, I am writting a system test for the clock app and I need to delete the all the alarms that were set. Is any way to do it but not using the ui\n nik90, the autopilot test goes through the ui and delete it\n hello all\n I need some help, please\n is anyone awake?\n !ask\n Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience\n ok, well, I have a published desktop software in developer.ubuntu.com, and the updated package is still waiting for approval since weeks. I really need to publish te updated version.\n cachio: It is not easy deleting the alarms in the backend. If you're using EDS, you need to stop the process and delete its db files. But that would also affect the calendar app.\n how can I contact someone who can give a review?\n cachio: which is why the current AP tests are resorting to deleting it via the UI (although its not the most reliable)\n davmor2, see Frantique above ^^\n nik90, the test is the test_add_recurring_type_alarm_must_add_to_alarm_list\n balloons: not me\n balloons: beuno and his team\n Frantique: is this a desktop app or a click app\n nik90, which is the process and where are located the db files?\n cachio: one sec, let me get the info\n nik90, tx\n davmor2: Desktop app\n the click app is reviewed automatically\n beuno: ^\n by the way, the initial review was made by asciigirl.\n cachio: atm EDS handles alarms and its db is located in .local/share/evolution/tasks/*somefoldername/tasks.ics file\n cachio: however the issue is that the *somefoldername is usually random .. not sure how to take that into account while writing the test\n cachio: the process is evolution-calendar-factory afaik\n nik90, thanks! I'll try using glob python module that helps for this scenario\n cachio: cool, np\n * popey scrolls back to find out what he's blamed for\n downside of having a smart watch is I get notified when I'm blamed for stuff, but don't necessarily know why :)\n mzanetti: oh :S\n popey, :P\n fair point\n hi guys\n can some one tell me how i can have an app that whn offline (not connected to the web) see the things it had in cache but when you're connected to the web it updates the cache??\n by adding the necessary logic in javascript ... ?\n for example\n you have an app\n well, that was more a rhetoric question :)\n and when you're offline you see the last thing you saw when you where online\n but then when you come online you have your cache updated with the new things\n balloons, I'm getting this error trying to run the AP plugin:\n Starting /usr/bin/autopilot3-sandbox-run...\n E: Xephyr executable not found. Please install Xephyr\n any ideas?\n balloons, zbenjamin, seems qtcreator-plugin-autopilot needs a dependency on xserver-xephyr\n dpm: yeah that could be\n zbenjamin, balloons, is there a way to get Qt Creator to choose whether I want the Run button to just run the app or run the tests?\n with the autopilot plugin installed, that is\n dpm, mmm.. it should depend on autopilot.. but autopilot never included xephyr as a hard depends\n dpm, yes use the run selector in the lower left\n balloons, I just did an install of qtcreator-plugin-autopilot, and that didn't install xserver-xephyr\n ah, yeah, it just picked up the AP runconfig, but I can switch between them as usual, neat!\n dpm, correct, it won't, even if the plugin depends on autopilot (which it should)\n autopilot has never had xephyr as a dependency\n so, we could / should add it directly to the package\n yeah, otherwise it's not really a good experience for those who install it\n noted, thanks dpm\n also, should it not default to the AP test runconfig?\n dpm: sure you can switch through the run configs\n balloons: there is no way to default to a RC\n balloons, otherwise looks really nice!\n zbenjamin, thanks\n balloons: the one i released already has the MR btw\n zbenjamin, haha, nice\n vila: ping\n 29 app store updates today o_O\n On a monday!\n#ubuntu-app-devel 2015-07-07\n good morning\n hello everybody\n i'd like to stream webcam from c++ to QML, from C++ side i've subclassed QAbstractVideoSurface and thanks to frameAvailable im able to get QImage\n im stuck how to get this QImage (updated) from QML side, any ideas please ?\n hi\n is there a (very) simple example on how to create a c++ + qtquick app?\n preferrably something that works in qtcreator as well\n ohmy: you should learn how qtmultimedia integrates with qml. You've already done good by implementing a QAbstractVideoSurface\n you don't want to get a QImage (which is not on the GPU). Instead it is better to put the webcam frame into a texture on the GPU, which then QtMultimedia & QML can render\n greyback: sure, the thing is that i need a way to view theses images in two (or more different) windows, reason why i'm not using the camera element of QML\n greyback: and i'm nnot OpenGL expert, i really just need to grab these frames and show them in two separate qml containers\n greyback: do you know any example that can helps me ?\n ohmy: you need to view the live webcam output in 2 separate places simultaneously? Or a live view in one, and a static frame in another\n greyback: two live in 2 separate QML containers at the same time (same PC)\n ohmy: hmm, I suggest you investigate 2 channels. One is to try writing a qml test file using QtMultimedia to play a video\n https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/QtMultimedia.VideoOutput/\n and then modify it to see if you can have two VideoOutputs using the same MediaPlayer as their source\n if that works, I suggest you continue your work and integrate your webcam as a backend for qtmultimedia\n greyback: im trying, AFAIK you can only have one VideoOutput :( but i'm trying, thanks a lot\n ohmy: if you are indeed correct, you'll have a tougher time of it. You'll need to write a custom QQuickItem do to the job.\n greyback: thanks a lot\n ohmy: this might interest you: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11836175/\n ohmy: it shows the video twice on screen. It's not the most efficient approach however\n but it might be enough for you\n greyback: te first approach does not look to work :( bool QDeclarativeVideoOutput::createBackend(QMediaService*) Media service has neither renderer nor window control available.\n greyback: thanks a lot trying this one\n ohmy: that error I think has more to do with qtmultimedia not finding a backend which can play the media\n greyback: i see\n greyback: it happends only when i use a second VideoOutput\n hmm\n ok, well see my pastebn above. It uses only 1 VideoOutput, but displays is twice\n greyback: i saw shader trick, its very nice, the thing is that i need to show the videos in two separate windows\n oh windows\n greyback: yes i understood\n still might be do-able\n greyback: yes windows/rectangles\n greyback: thanks a lot for your time, really appreciated, i'm stuck since few hours now\n ohmy: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11836259/\n proves the shader trick works across windows\n since it's using an FBO in the background\n greyback: thanks so much, i'm trying to understand why its not working on my PC\n greyback: QQuickItem: Cannot use same item on different windows at the same time.\n ohmy: I'm using qt5.4 on vivid.\n to make video playback work, I had to install one of these: https://launchpad.net/~mc3man/+archive/ubuntu/gstffmpeg-keep/+packages\n greyback: sure i have already gstreamer ffmpeg\n greyback: on video is displayer but the other window is white\n greyback: its probably the way im loading qml's\n ohmy: I just load that file with \"qml\"\n greyback: sure im using QQmlApplicationEngine load\n greyback: it works perfectly, im trying now to change MediaPlayer and use Camera element\n greyback: really thanks\n ohmy: welcome!\n what channel do i need to flash to get the wily branch?\n ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/ubuntu?\n the App Dev School workshops are out of date no?\n can anyone tell me how to change the text of a text object from c++ code?\n dubstar_04, that should get you wily\n even just ubuntu-touch/devel/ubuntu should\n balloons, thanks.\n how much of this is still good: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jgn1nJeBjgQO3RzDMZ44wM606u6u02U6bVgtaSHkUA0/edit ?\n popey, is there any other purpose other than crediting the authors for https://code.launchpad.net/~popey/music-app/add-authors/+merge/263910 ? .. eg a hook in click to link to this and then display the authors in the copyright info in system-settings?\n ahayzen: two fold, thanking, but also, I want to link to it from a website\n rather than have a list of contributors on the website\n because the list is long and it makes the page look bad :)\n popey, ah cool :-) hopefully we'll be able to have a hook in click/snappy one day :-)\n yeah!\n popey, did you auto generate this from the bzr history ?\n yes\n also, sed, sort, uniq etc\n sweet \\o/\n might get the new icon in soon, wonder if anyone will notice the music one, it's quite subtle\n probably won't...i hardly did lol\n heh\n i had to double check it was the new one :)\n popey, after https://code.launchpad.net/~ahayzen/music-app/fix-1470755-playlist-0-append/+merge/263707 i sense us wanting to land a click anyway\n which must mean the old one was already awesome\n hey all is \"delegate: Subtitled \" dead\n ?\n ahayzen: that would be great, post OTA5\n popey, it'll hopefully be in tonight, just some OCD from me/victor in the comments at the moment :-)\n haha\n ahayzen: ^\n zsombi, hi, have you been able to look at bug 1469471 and bug 1468100 both are related to the new listitems and the first is blocking it from landing in music\n bug 1469471 in ubuntu-ui-toolkit (Ubuntu) \"Checkbox shown in the ListView Multiselect mode does not obey selected property\" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1469471\n bug 1468100 in ubuntu-ui-toolkit (Ubuntu) \"ListItems with trailing but no leading actions, after swiping right break selectMode\" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1468100\n ahoneybun, https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Components.ListItems.Subtitled/ ?\n Subtitled is not a type\n the SDK says\n I'm following a old guide so it might be that\n ahoneybun, check the import is right\n import QtQuick.XmlListModel 2.0 ?\n import Ubuntu.Components.ListItems 1.0\n weird\n OMG Neverball is working on mako! .. see you next week folks i've got some gaming todo lol\n so it does not like the \"as ListItem\" at the end anymore\n lol\n yay it work!!!!\n ahoneybun, if you were using as ListItem then you need todo ListItem.Subtitled {\n * ahoneybun is making a Full Circle Mag app\n trying anyway\n ahayzen: /\n http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11837276/\n it is telling me ArticleContent is not a type\n ahoneybun, where is the file ArticleContent.qml ?\n it is not a file\n oh\n right naming crap\n also the curly braces situation at the bottom looks fun\n ?\n L60-66 look like they have appeared overtabbed... probably just the conversion to pastebin\n same here\n something that the SDK did I think\n yeah just ignore it, just some minor OCD on my behalf :-)\n works all well now\n thanks ahayzen\n no problem :-)\n ahayzen: now I have a working feed from the Full Circle Mag in my app :)\n sweet \\o/\n now to work on the Issues tab...\n no clue on how that would work\n ahayzen: http://imgur.com/yQGJtbr\n ahoneybun, i gtg will be back later if your still having issues\n ok\n thanks\n ahayzen: no, I did not, but I'll check 'em asap!!!\n ahayzen: nice catches btw!!!\n kalikiana: forgot to update API file? https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/shortcuts/+merge/262413\n zsombi: grrrr I was sure I did.... apparently I didn't commit that\n :)\n kalikiana: also one comment on https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/noDoCleanup/+merge/264053\n zsombi: fix pushed\n kalikiana: happroved\n zsombi: note that I'm not technically \"fixing\" anything, I'm removing references to an obsolete bug ;-) more importantly, won't changing the list type break apps? when up to now they would only emit a warning\n zsombi: I guess we can try go UCAction all the way.. and see if that goes thru\n kalikiana: the API was documented as list, the bug was marked by t1mp as won't fix by mistake. We were supposed to work only with list not with list. So if we fix the bug (which I've marked as valid and in progress) then we need to fix the type as well\n kalikiana: also, you were dealing with this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telephony-service/+bug/1372061\n Launchpad bug 1372061 in unity8 (Ubuntu) \"SMS notification: time format not translatable\" [High,In progress]\n kalikiana: do you remember where did you left with it?\n kalikiana: let's catch up tomorrow on it\n zsombi: we discussed it, and were debating whether i18n.relativeTime(timestamp).string would re-evaluate correctly but I never see any code from dednick trying that approach\n zsombi:what did I mark as Won't Fix?\n t1mp: check the bug above\n kalikiana: I see... we have to help dednick to get that done... if we can still...\n zsombi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telephony-service/+bug/1372061 ? It is not marked as Won't Fix\n Launchpad bug 1372061 in unity8 (Ubuntu) \"SMS notification: time format not translatable\" [High,In progress]\n t1mp: yes, no longer, as I did revive it :)\n weird, I don't see it in the history either\n t1mp: and we were not talking about that bug, sorry :)\n ahh\n t1mp: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1369874\n Launchpad bug 1369874 in ubuntu-ui-toolkit (Ubuntu) \"[Unity Dependency] Cleanup workarounds made to accept any QObject as Action or ActionContext.\" [Medium,In progress]\n t1mp: that was the one :)\n hmm, okay\n kalikiana: hmm... can we get dednick on line at all?\n I don't remember the details. Seemed like the bug was not valid any more because we don't use the unity actions any more\n t1mp: the bug was about to remind us to fix the API\n not that we use or not unity actions\n we kept it till we get apps cleaned to not to use unity Actions\n and that was fixed\n t1mp: but our API still uses list and not list\n ok, let's reload this tomorrow\n zsombi: I've seen him before, let's assume he didn't disappear from the earth, but he might just be away :-D\n kalikiana: in the worst case we have to do the changes, based on the MR we rejected\n kalikiana: shortcust MR landed in staging :)\n * zsombi eod\n ya\n y\n * zsombi eo sweating day :D\n +1000\n zsombi: seems like the bug is actually saying to use list instead of list\n According to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps/ there is a calendar app for Ubuntu Touch. The question is, where do I find it on the phone?\n TLyngeJ: its not pre-installed, its in the store\n Bah, your right :-) Just assumed \"Core apps\" would mean it got installed when I flashed the gizmo. Anyway, thanks.\n No one knows here how to create a web service??\n#ubuntu-app-devel 2015-07-08\n what happened to ListItem.Standard?\n Ubuntu.Compontents 1.2 does not work with it\n hello\n good morning\n kalikiana: you got some comments on https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/listItemRightClick/+merge/262177\n kalikiana: this relative time translation is interesting...\n kalikiana: I see a timer which updates the translation, and that may force us to have a component...\n dholbach: I am about to upload 7 click packages for which the only change is the icon, would you mind reviewing them for me as a double-check?\n They are same revision as existing store versions, just added a .1 (or .2) to take the new icon update\n ok\n let me know when they're uploaded and I'll take care of it\n thanks dholbach\n dholbach: all done, requested manual review for those that need it\n popey, is there a way to download the old version from the store somehow?\n .. like the current one\n dholbach: http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/2015/07/2015-07-08-050001/\n thanks\n np\n popey, done\n * popey hugs dholbach \n zbenjamin: any reports on QtC crash on 14.04 LTS recently?\n Mirv: no\n not that i know of\n zbenjamin: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11840535/ - I can, at most, click one tab before it crashes. I've cleaned .config/{Qt,Troll]* etc. weird.\n Mirv: hm , that looks really weird it crashes in QXcb\n zbenjamin: ok, it's all Qt5 programs.. I guess Qt 5.2.1 doesn't like my laptop's touchpad inputs\n zbenjamin: which is a bit sad, since then it could affect many people and 5.2.1 might be \"slightly\" hard to fix if it's something fixed with a major overhaul in 5.3, 5.4, ...\n Mirv: ugh, time to upgrade :)\n zbenjamin: well I can switch to my wily LXC qtcreator, I just thought the 14.04 LTS SDK experience would be the stable one for me :)\n zbenjamin: I know I'd love to just stay on devel, but I thought I'd try the LXC route with my new machine, handling everything fresh via that and later LXD\n Mirv: yeah sounds good :), but i would prefer a machine with systemd so i could use systemd-nspawn\n zbenjamin: ah damn but that starts to become slightly more problematic when one wants to run qemu inside LXC or route USB device to it... aaanyway, it might be that this is simply because I'm now using just the laptop itself, normally I use external mouse/keyboard and this is probably related to the touchpad input driver vs old Qt\n zbenjamin: I'm already quite in the deep water for myself, running graphical apps via LXC :)\n :D\n popey: the new Music icon hit! and it looks great!\n I need to access a Google service API (books), that does not yet exist in the OnlineAccount's. How does one achieve that?\n TLyngeJ: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/platform/guides/online-accounts-developer-guide/ , at the bottom\n I've tried to define the new service in the app.service and app.application files, but it seems like something else is needed to get the new triggered.\n Ohh, let's have a look at that.\n TLyngeJ: I think google books uses OAuth 2.0, so it should be easier\n it does\n popey: I should let Stallman play Stallboard lol\n good luck with that\n XD\n he is going to be at an event I'm going to\n I'd be interested to know what he says :)\n (record what he says for version 2) :)\n lol\n popey: I just downloaded Snowball World going to play it in a bit\n looks cool\n popey: he won't touch it will he is ubuntu and full of spyware and stuff\n true davmor2\n dpm: i can create milestones in app specific projects, how on earth do you make them in ubuntu-phone-coreapps so they're accessible to blueprints?\n That 'add milestone' button always eludes me\n davmor2: we have a sound for that :)\n popey: I know\n popey, I think you can't have both (app-specific milestones and global blueprints). So if the milestones apply to all apps, then we can file them under the ubuntu-phone-coreapps-common project (and BPs as well). If the milestones are _not_ global, then we can file them and the BPs under the one app\n dpm: right, i made them under the app because you need them there for bug tagging\n but the bp is under commons\n (I have always found this incredibly frustrating, and was only done this way for the burndown charts iirc)\n dpm: shall i move the bp to the app?\n popey, yeah, that's what I was going to suggest\n given a) its app specific and we dont use burndown\n ok\n indeed\n also b)\n ok\n yeah, app-specific milestones and app-specific BP that matches those milestones\n is ListItem.Standard dead?\n in Ubuntu.Compontents 1.2?\n I now just using ListItem but it has some weird spacing when using Label\n http://imgur.com/NXensVQ\n Right, so the bottom section, of page that was linked too, regarding adding access to a new service at Google, apparently descripes how to add a new provider, like Google, not add a new service to an existing provider.\n I tried to have a look at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-calendar-dev/ubuntu-calendar-app/trunk/files/691 to see how that register the calander service, but I got none the wiser.\n TLyngeJ: huh?\n popey: You know how the core app add access to the Google calendar API, in the OnlineAccounts? I'd like to acheive the same, just for Google Books.\n Oh, nice idea.\n youtube app does the same\n From my app I can access the already existing provider services (like gmail and calendar), but I can see the service that I've defined in my own .service file.\n I also took a neak peek into /usr/share/accounts/services/google-calendar.service, but still no dice.\n * TLyngeJ takes a look-see at the youtube app.\n so removing useDeprecatedToolbar got me this: qml: Page.tools is a deprecated property. Please use Page.head instead\n so much changes in 1.2\n * ahoneybun is pulling out his hair from these changes\n popey: is this still good to use?: import Ubuntu.Components.ListItems 1.0 as ListItem\n * TLyngeJ returns frome http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-youtube-dev/ubuntu-youtube-app/trunk/files\n ahoneybun: pass, maybe poke t1mp or zsombi\n I think that app is running of black magic. There is barely any code in there...\n the SDK does not like ListItem.Standard anymore...\n ahoneybun: maybe look at another app which uses ListItem and see what it uses\n popey: finding a project that use Ubuntu.Compontents 1.2 is hard lol\n ahoneybun: one mo\n I just added the ListItems compontent for the heck of it\n i wrote a script somewhere which scans every app in the store and reports what they use\n it is just that this page: https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Components.ListItem/\n seems to say that the core Ubuntu.Compontent imports ListItem\n ahoneybun: hey pal. I noticed that too. It basically seems there currently is no good \"non-deprecated\" replacement for those Ubuntu.Components.ListItems other than a bareboes ListView from Ubuntu.Components (that supports swipe actions, etc). You need to flesh it out yourself. I was actually thinking of fixing the situation and work out a set of reusable listview components I would submit to ubuntu component store, but I'm currently a tad ...\n ... busy. I may get to it though some time.\n karni: currently I'm just using: import Ubuntu.Components.ListItems 1.0 as ListItem for the time being\n still\n TBH I'm a bit surprized with the decision to go ahead with barebones ListView and deprecate all those old ones\n ahoneybun: yeah, that'll work for some time at least\n I really should use UbuntuShape for my Family tab...\n I want to use the toolbar items\n ahoneybun: there should be no problem using Ubuntu.Components.ListItems\n thanks t1mp\n ahoneybun: although in 1.2 we have the new ListItem component that will replace the Ubuntu.Components.ListItems\n ahoneybun: for the new ListItem we do not have default layouts yet, so everything that is inside the list item (title, icon, ..) you have to add yourself\n Hey there\n t1mp: so ListItem.Standard/Header and such are gone?\n ahoneybun: see https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Components.ListItem/ and https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/blog/2015/04/15/retrospective-and-roadmap-ui-toolkit/\n some one know anything about creating a webservice ??\n ahoneybun: they still exist, but they will be removed for UITK 2.0 (which we did not yet start to work on)\n so I have time\n ahoneybun: yes\n all these changes\n ahoneybun: ListItem.Standard etc. are still even in UITK 1.3 (which we are working on but is not released yet)\n ok\n ahoneybun: but the new ListItem has cool new features such as left/right swipe to show actions, and its performance is very good\n thats cool and all but I never have used it for that so not much use to me but a headache\n ahoneybun: here is a short list of improvements for the ListItem https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/blog/2015/03/30/ubuntu-components-1-2-release/\n ahoneybun: okay\n thanks for the info very much t1mp\n how would I use toolbaritems with tabs?\n ahoneybun: what do you mean with toolbaritems?\n code: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/ubuntu-beginner/2.0/files\n if by toolbar, you mean the bar you can swipe in from the bottom, that is deprecated\n I want a Info button on the header bar\n ahoneybun: set Page.head.actions: [ yourAction ]\n ahoneybun: see https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Components.PageHeadConfiguration/\n so this is uselss for this?:https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Components.ToolbarButton/\n ahoneybun: yes, it is useless.\n we should have that marked as deprecated, something is wrong with the docs\n DF___: i think you need to explain what you mean by web service\n very hard to keep up to date\n oh we didn't mark it as deprecated\n t1mp: so when I click the item I want it to load a qml file\n the about.qml file\n ahoneybun: probably you should put a PageStack in your app, and you can do something like Page.head.actions: [ Action { iconName: \"help\"; onTriggered: pageStack.push(Qt.resolvedUrl(\"about.qml\")) } ]\n ah there is a standard icon for info also, so you can use iconName: \"info\"\n t1mp: but I think tabs work best for this no?\n nemo: going to be a while before I can run the rebuild\n I was just looking for its name\n ahoneybun: using a PageStack seems good to me.\n o/\n t1mp: seems hard for me\n ahoneybun: Tabs always appear in the dropdown menu on the left of the title. I think an action in the header that pushes the new page on a PageStack is better.\n oh?\n hey koda\n ahoneybun: there are some PageStack examples here https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Components.PageStack/\n got it open t1mp :)\n you could use Tabs too, that is up to you. But for Tabs you cannot set the icon in the header\n :)\n hi!\n t1mp: all the pages are on top of each other lol\n nemo: mcphail sorry for moving you but i know other devs lurk here and may get benefit from your conversation :)\n ahoneybun: did you define them inside the PageStack? iirc they should be hidden automatically then\n ahoneybun: otherwise set visible: false for the Pages. The PageStack will make them visible again when you push them\n something is up lol\n foreign language to me t1mp lol\n http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11841618/\n ahoneybun: yeah, you must set the visible property of the Pages to false\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/11841633/\n ahoneybun: ^\n t1mp: this is it now: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11841636/\n ahoneybun: that is a bit strange\n why?\n ahoneybun: I think in Component.onCompleted you only want to push your root page\n yea..\n you are pushing a different page now\n I changed it\n or maybe you do want the Home page, but you have a root page defined as well\n http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11841660/\n I have the 2 pages but they are overlaping\n got it I think\n the sdk does not want to run the app on the device for some reason\n store is going to be a bit down while we work on some issues\n downloading of packages, specifically\n nemo: think I'm going to have to give up on this for today. Need to work out how to build the pascal cross-compiler cleanly\n :-/\n kk\n well. maybe can find someone like kenvandine who is building natively\n mcphail: I'm confused tho. how is upstream doing this?\n mcphail: you can't push to whatever build machine they are using for ARM?\n nemo: that might be an idea. I could build a PPA\n mcphail: I was initially hoping you could just make minor changes to whatever ubuntu process was in use.\n although, might be more convoluted for making repeated changes\n nemo: I can make the minor changes and let the PPA build-bot produce a deb. I can rip the binary from that and roll it in a click\n nemo: I can't directly install the deb as I don't have a separate phone for development. My bq is my only phone and I need it for work\n I hope the build machine has SDL2\n nemo: the build machine has whatever you tell it to have :)\n nemo: if anyone else has an ARm device, they might be able to build locally before I get a chance to roll a PPA. Keep asking\n popey\n MSG pgp\n popey, yo, did you sort your ms2 issues? ;-)\n nope\n save me obi wan\n haha oh god\n so whats the situation?\n popey, $ mediascanner-service-2.0 .. came back with an error right?\n popey, that one you sent me looks very systemd'y... does upstart for user services still exist on wily?\n no, that works\n just running it on its own successfully murders my ssd and cpu\n ah yeah if you have 5\n music app still dies tho\n terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::runtime_error' what(): Tried to open a db with schema version -1, while supported version is 8.\n Aborted (core dumped)\n ..50GB of music and 25 of pictures/videos your pretty stuffed\n hmmm and ms2 finished its scan right?\n its scanning all my cat pictures\n no\n it *has* to finish\n bah\n that blows goats\n ok, finished\n otherwise the db is in a locked/partial state\n \\o/\n * ahayzen hates the current situation\n popey, so what happens if you run music now?\n it works \\o/\n \\o/\n now go and tell the ms2 guys it takes *far* to long to scan on the desktop lol\n ya\n ooh, i have a ton of bugs to file now :)\n * ahayzen suspects that it is commiting to the db between every scan of a file\n well, at least two\n why not batch in at least sets of 10\n haha\n OKAY!\n i don't mind filing one for that ^^ i've been meaning to for a while ;-)\n ok, how about this - minimise on close.\n minimise on close?\n every other music app does that\n press x - music continues\n awful\n but how do you get it back?\n hah\n and i've said close...so close!\n click it in the launcher\n ahayzen, from launcher or indicator\n what happens if its not in the launcher?\n try it with rhythmbox, spotify, banshee, clementine\n they _all_ do it\n and the indicator doesn't exist at the moment lol\n * ogra_ hates that behavior\n and they _all_ confuse new folks\n \"arg i closed it but its still playing\"\n ignore grandpa, he was injured in the war\n a close button should close ... not minimize\n (says gampa)\n I'll file a bug and ubuntu-ux and you can argue about it\n so how would you *close* the app in you case? ... press minimize ?\n CTRL+Q\n File -> Close (lol)\n swipe up\n what happens with no keyboard ?\n open the menu, selest quit\n etc\n *select\n and on the mobile what happens there?\n swipe up - it gets killed\n because that means really go away\n but on mobile you dont have an X\n because a swipe up is different from pressing X lol\n it is in every other music app :)\n happy to thrash out the pros and cons in a bug :)\n I am not wedded to that behaviour, I just think we should consider it\n consistently designed breakage :)\n hah\n i mean if we have the spread on the desktop/converged then you'll have a swipe up *and* a X\n surely they both mean 'close this app'\n well, you shouldn't have to close apps\n but in the desktop people are trained to do it\n * ahayzen thinks it is another thing that gives value to his settings page idea for convergence\n heh\n * popey files it anyway\n hehe ;-0\n we need indicator support first :-) and i guess media-hub would need to know the difference between the 'close' and the 'close to minimise'\n popey, oh and btw VLC player closes when i press close ;-)\n * ahayzen hugs trusty VLC player\n ahayzen, yeah, thats the reason why i use it :)\n until music-app becomes viable on desktop, same for me :-)\n haha, just tested this with rhythmbox\n opened it, pressed play, pressed ALT+F4, window is gone\n can't find it anywhere :S\n this may not be an optimal example :)\n indicator\n nope\n oh, sound\n right\n yeah i've heard that from *every* knew user lol\n yep\n oh and don't close RB while it is scanning it causes apport to think its crashed :-)\n when you click the indicator, it opens, minimised\n thats crazy\n haha\n you never tried it before ?\n * popey closes bug report for another day\n i remember it being slightly broken last time, hence VLC player :-)\n this is madness\n yes\n by design\n * ahayzen assumes RB folks will blame unity\n there were long discussions on desktop before it got implemented like that\n haha, CTRLQ no longer works\n what the absolute F\n it is _impossible_ to close rb\n Ctrl+Q isn't an option just Ctrl+W for \"close window\"\n popey, from the menu\n popey, you should be using Gnome Music now anyway? it looks much nicer\n hah, it was close in the past\n i dont think there is any other way\n they did this to annoy me\n not only you\n but there is always VLC\n ;)\n port that then, chop chop\n nah, waiting for studio_ to do that\n * popey anticipates snappy mentioned shortly\n :P\n yeah what happened to the VLC discussions from like 1yr+ ago\n popey, what does Banshee do ?\n it still exists ?\n or are you an anti-mono guy? ;-)\n I am not\n I am pro free software, so I am pro mono\n otherwise try Gnome Music http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/06/music-the-gnome-music-player-is-getting-smart-new-features\n * ogra_ thought that died\n 'next gen'\n * popey imports music into banshee\n just the 3 databases of music then\n \\o/ 1 in XML..2 in sqlite ?\n banshee at least raises the window when you click the indicator\n yeah\n none sent to google or apple tho \u00e3\u008b\u009b\n hah thats what you think ;-)\n wow, i own some terrible music\n popey, tomorrow all your ads will have ABBA in them\n haha\n 2 unlimited actually :)\n I forgot how much i like banshee\n * ahayzen wonders what the state of clementine/listen/amarok etc is these days\n time to install all the music things!\n oh, also, media keys pls\n haha my media-keys with VLC was fun\n do we have a bug for that already?\n yeah somewhere\n it will \"come for free\" with background-playlists IIRC\n as media-hub will do it for us\n right jhodapp ^^ ?\n oh\n as our app will be stopped anyway so it'll have to be mh or something that will need todo the next/previous/toggle\n * popey adds media-hub to the list of things that will save us including click, snappy, mir, unity8 and juju\n ahayzen, which part exactly, media keys?\n jhodapp, yeah that'll be in media-hub right? and will work once we have bg-playlists done?\n no bugs with key or keyboard that look appropriate\n ahayzen, it won't be media-hub, it'll most likely be an indicator and the indicator will call play/pause next/prev via the MPRIS interface down to media-hub\n ah yes\n popey, that ^^\n ahayzen, I'm not quite sure if the indicator implements that yet for phone\n i remember seeing bugs for it and them being fixed\n wow, banshee is _impossible_ to kill\n $ killall banshee ?\n Anyone here feel like attempting an ubuntu touch compile of hedgewars for me? basically that thing mcphail brought up prior\n apt-get purge banshee ?\n (ah, wait ... that wont kill it)\n alt+f4, CTRL+w and close button, none of them close it\n ahayzen, cool\n right bug 1398427 had some related code\n bug 1398427 in unity8 (Ubuntu RTM) \"[dialer] + [sound] Can't use earphone to answer or disconnect a call\" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1398427\n nemo: whats needed?\n then we have bug 1437483 and bug 1231909 tracking headphone controls (basically media-keys) not *yet* working\n bug 1437483 in Ubuntu Music App \"Music app does not react to bluetooth headset buttons\" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1437483\n bug 1231909 in Ubuntu Music App \"Headphone controls aren't interacting with music-app\" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1231909\n ahayzen: https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1472716\n Launchpad bug 1472716 in Ubuntu Music App \"Music App should support media keys\" [Undecided,New]\n guess that maybe related / dupe\n hahah can i merge the 3 bugs into 1? :'(\n popey: welll pretty much compiling standard ubuntu package, but with flag MOBILE set\n popey: and a line in hedgewars/options.inc removed\n for ARM ofc\n heh\n maybe wait till mcphail gets back later?\n save duplicating what he was doing\n popey: 11:35 < mcphail> nemo: if anyone else has an ARm device, they might be able to build locally before I get a chance to roll a PPA. Keep asking\n was just going along w/ his request from a couple of hours ago\n ahh\n ok, i have a device :)\n cool. welp. if it interests you\n kenvandine tried yesterday but didn't have enough space on his\n haha\n and apparently no desire to muck about w/ microsd or nfsmount\n mine is pretty empty\n * popey installs build deps\n should have same dependencies as standard ubuntu package, apart from using GLES11 and SDL2\n After this operation, 856 MB of additional disk space will be used.\n ho ho ho\n niiice\n wow. that's a lot\n popey: oh\n popey: you don't need server or video recording\n at least for testing\n that would allow skipping libav and all of haskell\n the rest of the bloat is I 'spose qt\n x\n python 2.7\n all sorts of nonsense\n oh. is this phone not a dev env already?\n huh. what on earth do we use python for???\n that must be some ubuntu packaging thing\n popey: https://code.google.com/p/hedgewars/wiki/BuildingOnLinux the deps *we* are aware of \u00f0\u009f\u0098\u009d\n yeah\n I planned to build a deb\n because i know that works\n fair 'nuff\n popey: general goal was to see if the game could be playable on ubuntu touch w/ hopefully minor changes\n 'cause I bet it isn't right now\n sure\n which would finally mean we'd have a functioning mobile port again, for first time in years, which is neat\n http://www.ganggarrison.com/filehost/hedgeroid/hw-android-netplaydemo.apk this is probably the most recent android work that has gotten any love and it is waaaaaay out of date\n done in 2012\n http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-07-08-184354.png battery gauge on my nexus 7 is hilarious\n popey, stop shaking it all the time\n someone should fix the screenshot orientation defaults :P\n * popey adds a rotation option to his network screenshot script\n cheating !\n nemo: boooo E: IO Error to output - fwrite (28: No space left on device)\n lol\n you are the third now\n popey: microsd or nfsmount? \u00e2\u0098\u00b9\n yeesh you guys have tiny devices\n they all try on nexus tablets :)\n I have a 4GiB ubuntu image on my nexus 5 just in case I need it, or for hedgewars *desktop* development\n (ISO in a chroot)\n uh, no.\n better off building in an arm enabled ppa\n To the cloud!\n * popey wonders what channel to re-flash his nexus 7 to\n shiny-proposed\n ubuntu-touch/devel/krillin.en ?\n not sure there is a flo image in there\n why does u-d-f list it then?\n ubuntu-device-flash query --device=flo --list-channels\n did you give it the device name ?\n heh\n sounds like a boog\n pffft\n back to devel-proposed\n I need access to the Google Books API, through the OnlineAccount, using a HTML5 app. Anyone who can point me in the right direction?\n I already have .service and the .application file in place (i think), but it seems like somethin is missing.\n I already read this https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/platform/guides/online-accounts-developer-guide/\n mhall119: started using ureadit, it's rather good!\n and just noticed http://news.softpedia.com/news/ureadit-3-is-an-awesome-reddit-browser-for-ubuntu-touch-486382.shtml\n popey: just now you've started using it?\n ya\n * mcphail is learning more than he ever thought he wanted to know about virtualised cross-architecture chroots\n#ubuntu-app-devel 2015-07-09\n anyone know why my pages are overlaping the Header?\n I'm using PageStack\n the reddit page is private? https://www.reddit.com/r/UbuntuPhone/\n https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92voAhlZeHY\n good morning\n hello all\n Good morning o/\n o/\n anyone know who the ubuntu-file-manager app developer is? I know popey worked on it. I have a patch that adds thumbnails for jpegs, png's, and gifs, but autopilot is failing 10 tests\n however, autopilot is failing 10 tests even without my changes\n good morning all\n Is there anyway from QML/C++ (without compositor) to define on wich display (monitor) we can display a Window ?\n lets say i have monitor1 and monitor2 and i want programatically to show a Windows on one of them\n zubozrout: hi\n Ok, I am here mcphail\n mcphail: Hi :0\n * :)\n :) - how much experience do you have making .click packages?\n mcphail: practically zero, I only made some stuff using the SDK\n zubozrout: we don't have a working sdl template for the SDK yet, but that doesn't matter. Building and creating a .click is easy. SturmFlut is working on the template\n mcphail: Well, \"working\" is a bit much to say ;)\n Well, it would be nice to have it documented at least.\n SturmFlut: :)\n zubozrout: the first thing is to set up a build environment. Give me a sec and I'll find a link\n zubozrout: this is essential reading: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/blog/2015/04/13/inner-workings-sdk/\n zubozrout: getting a chroot set up takes time, but it is very automated and foolproof\n mcphail: ok, thanks :)\n zubozrout: the next thing you have to do is get a version of SDL which works with Mir. See: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/mcphail/ubuntu-touch-sdl-template/master/lib/src/how_to_build_sdl_for_ubuntu_phone.txt\n zubozrout: you can take the SDL libs from that github repo. They \"wrok\"\n *work\n mcphail: All right, that is fine to know. So it is not just as simple as apt-get install somesdlstuff and then running it.\n zubozrout: not quite, but when you have the framework set up is is simple\n zubozrout: the difficulty is getting the first steps done\n zubozrout: you can then compile or download the ARM binary for your SDL app and roll it in a .click package\n mcphail: well, the app has to be compiled with the above SDL libs, yes.\n zubozrout: you can compile _against_ any SDL2 libs, but you have to roll that specific version into your .click\n zubozrout: that means you can take any precompiled binary from the Ubuntu repos, but roll it with my SDL2\n mcphail: Ah :), ok, thanks :)\n zubozrout: of course, the biggest problem is that SDL2 still doesn't quite work...\n zubozrout: there are issues with coulours, transparency and rotation which are still getting smoothed out\n bschaefer is on the case\n popey what happened to the ubuntu update podcast?\n mcphail: Yes, I know of some issues. And what will happen once click is replaced with snappy packages on Ubuntu?\n zubozrout: not much difference\n zubozrout: for these purposes, click and snappy are almost identical\n (i think)\n mcphail: ok :)\n zubozrout: the hassle with building a .click is you have to bundle all the needed libraries into the click itself. Snappy will be the same\n mcphail: Well, thank you very much for the info. I'll read it and try it - and then ask here again if I bump into any problem\n zubozrout: enjoy! - it is easier than it looks\n mcphail: Thanks :), you were very helpful.\n mzanetti: ping :)\n An Ubuntu phone will launch in India!\n mzanetti: (or anyone who knows) what I understand in OTA-5 there will be full shell rotation and if I want to force for example portrait orientation for my app, I need to specify that in .desktop file. (thanks popey) Will there be an option to specify app orientation when the app is already running?\n SturmFlut: The meizu?\n http://i.imgur.com/TZPiI8B.png << :)\n akiva-thinkpad: Most likely, don't think it would make much sense to assume it's bq. We already know that Meizu wants to launch the MX4 with Flyme in India.\n SturmFlut: lucky :/\n I still don't have one.\n nothing in North America~\n Hopefully by the end of the year!\n akiva-thinkpad: Don't really think so, there hasn't been any committment from a manufacturer for the US market yet. And porting to a new device takes time.\n SturmFlut: Well it will come here eventually. No reason to delay it~\n SturmFlut: And what about MX5 with Ubuntu? I suppose no one wants to spread the word now, but I would soo much love to see it with Ubuntu. I wanted to purchase MX4 but MX5 is better :), more bleeding-edge.\n is it that much better :o\n ?\n akiva-thinkpad: Not to mention 64bit processor - I wanted to have a phone with that for a long time and if MX5 was available with Ubuntu I wouldn't have to wait another round :).\n akiva-thinkpad: so I think it is great, in my eyes\n :O But does it work in Canada?!\n akiva-thinkpad: Why wouldn't it?\n zubozrout: north american has different bands than the rest of the world\n mx4 does not have our band.\n best we can get is 2g\n akiva-thinkpad: Well, I know there is a problem with LTE and MX4 + MX5 in the Czech Republic (where I live), so with the supported frequencies I can only have LTE in the capital (Prague) but almost nowhere else although I have LTE with my Nexus 7 deb tablet all over the country.\n lucky europeans :P\n akiva-thinkpad: Well, maybe lucky europeans except for the Czech Republic. I think Canada has better (nicer) mobile carriers than are here.\n We have wind, thats it\n Rogers... oh my blood pressure...\n \"What do you mean I owe you $500 ? You cancelled my phone 5 months ago; I couldnt even use it!\" Reply:\n akiva-thinkpad: hmm, and no Vodafone or T-mobile? I know they are in the USA.\n \"oh no, we just cancelled your service, you still need to pay for your plan\"\n No, and the best network in the US is Ting\n which ironically is from Canada, but can't operate in Canada\n akiva-thinkpad: lol, well, that's sad. Yep, I heard about Ting, it has pretty nice reviews.\n mivoligo, not in the beginning, but there are plans for such an api\n mzanetti: thanks, is that the rest I said correct?\n zubozrout, akiva-thinkpad: At least at the moment there isn't any information regarding the MX5, and Ubuntu also doesn't officially run on 64-bit ARM yet. I've asked about 64-bit ARM, because it would be nice if the Convergence device by bq came with it, but no info.\n mivoligo, yep\n SturmFlut: 64bit would just add a bit more speed, and +2gb of ram? or is it different than x86?\n mzanetti: ok, so \"automaticOrientation: false\" is no longer supported?\n exactly\n SturmFlut: Hmm, well, it sounds like I shouldn't hold my breath if there is no 64bit ARM support yet. So even if MX5 is going to be available with Ubuntu it won't be that soon as I want it to be, right?\n akiva-thinkpad: The AArch64 mode of ARMv8 is completely different than ARMv7. It's not an extension, it's a new design.\n mzanetti: btw what about the lock screen, does it rotate as well?\n mivoligo: haha, no\n SturmFlut: sounds complex~\n mivoligo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1471609\n Launchpad bug 1471609 in unity8 (Ubuntu) \"Cannot unlock phone in landscape\" [Critical,Confirmed]\n popey: :D\n ^^\n mzanetti: are you planning to update MvsM any time soon?\n zbenjamin: yeah, fun, SDK works just fine as long as I don't touch the laptop's internal touchpad :S\n mivoligo, probably yes\n mzanetti: I'll try to update that level 23 and push it in the evening then\n ok\n akiva-thinkpad: Okay, I was wrong I hear, the bq Convergence device should be 64-bit :)\n SturmFlut: So the Aquarius that is released is 64bit?\n SturmFlut, who told you that ?\n (then it cant be arm )\n ogra_: akiva-thinkpad ment 64bit arm\n Well its all greek to me\n havn't been following hte arm hardware scene.\n the*\n well, thats more a software issue :)\n only about 60% of the phone packages even build on arm64 yet\n ogra_: So it is in works to support arm64?\n the ubuntu archive has arm64 support since ages already ...\n meh, all I care about is autopilot... and why trunk fails for me, but not for jenkins.\n but the packages havent been fixed to build on it ...\n nobody bothered\n partialkly they even have arm64 completely disabled\n getting that fixed and getting arm64 images at all will be quite some developer effort that will draw a lot of manpower\n ogra_: Well, this answers my question about MX5 releasing with Ubuntu :). Sad, I wanted to wait for it even if it meant few months but this sounds like it wont be ready for another year or so.\n zubozrout, well, its not impossible\n ah I think I figured out why...\n technically everything is there... but i dont see us having the spare manpower to get all the missing pieces in place in time\n popey: import Ubuntu.Components 1.2 << that is the current state right?\n the current version?\n because jenkins is complaining: file:///usr/share/filemanager/qml/components/FolderListDelegate.qml:19:1: module \"Ubuntu.Components\" version 1.2 is not installed\n import Ubuntu.Components 1.2\n akiva-thinkpad: jenkins is running on utopic :(\n balloons: when you wake, any more poking we can do to move to vivid?\n mzanetti: one more question: what about forcing screen saver not to show up, is it implemented in OTA-5?\n yes\n popey: so... just give it a few days?\n mzanetti: \\o/\n going to drop bigmovingtext from openstore\n mivoligo, you should change your code to not always do \"screensaverEnabled: false\"\n mzanetti: I'm working right now on the update :)\n but rather: screensaverEnabled: textAnimation.running && Qt.application.active\n something like that would be best imo\n ogra_: I understand, ... but maybe it would be best for me to buy something cheaper than MX4, so BQ ... stick with it for a while and then switch to something better once it is available. And I must agree with SturmFlut that amr64 would be gorgeous for the converfence device.\n * arm64\n mzanetti: thanks, is it from: \"import QtSystemInfo 5.0\"?\n oh btw popey, I just discovered your podcast; I love it. Anyways gotta run~ See you all\n o/\n Has anyone had any success setting up an emulated environment for comiling ARM binaries on AMD64 (rather than cross-compiling)? Have been trying with debootstrap and qemu-user-static but I am hitting roadblocks. How does the PPA build system achieve this?\n which apt mirror hosts armhf binaries?\n ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports\n ogra_: cheers\n mcphail: I'm tempted to buy a cheap arm chromebook for doing stuff like this\n popey: I'm 95.989% of the way to solving it\n \\o/\n can you make an image and put it online somewhere? :)\n popey: yep\n \\o/\n popey: if it works...\n we have faith in you\n is it working yet?\n etc\n the \"royal\" we?\n ya\n renatu: when you get a moment - https://bugs.launchpad.net/sync-monitor/+bug/1472973 - one of the insiders reported issues syncing\n Launchpad bug 1472973 in sync-monitor \"calendar fails to sync google calendar\" [Undecided,New]\n popey, thanks, I added a comment on the bug report\n popey: my base image is 693M. Don't think I'm going to be able to host that anywhere useful. Would be faster for anyone to reproduce the build...\n mcphail: if it's reproducible I can do that and host it\n ping me the instructions and I'll take a look\n popey: in channel or in /msg?\n whatever :)\n a paste somewhere or something is fine\n popey: hokay\n ta\n popey: think this covers it - http://paste.ubuntu.com/11848280/ . That should give a base armhf vivid install. Would need to add the development packages etc\n kk, thanks\n popey: gzipped base image is about 350MB\n qemu-user-static is a great little invention\n ya\n Is the Ubuntu-SDK PPA built for ARM?\n mcphail: the ppa has that enabled, yes\n good\n If I don't install the SDK, is the \"click\" package in the standard repos sufficient to build phone packages?\n mcphail: I don't always build click packages, but when I do, I use the ppa.\n ok, I'll see how I get on\n jhodapp: question - we now have the ability for apps to intelligently prevent screen off (e.g. in a game) - how about in mediaplayer - when watchin a video in a browser, I don't want the screen to go off.\n is that on your roadmap?\n popey, the oxide team is actually adding that right now\n sweet!\n nemo: ping\n mcphail: \\o/\n got it working??\n nemo: need to remind me of the tweaks you want\n mcphail: set MOBILE flag in build, and delete line 43 of hedgewars/options.inc\n nemo: great. I'm on it\n cool\n * nemo crosses fingers\n mcphail: just to doublecheck. line 43 is the HWENGINE one \u00e2\u0098\u00ba\n since the desktop frontend expects a separate process right now\n er\n HWLIBRARY\n CMake Warning: Manually-specified variables were not used by the project: MOBILE - is that a problem?\n (btw, I'm using the source tarball in this chroot rather than the git repo...)\n popey, here's the MR in fact: https://code.launchpad.net/~justinmcp/oxide/1328494/+merge/263998\n mcphail: ack\n srs?\n hm\n wierd...\n mcphail: checking cmake setup for engine\n also pinging koda\n mcphail: since we shifted engine to use cmake build it has had more weird issues and a bit more opaque a build process\n (like failing to rebuild on code changes \u00e2\u0098\u00b9 )\n nemo: that's a big problem for a build system...\n no kidding\n spent like an hour once trying to figure out why the hell my change wasn't fixing a bug\n before the obv occurred to me\n well this is frustrating. I don't see any toggle in CMakeLists.txt for this. might have to manually add it to that file \u00e2\u0098\u00b9\n but let me poke koda about this\n mcphail: that is, I don't see a add_definitions(-dMOBILE) anywhere\n Bah - it has linked against SDL1.2 :(\n mcphail: only desktop version\n mcphail: mobile has always built against SDL2\n mcphail: the CMakeLists.txt already has:\n if(${SDL_VERSION} VERSION_GREATER 1.3) add_definitions(-dSDL2)\n endif()\n but SDL2 is enabled if you can set MOBILE\n hopefully linking is same. seems to be\n nemo: I just used \"-DMOBILE=1\" as a build flag. Was that the correct way?\n mcphail: that's for a cmake flag, but I don't see it being passed on to the engine there\n mcphail: I *thought* our CMakeLists.txt would have relayed it. that's what's annoying me\n I'm thinking the lack of mobile devs in past few years has triggered bitrot as koda messed w/ CMake\n mcphail: you could just add add_definitions(-dMOBILE) to hedgewars/CMakeLists.txt for now\n pending consulting w/ him on this\n maybe just above add_definitions(-dDEBUGFILE)\n on line 209\n nemo: do I need to delete the Makefile after changing CMakeLists.txt?\n mcphail: should detect the change\n if you rerun cmake\n hell. if you run make\n ok :)\n mcphail: what worries me though, is because this is required, it makes me think the CMakeLists.txt currently has no mobile support. which is bad for linking\n mcphail: I do hope since we ocassionally screw around with SDL2 that that should work at least \u00e2\u0098\u00b9\n nemo: I'm going to do a clean build because this is throwing multiple errors\n find_package(SDL1or2)\n hopefully it finds 2 \u00e2\u0098\u00ba\n nemo: getting stuck with this one: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11849555/ - any ideas? At least (I think) this suggests it is using SDL2...\n oh good\n mcphail: that means it is hitting the MOBILE block in the engine which is adding the gles11 unit\n mcphail: now, in the old android build, a gles11.pp was provieded in project_files/Android-build but ideally we'd get this from ubuntu's package management\n mcphail: I'm checking to see if you guys do in fact package this anywhere \u00e2\u0098\u00ba\n mcphail: otherwise we could toss it into the dir\n ok\n nemo: as I said. I don't have any particular knowledge on the issue. but figured can't hurt to hang out here :P\n hi sheepluva\n trying to coax koda here but apparently hectic day at work for him\n hum... not finding it anywhere \u00e2\u0098\u00b9\n 18:26 <@koda> needs gles11 unit\n 18:26 <@koda> should be checked under fpc unit folder\n sheepluva: the only gles11 unit I have is that android custom one\n it binds against External_library='GLESv1_CM'; {Setup as you need}\n Loadgles11('libGLESv1_CM.so');\n sheepluva: so those would need changing at a minimum\n mcphail: hm.. does ubuntu touch need gles11? \u00e2\u0098\u00ba\n sheepluva: you know, this kinda surprises me 'cause I thought we were using GLES11 across the board now\n nemo: I honestly don'y know :)\n {$IFDEF MOBILE} {$DEFINE HWLIBRARY}\n {$DEFINE GLunit:=gles11} {$DEFINE USE_LANDSCAPE_AMMOMENU} {$DEFINE USE_TOUCH_INTERFACE}\n {$ELSE}\n sheepluva: boooo\n sheepluva: 1) we got that far already, 2) pastebin \u00f0\u009f\u0098\u009d\n nemo: off to do some domestic chores for a while. If you get a solution, I'll catch it in the /lastlog\n does the build destination? the ubuntu touch thing? doesn't have regular gl?\n sheepluva: well ubuntu touch targets mobile devices, so I'm gonna guess GLES is standard on the device. but I had no idea if maybe it had an abstraction layer or something\n sheepluva: also, I know that MOBILE sets gles11 but I wasn't sure if that was redundant or not\n hi\n sorry\n well. eyeballing the flag, seems gles11 only impacts our code in extension loading\n so. assuming opengl apps normally build on an ubuntu touch, and opengl is available..\n gonna guess we could maybe remove GLunit:=gles11 and, possibly if it causes a problem on startup, kill the extension loading\n we don't use it for anything important anyway\n video recording and 3d rendering\n mcphail: ok. you mind deleting that line too? \u00e2\u0098\u00ba\n mcphail: you mean that you are using full fledged gl unit in fpc ? :o\n hi\n how can i create a button in qml for ubuntu touch?\n koda: well... my problem was that the gles11 stuff seemed custom to android (and maybe iOS)\n koda: gles11 isn't provided by the system\n so I was hoping we could get away w/ full gl unit\n no it's custom to *mobile* opengl\n there are missing functions between gles11 and gl\n koda: I mean gles11.pp is under Android-build\n koda: uh. why isn't that reflected in the code?\n only thing that gles11 seems to flag is extension loading\n I thought we targeted GLES11 across the board\n and that it was a subset of full gl\n because the code uses gles11 which matches gl1.0\n so it works fine on desktop and amobile\n koda: right? thought that's what I was saying\n koda: but my point is... if system has gl unit in fpc, then it should just work if gles11 unit is deleted\n koda: if it doesn't, because ubuntu touch has phone issues on that front, then will need to adapt the android build unit right?\n since I couldn't find an ubuntu package explicitly for it, like, say, fp-unit-gles\n i don't think so, gles11 comes bundled in the arm fpc package afair\n oh realllly\n then he should not have gotten a build error eh\n it depends how the fpc pkg is distributed on ubuntu mobile :p\n * nemo pokes mcphail \n you mind checking to see if gles11 is under the fpc tree on your build machine?\n or, for that matter, any gl unit at all?\n that is, under /usr/lib/fpc/*/units probably\n koda: the thing is, I *think* this package already exists for ubuntu touch\n so that suggests someone is building the entire ecosystem\n well. maybe I misunderstood.\n nemo: no gles under /usr/lib/fpc/ anywhere\n perhaps it is just packaged for arm, and if it works under ubuntu touch is just luck\n mcphail: how about opengl\n nemo: yes - but can't use that on phone\n bleh\n mcphail: ok... so. the android build used a custom gles11.pp that added bindings against a gles so\n it would be *nice* if ubuntu could package this in fashion koda mentioned \u00e2\u0098\u00ba\n but failing that, could do it manually I guess\n nemo: :)\n mcphail: I was kinda hoping that possibly ubuntu was providing an opengl stub against gles11 - for apps that might possibly work w/ it.\n mcphail: hm...\n koda: hey. question.\n koda: if the build was against the gl fpc, but we only used gles11 routines...\n er. wait. no... would require the gl lib to target the phone gles. nm\n guess that unit isn't even built for touch\n probably would be missing stuff\n nemo: I don't know anything about pascal so can't offer any suggestions\n mcphail: well... if I knew the name of the gles11 library on the phone could try adapting https://code.google.com/p/hedgewars/source/browse/project_files/Android-build/gles11.pp I guess \u00e2\u0098\u00b9\n mcphail: could file a bug against ubuntu touch asking for that mobile targetted arm package, but I guess that's lol\n nemo: just the name of the package giving the C libs for gles?\n mcphail: well... reading that gles11.pp says it was automatically generated\n but, most of it seems pretty generic\n so I was hoping I could simply update Loadgles11('libGLESv1_CM.so'); to be your libgles name\n then toss gles11.pp into hedgewars/\n or well. have you do both of those \u00f0\u009f\u0098\u009d\n libGLESv2.so.2.0.0 and libGLESv1_CM.so.1.1.0\n ooooh\n srs!\n cool. so maybe don't have to do anything\n I bet libGLESv1_CM.so.1.1.0 is probably symlinked to libGLESv1_CM.so\n mcphail: ok. cp project_files/Android-build/gles11.pp hedgewars/\n aaaand cross fingers I guess\n nemo: well, we get a _different_ error :)\n yay\n \u00f0\u009f\u0098\u009d\n nebtw the gles11.pp is just a copy of the fpc version, so there is no problem in bundling for ubuntu touch imho\n nemo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11849907/\n hmmm\n \u00e2\u0099\u00a5 hg grep\n is teh awesome\n specifically hg grep --all\n thought so. sheepluva added that last june\n symptom of bitrot in our mobile stuff\n good news tho\n mcphail: he just failed to ifdef enough I think\n {$IFDEF USE_S3D_RENDERING OR USE_VIDEO_RECORDING}\n aah.\n is around the body of the createframebuffer\n but not the header\n nemo: paste me a patch or new file and I'll switch it around\n mcphail: hm...\n mcphail: well. I'm not sure what you are using. the branch?\n I just want that ifdef above around those 2 calls\n on your lines 81 and 82 of uRender\n mcphail: 0.9.21 + ubuntu patches?\n nemo: just the 0.9.21 tarball from the site\n 'k\n hang on then\n can I just comment those lines out?\n you could, but I was testing locally and hit another one\n USE_S3D_RENDERING is not enabled for mobile, and RenderClear has same issue\n procedure RenderClear (mode: TRenderMode);\n will need that too\n ugh. DrawWorld too. maaaan\n mcphail: ok. made some minor changes to dev for those flags\n mcphail: going to transplant them into the .21 branch and pack 'em up for you as a diff\n just eyeballing it *seems* like the game should still work just w/ the ifdef tweaks \u00e2\u0098\u00ba\n transplant 'cause I think the branch is too old to merge anymore\n Months ago we couldn't even get SDL working, and now you guys are working on the third SDL game port I know of. Oh wow.\n mcphail: ok. builds w/ s3d and video recording turned off now. transplanted it onto the branch. but not worth you getting it I think\n mcphail: simply disabling those 2 lines is enough on the branch. all the rest is in .22-dev\n well. \"the rest\" one more function and a compiler error in uWorld\n https://code.google.com/p/hedgewars/source/detail?r=a0b9b678b46eccd0c66273c4f6bb016b9586d2be&name=0.9.21 fwiw\n but nice to get mobile bitrot under control again \\o/\n mcphail: we need to properly support MOBILE as a cmake flag, and maybe provide gles11 if the system isn't providing it\n don't want to add gles11.pp outright ofc, to avoid overriding system version\n nemo: was afk. Give me a minute and I'll check that out\n SturmFlut: TBH I thought this was just gonna be flip a flag and go \u00e2\u0098\u00ba\n SturmFlut: or I would have probably stayed in my channel \u00f0\u009f\u0098\u009d\n but nice to see all that mobile work from iOS and Android days so many years ago actually get some use\n mcphail: hm... gotta go in a couple of minutes\n or I'l get stuck in traffic for sure and miss kid's class\n nemo: np - will have to go soon anyway. Got a bit further then - http://paste.ubuntu.com/11850158/\n huh...\n koda: \u00e2\u0086\u0091\n don't see where that should be coming from\n but gotta go\n nemo: 365: fingers[index].id := nilFingerId;\n some leftover probably\n mcphail: should be enough to remove it\n ok - it compiles but I'm now getting a raft of SDL linker errors. Might have to give up on this for the evening\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/11850217/\n * mcphail gives up for the evening and decides to _play_ hedgewars instead\n hah\n thats the spirit\n how do i write to a file and read from it in an app? ./file doesn't seem to work\n i suppose i need to specify a path where writing is allowed. but where is that?\n It would be brilliant to get this game on the phone. Never played it before\n how do I take screenshots with the command line?\n phablet-tools does not exist\n the command is phablet-screenshot\n which is in the phablet-tools package\n anyone can tell me where to store a file from an app?\n oh ok thans popey\n np\n *thanks\n mr-tt: the standard XDG directories\n popey: so it has rw access to all .config .local etc?\n https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/platform/guides/app-confinement/\n look for xdg on that page\n right at the bottom\n popey: how do i read the env variable from qt?\n not sure :)\n ah nevermind, i know what the var is\n ~/.config/appname/file should work\n There is a Qt component that gives you the application path, but where is that stupid e-mail with the name :/ can't find it\n * popey wanders off for pizza\n ttfn\n Can't you just use good old getenv from the c stdlib?\n path = QStandardPaths::writableLocation(QStandardPaths::DataLocation)\n I'm having a problem with PageStack: http://imgur.com/RudP3Cc\n code: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11851060/\n mhall119: have you used PageStack before?\n ahayzen: check this out: https://twitter.com/ATHoneycutt/status/619223728585580546\n ahayzen: do you have a click for me to submit to QA?\n or do you want me to submit trunk?\n ahoneybun: the code on your pastebin does not get me the screen of the screenshot\n really?\n oh right\n t1mp: you'll need this file called Tips.qml: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11851234/\n ahoneybun: you need to put the Flickable in Tips inside a Page\n so put Page { } around your Flickable\n it happens on the other pages as well and they don't have flickable\n ahoneybun: and set the title of the Page to \"Welcome to Ubuntu\"\n ahoneybun: I mean like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/11851271/\n oh ok t1mp\n will i18n.tr work with \"title\" as well?\n ahoneybun: yes\n cool\n it looks really good now\n t1mp: now to get it on my device..\n it will not deploy for some reason\n ahoneybun: sorry, I don't know. I would propose to deploy from QtC but I don't know how that works internally\n it does with my other WIP app\n but not uBegginer at the moment\n ahoneybun: try to catch mhall119 or zbenjamin (maybe tomorrow, it is late at night in europe now)\n thanks t1mp\n yw\n I think I see why\n the package name\n popey, trunk please :-) readme should be up to date\n sweet\n will do in the morning\n * popey adds to to-do\n I have a handy job on my laptop which runs at 7am and builds all the core apps from trunk\n for easy testing :)\n popey, awesome :-)\n even builds fat packages :)\n oh, and rsyncs them over to my server :) http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/daily_clicks/\n well I just found a security issue\n in Ubuntu Touch\n ahoneybun: please report it!\n#ubuntu-app-devel 2015-07-10\n mcphail: cool. didn't realise you hadn't played it before.\n wanna play a game?\n yay uBegginer is at 3.0 now on the Store.\n good morning\n i have a problem with my qml/c++ app. when the onscreen keyboard is active it hides part of the ui, how to avoid this?\n how can i make the ui scroll to bottom in a textarea?\n on desktop my code works on phone not -.-\n are there actually any devs in here or why no anwers?\n mr-tt: Half of the world is not awake yet, and I don't know the answer :/\n mr-tt, maybe the one here don't the answer to this specific question :) You might want to also ask it on askubuntu.com\n know*\n !ping\n pong!\n balloons: ping\n presuming you are the one handling jenkins; any idea when it is going to be updated?\n to vivid?\n nemo: ping\n sturmflut: yesterday i also didn't receive any answers :(\n t1mp: zsombi are you able to help mr-tt ?\n i worked around my problem now\n didn't solve it though\n took a look at some qml code of the terminal app, but it seems like it's using something ubuntuspecific, and i'd like to avoid that\n mr-tt: what was your problem?\n mr-tt: ah, you want to scroll to the end of the text area content?\n zsombi: yep\n mr-tt: cursorPosition shoudl do the job 4 U\n but i went ahead and prepend text now, then i also don't have the problem of the osd keyboard hiding stuff\n zsombi: or is there a solution to not hide stuff when osd keyboard is active?\n mr-tt: prepend? how does that solve your prob?\n zsombi: well the last text is not hidden anymore\n mr-tt: you mean hidden by OSK? then maybe append not prepend...\n zsombi: i have a large textarea. the last added text should be visible even when the osk hides bottom part of screen\n zsombi: i'd have to move/scale up the textarea so osk doesn't hide it anymore, but how?\n mr-tt: do you have the content of the view in a Flickable?\n zsombi: don't think so\n mr-tt: if not, put it inside one, then you have to watch the Qt.inputMethod.keyboardRectangle & Qt.inputMethod.visible\n mr-tt: when the IM is visible, then you have to set the Flicakble's bottomMargin to IM.keyboardRectangle.height\n mr-tt: and also set the Flickable's contentY\n zsombi: i can put everything in a flickable right? so nothing gets hidden\n mr-tt: these will push your view content up\n zsombi: do you have a code example? and how can i test this on a desktop?\n mr-tt: we are also trying to have this behavior in a component that you can use to do these automatically, its just gonna take some time and will (hopefully) land in uitk 1.3\n mr-tt: you cannot really test this on desktop, only on phone\n as desktop doesn;t have OSK\n heard there are osk for desktop too\n mr-tt: but that OSK is not per app...\n so it's not gonna appear in your app's window\n afaik\n dunno, someone used osk together with xmir+x apps\n ok, I had not seen that, but if it comes in your app's window (which I doubth) then you can test them both on your desktp and phone\n zsombi: how do i watch the inputmethods in code?\n mr-tt: Qt.inputMethod is a QInputMethod object, so you can do binding, connect its signals, etc\n mr-tt: http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qinputmethod.html\n zsombi: do i do that from c++ or can i do it all in qml? not sure\n mr-tt: all its properties/signals/slots/invokables are visible in QML :)\n ok\n zsombi: do you also know how to define platform specific #imports in qml?\n mr-tt: no way\n hum that sucks a bit\n mr-tt: well, can you do that in JS?\n zsombi: no idea how to\n mr-tt: you cannot :)\n zsombi: i read on the web it's possible in the meantime, but it didn't work\n mr-tt: but it depends on what do you want to do, you can do these platform specific things in C++ and expose to QML only a common layer\n zsombi: https://forum.qt.io/topic/5739/platform-specific-part-of-qml-file/14\n last answer\n mr-tt: aaah, but that is not an import\n zsombi: code example on how to do that?\n mr-tt: that si a runtime check, and it shoudl work\n mr-tt: http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qml-qtqml-qt.html\n mr-tt: I guess you copied the @ stuff too :)\n yes\n mr-tt: wel, that's the problem :)\n http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qml-qtqml-qt.html#platform-prop\n mr-tt: try this if (Qt.platform.os === \"linux\" || Qt.platform.os === \"windows\" || Qt.platform.os === \"osx\" || Qt.platform.os === \"unix\") {\n /..\n }\n mr-tt: the @ is causing syntax error\n i tried wihtout the @ too,neither works\n mr-tt: have you tried to print the Qt.platform.os before the statement?\n mr-tt: maybe the string is none of yours you check\n zsombi: no, how to do that?\n mr-tt: either print(Qt.platform.os) or console.log()\n zsombi: Unexpected token `if'\n mr-tt: could you pastebin your code pls?\n mr-tt: pastebin.ubuntu.com\n zsombi: http://pastebin.com/gdcUikq7\n guess i have to put that if function elsewhere?\n mr-tt: ok, how much you know about Qt/QML? :)\n zsombi: heh not so much :)\n mr-tt: I guessed :D\n mr-tt: so, first, in order a QML document to work properly, you need an Item\n zsombi: oh that's not my whole code\n mr-tt: you can put property declarations, do property bindings there\n just the header of the file\n with the imports\n of course there are items etc later on\n mr-tt: ok, np, but as the if() statement si not a declaration statement, you have to put it into a functoin or a JS code\n mr-tt: as said, you cannot do platform specific imports\n ok then it's no use doing this in a function\n mr-tt: the sequence you pasted from a link is a runtime statement, does runtime OS check\n mr-tt: it doesn't do OS specific imports\n mr-tt: but it can solve OS specific code execution\n zsombi: how can i make sure it imports ubuntu components then instead of qml controls?\n mr-tt: you need to use named import\n zsombi: how is that done?\n mr-tt: and then use that namespace in all QtQuick Controls (or UITK controls) used\n mr-tt: import Ubuntu.Components 1.2 as Toolkit\n zsombi: but that would duplicate my qml code?\n mr-tt: the \"as Toolkit\" can be anything\n mr-tt: well, it depends what you want to do... it won't duplicate, but if you want to mix the QtQuick controls Button with UITK Button, then you have to do this\n mr-tt: the named import is only needed when you use components from the two modules with the same name\n mr-tt: otherwise not\n well i just want to write +test on a nonubuntu machine with qtquick controls and then compile with components instead on a ubuntu machine\n i simply replaced controls import with components and it pretty much worked\n zsombi: because utouch doesnt have controls\n uhm\n I don't get you\n zsombi: import QtQuick.Controls 1.3 doesn't work on utouch, because it can't find it\n import Ubuntu.Components 1.2 works\n mr-tt: 1.3 is not yet released, so you will get them only with dev-proposed images\n lol so import QtQuick.Controls 1.3 would work? alright then :)\n import QtQuick.Controls 1.2 *\n mr-tt: ahh, sorry, I got mixed\n mr-tt: QtQuick.Controls is NOT supported on the device\n at least we do not support that\n zsombi: why not? :/\n mr-tt: I wanted to say Ubuntu.Components 1.3 :D\n mr-tt: because there are plenty of things don not work yet with QtQuick.Controls in utouch\n zsombi: how come? utouch components seems to be pretty much the same like qt controls?\n mr-tt: so, Ubuntu.Components 1.2 is stable release, Ubuntu.Components 1.3 is dev release\n mr-tt: yes, but those are only few swhich are the same\n i was talking about QT controls 1.3 not utouch components 1.\u00c2\u00a7\n 3*\n mr-tt: modal windows, such as Dialog, Menu don;t work, they segfault\n mr-tt: Mir doesn't support those yet\n so we cannot support Qt controls then\n zsombi: ah ok but in the future, any idea when that'll be?\n mr-tt: I had not seen any plans to support Qt controls, especially that they are moving to QtQuick.Controls2\n zsombi: but 2 will be supported?\n zsombi: do you use qtcreator/ubuntusdk?\n mr-tt: he works on it\n anyone knows how to hide the debugger view after one brought it up?\n mr-tt: in QtCreator, do you see the Debug button on the left vertical bar highlighted_\n ?\n zsombi: aah thanks, i couldn't figure that one out\n mr-tt: :)\n zsombi: is it planned to release the usdk for other distros or even platforms?\n mr-tt: yes\n ok very good :)\n mr-tt: some things may not work on platfirms, which are d-bus based, but we are going to find a way to get a symulation on those if possible\n mcphail: goood mornin\n nemo: Hi. I'm going to be afk (on and off) for the next couple of weeks. Wondered if you wanted a copy of the development chroot for your game, so you can work on it?\n hm\n wellllll\n the interesting part was getting it packaged up\n and seems you just have to fix some SDL link error at this point\n nemo: np - I'll have another look at it when I get back\n was figuring I'd just get someone here who is an ubuntu developer to maybe get it to that point\n Hmpf, I offered Deutsche Bahn to build and maintain a clone of their \"DB Navigator\" app for Ubuntu, until they decide to offer an official one. They declined to even talk to me about that.\n ogra_: ^^\n you mean they didnt answer or did they actively decline ?\n ogra_: The answer was \"Thanks, but if we find there is a need for it, our experts surely can build it themselves.\"\n I thought there already is one in the store?\n lol\n unofficial\n arrogante arschloecher :P\n JanC: Yeah, mine, but it's just a pimped-up container around some websites. The most important features are missing.\n do they offer a public api ?\n ah, right, I remembered seeing something while scrolling through the store\n ogra_: No. I've reverse-engineered most of it though.\n * ogra_ would just go ahead and write it anyway (with its own logo and name perhaps)\n ogra_: Yeah, that's what Fahrplan does, and it will probably not be an issue as long as you just use the search API to display connections. But we are all after the ticketing API. I want to buy a ticket and show it to the conductor, on my Ubuntu phone.\n Well, at least sync the tickets I've already bought and display them\n well, you could screen-scrape ... ugly but would surely work ... in the end you only get a qr code anyway\n Oh, I've already reverse-engineered most of the ticket API as well ;) In the end you authenticate and download a couple of PNGs and some text, the QR code being one of the PNGs.\n But that's the point where it gets ugly.\n i assume all the payment stuff is ugly ...\n If the connection search doesn't work, everybody will blame your app and that's it. It's not a business critical feature. But buying things and \"authenticating\" to a conductor touches the core business of Deutsche Bahn. And if there's an error, people may start calling the DB hotline and ask what's the problem.\n At that point DB *will* go after me, regardless if I use their name/logo or not.\n well, that would at least get ther attention :P\n for the demand :)\n Hehe\n but yeah, you might get sued\n I wouldn't even really mind the lawsuit, sometimes you have to step up against such nonsense. Even banks allow you to do all your banking using third-party applications, so why shouldn't I be able to give DB my money using a third-party app?\n But this is germany, there's no chance I can win this.\n mcphail: FWIW\n 09:54 <@koda> he should really use make VERBOSE=1\n 09:54 <@koda> anyway not sure, he probably didn't change the linker names\n 09:54 <@koda> in sdlh\n decent chance that might be the last *build* error \u00e2\u0098\u00ba\n ogra_: I'll answer DB with a more explicit question. They \"officially\" tolerate an iPhone app called \"nextr\", which queries their connection database through their API. So they surely can \"tolerate\" me too? :P\n sturmflut: querying sounds less risky than making payments\n maybe they are being paranoid\n which is always safe stance if you ask a manager or lawyer anything\n easier to say no\n nemo: I think I might be able to go into some kind of \"grey area\" if I do everything except the payment process. Then you have to book a ticket using the website, but can sync it to your phone and show it to the conductor later. Still not as nice as the original, but at least it works.\n You usually book tickets beforehand from your desktop, and you should be able to use the full website from a phone, so all uses are covered\n sturmflut: well... take for example Android\n sturmflut: if I use my older phone, and I browse to a ticket site in Firefox - perfectly safe\n if I use basically any web app, I now suffer from the XSS injection that Google refuses to backport the fix for\n I mean... app that uses a web view\n but, I bet their reason is entirely about control and how easy it is to say no.\n sturmflut: \"Easier to ask forgiveness than permission\" \u00f0\u009f\u0098\u009d\n I think they have two concerns\n The first is that the payment API could he hacked\n The second is that if they allow everybody to query their data, including ticket prices, people could easily build price comparison websites, and would often notice that some other operator or means of transportation is cheaper\n heh\n sturmflut: hm. those kinds of querying scrapers are already legal no?\n also, I thought you were doing transactions, not just querying\n sturmflut: in Belgium (most?) banks only allow one (or maybe a couple) very expensive business bridges outside of their own website/apps... :-(\n so you're lucky in Germany\n FTR, telegram may be experiencing temporary problems.\n Result: {\"_\":\"rpc_error\",\"error_code\":-503,\"error_message\":\"Timeout\"}\n nemo: cheers - I'll look at that when I get a chance\n nemo: It's legal to scrape the website up to some \"degree\", and the \"degree\" has never really been defined. There are some search engines by now that can compare all means of transportation, including trains, but they all have official cooperations with DB.\n JanC: No HCBI?\n sturmflut: I guess if they wanted to legally ban scraping they'd just add a robots.txt line\n nemo: A robots.txt has never been legally binding.\n depends on the country I think\n since it communicates intention\n hm\n http://stackoverflow.com/questions/999056/ethics-of-robots-txt\n http://www.bna.com/legal-issues-raised-by-the-use-of-web-crawling-and-scraping-tools-for-analytics-purposes/ this one notes courts have considered robots.txt as a factor\n the stack overflow discussion using analogy of a no tresspassing sign\n or at least a no automated tresspassing I guess\n wait is there a new sound for notifications?\n sturmflut: HCBI ?\n JanC: That's a standard interface for banking\n sturmflut: maybe some banks support that for businesses, certainly not for regular people...\n or maybe the bridge software supports it\n and even Wikipedia doesn't know it ;)\n Errr, HBCI\n Oh, it exists only in germany\n I always thought it was an european thing\n hey all how would I list these in my app: http://fullcirclemagazine.org/downloads/\n ?\n sturmflut: my vague recollection from many decades ago, when people were more trusting was that you'd (totally generic you \u00f0\u009f\u0098\u009d) occasionally stumble across these thingies when wardialing that appeared to be wide open bank interfaces for interbank communication\n they were like 300 baud or something\n s/many/several/\n ahoneybun: The easiest thing is a QML WebView. The more complex thing is a C++ QML component that parses the HTML site, but parsing HTML usually sucks. So I would suggest that you use http://fullcirclemagazine.org/feed/ instead and use a QML XmlListModel to parse it.\n sturmflut: I've got the feed working, I just want to make it possible to view what issues there are and offer to download them\n sturmflut: for Hedgewars we serve http://hedgewars.org/content.html inside the game by doing a basic chopping of the page HTML\n then use document viewer to see the pdf\n ahoneybun: Yep\n sturmflut: seems i could just have a list with urls like this: http://dl.fullcirclemagazine.org/issue1_en.pdf and then it will open the browser but then it asks if you want to use Document Viewer :)\n sturmflut: seems like exactly one small Belgian bank supports it\n probably accidentally because of the on-line banking software they use ;)\n sturmflut: oh. and QTextBrowser - is a lot more lightweight than WebView\n sturmflut: fewer deps too\n and that works\n ahoneybun: You could probably use the QML Ubuntu.SingleDownload component to download an issue and then open it with the Content Hub, which will offer to open it with the Document Viewer\n cool\n I'll look into that\n \\o/\n can I hook that into a List?\n To download more than one file at once?\n https://code.google.com/p/hedgewars/source/browse/QTfrontend/ui/page/pagedata.cpp and https://code.google.com/p/hedgewars/source/browse/QTfrontend/ui/widget/databrowser.h\n well if you click the one list item (ex. issue 3) it would download and offer to open document viewer\n ahoneybun: Yep\n sweet\n thanks sturmflut\n ahoneybun: See if it works first ;)\n there is a full circle app but it is a webapp, and this well be a full Native app\n I would have never thought of it anyway\n sturmflut: https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.DownloadManager.SingleDownload/ ?\n ahoneybun: Should be it, yes\n * sturmflut goes to find something for dinner\n using the sample from there crashes the app when I push download\n mhall119: any exp with Ubuntu.DownloadManager?\n t1mp: ping\n ahoneybun: hi\n any exp with Ubuntu.DownloadManager?\n popey, https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-ubuntu-com/+bug/1473545\n Launchpad bug 1473545 in Ubuntu Developer Portal \"Broken link on Dekko portal page\" [Undecided,New]\n popey, I've found a convergence doc for dekko, but since it has \"private and confidential\" all over, I wasn't sure, so I haven't fixed it :)\n ah\n thanks davidcalle\n popey, np, btw are you going somewhere next week?\n outside :)\n fixed the link\n :)\n computer -> off\n o/\n so, with whom do I liaise in order to get icons into apps? popey?\n snwh, hey, yes but he is on holidays next week, which apps?\n snwh, propose a mp :-) and yeah which apps in particular ?\n davidcalle, are you working on that community site on the dev portal ?\n ahayzen, yes, I've been working quite a lot on it recently\n davidcalle, its looking good :-) just noticed this phrasing on the meetings page \"Not current scheduled\" ... shouldn't it be \"Not currently scheduled\"\n ahayzen, indeed, fixed\n davidcalle, thanks :-)\n ty :)\n davidcalle, is this site in django as well?\n ahayzen, it is\n interesting i'm doing django at my internship :-)\n ahayzen, that's nice, I'm discovering django with this site, it can get really fun once you are in the right mindset\n yeah its initially quite confusing but i'm liking it now :-)\n :)\n ahayzen, where are you doing the internship?\n davidcalle, https://torchbox.com/\n davidcalle, they write http://wagtail.io/ https://github.com/torchbox/wagtail/ which is a django cms\n ahayzen, looks very cool, do you know if it can take over a django CMS db?\n davidcalle, not sure, i was talking to popey about it, but the problem is you guys need translation support https://github.com/torchbox/wagtail/issues/96\n davidcalle, a few client sites do actually have translated content at the moment, but the implementation is fuggerly, so it would be better for something 'proper' to be made\n i talked with a few devs yesterday about it and they said its high on their priority list but will probably be v1.1+ (1.0 is about to be released)\n ahayzen, we do, that's what motivated going with django CMS\n davidcalle, unless you want to help the guy in the issue writing the third-party mixin ;-)\n it will definitely come, its just a matter of when\n ahayzen, hah :)\n davidcalle, ahayzen, will do. thanks\n snwh, which apps do you have icons for ?\n ahayzen: I\u00e2\u0080\u0099m redoing ones I did in the past for core apps\n they look out of place with the newer style\n snwh, oh cool :-)\n * popey retusn\n also\n * popey returns\n hey snwh\n your holiness\n lulz\n * popey fixes the errors nik90 mentioned to him on telegram :)\n snwh: which ones were you looking to update?\n terminal, sudoku, files\n for starters ;)\n ooh, nice.\n file manager does look dated now.\n oi. i know\n nice thought they all are of course :)\n * popey tries to be kind :)\n I\u00e2\u0080\u0099m self-critical. the files icon is cringe worthy for me haha\n :)\n now that they kind of have some sort of guidelines/style in place I\u00e2\u0080\u0099m returning to the idea of doign icons\n *\\o/*\n there's icon guidelines on the site now I think\n or is that what you were referring to?\n popey, snwh, current icon guidelines are here ( https://design.ubuntu.com/apps/style/iconography ), maybe slightly outdated with the update\n * popey fires a mail at those responsible to make sure they keep it up to date\n \\o/ sent\n#ubuntu-app-devel 2015-07-11\n Hi, does somedoy knows why ubuntu' emulator don't boot in QT creator (Ubuntu-sdk), the scrren is always black... no logs no errors visible, where to start from to find a solution to the problem ?\n robert__: running the 32 or arm?\n I heard the 64 was broken\n I tried both, same problem\n i am currently running the ubuntu 32, on my amd64 machine\n Unfortunately, i 've done what is written on the ubuntu site carrefully to install the sdk (i hope so...), and my ubuntu is fresh installed\n That is odd\n 14.04 or 15.04?\n Linux ubuntujvl 3.19.0-22-generic #22-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jun 16 17:14:22 UTC 2015 i686 athlon i686 GNU/Linux\n I have a device so I don't use it\n That is 32 bit\n 15.04\n yes but my phone is new, i don't want to broke it :-)\n 15.04\n What phone?\n Meizu MX4\n Oh the Ubuntu one?\n yes\n i freezed it once already ...\n and i can't have my contact from the sim :-(\n You can run the app on the phone without installing anything\n Once you kill the app it is gone\n ok, i'll give it a try later\n Cool\n but it does not solve my actual problem\n Your on the stable?\n why is the emulator don't boot up\n yes\n stable\n Yea it should work\n hey akiva-thinkpad\n holy crap\n I got 100 downloads in 1 day!\n ahoneybun: o/\n hows it going akiva-thinkpad\n ahoneybun: well, the Autopilot plugin is basically finished with the SDK, so ive been looking for another projects in ubuntu to contribute to.\n I saw that\n ahoneybun: :)\n tbh don't understand autopilot\n akiva-thinkpad: have you used DownloadManager?\n ahoneybun: what don't you understand?\n and no\n akiva-thinkpad: I am holiday, so I am brainwashed :) but what was zbenjamin and your last discussion about?\n I don't what it is for, as in how is it different then running it in a emulator or real hw\n bzoltan_: can't remember tbh. I think he said he was busy, so we merged, and won't be bothering with pushing this up to qtcreator for now\n akiva-thinkpad: because it is available in the SDK PPA as separate package... I wonder what is the blocker to integrate it\n bzoltan_: When using it, if you want a feature added, just file a bug report.\n bzoltan_: wait, there is a deb available for it? Neat~\n akiva-thinkpad: I made it :) but it would be fun to integrate it as real part of the SDK\n Well I just need a laundry list for that. Right now, I am poking around with the core apps, to sort of get a feel for it, and add any features I think are neccessary. What do you think?\n akiva-thinkpad: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+sourcepub/5195411/+listing-archive-extra\n bzoltan_: Wow awesome! Thanks for doing that!\n akiva-thinkpad: I do not think so much :) right now .. I will check with zbenjamin next week\n ha ha\n enjoy your vacation\n damn DownloadManager\n akiva-thinkpad: uBeginner hit over 1300\n lol nice\n yep\n I'm trying to make an app that you can download issues of a magazine\n but nothing is downloading\n plus it kinda crashes on the destop\n Hi, I'am trying to make my emulators run, but the emulated device screen is always black, how can i figure out what went wrong during installation or creation .... ?\n hey guys may anybody answer questions couple ?\n ^^\n#ubuntu-app-devel 2015-07-12\n !ping\n pong!\n cool\n ports no longer blocked\n OK, who, other than Ken, knows about the Content Hub? I can't work out for the life of me how to use it :(\n aquarius, what are you trying todo with it?\n ahayzen, I have a list of the filenames of files in my app's data folder, and I show them in a ListView. I would like tapping a filename to show a list of apps on the phone which I can share that file to, and then choosing an app to open that file in that app.\n ok\n ahayzen, and I cannot work out how. A ContentPeerPicker presumably has something to do with it.\n yeah it will do... i've only done an import (need to still implement export for music)..but this may be useful..\n Also, every example I can find shows a Page with a ContentPeerPicker in it, and the app pushes that Page onto a PageStack. But my app doesn't have a PageStack, it has Tabs, so I don't know how to even show the Picker, even if I could get it working, which I can't. :)\n https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/+junk/hub-exporter\n Yeah, I've done import; Readability appears in the browser's Share menu. It's being a source for sharing (without being a source for other apps that want to import a file) that I can't work out.\n Yup, I've been looking at the hub exporter code, which as far as I can tell is the nearest thing to actual documentation of this stuff, but it's pretty impenetrable :(\n so what have you got working so far?\n nothing. The actual ContentHub code is complaining about not having peers, but Ken's hub-importer doesn't even *mention* PeerModelLoader, so I have no idea where one of those comes from\n I can't even get started -- I can work out so little about this stuff that I don't even know what I don't know, if you see what I mean!\n he has a ContentPeerPicker {}\n IIRC the way his works is to load up activeTransfer with the items to transfer\n then it then picker is shown\n then it calls __exportItems(url)\n He does, and I have one too, but when I try to use it, I get \"file:///usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Content/ContentPeerPicker.qml:229: TypeError: Cannot read property 'peers' of null\"... and that code line is \"model: customPeerModelLoader ? customPeerModelLoader.item.peers : peerModelLoader.item.peers\"... that is, it's expecting to have a PeerModelLoader or a CustomPeerModelLoader, and Ken doesn't\n have one, so I don't get how any of it works :)\n ugh i fear i'm going to have to figure this out for music soon as well :-)\n * ahayzen wonders if that is a type \"customer\" https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Content.ContentPeerPicker/#customerPeerModelLoader-prop\n *typo lol\n I have been assuming that that's meant to be \"custom\", yeah :)\n it says *optional*\n but that is far from the worst fault in the documentation\n ya, I *think* that if you want to provide your own peermodelloader you can set that to override the system one\n but I don't seem to *have* the system one, and I don't know how to set it up, because the hub-importer never mentions it!\n when you look at this page https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Content/ your just like which Content* thing do i want?!\n this stuff is totally indecipherable; the docs are either low-level API docs or high-level handwavy \"the content hub is for exchanging files between apps\" stuff. There are no explanations of *how to use it* :(\n what does you code look like currently?\n http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11868377/\n but that's not useful\n because I'm literally just altering stuff at random ;)\n and clicking the listitem throws \"ContentPeerPicker.qml:229: TypeError: Cannot read property 'peers' of null\"\n \"ContentType.Uknown\" https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Content.ContentType/\n who wrote these docs ? lol\n is there an app which can share a file to other apps, so I can look at the source? mzanetti's Tagger does it, I think, but I don't understand that either :)\n yeah camera, gallery do as well IIRC\n aquarius, huh? you mean content hub?\n yup\n mzanetti, I do\n aquarius, ~mzanetti/+junk/contenthubtest\n this is a test app I use when I do something with contenthub\n ooh, that sounds useful ;)\n it can share and receive anything\n not 100% finished yet\n thank you! I shall look at that\n I plan to publish to store once it's ready... but should work fine for most parts already\n aquarius, also just found this which is a text only exporter http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/+junk/hub-text-exporter/view/head:/Main.qml which looks quite simple compared to the others\n mzanetti, what's the difference between \"share\" and \"export\"?\n haha\n that's in the content hub api, it's not a peculiarity of mzanetti's app. But nothing describes what the difference is!\n i did know the difference at one point...\n aquarius, export is to \"save\" a file, share is to post it to facebook etc\n aquarius, depending on which one you select you'll notice different apps showing up in the ContentPeerPicker\n mzanetti, how does that filter it? by the type of content?\n two things. ContentType and handler (share vs export)\n ah ok so by having destination: [music] .. we only appear under export IIRC ?\n not necessarily... every app accepting content can specify both\n you can also write an app to share music\n yeah i need to make music a source of music at some point\n so then you could go from the Clock and pick a track for your alarm\n or your ringtone whatever\n since my app is basically like the file manager, I think I'd want a combination of both, but I don't know how to do that either..\n aquarius, for sending things to other apps you need: the apparmor policy content_exchange_source\n in your app have a \"share\" button, onClicked show a ContentPeerPicker with contentType: ContentType.All (or restrict to whatever) and handler ContentType.Share\n onPeerPicked, create a new ContentItem, set the url property to your file and and set it's state to Charged\n ok, that makes sense; let me try that\n then you can add a \"save\" or \"open with...\" button and do exactly the same, but set the picker's handler property to ContentHandler.Destination\n for receiving content it's a bit different then...\n Simplest imaginable approach: all I want to do is show a ContentPeerPicker (I'm not even trying to do the transfer yet, so we'll screw up when a peer is picked), code at http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11868561/ and it throws error \"ContentPeerPicker.qml:229: TypeError: Cannot read property 'peers' of null\" on startup... presumably because I don't set a PeerModel? Or something? Confused\n aquarius, hmm... are you running it on the desktop?\n ah. I am. That may be it. I'll try it on the phone, then...\n same error...\n ContentPeerPicker10.qml:186: TypeError: Cannot read property 'peers' of null\n let me try your contenthubtest and work out what's different :)\n#ubuntu-app-devel 2016-07-12\n Kaleo: reminder: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/readMeTests/+merge/299554\n t1mp: Updated https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/windowLauncher/+merge/299119\n As a side effect now having a non-working QML snippet that parses without errors exits with an error always.\n kalikiana: cool. happroved.\n Thanks\n erm popey what happened to unav?\n popey: nevermind fresh image still had the old version on updating now will retry\n yeap that fixed it phew\n DanChapman, is pop3 support finished? when will it release?\n or popey?\n pmcgowan: it's almost up to a releasable state. There's some issues with the local folders and messages not getting moved to them from inbox. That's the only blocker on the pop3 side so that will make it into the next release.\n DanChapman, thanks when is your next release ?\n i'll be submitting a click to QA hopefully by the end of the week\n pmcgowan: ^^\n awesome\n thanks\n hmm?\n oh. all solved. good\n back to beer\n o/\n o/ enjoy!\n#ubuntu-app-devel 2016-07-13\n ahayzen: hey dude on a fresh install do you get a location in weather app?\n davmor2, location is busted on my device at the moment, so i wouldn't know :-/ although weather somehow picks it up sometimes :')\n ahayzen: seems to be failing for me for the first time\n davmor2, is this after the dialog asking for location access?\n ahayzen: yeap and after confirming in other apps that it has a location fix that is accurate\n davmor2, so then when you restart the app, it picks up the right one?\n ahayzen: no it never gives me a location currently\n interesting\n davmor2, probably best to report a bug with the app logs ... and i'll have a look when i reflash my device :-)\n ahayzen: on either rc or rc-proposed so no idea what it going on\n i updated my turbo on rc-proposed today and couldnt get any location until i opened unav once ... are you sure it isnt a systemic issue ?\n which other apps use QML to get location ?\n ahayzen: scopes, unav, clock\n yeah none of them work for me, i'm gonna do a reflash later so will try then :-)\n ahayzen: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-weather-app/+bug/1602691 anything else you want?\n Launchpad bug 1602691 in Ubuntu Weather App \"No location in weather app on latest images\" [Undecided,New]\n davmor2, that's probably enough to start with, thanks :-)\n ahayzen: no worries\n mhall119, popey, hey guys I am trying to build file-manager-app using the ubuntu sdk but I am not able to install libsmbclient-dev on the click target\n could you help me?\n#ubuntu-app-devel 2016-07-14\n mm the SDK's cache must be stuck\n I'm removing components but they are still there\n renatu: what arch?\n brunch875: I think bzoltan and zbenjamin are the best people to ask about QtCreator issues\n Certainly, they've helped me out of some messes ;)\n what I'm trying to do is setting up qt to develop both android and utouch (possibly ios in the future)\n If I'm understanding this correctly, the ubuntu sdk lacks \"qt version\" for android right now, or at least that's how it differs from a downloaded-from-qt-website creator\n brunch875: is it vital you use the same version of QtC for all development?\n Well, I guess I can jump from one to the other, but I suspect projects will give me conflicts\n I'd rather develop from the same one\n I'm unsure if I can use the same code for both platforms\n brunch875: so you plan to do cross-platform development from the same codebase?\n yeah, that's what I'm trying to do\n brunch875: to be honest, I'd use separate versions of QtC and point them both towards a local git repo\n I was thinking about using cordova but I've just read QML should be cross-platform\n brunch875: QML is cross platfor, but the Ubuntu QML components only exist for Ubuntu just now, as far as I know\n so importing the ubuntu components for android isn't to work?\n brunch875: not without endless swearing and profanity, I would expect\n can I not use the qt components for ubuntu then?\n as in, developing a qt application for android and then compiling for ubuntu without its components\n brunch875: you'll probably be able to get so far with the more generic components. Anything more complex will become difficult (but not impossible) to package. There is at least one app on the store which uses generic components (? QtQuick). \"Petals\" by ogra\n (I think...)\n that's good news!\n t1mp: Easy review? https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fatFocus/+merge/300042\n kalikiana: approved\n Thanks!\n zbenjamin: 22 minutes\n bzoltan: ? the images?\n zbenjamin: yes\n mhall119, Who can review this? https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/ubuntu-filemanager-app/import-contact/+merge/300087\n mhall119, are you around?\n renatu: I am, and looking at the diff\n renatu: so is this for saving files via the file-manager?\n mhall119, the current diff only saves vcards. but bfiller asked me to save any kind of file\n I will update the diff\n ok, I was trying to figure out what \"contacts\" specific thing it was doing :)\n and +1000 on saving any kind of file, I've been wanting that for a while\n renatu: kenvandine can review the MR\n mhall119, ok let me push my latest changes\n renatu: is \"share\" a valid content-hub action for file-manager?\n mhall119, yes, some apps uses share\n right, but share is supposed to me \"You give it to me so I can give it to someone else\"\n IIRC, the content should be ephemeral in the app doing the sharing\n mhall119, pushed the changes to accept any kind of file\n renatu: could you just use \"all\" or something for the content type?\n https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04.5/Ubuntu.Content.ContentType/\n kenvandine should be able to tell us for sure\n though I suppose it wouldn't make sense for text or links\n mhall119, yes, text and links will break the app\n renatu: bfiller: is kenvandine still going ot do the actual review?\n mhall119, I think kenvandine is off already. Probably he will take a look tomorrow. And bfiller want to test it too\n mhall119, did you have a change to test it?\n renatu: not yet, but file-manager is pretty busted on my laptop anyway\n#ubuntu-app-devel 2017-07-12\n Good morning everybody\n Currently, in case the glyph of a character is not present in the font then a \u00e2\u0080\u009cblank\u00e2\u0080\u009d is shown. For example, in case the glyph for the character \u00e2\u0080\u009c\u00e2\u0098\u00ba\u00e2\u0080\u009d is not present in the font then the following string \u00e2\u0080\u009csmile\u00e2\u0098\u00basmile\u00e2\u0080\u009d would be shown as \u00e2\u0080\u009csmile smile\u00e2\u0080\u009d.\n I need to show a \u00e2\u0080\u009cvisible\u00e2\u0080\u009d placeholder character, for example \u00e2\u0080\u009c\u00e2\u0096\u00a1\u00e2\u0080\u009d, so that in the previous example we would show \u00e2\u0080\u009csmile\u00e2\u0096\u00a1smile\u00e2\u0080\u009d can i achieve this in Qt ?\n"], ["#bzr 2007-11-26\n ok\n done\n New bug: #165086 in bzr \"bzr ls doesn't accept -V\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165086\n thanks\n poolie_: down to 4 failures\n poolie_: 2 with this CRC thing\n poolie_: 2 with the one you are patching\n cool\n poolie_: 6 tests to go\n can run just upgrade repository_imp tests to see them\n poolie_: I'm finishing now for the day\n k\n have a good night\n you too\n i am reasonably confident i will fix this today\n cool\n New bug: #165106 in bzr \"check that get_data_stream distinguishes annotated and unannotated knits\" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165106\n morning all\n hello vincent\n poolie_: hi :)\n working on bug #165061 I get a traceback when branching a pack repository into a fresh branch (i.e. no repo sharing) mentionning bzr: ERROR: Revision {robertc@robertcollins.net-20050919044328-0205c679f3051340} not present in \"\".\n Launchpad bug 165061 in bzr \"bzr branch http:// with a pack repository takes too long\" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165061\n does that ring a bell ?\n vila, that might be bug 164637 that i was just working on\n Launchpad bug 164637 in bzr \"hpss data_stream from pack repository has deltas out of order, fails with KnitCorrupt exception\" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164637\n ok then, seems a bit surprising that robert did not encounter it, but it's not blocking for me (investigating the bug I mean), I'll watch for your patch anyway\n vila: that particular repo is unreconciled and buggy\n vila: so don't worry about that error at the end\n lifeless: ok\n vila: it wasn't relevant to the bg so I didn't mention it:)\n ;-)\n lifeless: what is your latency against that branch ?\n lifeless: well, not *yours* as such, your computer's (before fullermd made any remark ;)\n hi bzr rockers\n bzr-svn just stopped working for me and now complains about a \"scheme are not unique\" IntegrityError in sqlite; is that really due to bzr-svn, or did something change in bzr itself?\n I filed it as bug 165136 for now\n Launchpad bug 165136 in bzr-svn \"svn+ssh:// push: IntegrityError: columns max_revnum, min_revnum, path, scheme are not unique\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165136\n hi pitti\n pitti: what version of bzr-svn are you using?\n hey jelmer!\n 0.4.4-1\n * pitti is on current hardy\n pitti: you may be able to fix it by blowing away the relevant unique index\n * pitti tries to make a clueful face about what that means\n sorry for for being vague :-)\n if you open the bzr-svn cache for the repository in question, you should be able to remove the index that is causing problems\n a workaround would be very much appreciated indeed :)\n the simplest thing to do would be to remove ~/.bazaar/svn-cache/ and try again\n ah, in ~/.bzr/svn-cache\n awesome\n assuming you've used different versions of bzr-svn on the same machine before?\n yes, I did\n at least 0.4.1 on gutsy, but probably older ones, too\n yay, that helped\n jelmer: you saved my day, thanks; I'll mention the workaround in the bug report, for others who might have the same problem\n pitti: cool\n pitti: btw, now that you're here..\n I much appreciate the editmoin package\n * pitti loves it, too\n but it's only included in Ubuntu, not in Debian yet - are you a DD?\n yes, I am\n jelmer: indeed, I'll file an ITP now, and upload it in a bit\n pitti: Thanks, that would be very nice :-)\n jelmer: ITP sent\n thanks for the poke; it was on my list for a long time, but I forgot about it\n vila: home to uk\n vila: so lots, but we only do four reads, so it shouldn't be a significant factor\n you do 62 requests, 4 of which are readv for the pack (one failing so that makes 5)\n # requests: 62\n Bytes read: 68437333\n Bytes written: 0\n Average latency: 1588ms\n that's for fr to uk with a ping of ~20ms, so the http server do quite some work before replying...\n that's from transportstats plugin, but the 68M figure may be skewed by the retry\n New bug: #165136 in bzr-svn \"svn+ssh:// push: IntegrityError: columns max_revnum, min_revnum, path, scheme are not unique\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165136\n Morning bazaaristas\n scratch that, the retry doesn't appear in the stats, so the 68M is correct and coherent with du -sk pack-branch-speed\n 63336\tpack-branch-speed\n lifeless: reading your report again something strange appears, read my additional comment on the bug report\n lifeless: if you can mail me your .bzr.log it could help too\n lifeless: and tell me if you use pycurl or ulrlib\n :)\n vila: uhm, I dunno. whatever.\n vila: pycurl is installed\n ok, so it's used\n vila: so, I know a root cause of the problem\n vila: look in pack.py at make_readv_reader or whatever it's called.\n yes, and ?\n lifeless: ouch the retry request 55M\n right\n lifeless: is there any hack to allow backslashes to be added to inventories but not considering them path separators?\n jelmer: I hope not.\n I'm trying to decide how to solve bug 163858\n Launchpad bug 163858 in bzr-svn \"bzr-svn cannot check out lintian repository\" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163858\n lintian contains filenames with a backslash in them\n so far, the only solution I can think of is ignoring such files\n as well as non utf8 chars\n my opinion on this is that if you want stupid characters as test data, its appropriate to construct these at runtime, not version the fuckers\n argh, and then, the transport remembering that a previous multiple range request failed stays on single range mode and issues one 57M request\n vila: and there we go, problem found\n lifeless: here is the problem\n lifeless: sure, but the problem is you can actual control what users can version whereas I can merely deal with what has already happened :-)\n jelmer: I would escape it\n jelmer: this affects ~vcs-imports fairly frequently too, of course\n jelmer: hex or otherwise encode everything that's not valid\n lifeless: that means I have to deescape as well\n then a pair of plugins for tree operations can make them be as broken on disk as the user may desire\n lifeless: and potentially interpret filenames that were never escaped things at all\n lifeless: yup, problem found, the 4 readvs ends up transferring 5,8M, 25M, 55M and 57M\n mwhudson: what does lp do? Escape?\n jelmer: there is a hard choice here. Either we allow any pathname, or we don't :). Converters naturally want the widest range of characters - no artificial limits.\n jelmer: fail\n mwhudson: fail as in fail to import the branch? Or simply fail for that one file and skip it?\n jelmer: fail to import the branch\n jelmer: to date, our approach has been to require paths to be valid utf8 and not directory separators on any platform.\n jelmer: IIRC lintian's tree has more than just \\'s that are a problem, which is why I'm not getting excited about it - because we need to handle the fact that we can't encode the other paths either\n lifeless: Sure, but there will be other repositories with just one file with a backslash or non-utf8 character in their name\n at the very least I'll make bzr-svn throw a comprehensible exception, but I'd like to fix it if possible\n jelmer: I think encoding is a decent answer. You can list all the encoded files in a rev in a rev property; so that you don't decode user files that happen to be encoded\n paths with \\ and non-utf8 chars are really unportable anyway\n lifeless: that's a nice idea\n would require a mapping upgrade though :-/\n * jelmer sees another use for custom file properties, storing the original name of files that are encoded\n well\n or maybe custom file properties are like a hammer to me..\n yup\n they are\n I guess I've spent too much time working with svn where everything is stored in properties\n encoded_paths: {file_id:(path, orig_path)...} is all you need\n properties are evil\n properties are good\n we could store them in extended attributes!\n * jelmer gets all excited\n at the core of the system, a dict like mechanism is a useful implementation strategy, but its a terrible API\n :-P\n I agree they're a storage mechanism, not fit as an API\n $ getfattr -n user.bzr-svn.original_name foo.txt\n <<<< THIS\n ...\n :)\n jelmer: and svn's heinous mistake here is to expose them as an API.\n mwhudson: I'm a hurta youa\n lifeless: I think the main problem with svn is that exposes the property API as the primary UI and API for managing externals or ignores\n gnight\n exposing the property API in general isn't a problem\n night lifeless\n New bug: #165151 in bzr \"Silently ignores add of file \"\\\\\"\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165151\n jelmer: btw, my second attempt at pushing to pydoctor worked fine\n (not sure if i mentioned this last night)\n mwhudson: ah, cool\n so it appears the ulimit was the problem?\n jelmer: i have no idea\n can lock_read() fail?\n mwhudson: It can fail for working trees if they're already locked. I don't think it can fail for branches or repos.\n modulo system-type errors like MemoryError...\n abentley: just looking at Merge3Merger.__init__ which will leave the working tree locked for writing if a lock_read fails\n That would be a bug. It was written before WorkingTree.lock_read was expected to fail.\n gotta run.\n ok\n * mwhudson stabs python's __ mangling\n abentley: yay, i managed to get diff-as-merged to work using TransformPreview for a launchpad merge!\n (took 4s vs 215s :)\n i had to comment out lots of stuff to do with conflict handling, mind\n * mwhudson goes back to look at that\n abentley: bundlebuggy's version is currently at 1.0 - are you sure it shouldn't be 0.x ?\n (just checking, otherwise I have to mess around with versions in Debian later on)\n hi\n is it me or bzr (0.92) does not respect my umask?\n I have a umask 077, it seems to me that bzr always applies umask 022\n * Nafallo spreads the love off bzr on the office :-)\n abentley: hi\n New bug: #165215 in bzr \"pull overwrite does not always find revisions after bind\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165215\n hey all. I've been giving bzr a test drive vs. mercurial and have a couple questions\n I'm primarily hoping to use one to enable home directory sync between a desktop and a laptop, and I'm wondering how soon bug #107967 will make it to a release?\n Launchpad bug 107967 in bzr \"Using bzr mv --after on a directory (as opposed to a filename) fails\" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107967\n n[ate]vw, version control systems are not a good way to do that\n they are good at ... controlling versions of files, not syncing workspaces\n * dato recommends unison instead.\n yeah, I don't really need the version history (although I can imagine scenarios where it'd be nice), and some of this stuff will be binary files (although I'll probably manage photos/music externally)\n any suggestions for a painless sync system? don't want to pay for .Mac (rumored slow, still not enough space to be worth it) and am not sure how much of a pain it is to set up a Home Sync without OS X Server\n to complicate matters, I really don't want my complete home directory synced. I'd like to keep separate desktops, and don't have room on the laptop for all my photos, etc\n I'll check out Unison again, thanks, I'd forgotten about that.\n I'm still a bit lured by the siren call of http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2005/01/06/svn_homedir.html, especially with the advantages of DVCS\n on another note, is there anybody on who uses both bzr and Xcode? I'm wondering if there's a good way to take advantage of Xcode's SCM integration, although only CVS/svn have out-of-box support\n n[ate]vw: I'm not aware of a bzr/Xcode user, but we'd sure love someone to write the plugin for XCode :)\n New bug: #165255 in bzr-eclipse \"NullPointerException in share project dialog\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165255\n vila: so, you hav figured out the problem; what next - whats the easiest way to download only what we need ?\n lifeless: fix still not written (RL), but I've looked at the code and I may avoid rewriting response.py and just rewrite _readv\n seems to me _readv can act as a generator quite easily\n yes\n let me know if you need anything for this\n I'm to tired to do that this evening, but I think tomorrow will be ok\n because Martin wants to make packs default real soon (days)\n and IMO this would be a black eye for bzr :(\n the actual implementation is correct but yes, http should behave :)\n first this bug, then getting rid of file in memory\n will it be ok to keep 65K in memory and switch to a temp file above that ?\n 65K being a class constant\n uhm\n why the temp file? (you'll fragment disk and IO patterns)\n I'd really not want anything touching disk until we're downloading about 80% of main memory\n better still would be to just provide the data as you get it in reasonable amounts (note that if the caller used get_file_bytes we're asking for it in memory anyway)\n that'd force everything out of my cache though\n radix: how much mem do yo uhave?\n 2GB\n lifeless: yeah, thanks for refreshing these bits, I lost context, I'll go to sleep with that in mind then ;)\n so, 1.6GB of version control history is needed for my statement; and if we did get a 1.6GB single pack and streamed it to disk, then read it back - what do you think will happen to your cache then ?\n radix: the OS has a swap file for exactly this reason; if our access pattern to 1.6GB of memory is the same as it would be to a 1.6GB temp file (it will be) then there's no basic difference, except our code is simpler.\n lifeless: ok :)\n really though, buffering of any sort is the problem, and its that that we need to fix\n because waiting for 1.6Gb to download before we start processing is silly, and waits a whole lot of concurrency\n hey I need to help someone on windows to learn bzr, is there any good gui? the tortoise one seems rather incomplete?\n * AnMaster uses FreeBSD/Linux himself\n AnMaster: qbzr is quite good from what I've heard\n jelmer, any link?\n AnMaster: http://bazaar-vcs.org/QBzr I think\n qt? hm qt is for windows?\n qt is the kde toolkit\n I know that\n is multi-platform\n didn't know the window version was free though\n lifeless: \"the toolkit that kde uses\", to be precise ;)\n thought it was closed\n not since v4\n dato: pedants of the world unite\n * AnMaster is a KDE user himself\n New bug: #165259 in bzr-eclipse \"Does not recognize branches sometimes\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165259\n luks: did a class-dump of /Developer/Library/Xcode/Plug-ins/XcodeSubversionPlugin.xcplugin/Contents/MacOS/XcodeSubversionPlugin, but might wait until http://lists.apple.com/archives/xcode-users/2007/Jan/msg00072.html comes true to invest much into it. plus I'm still testing Mercurial as well ;-)\n AnMaster, qbzr is not really a \"bzr gui\"\n oh?\n luks, I'm used to command line, the user I'm trying to introduce to bzr is not\n so now what?\n then qbzr is not what you want :)\n olive perhaps\n luks, what do I want then?\n (the bzr-gtk gui shell)\n I don't think there is anything complete\n hm :(\n I was tempted to build a GUI application around qbzr a couple of times, but bzrlib doesn't really make it easy to make something usable :(\n luks: huh? We've put quite some effort into making it wrappable; please do file bugs anywhere you find it hard to use the library directly.\n lifeless, it's blocking by design and it touches a lot of global objects\n which rules out either async event-based approach or threading\n and running a separate process is bit too much\n luks: we have one global, the ui_factory\n lifeless, configs, registries, locks, ...\n blocking by design is true, I ported bzr to twisted a couple of years ago but I got overrulled.\n configs are not global, they are instances\n registries are meant to be static once loaded\n I had a lot of troubles when I tried to load log from a thread\n locks are instances, where global state is used in a lock its to implement correct mutexing within a single process between instances and we'd love patches to make them thread correct if they are not today.\n certainly LockDir locks do not need global state\n luks: please please please file bugs; we need feedback on this.\n there's no point having a strict library separation if it's not usable.\n well, it is usable\n for guis I mean\n thats a major use case for the library\n web apps is another, and they are often threaded\n is there any way with bzr to force native line endings\n like the svn property\n nope\n luks, any plans to add it?\n yes\n someone should write it as a plugin so we can evaluate it properly\n then we'll probably fold it into a core\n it is rather important for this project, compiler on either side will barf if native line endings are not used\n :(\n I don't think it will be possible to do from a plugin\n so I guess I got to use svn for now then\n at least not easily (without reimplementing most of WorkingTree functionality)\n sigh\n AnMaster: if you're the *nix guy, can't you just use an editor able to edit \\r\\n files?\n luks: its totally possible to do from a plugin\n lifeless, it would require a lot of code to trick dirstate\n AnMaster: ouch, thats really interesting. Could you perhaps edit the wiki page about this to note this scenario ?\n dato, yes I can edit such files the problem is the compiler used for the project always want native line endings, it will error out if CRLF is used on linux and plain LF is used on windows\n luks: you don't need to trick dirstate\n not ub to me\n up*\n AnMaster: ouch, baad compiler\n lifeless, well, then converting the files every time it has to compare them, but that would be much slower\n (compare == check if they are modified)\n I can't give details about the compiler, it is internal to the company *growl*\n and I can't fix that part\n :/\n luks: dirstate should always reflect reality\n dato, I fully agree\n lifeless, that's the tricky party\n you have two realities\n repository and working three, both different\n lifeless, and what wiki page?\n http://bazaar-vcs.org/LineEndings\n I don't think your particularly hard case is documented there today.\n \"The way mercurial recently implemented this seems like a good idea.\" <-- ah, *goes to look, at least that is better than svn, though I prefer bzr*\n luks: anyhow, basically it comes down to this: Someone needs to write the code, plugin or branch of bzr.dev, I don't care. We need code that does the job without changing the storage model; as a starting point to evaluate. From there we can look at how to version the setting and how it should work.\n AnMaster, the mercurial way is really bad\n e.g. it very often marks unchanged files as changed\n luks, hm I see\n svn's way seems to work well\n svn works well because it enforces line endings in a particular way\n ok\n both mercurial and git pretend they support LE conversions, but both suck at it for this reason\n and bzr has a pretty high bar in our qa and design process\n hm ok\n we're not happy with cruddy solutions :)\n and git I can't stand, way too many different commands\n I always get lost trying to do simple stuff\n AnMaster: I would say - use svn\n lifeless, svk maybe then, kind of need distributed\n AnMaster: bzr-svn is really cool; you can use that on the linux side :). And when we get line ending support for you migrate to bzr.\n bzr-svn :)\n heh\n hm\n also a lot of windows editors have a habit of storing mixed line endings\n so lines you edit or whatever gets CRLF and the rest if left as is\n hrm...is bzr-svn supposed to eat a lot of memory?\n yes, it's a known bug either in svn or the python bindings\n ah, that's right.\n I had forgotten.\n https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-svn/+bug/54253\n Launchpad bug 54253 in bzr-svn \"Excessive memory usage in bzr-svn\" [Undecided,Confirmed]\n malept, uups forget it then\n repo is like 5 GB iirc\n no wait, the source repo is 700 MB, the data repo is 5 GB\n still\n there's a workaround in the bug.\n I'm actually seeing 800MB+ memory usage in a 150MB svn repo.\n I'm going to see if it persists with the workaround.\n found it!\n breakfast, then I fix hpss for packs\n hrm...I don't see much difference with the workaround.\n hey jelmer\n hi kiko\n jelmer, I want to help you out with your question -- what packages do you need to maintain which you don't currently? there may be a misunderstanding.\n kiko: I'm upstream and Debian maintainer for bzr-svn\n but in ubuntu the package is synced from Debian\n jelmer, okay. and what is it that you want to do that you can't?\n so I can't actually change priority on bugs reported against the Ubuntu bzr-svn package\n I'm not sure whether this is how it's supposed to work either\n jelmer, gotcha.\n jelmer, this is an interesting second case of a problem I've seen before.\n jelmer, let me talk to brian murray. hang on.\n kiko: ok\n its correct\n you need to be in ubuntu-qa to change priority\n or in motu/core-dev\n join motu :)\n already on the list :-)\n Debian Bazaar Maintainers is listed as maintainer though\n and I am in that team\n except that launchpad doesn't recognize it as a team\n that's what my support Q was about\n jelmer: on the list != being a motu; you'd probably breeze through the acceptance process\n I think its correct as it is, because if you think about it it's not appropriate for someone outside the distro to say how important something is within the distro\n thats a function of the distro's qa and work practices.\n lifeless: I understand the theory behind it\n ubuntu does not have maintainers\n I take that back\n the maintainer field has no meaning?\n the package maintainer field?\n yeah, as listed on the launchpad bug page\n url me up\n https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bzr-svn/+bug/79333\n Launchpad bug 79333 in bzr-svn \"Use commit notifier in SvnWorkingTree.commit()\" [Wishlist,Confirmed]\n has a box in the bottom that says \"bzr-svn\" source package, and who the maintainer is, etc\n that's the bit that suggested to me that being in \"Debian Bazaar Maintainer\" would allow me to change the bug\n but I guess it's just the field imported from Debian?\n yah\n in Ubuntu, any motu can upload any package in universe; there is no concept of NMU\n and any core-dev can upload any package in main or universe\n that said, people do specialise, and uploading e.g. a kernel when you have no idea about the kernels would be frowned upon, but the maintainer lock is well and truely gone.\n its one of the major social differences between ubuntu and debian package management\n teams are social grouping for people working on the same thing; we'd need to either a) only allow devs (core-dev + motu) into such teams, or b) ignore such teams for the purpose of access control, to do acl's sanely\n we've chosen b) because that allows interested folk that are only prospective developers (aka going through NM) to participate more\n from ubuntu's perspective you are currently a prospective developer, you haven't passed the assessment to get upload rights & all that comes with that.\n ah, k - thanks\n jelmer: and you totally should to that now!. kthxbye -> #ubuntu-motu\n kiko: ^\n yean yean\n lifeless: I did know the bit about not having maintainers, it was the fact that it actually listed a maintainer (with clickable address) that confused me\n kiko: just making sure you'd seen it :)\n yeah well\n time to enjoy the evening\n night kiko-zzz\n ok\n NOW packs can run as default in terms of the test suite.\n thumper: you vant a kall?\n lifeless: sure, gimmie a minute, skype?\n k\n lifeless, jam: two minutes\n poolie: are you going to ring-out?\n poolie: or is it on the canonical conf server?\n also, note that jam is not on IRC:)\n on the conference centre today, i'll send mail about it\n Good evening, folks.\n poolie: ping\n hi abentle1\n abentle1: poolie is on the phone with me\n Hi there.\n Okay.\n I was just going to ask about the diff refactoring.\n e\n he's promised to look at it.\n Okay.\n I don't think it's urgent for 1.0, I'd just like to know.\n I'd love to have it in\n because then we can write crazy stuff like an adapter to read/use gits path attributes and diff control stuff\n lifeless: your update and data size patches look good to me\n +1 on both\n lifeless: Yep, sounds crazy :-)\n abentle1: on this patch: http://bundlebuggy.aaronbentley.com/request/%3C1196112144.32300.184.camel@lifeless-64%3E\n I see a whole lot of commit messages\n Is BB just showing the full set of messages\n even though the request was a cherrypick?\n Yes, it shows all the revisions in the bundle.\n Certainly not critical, but it looked like I should have been reviewing a whole lot more from those messages\n I guess I still have a bit of work left on that code.\n ok\n No one used to cherrypick, so it didn't matter. This is what I get for encouraging cherrypicking :-)\n jam-laptop: thanks\n abentle1: users huh.\n Yep. If you just write crappy enough software, no one will bother telling you how to make it better.\n poolie: ping\n pong\n I've filed bugs\n I think one or two are still going through the mail handler\n https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bugs?field.tag=packs\n I tagged them packs; will let you judge if they are 1.0 relevant/important\n I think they are all critical, if we are changing the default.\n New bug: #165290 in bzr \"packs do not check for missing compression parents\" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165290\n New bug: #165291 in bzr \"branching from hpss does not preserve format\" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165291\n How can these be undecided, triaged?\n I filed them as triaged, because that stops the janitor fucking with them\n and I'm about to get poolie to eyeball them\n Ah.\n routing around damage\n Hm. Who was the person with bits floating around in their head for inventory reworkings?\n me/poolie/jam/abentley\n lol\n Poor vila, so left out...\n Is there a spec or something somewhere to which capability requests can be added?\n I think poolie was taking point on inventory, all of us are thinking about it.\n There's a spec in the development docs, I think.\n New bug: #165293 in bzr \"collisions not handled correctly\" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165293\n New bug: #165294 in bzr \"packs interactions with common plugins not assessed\" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165294\n Hmm. Well, nothing jumping out at me. I'll just put it to the list.\n abentle1: want to fix bug 164639 ?\n Launchpad bug 164639 in bzr \"rich-root format should use packs\" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164639\n lifeless: already have\n cool\n Just went in this morning and I forgot to update the tracker.\n I'm starting to think that post-merge reminders would be good.\n#bzr 2007-11-27\n could be; otoh getting mails from the commits list is enough for me\n New bug: #165304 in bzr \"smart server data streams not used across repository\trepresentations\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165304\n New bug: #165306 in bzr \"merge commits are extremely slow\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165306\n New bug: #165307 in bzr \"graph.heads() does O(N^2) access to the graph\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165307\n fullermd: what was the bug you filed yesterday about unreferenced texs ?\n jam-laptop: if you're still hacking, lookin into that check bug would be most excellent iMO\n New bug: #165309 in bzr \"pack index has no topological locality of reference\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165309\n The check one? I can look up the number in my -bugs mailbox...\n fullermd: heh\n poolie: more bugs landed https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bugs?field.tag=packs\n 165071\n jam-laptop: ^\n New bug: #165313 in bzr-pqm \"working tree clean check comes after branch check\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165313\n New bug: #165315 in bzr \"Cannot version a 3M path tree\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165315\n ouch\n don't you kind folks do tests on the mozilla tree? Is it that much smaller then the debian source opened up?\n beuno: It evidently is. ;)\n beuno: its 50K paths\n so 60 times smaller\n Aw, I checked out the mozilla tree for nothing. :p\n 52218, 'find . | wc -l' tells me.\n lifeless, it's an interesting use cas ethen\n poolie: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/159118\n Launchpad bug 159118 in bzr \"can create a pack repository over bzr+ssh, but then not open it\" [Low,Confirmed]\n poolie: just noting it\n Question: How do i remove/override a default ignore for a repository? IE if I don't want *.o files to be ignored, is there a way?\n Nephyrin: there are no default ignores.\n Nephyrin: ~/.bazaar/ignore contains your personal ignores, which you can change\n Nephyrin, maybe explicitley adding it? bzr add foo/bar.a?\n lifeless, he might mean if it's been ignored as a general rule, but wants to make an exception\n Ah, it was in the ~/.bazaar/ignore\n Thanks ^.^\n * Nephyrin doesn't consider a tree clean if it has those nasty .o files.\n hi all. i'm getting an error when trying to push something to launchpad via bzr. (http://pastebin.ca/798862) can anyone help?\n j1mc, hi\n jam-laptop: I would say your branch is bound to the http url\n meh\n j1mc, try 'bzr info'\n hi poolie\n or just 'bzr unbind'\n j1mc: did you get the branch by doing 'bzr checkout' if so, try 'bzr unbind', then your push should work\n lifeless, were you trying to call?\n poolie: yah\n should I try again\n poolie: ok, i did that. no errors or anything\n lifeless: yes, i did do a bzr checkout\n i'll give that a try\n lifeless: here's what i get now: http://pastebin.ca/798882\n ah, it is a checkout, you really need a full branch I think\n j1mc: have you seen our tutorial ?\n lifeless: no, i haven't.\n it's a lightweight checkout. lifeless does unbid work with lightweights too?\n beuno: unbind doesn't work with lightweight checkouts.\n However, you can do \"reconfigure --tree\" to turn a lightweight checkout into a normal tree.\n j1mc, ^ :D\n beuno: i am just trying to do a normal branch now, and will just copy my changes (two files) over those two files in the branch once it's done.\n j1mc, great then\n hi. i'm crazy and I want to use bzr for versioning stuff other than files in the filesystem. How much pain am I in for?\n dash: Define \"stuff other than files\".\n in terms of writing code to pull data out of whatever structure i've got it in, and putting it into a bzr branch.\n Odd_Bloke: something /sorta/ like the way smalltalk stores its code\n Why not write code to pull data out of whatever structure you've got it in and put it into files and then put those into a branch?\n in an opaque database-ish file\n Odd_Bloke: hmm\n I really don't like your chances of resolving text conflicts in your data.\n hmm, why's that?\n all the data is going to be source code of some variety\n dash: I'm not really sure I understand your use case here. Do you just want to store history, or do you want to take advantage of the merging capabilities of bzr?\n well, let me rephrase\n I'd like to manage a wad of source code with bzr, both for history and merging purposes. This source code isn't stored in individual files in a filesystem hierarchy. It's actually in one big file on the disk, but internally there is some concept of hierarchy and so forth.\n The hackish way to expose this would be to write a FUSE driver to interface to this, and use bzr on that\n but havng to mount things is tedious and i'd rather just use bzrlib directly.\n make sense?\n Yeah, I'm just trying to think of a way to do it. :p\n You might be best writing a post to the ML, as it'll get more eyes looking at it...\n well, mostly i'm thinking about how smalltalk and lisp have pretty rad development environments but you can't use 'normal' VCSes with them\n and i'm wondering how hard it'd be to adapt bzr to deal with that\n (for a new language/dev environment)\n dash: so the layering here is:\n repository\n branch\n tree\n if you can map your current code into a conceptual tree, you can replace WorkingTree with e.g. SqueakImageTree\n that combined with language bindings of course, should work reasonably well\n Well, aside from actually performing merging and such.\n Since TreeTransform hits the filesystem pretty explicitly.\n right, need to replace that; and the ui layer too of course\n ciao\n lifeless: awesome\n lifeless: i am expecting to embed python anyway, so that should work\n and yeah, I should be able to punt on merging for a while so long as i've got history\n hi all - me again. i'm getting closer, but i still can't upload changes to launchpad via bzr, even though i have commit access: http://pastebin.ca/798954\n New bug: #93609 in bzr \"Better error messages for bzr lp://\" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93609\n beuno: any advice? ^^\n j1mc: do a 'bzr commit -m \"\"' first, then a push\n thanks, Verterok\n y're wellcome\n \"Pushed up to revision 3624.\" w00t :)\n thanks\n New bug: #172249 in bzr \"bzr check help out of date / confusing output\" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172249\n * siretart feels stupid. can someone have a look at http://pbot.rmdir.de/6b5ea9950aeacc1ce3c11455362c6b72 and tell me what's wrong with fetching a branch from launchpad via https?\n siretart: try dropping SSL and just using http?\n * AfC doesn't use launchpad much, though\n AfC: launchpad doesn't support plain http, only https\n siretart: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/82086\n Launchpad bug 82086 in bzr \"pycurl transport causes tracebacks if the server's SSL cert cannot be verified.\" [Medium,Confirmed]\n siretart: well Launchpad advertises http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bzr/bzr-push-and-update/trunk for the Bazaar push-and-update plugin that I was experimenting with a few days ago. That looks like HTTP to me.\n (needless to say, I have recommended to them that they get with the program and get a bzr:// server going)\n Odd_Bloke: thanks!\n morning\n Is there a prize associated with the best performance_gained / size(code_modified) ratio ?\n lifeless: bug #165601 fixed, more fear than harm, with a fun twist ;)\n Launchpad bug 165601 in inkscape \"win32: non-ascii filenames still don't work\" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165601\n lifeless: bug #165061 fixed, more fear than harm, with a fun twist ;)\n Launchpad bug 165061 in bzr \"bzr branch http:// with a pack repository takes too long\" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165061\n the hell with the typos !\n siretart: what OS/distro are you using ?\n siretart: if debian or ubuntu check wether or not the ca-certificates package is installed (there seems to be some inconsistencies in dependencies around pycurl/libcurl/ca-certificates)\n vila: ironic to have a typo given the root cause\n lifeless: yeah, story of my bzr life ;-)\n hhtps, 165601, _max_readv_combined, brz, the list goes on...may be scripting languages and their run-time checks nature are not for me finally, will look at ada/c++ again...\n vila: bb:approve\n vila: JFDI\n lifeless: :) no way, sub minute cycles are too good :)\n lifeless: your 'bb:approve' above means I should pqm-submit now ?\n vila: gutsy, and ca-certificates was not installed. installing it doesn't help either\n vila: hell yes\n vila: this probably makes knit pulling faster too\n lifeless: ok, I'll merge\n rats, forgot NEWS update again\n siretart: wow, what version(s) of libcurl and pycurl are installed ? (Note that you can force urllib use if these problems get to boring)\n vila: note that pulling from https://code.launchpad.net/~debian-opensync/opensync/upstream works, but not from https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~debian-opensync/opensync/upstream\n ii python-pycurl 7.16.4-1 Python bindings to libcurl\n ii libcurl3-gnutls 7.16.4-2ubuntu1 Multi-protocol file transfer library (GnuTLS)\n siretart: ha, I think the problem is that code.launchpad.net and code.edge.launchpad.net do not use the same certificate authority (Go Daddy for the later)\n siretart: so the obvious workaround is to avoid code.edge\n not sure if this is really a problem or a feature :)\n siretart: I don't enough about ca-certificates packaging to answer that :-) Short of updating /etc/ssl/ca-certificates.crt yourself or creating your own...\n vila: what If I don't have root on the machine like in a student lab?\n avoid code.edge, only launchpad beta-testers should ever see it or bug launchpad admins :)\n AFAIK people are working on the ca-certificates problem so I hope they'll address that but I don't have more info on the subject, I just saw that new CA days ago, so I don't know when it appears nor if it will stay that way\n from the bzr point of view, as of today, either you use pycurl and relies on it to find the right certificates (or use CURL_CA_BUNDLE env var) or you use urllib and certificates are not verified at all\n siretart: you can overrite the ca certificates file with an env variable I believe\n siretart: see vila's last line in fact\n lifeless: seems like a good candidate for being documented in the bzr manual for 1.0\n I think I can fiddle that out for me, but I now have a more easy workaround for myself\n siretart: could be; you know where to record that :)\n lifeless: on my list. right after updating the opensync packages :)\n Hello.. Does somebody have a comparative experience in using Bazaar and Subversion ?\n i suspect most of the people in here have used svn at one time or another\n theSoftMan: what are you looking for?\n I ask me what is the right choice for me ? actually i'm using CVS... and i'm looking for other one...\n I like subversion for it's branch versionning system, atomic commit, binaries files improvements, ...\n hehe... it has no branches... it just thinks it does :)\n but bazaar looks very \"sympatic\" too but the GUI for Windows system are not so user friendly as subversion ones ( IMHO )\n (sorry.. I'd like to answer... but got a phone call...)\n How bzr treat binary files ?\n jam-laptop: ping\n vila: pong\n time to synchronize :)\n I just replied to an email before seeing the next\n the simple fix for 165061 has been merged\n i saw that, which is good\n did you include a NEWS entry?\n yes, before merging\n lifeless gave the bb:aprove here and and launchpad so I merged a few hours ago\n s/and and/and on/\n sure, and I certainly gave you bb:approve\n your patch is definitely correct and an improvement\n so, you propose to still coalesce until we get a reasonable number of ranges\n I just think we can go a bit further\n I'm concerned about downloading too much data compared with issuing several get requests\n I think issuing multiple requests is *better*, but harder for us to do right now\n And as I mentioned, we may want to limit any given collapsed range\n depending on how we fix the incremental parser\n ha, ok, so you think the risk to encounter too much ranges is still high and want to guard against that until we implement several gets ?\n right\n I think in *my* repositories\n you are going to get a lot of fragmentation\n bzr.dev and roberts repository\n are probably rather clean\n mine have a lot of uncommits\n and revisions from other projects\n While my public would be a bit cleaner\n (since pushing from local to remote would clean it up a bit)\n I still have a lot of branches in 1 repository\n and not all of them will have been merged\n hmmm, I wish we could test against that simply...\n vila: I can put it up for you if you want\n I can probably push it up to a canonical server\n so you don't abuse my bandwidth\n or you can push it up here, so *you* abuse mine :-)\n then I should find a good candidate from your heads()\n I can give you a few branches along with it\n New bug: #172360 in bzr \"bzr 0.92 unable to branch from knit repo to pack repo\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172360\n is there a way to add a file \"s\u00c3\u00bcb\u00cf\u0086\u00ce\u00bf\u00ce\u00bb\u00ce\u00b4\u00ce\u00b5\u00cf\u0081/\u00c6\u0092il\u00c5\u0093\" to a bzr repository? my LANG=en_US.UTF-8, and bzr says encoding: 'UTF-8', fsenc: 'utf-8', but no love\n (hmm, my IRC client doesn't seem to be showing any conversation....)\n I'm trying to add a unicodey folder/file to bzr, and getting no love. when it spits back the error it does say encoding/fsenc/lang all UTF-8, though.\n added \"s\u00c3\u00bcb\u00cf\u0086\u00ce\u00bf\u00ce\u00bb\u00ce\u00b4\u00ce\u00b5\u00cf\u0081/\u00c6\u0092il\u00c5\u0093\"\n hey, so my earlier messages must have gone through\n it says:\n added \"s\u00c3\u00bcb\u00cf\u0086\u00ce\u00bf\u00ce\u00bb\u00ce\u00b4\u00ce\u00b5\u00cf\u0081\", then bzr: ERROR: exceptions.AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'file_id'\n (that's if I bzr add the folder)\n when I try to add the file itself I get the same \"added \", then: bzr: ERROR: The file id \"None\" is not present in the tree Works for me, too, with 0.92 and .dev.\n n[ate]vw: can you post the traceback to a pastebin?\n !paste\n pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)\n yeah, I can\n works for me with bzr.dev\n works for me to, but when I `bzr revert`, it reverts, but then spits an error\n involving loggin, I think; sorry, I lost it\n http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46007/ for the folder\n Mmm. Darwin.\n hmm....\n that looks like parent_ie is being None\n which is a bit odd\n n[ate]vw: what happens if you use just plain \"bzr add\" ?\n to recursively add everything.\n similar error to adding the folder\n http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46010/ for the file directly\n hold on, the plain 'bzr add' ives back a KeyError exception instead\n http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46012/ for the recursive add\n (paste.ubuntu-nl is hosing some of the unicode -> ??? in those dumps)\n anyone else able to reproduce, or workaround? (sorry, might have missed first responses)\n (my client started cooperating @ \"I'm trying to add a unicodey folder/file to bzr\")\n wait a sec, your on Mac, right?\n n[ate]vw: I wonder if there is a path normalization problem\n yeah, OS X 10.5.1\n as in, when you create a file with \u00c3\u00a5\n you might type it is as u'\\xe5'\n but the FS changes it to\n 'u'a\\u030a'\n certainly I'm seeing u'su\\u0308'\n which would be u with dots\n (u) (with dots)\n rather than\n (u with dots)\n (u'\\xfc')\n doesn't bzr convert to a normalized form internally?\n we used to\n but it added a lot of overhead\n and broke when platforms didn't normalize themselve\n selves\n It turns out that Windows likes to do mixed normalization\n Sometimes using wide parethesis\n but usually using narrow\n etc\n there are also some heavy performance issues if you have to normalize every file in a 50k entry tree\n but if bzr doesn't do any normalization internally, wouldn't it just keep whatever the shell passed it?\n or fs, in the case of adding the tree recursively,\n -,\n except the shell could have passed in one\n versus the fs\n but yeah, I would think recursive adding would have worked\n let me try that here\n I can reproduce it here\n I'll try to track it down\n great, thanks\n fwiw, mercurial seems to have handled the same folder fine. no complaints on add, and I was able to clone the repo succesfully.\n n[ate]vw: you might want to try checking it out on another platform\n at least Windows will puke pretty badly\n last time I tried that\n well, not puke\n hg, or bzr?\n but it puts the UTF8 strings into OEM encoding\n so all the names are bad\n hg\n hg doesn't pay attention to Unicode\n so it just versions 8-bit strings\n which depends on your encoding\n ah, indeed\n so while Windows fs is MBCS\n you will get different paths on Russian windows\n versus US windows, etc.\n So it causes double-pane on Windows?\n * fullermd sneaks back under a rock.\n I've asked in several channels, so I guess one more can't hurt.\n I'm looking for a tool to manage my configuration files, particularly distributing them over a set of remote machines. I would like to be able to specify which files to transfer, if non-default versions of them are to be transferred, and ideally, that the tool is able to detect remote changes and merge them back, or not.\n by \"merge them back\", do you mean a diff or just picking one copy of the file? unison is able to do two-way sync, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't do text merges\n jam-laptop: should I file a bug on the OS X unicode issues, or will you once you've looked into it\n submit one, and I'll comment on it\n I'm assuming nobody is interested in seeing the several-KB dump when I add the file directly?\n I suppose I could just link to the pastebin, if those don't get cleaned out too quickly\n I did find this https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/bazaar/2007q2/024773.html, which clarifies the problem a bit but seems to be posted before the normalization routines were removed\n hey folks\n do we have dapper packages for bzr 0.92 yet?\n doesn't seem so\n New bug: #172383 in bzr \"Cannot add normalized Unicode file to repo\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172383\n jam-laptop: filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/172383\n Launchpad bug 172383 in bzr \"Cannot add NFD normalized Unicode file to repo\" [Undecided,New]\n whoops, bot beat me\n so currently, bzr stores filenames in whatever form they are received, but is aware they are Unicode when writing to disk (the distinction from hg)?\n I guess I'm still wondering how bzr stores/compares the filenames in memory, and whether normalizing only when checking equivalence would be a good compromise\n (or maybe \"checking equivalence\" doesn't happen like that, I don't really know anything re: the internal architecture)\n n[ate]vw: no, I just responded to bug 172383\n Launchpad bug 172383 in bzr \"Cannot add NFD normalized Unicode file to repo\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172383\n Some of the normalization calls are still present\n not seeing how this relates to bug #165071\n Launchpad bug 165071 in bzr \"check reports spurious unreferenced texts\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165071\n n[ate]vw: just a bad copy and paste on my part\n I meant bug 102935.\n Launchpad bug 102935 in bzr \"\"combined\" unicode characters are renamed on Mac\" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102935\n vila: what is the status of your fix for bug 164567\n Launchpad bug 164567 in bzr \"FTP push does not work without specifying password\" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164567\n nm, it was merged in 3025\n But your name wasn't mentioned in the commit message\n so i had trouble finding it\n jam-laptop: no prob. from that ticket, do I understand if I were add a directory named s\u00c3\u00bcb on an NFC fs, and then clone it to an NFD fs, bzr would eventually: 1) notice the file missing internally, 2) normalize the name and find it in the new form, and 3) do the right thing\u00e2\u0084\u00a2?\n n[ate]vw: from 102935?\n no, unfortunately not anymore\n it used to\n but because of problems of users having filenames in mixed normalization on other platforms...\n (and for whatever reason not being able to change their filenames)\n hi\n morning lifeless\n any chance you had time to backport any bzr releases to dapper?\n when dealing with a \"missing\" file would it be possible to normalize both sides of the comparison - disk names vs. internal name - or would that case be a recurring performance drag?\n jam-laptop: if we we're scrambling to make packs default, sure.\n lifeless: sabdfl was just in earlier asking for them, and I know we haven't been getting regular backports to dapper\n I understand you are busy with other things\n Maybe someone else should be doing the .deb building?\n he wanted them for the datacentre\n elmo has rolled it out already\n k\n there is a patch I need to apply\n so whats up with NFD ?\n New bug: #172392 in bzr \"interrupting a client waiting for a lock over bzr+ssh leaves process on server\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172392\n Mac stores everything as NFD, our current code is normalizing them when creating an Inventory Entry\n but then the \"smart_add\" code doesn't realize that\n and looks up the NFD\n So Inventories are still NFC only\n but the smart_add() code is using NFD\n grah\n andyou're saying 'dont fix smart_add, stop normalising' ?\n We *could* go through this again and try to make smart_add use NFD\n lifeless: correct\n we have a bug open for it\n because other wise on mac\n bzr add \u00c3\u00bc\n bzr status\n will show \u00c3\u00bc as missing\n and an unknown file \u00c3\u00bc as being present\n If we fix smart_add\n we have to fix status, etc.\n well you're the guru\n but I don't see anything thats changed the validity of your prior argument *to* canonicalise.\n brb\n lifeless: the effort required to get it working with dirstate trees\n and the performance hit of normalizing\n n[ate]vw: that might be possible\n n[ate]vw: then what happens when someone stores both forms on disk...\n there is also a possibility to work this into case-insensitive issues as well\n lifeless: oh, and on Windows, it likes to create non-normalized names under certain situations\n lifeless: Japanese Windows was creating filenames with Wide-form parenthesis IIRC\n heh, I suppose there's some OS that would allow both \u00c3\u00bc's on the same branch\n Which meant that we couldn't version them, since they cannot be accessed under their other names\n n[ate]vw: another possibility was to store the canonicalized name, as well as the form on disk\n so that when scanning through directories\n we could see which path lines up with which other one\n it certainly would be nice to only do this sort of thing on \"misses\" rather than for every file\n so each clone could have the working copy in the OS-preferred format, but internally it would be stored canonically?\n doing something just on misses might be nice for performance, but I'd be worried it would just be wacking one mole to come up again in some other function. I don't know bzr well enough to say, though\n the old code did it only for misses\n but always normalized in one direction\n os => normalized form == internal form\n otherwise when you get a miss\n you have to normalize everything (at least in that directory)\n since you don't know *which* one it should have been pointing at\n (since, after all, it missed)\n Well, you could skip all the known files at least.\n true\n I suppose you could keep track of what things hit, and what missed\n and then at the end compare them\n however,\n the current api (I believe) expects to get everything in sorted order\n so you have to defer returning anything\n until you have processed the whole directory\n not terribly onerous\n but probably would have an impact\n wow, that's a tough problem. it'd be nice to get it right by using a canonical form internally, but then it gets benchmarked against a system that ignores some of those issues....\n do users expect bzr to keep the original working form on all same-platform clones?\n especially with regards to mixed-normalization?\n n[ate]vw: well the concern is that the program generated mixed normalization (MS Office)\n is going to do weird things once you change the normalization.\n so in the jp locale, MS Office doesn't even want to open a file if it doesn't use fullwidth parentheses?\n jam-laptop: you'd almost need to keep track of three forms: original form as added, canonical form, form on disk\n jam-laptop: have you looked at the new check refcount error ?\n lifeless: it looks like it is still present\n k, I'll fix it then\n !paste\n pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)\n lifeless: the simple fix should just be: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46034/\n A more complex one would intersect \"planned_revisions\" with w.versions()\n abentley: ping\n Hallo\n I'm stracing a bzr process, just for fun, and I see it repeatedly uses (and unlinks) /tmp/tempfile.tmp\n That sounds like a potential security problem, but I'm not sure where it comes from.\n (I'm pulling changes from a local bzr-only branch into another branch bound to an SVN repo)\n Lo-lan-do: are you sure it isn't running the test suite?\n During a \"bzr pull\"?\n and is it always explicitly \"/tmp/tempfile.tmp\"\n or is it using a randomized name\n Lo-lan-do: I suspect its a bug in bzr-svn\n jelmer: ^ can you confirm?\n Lo-lan-do: bzr itself doesn't do that.\n There are random names plus /tmp/tempfile.tmp\n it only uses tempfiles for svn dump files\n jelmer: does it use a hard coded name though?\n no\n tempfile.mkdtemp(prefix='bzr-svn-dump-')\n Maybe svn-python then.\n * Lo-lan-do grabs the source package\n yeah, I don't see that existing anywhere in the bzr-svn source\n svn-python doesn't really provide any functionality, it just wraps libsvn\n and I would be surprised if svn used that file\n Lo-lan-do: thanks for noticing this\n http://paste.debian.net/43600\n Lo-lan-do: we'd obviously like to fix it; i you can figure out what is doing it that would be fantastic\n any chance you could find what is being written to the file?\n Lo-lan-do: at least within python you can override open and file\n Any wlue what line 3 looks like?\n maybe have a process that spins waiting for it to appear and dumps the content\n I guess the write() calls\n say it is dumping SVN data into it\n line 2 suggests SVN\n Lo-lan-do: can you try with -s 4000 or something?\n Yeah\n Lo-lan-do: line 3 *looks* like it might be the data you are copying\n it looks like english with a typo\n 'latd' => 'late'\n other 2, or (atr op) any late inhomogeneous...\n http://paste.debian.net/43603\n ./subversion/libsvn_client/ra.c: truepath = svn_path_join(truepath, \"tempfile\", pool);\n Sounds fishy\n yay svn\n quick, make an exploit\n Maybe I'll just quietly report the problem first :-)\n Hm. Actually, that file is opened with O_EXCL, which fails if a symlink exists.\n ...and it even retries with another name if it can't use that precise file.\n False alert, then, I guess.\n Lo-lan-do: still *looks* suspect, and shouldn't be hard to fix\n what happens if you create that file in advance\n as root, without permission to unlink\n (for your user)\n From what I read from the code, it tries /tmp/tempfile.2tmp\n If that still fails, /tmp/tempfile.3tmp and so on\n abentley: ping\n jam-laptop: ping\n jam-laptop: poolie did not review my fix for 165306; perhaps you could before you finish today ?\n lifeless: sure\n jam-laptop: thanks.\n jam-laptop: thanks, replied.\n bbiab food\n jam, lifeless: ping\n one minute\n morning\n morning igc\n hi igc\n jam-laptop: conf call\n coming to the meeting?\n yes\n lifeless: pong\n yep\n abentley: hi, jst on a call, but will get back to you soon, its about LCA and merge\n lifeless: you don't have to pop the commit, it is fairly trivial, though it has a lot of baggage for such a simple change.\n lifeless: are you sure you want to use __heads? __ parameters can't be used by subclasses\n jam-laptop: yes, I do\n jam-laptop: I wanted to use heads() -> _heads(), but you thought that was too public.\n jam-laptop: we're under a lot of time pressure and I just want to get this out of the way.\n k\n you could just name it\n _graph_heads()\n if you're not feeling the pressure, fix more bugs:)\n but anyway\n abentley: hi, so. Did you see my mail about resolving >1 LCA's by merging amonst them rather than recursing for a deeper LCA ?\n You mean the way git does?\n jam-laptop: I've commented on the missing compression parent bug\n abentley: appears to; yes.\n thanks\n jam-laptop: the basic thing is to avoid individual index lookups; so batch and dispatch.\n I don't see why we'd want to do that.\n You can get multiple sets of conflicts, one per merge.\n abentley: if it can correctly merge without conflicts, even an addition 10% of the time, I'd love it.\n abentley: I was reminded of this when I spend 40 minutes this morning resolving conflicts because I had a dual-LCA situation\n I'd rather focus on making knit merge rock than follow git's weirdness.\n abentley: well; I guess I'm asking if its *weird*, or if they've come up with a solid answer.\n abentley: I agree re: making knit merge rock; its a shame that it will suck in 1.0.\n (because packs are unannotated)\n what if we go back to per-file LCA's?\n (well, go to, as we haven't ever done it before)\n jam-laptop: abentley has previous indicated he's against that because it doesn't solve the root problem of >1 LCA's, only defers it.\n The usually have a less complicated graph\n jam-laptop: my opinion is that deferral is fine if its an improvement :).\n lifeless: Even with un-annotated knits, I bet we can to knit merge quickly.\n As long as we don't annotate lines we don't need to annotate.\n lifeless: your comment on bug 165290 seems like you only detect corruption after the fact, rather than preventing it from the beginning.\n Launchpad bug 165290 in bzr \"packs do not check for missing compression parents\" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165290\n abentley: if a line is common that doesn't mean it has the same introducing revision;\n I actually think using the per-file graph might make sense now.\n jam-laptop: atomic insertions remember\n write_group.abort?\n lifeless: If a line is common, we don't try to trace its origin in the first place.\n jam-laptop: just raise an error, there is a sample there - look for missing_texts\n abentley: oh, ok\n First step in a knit merge is finding the differences in the un-annotated texts.\n So if they came from different sources, but they're the same now, we leave them alone.\n I'm by no means trying to stop other people from implementing merge algorithms.\n But I think knit is the most promising, especialy wrt cherry-picking.\n And using the per-file graph is probably a good fallback strategy when we *are* doing three-way, since semantic mergers will be three-way mergers.\n yay!\n jam-laptop: are you redoing your http readv change patch ?\n I submitted an update\n I'm not sure what you are looking for\n to bb or the bug ?\n to bb\n the bug is now marked closed wth vila's patch in\n http://bundlebuggy.aaronbentley.com/request/%3C474C1123.1050903@arbash-meinel.com%3E ?\n lifeless: yes\n#bzr 2007-11-28\n jam-laptop: ok, reviewed.\n basically I think what you have done is the wrong approach, though the code is reasonable.\n jam-laptop: and I've suggested an alternative approach\n lifeless: I think that might end up returning data out of order\n coalesce will re-order to get better packing\n jam-laptop: so some options.\n we could coaelsece knowing that we'll submit 200 at a time\n I suppose you could just not collapse them?\n so we have a window of 200 and we pack linearly out-of order up to 200, then a new window etc\n another option is to do what I suggest but use that to accumulate the result rather than to return it\n that is, coalesce optimally, then do all the reads, then start yielding in-order.\n (also not that we have an out-of-order-is-ok option for readv)\n s/not/note/\n Can't we just join the gaps between ranges until we have a suitable number of ranges?\n abentley: lifeless is saying that it ends up downloading too much\n abentley: that results in reading vast amounts of data\n that was my approach\n its exactly the bug that I filed\n now it turned out that the case I filed was trivially solved, but when it gets more complex we will still trigger bad behaviour\n the cost of a new round trip, for nearly anyone on the planet is < 2 seconds\n Right.\n a 512kbps line - thats 1Mbit, or 128K\n I *do* think that multiple GETs is the right approach\n this was mostly expedient\n (Default fudge is 128 bytes, by the way)\n so any expansion over 128K is a net loss in this scenario.\n Well, I'm going over to the dark side to see if I can't get the case-insensitivity problems fixed.\n faster links expand the amount we can tolerate, but also tend to reduce latency, shrinking it.\n abentley: may the force be with you\n tx. laters.\n abentley: good luck, later\n Hmm, anything happen since Thursday?\n code\n Wow, pulling bzr.dev has been going for almost 5 minutes now.\n Well, it took me a minute and a half, and I pulled yesterday, so...\n What did you do, update to Python 3k?\n Rewrite it in Perl? :D\n Just finished. 7 minutes.\n It only downloaded r3011-3038.\n you're probably experiencing the http readv coalescing bug\n that we fixed:)\n Were 'bzr cat' and bzr+ssh fixed for packs?\n yes\n Yay.\n 'Course, I'd have to use bzr.dev..\n though mixed packs and knits over bzr*:// may do bad things\n lifeless: Mixed?\n its being investigated right now\n Like having a pack repo locally and pushing to a knit repo?\n bzr pull bzr+ssh://someknitrepo local-pack\n pushing will be fine\n Okay, good.\n pull may insert incorrectly formatted data.\n look at bugs tagged packs in launchpad\n Um. How bad is that?\n Is that like rm-the-repo bad or reconcile-while-whine-some-more bad?\n Peng: *if* it doesn't handle it correctly, you'll get raw knit hunks that are annotated in a pack repo; or vice verca.\n if the error checking is there (I think it is), it will just error.\n Peng: and this *only* affects pull.\n Oh.\n Does it affect clone?\n cloning is pulling\n Or merge?\n Okay.\n merging does a pull\n basically, if you have a pack repo today, don't pull/merge/whatever from a knit repository over bzr+ssh using bzr.dev until https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/165304 has some comments on it\n Launchpad bug 165304 in bzr \"smart server data streams not used across repository\trepresentations\" [Undecided,New]\n will*\n lifeless: Like I said, is it rm-the-repo bad or reconcile-will-whine-some-more bad?\n rm the repo\n IWBNI(tm) the SS data were totally divorced from the repo formats. That way the client wouldn't even have to be able to read or know anything about the server format (or vice versa), as long as it could store the requisite data.\n I'd also like a pony.\n fullermd: it is\n fullermd: the question is if the client code DTRT\n I'm pretty sure it isn't, as broadly as I mean it.\n Hmm.\n This affects 0.92 too, right?\n Peng: 0.92 is safe because bzr+ssh and packs will just die\n Haha. That's right.\n I think I'll stick with using sftp just to be safe.\n My bzr 1.0 client Should(tm) be perfectly able to read over bzr*:// a branch9/pack5 branch, as long as my local data format can store all the same info as the remote.\n Even though I won't pull much.\n Well, I don't expect to pull over bzr+ssh at all, but just to be safe...\n fullermd: yes, for the current smart server verbs, thats exactly what can be done\n fullermd: we haven't made all operations smart server verbs, so it won't actually /work/ but that's being picky :)\n Hey, wait a minute. Isn't this a data loss bug? Or are they okay in bzr.dev?\n Peng: bzr.dev is fine\n Peng: sorry, I don't get what you mean quite;\n Well, in much the same way that we're totally faster than git; it's just incompletely implemented ;p\n The homepage claims you've never had a data loss bug or something.\n Peng: in a release\n Heh.\n Riding dev head on anything is wild and wooly.\n How many data loss bugs have snuck into bzr.dev? :X\n right now, there is this *potential* one. And its not necessarily a bug: we're checking.\n (says the guy running bzr head under his window manager head+ on his OS head...)\n its 'There might be a problem, please dont do X until we have checked'\n not 'There is a problem, dont do X'\n Both mean \"don't do X\".\n right.\n and in a few hours we'll know if this is an actual bug or not\n I suspect its not, it will just error. But safety first.\n hi jelmer\n Man, my cat sat down on my lap literally 30 seconds before I was planning to get up.\n That's pretty bad. Most cats have much better timing than that; 30 seconds is long enough that you might think it a coincidence.\n Heh.\n I've been away for a few days too.\n Anyway, bye.\n ciao\n To help decide which VCS to use, are you guys dog or cat people? :)\n * Peng wanders over to #mercurial to ask, and then leaves.\n Probably merits a FAQ entry...\n cat person\n is what I am\n looking at bug 164443\n Launchpad bug 164443 in bzr \"can't branch bzr.dev from codehost over bzr+ssh\" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164443\n poolie: I'm waiting for pqm to quiesce to reconcile it for you\n the bzr.dev branch\n you can kill my 'post-review cleanups' branch if that would be easier\n hmm, I might do that.\n reconcile started\n ok\n do i need to resubmit that, or will you reenqueue it when it's done?\n you will need to resubmit\n it's in the replay set already\n the FAQ mentions tailor, svn2bzr and bzr-svn for migrating from svn (in that order)\n I think tailor shouldn't be listed first because it's going to give the worst results of the three\n agreed\n surely bzr-svn is the best\n That's so that by the time the user gets to bzr-svn, they really appreciate it ;)\n what is a replay set?\n poolie: the hash from the gpg signature is noted\n poolie: if we get the same again it is rejected\n stops replay attacks\n Peng: bzr+ssh is safe\n Peng: it will just error\n Phew! Made it back with my soul intact. Turns out the last version of bzr I had on Windows was 0.8\n rofl\n poolie: we're safe to change the default\n bialix isn't kidding when he says it's messy. I fixed four test cases for transform while I was there.\n https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/165304\n Launchpad bug 165304 in bzr \"smart server data streams not used across repository\trepresentations\" [Undecided,New]\n abentley: cool\n lifeless: I know that WorkingTree4 has a much stricter locking policy, but I wonder if we should have the same policy for is_executable on *nix and win32.\n abentley: I'm not sure what you mean\n could you phrase it as a change\n *nix doesn't need a lock and win32 needs a lock.\n I said in a review to bialix that I thought requiring a lock on unix was fine\n We could wrap is_executable in a lock decorator, or we could make it require a lock even on *nix.\n he had some massive cruft in his 'make things be known failures' patch\n Okay, maybe that's a saner way forward. Otherwise, we'll just introduce new lock failures without noticing.\n I think most things should require a lock; because it will help track adhoc api abuse\n that can cause errors and performance bugs\n I miss the days when locks were almost implicit.\n it was easy\n but it performed terribly\n New bug: #172483 in bzr \"progress bars on http push behave badly\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172483\n lifeless: Great.\n lifeless: One thing I noted on win32 is that our config directory is still *\\Bazaar\\2.0\\\n I don't know if we *can* fix it, but it seems like it would be good.\n well, we'll reach 2.0 eventually :)\n btw, I'm updating to trunk latest to give pack a new try with bzr+ssh push. :P hopefully it's going to work. hehe. exciting.\n dewd: okies\n dewd: it should packs->packs\n i thought it was the default format already. looks like dirstate-tags is the one still\n something wrong? I created a new packs repo on the remote server, and when branching it on the local machine with bzr+ssh, the local format says \"dirstate-tags\".\n dewd: No, that's a bug.\n I'm just looking it up in fact\n bug 164628\n Launchpad bug 164628 in bzr \"branching from hpss doesn't preserve repository format\" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164628\n You can work around it by creating a branch in pack fomat, then pulling into it. Or by not using the smart server for the branch command.\n ok. thx.\n Hello everyone.\n I'm back from honeymooning.\n poolie: check passed; pushed to a packs branch, then pushed that to a new one gave the same size pack, now running check in the resulting branch\n lifeless: good afternoon\n yo spiv\n hello spiv\n you working or slumming?\n poolie: hello.\n lifeless: working a half day, starting now.\n i should really go and see \"Keating!\"\n poolie: I nearly saw that, but the night I had tickets for got cancelled due to a performer having a cold :(\n lifeless, is pqm running? the web ui is stuck on the output from my killed job\n it's still running\n he's not very kind to spivs though :)\n poolie: yes, pqm is running, dunno why the UI shows that\n poolie: oh, I know\n Heh.\n lifeless, you're right, using a reconciled branch in the same way works fine\n poolie: its got jobs,s o the status file looks like the end of the run I canned\n ?\n spiv, quick call?\n poolie: jml just got in first\n poolie: I'll ping you when we're done?\n just call me\n lifeless, you were right it just needed reconcile\n poolie: will do\n Wow, almost 1 MB pack from just the last 6 days.\n (... of changes to bzr.dev)\n wow. packs rocks\n lifeless: if you've got a branch where packs are the default, I'd be interested in running bzrtools against it.\n abentley: I posted a patch to the list\n just change the format name to pack-0.92 and it will work\n dewd: glad you like them\n spiv, the streaming hpss changes don't seem to be mentioned in NEWS; can you please add something appropriate?\n poolie: ack\n hi spiv\n spiv: welcome back.\n spiv: welcome back\n abentley: snap\n heh.\n lifeless: packs seems much more network friendly for me now in my sample tests. congrats. :-)\n dewd: we have quite a few future enhancements planned\n that will help even more\n abentley, thumper: thanks!\n it's a winner in my book. nice decision to go for it sooner. much more pleasant\n great\n poolie: ok, it passed, migrating to escuderi\n ISTM that if one is going to use packs, one should use bzr.dev.\n Peng: seems fair to me.\n in 0.92 they were explicitly tagged experimental\n True.\n I didn't expect that \"experimental\" would mean \"half-broken\", though.\n Honestly, I thought that they were marked experimental because they weren't fully optimized and because you're planning to change the format a couple times in the future. I didn't know that there was more work to be done for them to work fully.\n Hmm. \"bzr diff -c X.Y\" seems to be a lot slower than \"bzr diff -c Z\".\n Woah, you made bzr.dev packs already?\n Peng: we'll issue more versions of packs as we change it.\n Mm-hmm.\n That's whast I meant.\n what*\n ok.\n Peng: diff -c x..y will have to extract two full inventories vs 1, so if thats slow (many files) then yes.\n lifeless: Not two dots, just one. The crazy revnos from branching and merging.\n oh, hmm..\n It's not like I did real scientific testing. But when reading through the log of new things in bzr.dev and diffing some, it felt slower.\n Peng: do the two revisions change similar numbers of files?\n jamesh: Didn't pay attention.\n i.e. could it be that the time taken is proportional to the size of the change rather than whether it is on mainline\n Since I'm using packs, would you recommend using bzr.dev? I mean, I'm afraid of data loss and stuff, so I don't even always use the release candidates.\n the other check would be to see whether \"bzr diff -c revid:whatever\" differs in speed to the dotted lookup\n abentley: please resubmit your patch\n Okay.\n pqm is missing some lock correctness stuff itself\n Peng, if you're concerned about data loss i'd generally recommend using releases\n right now bzr.dev looks solid to me\n Peng: we called it experimental cause it was; it was supported in 0.92, so if you had encountered corruption or something we'd have happily spent time fixing your data\n Peng: and we needed more feedback on it; I wouldn't call it half-broken. It was literally 4 days work to fix all the glitches we encountered making packs be able to be default\n jamesh: Argh, not sure.\n packs took way more than 8 days to make :)\n poolie_: you too, please resubmit.\n I'll monitor the first one to go through\n again?! :)\n yup\n jamesh: Um, yes. Using the revid changes 3009.2.29 from taking 8.5 seconds to 0.5.\n tree.lock_write() FTW\n done\n Peng: I guess you've found the reason then\n the dotted revnos are the sort of thing that could probably be cached in the branch though\n so it is something that could be fixed\n lifeless: Well if it only took 4 days, you could've delayed the release.\n ( is valid SGML, right?)\n heh\n ' needs & though\n Peng: depends on your sgml definition\n or whatever they call it\n :D\n well, the release hasn't happened yet has it? And at 0.92 time that was a month ago, there was UDS and allhands, and time based releases\n lifeless: ping\n we didn't know at 0.92's timeframe how long the piece of string was, or what issues would arise\n i386: yo\n i386: you in SF?\n yo\n Yeah I am\n lifeless: Well, maybe not half-broken, but 'bzr cat' and pushing over bzr+ssh didn't work, and there seems to have been a *lot* of work in bzr.dev to fix things.\n the SGML declaration is what I was thinking of\n Will bzr.dev being packs make pulling a lot faster?\n Peng: try it ;), using bzr.dev because 0.92 has the http range combining bug\n I was just about to try it, then I discovered I have two extra copies of bzr.dev from November 2, at r2954. I wonder why?\n Both are dirstate-tags.\n One is dirstate.\n * Peng shrugs.\n Using packs over bzr+ssh, is there any reason to upgrade the server to bzr.dev?\n Or is 0.92 okay?\n you'll need bzr.dev, there were a few broken methods\n Ooh.\n That sounds unappealing.\n Especially since I'll never remember to keep it up-to-date.\n just the one update\n then at our next release you can switch back to releases\n Should I run check and reconcile now? Or will it still report millions of non-error errors and take gigs of RAM?\n check and reconcile in bzr.dev are a-ok\n Last time I tried a couple weeks ago it used 1.6 GB of RAM.\n they will check but not reconcile packs.\n they will check and reconcile knits\n Blaah.\n Never mind, then.\n pack reconcile is on my laptop and my top priority tomorrow\n :)\n it got sidelined with this 'get packs ready for default'\n Wow.\n Err. Not wow at that.\n With 0.92 and http://bazaar-vcs.org/bzr/bzr.dev/ being dirstate, pulling from 3010-3038 took some 7 minutes. With bzr.dev and the remote being packs, 3010-3040 took 1m15s. Nice.\n Wait. The 1m15s test was also without a working tree.\n But that couldn't take more than about 5 seconds.\n hmm, 1 minute is still slow\n I bet you its in graph traversal\n what speed adsl do you have?\n 1M is 16 seconds on 512\n 1.5 down.\n so, 6 seconds + figuring out what to pull\n 4 round trips there minimum, should be able to do this in say 12 seconds total\n e.g we still suck\n Yikes.\n * jml takes his inner pedant out for a coffee\n lifeless: Are you going to abandon the knit version of your repository branch now?\n Peng: I'll probably make it a packs version, so I can hack on the next experimental format\n repository will be the new format, repository.knits will be the current format. Okies.\n Peng: well, I'll rename it too, for clarity :)\n Right.\n ok, pqm is happy now\n so I'm off\n Pushing packs over sftp, is bzr.dev any faster than 0.92?\n (Creating a new branch.)\n Wait, never mind. I am using bzr.dev.\n (I was asking because if it was faster, I might want to kill a push I'm running and start over with bzr.dev. But since I am using bzr.dev, doesn't matter. Still might be interesting to know though.)\n should be the same\n if its a shared repo it should be really fast\n if its not really fast and is a shared repo, please file a bug, tagged packs.\n why does addCleanup enforce uniqueness of cleanup callables?\n jml, no good reason\n ok\n if you're motivated to do it, send a separate patch removing that check\n poolie_: the motivation is low.\n New bug: #172499 in bzr \"Bazaar knit corruption \"Not a gzipped file\" \" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172499\n ^^ sounds like the web server helpfully adding Content-Encoding or Transfer-Encoding headers\n lifeless: I dunno. It took 25 minutes to push into an empty shared repo, but it was a large branch (bzr.dev), so that might not be bad.\n Peng: oh, new content has to upload; It's 50MB\n Peng: whats your upload rate\n lifeless: I'm not sure. I thought it was 256k.\n so, thats 32 seconds/MB\n or 2MB/minutes - so 25 minutes\n Okay.\n Peng: sounds like we got wire rate total time\n And that's with sftp's overhead.\n not to shabby\n when we halve the size of storage it will get faster again\n Halve? How?\n new storage level diff algorithms\n New delta algorithm?\n yah\n viao\n ciao\n Which one?\n lifeless, can you please chmod the .knits branch?\n New bug: #172506 in bzr \"allow users to force an empty commit message\" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172506\n wb\n poolie_: sure; will do shortly\n poolie_: done\n dude go home!\n I am :)\n just got dinner\n lifeless: the memory consumption of reconcile is much better now; thanks!\n * spiv stops work for the day\n Definitely.\n Wait, I only ran check.\n 0.92's new \"bzr help formats\" is nice. :)\n Have I missed an email regarding a new release schedule (as bugs are now being targeted for alpha releases I've never heard of :p)?\n Huh, Ctrl+Cing pushing from packs to dirstate tracebacked.\n Peng: file a bug please\n when did 'bzr viz' become so much more awesome?\n six months ago if i fired it up on launchpad it produced a window about 5000 pixels wide\n Uh-oh. Using a copy of bzr not installed in the system means the plugins aren't available.\n Is there some way to find out what revision I had before a bzr pull\n A log or something\n No.\n What can cause 'bzr shelve' to fail to remove changes from the working tree?\n New bug: #172567 in bzr \"Per-file log is *very* slow with packs\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172567\n lifeless: Seems my upload speed is 512k (1/3 of the downstream? huh). That would mean bzr over sftp is half the wire speed.\n Peng: I assume you're using ADSL, in which the A stands for asymmetric (that is to say, they use more lines for down than up as most people use more down than up).\n Odd_Bloke: I know that. I thought it was lower than 1/3, though.\n jam-laptop: ping\n vila: \n lol\n what's up?\n looking at doing multiple get for readv, will be simpler if we don't have to respect the provided order for the offets\n vila: you can look at the sftp readv code\n it does out-of-order fetching\n but only buffers what it cannot return\n all we really need is to change how we parse the values\n hooo\n I've done all that work\n I just haven't had time to rewrite the http response parser\n I think we can avoid that rewriting for now, but I have to look at sftp first\n well, I think all the actual parsing is fine\n it is just written to parse a complete response\n rather than parsing as you go\n hmmm, that will buffer quite a lot of data... well price to pay to respect the order while minimizing network use, I suppose you did the analysis at the time\n Do you think it's still valid with packs handling megs of data ?\n vila: in my testing the amount of out-of-order data was all very small\n so reading as you go bufferd only small amounts of data, ok, let's say that ;-)\n vila: also if adjust_for_latency = True\n we can return things out of order\n But I think that may be taken care of in the base readv() implementation\n (it sorts them so the individual implementations don't know it is out of order)\n vila: And I believe most pack operations use that\n soooo, I don't have to worry\n phone\n Is there a way to get \"bzr shelve\" to be \"tighter\" in what it considers a single hunk?\n And by \"tighter hunks\", I mean what \"bzr diff --diff-options=-U0\" might give.\n GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGAR\n bzr add precious; bzr rm precious\n oh look, 'precious' is no more\n * elmo stabs himself repeatedly\n Looooost! Precious is lost!\n * fullermd hugs his rm --keep alias.\n it doesn't actually remove anything that isn't in the branch history\n luks: except in the example I just posted\n I just did this IRL and lost like 70 files as a result\n what version of bzr?\n mine says \"bzr: ERROR: Can't safely remove modified or unknown files:\"\n luks: 0.92\n ah, it's a bit more involved\n bzr init; bzr add precious; bzr ignore precious; bzr rm precious\n ouch\n that sounds like a pretty nasty bug\n it probably doesn't check the modified status for ignored files\n Will bzr upstream ever reconsider the decision to not track all permission bits in bzr?\n (not just execute)\n bzr is *really* close to being suitable to track system config files, for example.\n warren: AFAIK, it's not that they don't want to do that, they just haven't decided quite how to\n elmo, oh\n elmo, yeah, I guess a solid plan would be necessary.\n there are other permission bits than the chmod XXXX\n there are also filesystem acl's and xattrs now\n warren: lifeless mailed me just the other day, asking for details of how we use bzr for managing /etc and how we'd like permission management to work\n elmo: with the 'bzr ignore' involved I do see the file being deleted\n jam: yeah, I filed it as https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/172598\n Launchpad bug 172598 in bzr \"bzr rm loses data under some circumstances\" [Undecided,New]\n otherwise I see the \"cannot safely remove modified files\"\n elmo, ok, looking forward to a future of true permissions management =)\n I'd think the most likely near-term solution would be plugins using a per-file properties system (as might come about for line-ending and such support)\n New bug: #172598 in bzr \"bzr rm loses data under some circumstances\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172598\n What is the shellyscript way to find that a bzr tree has uncommitted changes?\n Something around bzr di maybe?\n looks like it would work...\n bzr st?\n bzr modified\n ?\n I was looked at bzr st, but it does not have non-zero exit status if uncommitted changes are found\n * Peng shrugs.\n bzr di has\n (modified would only show files that had changed, not other things like added files, of course.)\n Something with python -c \"import bzrlib...\" ! :D\n \"if ! bzr diff > /dev/null\" it is\n ddaa: bzr status -q ?\n no, it isn't that quite\n jam: has zero exit status in all cases\n quiet\n diff seems to be the way to go\n I thought we had something different\n yup\n a bit wasteful, but not biggy\n jam: maybe we can have \"bzr diff --no-diffs\"? :)\n Maybe something with version-info --check-clean? Think that triggers on unknowns, though...\n if I upgrade to packs, will \"commit after a big crazy merge\" stop being slow?\n It used to be fast, but he regressed quite badly in recent releases.\n hmmmmmm\n does pull with packs have a progress bar yet?\n s/he/it/\n mwhudson: ask linus, you do not need progress bars when you're fast ;)\n about \"commit after big merge\", it's a real issue for me\n ddaa: Committing merges with packs can be/is slow. There's been recent work to make it much faster, but it didn't solve what made it slower than with knits in the first place.\n ddaa: You could try it.\n Peng: not really\n upgrading the launchpad repo to packs requires something like 20GB RAM\n waiting for that to be fixed\n ddaa: eh, no\n ddaa: i pulled launchpad/devel into a packs repo and it was perfectly smooth\n am I confuzzled?\n it's reconcile that takes/took megagigabytes of ram\n wasn't there this discussion about \"bzr upgrade\" eating crazy memory for the launchpad repo?\n ah right\n but upgrade won't work if it's not reconciled, right?\n * mwhudson is confused too now\n * ddaa holsters his confuzzlerizer\n Some repos need to be reconciled, some don't.\n mh\n maybe some launchpad repos have this problem and others don't\n so maybe it's worth for me to let bzr check run on mine\n is there any way to do something like bzr push --uncomitted? this is not a good description; what i want to do is push uncommitted changes in my working tree to the branch i'm bound to\n use case: i suddenly have to leave while working on my laptop. i'm 80% done a feature, but it doesn't even compile at the moment. i want to push my working tree to the branch i'm bound to, without actually committing.\n this happens to me a fair amount\n what i do now, is have many commits of 'junk state'\n but i'm trying to move to a more sanitized mainline\n well, there's merge --uncommitted . other-location isn't there?\n ah, merge --uncommitted -d other-location .\n oh cool\n but this won't work with a bound branch; so i'd have to unbind first?\n though i don't know if that'll update a working tree over sftp or whatever\n hm not sure, i don't use bound branches\n keir: but hang on a moment\n keir: there's another answer here: don't commit to mainline\n i didn't either until recently; they are pretty handy for my laptop/desktop combo!\n mwhudson, yes, i understand that option; i still don't like it because e.g. bisect becomes much less useful\n A third option would be to uncommit away the dirty rev if it bothers you that much.\n but then it'd be uncomitted on my desktop when i get back, but still committed on my laptop\n Well, you have to 'update' on the laptop anyway, so what's the difference?\n unless i made a script commit, unbind, uncommit, ssh into desktop, uncommit\n i suppose what i'm looking for is bzr synctree\n No, you just update.\n if i 'update' on my laptop after uncommitting on the desktop, does that uncommit the changes on the laptop?\n Pretty sure I've done it more'n once.\n update's pretty much like pull after all; move the head to the new rev, merge any outstanding WT changes.\n Just because the new head isn't a descendant of the old one doesn't change anything material there.\n keir: You might have to 'pull --overwrite', but I don't use bound branches much so I don't know.\n interesting\n i recently turned one of the machine learning researchers here at U of Toronto onto bzr; he generally likes it\n but had some problems: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.bazaar-ng.general/33525\n ddaa, Peng: The commit after merge has been fixed for both knits and packs\n The problem was searching the global revision graph\n versus the per-file ones\n when finding common ancestor, etc.\n i didn't have a good answer to his issue, so i asked if he could post to the list, but no one has responded.\n Both are *valid*, just the global graph has more nodes to search\n jam: Oh, cool.\n There is more work to be done (to make searching the graph faster)\n jam: thanks, I'll wait for my lpdev update, then :)\n ddaa: yeah, I don't recommend you converting your personal one to packs until the upstream is packs.\n Oh, and the reconcile memory consumption has also been fixed\n I'm not sure what it would be for LP now\n cool\n is b.control_files._lock.peek()['user'] really the easiest way to find out who has locked a branch?\n but for bzr.dev it dropped quite a bit\n that means we'll probably switch devpad to packs shortly after the next bzr release.\n I appreciate how keeping memory use in control is difficult in Python\n uncommit after a commit from a bound branch is not putting the changes back into the working copy\n it's much easier when you can use custom allocators.\n that's probably the only thing I think really sucks with Python\n ddaa: well, having an algorithm that reads all inventories and buffers them in memory\n is just a poor algorithm\n It stored a slightly more efficient form\n but still had a record for every file in every version\n Sure, but you'd have found out earlier if you had bounded cache mechanism with a custom allocator, so you could have tested it with different memory limits.\n It's a recurring problem in bzr.\n \"If we do not cache, it's slow, if we cache it eats tons of memory.\"\n LRUCache?\n Well, Ubuntu used to send out those free CD's. Can't we send out free DIMM's to bzr users? ;)\n (I realize this is a blanket statement and that they are many bad reasons for things to be slow or eat tons of memory, I am just trying to make a point about memory management in general)\n fullermd: Sign me up!\n if we do that, people will complain that those DIMMs do not have free VHDL.\n So we balanced the PR implications, and decided not to ;)\n \"Lightsabres aren't open source!\"\n New bug: #172612 in bzr \"new commit is overly verbose\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172612\n Wow, bzr 0.12 is only 1 year old. You've been busy.\n vila: packs make an effort to request in-order for .pacll\n vila: and same for indices - but with indices they set the flag saying out-of-order-ok\n elmo: and are you going to mail me back :)\n ddaa: yes packs commit merge is faster\n ddaa: reconcile is fast now, in .dev\n You were just adding dotted revnos and bzr+http.\n (I wonder if bzr+http worked then. Grumble grumble.)\n hi jam, how is the missing-compression-parent patch coming ?\n ddaa: actually, we knew it was bad on memory in 0.92\n ddaa: I don't think the actual developer realised how bad bad memory issues become in the sort of scaling environments we encounter\n tap tap tap is this thing on?\n lifeless, i think your tapping knocked ddaa's connection out\n :)\n Hi. Does anyone here know anything about these bzr irc logs? \n gander: that would be jam\n Why would he do that? It's a spammers delight\n why?\n gander: why's that? hostmask accidently matches email address?\n Because anyone can trawl for email addresses of it. Cant they?\n yes, but the percentage of working email addresses you would get would be tiny.\n It'd be pretty poor trawling, I'd think. The density of addresses is miniscule.\n most users email and hostmask don't match the reverse lookup of the machine they IRC from.\n that said, santising them should not be hard. jam: ^\n Hey, the more nonexistent hosts spammers try, the less time they'll spend rapping on my servers :p\n Looks like I need to mask mine then\n you'll likely find other channels you are in are also logged\n If you participate in FOSS development, your email address is screwed anyway. Bug trackers, VCS author information, mailing lists ...\n Pah! :(\n Peng: yes, but gander may be just using bzr :)\n True.\n s/True/Right/\n luks: ping\n pong\n hi\n nice performance regression\n well, not nice, but nice catch noticing it\n the file log?\n yes\n I've replied with an analysis of the callgrind\n we can probably trivially drop it to 7 minutes by removing the duplicate call to get_revision_graph\n 7 seconds, I hope :)\n the other two will take a little more work; if you're interested in hacking on this code ...\n well, I have generally very mixed feeling about packs, so I'm probably not motivated enough :)\n maybe it's just me, but it feels a lot slower on many local operations, which is what I'm primarily interested in\n luks: file bugs, lots of bugs.\n it's all caused by parsing the big indexes\n luks: I know for absolute fact that its faster and many local operations; but we're likely not looking at the same data set, nor the same operations.\n s/and/on/\n yep, simple things like diff or st are faster\n historical diff and st, I mean\n but for example just genering a bundle for 'send' is slower\n luks: this is why is was experimental in 0.92; and I was expecting a little more time to find performance regressions (where 'all history' become more expensive, but 'partial history' became possible.) and fix then\n s/then/them/\n bug 165309 will help with the index performance\n Launchpad bug 165309 in bzr \"pack index has no topological locality of reference\" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165309\n but changing all-history API usage to partial-history API usage is the key thing needed to improve performance\n knits are incapable of partial-history operations\n but they were tuned to do all-history very fast\n it turned out that this was not a good enough solution\n knits with better indexes would be, IMO\n the current text index for packs probably needs some kind of subindex to make it fast\n luks: the current text index for packs is /way/ faster than knit indices at extracting say 1% of keys\n anyhow, bug 165309 will deliver a subindex of sorts\n Launchpad bug 165309 in bzr \"pack index has no topological locality of reference\" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165309\n I think uncommit is slower with packs.\n lifeless, which is why diff -c X and st -c X are fast\n luks: anyhow, here's what I'd *love*. File a bug anytime a pack operation is slower than a knit operation.\n ok\n they will nearly all involve commands accessing too much history\n That's interesting. I wouldn't expect uncommit to need to do any repository actions at all.\n Peng: please file a bug.\n I'll mail the list right now.\n I guess to find the parent, maybe.\n luks: can I quote you in my mail? I'd like to give people context about what I'm asking\n sure :)\n Shrug. Uncommit takes a couple seconds with packs, and I don't remember it being non-instant before.\n I'll confirm it in a few minutes.\n But now to brush my teeth!\n Hi, I'd like to convert an existing CVS repository to bzr\n I tried using tailor but it fails: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=439124\n Debian bug 439124 in tailor \"tailor: Fails to convert debian-admin CVS repository to bzr\" [Important,Open]\n lifeless: Hey, what's hte status of pack reconcile?\n the*\n * Peng goes back to tooth-brushing.\n buxy: Have you tried using the cvsps-import plugin? IME it's a lot more reliable than tailor, as well as _much_ faster.\n fullermd: no, do you have a pointer?\n Hi folks, I have a share-repository I have been checking out of but the dns name got changed... what do I do to use the new name? thxs\n of found at http://bazaar-vcs.org/CVSPSImport\n I'll look into it, thanks\n ksmith99: I know you can use --remember with \"pull\" to make it change the default location\n do you guys know when bzr-gtk 0.92.x will be in the repository http://bazaar-vcs.org/releases/debs ?\n marianom: thanks, looks like a good start\n ksmith99: this is not as clean (and maybe it's a bad advice) but you can change the parent branch address accessing .bzr/branch/parent\n Peng: I'm hacking on it as we speak\n marianom: we're not currently building bzr-gtk; next monday I should get time to do repository stuff\n thanks lifeless\n marianom: thanks, I might try that if remember doesn't work\n Is there a command to make a repository default to having working trees or not?\n The bzr install hacks your system to add those capabilities to the 'rm' and 'touch' commands ;)\n * Peng wanders off.\n hi\n hi\n Peng: you can rm .bzr/repository/no-working-trees; I don't think we have a UI for it yet\n I have moved a bzr repository to a different server, now it give me the following error: http://pastebin.org/9773\n Peng: there is a python API to change it\n luks: use a modern bzr\n meh\n lucasv1: use a modern bzr\n 0.11 is very old\n we're at 0.92 today\n Similar question, I have a git repository I'd like to convert to bzr, I found bzr-git but there's no doc on how to use it\n bzr-git is incomplete\n jam: was most recently working on it\n lifeless: it's debian stable I think\n that's what my hoster gives me\n lucasv1: you've been using a more recent bzr\n possible, I have an ubuntu workstation\n lucasv1: the one you have switched to cannot handle kind changes properly\n ah ok\n so, you need to get them to upgrade; newer bzr's are in debian backports\n lifeless, damn, now you got me interested in packs again :)\n luks: my email ?\n I'm looking on the code right now, but is there some limit when a pack is considered \"final\" and won't be repacked?\n aleph-null? ;)\n yes + the irc discussion\n _max_pack_count seems kind of random\n luks: no; we could consider that though. Some things to consider - each item is moved log10(total commits) times.\n luks: its arbitrary yes, but not random :)\n well, for 100000 revisions you get only 1 pack, for 99 revision you get 18 packs\n not very good distribution, IMO\n at 100000 revisions, the things committed in the first commit will have been copied 5 times.\n luks: and you'll need to do 900000 commits to get them copied again\n well, let's say I have 999 revisions, so I have 27 packs\n right\n now I do a commit and all of them get repacked\n at that point you're paying quite a high latency price\n which means I have to reupload the whole repository\n so we correct that by dropping it to 1\n luks: with the smart server, once streaming push is implemented, you won't upload the repository again; instead the server itself will do the repack.\n I think lucene-like repacking would work better\n well, but dumb servers are a big advantage of bzr :)\n do you have a link for that ?\n umm, no I don't think so\n if you can find one I'd be delighted to read up on it.\n bit the point is that you have ~ logaritmic distribution of index sizes\n and you combine smaller indexes into bigger ones\n luks: so far this is exactly what we do\n but almost never touch the \"top\" indexes\n well, 27 -> 1 is not exactly that :)\n luks: thats precisely that. You're sampling only the times that we do touch the top indices.\n lucene would take for example the lower 5 ones and pack those\n luks: again, thats exactly what we do.\n nope\n say you have 899 revisions, with 26 packs\n it always maintains a certain number of indexes\n it will never drop to 1\n unless you manually merge them\n well, we could do that easily; just change the distribution logic\n you could do that with a plugin in fact :). The code that takes a distribution already chooses to only move around the smallest amount of revisions possible\n there are two problems that it has though, that seem to me to need serious consideration\n one is scaling\n if you have a really big repository its reasonable to pay more latency\n so a constant number of indices is really bad for small repositories (too much latency), or really bad for big repositories (too much repacking)\n the number is not constant, it depends on the whole index size in lucene\n ok\n the other thing is that if you are going to touch two indices its cheapest to just combine them together rather than in some other form\n this isn't quite represented correctly in the autopack.\n its something I realised after doing the initial code and before coming back to it.\n * lifeless files a bug\n lifeless: is there some way to tell the code how often to repack?\n lifeless: I'm thinking of mass-imports that could potentially be speeded up if the number of repacks could be reduced\n jelmer: well, you'll trade index latency off against repacking.\n jelmer: if mass imports will be improved, improve the autopack logic.\n jelmer: (but I do understand the desire to control this through code; I'm entirely open to a disable_autopack() api call.\n luks: so I've filed a bug about that. if we're going to read N packs, only ever bother writing 1 new pack.\n I don't know if lucene does this.\n but basically its silly to aim for a constant number. Because - to keep it constant, you have to shuffle data *between* your indices[packs]\n and as each pack is write-once.\n this means reading N packs and writing M packs, where N=M+1 once you hit your constant number\n well, the point is that you shuffle only the small ones or in small incremental steps\n (each new commit adds one pack, then you put it into your constant-sized collection)\n luks: but thats what we do? We only shuffle the smallest ones\n luks: I feel like we're talking past each other here.\n yes, but you drop the number of packs radically\n that's the only thing I don't like -- I don't want to reupload most of my repository if I really don't have to\n its at power of 10 intervals\n New bug: #172644 in bzr \"autopacking should just combine all packs it touches\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172644\n to reupload most of your repo occurs extremely rarely.\n and mathematically I can't see that happens any more often than lucene would do it\n for instance, bzr is at 15K commits now after 3ish years.\n in the terms on total used bandwidth probably not\n our next full-upload is going to be at 100K commits\n but in the case of lucene, it would be done in small steps\n here it's a \"all or nothing\" situation\n luks: then you have described lucence to be badly; because logarthimic expansion of size will behave identically\n at some point lucence will decide to touch a top index\n and make a bigger\n yes, and it would be more often than in case of bzr\n that bigger one will have 10 times what the previous top had in it (what whatever logN they are using)\n but the distribution of pack sizes would be different\n so you will be never in situation you have to reupload/redownload the *whole* repository\n I think you are wrong about the impact and frequency; rather than debating - point me at code/docs.\n With bzr.dev working on a fresh copy of bzr.dev, \"bzr uncommit --dry-run\" uses 0.41 user seconds in dirstate, 0.86 in dirstate-tags, and 3.84 in packs.\n Peng: please file a bug as per my email\n can't find anything except API docs, which doesn't explaing it at all\n I haven't seen your email, but I will.\n Peng: thanks!\n Peng: my email contains a request for a callgrind file\n Peng: just of the packs version\n Just of the packs version? Okay.\n yah\n Will the time spent waiting for me to hit enter to exit it hurt callgrind?\n rarely need a knit version, its usually obvious where packs are slow\n Peng: not at all\n Peng: but you can probably enter in advance\n luks: so for clarity; I'm open to improving autopacks user experience.\n luks: It will need serious sum of operations and frequency of size impact analysis.\n I'll file a bug in a second.\n luks: I did this for the current code, and I'm very happy to help with the analysis of a proposed replacement algorithm.\n Peng: you can also use \"bzr uncommit --force\" to avoid the prompt.\n luks: for instance, here's a replacement algorithm: pack the smallest packs we want to get rid of into a new pack bigger than any current pack.\n hmm\n luks: this would guarantee that we always leave at least the current top in place; and only do this when the sum of the smaller packs is bigger than the current top, so autopack would be about choosing a 'top' to use\n jam: Oh, good. That even works with --dry-run.\n (so if we are leaving (say) the 10K packs alone, we might choose a 'top' to spin around of a 1K pack. Then all the < 1K packs become a new ~10K pack.\n this of course has other problems. We currently have the situation that most data most operations want is in the smallest packs.\n because we strictly shuffle small->next size up.\n lifeless: don't forget that pull just creates 1 new pack of all streamed data, right?\n and that lets us optimise the order in which we attempt to retrieve index entries as well as providing high locality of data\n jam: right\n do we have 'push' doing the same thing?\n jam: it still tends to preserve this property.\n oh, even pull over http?\n luks: yes, pull over http -> one new pack.\n jam: yes push does the same thing\n so it autopacks everything into a single pack on the client side?\n luks: single *new* pack.\n luks: basically it just figures out what it will need, starts streaming the data to the pack, and then finishes once it got everything.\n What's the pack bzr+ssh thing that corrupts the repo?\n (into a new pack)\n luks: then after the transaction it checks to see if it needs to autopack the whole repo.\n Peng: there isn't one.\n Peng: it was a concern that was all.\n lifeless: Okay, right. Just an error.\n er, I actually didn't realize you can \"pick\" only some revisions from pack even over http\n luks: so here are the parameters: We want adjacent texts to combine into the same pack as we combine packs, so that they can be efficiently delta compressed. We want to provide a natural cap on latency. We always have to replace an entire pack - we can't delete from a pack, nor add to one. We never want a user to have to worry about the internals.\n luks: over http we: perform bisection in 64K chunks on the .*ix indices. Then we plan a readv for each pack, and readv the data we want precisely out of the pack file.\n luks: we do one readv per pack for the revisions we need. Then one readv per pack for the inventories we need. Another for the text deltas. And finally one for digital signatures.\n luks: each readv is done in ascending order to make range combining as efficient as possible.\n yep, that's makes my concerns about redownloading completely invalid\n we're very strong about downloading; your concerns about re*uploading* are valid.\n I thought people will have to download whole packs if I repack something on the server\n but a reupload does not screw readers over :)\n luks: ah! any suggestion about where you got that impression?\n from the fact that packs are write-once and then only for reading\n so I though bzr will treat it as one big blob\n luks: ah; you didn't join the 'better at partial operations' thing to that\n luks: patches for doco appreciated :)\n lifeless, I did, but only for indexes, not for packs theirselfs :)\n brb\n New bug: #172649 in bzr \"uncommit is slow with packs\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172649\n :D\n thanks pen\n *Peng*\n Once someone called me Feng a bunch of times.\n I should change my nick.\n heh\n to Shui?\n Heh.\n That might work.\n Aww, already taken.\n jam: ping\n Actually, registered 2 years 33 weeks ago and last seen 2 years 33 weeks ago. The opers might delete it if I ask.\n lifeless: pong\n jam: how is the missing-compression-parent patch coming\n ok, I'm still at a bit of a loss for how to force corruption into the repository\n that, and I got side-tracked reporting a performance impact for \"bzr status\" after a merge\n there's a BrokenRepository test base class somewhere\n get_ancestry(revision_id) is a lot slower now\n what I do with such things is note them and move on\n yah, thats a typical size_history vs partial_history tradeoff\n well, you had asked for a callgrind, and I have trouble not looking at it myself\n jam: :)\n I was just saying what I do :)\n all the time is spent in _lookup_keys_bylocation\n yup\n the next index layer will remove bisection\n so I'm not that interested in tuning this\n s/.*/am not interested in/tuning this\n is there any way to upload a file as part of the bug submission?\n if you use the web ui\n yeah, but I wanted to \"just send an email\"\n so I don't have to click 10 times to set the status and the tags\n but then I don't get a bug number for a long time\n to upload the callgrind too\n https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/30225\n Launchpad bug 30225 in malone \"Attach files via email\" [High,Confirmed]\n to\n New bug: #172657 in bzr \"bzr status after merge slower with packs\" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172657\n jam: ping; can I ask for an insta-review?\n jam: my trivial progress bar fix - I'd like to flush that\n I'll give it a shot\n its 3 lines or so :)\n I don't see it in BB or in my emali\n email\n lifeless: you can paste-bin if you want\n grah\n http://rafb.net/p/ArhA5197.html\n lifeless: you are changing that function into a generator\n which with python2.4\n will fail\n try/finally doesn't work with a yield there\n bb:reject\n sorry\n oh foo\n python2.5 only\n fuckity\n Since people have troubles even getting 2.4, I don't think we want to depend on 2.5 just yet :)\n I know we discussed it a long time ago, but it really seems like at least RHEL is taking *forever* to get past 2.3\n 2.6 is close to alpha, right? What about it?\n try: except ?\n I don't even have 2.4 to test on now\n lifeless: try/except works (I believe), but I'm not sure what you would catch.\n Exception: and raise\n and then a plain \"pb.finished()\" as well?\n (outside the exception)\n we can go for it\n try:except Exception: finished();raise() else: finished()\n lifeless: I don't really like it, but BB:approve anyway\n not much else we can do, unless we want to allocate the pb in a non-generator\n try:\n for result in self._do_copy_nodes_graph(nodes, index_map, writer,\n write_index, output_lines, pb):\n yield result\n except Exception:\n pb.finished()\n raise\n else:\n pb.finished()\n aka what try:finally: stands for.\n bastards.\n ^ ok with that ?\n lifeless: except it isn't guaranteed to finish\n because someone in 2.4 may not consume the whole generator\n right\n 2.5 actually guarantees it will finish\n thats ok with me\n we control all the consumers\n anyway, BB:approve, though the \"correct\" fix is to move pb = ui.ui_factory.nested_progress_bar() up a level\n it gets fugly fast if we do that\n there are multiple callers of this\n and that sort of cruft is what we want pb's to avoid\n lifeless: go ahead\n lifeless: maybe with a comment so people understand the bit of cruftiness\n done\n bzr diff has -r, but is there an equivalent for a tag instead of revision number?\n -rtag:FOO\n (see 'bzr help revisionspec' for the full list of possibilities)\n bbs\n fullermd, thx =)\n hello\n poolie: please save me from elevator music\n jam, lifeless, igc, spiv : ping\n conference time, right poolie ?\n yep\n i'm in\n jam-laptop: to setup a repo where a fetch will find a missing text parent, here is an easy way\n jam-laptop: repo a: do two commits, A and B that add and alter a file foo, with id foo-id\n repo b: do one commit, A, that does not add the file foo\n then fetching into b from a will only copy the deltas for B, and the text parent for foo-id will be absent.\n long term this test has some flaws, but it will ensure that the sanity checking we need today is in place; and defers the other work until we have code that will need it, which is a good thing.\n lifeless: why wouldn't fetching into 'repo b' copy both A and B\n and thus fetch the basis\n jam-laptop: because B already has an 'A'\n or are you giving them the same revision id\n ok\n alternatively\n commit A and B\n then\n repo_b.add_inventory(repo_a.get_inventory(A))\n repo_b.add_revision(repo_a.get_revision(A))\n repo_b.fetch(repo_a, 'B')\n *boom*\n adding the inv and revision without adding the texts....\n ok\n thankns\n np :)\n poolie: yes pqm is sending mails AFAIK\n lifeless, yes, it just seemed to be delayed somewhere\n abentley: diff is snappy now; thanks\n abentley: in particular no-op diff is 1/2 sec\n poolie: I want time before going on leave to fix bzr-email to be fast\n poolie: its by far the slowest part of commit\n abentley: ping; are you on packs yet? :)\n well, I've proven that Knit1 repositories *don't* fail under those conditions\n because they always copy all missing revisions in the ancestry\n we probably knew that already\n good;\n knit->pack will today do the same thing; a test that it stays like that would be good\n pack->pack will explode\n well\n fail to explode\n right\n :)\n where's the ka-boom.\n there's meant to be an earth shattering KA-BOOM\n lifeless, well, performance of plugins is less important than performance of the core\n poolie: depends on the plugin though; if you were evaluating a VCS, would you setup email on commits ?\n probably not in my initial evaluation\n (tbh)\n poolie: I think the core has to support high performing plugins; this is likely a case where core changes are needed\n it's important, just imo not as important as the stability and performance of the core tool\n 10:48 < lifeless> poolie: I think the core has to support high performing plugins; this is likely a case where core changes are needed\n because deployments will eventually expand out to need the whole ecosystem for a given project to be fast\n anyhow, after friday\n#bzr 2007-11-29\n right\n hello\n I've got a straightforward documentation patch that still needs another positive review.\n lifeless: I'm looking for a SubunitTestRunner - is there something like htat yet?\n jelmer: all my changes are pushed; what is it you want to do ?\n jelmer: run a suite in a subprocess?\n yes - samba4's testsuite is subunit based\n but the main process is written in perl, not python\n including the subunit parser\n jml, url?\n jelmer: contribute it back dude\n poolie: http://bundlebuggy.aaronbentley.com/request/%3Cd06a5cd30711261654k61edd4c4n66c7d5894d1c485c@mail.gmail.com%3E\n lifeless: I will at some point, once we get rid of some of our extensions\n btw you should think about naming a child, should you have one, U.R.Lange :)\n jelmer: in subunit itself, you can use ExecTestCase to run external tests, and IsolatedTestCase/IsolatedTestSuite to run existings tests past a fork() barrier\n lifeless: I doubt you want support for setting up a Samba server inside subunit ;-)\n jelmer: well, thats really part of your tests: )\n jelmer: but the hook to make that easier; that I could go for\n poolie: heh heh\n poolie: I guess that's better than Minnie Lange\n poolie: thanks\n jml, can you merge it or do you need an adult to help?\n poolie: I need a grown up to do it.\n poolie: will I get an email once it's merged?\n no, but you can poll that page\n jml: subscribe to bazaar-commits\n lifeless: yeesh.\n spiv: you can commit kthxbye\n lifeless: ta :)\n 'bzr: ERROR: bzrlib.errors.ShortReadvError: readv() read unknown bytes rather than unknown bytes at unknown for \"http://bazaar-vcs.org/bzr/bzr.dev/.bzr/repository/packs/a3069b4df97462558e8666ff0cc72386.pack\": Server aborted the request'\n That's a lot of unknowns.\n -rw-r--r-- 1 robertc warthogs 58844730 Nov 28 03:44 a3069b4df97462558e8666ff0cc72386.pack\n .bzr.log have any hints? I pulled ok earlier today\n * spiv looks\n we have 58844730, 52560, 13592, 5453, 4930, 2259, 2052 packs\n http readv of a3069b4df97462558e8666ff0cc72386.pack offsets => 649 collapsed 149\n got pycurl error: 18, transfer closed with 162685 bytes remaining to read, (18, 'transfer closed with 162685 bytes remaining to read'), url: http://bazaar-vcs.\n in bytes\n org/bzr/bzr.dev/.bzr/repository/packs/a3069b4df97462558e8666ff0cc72386.pack\n spiv: interesting\n link error perhaps?\n Lots of other successful readvs before that, but none with more than 16 parts after collapsing.\n This is updating my bzr.dev from before I was on leave.\n (but using a current bzr.dev to the pull, and the local repo is now in packs-0.92 format)\n is it in knit or pack form?\n strange\n i.e. pulling into 2977 pqm@pqm.ubuntu.com-20071109154145-1yq4oi390uk3z90o\n are you using bzr.dev to do this? or your old bzr.dev ?\n Current bzr.dev, as of last night.\n ok, that has the http fix\n (3041 pqm@pqm.ubuntu.com-20071128045852-9ii8fj85vxz1om46)\n is it repeatable?\n Let's find out.\n Oh, one other interesting fact:\n real 38m32.140s\n user 0m3.196s\n sys 0m0.380s\n erm\n ex-wtf-me\n Which seems... odd :)\n Possibly supports the \"link error\" hypothesis I guess.\n * spiv tries again.\n time bzr pull\n Using saved location: http://bazaar-vcs.org/bzr/bzr.dev/\n Now on revision 3047.\n real 0m36.865s\n user 0m6.844s\n sys 0m0.344s\n still slow\n but I think mostly fixable via indexing work\n also we could do\n read-invs\n then read revs + texts + sigs in one readv to the pack\n dropping latency by 2 RTT per pack\n lifeless: still weirdly slow\n lifeless: long delay at \"http readv of a3069b4df97462558e8666ff0cc72386.pack offsets => 381 collapsed 4\" in the .bzr.log\n lifeless: now another long delay now that it's reached \"http readv of a3069b4df97462558e8666ff0cc72386.pack offsets => 649 collapsed 149\"\n lifeless: no network traffic atm according to tcpdump\n spiv: disable your squid.\n jml: how does trial retrieve tests from a path?\n spiv: or otherwise bypass; then try again.\n jml: hi, btw :-)\n jelmer: hi\n jelmer: black magic.\n jml: appears to be something custom, and I can't easily figure it out from the source, but I guess I'm missing something...\n lifeless: ok.\n jelmer: you are particularly interested in 'trial foo/bar/baz' rather than 'trial foo.bar.baz', right?\n (foo bar baz BZR)\n jml: yep, in running stuff that's not in my PYTHONPATH\n lifeless: btw, some traffic has occurred finally\n jelmer: the code is in twisted.trial.runner.filenameToModule\n jml: This is for the Samba testsuite - I really don't want people to have to install twisted just to run the testsuite but I like how easy it is to use trial\n jml: thanks!\n lifeless: for added laughs, Ctrl-C doesn't interrupt it.\n (nor does Ctrl-\\)\n lifeless: gdb seems to think it's in pycurl.so (but there's a lot of ?? in the backtrace).\n * spiv SIGTERMs it\n I think 'pycurl is uninterruptable' is on the known list...\n * spiv nods\n lifeless: it just completed in 3m 7s real when I bypass squid.\n * spiv files a bug\n spiv: interesting.\n lifeless: filed bug 172701\n Launchpad bug 172701 in bzr \"Large readv requests can fail if there is a squid proxy\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172701\n Perhaps I should have just said \"readv requests\" rather than \"Large readv requests\" in that summary.\n spiv: a http request decode of what is sent to squid, and squid to upstream for the .pack read that fails would help\n lifeless: do you know an easy way to get that off the top of your head? (e.g. the right tcpdump magic?)\n I can look it up if you don't.\n Wireshark's decoder/trace is handy.\n -R 'http.request' i think?\n tshark ftw\n Coming up with 'wireshark' of course mentally requires a detour through \"etherea... wait, what did they change their name to?\". Stupid program renaming.\n yes\n because wireshark is so much more clear and inuitive\n New bug: #172701 in bzr \"Large readv requests can fail if there is a squid proxy\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172701\n quick question: what's the best bzr setup for two people working on a project in a LAN? I can't seem to get permissions that work for the both of us\n grovers, sftp tends to have problems with permissions\n so i'd suggest using bzr+ssh, which should preserve them\n is there any way to use bzr+ssh with a non-standard SSH port?\n sure, i think you can put it in the url, or in your .ssh/config (on unix)\n so it would be acceptable for us to push/pull to each other?\n lifeless: Bundle Buggy's on packs, but I'm in the middle of reconciling my bzr repo.\n abentley: cool\n wool\n :!./bzr --no-plugins selftest reconcile.*ack -1\n testing: /home/robertc/source/baz/reconcile/bzr\n /home/robertc/source/baz/reconcile/bzrlib (0.93.0.dev.0 python2.5.1.final.0)\n [141/141 in 11s, 3 skipped] repository_implementations.test_check_reconcile.TestFileParentReconciliation.test_reconcile_behaviour(RepositoryFormatKnitPack3,UnreferencedFileParentsFromNoOpMergeScenario)\n native packs reconcile FTW\n let me check all pack tests, then I'm firing this off and done for the day.\n later all\n Omg! I got git to compile!\n Wait, I don't want to learn git.\n I was going to say\n Peng: there is a native pack reconcile patch I just sent to the list; if you\n are interested.\n Peng: (take a backup of .bzr first, of course :)).\n I am interested, but I'm too tired to try it now.\n Also, running bzr.dev is pushing it enough. But a patch?\n :)\n just giving the customer what they want :)\n The customer wants a nap. :P\n Anyway, thanks.\n * lifeless gives Peng a nap\n * Peng snoozes.\n * spiv -> late lunch\n Woah.\n I keep ~/local in a bzr branch, and the pack for installing git is 68 MB!\n A lot of bin/git-* files are the same 4.2 MB file. Might be hardlinked together, but bzr doesn't know that.\n Heh, converting my branches from format 5 to 6 saved about 14M of storage.\n knits: 145M, Pack+branch5 98M, Pack+branch6 84M.\n Branch6?\n Branch5 to branch6, that would be dirstate's branch format to dirstate-tags's?\n Heehee, I've got git installed. Cloning git.git had crazy fun output, and only took 2 minutes.\n * Peng goes to bed.\n Peng: correct.\n ok, i'm looking at bug 165304\n Launchpad bug 165304 in bzr \"can't pull knits to packs over hpss\" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165304\n spiv, still here?\n spiv, if you think it's correct could you merge john's fix for check? it looks plausible to me\n poolie: I'm here.\n poolie: I think it may have been obsoleted by an API change that got merged a bit later (which effectively made the same fix); I sent that reply will trying to catch up on the >1000 bazaar@ messages waiting for me :)\n poolie: I'll double check that's what happened, and if not I'll merge John's fix.\n hm\n i'm not sure if reading, or even trying to skim all the messages is a good idea\n Well, I mostly just marked entire threads as \"read\" based on subject line alone.\n I wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything about e.g. 1.0 planning.\n I had to resist my curiousity several times :)\n poolie: yes, an equivalent fix was made by a separate change.\n oh ok, so it's not still happening?\n As of yesterday, by the looks.\n cool\n In r3040; that particular change was in 3036.1.2.\n lifeless: My tests show that on some merges, the text extraction time for the simple case (no text merge) is the bottleneck. I'll be interested in putting in iter_files_bytes, once we have a good implementation.\n i'm seeing some odd failures - new tests from alexander for making the tree hidden call build_tree() incorrectly\n passing just a string, not a list\n i don't understand how this passed before\n lifeless: ping\n i386: yo\n abentley: if you'd like to write up a decent iter_files_bytes, I'd be happy to give pointers\n hey :)\n Ive been prototyping some APIs for rhodes recently\n and I dont like the feel of JavaScript for my usecase\n abentley: basically we need to plan the texts and retrieve them across N weaves, so need more code extraction for reuse from knits; generalising the underlying stuff to be arbitrary delta code instead, and make it talk (file_id, revision_id) pairs\n i386: yah\n so ive decided the world needs another DSL\n have you implemented lisp yet ?\n :P\n I bought a book on ANTLR\n from the pragmatic dudes\n ok...\n so you're going to write an entire DSL, or layer it on javascript using jantler, if such a beast exists.\n No on top of python\n since it already has a target\n and I already have some code :)\n anyway\n Ill buy you many beers if you can poke holes in my implementation / give me advice\n :)\n mail me a link to code\n Only when I have a language though\n what is rhodes?\n http://i386.kruel.org/blog/?p=257\n ^^ rhodes\n i386: hmm, my first reaction is doom\n rhodes++\n new language--\n hmm\n Yeah\n I want something simple and really controllable\n Bazaar is Python?\n Necrogami: oh yes; i386 and I are talking off-topic.\n Necrogami: yes\n Stackless or standard python?\n standard\n :-\\\n python 2.4 or above\n perhaps we could take this somewhere else lifeless ?\n i386: #rhodes I guess :)\n im a svn user currently how does it compare? or should i spend more time reading?\n Necrogami: stackless python is a little harder for users to get :). I'm not sure why you'd want it to require stackless python.\n stackless is quicker :-\\\n Necrogami: we think its superior to svn (and we're biased :)). Its got many features svn does not; and a few notables ones svn has are missing.\n Necrogami: speed is relative; we commit on trees with 50K files in about 4 seconds on laptop hardware;\n Right\n im worrying about size of my files to commiting vs time it takes to commit\n Necrogami: most of the places we're not extremely fast are in the process of being solved; and stackless wouldn't give as much of a win on its own as just fixing our code\n that's the problem i'm currently having\n Necrogami: how many MB are your files ?\n 44.82gb\n lol\n XML\n each ?\n it's one main file\n *blink*. Just to be clear; you have a single file that is ~40GB ?\n but it has about ... 12.5Million Files attached\n Yes\n Xml rendered map\n and 12M subordinate files. wow.\n It's a map for a game i'm designing\n so I can tell you today that we can't commit that; we hold files we're committing in memory as we commit them\n 12.58 million Sq Miles each sub file is a sq mile\n Necrogami: ok this isn't making sense to me; if you have separate files then your main file is not going to be 44G\n no ...the Sub files are Images\n nothing more\n Necrogami: so to be sure I'm reading this right\n you have:\n The main file contains all of the linking data for down 1 sq ft\n 12.58M images\n 1 xml file that is 44GB in size\n yep\n bzr can't handle that today; we currently start swapping at 3M versions paths; we will be fixing that.\n kk\n each individual file gets held in memory to commit: 1 copy for the basis, 1 copy for the current version.\n merges need 3 copies\n so you'd need about 150GB of memory to do a commit of that file.\n yeah ow\n I'm surprised any tool can manage that size file well though, xml requires a data shuffle to modify elements\n so my immediate reaction is to suggest ways to shrink that file\n Yeah were in the process of breaking it down to SQL of some sort\n be it oracle or something\n now, versioning a database is still going to be a problem :)\n oh i know\n but breaking down the database by regions is alot easier\n so, we'd like to handle such size files in principle.\n wow\n big file\n oh i know\n there are a number of engineering tasks to complete before we can.\n i'll definately have to stick around...\n mainly writing streaming diff and merge\n Necrogami: You might have better luck breaking each \"record\" of that file into a single file\n any current webapi's for bzr?\n and having an index that lists all the \"records\"\n uh\n i386: 24M paths will be a problem too\n right?\n i386: :)\n ahh :)\n Lifeless.... Every building and item on the map is in the XML\n Necrogami: if you mean web viewers to see the code; yes - there is loggerhead, and bzr webserver\n so record count .. is about 85 Million\n whoa\n Necrogami: sure thats fine; like I said, currently 3M files makes us swap on commonly available hardware\n enjoy :)\n Last time i ran a record counter...\n Yeah\n we often hold the full tree in memory; the next inventory format should take us some way to solving that and only needing to hold modified regions in memory\n Nothing about this game is gonna be \"common\"\n Yeah i just lost a SVN database ...\n so i'm looking around for an alternative\n backups are good :\n :)\n Always .. but not necessarilly easy\n I'm quite surprised svn managed to handle that\n and impressed\n it wasn't handeling the main file\n just all of the images and sub files\n oh :)\n Yeah :-\\\n the first time i tried to load that main file on there\n it segfaulted the box\n rofl\n so i quit there w/ that file\n Dinner time\n lifeless, i tryed changing the default and get a failure in switch tests\n this might be after you last tested it\n nm, enjoy your dinner\n poolie_: ring me if you want to chat aboot it\n New bug: #172741 in bzr \"merge from knit-repo to knit branch: invalid progress bar 0/0\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172741\n morning\n hi mrevell\n on the phone, will be off in a bit\n Hi poolie_\n I have bzr-svn question\n Is it no possible to merge from an svn repo in a normal bzr branch?\n I branched of a vcs-import of a svn-repo, and then tried to merge from the real repository\n which gives me bzr: ERROR: Repository KnitRepository(...) is not compatible with repository SvnRepository(...)\n jdahlin: I think that to be able to merge you should have branched the bzr repo with bzr-svn, branching from a vcs-import doesn't ensure that your bzr branch and the svn repo have a common ancestor\n jdahlin, i think you might need to upgrade to a rich-root repository for the bzr side\n pbor, ah, I take it that the vcs import tool is not creating branches which are compatible with bzr-svn.\n poolie, hmm, how do I do that, and are you sure that would help?\n jdahlin: yeah, that's what I've been told\n * jdahlin prays bzr-svn will survive importing his 4000 revision repository\n hello\n I want to make a svn branch with the bzr-svn plugin but I need to define a http_proxy\n the proxy is defined for the svn command, it works but it doesn't with bzr-svn :-/\n jdahlin: no way, you have to do that in chunks\n nebuchadnezzar, did you try setting the environment variable http_proxy ?\n yes\n it is set\n pbor, I'm 60% done, so almost there\n jdahlin: then you have plenty of ram :)\n pbor, ram usage by that process is also 60%, interestingly :-)\n jdahlin: netstat show me that python send a SYN to the remote web server instead of the proxy\n nebuchadnezzar, iirc urllib is supposed to pickup http_proxy\n I'm not sure what bzr uses for http though\n bzr uses pycurl by default, but this is probably going through the libsvn, so I'm not sure why it would differ to the svn client.\n nebuchadnezzar: have you tried bzr branch svn+http://...?\n james_w: it works\n with svn+https:// the connection is done via the proxy\n hi folks.. probably a simple question but working on a train with limited battery and no internet except cellphone...\n i want to move versioned files from foo to foo/baz\n I tried bzr move foo foo/baz\n and it gave me a exception trace\n which i will email when i can as it asks\n so i did mkdir foo/baz\n mv foo/* foo/baz\n bzr mv foo foo/baz --after\n but it said foo/baz was not versioned (Id moved .bzr too)\n Was this within a tree?\n E.g.\n mkdir foo foo/baz\n bzr add foo\n bzr mv foo foo/baz/\n or moving a tree in its entirety?\n so i moved files back and tried bzr init foo/baz && bzr mv foo foo/baz\n i want to move tree entirely\n if i just move it all including .bzr it thinks files have been deleted\n will i have to move it sideways then down?\n Erm\n So you have dir foo\n and dir foo is a bzr branch?\n you can just rename the dir\n yep\n .bzr doesnt contain any absolute paths?\n no\n nope, it's all relative to where the .bzr is\n hm ok i figured i would have to tell it somehow\n mrevell, can you please make sure to read ian's user guide draft, if you haven't already\n it's on the list\n let me try that again\n hi all :)\n poolie: Thanks for the reminder. I'm working through it now.\n VSpike: http://rafb.net/p/PcjCBE85.html\n sorry..dunno if you saw my last msg\n when i move it bzr status list lots of files as unknown\n if u did i missed ur resp\n VSpike: I offered http://rafb.net/p/PcjCBE85.html\n that was the last bit I said\n jdahlin_: how's your import going?\n AfC, oh\n it broke :-)\n SubversionException: (\"REPORT request failed on '/svn/!svn/vcc/default'\", 175002)\n Gee, I wouldn't have used a smiley for that!\n ah, it was at 90% or so\n how could I not smile?\n let me attempt to do it in steps as pbor suggested\n so the first run is simple, just say, -r 500\n and after that should just be a merge -r 1000\n right pbor?\n yeah... I may have a script I used for gedit\n r=$1\n while [ $r -ne $2 ]; do\n bzr pull -r$r svn+ssh://pborelli@svn.gnome.org/svn/gedit/trunk\n r=$(( $r + 100 ))\n done\n jdahlin_: (can I suggest doing it in steps of 5 or so, to get the technique right first?)\n AfC, too late, but I'll do the 5 revisions in the first merge\n assuming I can branch of the first 500 revisions\n heh\n thanks pbor\n pbor, I tried bzr-svn 6 months ago or so, I had some issues merging back and forth\n pbor, do you know if it's working better these days?\n jdahlin_: I tried it a bit and it worked\n jdahlin_: I gather that it is - although the person who was hacking on it most (jelmer) is now faced with writing bzr-git\n (to be honest I am doing so little dev that I went back to plain svn)\n jdahlin_: make sure to also get the rebase plugin\n cool, bzr-git!\n does that mean that I don't have to use git any longer?\n Hopefully it will someday.\n Roundtripping between dissimilar systems is always going to risk being lossy; I'll be happy with one way import if I can get it.\n pbor, what is the rebase plugin for?\n jdahlin_: suppose you branch from svn at rev 100 and then hack away and commit locally...\n then some commits happen in svn, e.g. the current head revision is 102\n you can rebase your local changes as they were done branching from 102\n I thought I would be able to get these changes by doing another bzr merge?\n and then you can safely push to svn to commit\n Why wouldn't you just merge?\n I guess this allwows to keep th history more linear\n not sure what the practical implications are\n New bug: #172791 in bzr \"bzr merge A B and bzr merge B A produce different sets of conflicts\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172791\n To upgrade from 0.90 is it safe to just run setup.py install or should I remove the 0.90 bzrlib directory first or?\n hmm, and no bzr-svn ubuntu packages for bzr-svn 0.4.4\n New bug: #172794 in bzr-eclipse \"add support for quick diff\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172794\n oh, there is one in hardy. nice.\n lifeless: I am starting to work on mpdiff-based packs. I'll be making iter_files_bytes the underlying content-retrieval mechanism.\n Janzert: should be safe\n AfC: ok, thanks.\n Hi, I just wanted to branch the mainline branch of bzr and got the error message: \"bzr: ERROR: Connection error: curl connection error (problem with the SSL CA cert (path? access rights?))\". What shall I do?\n uh\n mneisen: what command line did you use?\n mwhudson: The right one :-D ... Anayway, case close, I garbled up the URL ... https instead of http. No wonder bzr could not make any sense of it!\n mneisen: well, that's not the correct url then is it :)\n mneisen: glad to hear it's working in any case\n mwhudson: thank you anyway?\n mwhudson: The question mark was unintended.\n mneisen: :)\n heh, here I was wondering why updating bzr.dev was taking so long\n dato: pulling from packs into knits?\n yes\n if you have an older bzr that is *really* slow\n with bzr.dev it is a bit faster\n but it isn't transparently fast\n the best I could do would be `bzr upgrade` in my bzr.dev copy, right?\n dato: well if you only have 1 branch of bzr.dev (no personal ones) I would probably nuke it and start from scratch\n because you should \"bzr reconcile\" before you \"bzr upgrade\"\n ok, thanks; I'll branch from scratch\n Though bzr reconcile should be better than it used to be\n The last time I reconciled, it took about 1hr\n so I'm guessing a fresh pull will be faster for you\n * dato does `rsync -avP --exclude .bzr.backup bazaar-vcs.org::bazaar-ng/bzr/bzr.dev bzr.dev`\n jelmer: hi, are you around for a bzr-svn problem? I'm finally trying to push a bzr branch to svn, but I get this error:\n % b svn-push https://forja.rediris.es/csl2-minirok/trunk/\n bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: \"https://forja.rediris.es/csl2-minirok/trunk/\".\n dato: just as an aside, did you try \"bzr svn-push svn+https://\" ?\n nope, should I?\n ah\n right\n nope, same error\n dato: are you sure you have the right URL, going there in a browser\n gives me a 404\n \"Page not Found\"\n abentley: hi\n dato: it certainly seems difficult for a 404 to be a branch\n especially an svn one\n s/abentley/dato/\n hm\n dato: https://forja.rediris.es/svn/csl2-minirok/\n you need the \"svn/\" in the url\n oops, thanks\n dato: however, there is no 'trunk' either\n though maybe you are creating it?\n yes\n sorry for having you debug this\n I don't know if you can create branches with svn-push\n jelmer: ^^ ?\n yes, afaik\n not with \"push\" alone\n yes, you can - but only with svn-push\n jelmer: svn-push -r 1 should just push one revision, right?\n yep\n uhm\n if -r is supported for svn-push\n it's in the help\n let's see if they've actually enabled the pre-revprop-change\n bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: \".\": MKACTIVITY of '/svn/csl2-minirok/!svn/act/eedb297f-6600-4219-a18b-b62d24fcce9b': authorization failed (https://forja.rediris.es)\n jelmer: is that error sort of known?\n dato: you weren't expecting a permission denied error?\n well\n I guess it makes sense, since it didn't ask for a passwrd\n bug 120768\n Launchpad bug 120768 in subversion \"Should prompt for passwords\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120768\n vila: ping\n jam: pong\n vila: I think you took Robert's code too literally\n I just sent an email\n but: ranges = coalesced[group * max_ranges:group+1 * max_ranges]\n looks like it has a host of problems with it\n I think the real value you want is:\n ranges = coalesced[group:group+max_ranges]\n rhaaa, I knew something simpler was possible ;)\n I don't know how what you had was working\n Unless you only had 1 range\n or maybe 2\n ..and correct too :)\n it worked in the smoke test because no readv required more than 200 ranges\n thanks anyway, fixed, nobody could use that buggy version so far except me, I rarely commit before testing but I'm highly interruptible these days, so...\n jam: did you read the rest of my patch, any comments ?\n vila: did you read my email\n ?\n I tried re-factoring sftp_readv up front, but there was too many unclear small diferrences between sftp and http\n yeah, the off-by one is a killer\n http ranges are inclusive\n I don't remember sftp\n but it is either start+length\n jam: about sftp patch ? Yes replied ;-) off-by-one ? did you send several emails ?\n or start => end non-inclusive\n vila: I sent 2 email\n emails\n ok\n one to your list email\n and one to your patch email\n (from bazaar-commits)\n vila: for the 65536... openssh supports larger ranges\n but the sftp spec\n says they \"must support at least 32k\"\n I believe it says they must support a total request of at least 34k\n including overhead\n paramiko seems to use 32768 anyway in my currently installed version, nvm\n but I looked at the async implementation with a thread... ;-)\n well paramiko uses threads, IIRC\n but bzr itself doesn't\n jelmer: so how should I do it, do a dummy commit with the svn client so that the credentials get stored and bzr can use them?\n dato: yes, that's the only way I'm aware of\n ha, your second email is there\n dato: until I manage to fix upstream svn...\n main problem for the http parser: if we turn it into an iterator to return data as soon as they arrive, there will be no guarantee anymore that the socket is left \"clean\", i.e. no finally statement for the iterator\n I can clean that when the last offset is handled but do I have the guarantee that bzr will always consume all offsets ?\n jam: Since http processing is still synchronous I don't understand your point, more requests means more latency means more clock time.\n vila: well, I'm thinking more polling the socket for more data\n I won't make a strict guarantee that we iterate all of the data, just because if we get an exception we won't pull the rest\n but the fact that we requested it means we want it\n so I don't think we will issue a request and only read 1/2\n in 2.5 you could use a try/finally\n the poor man's version is a try/except/else\n (for 2.4)\n but you aren't guaranteed to have the finally happen if we stop iterating\n vila: for you other statement...\n right now bzr pull http:// *feels* slow\n because we spend a long time buffering a huge request\n a) Not consuming memory may help VM pressure, but that isn't really a primary effect\n b) It will *feel* faster because we can at least spin our little progress bars as we go\n c) you will be able to ^C even with pycurl\n because it isn't buffering 20MB before returning control\n c) hehe, you leave me no surprise to announce ;-)\n a) and b) should be addressed by rewriting the http response parsing\n vila: well the other fix for (c) is to give the pycurl code a python write function\n so that as it gets data, it calls back into python\n which can check for ^C\n jam: I know\n but I'm not sure how well pycurl handles having the callback raise an exception\n I think we could even just have a simple progress callback\n jam: realized it lately, but didn't look at how do it\n and have it still do the buffering internal to pycurl\n regarding exption/iterators, you say that if an exception occurs in the user code, the execption can be seen in the iterator func and a simple except Exception is enough to catch it ?\n vila: no\n just if it happens in the readv code\n in python2.5\n try/finally works\n because when a generator is garbage collected\n it gets an exception\n jelmer: ok, it worked. I'm so happy to have bzr-svn. :-)\n but that construct is *illegal* in python2.4 :*(\n :'(\n hmm. what is the tear smiley?\n I guess Colloquy doesn't have it\n bah, garbage collection is far too late for me, I should clean the http socket before reusing it for another request while in the same time not trying to read too much if it's clean ;-/\n dato: cool :-)\n well, thanks for the explanation, the easy way does not work then\n vila: I'm not talking GC as in python interpreter shutdown\n I mean as soon as it is no longer referenced\n aka, the calling code has had an exception\n vila: I wouldn't try too hard\n I think we will always consume everything\n except when we have an unrecoverable error\n I suppose you could set a flag\n which tells the HTTPTransport whether it is clean\n and set it to false at the beginning of readv()\n and only set it True if you get to the end.\n jam: hmm, not trying too hard and get blamed when the next hhtp request fails :-)\n vila: I'm always happy to blame you\n jam: yeah sure, but just an expect clause is easier and cleaner\n jam: that's a good start ;-)\n \"expect\" or \"except\"\n except of course\n most of my typos occurs because the brain->fingers socket is UDP\n have you ever been checked for Dyslexia ?\n :)\n have you ever been trying to change you keyboard mapping between azert and qwerty hundreds times by day ? ;-)\n vila: I have gone from dvorak to x,dokt\n oh, I mean qwerty :)\n I now use only qwery keyboards but the harm is done ;)\n ,dppw G hslqk vls, ,jak tsf mdal\n Gq.d ld.do jah rosnpdm; ,gkj vdtmar;\n jam: Why'd you decide to go back?\n (I don't know what you mean, I've never had problems with keymaps)\n jelmer: I still use dvorak primarily\n but it is hard to touch type with one hand\n * jelmer has attempted to switch to dvorak a couple of times\n with a baby in the other\n but I just get so annoyed after a couple of days that I switch back\n when you have a qwerty keyboard in dvorak mode\n jelmer: it took me 1 month to get back to real speed\n I had a slow month one time when my wife was away\n jam: There's single-handed dvorak as well :-)\n jelmer: sure, but try getting that on the keyboard :)\n And it is also a left form\n and a right-form\n and the baby goes both ways too\n so I would need keys with dynamic labels\n :-) More keymaps to learn...\n which would be really cool\n some other oddities\n the \"A\" and \"M\" keys don't move\n so it is really easy to switch to the wrong keyboard after typing one\n But Typing Tutor showed my WPM rate to be huge on those keys\n I would be like 10-20 WPM for most keys\n and then Spacebar was about 90\n and A & M were still in the 70 range\n the graph looked pretty funny\n jelmer: I'm pretty happy with dvorak now. And I know Martin uses it, too.\n Vim was the hardest to switch between\n because so many commands just become muscle memory\n rather than \"O\" or \"a\"\n yeah, I've heard from quite a few people that it's really good\n jelmer: I think it'd be best if the changelog of bzr-rebase and bzr-svn would explicitly have a DD adding the DM-foo header, so it's clear it wasn't sneaked or anything. I'll put my name if you don't mind?\n When I switched and started getting *good*\n it felt like I was typing slower\n because my fingers weren't moving as much\n dato: sure, thanks!\n Which I felt was a good sign that it is actually less stressful\n * jelmer just needs to gather the discipline at some point to actually make the switch and not quit halfway through again :-)\n jelmer: well, I would switch back occasionally when I had a long email to write\n did you relabel your keyboard or anything?\n I did not relabel\n but I'm a strong touch typist (now)\n In high-school I always looked at my hands, but eventually I just grew out of it\n not sure exactly when it happened\n but it wasn't a conscious effort\n anyway, not having the keyboards labeled actually worked well for me\n I do have a keyboard with the labels moved around now\n but I couldn't move the \"F\" and \"J\" keys\n because they have the little dots that you put your fingers on\n and I accidentally switched the V and W\n and haven't gone back to fix it.\n (Which is a pretty big issue because ^W is close window, while ^V is paste text)\n not something you want to mix up.\n :-)\n New bug: #172861 in bzr \"add: accepts aliases due to case insensitivity\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172861\n New bug: #172865 in bzr \"commit: fails to detect deletion of aliased file\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172865\n New bug: #172870 in bzr \"'bzr fetch' broken\" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172870\n er\n bzr --no-plugins selftest test_build_and_install\n fails for me on bzr.dev\n oh duh\n ./bzr\n i'm always doing that\n OH GOD\n this is *so* fast\n commiting in bzr.dev with packs\n abentley: should revisiontree have case_sensitive = True somewhere?\n how long should i expect reconciling bzr.dev (with bzr.dev) to take?\n (in a knits repo)\n 16:27 Though bzr reconcile should be better than it used to be\n 16:27 The last time I reconciled, it took about 1hr\n thanks\n the progress bar is doing funny things :)\n mwhudson: it depends a lot on hardware. I don't think I've tested it after Robert's latest improvements\n but just prior to that, my desktop was about 1.5hrs and my laptop was 2-3hrs\n going for 28 minutes here\n and the progress bar is almost all the way across\n for the second time :)\n oh wow, just finished\n so must have been ~30 minutes\n not bad at all\n fooey\n ?\n my upgrade to packs broke\n bzr: ERROR: Revision {('aaron.bentley@utoronto.ca-20070517163555-3i7jamitmffdg85l',)} not present in \"\".\n /home/mwh/src/bzr/bzr.dev/bzrlib/lockable_files.py:110: UserWarning: file group LockableFiles() was not explicitly unlocked\n that isn't good\n is that from a 'bzr check' ?\n mwhudson: how did you get that error?\n \"time ./bzr.dev/bzr upgrade --format=rich-root-pack\"\n so the upgrade itself failed\n yes\n hmm.. rich-root-pack will have to rebuild all of your inventories\n are you sure you don't want pack-0.92 ?\n not really no\n let me try that instead\n It still shouldn't fall over and die\n but we should start with 1 step at a time\n mwhudson: if you have been using bzr-svn in that repository, you probably *have* to use it, though.\n indeed, if this works i can try upgrading again\n ok, so _that_ went rather more smoothly\n well, pack-0.92 just has to do a very simple transformation\n actually, I think it can just shove the inventory data over verbatim\n but for the file data\n it gunzip, split & strip, gzip\n (it strips the annotation lines.)\n oh, is pushing from knits to packs still terrible?\n er\n packs to knits\n mwhudson: not as terrible\n It has to add the texts one by one\n but it doesn't rebuild the whole history of each modified file\n jam: ok\n I'm using it right now\n (my local repos are packs, bound to a knit repo)\n oh, actually this is a fairly big push i'm doing\n morning\n morning igc\n hi jam\n enjoying OSDC?\n excellent\n all finished now\n New bug: #172893 in bzr \"test_lock_permission selftest fails\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172893\n yah, ./bzr.dev/bzr upgrade --format=rich-root-pack fails starting from packs-0.92\n i guess that's a bug or something\n or you might still have inconsistent data, and the plain upgrade to packs doesn't notice\n can you try running 'bzr check'?\n It is probably a bit slower than 'bzr reconcile', though.\n in a bit\n thanks\n mmoin\n actually it fails in 0.3 seconds :)\n oh, partial upgrade\n abentley, when you got a minute, I'd like to have a quick chat with you over this whole XML thing if possible. Seems easier then through the ML\n hi statik\n I'm pulling bzr.dev to my current local knit repo and it's *extremely* slow (I'm at revno 3021 and it's been ~25 minutes and I'm < 10% through)\n is this an expected behaviour due to the change to packs?\n beuno: what revno are you using to pull?\n lifeless, I'm at 3021 and I just did \"bzr pull\"\n beuno: there was a bug where it reannotated too much, which you could be experiencing\n would it be useful if I canceled and debuged somehow, or is it solved?\n beuno: jam recommended me to pull a new fresh branch\n beuno: looks like that is not the case\n beuno: don't stop it\n beuno: look in ~/.bzr.log\n is there http readv log output\n if so, look for 'error...retring with one request' after a large collapsed readv count\n lifeless, yeap\n http readv of a3069b4df97462558e8666ff0cc72386.pack offsets => 14 collapsed 4\n GET: [http://bazaar-vcs.org/bzr/bzr.dev/.bzr/repository/packs/a3069b4df97462558e8666ff0cc72386.pack]\n http readv of a3069b4df97462558e8666ff0cc72386.pack offsets => 15 collapsed 4\n GET: [http://bazaar-vcs.org/bzr/bzr.dev/.bzr/repository/packs/a3069b4df97462558e8666ff0cc72386.pack]\n http readv of a3069b4df97462558e8666ff0cc72386.pack offsets => 14 collapsed 5\n GET: [http://bazaar-vcs.org/bzr/bzr.dev/.bzr/repository/packs/a3069b4df97462558e8666ff0cc72386.pack]\n lots of those\n beuno: so each of those is reading one text\n beuno: then it gets annotated and inserted into your local repo\n lifeless, right, so it's a \"known bug\". Can we make use of this case in anyway, or should I follow dato's suggestion and re-branch?\n beuno: I would reconcile and upgrade to packs, then pull. No need to rebranch\n lifeless, will do, thanks\n jam: ping\n lifeless: pong\n how are you going on the pull bug\n doing okay\n getting sidetracked again because bzr+ssh is taking 6s to copy 2MB on my loopback\n that will be the data stream api sucking on bzr:\n sftp is taking 700ms\n but on my server it is 244ms\n for bzr+ssh\n oh\n push or pull\n and 358ms for sftp\n transport.get_bytes()\n pull\n I don't know if Mac is just really Fubar\n or if we are provoking it\n do you want me to take over the patch then ?\n I'll finish it up\n ok\n just frusttrating to use bound branches\n when every commit is taking > 6s\n because it is loading the remote index\n I'll are they packs?\n remote is still knits\n well then\n I want to test the pack => knit stuff\n packs -> partial indices.\n since it exposed some real issues\n kk\n weird, the Pack=>Pack code isn't being tested by interrepository_implementations\n I'm adding it, since the way you had me set up the test is portable across all repos\n are you sure ?\n (with the rule that you either have to copy the basis text, or you have to fail)\n lifeless: InterPackRepo isn't listed in __init__.py\n I am positive I have test failures within interrepository when I bugger up pack to pack\n jam: which __init__ ?\n hmm... you are using InterRepository._optimizers\n right\n dynamic registration -> tests\n interrepository_implementations/__init__.py\n so that plugins get tested too\n lifeless: I don't think it is working as you expect\n since it wasn't testing that code\n __init__ only lists specific manual combinations where the dynamic stuff isn't sufficient\n until I manually added it\n hmm.. maybe\n I'll take a closer look\n it may have been masked by poolies nuking the default repository format attribute; unlikely but possible; run with -v\n Unfortunately the ids only show you the inter object\n so Knit1 => Knit3 is just InterKnit\n right\n so if -v shows InterPack\n then it thinks its testing it\n but if its not failing, something is masking it.\n you're right\n and it seems like Pack=>Pack is the only thing that fails\n Pack => Knit is file\n fine\n and Knit => Pack is fine\n probably incorrect parameterisation - some aspect of the format isn't actually one that will cause it to match\n (Probably because both use the Knit=>Knit code)\n lifeless: it is present, and it is failing\n I just thought I should see more failures\n jam: good; why did you think it wasn't being tested :)\n Only 1 fail\n I thought it was a Pack => knit\n or knit => pack\n no, they do the dumb recursive-join-of-versioned-files stuff\n remote* uses data streams\n so do we need an inter that goes through Remote ?\n by the way, we use pack_repo.Packer() to do the fetch\n is this going to conflict with your latest revising of that code?\n I suppose I can just review your patch\n and get it merged\n 1366 kiko 15 0 302m 300m 2812 R 6 14.9 0:59.62 bzr\n * kiko tells bzr to stop growing\n kiko: what are you doing? and what version of bzr are you doing it with?\n (reconciling launchpad code with an older version of bzr is not recommended)\n jam: just a bzr branch\n from/to ?\n (that said, at the moment, if you are using http we will buffer all requests before processing them.)\n jam: there are two\n jam: two and from\n jam: my reconcile patch contains most of the code you need.\n I'm trying to review your \"trivial syntax error\"\n kiko: what version of bzr ?\n which I think is your reconcile patch\n jam: yes; see the prior email for the cover text\n Bazaar (bzr) 0.91.0\n jam: a local branch of launchpad from a local rsynced launchpad\n no repo\n kiko: use bzr.dev; I think you'll find its a lot more efficient on memory\n lifeless: it is a little bit hard to track down what actually changed versus what is just mechanical\n since you split the functions up\n I can certainly check ReconcilePacker directly\n but any hints for just plain Packer ?\n oh\n so, in plan Packer there are no changes, just shuffling\n there is one new method in Packer, which is useful to you\n but not actually called\n thats the external_text_references method\n it might be better on Pack actually; still - its the thing you need to determine what external texts you need to reconstruct all the texts in the pack\n lifeless: \"external_compression_parents_of_new_texts\" ?\n yes\n e.g. for the scenario we cooked up\n yeah\n rev B file id F deltas against rev A file id F\n that should return [(F,A)]\n lifeless, where does bzr.dev live\n then you can do present_external_keys = list(self._pack_collection.text_index.combined_index.iter_entries([(F,A)]))\n if len(present_external_keys) != len([(F,A)]):\n error here\n kiko: http://bazaar-vcs.org/bzr/bzr.dev, or lp:bzr\n lifeless, and debs?\n we don't currently build debs of bzr.dev\n ah, I see\n kiko: you know you can run from source trivially -\n yeah, I know\n lifeless, I reconciled and did: \"bzr upgrade --format=knitpacks-experimental\", and it's still taking forever to pull with the same feedback in ~/.bzr.log. What could I have done wrong?\n beuno: do you have a shared repository? did you actually upgrade the repo and not just a branch?\n bzr info will tell you\n lifeless, aaaaah, yes, shared repo\n that might be it\n doing the same with the shared repo\n hi jrydberg\n * igc breakfast\n morning\n hello again\n upgrading to packs\n and I'm getting this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46275/\n (the shared repo has already been reconciled and upgraded)\n well, it seems the reconcile is seeing nothing to do\n but I don't know why it is trying to remove the un-added pack from the memory index\n beuno: so (a) the error is \"harmless\" your data is good\n (b) I'm guessing Robert's new code (which I'm reviewing now) is going to change all of this anyway\n beuno: what version of bzr are you doing that with ?\n beuno: oh, yes. you can't reconcile packs without my patch\n hhi poolie\n poolie: I've changed the deefault; patch up for review\n ok, thanks\n poolie: I'm working on 165106 now\n bug #165106\n Launchpad bug 165106 in bzr \"check that get_data_stream distinguishes annotated and unannotated knits\" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165106\n nearly done\n i didn'tread the reconcile patch now, but will soon\n lifeless, latest bzr.dev\n freshly pulled\n lifeless: generally it seems good\n lifeless, it's actually a knit branch with a shared-repo with packs\n There are a couple confusing things which should probably be documented\n and a small bug in some error handling code\n lifeless: and I would like to build on your patch, but I think I can do it without any cleanups\n jam: feel free to +1, then merge it into yours and build on it and cleanup at the same time :)\n jam: no point serialising your fixes to me then me deserialising and doing\n jam: unless its easier for you\n lifeless: as long as you are okay with my comments\n I've already bb:tweak ed it\n ref-keys is missing_texts\n I'm planning on merging your code into my branch\n k\n it should be fine as is\n for what I need\n so your comments and questions are good\n this is unannotated so the ordering stuff is moot\n other than \"locality of reference\" but sure\n yah\n but this is meant to be rare\n the _use_pack stuff looks correct to me; its a little redundant is what I think you are saying\n lifeless: correct\n the knitversionedfile index stuff I'll write up for you\n but also I meant to point out you could check the indexes there\n well we don't want to have to compare 10's of thousands of keys\n better to set a flag when we notice a problem\n and not all issues will show up in the indices\n lifeless, did you fix the switch thing implicitly to change the format?\n i think there were no other failure\n s\n poolie: I fixed the switch thing yes\n part of the same patch\n lifeless, spiv, igc, jam: one minute to call\n sure\n spiv: have you looked at my comment on bug #172701 ?\n Launchpad bug 172701 in bzr \"Large readv requests can fail if there is a squid proxy\" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172701\n vila: Thanks; I just saw it.\n vila: I'll try again with pycurl.VERBOSE. Also I'll try capturing the actual HTTP requests/responses involved, both before and after the proxy.\n vila: I knew spiv had a proxy\n vila: I was doing divide and conquer\n lifeless: oh, I hoped you had an insight...\n vila: in case it helps, my proxy is an intercepting proxy (i.e. the client thinks it is connecting to port 80 of bazaar-vcs.org, but it actually connects to squid).\n lifeless: you wanted to figure out which software of yours to blame? ;)\n hehe\n spiv: anyway, there is a bug here since we should have catched the short read and issued another request (the new implementation will catch it, but I want to to give a try to read-as-we-receive before submtting)\n good night all, kudos for the hard work of the last days\n#bzr 2007-11-30\n Anyone who knows bzrlib.commit here?\n I decided to take a stab at bug 172612 (change the first line of commit's output to say \"Committing to: \" instead of 'Committing revision N to \"\"'), but I ran into something: the location passed to NullCommitReporter and friends is optional. Is it ever actually not given? In Commit, it's either self.master_branch.base or self.branch.base. Are those ever None?\n Launchpad bug 172612 in bzr \"new commit is overly verbose\" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172612\n I changed it to throw an assertion if it's not given and ran the testsuite (well, at least the commit part of it) and it never failed.\n a lightweight checkout grabs the repo withou the history correct?\n Admiral_Chicago, right\n Peng, that sounds reasonable then\n though if it's just for the message, maybe it'd be better to handle it not being passed\n poolie: is there a way to grab the history after I do a lightweight checkout?\n poolie: Yeah. I'm wondering what the message should say then, though. It used to just say \"Committing revision N\", but now it would say, what, \"Committing\"? Nothing?\n * Admiral_Chicago waves to jam\n Admiral_Chicago, i would think 'reconfigure --checkout' but i'm not usre\n maybe just 'committing'\n but i can't think of a good case where we wouldn't know the location\n poolie: In the current code, it's either self.master_branch.base or self.branch.base (depending on if it's a checkout or not). Is it possible for those to be None?\n okay thanks, I'll look at the man page, perhaps that has some info\n Peng, i suggest you just post a patch with the assertion in\n poolie: Really? Okay.\n easier to look at it in the actual text\n don't forget [merge][#172612] in the subject\n poolie: use commit --fixes too?\n yes, --fixes lp:172612\n poolie: Update NEWS, you think?\n yes, as a bug fix\n 'kay.\n * Peng is reading the mailing list thread on this.\n Peng: branch.base will never be None\n it is the URL to that branch\n (and we have to have a location to have a branch)\n *however*\n I think the =None is there\n to support people who might have been using that api\n before the location was required\n It is unlikely that there are many people doing it\n Well, Daniel Watkins only added .started() in that patch. It's been required from the moment it was added.\n well, obviously for some reason he wanted the ability to pass None...\n Isn't Daniel Watkins Odd_Bloke ?\n (maybe that will summon him :)\n * Odd_Bloke appears from his lamp.\n Odd_Bloke: any reason why you wanted location=None?\n If the other hooks in CommitReporter use it, then it's probably because I just used one of those as a model.\n Hmm.\n So it's probably a case of YAGNI.\n As of now, none of the other commit reporter methods take a location.\n OK, I'll have to have a look at the code in the hopes it'll remind me. :p\n jam, i commented on the get_ancestry patch\n Hell, Smallville is on, and it's a repeat, but I missed the first 15 minutes of this episode last time. BRB.\n is there anything else you'd like tonight?\n poolie: I saw that... so what is your feeling for bzr.dev versus 1.0?\n btw you didn't mark that as [merge]\n I really think it should be in 1.0\n i think just put it in both\n me too\n and when we fix it to avoid that call, great\n (robert's just at the station, going to meet him)\n I do understand Robert's point about wanting to provoke the devs and the community into fixing the real issues\n (not going through all of history)\n Peng: AFAICT, the 'location=None' part is an artefact from when I refactored the location notification from the 'completed' hook to the 'started' hook. As the completed hook already existed, I had to add an extra parameter to avoid breaking the API and this got carried over, unnecessarily, to 'started'.\n Odd_Bloke: Oh.\n Hmm. Is making it non-optional worth an unannounced API break?\n Or deprecation warning?\n Or just an ugly workaround? :P\n Is it possible to deprecate an argument?\n Well, deprecate the optionalness of an arg.\n Peng: sure\n Peng: if the argument is not passed, do warnings.warn(..., DeprecationWarning). There may be a fancy decorator somewhere too.\n I don't see a fancy decorator in symbol_versioning.\n I see an FIXME from 2006 about adding one.\n (*January* 2006)\n Heh.\n Smallville's back. BRB.\n So, before I come back, what should I do? Deprecate it? Break API compatibility since it's minor?\n Also, if I do deprecate it, how would I do that? I mean, what message should I use? \"location must be passed\"? And then how do I tie that into symbol_versioning?\n Peng: you *could* do something like:\n if location is None:\n symbol_versioning.warn('As of bzr 0.93 you must pass a location to starting')\n jam: Do you know whether lp already uses --fixes lp:... in some way?\n jelmer: afaik it does not use it yet\n poolie: ^^ ?\n I don't see an open bug against launchpad-bazaar about it either >-)\n Yet another question about my one-line code change: In NEWS, it should go under improvements, right?\n Peng: since it has a bug associated with it\n I always put it under bugfix\n it is a bit grey, though\n There's one thing in the improvements section that does have a bug.\n so you can put it under improvements if you prefer\n Oops. commit.py imported symbol_versioning but didn't use it at all.\n New bug: #172970 in bzr \"packs regression: 'bzr pull ../other'\" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172970\n Ooh, I just thought of something. I should deprecate it in the base class too, right? Just copy and paste the warning?\n spiv, hi\n When there's a base class that's, you know, all empty and NotImplemented, and I deprecate something, do I deprecate it in the base class and the, err, child class too?\n poolie: hello\n Peng, you should deprecate every concrete implementation\n poolie: What's that mean?\n because python doesn't inherit the decorators or now about deprecation itself\n what i mean is\n if there's a method in the base class that just says raise NotImplemented\n Actually, it says \"pass\", but yeah.\n then just add something to the docstring about it being deprecated\n oh, in that case people may actually call it\n and i'd say you should add @deprecated_method\n It's a deprecated argument so I call warn() myself inside it. So just add that?\n s/add/copy and paste/\n Oh! NullCommitReporter is used with --quiet.\n spiv, i meant to ask, how's bug 164626\n Launchpad bug 164626 in bzr \"branching from hpss doesn't preserve repository format\" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164626\n jam, hi?\n poolie: hi\n poolie: are there any plans for launchpad to recognize and use --fixes lp:# ?\n poolie: hi, btw :-)\n poolie: (for example, automatically change bug status to \"fixcommitted\" and point at the branch that contains the revision with the bug marked as fixed)\n jelmer, that's jml's department\n jam, hi, i was wondering about bug 165290\n Launchpad bug 165290 in bzr \"packs do not check for missing compression parents\" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165290\n did you say you had a patch for it?\n poolie: ah, thanks - I'll ask him\n poolie: I'm close to having a patch for it\n poolie: just composing the email with the merge directive.\n cool\n but I wanted to merge in Robert's reconcile patch\n cool!\n yay\n and to do that\n I had to create a separate branch\n because his submission was a cherrypick\n jelmer, or you could ask thumper\n which means that I ran into bug 172970\n Launchpad bug 172970 in bzr \"packs regression: 'bzr pull ../other'\" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172970\n (i can call spirits from the vasty deep)\n which means that instead I'm focusing on the buffering patches\n so that I can at least have a bzr that doesn't take 30s to complete a simple operation\n jelmer, i *think* at the moment it creates a link between the bug and the branch\n but it may not\n jelmer, thumper should still be awake so i expect he'll be back soon\n poolie: from what I've seen, if you use a commit message of \"bug #XXXX\" it will show you a bug link in the revision view\n poolie: thanks, I'll check back tomorrow though\n well past 3 AM here\n (code.lp.net/~user/project/branch/\n Odd_Bloke: Mind if I quote your explanation of location=None in a mailing list message?\n oh that too\n Wow. If this patch is an example of my usual productivity, I can produce about 2 lines of code an hour. :P\n And I ask about 10 questions per LOC.\n Well, I remember years ago seeing the stat than an average programmer produces 10 good LOC a day, so I guess that means you get to go home after only 5 hours :p\n Hmm, thunder and rain.\n poolie: sent.\n * spiv -> lunch\n Peng: That's fine.\n Thanks.\n Question #39 of the night, where do I put a deprecation of something in NullCommitReporter in NEWS? API breaks?\n * poolie reads spiv's patch\n Peng, yes\n Oops. I uncommitted and rewrote the commit message and patch so much that it triggered a repack.\n :)\n jam: have a good friday\n thanks\n have a fun weekend\n jam: I'm off now, and if I've done ~8 hours, I know you have too :)\n I shall, its slug night shortly\n and we're tryin out Twilight Imperium tomorrow\n jam: have a good weekend too\n sounds like a good time\n lifeless: quick question\n does get_graph().is_ancestor() answer True\n if the candidate is the NULL_REVISION?\n I guess I can just test it\n I'd have to try to tell you\n New bug: #172975 in bzr \"bzr log slower with packs\" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172975\n I think it will say True\n lifeless: it does say true, but it takes it a while to get there (since it traverses all of history)\n so I'll leave the shortcut in for now\n I was going to just deprecate the function entirely since only merge uses it\n ah\n get_heads() is usually more useful anyhow I think\n lifeless: merge needs to know to know whether it can set a pending merge\n or whether it was a cherrypick\n I'm off; if you need to talk about something I can be reached on mobile\n k\n spiv, so did you read my review comments?\n how's it going tonight?\n Funny Randomness do you use bzr to version control bzr?\n Necrogami: We do indeed.\n* i386 changed the topic of #bzr to: Not a automato\n Bzr is funded by Mark Shuttleworth?\n yes\n spiv, did you read my review? are you ok to merge it?\n Necrogami: Bazaar is \"sponsored\" by Mark Shuttleworth's company, Canonical.\n * Peng points in the direction of the website.\n ....\n Is it just me, or does this channel have a useless topic?\n /topic, I mean.\n Oh. That just happened.\n Yeah, I was just noticing that...\n* poolie changed the topic of #bzr to: Bazaar version control system | http://bazaar-vcs.org\n* poolie changed the topic of #bzr to: Bazaar version control system | http://bazaar-vcs.org/\n* fullermd changed the topic of #bzr to: The Bazaar Version Control System | http://bazaar-vcs.org/ | Bazaar 0.92 is out - http://bazaar-vcs.org/Download | Please complete the Bazaar User Survey - http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=L94RvLswhKdktrxiHWiX3g_3d_3d\n (last I have in my logs...)\n jam, you didn't attach a patch to your mail about get_revision_graph\n hmm.. ok\n Yeah, that's the most recent topic.\n (Unless someone changed it during a netsplit.)\n poolie: I seem to have an attachment, but it may be 0 length\n I hit send too soon\n Aww, you threw out the first month of bzr.dev's history when converting it to bzr, didn't you? :(\n Peng, when it was stored in Baz?\n poolie: I think so.\n First log message is \"import from baz patch-364\"\n jam, i'm going to make a tarball soon\n i think i'll at least merge your index fix to the 1.0 branch\n if you're free, maybe you could look at http://bundlebuggy.aaronbentley.com/request/%3C1196392148.32300.468.camel@lifeless-64%3E\n poolie: ping\n jam: How did you get directory listings on bzr.arbash-meinel.com to show the .bzr directory?\n Peng: IndexIgnore .????* *~ *# HEADER* README* RCS CVS *,v *,t\n The default is \".*\"\n which ignores everything starting with a '.'\n I changed it\n to ignore only those that are longer than '.bzr'\n A bit of a cheap hack\n but it worked\n It will also show .svn\n or\n .hid\n .foo\n etc\n but not\n .long\n spiv, hi\n poolie: you'd like me to review Robert's fix for 165304?\n thanks, yes\n jam: One has to have access to httpd.conf to do that, right?\n Peng: that is where I do it\n poolie, spiv: I'm reviewing it right now\n but you are welcome to review it too\n jam: ok, I'll do that. I'm interested in this code anyway :)\n (plus I've already started ;)\n spiv: i finished\n jam: I don't know of a way to un-ignore something from a .htaccess. Shoot. I should get a VPS.\n my apache-fu is generally look at the docs, and try something, reboot and see if it works\n repeat until desired effect is reached\n Peng, according to the docs there does not seem to be a way to reset it\n I've always found it to be a bit of voodoo\n if it's set at a higher level\n especially when a trailing '/' matters and when it doesn't\n and when you are working in URL space\n versus when you are in \"disk\" space\n etc\n Heh.\n Lighttpd anyone? :P\n poolie: Mm-hmm.\n poolie: ping\n poolie: I'm just pushing the latest User Guide work to my public branch right now\n I'll be submitting it to pqm in minutes\n ok\n you'll need to send a merge to the 1.0 branch too...\n IBM Hash Suffix Array Delta Compression: http://alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/hsadelta?open&S_TACT=105AGX59&S_CMP=GRsite-lnxw02a&ca=dgr-lnxw02aawhsadelta\n poolie: public branch is http://people.ubuntu.com/~ianc/bzr/ianc-integration\n submitted to pqm now\n night all\n spiv, could you try fixing the insert_data_stream review comments?\n poolie: I'll give it a stab.\n thanks\n i wonder if IBM use's that in ther VCS\n IBM has a VCS?\n Peng: http://www-306.ibm.com/software/awdtools/clearcase/\n Oh, ClearCase.\n Doesn't that suck?\n spiv, thanks for the bug 164626 patch\n Launchpad bug 164626 in bzr \"branching from hpss doesn't preserve repository format\" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164626\n can you please either also merge it to bzr.1.0, or tell me a url i can merge your fixed version from?\n * Peng wanders off.\n The default RAM size for the tool based on that algorithm is 200 MB. Not exactly great for a VCS.\n ?\n poolie: IBM's delta algorithm. http://alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/hsadelta?open&S_TACT=105AGX59&S_CMP=GRsite-lnxw02a&ca=dgr-lnxw02aawhsadelta\n poolie: ok, just pushing up now so I can submit to pqm.\n poolie: Did you miss anything when you disconnected? igc linked to http://people.ubuntu.com/~ianc/bzr/ianc-integration\n * Peng wanders off.\n oh thanks for that\n http://people.ubuntu.com/~ianc/bzr/ianc-integration/ <--- Empty Folder\n actually no, just a branch with no working tree\n heh\n Necrogami: look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~ianc/bzr/ianc-integration/.bzr ;)\n Necrogami: or try \"bzr info http://people.ubuntu.com/~ianc/bzr/ianc-integration/\"\n heh\n don't have bzr installed\n :-\\\n if i ran my repo in bzr\n it'd kill a system\n are you the guy with the 50GB file?\n yep\n 44gb~ but close enough\n heh\n We started killing that thing today\n well, i guess in ~6 years we'll have that much mem on our laptops\n lol\n but yeah we started working on converting the XML to a SQLite database for temp storage and transfer\n Don't let me kill the channel heh\n spiv, https://edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+milestone/1.0alpha1\n spiv, oh, right, the other problem was bug 165290\n Launchpad bug 165290 in bzr \"packs do not check for missing compression parents\" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165290\n i think john didn't get to finish it today\n after i've looked over the list, i'll see how he got along in that branch\n Ok.\n BB seems to be down...\n poolie: often around this hours\n oh, really\n i wonder why\n a db cron job maybe\n gah :-\\ i really need to figure out how i'm going to lay out my db structure\n x = 100705 Miles y= 125 miles ~.~\n spiv, ok, i can see john seems to have most of a test and implementation for bug 165290\n Launchpad bug 165290 in bzr \"packs do not check for missing compression parents\" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165290\n but, the thing thta should trap it is not actually reached....\n poolie: ok, I think I've dealt with all the review comments.\n poolie: I'm just rerunning tests to make sure I didn't break anything.\n yay\n i'm making some progress on bug 165290\n Launchpad bug 165290 in bzr \"packs do not check for missing compression parents\" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165290\n poolie: I've sent a reply to John's review with a diff attached.\n poolie: there was one part I didn't feel confident that I could address with Robert, but I also don't think it's show-stopper for merge. So I think with my patch it's ok to merge.\n s/with/without/\n (Sometimes it's too easy to accidentally say the opposite of what you meant!)\n * poolie reads\n s/thunk_flay/thunk_flag\n Oops.\n My firewall system is called flay, so it's an easy typo for me to make :)\n np\n after anything in particular?\n The naming scheme is characters from Gormenghast (Mary's idea).\n that looks like a reasonable response to the comments\n could you send it in please?\n Gladly.\n poolie: did you get feedback for next bzr sprint yet ? Sry to bother you but some decision on the dates mainly will help me planning.\n And my previous branch merged to bzr.dev successfully too, excellent.\n spiv: if you can provide me your squid config I may be able to reproduce your problem too\n vila, no more than what's on the list\n but it'll probably finish prior to march 13\n poolie: ok, I'll take that bet then and plan accordingly, thks\n do those dates work for you?\n vila: it's a fairly standard config AIUI, but I'll send you my squid.conf by email.\n spiv: thanks\n i'm going to slip 165290 and make an rc now\n poolie: march 3th to march 10th was planned for reworking kitchen plumbing, but we can postpone that to April.\n with andrew's change\n poolie: I only landed my fix for 164626 to bzr.dev btw; so if you haven't already could you put it in the 1.0 branch?\n yes, i'm merging trunk\n Great, just double-checking :)\n An rc? Wasn't the last release like 2 days ago?\n And aren't packs still not in great shape?\n they're in good enough shape that getting some more exposure and testing will be useful\n gah\n again, failure because assertions are not run on pqm\n i don't think the balance there is quite right\n Well, at least things aren't entirely broken now, they're just sometimes really slow. But when there's active work being done on that situation, why not wait another few days?\n the short answer is, because mark asked us to make a test release today\n Heh.\n I didn't know he was so involved with bzr.\n Well pretend your e-mail's down and wait a few days. :P\n Peng: It's only an RC. You ever tried running an early kernel RC? :p\n I think the RC is welcome. it has been a tough job and it's a refreshing thing to do. it lays the work for a solid Xmas gift as well. :P\n New bug: #173002 in bzr \"Branching from hpss doesn't preserve non-repository formats\" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173002\n Usually there are only about 2 new NEWS entries between an rc and release. That makes me feel like they're release-quality, but you just want to be safe. Here, you're not going to lose data or anything, but it's intended for testing, not end users. I don't like that being called an rc.\n When was the last time there was an entirely new repo format?\n (Well, not 100% new. Packs are still knits inside.)\n peng, there will be a small delta between the last rc and the final\n Aren't there half a dozen commands that are seriously slower?\n Might it be worth releasing the first one as an alpha (as it's marked on LP)?\n people thought that alpha seemed too low\n Beta?\n guys, at this point i just want to do the release\n Gamma? :D\n and we can assess what to do from there\n * spiv is done for the day\n me too\n i've uploaded a tarball\n am composing a mail\n* poolie changed the topic of #bzr to: Bazaar Version Control System | http://bazaar-vcs.org/ | please test http://bazaar-vcs.org/releases/src/bzr-1.0rc1.tar.gz\n Hey, what? Why is my shared repo empty and everything is in the branch?\n Argh, and do to the server's process nazi, 'bzr branch' into another branch got killed.\n New bug: #173007 in bzr \"SIGQUIT debugging breaks http networking\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173007\n New bug: #173010 in bzr \"initial branch over http: can show no ui activity for a very long time\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173010\n wow, bzr.dev get http://bazaar-vcs.org/bzr/bzr.dev is a \"bit\" faster than bzr.dev get http://bazaar-vcs.org/bzr/bzr.dev.knits\n oh, I guess I'll package the rc for Debian.\n siretart: ^\n siretart: also, I guess it'd be appropriate for a NEWS.Debian entry warning that the default format has changed, and that created branches will be not operable with bzr < 0.92 ?\n great; again we still have paramiko 1.6 in Debian.\n dato: that would indeed be appropriate.\n \\o/ bzr has migrated to testing :)\n ok.\n I think I'll also notify the paramiko maintainer for my intenton to NMU.\n Mildly interesting: sizes of packs of 500 top-level revisions of bzr.dev (as in 1-500, 501-1000, etc.): http://paste.pocoo.org/show/13197/\n (I'm not sure about the first 40 KB one.)\n vila, poolie: I have no idea why BB would go down around 2:00 am my time.\n abentley: do you want a report each time I encounter a firefox timeout so that you can check the logs ?\n not a big concern for me but if that can help you..\n Yikes, UnicodeDecodeError traceback in uncommit.\n Well, at this point, BB is slow on the first request generally.\n I think it has to swap back into memory or something.\n Mine is a pretty hurtin' virtual server.\n If it actually times out rather than being slow, I guess I'd like to hear about that.\n abentley: I was seeing various database errors (database is locked, and some sort of OperationError as well IIRC) rather than timeouts.\n abentley: part of the problem is that it's so immensely useful that even short glitches are very noticeable :)\n * spiv -> zzz\n abentley: indeed, I just connected it was very slow, close to some timeout somewhere, that may be that, I'll try to watch that more closely, I'm used to not use it early in the morning though ;-)\n Hi, my name is Jens-Heiner Rechtien and I'm the SCM guy for OpenOffice.org. We are currently seriously evaluating a new SCM system for replacing our old CVS repository. We've got 7 years of CVS history, some 11 GBytes of it code related, so yes, it's huge. I'm currently trying to setup a bzr+ssh server, can someone point me to some infos about it? I've read the spec on the Wiki page.\n bzr+ssh is trivial. Just install bzr.\n Okay, not helpful, since that's not just what you meant. Sorry.\n Peng: Well, Python segfaulted for me\n Ouch. Doing what?\n Peng: bzr -serve segfaulted when I accessed the repository\n Peng: But I'll figure it out if you say me that bzr -serve is supposed to ve working\n Peng: I found that the docu is not very clear about the status\n blauwal: I think you mean \"bzr serve\"?\n Another problem I have is the import. Our CVS repsitory is not *that* clean\n yes\n blauwal: look at cvs-import and summon jam here (fullermd may be helpful too)\n jam: alive?\n Another problem I have is the import. Our CVS repsitory is not *that* clean, but I managed a full history import in SVN. Now I thought it might be asier to import from subversion and yes it works, but svnbzr is so slow that after week it read only 15000 of 500000 revisions\n blauwal: jam has done big imports before, in particular of the mozilla cvs tree\n blauwal: svn2bzr of bzr-svn ?\n svn2bzr\n I've yet to try out bzr-svn\n because it requires subversion 1.5 bindings\n blauwal: is your tree available publicly?\n Yes\n blauwal: bzr-svn is reputedly superior to svn2bzr and there you should summon jelmer (which may too shy to say that ;-)\n I've never tried bzr-svn on anything > 100000 revisions, so I'd be happy to try it on your repository and fix any scalability issues\n blauwal: is this 500k revisions in a single branch or across multiple branches?\n jelmer: Multiple branches\n We've got some 500 libe branches and 5000 dead ones.\n The dead ones were already excluded\n The subversion repository is about 55GBytes huge\n s/libe/life/\n whoa\n I've written a page with detail, I'm looking it up, mom\n http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/SCM_Migration\n jelmer: svnsyncing via http is reported to be slow :)\n jelmer: I've got an 11 GBytes bzipped dump which I yould provide if you want to try you tool on it\n blauwal: I'll try bzr-svn on an individual branch first\n blauwal: no need to import the whole repository\n jelmer: great. I would suppose the .../svn/tags/OpenOffice_2_3_0 tagged version or the trunk version, they represent the current size of OpenOffice.org\n blauwal: thanks, I'll give that a try\n jelmer: I would be very interested how it works. You can reach me via hr @ openoffice.org\n This isn't related to Bazaar, but is there some sort of etiquette when registering a branch of someone else's project on Launchpad? As long as I file bugs too, is it okay?\n Jeepers, 1400 testbzrxxx.log files in /tmp.\n Peng: launchpad keeps track of both author and registrant\n from what I've seen, it's ok to register any branch\n I know how Launchpad works. I was just wondering if there was general etiquette.\n was I summoned this morning?\n jam: yep, see ^^\n blauwal: I think we've spoken a bit before (actually on the phone)\n the thing I was waiting on was some time to hack on cvsps-import so that it could do merge commits\n jam: Yes. I'm doing the OOo SCM stuff\n since OOo has special tags for that\n (recording that a branch was merged)\n CVS natively doesn't support any of that\n jam: Yes, we are doing all sorts of nasty stuff\n unfortunately, this is getting close to bzr-1.0 release, so I've been using all my cycles for that\n I would be happy to give some pointers, etc if you want\n jam: moving tags, even branches, partial tags and branches etc\n jam: my most urgent problem is to create an import with history so we can start compare apples with apples\n jelmer: would you have any time to try an SVN conversion?\n It probably won't have the merges I wanted to add\n to cvsps-import\n but it would at least give linear histories\n jam: All my efforts have failed up to now :-(, cvsps bombs out, and svn2bzr (on an already migrated subversion repository is way to slow=\n blauwal: that is after the cleanup we discussed, right?\n jam: yes\n (your script which renames the directories, and deletes old stuff)\n yes\n blauwal: have you had any chance to try the cvsps patch from kenny\n (i think it was kenny)\n jam: I've received the patch but did not try it out. Next thing I'll do.\n jam: kendy (Jan)\n ah, right\n jam: I'll have a look at trying bzr-svn on the repository and fixing any performance issues in bzr-svn I come across\n jam: One other thing I noted was that doing a full local branch on a simple minded flat imported OpenOffice_2_3_0 repository (some 70000 files) is quit slow. Maybe I'm doing something wrong\n blauwal: 2 things\n a) You should be using a shared repository\n jam: I did\n b) you might try packs\n however, if it is time spent in build_tree\n blauwal: ok\n b) packs? Ok I don't know what packs are ...\n (b) bzr upgrade --pack-0.92\n That could take a while.\n It is a different repository format\n Heh heh, run reconcile too!\n Peng: on anything created post bzr 0.92 you don't need reconcile\n jam: I'll try it.\n it was pre 0.92 that had small issues about the file graph.s\n blauwal: what bzr are you using?\n (bzr --version)\n 1.0rc1 is just released\n which has some pretty big improvements for packs\n (sometimes it is hard to remember where things were at a couple months ago, since we have been actively releasing ~ every month)\n jam: I used 0.92. No problem upgrading to 1.0rc1\n jam: OK, just that I do the things right. Let's say I want to reimport OOo 2.3.0 without history. I fo\n I do\n 1) bzr init-repos --no-trees bzr\n 2) bzr init bzr/trunk\n (i think it is 'bzr init-repo' but yes)\n (and if you want to try packs from the start you can do \"bzr init-repo --pack-0.92\")\n 3) bzr checkout --lightweight bzr/trunk trunk.dev\n ah ok\n 4) add and commit all files\n but yes, that sounds correct for starting a new tree with 0 history.\n then, to test the time to do a local branch\n time bzr branch bzr/trunk my.test.branch\n jam: Yes. Branching took 48min even a single history revision\n jam: but I'll try out packs\n blauwal: what did you do for \"branching\" ?\n what was the command?\n (bzr branch bzr/trunk bzr/olderbranch) ?\n jam: no bzr branch bzr/trunk mybranch\n I also tried out checkout and checkout --lightweight, there were no big differences (no wonder since there isn't really a history in there)\n blauwal: that is branching *out* of the shared repository\n which is causing it to copy all of the history\n if you did\n bzr branch bzr/trunk bzr/mybranch\n it would have been a lot faster\n packs *do* help on the branching to a new repository\n as they have fewer files to touch\n jam: Yes. I know. The equivalent of \"git clone\"\n blauwal: we provide shared repositories as a way to avoid the copying you need with git clone\n jam: Yes, but I was trying to simulate here a developer cloning from a central server\n ko\n ok\n jam: not just creating a new branch inside the shared respository\n sure\n I'm writing a NEWS entry for this upload of bzr to debian; I'll give a paste line for comments, but I have one question:\n I did this \"git clone\" stuff on exact the same amount of data on the same machine and it took 4min instead of 48min\n in a shared repository with branches, one has to run `bzr reconcile; bzr upgrade` in the top level directory (the repository), in the branches, or in both?\n but, I'll redo it again with packs\n dato: just the top level, iirc\n that's what I thought\n but I read vila say otherwise in the mailing list, I think\n ah, maybe not\n robert> To upgrade, please reconcile your repository (``bzr\n robert> reconcile``),\n I'm pretty sure many shared repositories users will update their\n branches only. I think we should be more explicit:\n reconcile your branches and/or your shared repositories\n hmm... I would have thought reconciling a branch in a repo would reconcile the shared repo.\n jam: it doesn't last time I did it (this week IIRC)\n so, branches inside a shared repo need a reconcile+upgrade or not?\n Branches do need an upgrade.\n All it upgrades is the minor metadata, but it's still something. dirstate didn't have branch.conf.\n who converted bzr.dev repo to packs? i cant merge\n Peng: and? can't pack repositories work with branch5 format?\n dato: Well, they don't *need* it. But if you're already upgrading the repo, why not?\n Peng: they don't *need* an upgrade, but I would recommend it\n Branch5 works fine in a packs repository\n Branch6 just is a bit more trim\n (doesn't store the full mainline on disk)\n ok, thanks.\n comments welcome: http://dpaste.com/26320/\n hsn_: use http://bazaar-vcs.org/bzr/bzr.dev.knits\n hsn_: it should by sync'd from the other repo every hour\n vila: is it that the 'reconcile' doesn't effect the repo, or the 'bzr upgrade' ?\n I would think reconcile would always do the repo, but upgrade may not upgrade something not in the current dir\n but I realize that may or may not always be the case.\n Yeah, upgrade won't upgrade branches.\n jam: I don't remember ;-)\n Peng: upgrade at the repository level doesn't recurse and upgrade the branches\n I was wondering about the reverse\n does upgrade in a branch\n upgrade the repository\n dato: your text sounds ok, but I'm guessing that you only need to run reconcile on the repository\n and upgrading the repository will give you packs\n upgrading the branches will give a slightly better branch format\n jam: reconcile on the repository, yes; but isn't it also needed for branches which are outside a shared repo (since they contain a repository)?\n dato: outside a shared repository, yes\n I don't know that your text made that clear\n and I wouldn't really want to force people to run \"bzr reconcile\" 200 times for each branch inside a shared repo.\n oh, you're right on that\n but I don't want to make the explanation too complex\n jam: Oh.\n jam: hmmm. I have a knit shared repo with branch6 format branches. if I run `upgrade` in the branches, it complains:\n bzr: ERROR: The branch format Bazaar-NG meta directory, format 1 is already at the most recent format.\n is that expected?\n dato: yeah, because it is upgrading the branch, but has nothing to upgrade\n ok\n It really shouldn't be telling you the meta-dir is the latest format\n I'd be happy with a bug report on that\n what should it say?\n it should tell you that the bzrdir, and branch are the latest format\n anything it is trying to upgrade\n not just the first one\n (that way it is obvious whether it is or isn't trying to upgrade the repository)\n ok, I'll quote this in the report\n hmm, pack repo reloads all indexes every time I lock/unlock it\n New bug: #173061 in bzr \"possibly confusing message when upgrading an already-upgraded\tbranch\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173061\n jam: http://dpaste.com/26325/\n bbiab\n but only once in the toplevel directory for shared repositories.\n (s/the case of//)\n dato: otherwise I like it\n luks: yes\n luks: so do knits\n luks: that is what locks are for\n yep, but knits don't need locking\n telling us that you are okay seeing a snapshot\n that's what I didn't realize\n luks: they drop the cache as well\n or at least, they were supposed to\n a lock tells us that we don't have to check for changes\n I mean, knits will always have older revisions at the same place\n so if I don't lock it, I can always use an older version\n I'm pretty sure internal to the code we still dropped the index caches\n I guess I'll need to lock the repo globally in qlog\n so that we would see new items\n luks: locking it globally will see some pretty big advantages even with knits\n well, not really in a GUI application\n because I already have revision data loaded\n and those are in some state\n with knits I could always get more info even it new data were added in the meantime\n maybe it could check pack-names and if it's not modified, then keep the old indexes\n dato: Could you perhaps sponsor another upload of bzr-svn, 0.4.4-2?\n dato: -1 doesn't install the FAQ and there are some other minor changes as well\n jam: thanks for the tip with \"pack-0.92\", it mades all the difference. \"Outside\" branching of the trivial OOo repository is down to 5min from formerly 48 minutes\n blauwal: that is why we implemented them :)\n the old format just doesn't scale well\n :)\n It handles a lot of things nicely\n but we saw ways to do it better\n jam: thanks\n jelmer: ok. I guess that upload would not be compatible with 1.0~rc1, by any chance? :)\n jam: are there any drawbacks with the new format?\n dato: not yet, no\n blauwal: all current drawbacks are being addressed and most of them should be fixed in the final 1.0 release\n oh, except 'bzr annotate' being slower\n bzr commit should be faster\n jelmer: ok. is all the -2 stuff in place? (IOW can I upload already?)\n but the old commit was annotating at commit time, rather than waiting until you do 'bzr annotate'\n post 1.0 we will probably have a flag that lets projects choose which they want to do\n jam: I take faster commits over annotate everytime :)\n dato: yep\n blauwal: well, there is annotated merging which is also effected\n but that isn't the default merge algorithm anyway\n (it helps when your ancestry gets really messy)\n dato: do you need a binary package uploaded somewhere?\n jelmer: aren't you a DM these days? ;)\n siretart: but he needs one last sponsored upload to set DM-Upload-Allowed :)\n siretart: yes, but bzr-svn doesn't have XS-DM-Upload-Allowed: set yet\n jam: we do lots of mass merges (CVS style), would they also be affected?\n which is going to happen with this upload, I believe, right?\n yes\n siretart: yep, exactly\n blauwal: The \"current drawbacks\" are mostly/almost all that some commands (log (at least on a file), uncommit, pull on a bundle, others) are several seconds slower, but they're not unusable, so when branching is that dramatically improved, it's definitely worth the upgrade.\n blauwal: mass-merges are generally not ancestry provoking\n it is when you have 4 branches that merge back and forth randomly betweent hem\n between them\n well, among them\n Peng: and most of that is addressable\n Peng: try with my buffer_all patch\n it helps a lot of those commands\n Peng: and it should be in 1.0rc1\n I'm currently trying to plug through the root causes of them being slow\n which will mean they end up faster than the knit form\n (the problem is generally that they use all of ancestry when they don't need to, and packs are a bit slower at all-ancestry stuff, but much faster at partial ancestry stuff)\n jam: I know.\n jam: I didn't mean to negate that you said they're being addressed; I was just expanding on what you said.\n Peng: I didn't know if you knew it would be in 1.0rc1, and I'm sure blauwal didn't know :)\n (And I was expanding on your expansion :)\n jam: ah I see. Ok our development model is rather simple. Developers branch from a milestone (trunk), work on the branch, after a while thy merge new stuff from newer milestones (trunk) into their branch. Later, the branch will be integrated back into the trunk. Problem is that these merges can affect thousands of files\n blauwal: that shouldn't be a problem for any of our merge code\n jam: I didn't know they would all be in 1.0. That relieves me greatly.\n jam: I thought so, even CVS can do it with some help (manual mergetracking)\n blauwal: A couple things were broken in 0.92 (bzr cat, bzr pushing over bzr+ssh) with packs, but they have since been fixed.\n Peng: great\n blauwal: This was all a long way of saying that there were some rough edges with packs in 0.92, but they're being worked on or have already been fixed, so don't get discouraged. Also, it would be great if you reported any new issues you run across.\n Peng: I'll do.\n * dato giggles at `dh_perl -pbzr`; yay cdbs.\n vila: ping\n jam: Peng\n silly Xchat\n jam: pong\n vila: just reviewing your patch\n I thought I would tease you directly about writing \"htpp\"\n you always used to write \"hhtp\"\n (my review should be on the list)\n * vila installs Ktouch and pratice instead of hacking bzr\n * vila re-type practice\n I was trying to figure out whether it was a sign of improvement\n that at least your typos are evolving\n anyway bb:tweak\n you didn't give yourself enough credit in NEWS\n about what ?\n vila: you only talk about -Dhttp and ShortReadv\n but you also fixed the code when issuing too many range requests\n (well, to at least only issue 200 at a time maximum)\n Ha yes, as I said in my email ?\n regarding the typos, the progress is making them in the comments instead of the code ;)\n blauwal: As far as the CVS conversion, there was a cvs2svn guy in here a month or two ago soliciting for somebody to write a bzr output backend for it, who said it probably wouldn't be too much work.\n That may be an avenue to explore.\n fullermd: yes. Actually cvs2svn does a lot of the heavy lifting - make sense out of not so consistent CVS archives\n fullermd: actually, the last version of cvs2svn that worked for me is 1.5.1. They did something to 2.0.1 which makes it as slow as molasses, I need to talk with him anyway :)\n Yeah. So with a little work on a backend to write into bzr, we get to stea^Wborrow all that work ;)\n fullermd: yeah. I will look into it, but, unfortuantely I'm more of a perl than python expert and don't know anything about bzr to boot (though way too much about CVS) so I don't know if anything will come out of it.\n Oh, I wasn't suggesting locking you in the basement until you came out with it done ;)\n blauwal: I think fullermd was suggesting locking *me* in a basement.\n jam: :)\n Just that it's alleged to be a fairly simple thing (couple days work for someone familiar), so it may get done by someone else in the coming months.\n jam: Of course not. That would be unhumane.\n That's what attics are for...\n fortunately, my basement has escape windows\n hmm... my attic doesn't\n jam: Fall through the ceiling.\n messy, and still an 8-foot fall, but I suppose better than trying to break through a wall and falling 30 ft\n You could try to kick a hole in the ceiling and drop down.\n No, no, you gotta crawl through the duct work. It's more dramatic that way.\n And you get to hum the M:I theme while you're doing it. What more could a man want?\n blauwal: still being more a perl expert than a python myself, I'd say just try it, you are in for some good surprises\n Pshaw. Python doesn't even have $>, how good can it be?\n vila: Yes, python has come a long way. I've only dabbled with it so far.\n fullermd: don't you mean: $Pshaw. @Python $doesn't $even $have $>, @how $good @can ~/it/be\n but even after working with perl for > 10 years, perl is still good for some surprises, too ...\n TIMTOWTDI often becomes this is the way to do it, but getting rid of $@% and replacing '->{}' with '.' is quite a relief\n %{@not[$much]}, obviously.\n vila: you mean that you can do it 10 different ways, but only 1 is good?\n jam: no, I mean python promote a good way where perl leave decide which one you prefer\n vila: I agrre TIMOWTDI is no really a strength but a weakness of perl\n s/agrre/agree/\n s/no/not/\n Ack! vila's spelling is already infecting you!\n :)\n It is all about the UDP connection from brain to hands\n * vila cries seeing fullermd spoling its own joke while trying to fix his typos...\n there really should be some checksums in there\n 44\n not that I'd want to pay the speed of an ACK round trip for each character\n My problem, OTOH, isn't data corruption; it's mixing multiplexed streams. Hands multitask poorly :|\n fullermd: I beg to differ. *A* hand multitasks poorly. *hands* can do a decent job :)\n blauwal: I don't think it's a weakness, it makes reading others code harder since nobody agree on how to do things, but it also gives more freedom\n Yeah, you'd THINK that, until the first time you accidentally chew your stomach and pat your gum while walking...\n vila: I admit I love to code perl because of this freedom, but I usually don't love what other guys make out of my carefully crafted perl code :)\n blauwal: hehe\n python execptions is a good example, you *can* throw and catch exceptions in perl (die, if ($@)) but since there is no agreement on how to do that, there are rarely used\n $@ ????\n ouch\n I guess it makes your perl start to look more like math notation\n since everything is in symbols\n vila: yes. Actually I use die; if ($@) all the time, but no here seems to understand it\n jam: see, you talk perl ! $@ contains the reason of your 'ouch' ;-)\n jam: It's actually a very nice regular syntax\n blauwal: true, but it takes a while to learn the difference between $_ $> $@ @foo $foo $<\n and implicit operators\n ~/foo/\n chomp\n I do tend to use the names rather than the symbols for all but the handful that I use most often.\n use English is your friend\n I could see that once you get used to them, maybe you can parse more symbols per second than\n you could english words\n but until then, it is completely opaque\n jam: yes. Now one can code in perl very productive but I bet this also holds for python and maybe ruby, too\n blauwal: I think python has less implicit stuff in it.\n Well, in ruby, you don't have to be productive; running the code is so slow it doesn't matter if writing was fast ;>\n So you have to learn less of the language to understand what someone else wrote\n (certainly one of the main design comments is :Explicit is better than implicit.)\n jam: Actually the biggest obstacle in perl is to learn how to create complex data strcutures.\n I found perl's argument handling to be.... iffy\n jam: Everything else (objects etc) comes easy later\n That may have gotten better\n since I used it\n Yeah. That's the big thing that kills me in perl, since I don't use it enough anymore to remember :|\n Function args are a close #2.\n Supposely, though, both are much better in perl 6, so that should be a nice switch to make in, like, 2025 or so.\n python's ability to name the arguments at call time is really nice\n foo(bar=X, baz=Y)\n blauwal: fully agree, but once you understand than perl references are C pointers and fight perl tendency to make sense of every bogus expression, you define *far* less types than in python\n often makes it very clear at the call site what you are trying to do\n vila: well, and perl is happy to auto-cast your variables\n '1' + '2' == 3\n jam: you can name perl arguments, just a hash as an arg\n Oh, that's not the big problem with function args; it's that they're a list, not args, so trying to pass, say, two @arrays requires some hoop-jumping (normally they'll just turn into one large @)\n vila: yes.\n jam: I'm been bitten more often by python '%d' % '12' -> '12' is not an int than by perl\n vila: but then can you pass them as positions?\n fullermd: Thats what references are for\n vila: always use '%s'\n vila: it works for *all* types\n But I'm guessing you are doing that because you are *coming from* perl\n * fullermd is reminded of Jim Fulton's monkeys/snake quote.\n jam: yup, and I realized that '%s' was the way in my problematic cases\n My biggest complain about perl is that classes are more or less bolted on and look strange\n coming from perl one the most annoying one is '' is the same as \"\"\n funny one ;-)\n blauwal: Well, yeah, but that's the hoop jumping. Kinda annoying.\n fullermd: always use references and you're done\n I've written a CVS client library in perl, which is nicely object oriented and looks strange for most\n @$array is your friend ;-)\n vila: well, I imagine having perl inline expand is nice when you want it\n \"$foo\" versus \"%(foo)s\" % vars()\n Yes, but you have to use the \\ everywhere you call the function then.\n Luckily, I don't hold with OOP, so any weakness perl has there bothers me not at all ;)\n fullermd: no you *declare* them as references $array = []\n instead of @array = ()\n Ugh. Trading one problem for another...\n I'll just keep on working in PHP all day, where it works rationally.\n vila: you point out something, though @$array versus $@ exception object\n fullermd: TIMTOWTDI ;-)\n jam: no $@ is a special variable ;-) @$ dereferences an array reference\n fullermd: It's quite funny, but all these $,@,% come quite easily after you get used to it. Well, and you have understood the difference between evaluating them in scalar or list context\n %$ dereference a hash\n vila: sure, but $@ means something *very* different from @$\n vila: That line should be quoted.\n and I don't think the @ symbol in \"$@\" has any similar meaning to the \"@\" in @$\n sort of like if I named my variables\n FWIW, http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/wiki/index.cgi/BzrVsHg\n foo, fOo, Foo\n foo = 10\n Foo = object()\n jam: $@ (Mnemonic: Where was the syntax error \"at\"?)\n def fOo()\n Yah, but I don't do perl nearly enough to remember all the rules for different contexts and passing and making references in a deep array for easier code writing and yada yada. So it's always a fight.\n if fOo(foo) == Foo:\n Foo.foobar()\n Would be hard to read\n I understand the intent behind \"things that _are_ different should _look_ different\", but my life is easier when you just reference variables all the same.\n fullermd: yup, that's the blocking point, I had problems overcoming that and I've seen many block there.\n die if($@ == @$bar)\n Whether it's a $scalar or a $numeric[$array] or an $associative['array'].\n jam: true, I don't like the separate namespaces for scalars, arrays, hash and so on\n Or $however['deep'][$one][$may]['go']. Lot simpler.\n And sometimes in perl you have to $do{'this'}, except for when you have to $do->{'this'}, and the latter often works even when not necessary, except...\n There _is_ rhyme and reason behind it, but if you don't do it every day, it seeps out of your head _real_ quick and leaves you crying.\n fullermd: my main trick is: $scalar $carS $handler_OF (caps for emphasis) works very well for perl, not for python\n fullermd: that's why always using references simplifies you only use $do->{this} (stop the silly quote, keys don't need them except if they contain spaces or such) the same trick in python is to do dict(car='2cv', house='small') instead of {'car': '2cv', 'house': 'small'}\n but $->{} for perl when '.' for python.... far less typos ;-)\n Oh, I always use the quotes. It looks better to me. Bare words are keywords, not data strings ;)\n fullermd: argh, {'car': '2cv', 'house': 'small'} killed me until poolie showed me the dict() trick\n dato: anything else I should do for the bzr-svn upload?\n jelmer: no, I'll do it later today\n dato: cool, thanks :-)\n I've got to go for today, but I certainly will come back to this channel and pester^H^H^H^H^H ask you for more infos regarding bazaar and Openoffice. Thanks!\n jelmer: do you know if bzr1.0 has been branched off, or bzr.dev is still only open for 1.0 stuff? I thought the latter was the case, but I saw bialix talking about opening a new entry in NEWS.\n blauwal: thanks for OpenOffice ;-)\n dato: I'm pretty sure I've seen an extant 1.0 branch discussed...\n Another Launchpad behavior question: Is it worth registering a branch for like a small thing that probably won't be changed and is fine as a bundle?\n vila: is the \"dict trick\" dict(a='b', c='d'), or something else?\n Worth mentioning is that due to my locations.conf setup, bundles include a source_branch location, so I do create a public branch location anyway.\n dato: That's it.\n fullermd, dato: 1.0rc1 has been released\n but it has been done so with an expectation that we will likely see 1.0rc2\n Peng: depends on your definition of \"worth it\"\n I do it all the time\n (I think having branches associated with bugs is a nice thing)\n * Peng giggles and runs off to Launchpad.\n jam: yes (I already uploaded it to debian ;); my question was whether development of 1.0rc2 would take place in bzr.dev, or in a separate branch.\n especially if someone ever wants to backport a fix, etc.\n dato: you would have to ask poolie\n I'm guessing bzr.dev\n jam: that's what I thought; I was asking because bialix was talking about opening NEWS a new.\n I mostly feel like I'm imposing, jumping into a fairly inactive project with 3 or 4 bug reports and half a dozen branches.\n Peng: well, that is what distributed control is all about\n it lets someone take over the inactive stuff\n in a friendlier way than a fork\n And LP helps too, since it gives you a place to announce your stuff\n near where people. might be accessing the original stuff\n (without LP a branch on your on host would probably never be seen)\n Peng: what projecT?\n project\n And now that I can be seen, I'm really wanting to set up HTTPS. Hmph.\n jam: pytz.\n Peng: well it seems like it may not be officially hosted on LP\n just that stub uses LP + bzr to track upstream\n hmm, take that back\n as stub is the developer\n haha\n dato: We should start a new section at the top\n even if it is going to be 1.0rc2\n if you look at older NEWS records\n you can see that we break down the changes by each public release\n sorry I didn't think about it earlier.\n bah, you're right :)\n Why is bazaar not working? The first command on the tutortial breaks. $ bzr whoami \"John Doe \"\n how does it break?\n I get: bzr: ERROR: extra argument to command whoami: John Doe \n um, what version of bzr?\n 0.8.2\n Whoah.\n It sucks being on Dapper. Everything is old\n chiefinnovator: http://bazaar-vcs.org/releases/debs/dapper\n wget http://bazaar-vcs.org/releases/src/bzr-0.92.tar.gz && tar -zxvf bzr-0.92.tar.gz && cd bzr-0.92 && python setup.py install :)\n I just did aptitude install bzr\n oh, there are debs for dapper...\n chiefinnovator: http://bazaar-vcs.org/DistroDownloads\n chiefinnovator: we have a repository for dapper versions\n I don't think it has the latest latest\n ah I see\n but it has stuff a lot newer than 0.8\n So the default did .8 though\n You couldn't identify yourself in .8 :-)\n you can edit ~/.bazaar/bazaar.conf\n chiefinnovator: well if you want to use 0.8, you can go to the 0.8 tutorial\n http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr-0.8/tutorial.html\n Did email even exist back when 0.8 was current? ;>\n I'll go ahead and get the new one\n So this is better than Mercurial right? I was trying to decide all morning\n we think so :)\n Obviously, this is the place to come for an unbiased answer to that question...\n isn't\n chiefinnovator: http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrVsHg\n Biased is ok, just want to reinforce my decision :-)\n Yeah, I read that one\n Of course, I've long subscribed to the belief that it doesn't matter if I'm biased, as long as I'm right ;)\n sounds good\n fullermd: a completely true statement, it is just that the former influences the perception of the latter\n well I go ahead and update then, thanks for the help\n chiefinnovator: The problem is, they're both better!\n true, coming from SVN\n It would do us well to explain once why hg's hardlinking is not a capable alternative to shared repos, instead of having to fumble it up every time it comes up.\n Hg's hardlinking also has its benefits, mainly that you can clone to anywhere on the filesystem, not just inside the shared repo.\n Well as long as you're using a fs that supports hardlinks. And cloning on one fs (though I don't know if shared repos can span fsen; branches can't)\n Peng: though packs will also support hardlinking without having to ever break the links\n fullermd: shared repos can span fs\n you just have to have a containing fs\n so if you put one it /\n all your branches would share across all filesystems\n we do expect that .bzr/* is on the same filesystem as all working files\n so that we can do atomic \"os.rename()\"\n (mind you, I have a very low opinion of any fs that _doesn't_ support hardlinks. But they are out there.)\n fullermd: and there are those like HPFS+ that *do* but very poorly\n (as in, performance is better without hardlinking)\n Mm. Packs may support hardlinking without strictly speaking having to break, but they still have all the same side effects as breaking.\n fullermd: the problem with knits is that you have to probe and see if you need to break\n before writing to them\n (same thing for revlog)\n which means it isn't safe to do over sftp\n etc\n but it *is* safe to use packs in a similar fashion\n over sftp when the remote one is hardlinkde\n hardlinked\n Safety isn't my argument against it. It's that it's not shared; your branches only share storage as long as you don't touch either one.\n Soon's you start commiting in one or the other, you progressively work back toward 2*space.\n fullermd: completely true\n and packs have the side effect that changing 1 file 10,000 times\n will get you back to 2x space\n because it breaks the link for \"unrelated\" files\n So saying \"We don't need shared repos, hardlinks do just as well\" is false, even if it's done completely safely.\n (though if one file is changing 10,000 times, you probably don't have that much in common anyway)\n fullermd: I agree (I certainly never made that assertion, I like shared repos) but that doesn't mean it is incompatible with also doing hardlinks\n probably our bigger impedance to hardlinking packs\n Oh, I'm arguing against the statement I've heard from hg before (and is on their reponse page against our BzrVsHg)\n is that we garbage collect when you push/pull/branch\n fullermd: do you have that page? I'd be interested in reading it\n 11:17 FWIW, http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/wiki/index.cgi/BzrVsHg\n If I had a wiki account, I might add a comparison of shared repo vs. hardlinks.\n Peng: if you want to write it up in ReST format\n I'll upload it for you\n I meant to the hg wiki. :P\n And it would only be one paragraph.\n wow, what a nasty page.\n wow, you guys have been busy.\n They're always busy.\n true, *especially* busy.\n james_w who is \"you guys\"? the chat channel?\n jam: no, everyone flooding my bzr mailbox :)\n hey I've been busy too!\n all the merge requests, bug triaging :)\n kiko: I don't doubt it, feel free to bounce me copies of all your work so that I can marvel at that as well :)\n I deal in psychological counseling and disaster management. I wouldn't bounce those to you.\n you seem like a nice person.\n ah, thanks kiko.\n however if you have a crisis, you can call me!\n james_w: well that is just a targeted strike to make you unproductive by DOS'ing your email server\n jam: hi\n hi lifeless\n good morning\n you are actually showing up at a reasonable time\n I'm so proud of you\n well I have guests\n been doing stuff round the house :)\n given it's my sat, I'm not sure showing up is reasonable :)\n anyhow, I thought I'd ask if there was anything you needed help with; I have somewhat under 2 hours that I can do 'stuff' in if needed.\n lifeless: I have 3 patches up for review\n Make packs more awesome!\n one is the \"fetch checks basis\"\n patch\n Which depends on your reconcile stuff\n so get your reconcile merged (if it isn't yet)\n and then review mine\n 2 and 3 are performance patches\n that get rid of some of our poor scaling\n I was going to let your branch merge both\n lifeless: sure, if you want to approve it... though I did want the comments, etc from you\n right; I'll review now\n abentley: whats my password again ? :)\n I'm not on my normal machine\n Peng: we will make them more awesome\n :D\n abentley: nvm, got it\n jam: reviewed one\n Peng: You need bzr init --format=pack-moreawesomeer\"\n If only improving software were as easy as adding a \"--moreawesomer\" argument...\n jam: okies, reviews done\n jam: bbiab\n jam: ping\n lifeless: pong\n so\n I will be going in < 1 hour\n if you need more discussion or review we should do is asap\n *i*\n *it*\n Nothing that cannot wait the weekend, IMO\n ok\n I have only mon and tuesday next week\n lifeless: Changing the delta algorithm will halve disk usage?\n Peng: yes\n lifeless: From what to what?\n k, I only have a couple more hours, and you've given me enough for that\n lifeless: to xdelta from line-deltas\n and changing the compression order\n Peng: ^^\n Peng: well e.g. 50 to 25M thereabouts, for bzr.dev\n just changing the order brings the biggest benefit\n jam: something you might find interesting when you get say 2 hours 'spare'.\n ?\n jam: put your inventory reweave into 'bzr pack'\n jam: that is, subclass Packer to one that regenerates the inventory deltas to be optimal.\n oh, to change the # of inventory fulltexts\n jam: or at least analyse and decide if it's optimal/blind reinsert. That sort of thing. yes.\n Peng: there is an interesting property when it comes to deltas and merges\n in that the delta against left parent when merging\n is the sum of the chain of commits\n which means it is usually rather large\n multiparent diffs help\n but that means you have to unpack both sides\n oook, after two days of using packs, it seems all in all considerably faster then knits. I have ~140 branches at the office spread around the filesystem, is there some clean/automatic way of upgrading all of em to packs?\n find/locate + script, probably\n beuno: \"for branch in `bzr branches`; do bzr upgrade $branch; done\"\n (if you have bzrtools for 'bzr branches')\n beuno: find .bzr/repository/revisions.knit - dirname twice; reconcile; upgrade\n which will be a lot slower than \"find . -path '.bzr/branch'\"\n jam: (s/path/wholename/, I think, in case you'd be interested)\n beuno: I would recommend lifeless's solution but dirname 3 times\n jam: does your reweave inventory do anything strange?\n we might want to have a nice downloadable script handy once 1.0 hits the stores\n lifeless: I believe it just inserts inventories into the target using the new algorithm\n jam: or is it just get_graph_with_ghosts + topo_sort + reinsert ?\n for version in knit.versions(): knit.add_lines(...)\n hmm, I might whip this up\n it has been a while, though\n another thing that would be niftt\n nifty\n have bzr info -vv\n show how much space each fileid consumes\n - sum the record sizes for everything with that id\n spiv: in case you haven't figured it out; index is self.stream_index compares object instances, (self.stream_index is a _StreamIndex). So its safe, its a string when its a thunk request - that is not self.stream_index.\n lifeless: another way it could be rewritten... compute what should be a delta and what should be a fulltext. If the current index matches, just copy the data across. only if it misses do we need to do add_lines()\n it would make it a lot faster\n jam: yah\n jam: same as reconcile's stuff for texts\n yep\n jam: its what I meant by 09:12 < lifeless> jam: or at least analyse and decide if it's optimal/blind reinsert. That sort of thing. yes.\n jam: another possibility is to consider only the fulltexts\n lifeless: also, I think if you favored doing a fulltext at a merge revision\n since those would tend to be larger anyway\n hey Verterok\n It seems we don't have any branch_implementation tests that pull(other) will raised DivergedBranches\n we have 1 blackbox test that happens to exercise it\n weird\n (it turns out my pull_set_last_revision stuff broke it, but not branch tests failed)\n I have a plugin (bzrtools) installed with bzr 0.92 in my system. But now I'm running bzr.dev. How should I hook up the plugin into it?\n Peng: I always install it in ~/.bazaar/plugins/bzrtools\n directly from Aaron's branch\n because he has to usually update it for each bazaar release anyway\n so I can just \"cd ~/.bazaar/plugins/bzrtools; bzr up\"\n Ahh.\n You run non-release bzrtools too?\n Oh, duh.\n If I'm using non-release bzr, I need non-release bzrtools too. Hmm.\n not always, but usually\n aaron is pretty good about not really breaking stuff\n actually, I've been spoiled by bzr, such that I feel like running tip of lots of projects\n only to find out they aren't as careful\n Heh.\n Run Mozilla from CVS!\n well, CVS by its very nature will tend to create broken stuff if you do anything but get tags :)\n and even then\n ...\n oh, I'm wrong, the pqm has just been changed to stop on the first error... shame, I always used the pqm to give me the list of tests I needed to fix :(\n Modern computers are fun. I just did a find through my entire home directory to find all of the .bzr dirs, and run upgrade on them, and it took like 30 seconds.\n (I had manually gotten all of the repos, but not all of the branches.)\n There were 45 of them.\n * lifeless waves\n oh Peng - are you using bzr again now ?\n Only 28 .hg dirs. :P\n Peng: if so, cool, and welcome back to the fold :)\n lifeless: Not for that main thing. But I never stopped using it for other things.\n Peng: oh, cool.\n (The main thing being where I could stress-test it best. Hmph.)\n Peng: please let us know where we fail w.r.t. that main thing at the moment.\n lifeless: I have no idea.\n :)\n But even if I wanted to go through the hassle of another conversion, then I would barely be using hg, and I don't want that.\n Peng: well, :)\n ok, gone for real.\n lifeless: I'd be happy to do any tests you want me to on a copy of the bzr branch from before the conversion. It's about the same, just a bit smaller.\n (Don't really feel like doing it right now, though. Also, Firefox is busy hurting the system's responsiveness.)\n (A fun way to measure what Firefox is doing is to time my usual large commit that I do frequently. When Firefox is closed, it's 16 seconds user time and a couple seconds sys and wall-clock time is normal, but when Firefox is really hogging things, wall-clock is always above 50 seconds, rarely above a minute.)\n You can't run Mozilla from CVS. The compile time is longer than their release cycle...\n Heh.\n You can always be out-of-date *and* unstable.\n No, I don't have a Windows CD.\n Mozilla has an hg branch, which is just a direct copy of almost all of the CVS tree. Last I heard, it couldn't compile without CVS. Hmph.\n Off-topic, but since everyone here is smart and GPG-signs everything, what do you do about backing up your PGP key? I'd store encrypted backups, but there has to be an unencrypted version somewhere to be able to decrypt the backup of it! Do you put it on a floppy at Grandpa's? Encode it in the Bible and hide it in multiple safes in booby-trapped locations on each continent? Upload it to a hidden directory on your shared web space and hop\n e no script kiddies hack your blog?\n Ooh, multiple lines. Nice.\n Tattoo it on the inside of your eyelid.\n What if I get a new one with a longer algorithm? :(\n so somebody tie jam up\n jam, do you have all this code in a DVD somewhere and you are slowly unleashing it to the world?\n Write smaller.\n Seriously, though.\n * fullermd shrugs.\n I'm not an especially heavy user.\n I follow the methodology of \"put all your eggs in one armor-plated basket, and watch it like a hawk\"\n What's that mean?\n It's the opposite of avoiding putting all your eggs in one basket, because spreading them securely and reliably isn't as easy as a lot of people think.\n Hmmph.\n jam: are you planning on doing xdelta packs?\n I believe Mercurial has had problems with how xdelta scales.\n What about IBM's algorithm? http://alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/hsadelta\n Well, I'd rather use the MPDiff format we already use in bundles.\n But the main thing is, I don't want to duplicate effort with jam.\n jelmer: ping\n schierbeck: pong\n jelmer, does the bzr-gtk trunk still reside in ~bzr/bzr-gtk/trunk?\n even when we have a ~bzr-gtk team?\n#bzr 2007-12-01\n schierbeck: yes, though I can try to change that\n that would be great -- i have a one-line patch that fixes a crasher in the mainline version of the viz\n i'm not sure if it needs to go through the review process -- even if it doesn't, i'm not able to push\n schierbeck: ok, it's now at ~bzr-gtk/bzr-gtk/trunk\n wow, that was fast\n do you think i should push the revision?\n it's just removing an import of a now nonexisting file\n yeah, sounds good to push without review\n so now the main branch is at ~bzr-gtk/bzr-gtk/trunk you could start pushing your own approved revs :-)\n nice :)\n What order are the sections (\"BUG FIXES\", \"IMPROVEMENTS\", etc.) in NEWS in?\n Peng: I'd suggest looking at NEWS to find out. :p\n Newbie question: I'm working on a project with the \"Decentralized with shared mainline\" workflow. I want to \"fork\" the project into two different development efforts. I guess this would be \"making a new revision\"? But what is going to happen when people start pushing their changes back to the mainline from the two different branches? Is there a best practises for this, or am I going about it the wrong way?\n * sorry I meant to say \"This would be 'making a new branch'?\"\n GuyIncognito: What you would do is 'branch' the shared mainline into a separate branch. You would then 'merge' changes from that branch back into the mainline.\n Old_Bloke: OK. What happens if several people want to work on the new branch?\n Odd_Bloke: Seems to be arbitrary.\n GuyIncognito: You can have multiple shared branches, instead of just one. Just set up the second similar to the first.\n GuyIncognito: Well, any given branch can be treated as centralised. That is to say you could branch 'mainline' to 'feature-1' and then have people use 'feature-1' using any of the listed workflows.\n * Peng adds a reference to the bzr branch to the trivial bug he's been working on. :O\n I feel kinda bad about polluting the big important list of branches with something trivial.\n But it also has taken a few commits and continued to be modified, at least a little.\n fullermd, Odd_Bloke: Thanks!\n GuyIncognito: No worries. :)\n Hyello\n Does anyone else have problems with Launchpad & olive?\n I try to grab from there or push and I get \"unexpected response\"\n The location for bzr-gtk has just moved to ~bzr-gtk/bzr-gtk/trunk\n ?\n ?\n Were you talking to me?\n Yes. I thought that might be relevant to you.\n Hmm\n Still wondering why no SVN on launchpad :P\n Still wondering why no SVN on list of \"once-popular products that no one's using\"\n ...no-one's using SVN?\n No one should be.\n (I know of at least 30 off the top of my head)\n Well, i've had nothing but problems with bazaar -_-\n I'm sorry to hear that.\n It probably saw svn installed on the system and got huffy.\n So what protocol are you using to retrieve bzr-gtk?\n I'm trying to use olive at the mo\n Same source tree.\n Can i get bzr-gtk via yum\n No idea. The Bazaar project has debs, but I don't think any rpms.\n Yeah, I have it\n But there's no GUI\n It's just tools\n And I'm using KDE :P\n bzr-gtk is a plugin for Bazaar that aims to provide GTK+ interfaces to most Bazaar operations.\n Can probably do a quick grep through yum list (or is it yum search? I can't remember) to see if it's in its standard repo.\n The Bazaar project has debs FOR BZR-GTK, but I don't think any rpms.\n Well, no app is shown\n lessee\n I know what bzr-gtk is. I am one of the contributors.\n If it's not in the 'official' yum db, I haven't heard of anywhere else offering RPMs (which doesn't mean much since I don't track that, but...)\n Oh dude\n If it's not there, it's probably easiest (for experimenting, anyway) to just grab a copy manually and stick it in your personal plugins dir.\n Now I have to install nautilus\n No way am I using bazaar\n :X\n You don't have to for bzr-gtk itself; some package may be listed with it. I sure don't have nautilus around.\n Nautilus is not a hard dependency of bzr-gtk.\n Man, good\n Cause it's nowhere near as good as Konqi :/\n Anyhow\n Is that some new-fangled version of 'ls'? ;p\n What is just, the long and short of it -- how do I make it easier just to commit without having to fanny around? :P\n It's getting annoying when there's GUI's that don't work and bazaar is similar to arch\n I'm not sure what you mean about guis that don't work.\n Olive doesn't work\n That's a bit off my turf. I always just use the CLI; only thing I generally use -gtk for is an occasional viz.\n Won't let me commit, won't let me pull\n Can't connect to servers\n Well, commit works for me.\n Using olive?\n Okay, well if this is the case maybe I'm not getting the connection URL's correct\n You'd probably have to be a little more specific about what you're trying to commit/pull and what servers :p\n What's the actual URL you need to specify\n My project on launchpad is photoncrm\n And the advised path is ~jordancdarwin/photoncrm/modules/\n JordanC: yes, using olive.\n So 'bzr+ssh://jordancdarwin@bazaar.launchpad.net/~jordancdarwin/photoncrm/modules/' for pushing.\n JordanC: ^\n For writing it, I think it would be something like bzr+... what Odd_Bloke said.\n Still\n When I use that, I get \"Cannot read response from server\"\n And for pulling?\n Mmm. I get a bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: \"http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jordancdarwin/photoncrm/modules/\" when I try branching it.\n bzr push bzr+ssh://jordancdarwin@bazaar.launchpad.net/~jordancdarwin/photoncrm/modules\n That's what I get given\n Haha\n Yeah, it just crashed\n Well, it looks like there really is no branch there.\n \" This branch has not been published yet.\"\n So LP has the branch listed, but not really there. I don't know LP well enough to know how you do that, or fix it.\n I've never created a LP branch except by pushing it.\n Why is it that after some errors, GTK will actually not allow me to click buttons, but use the keyboard instead? Argh, frustrating\n Hmm\n Unsupported protocol for url \"bzr push bzr+ssh://jordancdarwin@bazaar.launchpad.net/~jordancdarwin/photoncrm/modules\"\n Everything is fine\n Hang on\n Why is it pasting that\n Okay, here we are\n Unknown error\n end of file reading from server.\n :)\n The bzr+ssh protocol has poor diagnostics.\n Try using sftp instead.\n In olive?\n Sure.\n Same error\n Just switch sft for bzr+ssh in the URL.\n Yeah, I know how to do it ;-)\n Sorry \"sftp\".\n Okay, can you log into launchpad?\n Already done\n e.g. using an sftp client?\n Yes\n Works fine\n And you're using the same user-id?\n yup\n Sound like you need to talk to someone in #launchpad, then.\n jam: ping\n I can't remember, bzr branch lp:/// support is in bzr proper correct? Not bzrtools?\n gdoubleu: Technically, I think it's in the launchpad plugin, but that's shipped with bzr.\n anyone got any clues on this error ( trying to use bzr-svn )\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/2392/\n *hopes some is awake at this hour*\n imbrandon: Upgrade to >= 0.92 and try again\n imbrandon: (1.0rc1 would be better)\n AfC: ok , is it in hardy or do i need to compile\n i'm running gutsy with all -backports/-updates\n imbrandon: I haven't the faintest idea what a gutsy, hardy, or whingy are, but if you look on the Bazaar website you'll find that they have an apt repo that Debian derived distributions can use.\n AfC: rockin ok, ( fwiw they are the ubuntu codenames )\n gutys being the latest stable , anyhow thanks, i'll try that\n gutsy*\n * AfC is heaping scorn on the idea a) of codenames, and b) that Debian and Ubuntu people seem to expect that anyone else would have the faintest fucking clue what the hell they are talking about\n no i dident *expect* you to know, sorry for the assumtion, bzr being another canonical project i assumed the right hand would know about the left hand, but assuming makes an ass+u+me , wont happen again\n Anyway, 0.93 ^W 1.0rc1 is just out, and you'll probably do well to give it a try as it's 3-4 months (and 3-4 releases) newer than what you were using. The Bazaar hackers continue to move at an astonishing rate and problems encountered in a version that's that old are likely long since resolved.\n k\n Hey dudes\n :)\n ello JordanC\n siretart: so, as a person who's fought with Recommends... ;) what's your opinion on having bzr recommend: bzrtools, and suggest: bzr-gtk, bzr-svn\n siretart: I think bzrtools is on the verge of not being appropriate for recommends, but only on the verge :)\n dato: I would argue this way:\n dato: would you expect a typical bzr user to also install bzrtools?\n if yes -> recommends, if no ->suggest\n (I'd vote in favor of it)\n yeah, me too. I think it'd be useful for it to be available by default.\n I'm also revamping the description.\n great, thanks\n jam, vila: I would also like to know whether you think python-pycurl should still be pulled by default when installing bzr (in Debian, and possibly in ubuntu), or it's better to leave it out now.\n siretart: do you have any idea why on earth we Suggest: libxml2-utils?\n dato: no idea. maybe lifeless knows?\n maybe. the changelog is not helping.\n /usr/bin/xmllint, /usr/bin/xmlcatalog\n I'm not sure what either of those would be for.\n hi all btw.\n hi james_w\n oh, no jelmer\n siretart: http://dpaste.com/26427/\n dato: conclicts\n \"yet able to adapt to many workflows, reliable, and easily extendable.\" is a little uncomfortable, I would suggest dropping the \"yet\".\n james_w, thanks, fixed (both).\n dato: it's good, thanks for doing it.\n \"no special software the server is needed\" ? \"no special software is needed on the server\"\n the intention was \"no special software *in* the server is needed\"\n regarding pycurl, there are two http implementations in bzr: one based on pycurl, the other on urllib\n yes\n if pycrul is the default if present\n yeah, I know.\n the major difference is that pycurl verifies ssl certificates\n the question was, whether to make installing bzr in a system also pull pycurl in\n iow, what do you feel that would be a better default: pycurl available or not\n dato: I would think available.\n dato: I'm a bit biased since I rewrote most of the urllib ;)\n also looking again I think vila's \"no special software is needed on the server\" is better.\n ok, done\n frankly I don't know if pycurl should be pulled or not. When people want certificate verification pycurl is mandatory (today), if they don't want certificate verification pycurl should be avoided (by forcing the use of urllib)\n of course the best solution would be to get vila enough spare time to add certificate validation to urllib.\n vila: avoided?\n james_w: ;-)\n yeah, pycurl wont let you access a site with a self-signed certificate for instance, so you have to force urllib to access it.\n dato: no hhtps connection can be issued if certificate verification fails (included self-signed certificates)\n and also if your installation is screwed or the site use an unknown CA\n since urllib makes no verification... it's usable. *And* I will provide the necessary hooks to allow urllib to cope with the situations above\n so, maybe not pull pycurl, and leave a note in README.Debian on when it could be useful?\n maybe downgrade it to suggests\n ah, I meant to mention in the description what paramiko is useful for\n you stop doing that ?\n put it back and add an equivalent section for pycurl maybe ?\n stop doing what? there was never any place in the debian packagin explaining what was paramiko needed for\n s/if your installation is screwed/& regarding the certificates/\n I heard at least two reports (or three) where the ca-certificates package were not installed even when pycurl was (or liburl, or curl, whatever ;)\n s/liburl/libcurl/\n err, waitaminute, james_w, *you* had a case where ca-certificates not installed no >\n s/>/?/\n vila: yeah, I've tried to see why, but I'm couldn't see it.\n dato: sry, misunderstood you, I thought you said you *was* doing, I think it will be a good idead to do so.\n james_w: I think I sent you an email afterwards with some hints (after looking a bit myself)\n Subject: ca-certificates as a bzr dependency\n To: James Westby \n Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:01:48 +0100\n vila: yeah, thanks.\n AAARGH silly posting addresses here :-(\n so sorry :(\n is paramiko needed to push over bzr+ssh?\n vila: no problem, there are plenty of other places to harvest it.\n and the '+' is a good anti-spam device anyway.\n really ? I was wondering about that cause my spam level have never been too high and I tend to always use + addresses\n dato: checking...\n dato: yes it is\n thanks\n bbiab\n (maybe it'd should be a dependency then)\n bbiab\n vila: my MTA's logs show loads of rejects to debian@jameswestby.net, which I think is a great help.\n amazing... I thought there were clever enough to include + as a valid component... or may be the clever ones think that people using + are naturally anti-spam ;-)\n regarding urllib's certificate verification, I have a branch whith an https test server using the ssl module provided by python2.6 (after dirty port of bzr to python2.6)\n this branch is on the back burner for now because that module is currently under work in 2.6, 3k and as a package for py2.3->2.5, so it's bit hard to find the right version ;-)\n 2.6, 3k and the package being at different levels last time I checked...\n vila: apparently 0% of my current spam folder (1700 messages) is to that address, > 90% of ham is to that address.\n do other countries have the real SPAM, i.e. the meat product?\n Not that I know of ;-)\n ah, you're missing out.\n vila: What's it used or? The ssh connection can be through openssh, and the protocol is our own.\n abentley: try:\n from bzrlib.transport import ssh\n except errors.ParamikoNotPresent:\n # no paramiko. SmartSSHClientMedium will break.\n pass\n in smart/medium.py\n ?\n Perhaps it's used for something, but I would have thought not.\n me too, that's why I checked, I'm as surprised as you, may well be a bug\n I guess we'll just have to harass spiv.\n spiv: ^\n New bug: #173274 in bzr \"Allow pre-export hooks\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173274\n abentley: your announcement of bzrtools 1.0 doesn't mention switch being merged into core. Did it make it into 1.0rc1?\n Actually, I did mention switch.\n Oh, drat.\n I meant \"switch\", not \"shelf\".\n Okay, I've fired off a correction.\n ah, that explains it :-)\n Huh. Now that I'm using bzr.dev, I don't want to bother installing 1.0rc1.\n Yeah, I'm chronic that way.\n I did have to revert to 1.0rc1 temporarily, to make sure bzrtools 1.0.0 works with it.\n Which you can do with \"bzr revert -r branch:http://bazaar-vcs.org/bzr/bzr.1.0/\"\n What the hell is wrong with Firefox? It refuses to download GPG signatures. /me wgets the bzrtools .sig file.\n so why's bzr.dev still claiming it's 0.93 ? shouldn't that be 1.0.1 ?\n NEWS was updated but I guess nobody got around to updating the version number.\n And now they're off for the weekend?\n Going from an installed copy of 0.92 to 1.0rc1 is a 291 KB pack. :)\n Hm, it's not possible to branch a dirstate branch into an (empty) pack repo?\n Oh, never mind.\n dirstate-with-subtree.\n Yes, \"KnitRepository\" is super-useful information.\n jelmer or something: Who runs doc.bazaar-vcs.org? The docs need to be updated. 1.0rc1 links to packrepo.html but it's still a 404.\n Peng: I think one of poolie, jam or lifeless should be able to update it.\n Okay.\n jam or lifeless or someone: http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/developers/ needs to be rebuilt. 1.0rc1's \"help formats\" links to packrepo.html, but it's still knitpack.html on the server. It would also be nice if there was a 301 redirect from knitpack.html to packrepo.html.\n Am I still connected?\n jelmer: re REJECT, possibly the XS-* field has to be installed in the archive, not only in incoming, for it to work; so try again tomorrow\n Peng: no :)\n That was weird.\n I lost my connection to the Internet, but the DSL light on the modem was still on. Then while I'm reconnecting to all the IRC networks, the last one, Freenode, recovers.\n Weird.\n not really...\n Yes it is.\n why?\n How can I get disconnected without either the modem or computer being aware of it?\n did you get a new IP?\n ah\n Nafallo: Nope. But since my account was shuffled around, I've stopped getting new IPs anyway.\n (The one time it's gone down since it was shuffled, anyway.)\n well, your PPPoE can disco without line-sync go down, and your computer is only aware of connectivity to the modem.\n as far as freenode go, you never reached the TCP timeout.\n Not PPPoE anymore. \"ENET ENCAP\".\n My hostname changed from saying \"dyn\" to \"dhcp\" and now I get crappier IPs.\n nice :-)\n I got a new modem too, because apparently mine should've burned out years ago. I'm still using the old one because I don't want the (minor) downtime. I was just about to switch it out before the connection started working again.\n Anyway, back on topic. Not like anything's happening...\n jelmer: ping\n hello, I checked out the ubuntu-hardy docs branch from LP... I then changed my \"name\" and \"Display Name\" in LP and I can no longer commit\n I think the local version is still using the old name\n is there a way to change that without re-downloading?\n Peng: which branch? the one took to hg? basically I'd like to know how we compare\n Peng: are we still so slow you would have moved?\n lifeless: Can you rebuild the docs? Or poke someone who can?\n I'll see what I can do\n Thanks.\n sommer: you probably want to use 'bzr bind' with your new username in the URL.\n james_w: ah... I'll try that\n Let's see how long it takes to extract a 1.3 GB .tar.\n Peng: obviously for these tests I want you to upgrade the branch to packs\n 1 minute and 3 seconds!\n james_w: genius that worked. Thank you very much\n Hmm. I had like 8 copies of the data, and removed all of it except for 1 copy (well, there are still 2 copies of the bzr repo), and it looks like I took the copy I was experimenting with with it.\n What makes something a shared repo vs. a non-shared repo? The presence of a branch in the same dir?\n .bzr/repository/shared-storage\n Ah.\n Bah, should've just checked.\n Now, let's see how long it takes to convert to packs.\n (even worse, pull into a new branch, building a new working tree)\n Think I have time to brush my teeth?\n Well, let's see if I can brush my teeth in time, then!\n BRB.\n Hmm. It might work well to use git for ~/local instead of bzr. Since it doesn't track renames, I don't have to try to.\n Wait, I do like being able to do renames, though.\n rofl\n I like being able to do renames when I want to, but I don't want to have to think about them when I don't.\n commit --automatic is what you want\n as we delete automatically today\n you can do:\n bzr add; bzr commit;\n and you'll get a new snapshot\n no thought.\n Oh, gosh. It only took 9 minutes.\n Now, why am I swapping so badly?\n Better now. I guess bzr had just used a lot of RAM.\n lifeless: Wow. 17 seconds user time. Slightly higher sys than with hg, I think. :P\n lifeless: Now, it's gotten larger since this old copy was made, so it would be slower (no idea how much), but if bzr was this fast in August, I never would've switched to hg.\n * Peng wanders off. Star Trek.\n Peng: cool\n Peng: btw, histor shouldn'y slow it down noticably for commits anymore, only total count of files/size of changed files.\n lifeless: Cool!\n lifeless: Same with hg.\n Meh. The problem with me is also that the files I'm committing keep getting larger, so even if history doesn't slow it down, the diffs will.\n * Peng wanders off.\n jelmer: btw, you were the second approver of my small patch to NEWS, maybe you could merge it? http://bundlebuggy.aaronbentley.com/request/<20071129185051.GA12330%40chistera.yi.org>\n lifeless: ping\n#bzr 2007-12-02\n abentley: pon\n So I started hacking on per-file base selection yesterday, and I found a locality-of-reference problem.\n ok\n The file content is stored in the versionedfile. The file type is stored in the inventory.\n So to do it absolutely correctly, I'd have to retrieve all the trees for the selected revisions.\n Because the selected revision may not be a file-- it may be a directory, symlink or tree reference.\n ok\n I see\n now, if the kind is the same on both tips\n does that make it easier ?\n In fact, we're already assuming it's a file on both tips. Otherwise, we wouldn't need a base at all.\n so if its the same on both tips\n 3-way merge says that if the base is a different kind\n -> we'd treat is as empty of the same kind ?\n Not quite. We'd still emit foo.BASE in the correct kind. But wrt the file merge, yes.\n now symlinks and dirs have an existing empty text for their revisions\n AFAIK, correct.\n So we can shortcut the kind check 99% of the time.\n so; and I realise this is hacky;\n if doing a 3-way custom base on two currently-file-texts, w.get_lines(custom_base) will give us [] when the kind has changed.\n I hate to have it shortcutted 99% of the time, though. It makes me fear the full path won't get adequately tested.\n are you doing custom bases for symlinks and dirs too?\n No. Those will get handled by the standard merger, which also handles inventory issues such as renames and executability.\n I don't think those things change enough to require the same care as text files.\n so I guess I'm saying; if we're only doing custom base on (text, text) pairs; and get_lines(custom_base) will always return a suitable set of lines, ([] when the common base has a different kind), then its not a shutcut situation\n By shortcut, I mean that we're avoiding retrieving the file kind from the relevant inventory.\n But in the case where it's [], we will have to do so.\n I don't see that we ever need the file kind for the base if the parents are both texts; other than to write foo.BASE.\n Right. But we will have to write foo.BASE.\n ok\n so lets look at that\n we write foo.BASE when we ended up doing a merge right\n Right.\n now, will we avoid doing 'merges' sometimes with custom file bases ?\n No, but if the BASE is not a file, we will do a two-way merge between THIS and OTHER.\n which is where [] is useful because it's just a clean degradde.\n A clean what?\n degrade\n it's what 3-way degrades too\n Okay.\n hmm, one sec local interrupt\n back\n wondering if we will ever get base == left or base == right with custom merge bases\n I think we can\n consider this\n at the graph level we have two lca's\n so we recurse\n its easy then for at the file level for one side to be purely an extension of the other for a single file\n so when we are considering that single file we'll not need to merge at all\n I'm going to think out lout now\n and enumerate what I think the possible cases are\n * Base is one side (common I suspect in criss-cross merges; many files won't be actually unmerges)\n * Base is the revision the graph level base had\n * Base is another inventory\n s/another inventory/from &/\n done\n abentley: ^\n buenas noches\n desde venezuela\n lifeless: I would expect base==left or base==right to be rare. But I would imagine we can get it. I'm not sure why it matters.\n We need a general solution.\n Sure, I can hack up something gross to do per-file bases, but I think you ought to consider how an upcoming repo format could give us cheap access to file kind, symlink target, and maybe execute bit.\n Right now, I'm re-implementing annotate merge, and it's going swimmingly.\n dato: resubmitting bzr-svn fixed it\n dato: your upload of 0.4.4-2 hadn't been processed yet, apparently\n jelmer: Have you noticed that the bzr-gtk test suite is completely borked if run as part of the bazaar test suite?\n abentley: I'm pretty sure I hit it all the time.\n abentley: anyhow, our current format can give use kind/target/execute quite cheaply\n abentley: just use the same parse-a-delta-fragment logic.\n Oy. Can't we do up a format where that works by design instead of being a tremendous hack?\n abentley: yes, both the ones poolie and I have been fiddling/mailing about will work by design\n Awesome.\n abentley: but they largely formalise useful properties we have been able to leverage from the current format.\n abentley: I have been thinking that content object information should be pushed down to the per file graph anyhow; as metadata on the node\n Well, I know the new format will do comparisons much faster, but that sounds like it would slow them down.\n abentley: I'm thinking some duplication actually\n abentley: but also there is locality of data possibilities.\n abentley: this would be a 2nd or 3rd iteration out.\n abentley: one possibility is:\n Oh, by \"pushing down\", I thought you'd be taking it out of the inventory.\n kind + exec + content in the 'knit'\n inventory has parent + name + pointer to the knit version\n 'knit' index can pull kind + exec into it.\n abentley: the open things in my mind about whether this makes sense are what datum we actually need at the same time\n For our tree-manipulation functions, we generally use inventory and file texts simultaneously.\n When building a tree, to create a file, we need file_id, name, parent, kind, execute bit, and content basically simultaneously.\n That's not a hard requirement. TreeTransform could work efficiently if you learned names, parents and file-ids in one pass, and everything else in a second pass.\n abentley: so its the case of status/diff when the last-mod is different and the value is the same that would be hurt\n abentley: -> how common is that\n (assuming we don't want false positives for st\n another possibility here though is to decouple the metadata graph from the content graph\n This is assuming we're not diffing against a DirstateRevisionTree?\n right\n So we wouldn't have the md5sum in the inventory?\n so you'd have (fileid, parentid, name, content-pointer[revid, validator]) as a graph\n and (kind, exec, content) as a graph\n I'm not sure at all how common that is. Merges can produce it, though.\n you'd have a sha1, but not of the lines, of the lines & kind and exec bit\n this would for instance, allow us to start only storing one copy of 'COPYING' etc, depending on how we want to take it.\n this is all still wildly speculative\n I don't think kind is a big concern. If it changes, we definitely need to get all the data.\n I dunno, though. I think having all the data in the inventory might well be a win.\n I'd like to be in a position to experiment\n Just because there are many operations that just want to know which files changed.\n write some arbitrary benchmarks outside bzr that simulate access patterns and the like\n maybe this is something we can reason about in march\n Also, some stats on real trees might help us answer these questions about what's common better.\n abentley: indeed. So having an analyser that can report what a transformed tree would look like would be good\n I'm not sure what you have in mind. The PreviewTree thing?\n nah\n just a script to take a branch\n and break it out into the things I'm talking about, without doing disk transformations, just in-memory, and report\n Oh, to simulate a changed repo format?\n right\n lifeless: what breaks about it?\n s/lifeless/abentley/\n ah, I see\n meh\n sorry about disappearing; what did I not respond to\n -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n 05:03:21 -!- lifeless [n=robertc@ppp245-86.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]\n 05:15:45 -!- lifeless [n=robertc@ppp245-86.static.internode.on.net] has joined #bzr\n Oops, got the trackbar.\n But yeah, nothing. :p\n thanks\n hello, I'm considering using bazaar for a project of mine... we're using subversion right now, because subversion is offered on Google Code, and Gna! (http://gna.org). Are there any free repository hosts that our GPL program can use (using bazaar)?\n alecwh, sure, https://launchpad.net/\n it also works as a bug tracker\n (and a bunch of other stuff)\n no way... it hosts a free bazaar repository? that's awesome.\n how do I set it up?\n https://code.launchpad.net/phpns/\n This is our project\n Register branch?\n alecwh, let me fetch you a how-to real quick\n Hmm. I just started using LP a bit. I should look into the launchpad plugin.\n alecwh, https://help.launchpad.net/FeatureHighlights/BazaarHosting might help a bit\n but you basically just push to the right address with bzr\n and the branch gets created\n the folks at #launchpad might be able to give you more details though\n it's a bit over 5am here, so I'm going to bed\n good luck :D\n ok, thanks a lot bueno. ;_\n ;)\n Might be even simpler using lp: URIs.\n New Pyrex release.\n How do I import a subversion repository into a bazaar repository?\n alecwh: You could use bzr-svn.\n what does that do?\n alecwh: bzr-svn can even allow pushing from bzr to svn. It's pretty neat.\n alecwh: Well, for one thing, it imports svn repos into bzr repos.\n yeah, that's what I'm looking for. =D\n how does that look like?\n the bash command.\n Not sure.\n \"bzr branch\" might do it.\n Read the docs.\n ok, thanks Peng. =)\n alecwh: www.bazaar-vcs.org/svn IIRC\n This page does not exist yet. You can create a new empty page, or use one of the page templates.\n lifeless: I got that error.\n alecwh: there is a link on it\n alecwh: to BzrSvn :)\n ok, thanks lifeless. I'll read over it.\n Hey there\n Tried to get things working with olive, but no dice/\n hey JordanC. =D\n JordanC: Define 'no dice'. :p\n Odd_Bloke: It didn't work.\n Yeah, I got that much. :p I was hoping for something a little for specific. :D\n s/for/more/\n I came in here a while back, and yeah\n JordanC: Are you using Olive or bzr-gtk?\n I spoke to some developers, and they said that because of the SSH factor, I can't connect to launchpad using olive\n Ah, OK.\n Have you looked at QBzr?\n Hmm, lesee\n KDE Bazaar proggy?\n JordanC: http://bazaar-vcs.org/QBzr\n no, in two ways\n Qt, not KDE.\n not a program, not kde\n Damnit\n yo\n is there a way to get more easy to parse output from bzr ?\n (im parsing the status output for an ide, an its really tricky to get it together atm)\n ronny: There's an xmloutput plugin, I believe.\n ronny: https://edge.launchpad.net/bzr-xmloutput\n ronny: Which IDE were you thinking of?\n luks: I'm looking at your patch more carefully now.\n thanks :)\n I think a nicer way to extract the name would be to have a pattern that only matches if there's \"name \", and if it fails to match, just return the original string.\n Odd_Bloke: pida\n well, I think returning \"email\" from short_author is better than \"\"\n unless you want to match \"(name )?\", which is exactly what the patch does\n I think that's highly unlikely.\n Odd_Bloke: right now we parse the command output, cause the subsystem for python-api based vcs tools is basically nonexistant\n abentley, \"\" is the use case from the bug report\n the bad thig is - we get wrong data sometimes, but cant figure the exact source, cause the bzr output aint nice to parse (so the parser is tricky)\n Also, I don't know if lazy_regex was meant to be used in new code.\n I thought it was just to make existing code faster.\n And I really doubt there's a performance win by using it.\n but what's the point of compiling a regular expession you are not going to use\n sure, it's not a big win, but there is a lot of small things like this\n There's no win, there's loss in compiling a regular expresion. I was talking about not compiling at all.\n hm? you mean parsing the string manually?\n no, just using re.match\n that compiles it every time you use it\n Right.\n so about 3k times for log on bzr\n actually its cached\n luks: I really doubt that performance difference is observable.\n the more often a re is used, the more sense it makes just to compile it\n but the difference is only small, cause all re's u use are cached in re._cache\n abentley, I mean, bzrlib already has code to delay regex compilation, pre-compiled regex is faster than re.match, there is a patch that use it -- why make is slower? even if the difference is small\n Because it's clearer to just write re.match\n Takes fewer lines. Doesn't require people to grok lazy_regex.\n hmm - how does lazy_regex work ?\n compiles the regex when it's first used\n *first time\n im more intrested how the store works\n cause i doubt it has any notable gain compared to re.match\n ronny: It allows the \"lazy_compiled\" patterns to be substituted for really compiled patterns-- that's what it's for.\n So you can fix import slowness without rewriting the module.\n \"import slowness\" ?\n regexes that compile at import time reduce cause latency problems for programs like Bazaar.\n You run bzr, it imports a whole bunch of modules, they compile a whole bunch of regexes, and then, finally, it starts doing what you asked.\n hmm - why do you guys need so many regexes ?\n The libraries we import need them.\n (well, they *have* them. *need* is debatable)\n btw - any timeframe when bzr will be as fast as hg ?\n For example ConfigObj has regexes that produce a noticeable compile delay.\n ronny: It depends what you're talking about. With the packs format, commit speed is pretty similar. With the smart server, pull time is similar.\n status has been comparable for some time now.\n ah - so its mostly cause bzr has tonns of other operation modes ?\n Well, it depends what operation you want to speed up.\n all i care for is fast sync and fast commit\n I think 1.0 will give you that.\n hmm - i didnt exactly use bzr for quite some time\n does it still try hide the existence of multiple heads (for example by allways enforcing merges)\n I think we've got the pieces in place to support good performance for most commands.\n I don't know what you mean by hiding the existence of multiple heads.\n But in some cases, the commands must be updated to take advantage of them.\n last time i used it it dodnt allowme to hae multiple heads in my repo\n Repositories typically have many heads due to people uncommitting revisions.\n But we don't have multiple heads for a single branch. Instead we allow multiple branches per repository.\n hmmk - thats a problem for me\n Why?\n enforces me to split one semantical branch into multiple branches if more than one person is working on that\n No, they can use heavyweight checkouts.\n ronny: That's what you're doing with multiple heads anyways...\n That lets them commit locally.\n And then sync up with the main branch when they're ready.\n damn - how many modes of operation does bzr have ????\n We support a range from svn-like to fully distributed.\n hmm - having too many choices tends to be confusing\n Well, we have three: a \"tree\" has a branch and working copy at the same location. A \"heavyweight checkout\" has a branch in one location and the working copy is at different location, but has a local copy of the branch to act as cache. A lightweight checkout is like a heavyweight checkout with no local cache.\n I just created a bazaar branch at launchpad (https://code.launchpad.net/~alecwh/phpns/devel), and now I want to upload my project (which is in /var/www/devel) to the repository. In the terminal, my working directory is /var/www/devel, and I gave the command: bzr push bzr+ssh://alecwh@bazaar.launchpad.net/~alecwh/phpns/devel , but it doesn't seem to be working. I get the error: bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: /var/www/devel/ , can anyone help me upload\n cd /var/www/devel; bzr init; bzr add; (check if it added only files you want); bzr commit\n and then you can use bzr push\n http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.0.92/en/mini-tutorial/index.html#putting-files-under-version-control\n ok, I'll try that. will 'bzr add' add every single directory and file inside /var/www/devel?\n moin\n moin?\n alecwh: yes, add adds recursively, obeying your ignore rules\n thanks lifeless. I've got one more question: when I was using svn, every 'commit' you made actually uploaded your changes to the online repository. Is this not the case with bazaar?\n alecwh: if you have a checkout it acts like svn\n a checkout?\n alecwh: that is, if you do 'bzr checkout bzr+ssh://alecwh@bazaar.launchpad.net/~alecwh/phpns/devel local-dir-name'\n then you can cd local-dir-name, and do\n that will download the project, right?\n 'bzr commit', which will commit back to bzr+ssh://alecwh@bazaar.launchpad.net/~alecwh/phpns/devel, just like svn\n oh.\n alecwh, or, when you want to send all your commits, just use \"bzr push\"\n alecwh: if you have a separate 'branch' though, then your commits are performed just on your machine\n ok, that makes sense.\n https://code.launchpad.net/~alecwh/phpns/devel\n (when using branches instead of checkouts)\n I just finished uploading everything...\n alecwh: and then when you want them to be in bzr+ssh://alecwh@bazaar.launchpad.net/~alecwh/phpns/devel, you do 'bzr push bzr+ssh://alecwh@bazaar.launchpad.net/~alecwh/phpns/devel' (bzr will remember the push location the first time, so you don't need to type it every time0\n how do I make it so every time I 'commit' it will update this repository?\n alecwh: bzr bind bzr+ssh://alecwh@bazaar.launchpad.net/~alecwh/phpns/devel\n ok lifeless, that worked. =D\n I was using 'cia.vc', which puts a bot inside your channel on freenode, and then it will post a message inside the channel whenever a commit/change is made. Is there something like this for bazaar?\n alecwh: there is a plugin for bzr to announce to cia\n alecwh: you can also subscribe to the branches on launchpad\n alecwh: or install bzr-email to send emails to arbitrary email address's on commits\n ok, cool. Do you know what the plugin was called? I'm just looking for it...\n http://www.google.com/search?q=bzr+cia&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a\n 3rd and 4th hits look relevant to me\n https://launchpad.net/bzr-cia\n lifeless, uhm, how do I get the plugin? =P\n alecwh, with bzr, of course :D\n https://code.launchpad.net/~jelmer/bzr-cia/main\n is this the one I'm looking for?\n alecwh, yeap\n bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jelmer/bzr-cia/main?\n use that command?\n alecwh, yeah, you download it with that command\n ok, done. =D\n I think I got it now\n now, follow the instructions in: https://launchpad.net/bzr-cia\n success; we have a 1.0 build on dapper-amd64\n i386 testing now\n brb foodstuff time\n jelmer: very well\n jelmer: btw, I guess there is no way to convert from svn a trunk and a branch, if I somehow say which revisions from the trunk are merges from the branch, right?\n dato: only if you can go back in history and set some magic svn properties\n jelmer: can I a dump of the repository, load it locally, set the properties there, and redump? that ought to work?\n dato: yes, but you would want to change the uuid\n ok. is there a document explaining what properties I should set?\n and pulling from the original in the future may be problematic\n http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrForeignBranches/Subversion/mapping\n basically, you'd want to set the bzr:ancestry:vX-SCHEME property\n dato: is it really worth doing? why not just do a merge after the conversion?\n jelmer: it's a one-time conversion\n lifeless: I seem to find a strange pleasure fiddling with the tools.\n dato: :)\n jelmer: ok, thanks for the link. I'll try to do it. also, I svn-import trunk didn't work for me yesterday, but the packaged version worked fine. I'll try again tomorrow. finally ;), changing the UUID is just a matter of editing the dumpfile by hand, or?\n dato: the trunk branch for bzr-svn is highly experimental\n dato: 0.4 is the branch that is packaged\n dato: yep, editing the dumpfile should be all that's needed to change the uuid\n lifeless: What do you consider a good way to decide if something should be a separate module or not?\n I was expecting plan_merge to be bigger than it is, which is why I originally did it.\n abentley: I don't have a good rule; sometimes I get there and combine; sometimes I start in the same module and split.\n wtf ? test_revision.TestIsAncestor.test_is_ancestor is failing just under the comment:\n # NB: if you see an assertion error here, its probably access against\n # an unlocked repo. Naughty.\n I guess by analogy, I'd think if merge3 has its own module, then annotate merge can have one, too.\n the problem is I'm working on http response parsing rewrite and I can't find any link >-/\n Worse, the same test on bzr.dev@3059 fails too, midnight bug ?\n and on top of that, I see (when doing bzr missing in my bzr.dev branch) revno: 3061, deprecate bzrlib.revision.is_ancestor\n Ran 9939 tests in 437.020s\n FAILED (failures=1, known_failure_count=5)\n bah, time to sleep anyway, a bit frustrating though\n not failing anymore in bzr.dev@3065... at least....\n jelmer: where is bzr-gtk for 1.0 ?\n abentley: oh it can have one if you think it should; I was asking the question.\n Sure, and I've actually decided to move them into versionedfile and merge.\n Just because there's so much related stuff in those modules.\n lifeless: phanatic is doing release management these days, I'll ping him by email\n#bzr 2008-11-24\n jelmer, duck branches :p\n good work btw\n hi pygi :-)\n Thanks :-)\n pygi: Duck branches ? What does the duck refer to?\n jelmer, It can swim on water, and it can walk on ground. Users who don't use the plugin see only one branch, and others can see the whole thing :P\n bzr duck create\n bzr duck remove\n bzr duck [branch] (switches to branch)\n bzr duck (lists branches)\n so obviously, argument to create and remove is [branch] too :)\n o, and bzr duck [branch] asks you if you want to create branch if it doesn't exist\n pygi: :-) I like the name\n jelmer, good, so you'll take it? :p\n we need to make this bzr thingy more fun, perhaps more people will use it then :D\n I'm having a hard time convincing O'Reilly that it's worth to do a book on bzr :(\n pygi: yeah, I think so\n pygi: :-(\n what bit is the problem? Are the other books on VCS not doing well?\n jelmer, actually, they only want to do book on most popular DVCS :/\n and that is Git ...\n Andy said that if I can show him that every version of bzr gets downloaded 80000 times per version, he might be able to convince his bosses...\n but I can't do that, so :P\n (some other publishers are interested tho ... but O'Reilly is O'Reilly)\n Did you look at ubuntu popcon?\n yup ...\n 20745 downloads of bzr\n 41440 downloads of git-core\n that's 1:2 ratio\n at debian, ratio is 1:6 ...\n a 1:2 ratio isn't that bad, if the downloads are apparently high enough for O'Reilly\n *downloads for git\n I think they have the source tarball download number for git ...\n not sure\n but yes, they're doing git book\n There's more publishers than O'Reilly out there though...\n yup, I know\n already got offer from one, waiting on others\n we were pretty happy with PH when we published the Samba HOWTO\n I don't have any contacts with PH ...\n So far we've got offer from Packt Publishing, and I think we have good chances with Manning\n Pragmatic said they'll contact us in two weeks\n jelmer, if you know someone in PH ... :)\n I can check, but I don't think I do anymore\n my only contact (our editor) has switched jobs since the book was first published\n aha, don't worry then ;)\n nice work jelmer\n so bzr is claiming to be unable to load the paramiko module. Is this a known issue, or how could i diagnose it? (bzr from the repo, paramiko v1.7.4)\n chandler1: does \"python -c 'import paramiko'\" work nicely?\n nope\n chandler1, sudo apt-get install python-paramiko then?\n james_w: ImportError: No module named Crypto.Util.randpool\n not on a debian system\n aha ...\n but my package manager says the version is 1.7.4\n well,whatever the system ..\n hm.\n chadmiller, locate randpool\n chadmiller, tell me what you get\n pygi: was that for me?\n ups, yes chandler1 :)\n and if so, no locate, what area would it be in so i can do a relatively fast find?\n /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/Crypto/Util/randpool.py\n and\n /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/Crypto/Util/randpool.py\n ahh\n its in 2.4, but not 2.5\n ok, you're missing symlinks then :)\n sudo dpkg-reconfigure python-crypto would fix that if you were on debianish system :)\n ;]\n i'm on gentoo\n uh xD\n you know how to do symlink manually then I guess :p\n * pygi hides\n chandler1, does it work now?\n pygi: i know about symlinks... =p\n my lack of knowledge centers firmly on python at the moment. =D\n * pygi notes this errors for \"Lets troubleshoot\" section of the book :p\n hehe\n apparently there is a nifty tool that may help here, python-updated\n python-upder\n :: sigh :: spelling ftl\n can you use bzr to push data from a .bzr directory to an svn vise versa ?\n c0mpub0mb, bzr-svn?\n pygi: do you use bzr-svn ?\n I used to, why?\n pygi: how do i use it ?\n chandler1, that tools seems to be used only in gentoo?\n pygi: yes, its specifically to help moving modules between python versions\n pygi: if it doesn't work, i'll do it manually, or beat on the package manager until its fixed\n c0mpub0mb, http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.dev/en/user-guide/index.html#id72\n this might explain it better then me in a sentence or two :)\n chandler1, oki, please do let me know if it works\n it's being slow, surely its doing something productive. ;]\n :P\n lame, didn't work\n is this part of pycrypto or paramiko?\n pycrypto\n brilliant, i lied, python-updater worked perfectly\n =]\n thanks btw, pointed me at the right spot right off the back\n how rude, lying :P\n most welcome\n what do you think of recently introduce local branches plugin btw?\n *cough* duck branches *cough*\n s/introduce/introduced/g\n pygi: does bzr support private repo's with user priviliges ?\n you could do something with ssh keys, sure\n pygi: so it doesn't have the kind of user control as svn ?\n you mean authz file?\n no, it doesn't\n Adam Olsen is working on a nifty tool that would allow you to have something like that\n but you'll still require ssh keys\n pygi: was that aimed at me? and if so, what local branches plugin?\n chandler1, yes, at you :)\n jelmer released a plugin that adds the ability to have git-like branches\n pygi: interesting\n i'll have to read up on it to give a competent opinion\n chandler1, oki, its on mailing list\n ok\n c0mpub0mb, any more questions?\n hi hi fta\n I remember someone in here mentioning to me some tool that allowed me to batch build/upload to different ubuntu releases on launchpad. Did I imagine that?\n autoppa\n Oh, hooray.\n Thank you.\n bzr-svn: Depends: bzr (< 1.8~) but 1.9-1~bazaar1~gutsy1 is to be installed <----- frowny face.\n awmcclain, yea, hasn't been updated yet\n bzr-svn should probably be removed from the ppa, at least while the package is not maintained\n jelmer, probably, yes\n is bzr-svn no longer being maintained?\n chandler1: it's quite actively maintained, by jelmer\n ok, was confused, prob just the packaging thats not\n (a statement by jelmer a couple of hours ago)\n The packaging is regular irritant, yeah :(\n * jml hands spiv 0x88\n * jml takes that back and passes spiv 0x58\n spiv: use that, or 0x78\n ok, ok.01011000\n jml: :)\n hi all\n Ug. I'm sorry if this is OT, but I'm trying to get autoppa to work on the console and it's dying when it asks for my passphrase in order to sign the package (since I don't have Seahorse installed). Anyone know how to pre-cache my passphrase using gpg-agent or something?\n jelmer: I've had some trouble getting the 0.5 branch of bzr-svn to work ; first, the minor change of having to replace the substitute header file includes. After it compiled though, I am getting errors\n http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/76319/\n It does mystify me slightly why the plugin is doing anything at all when doing `bzr version`\n If your bzr install exists in a branch, \"bzr version\" will open it up so it can display the basic details. bzr-svn is involved while it's probing to see which format the branch uses.\n Peng_: It's not a branch\n Neither is the plugin\n But that would seem to be the source of the problem\n Meh, it seems to be fetching data from a public SVN repo just fine. Trust me to pick the one command that makes it go \"bang\"\n Aha, not the only command that makes it go \"bang\" then\n Same error from a \"branch\"\n It manages to grab the revision metadata\n jelmer, poke\n Hi ! How can I get information from bzr update which file exactly it gets \"bzr: ERROR: [Errno 13] Permission denied\" ?\n Patching the source to report it in the traceback or you could use Sysinternals filemon (you seem to be on Windows)\n matkor: Vista or XP?\n linux :)\n If it is a local file, strace can help you.\n E.g. \"strace -e trace=file -o strace.log bzr update\" and have a look towards the end of strace.log when that finishes.\n There might be a more-to-the-point solution within bzr, though; the strace log will be quite verbose.\n Sod's law says which ever machine I have IRC open on, it will be the wrong one\n Must install an IRC proxy sometime\n Anyways, using bzr shelve in cygwin w/ 1.8 I get \"bzr: ERROR: Failed removing shelved changes from theworking (sic) tree!\"\n Any ideas? Google did not help me much\n http://pastebin.com/m234d816b\n I wonder what bzr command it's trying to execute at that point?\n VSpike, do you have diffutils installed?\n pygi: I definitely have patch.exe .. let me check exactly\n VSpike, and see if it accepts \"--dry-run\"\n pygi: yep, I have diffutils, patch and patchutils\n which, bzr shelve?\n no,patch\n pygi: yes it does\n do you have binary files?\n pygi: \"bzr shelf list\" shows the patches, and \"bzr shelf show 00\" shows the contents OK\n pygi: these aren't binary files, no\n VSpike, open shelf.py\n lets try something ...\n hm, or rather not\n * pygi thinks\n I'm going to have to do it the manual way I think\n i.e. just copy the current files to a \"saved\" dir somewhere and revert :)\n VSpike, nah, lets figure it out\n could you paste complete output pls?\n http://rafb.net/paste\n Cos I also realised the changes I need to shelve span a couple of commmits - they are not just in this revision\n But yeah could spend a couple of mins on it to investigate if you like :)\n thanks VSpike :)\n So you want me to bzr shelve the file and paste the complete output?\n yup, obviously :)\n http://rafb.net/p/VOwv1b50.html\n I just created a simple test case and it works\n So it's not universally broken\n but its broken on certain use-cases...\n Wondering what it could be. Doing two files at one? Files not in root? The fact that ~/projects is a symlink?\n VSpike, well, did you try one file?\n try it\n (I know I'm bugging, please bear with me)\n Ah, it appears to be the subdirectory\n I tested a single file, still broken\n I tried navigating to the location without using the symlink, still broken\n Tried shelving a change in the root project folder, it works\n right, so it only allows to shelve what's in the project root...\n that's evil behaviour...\n just testing with my simple test case\n Oh\n Hm\n It works in the test case :)\n vila, what works?\n I created a sub dir, add a file, committed, edited the file, and tried shelving the change\n worked fine\n so hm, whats wrong here ...\n VSpike, would you be willing to try a little hack?\n Could it be because they are sometimes unicode files?\n They usually don't contain anything other than a start record\n The rest is normally ascii\n pygi: I was thinking of editing ~/.bazaar/plugins/bzrtools/patch.py to log/dump command line\n VSpike, we pretty much know what the command line is\n pygi: what were you going to suggest?\n editing ~/.bazaar/plugins/bzrtools/shelf.py\n and change:\n if reverse:\n args.append('-R')\n to:\n if reverse:\n args.append('-R -d=yoursubdir')\n ergh\n args.append('-R -d yoursubdir')\n pygi: that code is not in mine\n VSpike, in def _run_patch ?\n It's in patch.py\n ah, ok, patch.py then\n sorry\n yoursubdir is the full path or relative one?\n relative should work\n * pygi is mostly shooting in the dark, never had this problem :p\n Relative from project root I take it?\n I wonder if the code should apply --binary on cygwin?\n VSpike, yup, project root\n VSpike, I'm not sure if that'd had any effect, considering test case does work ...\n but you could try patching sources to do it...\n yeah, that fixes it :)\n VSpike, what, the binary thing, or the \"-d\" ?\n is there any way to get bzr shelve to show colored diffs? (bzr shelve is a complete revelation by the way - amazingly useful!)\n why is it called shelve1 though? is there a new shelve2 coming?\n thrope: strangely, it does show coloured diffs for me\n pygi: the binary thing\n oh - I saw the no-color option in the help but I don't get colored diffs\n VSpike, could I now convince you to file a bug, and assign me to it?\n Sure. Where do bugs for bzrtools go?\n pygi: the reason my test case worked is possibly because I used cygwin tools to create it\n VSpike, yup, mention all that in a bug :)\n VSpike, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzrtools\n mario-danic\n thrope, does bzr cdiff works for you?\n pygi: yep, works fine\n thrope, what bzr/bzrtools version?\n bzr 1.9, bzrtools 1.9.1\n shelve is an alias to shelve1 for me\n yea, its the old shelve ..\n how do I get the new one?\n its in the mainline perhaps?\n not sure\n thrope, sudo apt-get install colordiff?\n but I think you already have that..\n VSpike, thanks for submitting bug when you do btw ;)\n and thanks for investigating it\n shelve2 is in bzr.dev now I think\n I've seen at least a couple of commits for it\n pygi: done\n Can you check the report contains all you need?\n VSpike, yes, moment pls:)\n #301639 in case your email is slow\n no probs - going to go back to doing what I was doing before :)\n VSpike, have fun ;)\n VSpike, ah, you have bzr 1.8 ... perhaps that's why you still have colored shelve\n VSpike, bug report is perfect, thank you :)\n pygi: yeah, cygwin always seems to lag a version or two\n pygi: yw\n * pygi goes back to sleeping :p\n Not sure why the patch command works without --binary in one direction and not the other\n And also not sure why it passed on another windows generated file when I tested it\n VSpike, this is a pretty safe-failover I'd say, so we don't have to break our heads on it :P\n pygi: agreed, it's the right thing to do anyway, I think\n * pygi nods\n I hate thinking about line endings in cygwin anyway. I just close my eyes and hope it works, mostly\n VSpike, its a pretty rare bug ...\n only two known occurances so far\n probably worth grepping the source for other cases where sys.platform is tested against win32 and not cygwin and checking they are correct\n Oh, while your about it, can you fix the missing space in the error message? :)\n s/your/you're/\n sure sure\n hehe thx\n * pygi writes that down somewhere\n echo \"TODO: fix space in error message\" > /dev/null ;)\n :p\n it's the only task manager you need\n my head still serves me, so I'm fine :p\n ok, can I go to sleep now or is there anything else I can help you with? :)\n Nope, sleep away :) Thanks for the help\n no,thank YOU!\n laters\n awww\n awilkins, poke\n awilkins, no, no own implementations of pull/push/whatever\n bzr can only access branches that are url-addressable\n awilkins, we can probably do a workaround for it to work on Win once its more then proof of concept\n awilkins, third, as jelmer said, plan is to move infrastructure for it in core\n awilkins, and what do you have against ducks? :p\n I find they keep acting like a goose! ;)\n pygi: hi\n awilkins: hi\n py23\n oops :)\n awilkins: still there?\n hi markh :-)\n hi jelmer :) You've been busy :)\n I was a bit disappointed by how little work the local-branches stuff was\n It's less then 200 lines of code, so I regret not writing it earlier\n heh - everything seems so much simpler the more experienced you get at doing it :)\n jelmer: can you create local-branches of remote branches, if you know what I mean?\n pickscrape: not directly\n That would be useful. You could then add a command to allow you to 'pull-all' or similar.\n pickscrape: You'll get that for free once this is all a bit more integrated in the bzr core\n (including pulling of multiple branches)\n sweet :)\n it'll require a new bzrdir format though, so that means upgrading existing bzrdirs\n jelmer: Hi\n awilkins: you were having trouble building 0.5 ?\n jelmer: I had to put back stdbool.h\n (the included one)\n jelmer: After that it builds, but doesn't work for me\n Did you get the trace off the pastebin\n awilkins: We should probably fix the include path instead to use subvertpy\n jelmer: Yes, that would work (pardon my complete C-noobness)\n I tried to learn C when I was a teenager but the lack of cheap textbooks and no internet rather killed that before it started\n awilkins: do you perhaps have subvertpy installed manually as well?\n jelmer: I think I used the script but I had to copy the pyd files manually\n I'll check and see if there is an egg-info\n speaking of jelmer... how much do you know about the FTP spec? It seems our FTP \"readv\" support is basically just read the whole file and extract the bits we need.\n It might be nice to actually use whatever partial-read support is available from FTP\n jam: Yeah, that seems to be the main downside compared to sftp atm :-(\n which is a rather large one :)\n awilkins: the pyd files should end up in bzrlib.plugins.svn.subvertpy, not in subvertpy at the top-level\n jelmer: Ah, so subvertpy shouldn't be a package on it's own then\n I just tripped an assertion in 0.4 as well\n * awilkins is a pita\n Hi all. How can I find the revision where a file was removed?\n CardinalFang: You have to run the whole log in verbose mode to do so\n You must be the 4th person to ask in here at least\n Someone put it in the FAQ!\n :) I am asking as the proxy for someone else in my org.\n Maybe there are others here.\n * CardinalFang waves!\n I don't suppose \"-m FN\" will work.\n CardinalFang: I don't think so. It's fairly easy to modify the log command to list the revisions a file participates in if you know it's file-id, but alas, deletion is now one of the ways a file particicpates in a revision due to the way that invent\n ories work\n *not one of the ways\n * CardinalFang writes some sed to print the log.\n hi\n is there any problem in rich-root -- push --> non-rich-root?\n verterok: yes, there is\n LarstiQ: it can be done? or is a one way conversion?\n verterok: can't be done\n jelmer: LarstiQ: thanks a million!\n LarstiQ: While you're here... I'm considering adding /etc/init.d/bzr file to start the readonly smart server\n does that sound sensible?\n jelmer: what will it read from?\n jelmer: And I'd disable starting it by default.\n jelmer: other than that, I'm missing context :)\n LarstiQ: yeah, it would require some variables in /etc/default/bzr\n (directory to share and enable/disable)\n * LarstiQ nods\n jelmer: how about when people want to share multiple directories? SOL?\n They'd just have to add symlinks/bind mounts inside the directory they're sharing\n does that work? :)\n there's only a single namespace anyway\n bind mounts definitely work, not sure about symlinks\n * LarstiQ is thinking of branches symlinked into that namespace, and their repository being outside of it\n I'm rather sure that would break\n yeah, that would definitely break\n hmm, maybe wait till that happens and then note it\n jelmer: what protocols would it be reachable on?\n LarstiQ: just bzr://\n it'd just run \"bzr serve ...\"\n hmja\n jelmer: if it's disabled by default, why not\n jelmer: svn-push is the right command to use to push a new branch, right?\n LarstiQ: yep\n jelmer: morning\n jfroy|work: hi\n So my patch has allowed me to bypass the bad properties (which I cannot remove) by globally changing the bzr-svn prefix. That's a hack of course, but the next course of action would be to add a new property, bzr:prefix-override, which could be set on the root directory of an svn branch, which bzr-svn would read first and act accordingly. Or perhaps it would be better to have that as a repository option in subversion.conf for example.\n jelmer: you might need more information for #301763 ?\n * LarstiQ goes home\n LarstiQ: can you perhaps print the variables in that assert?\n jelmer: sure\n jelmer: except, I shut down that machien leaving work, and from another machine I don't get the assert (still diverged branches though)\n LarstiQ: any particularly interesting messages in ~/.bzr.log ?\n jelmer: hmm, Guessed repository layout: TrunkLayout(0), guess layout to use: CustomLayout(['branches/spitfire/spitfire5'],[]) maybe\n Bundle Buggy's queue has gotten a bit long.\n jelmer: after that, it's just the DivergedBranches error\n 'pull -d' is awesome\n more commands should support -d though\n yes, they should\n although I'm not sure what `bzr init -d a b` would do\n i think that init and init-repo can probably get away without it\n (i guess init -d a b should create a branch at b/a?)\n um a/b\n I suppose so\n but i don't think it's a good idea :)\n mwhudson: any other commands that should not have a -d?\n LarstiQ: actually, further to init, it's not really clear how it would interact with commands that also take a relpath\n like 'add'\n or 'revert', which is actually what i wanted it for\n i don't think 'alias' needs it ;-p\n haha :)\n anybody know if it's possible to see if a branch has been updated (i.e. there's something to pull) without doing a pull?\n bzr missing\n pickscrape: thanks\n now I need like muli-missing :-)\n *multi-missing\n hey guys, I'm trying to find the equivalent of \"hg addremove\" in bzr - that is autodetecting a file move\n but I don't seem to be able to find the right keywords for google and the help system :/\n I think there was a plugin that can do that\n dwt: what exactly does addremove do?\n you could just `bzr add`, but then it wouldn't actually store a move\n just a remove and an add\n well the thing about addremove is that it autodetects any moves that did happen\n which it can also do based on similarity (configurable) and in a demonstration mode so one can see what it detected but it doesn't record it in the repo\n right\n dwt: http://bzr.oxygene.sk/bzrbrowse.cgi/bzr-plugins/automv\n it works only for files, though, not directories\n well thats a start\n thanks\n Ooh, my weird error pulling one branch has changed to a \"delta references to items not in its repository\" one. ...How do I solve that?\n Wow. There's a REALLY good article on bzr in Python Magazine this month.\n LarstiQ: were any properties changed in the revision that went kaboink?\n jelmer: only bzr revisions set by svn (the pushed revisions never existed in svn before)\n Uhm, another quick question: my autocompletion doesn't seem to work in \"bzr shell\" anymore\n is there a new configuratio option that I need to turn on?\n hi do people use rpush? i just tried push-and-update and you need to type password 3x each push :S\n mamatat_: I doubt it.\n that is, I doubt people use it.\n what rpush?\n mamatat_: I think it's likely it asks often :)\n * LarstiQ nods\n uh\n what is rpush?\n passwords? people still use those?\n mwhudson: rsync-based push\n IIRC\n oh right\n i thought that was rspush\n so i think i know the question (and i htink i have asked before), but i just want to be sure. Is there any current way to branch a subfolder of a bzr branch?\n I'm not getting this, there should be autocompletion in \"bzr shell\" right?\n the documentation seems to mention it - but whenever I type a \"tab\" it just shows up verbatim\n I'm on mac os x\n is this maybe a known bug?\n derekS: bzr split, but it won't save you any space (the branch will contain the history of the whole original branch)\n bob2: but logically it will make more sense right?\n does os x include readline?\n bob2: i don't have big repos, i use this as a personal system. I write tons of scripts for work and I modify them a lot, to the point where i ahve to versions\n *multiple versions\n jelmer: could you merge the fix attached to bug 215674, since you gave it a tweak?\n Launchpad bug 215674 in bzr \"uncommit needs an option for saving commit messages\" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215674\n poolie: sure, I'll have a look\n lifeless: hi\n poolie, lifeless: I'm still looking for feedback about https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/bazaar/2008q4/049564.html; some quick comments about it would be really appreciated.\n i'll look\n done\n poolie: Thanks!\n np\n i'd be interested to hear (maybe in the branch mixin rfc thread) about what would make our base classes easier to derive from\n I'll reply there as well, but in short: it's already very easy to derive from the base classes\n it would be nice to have get_inventory_xml() / get_revision_xml() and the like be specific to BzrBranch\n#bzr 2008-11-25\n ok\n jelmer: hi\n why isnt the bzr server at launchpad.net working\n it's not?\n is there a command to pull uncommitted changes from one working tree to another?\n say i started to make some changes and decided i should have made a branch\n my memory says yes, but not enough to find it in the docs.\n merge can\n you could also 'switch' that working tree to a branch\n bzr merge --uncommitted\n that's the one\n thanks\n o_O\n /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/Crypto/Hash/SHA.py:6: DeprecationWarning: the sha module is deprecated; use the hashlib module instead\n from sha import *\n /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/Crypto/Hash/MD5.py:6: DeprecationWarning: the md5 module is deprecated; use hashlib instead\n from md5 import *\n with bzr\n has this been fixed yet?\n Spaz: I think so; certainly bzr.dev seems to try hashlib first.\n Spaz: that looks like a problem in pycrypto, not bzr\n huh\n mwhudson wins today's prize for reading comprehension\n Arguably bzr should be suppressing all DeprecationWarnings.\n They aren't much use to end users, they're really messages to developers.\n So it'd be reasonable for \"bzr selftest\" to report them, but maybe nothing else should.\n (unless you look in ~/.bzr.log or pass a -Ddeprecations flag)\n * spiv finishes for the day\n hi all\n hello vila!\n hi poolie ! I thought you were already gone in vacations...\n i was yesterday, but just for one day\n haaaa, ok\n is there a book on bazaar?\n no\n Is somebody working on a book on bazaar?\n AfC: not that I'm aware of.\n hello folks, does bazaar provide a way for customized user permissions, like this is possible with svn?\n loxs: Execute bit has been supported since the beginning.\n loxs: are you looking for more than that?\n loxs: you mean access control on the repository itself?\n spiv: (oh, right)\n yes. the central one... I want to be able to give various users permissions to only commit code to a particular directory/file\n loxs: the simplest solution is to use ordinary user accounts and filesystem permissions to restrict write access per branch. (or per project, if you use a shared repository per project, as is common.)\n loxs: depending on what you're looking for, you *might* be interested in using a tool like PQM (https://launchpad.net/pqm) as a gatekeeper that vets commits to a central branch, e.g. to make sure all commits pass \"make check\"\n loxs: I don't know of any out-of-the-box ways to restrict write access of just particular directories/files within a branch. You could probably configure or extend PQM to do something like that, if PQM's workflow suits your use case.\n loxs: but it'd probably be simplest to make separate branches for those parts of your tree, and use regular filesystem permissions.\n If commits to the central branch are exclusively done over bzr+ssh, you could write a plugin for the server that installs a pre_change_branch_tip hook function to vet the commit.\n While a server-side pre_change_branch_tip hook should work well in theory, I don't think there's much infrastructure to make writing those sorts of hook functions convenient yet. (it's not well documented how to write a hook function that gets a list of files that are touched by the proposed revision, for instance)\n * spiv -> bed\n thanks folks\n hi, what's the difference between branch and checkout?\n lfaraone: the commands or the terms in general?\n luks: both.\n let's start with the terms first, then :)\n a checkout is the area you work with, it's basically the working tree with some local metadata\n every checkout is linked to a branch, and this branch can be either local or remote\n so that if you commit the working tree, it will update the linked branch\n and it's also possible to have 'bound branch', which is a branch that will update another remote branch on commit\n ah.\n so, when you run 'bzr checkout --lightweight', it will create a local checkout bound to a remote branch\n Now a more practical question: I'm trying to do work on a svn branch, but it has 6959\n revisions, and this is over ssh. can I check out the most recent rev?\n and 'bzr checkout' will create a local checkout, local branch and the branch is bound to another remote branch\n s/branch/repo/\n with bzr-svn?\n luks: yeah.\n then just 'bzr branch svn+ssh://host/path/to/svn/repo'\n (or whatever is the scheme svn uses for ssh named)\n luks: I don't want to download the complete branch history, I only need the most recent rev.\n luks: it's going to take an age that way.\n lfaraone: you can try 'bzr checkout --lightweight ...', but I doubt it will be any faster\n lfaraone: or just use svn, if you don't intend to commit to it :)\n luks: heh...\n bzr-svn needs to know the metadata about the whole history\n so at minimum that needs to be downloaded\n how do you want to use bzr with no history, though?\n why is it that sometimes I can just pull, and other times I have to pull and then update? (for source-level changes to be reflected in my working branch)\n that should only happen if you are pulling into a remote branch\n or if \"bzr pull\" crashes\n does it make a difference if I'm using bzr-svn?\n no\n how about olive?\n You use olive to pull, you mean?\n yes\n well, in this latest instance\n perhaps it's a bug in olive then\n I've had it happen before as well; can't remember whether I used olive on the previous occasions or not\n is there a way to tell bzr to \"destructively\" update my working tree? I mean, overwrite all the conflicts with the upstream branch?\n working tree or branch?\n working tree.... I don't want any conflicts. I just want to synchronise with the upstream branch\n what command did you run?\n (that produced the conflicts)\n bzr up\n oh, I don't know then\n I had changed files and I don't want the changes\n I think just bzr revert should do the job, but I don't use checkouts much, so Im not sure\n ah, you are right\n thanks\n asabil: hi\n hi jelmer\n asabil: What happened to your \"branch description\" patch?\n Did it make it in?\n I don't remember so\n that was over a year ago\n the main issue was that it was handled in the same way as branch nicks at that time\n nm, just found it: http://bundlebuggy.aaronbentley.com/project/bzr/request/%3C6b4de4d80709132323o2c9603ebscce92c066f473919%40mail.gmail.com%3E\n :)\n looks like it's mainly waiting for formatting fixes\n do you intend to finish it?\n jelmer: well I cannot promise anything\n slashdot.org\n oops\n vila: ping\n jam: pong\n How's it going?\n fine :)\n I BB:tweak'd your --forward patch\n And was wondering what you thought of the feedback\n About to call it a day, but deep into content conflicts while a bug bzr check is sucking my CPU cycles :)\n s/bug//\n Just a sec\n \"direction\" into 'get_view_revisions': I agree with your doubts, but the results are correct...\n as long as you have tested it directly I'm happy enough with that\n I can see how it would work because of the \"by-depth\" stuff\n but still, reverse_by_depth make heads explode when coding _:?\n otherwise, full agreement with the other remarks and thanks for catching them !\n This is where review rocks IME, you hack-hack-hack and the result becomes clearer... for the reviewer :)\n anyway, thanks for the review, I'll recheck filter_revisions_touching_file_id before submitting (playing with it right now for another need :)\n is cygwin the only way to allow windows machines to connect to bazaar repositories vie sftp?\n or ssh+bzr\n no\n loxs: If you have 'paramiko' installed we don't need cygwin at all\n (and it is bzr+ssh, for what it's worth)\n The standalone win32 installer should include paramiko\n Available here: https://edge.launchpad.net/bzr/1.9/1.9\n or as a direct link: http://edge.launchpad.net/bzr/1.9/1.9/+download/bzr-setup-1.9.exe\n is bzr-svn part of the windows installation now?\n Any bzr people who knows how to restore a branch when seeing \"Supplied history does not follow left-hand parents\" errors? splodge has a question on #launchpad...\n noodles_20: 'bzr reconcile' fixes it (albeit it also tries to fix a bunch of other stuff at the same time). I think you can also \"bzr push --overwrite .\" to have the local branch clean itself up. Though it also sounds like it is an older format branch, so \"bzr upgrade\" may be recommended.\n thanks jam.\n splodge: are you the same splodge from UDC forums?\n Yep\n sweet!\n * Tak <=\n * splodge feels popular all of a sudden.\n Tak: it should be in the newer installers, yes\n (only the all-in-one installer, not the \"install into an existing python install\")\n I'll give it a try, then - I've been sitting on bzr 1.4 because that was the latest one with a bzr-svn installer\n I think 1.7 has it, but I'm sure that 1.9 does as well\n bzr-svn does indeed appear to Just Work with the 1.9 win32 standalone installer\n has anyone ever seen this error: UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\\xae' in position 103: ordinal not in range(128)\n i am trying to pull\n derekS: Presumably you are updating to a revision which now includes a non-ascii character\n but your system claims that the filesystem doesn't support it.\n derekS: As part of the exception, I would expect us to report what we think fs_enc is\n do you see that line?\n I believe I've also seen at least something similar when fs_enc is UTF-8, but you have a file that is in latin-1 encoding\n we fail because we can't understand the filename, as it isn't actually valid given your fs_enc\n jam: checking\n not seeing it, i lost it in the scroll buffer when i looked at the bzr.log\n let me try to pull it again\n btw this is the cygwin build\n version 1.8\n how can you tell what repository is being accessed in a hook?\n derekS: cygwin only supports ASCII, so we can't add support for anything else on top of it\n I think there are some random patches out there to update cygwin to support utf8\n My suggestion would be to use the windows native build\n It is significantly faster because it doesn't go through the cygwin overhead\n (bzr status is 2s for me under cygwin, and 0.5s using the win32 native client)\n I generally use cygwin as a shell, and normally don't have problems running native bzr at the same time\n The only problems are when I would type ~/path/from/home since that breaks between win32 native and cygwin\n synic: usually the hook takes arguments that let you find out, which hook are you interested in?\n * mwhudson grrs at bzrlib's docstrings\n mwhudson: post_psuh\n er.. push\n synic: well push_result.source_branch.repository ?\n as in http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/en/user-reference/bzr_man.html#hooks\n thanks\n hi. bzr-svn + authentication? is there any trick to make that work?\n a post hook is supposed to run on the server if the connection was started with bzr+ssh, right?\n er,, a post_push\n I can't seem to get this one to work\n i think post_push is a client side hook\n hrmm\n post_change_branch_tip runs on the server though\n (pre_change_branch_tip too)\n alright\n is there any problem if I use one repository to store branches from different projects?\n loxs: no\n hsn_, so then it's ok if I give all my developers their own repository, and they can store all their branches from all our projects in that repository?\n loxs: yes. just `bzr check` operation takes some time on large repos\n thanks\n mwhudson: when printing branch.repository, I get KnitPackRepository('chroot-166445772:///send-admin/.bzr/repository/')\n how can I programatically get the \"send-admin\" from it?\n um, i guess from repository.transport.base\n (which i think will be the string 'chroot-166445772:///send-admin/.bzr/repository/'\n then parse it as a url, take the path and strip .bzr/repository off it\n synic: but mostly educatedly guessing here, not really sure\n yeah, that works\n but I have to use repo._transport\n is there a way to combine all your local branch commits into one commit, before doing a push\n Kobaz: well, i guess you can merge your new commits onto a fresh copy of the push target before you push\n that works\n Is there away to limit the amount of bandwidth bzr using when branching across a network?\n jam, spiv, call in a minute?\n hi hi\n anyone about? I've written a plugin to limit who can access a repository via bzr+ssh. Right now, an exception is thrown (errors.PermissionDenied) if the user doesn't have access, but it creates an InternalError on the client side\n is there a way to tell the server just to send something like: bzr: ERROR: Not a branch:\n synic: _usually_ a permissiondenied on the server side is correctly translated to one on the client side (these days)\n synic: can you pastebin the client side traceback?\n yeah\n http://rafb.net/p/bLjMHZ58.html\n synic: maybe check with spiv, but it looks like a bug\n well, it accomplishes the goal, but yeah, it does appear to the user as a bug within bzr\n and asks them to file a bug report\n probably because of how I designed the plugin\n synic: you might also want to try with a newer bzr client\n there have been related bugs fixed since 1.6.1 i think\n ah.\n well, all in all, though, that gitosis port works.\n cool\n synic: I'm pretty sure bzr.dev (and probably 1.9) will handle that better.\n yeah, trying it now\n bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: \"test\": : You do not have read access for this repository.\n yeah, that looks tons better\n cool\n thanks :)\n jelmer: have you had any luck yet with that bzr-svn bug (grub merge)?\n synic: you're welcome :)\n man, the bzrlib code is so cool ... compared to what I'm used to reading anyway. Hah.\n After a cvsps-import, I'm getting: bzr: ERROR: Revision {('cvs-1:lpsolit-20081021203555-abgb5fh0dqaorsib',)} not present in \"\".\n What's up with that?\n Anybody? :-) jam?\n I also get: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/bzrlib/lockable_files.py:110: UserWarning: file group LockableFiles() was not explicitly unlocked\n ping, lifeless?\n#bzr 2008-11-26\n mkanat: the warning is harmless\n mkanat: is that an imported branch on launchpad, or elsewhere?\n poolie1: Yeah, I figured.\n nekohayo: he's away this week probably\n poolie1: I imported it locally. The problem seemed to be that I was importing into a rich-root-pack repo.\n poolie: When I used the default repo type instead, it worked.\n poolie: It also could have been some old bug, since it was bzr 1.5.\n ok\n poolie: .... this \"week\"?! he leaves IRC on for weeks on end? :)\n oh well too bad I guess\n asac, hi\n asac, authentication should work out of the box with bzr-svn\n asac, http or https authentication doesn't work with bzr itself, so you may have to specify \"svn+http://\" or \"svn+https://\" to get it to bypass the standard bzr http transport.\n jelmer: oh. cool. thank you!\n Hi. You guys had any luck running a bzr smart-server on Vista?\n AFAIK the TCP server works fine. I think I recall hearing about someone using it over HTTP with NTLM auth at some point, I'm not sure which version of Windows though.\n Thanks. Strangest thing, Vista seems to be blocking the smart server. It allows Perl echo servers to run, and I can access bzr locally, but it doesn't show up over the netwoek. It is Vista that is doing something weird.\n grettke: try explicitly using the external IP address in the --port argument? e.g. --port 1.2.3.4:4155\n spiv: Will do.\n spiv: That does it. Why is this necessary? There is something with which I am not familiar because it didn't occur to me to bind it in that manner.\n (is that the IPv6 bug again?)\n grettke: (we had to do that, but in our case it was a problem of `bzr serve` not starting (blowing up) and this forced it to think of the address as IPv4 only which made it work right)\n grettke: good question, it might be to do with IPv6\n Or it might be that passing None as the host to Python's socket.listen method is choosing the wrong interface for some reason.\n grettke: it might be related to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/293697\n Ubuntu bug 293697 in bzr \"bzr serve shows error TypeError: not all arguments converted during string formatting\" [High,Confirmed]\n grettke: (this was on a Linux server, so even more tangential to what you're asking about)\n Hmm, actually, I don't think that's the bug I was thinking of.\n Ah, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/286871 is what I was thinking of. That's also what AfC is referring to.\n Ubuntu bug 286871 in bzr \"IndexError raising CannotBindAddress error starting bzr serve\" [Medium,Confirmed]\n spiv, AfC, ubottu: I had pretty much ruled out the router, the switch, the other computer, and even bzr since I can access from the server box itself, just not other computer; the last thing about which I wondered was whether or not I should disable IPv6 completely on the card.\n * AfC {chortle}s at the addressee list in the above line\n grettke: I imagine you can just specify a 4 byte IPv4 address as Andrew suggested and move on. I haven't the faintest whether Microsoft uses IPv6 internally in its operating system (if it did, then turning it off might make things go splat) or for the E.T. phone home \"feature\".\n Thanks everyone, now I can sleep well again; this has been a thorn in my side I tell you!\n grettke: you could try --port 0.0.0.0:4155 to further narrow down what's going wrong. If that works, it suggests that it's trying an IPv6 address.\n grettke: if it doesn't, it suggests for some reason passing None as the host is causing it to bind to the wrong interface (or perhaps simply that it's not binding to all interfaces).\n grettke: either way, a bug report with the details would be good I think.\n spiv: That does work: bzr serve --port 0.0.0.0:4155\n spiv: Will do.\n bye guys\n help? \"bzr: ERROR: [Errno 14] Bad address\"\n mtaylor: that's a new one\n mwhudson: well that's not what I want to hear . :(\n mtaylor: what were you doing?\n mtaylor: which version?\n mtaylor: and which OS?\n mwhudson: I get it doing just about anything - bzr diff , bzr commit\n spiv: opensolaris\n mtaylor: I think this may be a bug that was recently fixed in bzr.dev\n and version is...\n mtaylor: ah, yep, then it probably is that bug.\n spiv: 1.9\n ok\n phew. I'll just update then\n oh, the chdir('') one?\n that makes sense\n mwhudson: right\n mtaylor: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/297831 if you're curious\n Ubuntu bug 297831 in bzr \"EADDR inside pyrex readdir on x86 Solaris\" [Medium,Fix released]\n mtaylor: a workaround would be to delete the _readdir_pyx.so, although that will impact performance a bit\n * spiv heads off\n nah. I'm running a pre-release version of opensolaris anyway - I might as well upgrade bzr to bzr.dev :)\n spiv: thanks!\n mtaylor: :)\n * mtaylor stabs solaris in the face\n hi all\n (fullermd:) What's the deal with the new repo format, 1.9?\n What about it? It has a faster and more space-efficient index format.\n How would I use it?\n Is there documentation on it somewhere?\n If you don't need your repo to be compatible with bzr 1.8 or earlier, you'd run \"bzr upgrade --1.9\".\n Peng_: And how is 1.9 better?\n GPHemsley: Like I said, it uses a smaller and faster index format.\n GPHemsley: If your project is pretty small, it probably won't make a huge difference.\n hello, is there any installer that has \"everything included\" to install bzr with everything needed to be able to access ssh+bzr repositories from windows?\n Can't the Windows installer do that?\n Though you might want to install putty anyway.\n * Peng_ leaves. Sorry, but I don't know much about Windows anyway.\n well, I installed bzr and it tells me that ssh+bzr is illegal protocol\n sounds like a serious bug in the installer\n is it possible the reason to be that I previously had python installed?\n well, I uninstalled python and installed a \"fresh\" copy... and it still can't connect to ssh+bzr repositories\n I installed the latest version from 1.7 series. Now it doesn't tell that it's illegal protocol, but the connection times out\n and there is no networking problem, because I can connect via putty without any problems\n same with 1.8 series :(\n OK, it's possible I'm doing it wrong\n is bzr co bzr+ssh://user@some.address.com/some/directory/ valid syntax?\n luks, any idea?\n loxs[]: yes, it's a valid syntax\n no idea about the problem though\n it would be probably useful to file a bug report\n yes, now I'm searching for a similar thing\n the problem is that I can't provide any useful information :)\n and I am not sure that something is not wrong with my settings\n my windows I mean (i have no windows knowledge)\n poolie1: lifeless: My ~bzr membership is about to expire, the emails keep telling me to poke one of you about it. :)\n What it means: Contents conflict in ?\n How can I resolve it ?\n ah bzr mv ...\n hi everyone\n matkor: \"bzr help conflicts\" might be helpful\n i have to \"split\" a bazaar repository into three parts: a big repository should be split into three smaller ones (due to some changes in our company). is this possible?\n skam: If your big repositories contains 3 independents projects, yes. You can create one repository by project, and pull all project branches in their specific repo\n s/big repositories/big repository/\n im using ftp (vsftpd) to push, however .bzr dir umask is shown as \"drwx------\", and i cannot clone because of \"bzr: ERROR: Transport error: Server refuses to fulfill the request (403 Forbidden)\" message.\n hiredman, any plan to update bzrtools in jaunty ? bzr is stuck to 1.6.1 instead of 1.9 because of this.\n hiredman, nm\n i meant \"hi,\" (damn xchat)\n fta2: iirc James had requested a sync for bzrtools as well\n nope, I forgot\n looks like we need bzrtools and bzr-gtk, anything else?\n bzr-builddeb is stuck too\n jam: ping\n fta: stuck?\n well, i mean, upgrading bzr removes bzr-builddeb and bzrtools\n ah, ok\n that will take an upload, need to check that it works first though\n thanks\n is there a more recommended protocol than sftp these days?\n bzr+ssh\n does that work better over slightly higher latency links?\n fresh branch checkouts are a bit painful over adsl.\n bzr+ssh has 1/3rd the roundtrips of sftp\n quicksilver: so you'll notice with high latency links\n excellent.\n Hmm, well bzr+ssh is making much more substantial use of my network connection, but it's not saying much while it does it.\n no funky progress bar\n yeah, progress reporting sucks a bit atm :-/\n sftp was 14 minutes to check out 604 revision, 70 megabyte repo\n bzr+ssh was 2 minutes 40 seconds.\n woot :)\n LarstiQ: hi ! Where did you get that 1/3rd ?\n vila: here from what lifeless has said, I suppose\n ok, it's for bzr branch without shared repos I presume then\n I think so, yes.\n For a split second I thought you had implemented some effort tests to compare sftp vs bzr+ssh without telling us :-)\n no no, sorry :)\n * LarstiQ goes to his mom for dinner, ciao\n How do I set up bzr for launchpad?\n set up?\n mmm\n so what's the preferred repo layout\n i was trying to do like, repo/project/trunk repo/project/branches, etc\n what would the /project/ be... making it a branch doesn't seem to work\n ie: branch within a branch\n Kobaz: if you want then it can just be a plain directory\n k\n I would advise you make repo/ a plain directory\n How do I set up SSH keys with Bazaar? It seems like it isn't detecting my key...\n each /project/ a shared repository\n yeah\n then branches underneath that\n Dvyjones: What OS?\n Linux\n Dvyjones: There is absolutely no magic involved. It just calls out to OpenSSH. If \"ssh foo@bar\" works, it will work with bzr.\n So it's probably me specifying the wrong SSH key in launchpad, or it hasn't updated yet...\n Probably, yeah. Or your SSH key suffers from the OpenSSL vulnerability.\n Or you made some sort of mistake when pasting it into the box on LP.\n It was generated just a couple of days ago on Ubuntu 8.120, so I guess not :P\n heh, ok\n I don't know what's wrong, then. Sorry.\n * Dvyjones copied it again, and it worked\n er\n whoops\n how do i do an unpush\n can someone explain me why chmod values are different in bzr push sftp:// and bzr push ftp:// ?\n How do I configure who it says made the commit?\n Right now it is using my hostname\n cody-somerville, bzr whoami\n thanks\n I accidentally did some commits without having my whoami configured. is there a way to change the committer's names afterwards?\n danser, only by redoing the commits\n jelmer: ok, thanks\n Unless your default username is really embarrassing, it's probably best to just live with the mistake.\n it's only about two recent commits, and I'm still the only author, so I don't mind redoing these :-)\n is it possible to encode a password in a location? or noninteractively at the commandline at all?\n Tak, yes, \"bzr://username:password@hostname/path\"\n hmm - I get: ERROR: Invalid url supplied to transport: \"invalid port number (part of password) in url\n Maybe supply a port too?\n I am, actually\n the entire url looks like: sftp://user:pass@host:port/path/\n do I need to urlescape the password? (the url is already in single-quotes for the shell)\n i'm thankful for the vcs-imports team\n but i have a question\n i'm trying to branch this: https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/emc/trunk\n if i branch it into its own, new repo (ie, i run bzr branch in a directory which is not initialized) it works nice & fast\n is there anything special i have to do to push files from olive to a website through ftp?\n but if i try to branch into an existing shared repo, with some other locally-created branches, it's awfully slow\n it says \"Transferring 0/4\", then stops & bzr pegs the CPU, and it just sits there\n seb_kuzminsky: your repository is probably in a different format and it has to convert it\n ah\n try bzr info on both\n new branch of lp: pack-0.92\n branch into existing repo: rich-root-pack\n thanks luks!\n i'm a bit confused by the different repo formats\n you are not the only one :)\n i guess i should stay on the default pack-0.92, but it kept bugging me to \"upgrade my repo\"\n :-/\n hi. i just started using bzr through olive - i am trying to push some test files to my server through ftp, i dont get an error, but nothing happens\n I grabbed bzr-git from launch bad, I see \"TypeError: 'Tree' object is not iterable\" when I try to branch from a git repo\n * mwhudson points at jelmer \n hiredman: what version of bazaar?\n 1.9\n hmm\n python 2.5\n hiredman: are there bug reports for bzr-git?\n http://gist.github.com/29575 is the output\n hi\n I just got bit by a UI bug in loom.\n but it's a pretty subtle one.\n hiredman: hm, fairly mysterious\n I was submitting threads to a PQM via exported branches, I ended up having one of the threads rejected because of a text conflict caused by one of my lower threads.\n :(\n I feel that loom should have warned me about this.\n * james_w waves to jml \n james_w: hello.\n mwhudson: thanks again for loggerhead, just set it up on a site and it was painless and works beautifully\n james_w: glad it worked for you!\n jml: presumably they didn't conflict before you started exporting?\n james_w: they did!\n james_w: the interesting thing here is that the lower thread had commits that were not yet merged into the upper threads.\n ah, that'll do it\n so you're able to export threads from above your current position in the stack?\n thing is, the only way to find that out with loom is to go to the bottom thread and merge all the way up.\n james_w: I think export-loom just does the whole stack -- not sure though.\n james_w: I might have switched to a higher thread also, again not sure.\n ah, I haven't used export-loom, I see that would be a problem\n what warning would you have liked?\n \"You are exporting a loom that hasn't been fully merged. The resulting branches may conflict\"?\n james_w: I guess what I would like is something akin to \"bzr status\" that shows me if any threads have revisions that haven't been merged into the higher threads\n and also what's changed since the last record (hah!)\n it sounds like they are things that bzr-loom should provide\n representing it obviously won't be easy, as you indicate\n yeah.\n Hello people\n * jml shakes his fist at combine-thread\n I was wondering if there was an semantical equivalent of \"svn mv\" something out of a branch into a new one.\n That is, I have a project that has grown way too large, and I'd like to refactor a sub-component of it as a sub-project, with its own set of branches.\n Is there a way to grab a sub-tree of a branch and turn that into a branch, or branch a sub-tree of a branch. Or is the infamous \"move the file manually into a new branch\" the way to go.\n anyone know how I can get info from the last record?\n beuno, hi\n mwhudson, hi\n jelmer: some bzr-git queries from hiredman\n hiredman, pong\n mwhudson, we (and by that I mean Lo-Lan-Do) are working on also getting loggerhead up and running on alioth\n jelmer: nice\n jelmer: cool\n jelmer: does the version of loggerhead you are using include the serve-branches script? Is that what you are using?\n james_w, no, we're the standard loggerhead package - which uses start-loggerhead\n using serve-branches can display the hierarchy nicely\n going by one of the bug reports it sounds like that is what would be preferred\n ah, wasn't aware they're actually doing different things these days\n serve-branches -- new, perhaps a little dwimmish, liked\\\n start-loggerhead -- old, crappy, i personally hate it\n I'm not sure where the extra port is coming from, do you have the public URL setting in loggerhead.conf?\n mwhudson, but serve-branches doesn't use loggerhead.conf, does it?\n jelmer: no, you have to use --style options\n it would be nice if there was a way to just get the stylistic improvements by setting some variable in lgogerhead.conf\n you mean the serving from directories stuff?\n because there isn't any real difference in appearance, i thought\n I'd like to get the hierarchy that serve-branches has\n what else can't you get with serve-branches?\n That's the only bit I'm aware of that's differnet (but I may not be very well informed)\n then why not use serve-branches?\n i realize you can't use loggerhead.conf so neatly, but a little shell script with --port this and --host that doesn't seem so hard\n mwhudson, this is for the debian package, which already uses start-loggerhead\n jelmer: now you've lost me\n which part of the debian package?\n the init script\n oh right\\\n did you see that trunk loggerhead has one of them too now?\n the alternative is for me to allow the user to configure a choice between start-loggerhead and serve-branches\n and to confuse users since their configuration for address/port to listen on is in different places\n ah\n the loggerhead.conf suits a package really well, and so having an option to turn on the hierarchical browsing would be great IMO\n i'm fine with the idea of configuring serve-branches from a config file\n i'm not really fine with it being the same as loggerhead.conf currently is though\n or\n nuke loggerhead.conf completely\n and let a /etc/defaults/loggerhead set variables\n (in the packaging)\n mwhudson, serve-branches doesn't necessarily have to support a config file - it can just be a tool to quickly get a loggerhead up\n the important thing (for me at least) is that the same functionality is in start-loggerhead\n Looks like Dragonfly finished their git conversion.\n jelmer: i don't see why you so want start-loggerhead\n mwhudson, it means I don't have to worry about the configuration (since except for enabling it, it is all outside of /etc/default), because it can fork for me as well as log etc, and because it's already there (otherwise I'd have to make sure there's a smooth transition from start-loggerhead to serve-branches)\n jelmer: well if you'd _asked_ me when you were packaging loggerhead, i'd have told you to stay away from it ;-p\n jelmer: when serve-branches is feature compatible, we can do a compatibility shim somehow\n mwhudson: or, as some of the features are insane\n mwhudson: at that time, serve-branches wasn't even installed by setup.py IIRC..\n mwhudson: you could just deprecate it\n there's always going to be a spot of friction though, because the way the branches are specified\n +of\n jelmer: ping\n hiredman, pong\n Yo\n hiredman, you were hitting issues in bzr-git\n Yes.\n I was not able to branch from a git tree, or whatever you call it\n I am not even sure how complete bzr-git is suposed to be\n http://gist.github.com/29575 was the output\n#bzr 2008-11-27\n hello, I did: bzr tag -r 77 datahub-release-0.7 now how do I push this to launchpad?\n Do I have to recommit and push? \"No new revisions to push.\"\n lszyba1: no, the push worked\n lszyba1: the message is confusing (there's a bug open about that), but the tag will have been pushed.\n lszyba1: $ bzr tags -d lp:datahub\n datahub-release-0.7 77\n lszyba1: so you can see the tag is there :)\n (bug 164450 appears the bug number)\n Launchpad bug 164450 in bzr \"should show a message when pushing(overwriting?) tags\" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164450\n thanks, is there a command to list tags bzr lstags ??\n just 'bzr tags'\n bzr tags ..found it\n thanks,,updated my manual..http://lucasmanual.com/mywiki/Bazaar\n anybody knows if launchpad shows tags anywhere?\n Not that I know of.\n jelmer: ping\n jfroy|work, pong\n jelmer: OK, so I thought I understood, but bzr-svn (or me) just did something I'm not sure I understand.\n Basically, what are you supposed to do again when bzr pull from the subversion branch tells you the branches have diverged? I did a merge, commit, push operation.\n And although that mostly worked, bzr-svn committed, as far as I can tell, the same set of changes that someone else had committed via svn (which caused the branches to diverge in the first place).\n Is that expected, or did I do something wrong?\n jfroy|work, yes - see the bzr-svn FAQ\n you may want to use bzr rebase rather than merge\n Ah right, I remember that...\n Hum, I see, I forgot I wasn't working with a Subversion checkout, but rather a branch\n (since committing on a checkout is broken in 1.9)\n A checkout would not have normally allowed by commit which caused the branch to diverge.\n * jfroy|work is unconfused\n *allowed my\n The amazing thing is, no conflicts were generated.\n It's as if the same set of changes were applied twice without a problem.\n yes, that's correct - the revision that was moved to the right hand side is no longer on mainline\n indeed, it got moved to the right-side of the merge commit.\n uhoh. \"Device not ready\" while trying yo read the kernel is no nice greeting in the morning\n spiv, still around?\n poolie: yeah\n i'm going to finish up in a bit, about 5:30 or 6, and go out\n jelmer: if I have the latest stable branch of bzr-svn installed I can't branch from http://bzr.arbash-meinel.com/branches/bzr/1.10-dev/revision_stream\n mwh reported a new bug with those checks i put in for stacked branches\n i'm just thinking about whether to get on to that now or keep going with john's merges\n probably the second is better, as it's already work in progress\n and then i can take an uinterrupted go at 302968\n how did you go?\n 302968?\n correction bug 302698\n Launchpad bug 302698 in bzr \"\"BzrCheckError: Internal check failed: Newly created pack file has delta references to items not in its repository:\" on pushing a stacked branch\" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/302698\n I saw mwh's bug, it seems to still be noticing the problem a bit too late.\n yeah\n Sooner than the next push, at least :)\n right\n i'm happy with the check there\n and it should be fairly possible to just work backwards and see what should be done\n It's weird that the autopack's _check_references trips over, but the push itself didn't.\n Oh, unless an earlier pack that's part of the autopack has the dud record(s).\n If that's the case then it might just be a matter of waiting until a report of that error comes in that isn't from an autopack.\n I agree that at the moment doing work that will make the rc1 tomorrow better is probably the best bet.\n indeed, but what would that be? :)\n Heh.\n i'll look at your tweak for 'avoid extracting revision texts' and merge it\n Landing already reviewed/proposed patches.\n the patch makes sense to me\n I'm doing that one atm, actually :)\n oh ok\n Just waiting for my push to finish then I'll hit pqm-submit (so only a few seconds)\n then i'll look at 'retry 2/3', as no one has reviewed that yet\n That'd be good. I took a glance at it but the diff seemed a bit odd, and merging bzr.dev gave some irritating criss-cross conflicts.\n (\"odd\" as in \"looks like it shows unrelated changes that are already in bzr.dev\")\n i might try that merge then\n poolie: oh, and Mary would be happy if http://bundlebuggy.aaronbentley.com/project/bzr/request/%3C418c22640811181423hc9a2628y4b0bae4dd1f6e7fd%40mail.gmail.com%3E makes it into 1.10\n poolie: there's a newer patch that makes _get_nick into a public get_nick as suggested by the review, but that newer patch is stalled while waiting for tests to be written for that new public API.\n poolie: so probably we should just merge the initial patch (with _get_nick) for 1.10\n +1 from me\n poolie: I can do that if that sounds -- great :)\n hi all\n hey vila\n ok, i've fixed up jam's retry patch and sent it to pqm, and now i'm signing off\n pfeww, finally the fix for bug #277537 is ready to be used or should I run yet another mammoth 34h bzr check ? :-/ :-) :-\\\n Launchpad bug 277537 in bzr \"annotate says revision modified file, \"bzr diff -c\" widly contradicts\" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/277537\n poolie: cool. I've got jam's pack re-order patch with PQM too, so I think we've merged all the important stuff he wanted to have merged.\n * spiv goes for a swim\n folks, bzr+ssh doesnt work with the setup installer for windows. So I decided to install python and paramiko and then bzr. Paramiko now works on its own. I try to install with the \"simple\" installer, but now bzr is not in the system path. And I can't find the exe. Where is it installed?\n how is nested trees developing going?\n<_mathrick> hey\n<_mathrick> what is the best repo structure to have a dev branch, and another branch which is dev + local conf (DB/host settings in this case)?\n<_mathrick> ideally, all changes would be pushed into dev unless I specifically say not to\n<_mathrick> ie. I'd like to avoid manual sync as much as possible\n poolie, spiv: hi. do you need any help getting the branches that are still causing a problem for online services?\n SteveA: more details certainly wouldn't hurt\n SteveA: is it easy to make a tarball of the offending branch(es) + plus instructions to reproduce the problem with the tarball?\n<_mathrick> um, how can I export a shelf?\n spiv: I think we only see it when talking to Launchpad\n spiv: best thing is if I give you access to the private branches, I think\n spiv: I just added you as a member of a team. You should be able to get the branches now.\n jelmer: hey just discussing how to make --export-upstream work better for someone, and I think we may be able to solve your problem at the same time\n Hey there\n Can I get bzr branch (or bzr checkout) to not create a working directory but only to fetch the revisions?\n I'm trying to setup a \"mirror\" repository on my laptop with branches bound to those on my server's repository.\n hey Lo-lan-do\n you can do it if you create a --no-trees repository\n But even though the local repository is --no-trees, bzr branch creates working copies :-/\n oh\n that's odd\n (This is bzr 1.5-1.1 on Debian unstable, by the way)\n But anyway, I'll do some shell magic with bzr reconfigure.\n I'm pretty sure --no-trees should work\n you might have found a bug\n Lo-lan-do: thanks for working on loggerhead for alioth\n You're welcome. You'll probably notice it doesn't Just Work quite yet :-)\n (I reported the bugs last night)\n I'm off to lunch, but I'll be back to discuss them afterwards :-)\n james_w, ah, cool - how?\n jelmer: do you use export-upstream in merge mode, or not?\n james_w, no, I don't use merge mode anymore these days\n jelmer: to add a new mode, so one can just re-use the tarball if already present\n we could also make it a but easier as well, as when you are not in merge mode the upstream branch is not necessary to retrieve the revision in question, as you will have merged it\n though noting the upstream branch will still be useful\n I haven't thought it all through yet though\n anyone know why on ubuntu hardy, bzr depends on python-central (>= 0.6.7) but only 0.6.5ubuntu1 is available\n james_w, Is there a good use case for \"export-upstream\" without \"export-upstream-revision\" ?\n jelmer: it was intended for nightly build\n Three lines: $ bzr upgrade \\nFormat for file:///blah/.bzr/ is deprecated - please use 'bzr upgrade' to get better performance \\nbzr: ERROR: The branch format Bazaar-NG meta directory, format 1 is already at the most recent format.\\n\n \"please change! sorry, nothing to do!\" Why?\n CardinalFang, maybe the repo is old format?\n are you using shared repos?\n Yes, I am.\n CardinalFang, then you have to upgrade bith the branch and the repo\n Hrm. Ugly. Okay.\n hi\n is there a command to remvoe unknow files?\n from the repo?\n *remove\n goshawk: `bzr clean-tree`, though that may be in bzrtools.\n tahnks\n thanks\n works great!\n :)\n wait... it deleted the whole repo...\n goshawk: That's surprising. Are you sure that you had added the files you were expecting to keep?\n<_mathrick> goshawk: repo or tree?\n wait\n<_mathrick> also, bzr serve just tried to murder my RAM, why does it hate my RAM?\n<_mathrick> it used up above 500M or so, unsure how much exactly, because I was too busy killing it before it took all the mem\n<_mathrick> the repo has only 2 revisions, although it has quite a few files\n<_mathrick> 10K files, ~150MB working tree\n<_mathrick> how do I find out what's up?\n Odd_Bloke: it was my fault\n how can i revert before deleting?\n done :)\n hi guys. About to try about bzr for the first time\n does bzr support keywords at all? I namely want to use the $id $ feature of svn if possible\n CaMason_: not currently, it is in development though\n james_w: ok. It's not that important for me at the moment :)\n I love the fact this is portable. I can now continue my dev and commits whilst on the train :D\n I did like tortoiseSVN though. I'm on vista x64, so I can't use the gui\n although the eclipse plugin seems good\n I thought there was a TortoiseBZR too?\n yes but it doesn't support x64, I believe\n Ah. Pardon me for being ignorant of these things, I haven't touched Windows for years.\n there's only a couple of things holding me back in windows, and thats the Adobe suite, and better multi-monitor support\n I need access to the Adobe stuff, and there's no elegant working solutions for the suite. Also, I use 3 or 4 monitors, and the support with distro's like ubuntu isn't as good as the windows implementation, yet\n I wasn't tryng to elicit a discussion on that subject, just apologising, really ;-)\n Lo-lan-do: I was just voicing my dissapointment with Adobe's lack of linux builds, as usual :)\n hrm.. I've got a couple of symbollic links in my project. I just did a bzr add, and commit. Now 'bzr status' shows those 2 links as 'unknown' with @ appended\n Any ideas on the best approach now?\n CaMason_: what happens if you \"bzr add \"?\n it seems it added the folder, but not contents (desired)\n and commit succeeded :)\n What's the preferred mechanism for seperating lines/sentences with a commit message?\n CaMason_: I like to do a one line summary, a blank line, then paragraphs explaining it\n sorry for my lack of understanding. How would I insert a newline when I'm typing at command line? (linux)\n that works well with things like bzr log --line, loggerhead etc.\n oh\n don't pass -m\n and don't type a message\n it is possible at the command line, but if you do that you will be given an editor in which to type\n oh I see! and thanks to uncommit, I can go back and try it on a real commit :D\n liking bzr already\n james_w: congrats on the Ubuntu package branches\n hi, anyone know the status of bzrp4? Is the bzr -> perforce functionality available to test/hack?\n thanks LaserJock\n james_w: I was looking at a failure and see: UnicodeDecodeError:\u00c2\u00a0'utf8'\u00c2\u00a0codec\u00c2\u00a0can't\u00c2\u00a0decode\u00c2\u00a0bytes\u00c2\u00a0in\u00c2\u00a0position\u00c2\u00a0286-291:\u00c2\u00a0unsupported\u00c2\u00a0Unicode\u00c2\u00a0code\u00c2\u00a0range\n james_w: isn't that a common problem?\n yeah\n it assumes debian/changelog is valid utf-8\n I'm going to try and remove that assumption or relax it somehow\n Is there anything like SNV's $Id$ (I think that's how it is in SVN at least) in bazaar?\n Dvyjones: not currently, but it's in development\n And there's nothing like CIA(.vc) in Bazaar?\n Dvyjones, sure, check out the CIA plugin: http://bazaar-vcs.org\n er\n http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrPlugins\n james_w: this one seems a bit weird: bzrlib.errors.NoSuchTag:\u00c2\u00a0No\u00c2\u00a0such\u00c2\u00a0tag:\u00c2\u00a0upstream-ubuntu-0.12\n Do oyu know any good PHP software management softares / CMSes that support showing last bazaar pushes?\n LaserJock: yeah, that's the most common one, it's a logic error I haven't had chance to look in to yet\n james_w: something about the way it figures out what the upstream release is I suppose\n hello\n hello poolie\n poolie: hi\n poolie: I was trying to remind myself of the --fixes syntax, and went `bzr help bugs`\n poolie: I was somewhat surprised not to see a launchpad example in there\n poolie: it had three or four other examples, but no lp :(\n that sounds like a bug\n i wonder why\n ah so it does talk about lp, but doesn't give a good example\n Hi guys. I've got a shared-repo with a project in it that I no don't need. I want to delete it. Should I just rm -rf it, or use bzr commands to do so? It has never been branched, just created is all.\n if it has nothing else in it that you want, you can just rm it\n Ok.\n If I were to delete and recreate that project, as far as the shared repo is concened, it is not the same as the old one?\n right\n thanks poolie. bye.\n poolie: huh!\n mm?\n poolie: that change used to pass tests, but now it trips on your new consistency chekc\n ah\n (the change to remove \"len(self.target._fallback_repositories) > 0\")\n yes, that's what i understood you to mean\n good thing that check was there i guess\n I guess that makes sense, it can't be a straight pack-to-pack copy, some delta records have to be fulltexts.\n thumper, spiv: just or anything more?\n poolie: fixes rather than addresses perhaps?\n but yes, that is all I was looking for\n i'd kind of like to say what effect this will\n have\n but, that's mostly defined server side and may go out of date\n and i'm not sure off hand what will happen\n poolie: that looks reasonable to me\n thumper: i just got subscribed to a very active project using code reviews etc\n so, congratulations on your feature's popularity\n Off hand I believe --fixes lp:NNNN causes that branch to be associated with the bug, and that association's status is set to \"Fix Available\". I think \"addresses\" is an ok way to summarise that ;)\n but it's also an eyewatering amount of email\n and i don't really really care about it\n possibly i should fix this in my mail client\n but i wonder, if i unsubscribed (if i can) whether I'd get a good replacement through the web\n basically a timeline view of all merge proposals, comments, and landings\n poolie: so I've updated my original InterPackRepo.fetch hack for bug 294479 to add a comment and a NEWS entry.\n Launchpad bug 294479 in bzr \"Vast number of round-trips pushing stacked branch\" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/294479\n poolie: I'm just running a full test suite now, in case there's something unexpected, but I don't expect there to be.\n so this is setting it through a callback?\n i think a comment about why we're doing it, and maybe also something on the constructor parameter to say we don't really want it would make sense\n i sent that doc patch to pqm\n poolie: right.\n poolie: I'll add a comment to the constructor too.\n you know what would be great?\n being able to re-order threads in a loom\n (I guess doing it properly depends on proper cherrypicking, but I'd be happy with a half-arsed solution that was a joy to use)\n hey guys, i've just installed bzr1.9 on windows, and i'm getting the error \"Unable to load bzr-svn extensions - did you build it?\" \"cannot import name client\"\n anyone know what this actually means?\n jml: its in todo I think, file a bug, yada yada yada\n Glenjamin: It's a packaging bug\n Glenjamin: You installed the python2.5 version?\n yes\n Glenjamin: Delete c:\\python25\\lib\\site-packages\\bzrlib\\plugins\\svn\n Unless you actually want to use bzr-svn, of course\n and if i want svn i should just install it?\n \"just install it\" is relative on windows\n It's rather tricky to get it built\n ah\n i probably dont need it for now\n For windows I think you are going to be looking at prepackaged binaries\n yeah, i'm fine with that\n while i'm here, i dont suppose anyone knows how to get tortoisebzr working on 64bit windows?\n poolie: http://bundlebuggy.aaronbentley.com/project/bzr/request/%3C20081127231800.GH23611%40steerpike.home.puzzling.org%3E is the updated patch, btw\n#bzr 2008-11-28\n spiv, hi\n approved\n Thanks1\n poolie: which project was it using reviews?\n stevea's project\n ok. so how exactly should I do this again (switching the order of a pair of adjacent threads)\n a quick question about bzr send\n if using `bzr send --mailto foo@example.com` and thunderbird\n does the attachment get added for others?\n I'm trying to debug a weirdness\n how do you mean 'for others'?\n * jml walks away to think about the problem.\n jml, i don't know\n poolie: behold, I show you a mystery\n jml: edit your .bzr/branch/last-loom file? ;)\n spiv, i'm reading john's pack-names patch\n jml: More reasonably, pull --overwrite probably gives you the hammer you need.\n spiv: hmm. maybe. there are a bunch of merges that I need to work around.\n spiv: I'll have a play, anyway.\n jml: ah, so it's more fundamentally that you need cherrypicking, rather than the ordering of the loom threads?\n spiv: yeah, probably.\n * jml does uncommit and shelve shenanigans\n spiv, ok, i'm going to send up john's patch, what next?\n and look, there's a criss-cross merge. what a shock.\n poolie: http://bundlebuggy.aaronbentley.com/project/bzr/request/%3C20081117065938.GA18818%40steerpike.home.puzzling.org%3E perhaps?\n yeah\n there are some nontrivial conflicts, i'm just working through them\n so you're both pretty confident in that interdiffing one\n Yeah.\n Oh, I should land my already approved improvement item_keys_introduced_by's signatures calculation.\n * spiv does that\n Not sure why I didn't notice that sooner, I guess the rapidly shrinking list of things in bundle buggy made it more obvious :)\n poolie: \"either 1.6 (from hardy)\" <- did you mean Intrepid?\n i did\n poolie: I'm going to land the interdifferingserializer improvement (I'm confident and the bb:comments were essentially positive), and then I think I'm out of changes for 1.10\n ok\n i've just finished resolving the pack-names thing\n i'm going to send that up, then have lunch, then roll 1.10rc1\n Woo\n poolie: getting anywhere on that bug of mine?\n mwhudson: tbh not yet, we're trying to finish off work that's already queued and to get a release out\n ok\n but after that, it's top of the list\n i'm not totally sure this is the right approach but things have gone for us when we try to fix just one more bug before releasing\n spiv, mine merged, when yours does i'll start packaging\n poolie: cool. I'm off to lunch to now.\n huh, i managed to push https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/launchpad/manual-stacking-on-launchpad-branches-bug-272372 via devpad\n which has bzr 1.9\n so are you saying your bug may be to do with the server code?\n no\n i pushed locally with bzr 1.9 --> boom\n i pushed to devpad, then from devpad i seem to be able to push with bzr 1.7\n poolie: how's the releasing going?\n hey\n i'm uploading bzr-svn, and working out how it uses bzr builddeb\n did your things all land?\n Apparently so! http://bundlebuggy.aaronbentley.com/?selected=pending&unreviewed=n is almost unrecogniseably shorter :)\n hi guys, i was doing 'bzr uncommit' then did bzr commit, then in the other pc, i did bzr update, but I see that the last log that was part of the 'bzr uncommit' became a pendig merges. is that normal? or I want to remove that pending merges since that's no use\n assuming you don't want to keep that uncommitted revision, you should revert the other checkout\n toytoy: that's an interesting case. I think that is probably a bug, although not a surprising one. You can clear pending merges with \"bzr revert --forget-merges\".\n This release of Bazaar focusses on performance improvements when pushing\n and pulling revisions, both locally and to remote networks. The popular\n ``shelve`` and ``unshelve`` commands, used to interactively revert and\n restore work in progress, have been merged from bzrtools into the bzr\n core. There are also bug fixes for portability, and for stacked branches.\n how's that\n Sounds good, although shelve/unshelve was rewritten rather than merely merged.\n I'm not sure the distinction matters for that text, though.\n to use internal merge, rather than patch and diff?\n Yeah.\n poolie: I'm off to SLUG. I'll have a play with the rc1 when I get home tonight :)\n* poolie changed the topic of #bzr to: Bazaar version control system | http://bazaar-vcs.org | please test 1.10rc1 released 28 Nov | http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | http://planet.bazaar-vcs.org/\n spiv, ok, cheerio - btw (i should have reminded you earlier) i have a holiday on monday again\n but john and robert will be back\n poolie: I'll be on leave (OSDC that week), but pretty easy to contact.\n ah, right\n hm, maybe i should move it\n have a fun conference anyhow\n and btw it's great how many things you landed into 1.10, and that insert_r_s is coming along\n hi all\n ls\n Is there any way for me to merge the history of two branches that don't share a common ancestor within Bazaar, though they do share a common ancestor file-wise?\n fullermd: Would you happen to be around?\n poolie: You still around?\n GPHemsley: you can merge the two branches in a way that will give you the files from both branches\n GPHemsley: but it won't merge contents of files from the two branches\n \"bzr merge -r 0.. otherbranch\" should do it\n hmm...\n as the branches don't share history, it has no way of knowing that two files with the same name should be merged (you'll get a naming conflict), let alone how to merge the contents\n hmm\n darn\n Haven't actually done it, but if you `bzr add --file-ids-from` the files into the new branch, then do the merge, it might work?\n It's alright\n it's not that important\n but thanks\n jamesh, AfC: What's the proper syntax for `bzr init-repo` via SFTP?\n nevermind, got it\n jamesh, AfC: Whats the difference between `bzr init ; bzr pull` and `bzr branch`?\n is it safe to install bzr 1.6 in ubuntu 8.04?\n im not sure if i should ask that in an ubuntu place or here\n i just dont know if it'd be unhappy with library versions or something\n maco: yes, it's fine\n poolie: What is rich root?\n you can get a package from launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive\n poolie: ok, thank you\n GPHemsley: it's a series of alternate repo formats that support primarily svn interoperation\n Is that their only benefit?\n just about\n ok\n GPHemsley: the only real difference between init+pull and branch is the format of the resulting branch: the first will use bzr's default format, while the second will use the format of the source branch\n jamesh: ooo i was wondering that\n poolie: yeah, it's very satisfying watching stuff land :)\n is it possible to set commands configuration in a configuration file or similar? e.g: i'd like to use --line switch in bzr log by default\n configuration topic in help does't talk about such possibilities...\n abeaumont: yes\n abeaumont: create an alias\n thanks spiv\n much better than what i had in mind :D\n What's the best way to set up a SFTP user that will point to /srv/bzr/myrepo ?\n jelmer: which version of bzr-svn should i be using for bzr-1.10rc1 ? :)\n rocky, nothing yet - 1.10 breaks API compatibility for 0.4.15 but I hope to release 0.5.0 at some point before 1.10\n jelmer: don't suppose it's safe to use a branch of bzr-svn then?\n well, it won't corrupt your repository or anything but some operations may give tracebacks\n * rocky reluctantly sticks with bzr 1.9 for the time being... :)\n hi guys. I've had a project under bzr control just from bzr init. Now, I've just set up a SFTP connection, and I'd like to make my current repo a central repo on the SFTP server\n how do I go about doing this?\n CaMason_, bzr push the branch to the sftp server\n after that, you should be able to \"bzr checkout\" it\n jelmer: thanks, I'm just reading that bit now\n * rocky loves that every bzr repo can be used as-is by merely hooking up network access to it for someone else\n i don't think svn was like that right?\n rocky: nope\n you know, I think I can use a folder under both SVN and .bzr control..\n i.e. my local project has a single folder that I want to put on a SVN server elsewhere (for others). If I ignore the .svn files with bzr, it shoudln't cause any conflicts, if I think correctly?\n CaMason_: you can probably do something a little slicker with bzr-svn, but jelmer would be the one to poke for that ;)\n I think I've pushed my current repo to a central location. However, the file sizes are different\n the central repo seems to be about 500kb big, but my local one is about 700kb\n hi\n well, I managed to checkout the central branch. so..\n I assume everything is ok!\n CaMason_, bzr optimizes repos, so I wouldn't be surprised\n why doing a merge between 2 branches without common ancestor with cherrypicking doesn't keep the history ?\n and it seems I've bound my working copy to the central repo now. This is brilliant :)\n and I can unbind.. brillian. I can now work on the train offline :D\n yes, the magic of bzr\n I have to say, compared to SVN, the setup process has been very painless\n CaMason_, blog about it! the world needs to know! ;)\n I will as soon as I get my blog up\n someone can explain me this behavior ?\n ~$> bzr clone -q A\n ~$> bzr clone -q B\n ~$> cd A\n A$> bzr merge ../B/\n bzr: ERROR: Branches have no common ancestor, and no merge base revision was specified.\n A$> bzr merge -q -r 0..-1 ../B/\n A$> bzr st | grep pending\n pending merges:\n A$> bzr revert -q\n A$> bzr merge -q -r 0..-1 ../B/somedir/\n A$> bzr st | grep pending\n A$>\n jelmer: bzr-svn seems to think subtrees of my svn checkout are are in different svn repos\n jelmer: refusing 'bzr commit dir1/somefile dir2/somefile'\n jelmer: note that this is a svn checkout, not a bzr-svn checkout\n uws, what's the exact error?\n ERROR: dir1/dir/somefile is not in the same branch as dir22/dir/someotherfile\n jelmer: ^\n jelmer: \"bzr root\" in dir2/dir gives dir2/, instead of 2 levels up)\n uws: Ah, that's actually correct. It's fixed in 0.5, you can workaround it in 0.4 by explicitly setting a branching scheme and setting it to be mandatory\n jelmer: how?\n jelmer: what value should I use for bzr svn-branching-scheme --set svn+ssh://.... ?\n jelmer: repo layout is /project/{trunk,branches/tags}\n jelmer: my svn checkout is from /project/trunk/\n uws, that should be trunk1 (in ~/.bazaar/subversion.conf)\n hmm, I've a strange problem when using bzr+ssh:\n nathot:~/src/spe/systems% bzr branch sftp://delenn/home/rotty/src/spe/systems/xitomatl\n rotty@delenn's password:\n bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: \"/home/rotty/src/xitomatl/\n (erm, that's with sftp, but bzr+ssh yields the same error)\n (note the difference between the path names specified on the command line, and in the error message)\n (also, when doing the same on delenn, using 'localhost' as hostname, it works without a flaw)\n arghl! bzr stores the absolute directory inside .bzr/branch/location -- so if you move the dir, this info becomes bogus.\n I think storing locations globally in ~/.bazaar/locations.conf and inside ~/.bzr is a real misfeature\n rotty: What version of bzr are you using?\n 1.5\n Weird.\n I'm not seeing a ~/.bzr/branch/location...\n in the repo: /path/to/repo/.bzr/branch/location\n Sorry, I didn't mean to put the ~ there.\n My fingers betrayed me.\n I'm not seeing one in my branches.\n i've been bitten by stuff like that on several occassions -- no other dvcs I've used has problems when you move repos around\n rotty: Are you talking about repositories or branches?\n Odd_Bloke: aren't those the same in bzr?\n rotty: No.\n A repository is Just a Bunch Of Revisions. A branch is a pointer to one of those revisions (which in turn point to their parents and so on, giving you history).\n rotty: Often, the repository and the branch will be in the same location, but not necessarily.\n For example, when using shared repositories.\n I just have repos and branches that share location\n (btw, removing that .bzr/branch/location file makes the branch not work anymore)\n (and trying to correct it also doesn't work)\n rotty: I'm afraid I'm not sure what's going on.\n Perhaps a ML post would be in order.\n well, running \"bzr branch\" locally, and using the newly created branch instead, worked\n rotty: Yeah, that's the recommended way of doing it.\n Sorry, it should have occurred to me to mention that. >.<\n vila, going to be working on improving log performance?\n you become my instant personal god if you are\n beuno :-)\n I have a problem with log, but not only a performance problem, so I'm reviewing the related bugs, tagging them along the way\n But out of curiosity, what is your use case (there are several ways log performance can be improved)\n vila, loggerhead\n so bzr log -v ;)\n log -v is quite a big hammer, you use it without limiting the revision range ?\n vila, no, I do limit it\n it's the only remaining thing we *have* to cache in loggerhead\n the changed files per revision\n beuno: can't you use tree.iter_changes directly ?\n vila, IIRC, the problem is that we have to get all the files changed for a revision in mainline, with all it's sub-revisions\n for 20 (mainline) revisions at a time\n on a big tree (20k revs), you think using inter_changes would be fast to get that info?\n I don\n I don't remember atm how we get that information\n beuno: oh, your context is a bit too complicated to be definitive :-/ (Except that iter_changes will only give you the delta between two arbitrary revisions and I don't think that address your \"for 20 (mainline) revisions at a time\"\n Do you need (or use) the revnos ? That can make a difference, and if you use them, you'd better *not* call log -v multiple times\n vila, right, I need it per mainline revision\n I only use revnos for the mainline, so it's fine\n vila, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~loggerhead-team/loggerhead/trunk/changes\n that's the page\n all the information you see there is what we need to get\n and, if you're interested in peaking at the file: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~loggerhead-team/loggerhead/trunk/annotate/247?file_id=history.py-20061211064342-102iqirsciyvgtcf-5\n vila, maybe it's _get_deltas_for_revisions_with_trees?\n it says \"This is copied from bzrlib.\", but I suspect that comment is from the 1980's\n (sept 2007, actually)\n beuno: right, you don't use log -v :-) You use bzrlib :)\n right\n but I'm hoping that improvements to one will trickle down\n :)\n wishful thinking?\n No, you're right. But my remark about revnos doesn't apply then.\n and changes_from calls iter_changes 2 levels down :)\n right\n so, \"I'm screwed\"\n beuno: nooo, just be patient ;-)\n * beuno hugs vila and goes back to the launchpad bug sprint\n will I see you at UDS?\n beuno: no\n ay...\n we need a bzr sprint soon then!\n sprinting eh\n what do you guys use for tracking your scrums\n always!\n we use scrumworks\n we use... wikis and drawings?\n ah\n hey guys, i'm looking at setting up a smart server, and i'm hoping to get some sort of authenticating system where various branches can be read-only, private or public\n is there any existing wsgi sorta thing i can just drop in?\n ie: something a bit like lp, where if you push to ~user/project/branch, it knows what to do\n Does anyone use nested trees? I've had trouble getting a straight answer googling around, so I'm guessing no.\n i like little forests\n tristil, bzr doesn't support nested trees yet\n LarstiQ is the mastermind behind it\n but hasn't finished yet\n Kobaz, I thought I liked subtrees but nested trees appears to be the best I can get.\n beuno, Thanks the various references on the web and the different formats are confusing.\n So people use configmanager instead for composite projects?\n i dont even know what i want yet\n so far i've got\n projectcontainer/project/repo/trunk\n Kobaz, but what's in projectcontainer? Is it a bzr repo/branch?\n it's just a directory\n like, a second order grouping of projects\n like\n web/mainwebsite/core/trunk\n web/mainwebsite/modules/trunk\n web/internal/core/trunk\n Oh, well, what I really want is just svn:externals. I guess I can just keep adding, removing and exporting my subprojects.\n aww, there's no externals in bzr?\n That's what I thought nested trees were.\n Of course, in Rails/Ruby they use a tool called piston to check in the externals anyway.\n So you can freeze at a revision.\n ah\n dustybin: lvextend is a safe operation\n er\n is there a way to make nautilus integration work under ubuntu?\n dudus, the bzr-gtk ubuntu package is b0rked\n there's an open bug about it\n yeah I just subscribed to it\n jelmer: I think it may be solved on debian\n I think It's broken since gutsy\n Yes, it is solved in Debian\n dudus, nautilus-bzr was not enabled in gutsy intentionally iirc\n jelmer: why?\n dudus, it slowed down nautilus too much\n ahn the good old synchronous programming\n nautilus-bzr isn't any better now, but we added a button to allow users to disable it\n the main problem is that the nautilus extension API is just too poor\n jelmer: nice\n I'd like to split apart the files in a branch, into two branches. There's no particular logic to which goes where, other than my judgement... I could just branch it twice, then delete half the files in each side, and go on from there.. but is there a nicer way?\n LeoNerd: what you described is appropriate\n I've also seen 'bzr split'.. not sure about that\n LeoNerd, that splits out a specific directory, so would require you to move all of the files for one of the branches into a directory first\n Ahh... Hrm.. I suppose I could do that\n LeoNerd, and the result is similar to what you described\n Ohright\n OK.. So.. I've now created my two new branches on my server, each with their respective halves of the files... How to \"close\" the original branch, disallow further commits?\n chmod?\n Ooh. that'd work\n LeoNerd: or rm\n LeoNerd: but someone can always branch from the old branch and do commits; fortunately bzr will merge happily into both new branches\n#bzr 2008-11-29\n abentley: it looks like bundlebuggy's mail queue is growing without any new mail getting processed? http://bundlebuggy.aaronbentley.com/mail\n spiv: fixed.\n Hmm... I could have sworn there was a \"--date\" option for commit.\n Looks like this will be as fun as setting the mtime on a symlink.\n hello everyone!\n I have a problem Google could not solve\n does anyone ever tried to post/publish a bzr directory (sub directory of a branch) to a ftp server?\n did* try*\n I was wondering.. say somebody committed a huge file, would it be possible to remove that file from the repo?\n I know that's near impossible with svn\n maybe using bzr remove YOUR_FILE --force\n CaMason: (never done that, but I would say it is technically possible, so maybe this \"--force\" option would do the trick, or a plugin)\n Enisseo: ok. I work with large flash / photoshop files quite often, and sometimes my designers can input a 400MB FLV file by accident. It would be great to be able to remove that to keep the repo size to a minimum\n CaMason: if you do not want any .flv (or .psd) file to be committed, you can use the bzr ignore command\n CaMason: but if you only need to limit the size of committed files, I don't know (plugin? configuration file?)\n Enisseo: It's not an exact science, as we DO need to add certain FLVs and PSDs of varying sized. It's things like placeholder/test items that were accidently placed in, that are of the wrong size\n usually the FLVs are embedded within the .fla files when testing, and these are sometimes accidently added\n CaMason: if you can't find a \"pattern\" (subdirectory, extension, file size...) the files you do not want to add (or want to add) follow, the filter can not be made\n CaMason: anyway, the bzr ignore command prevent - I think - adding files accidentally, but you still can add them if you do it explicitly\n CaMason: for example, to prevent committing files with huge size (psd, flv), you set a ignore rule on .flv and .psd files\n CaMason: but if you need to add some .psd or .flv files, you can still commit them\n CaMason: this will work fine if you don't often need to commit PSD and FLV\n (I'm not sure you can add files that match an ignore rule, but tests will tell you)\n Enisseo: sure, I understand you. But that wont help for my current workflow :)\n It's not a problem for me atm.. I'll read up about it another time. Thank you\n CaMason: sorry I could not help you... maybe someone will, another day ;)\n \"bzr add foo\" will add foo, regardless of whether it matches an ignore rule or not. \"bzr commit\" will commit all added files, regardless of ignore rules.\n thank you :)\n My problem: I want to publish files of my branch to a ftp directory\n To remove files from history, you'd have to \"rebuild\" that history, while omitting the parts that you don't want. Bazaar doesn't have any built-in support for such operations.\n The \"rebase\" plugin is somewhat handy, though.\n hmeland: ok, nice :) I'll read up about it later on\n The files are mostly PHP files, so I want bzr to act like a \"website publisher\"\n Is this possible?\n Enisseo: http://bazaar-vcs.org/BazaarForWebDevs\n Enisseo: AFAIK, bzr works on the full tree; if you want to publish just a subtree, you're free to do so using other mirroring tools.\n Depending on what you mean by \"publish\", I guess...\n I mean \"copy files\", not publishing a branch\n In fact, I could do so \"manually\" by uploading an exported directory (export) of my branch\n Ok, then what I said above stands -- I'm not aware of anything in bzr that will help you with that publishing operation.\n but I thought bzr would do that, only committing changed files\n Uhm, are you saying that you want to _automate_ publishing of that subtree whenever you commit?\n no\n Well, my workflow would be:\n Then you've lost me. :-)\n 1. I commit files locally\n 2. I finish adding features and fixing bugs so I could release a new version of my project\n 3. => I \"push/publish\" the project into a prototype directory on my ftp server\n 4. I fix last bugs that appear while testing the prototype\n 5. => I \"push/publish\" the project into the production directory on the ftp server\n 6. I tag the branch\n the push/publish operation is manually \"launched\", but yes, indeed, I want bzr to automatically copy files that have changed between two publishing operations\n bzr-upload plugin\n bob2: the name sounds nice :)\n Yeah, you want the upload plugin\n (orthogonally, do you *really* need to tag every time you publish?)\n AfC: Hmmm... no\n AfC: But what do you think is wrong with that\n ?\n Manageability\n Enisseo: if you have several thousand tags it gets out of control\n AfC: I do not want to tag every commit I made, only when I publish what I think is a new version\n 0.1, 0.2, 1.1, 1.2...\n why bother?\n Enisseo: and there may be scaling problems with hundreds of thousands of tags, I can't remember if that was addressed; it strikes me as the sort of thing that isn't really wise because it's going to be high O()\n just have a branch where each commit is a \"publish\" state\n all done\n Enisseo: if you're just doing \"versions\" then that's fine, of course\n Enisseo: I've seen people do an automated tag with a date string or some other nonsense, and then complain that the 14,000 tags they have are in the way.\n bob2: well, if the history is linear that won't quite cut it\n a merge isn't necessarily a prerequisite to Enisseo publishing.\n but that saidm\n said,\n for people that really are desperate to have huge numbers of \"tags\", an alternative is\n to just make an empty (no changes) commit with a commit message indicating $whatever.\n THAT will scale just fine, of course.\n what's the difference between tagging and branching with bazaar?\n er\n mostly unrelated\n branch is a, well, branch, tag is just a label pointing at a particular commit on a branch\n I thought a tag in bazaar was just a branch\n no\n well, a named branch\n no\n ok\n svn is the only system like that, afaik\n {sigh}, Subversion screwing up the name space strikes again\n Enisseo: you can take a branch from any revision\n I must have read that from svn, indeed\n Enisseo: there are many ways to _identify_ revisions\n Enisseo: tags are one of them.\n (dates are another, etc)\n I commonly do stuff like\n $ bzr diff -r tag:v4.0.9\n so, if a tag is a label of a commit, many tags are just hard to manage, but it does not affect performances, does it?\n to find out what I've changed from the last release\n another *really* useful one is\n $ bzr diff -r ancestor:../mainline\n to see what is different about this branch (from a contributor, say) without worrying about what has moved on in 'mainline' in the mean time.\n the \"bzr diff -r tag:v4.0.9\" command is what I have in mind\n Enisseo: sure... but if you're only doing one or two revisions per release, and *frequent* releases, then I imagine you can see the utility dropping.\n on the other hand if you don't do that many \"releases\" then you're all fine.\n Enisseo: hard to manage (lots of tags), definitely (where lots >>> 100)\n Enisseo: I can't say off hand what the performance impact is\n ok, thanks for the advice ;)\n I have a nagging feeling that someone was complaining about it, but I also recall they had like 100,000 tags\n and were upset that bzr log was slow :)\n if you're not already at hundreds of thousands of revisions, and gigabytes of repository, and tens of thousands of tags, I doubt you'll notice any performance problem.\n jelmer: hmm, why does bzr init in a directory below an svn checkout (but not versioned itself) invoke bzr-svn?\n mathrick, what version of bzr/bzr-svn ?\n jelmer: how do I check bzr-svn version?\n (it's not my copy y'see)\n mathrick, if you know the bzr version, that should be sufficient\n ok, it's 1.9\n jelmer: btw, it seems to segfault on bzr init after upgrading to (python-)subversion 1.5.1 (from 1.4.6)\n mathrick, so you have a svn-versioned directory and one of the children paths has a .bzr directory?\n jelmer: no, I have a svn-versioned directory, and it has a non-versioned subdir that I (or my friend, actually) wants to init as a bzr repo\n mathrick, in that case, this is expected behaviour\n he doesn't care about the svn-versionedness of the parent\n jelmer: what purpose does it serve?\n and, how can I disable it?\n mathrick, sorry, forget that\n mathrick, I can't reproduce this\n jelmer: hmm\n jelmer: I'll try to get a reproducible example for you, sec\n jelmer: okay, I have a minimal dir structure that segfaults for me as well\n (bzr 1.6.1 / svn 1.5.1)\n mathrick, Have you tried 1.9 ? Several things have changed since then\n jelmer: yes, said friend runs 1.9\n jelmer: http://sei.meidokon.net/files/foo.tar.gz\n unpack it, go to foo/bar/, try to bzr init there\n it segfaults\n mathrick, works fine here\n in earlier svn (1.4.6), it'd say the subversion client is too old\n humm\n are you running ubuntu?\n no, debian\n then it seems like something is broken in ubuntu packages\n jelmer: is it invoking bzr-svn at all for you?\n Hi, I upgraded from bzr 1.3 in Ubuntu 8.04 to bzr 1.6.1 in Ubuntu 8.10, and now I get weird upgrade notices and errors on upgrade: http://pastebin.com/m15418d7 What should I do?\n mathrick, no, it doesn't touch bzr-svn\n I'm running bzr 1.10 though, not 1.9\n marcus-b, try: bzr upgrade --rich-root-pack\n thanks, that seems to work. was it a mistake to use rich-root? what's the recommended format for new repositories?\n marcus-b, also remember to upgrade both your branches and your shared repository\n why did you choose rich-root?\n I don't remember. I think I just chose the latest/greatest at the time\n I want to go with the masses, no special requirements\n jelmer, there's no way to go rich-root -> packs, is there?\n beuno: rich-root-pack\n beuno: there's no particular reason to go back from rich-root though\n jelmer: you patch allows you to upgrade an svn checkout to be a bzr branch?\n well, PITA, but yes :)\n so the new cool kid on the block is packs? :)\n james_w, It's one of the required steps - I'm not sure whether bzr-svn's implementation of Converter works well enough yet\n jelmer: madness :-)\n marcus-b, actually, it's \"1.9\" format, but I'd say you take it a step at a time ;)\n yeah, thanks ;)\n so how about I go to 1.6.1-rich-root ?\n marcus-b, any reason for going with 1.6.1-rich-root rather than 1.9-rich-root?\n well, ubuntu 8.10 ships with 1.6.1\n so, if there isn't a strong reason for a manual update or override...\n ok, I am taking the ppa ubuntu repository, that's convenient enough for me\n that's what I do :)\n can I move away from rich-root?\n hi\n hey all, short question, if I have changes in one file in this order, rev1 => rev2 => rev3, when I try to see changes between rev1 and rev3, all is fine, now when I try to see, whether the changes were made between rev1 and rev2 or rev2 and rev3, bzr outputs nothing!, does that make sense?\n shouldn't there be a transitive property ?\n well, solved, the thing is that \"-rREV1 -rREV2\" isn't the same as \"-rREV1..REV2\", I thought it was\n How can I tag a commit with a launchpad bug?\n Flimm, maybe what you're looking for is: bzr ci --fixes=lp:1111\n or maybe it's --fixes lp:1111\n Thanks bueno, you're always here when I need help!\n if I need to move my central branch to a different server, can I just copy/paste it?\n if it's a standalone branch, yes, it should work\n time to try, then :)\n#bzr 2008-11-30\n ack I just did a revert when I didn't mean to. Can I undo that?\n nv I found a way to fix it\n I would like to know if there is a place where the installation/configuration of loggerhead is documented\n In fact I am looking for a bzr branch explorer\n Based on what I read on Internet it seems that loggerhead is the defacto standard for this\n is there a way to convert an existing repository to use --no-trees?\n yes, bzr remove-tree\n Could one have a ``safepoint'' commit that doesn't show up in the commit log, but only acts as an ``Oh !&^#%, why did I do that... at least I can revert to what I had 5 minutes ago instead of having to revert to the previous commit''... or should I just commit more often?\n Use case: When you're trying to fix something through trial and error\n ryanakca: well, you can commit and then later uncommit then commit again.\n ryanakca: But really, why not just keep the commit?\n spiv: well, if you're going by trial and error, you might endup with 3-4 ``safepoints'' that are absolute rubbish and have no use in a commit log, at least not in a public one :)\n ryanakca: maybe. They might not be totally worthless, and there isn't much harm from leaving them there.\n spiv: *nod*\n ryanakca: especially if this is happening on a branch, when the branch is merged to trunk the details of how that branch evolved aren't very prominent in the history.\n If you're working directly on trunk then that's a different matter, but then I'd argue you should be taking advantage of a DVCS and using branches instead :)\n You could even manage your experimental work on your branch as another branch, but that workflow is probably a bit too heavyweight for what you're after.\n spiv: well, I'm the only one working on it at the moment... but it will eventually end up being used in my school, and most likely other schools in my school board...\n spiv: Anyways, I probably ought to branch when I go by trial and error :)\n G'night :)\n ryanakca: g'afternoon ;)\n (It's a bright and sunny 4pm here in Sydney)\n * thumper votes for default log to be short (no merge details)\n thumper: bzr alias log=\"log --short\"\n spiv: yes I know#\n :)\n spiv: I'm thinking of all the new users\n all those people who go \"gee bzr log is slow compared to xyz\"\n \"Won't somebody think of the newbies?\"\n spiv: that way people can go \"bzr log --merges\" to show merges (or something)\n (Sunday afternoon perhaps not the best time to get a completely serious opinion from me)\n and they can take the hit of the graph sort or whatever\n * thumper was reading traceback\n We don't get many people saying the log is slow (although we do get some). And arguably the solution there is to make it fast, not change the output.\n spiv: yeah, but one is easier and allows for better comparison of apples\n I do think the default log should make the existence of merges visible, so that the way merges are tracked is reasonably discoverable.\n * thumper goes to make brownies\n Well, we're not trying to build a tool that's the same as $other_vcs, we're trying to build a better tool :)\n So I don't think that's automatically a good reason to change how we work.\n a better tool that interoperates so I can pull stuff from github?\n Personally I use --line most of the time.\n I think someone should check to see who actually cares to see the merges by default\n spiv: I use --line too\n hiredman: that is in progress\n * thumper really leaves now\n I know\n I am just being an asshole today\n And then \"bzr viz\" for more in-depth exploration of history, but not every user will have the bzr-gtk plugin (or the ability to install it).\n Hi, how do I cleanup the .~n~ files?\n $ find . -name '*~*'\n $ find . -name '*~*' | xargs rm\n better: find . -name \"*~*\" -print0 | xargs -0 rm\n brb\n beuno: hmm, I wouldn't say I'm the mastermind\n marcus-b: hey! :)\n epsy, marcus-b: `bzr clean-tree --detritus` would also remove the .~n~ files\n LarstiQ: I don't know bzr well, but I do know my unix tools :)\n * LarstiQ nods\n hi hi\n Hello i'm trying to run bzr+ssh. I've created directory on server, and i have entry in authorized-keys to copy files without giving passwords, but when i try to init repo i get error: http://wklej.to/MV3 (when i use scp to copy files it works)\n I just got a commit error regarding x11 initialisation whilst commiting via SSH\n I installed extdiff earlier. Perhaps that's causing the issues?\n I've got a large branch I've cloned from a remote source, and now i'm wishing I'd created a repository for it to go in. Is too late? Can I create a repo without having to re-fetch all that history?\n create a new repo and then fetch from the one you cloned locally\n oh. of course :)\n my commit actions etc are causing \"X11 initialization failed\" errors when used via SSH\n CaMason_: no idea, sorry\n it was a problem with dbus. Removing it, as I don't use it\n marcus-b: 'find . -name \"*~*\" -print0 | xargs -0 rm' vs 'find . -name \"*~*\" -exec rm {} \\;' ? Hmm =/\n I am attempting to branch from an svn repo on sourceforge, using bzr-svn\n and i'm consistently getting \"Could not read response body: Connection reset by peer\" after several minutes\n is there something I can do to make bzr not give up so easily? :)\n dash, it's the svn libraries that are giving up\n dash, are you fetching over https?\n jelmer: no.\n your best bet is probably to wait until the sf svn servers are less heavily loaded\n I suspect a contributing factor is that /trunk (which I am branching from) in this repository was moved from a different url in an early revision\n different path, I mean\n that shouldn't be relevant\n well\n it looks like bzr-svn does a lot of PROPFINDs for nonexistent paths\n I didn't know if that mattered.\n you mean it's actually getting 404's back?\n yes\n what's the URL you're trying to import?\n http://posterita.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/posterita/trunk\n so i'm seeing a lot of things like \"PROPFIND /svnroot/posterita/trial/posterita\"\n to which 404s are given\n I'm just guessing that this is making it take longer, so make it have more chance to disconnect :)\n it doesn't ignore unexpected errors like that, I suspect that's all happening deep down in the svn libraries\n right\n dash, it seems to be working with the 0.5 branch for me, though it's very slow because of sf\n aha, the secret version ;)\n well i'm not in a hurry, I just want to get it eventually.\n hmm if that were true I would just wait until 0.5 was released\n I guess I am in a hurry, a little.\n jelmer: so, think I should try 0.5?\n moin\n ah lifeless, you back this week right?\n lifeless: can I have a quick voice call with you?\n sure\n skype, now?\n ok\n ?win 38\n Peng: I wonder if I could convince you to do me a favour?\n lifeless: I dunno. What's the favor? :)\n Peng: to decide on a good batch size, I need a graph with two measurements, for different batch sizes, and different project sizes\n the measurements are memory peak, and time\n I did that for a few different sizes on a copy of bzr.dev.\n the axes are group_size and project_size\n Peng_: yah, which I am thankful for, and is why I know I need to fix it\n Peng_: but I don't currently know things like 'how bad is it at 1000 on openoffice'\n Peng_: nor what the minima for bzr.dev is.\n OpenOffice.org? I imagine that's \"Peng's machine would die swapping\" bad. :P\n Peng_: so I'm thinking of a little script to reindex a branch several times with a different group size, and report the results in csv or similar output\n Peng_: of course, I'll run this on a canonical datacentre machine\n Peng_: the favour is to write the script\n Ah.\n then I can throw it at ooo, at mysql, at bzr, at bzrtools\n Peng_: if you are interested this would be really useful.\n I'm sure I could write some little hack of a script, but I dunno if you'd like it. :P\n I guess it would need to be possible to set group_size. I just edited index.py a bunch of times.\n Peng_: just has to work. Heck, I was considering a massive printf to replace the index.py file\n Peng_: sed would probably be nicer :P\n Or making it an attribute on Index objects that you could change from Python.\n hi poolie\n Peng_: sure.\n Peng_: or even - shock - a global\n so you don't have to get access to a specific index\n Oh, different methods have different group_sizes.\n yeah there are two\n there is 'how many revisions', where the inventory text size will chew up memory\n and there is 'how many file versions at once', where text sizes (isos!) will chew up memory\n I've never changed it in _terms_for_file_terms.\n sure\n whats in my head is to not guess about what works well for users\n but to graph it out, and choose the place that works best\n the two group sizes are independent\n well, not quite.\n Well...do you want to test both, or just the _index_revisions one?\n the file terms is capped by the index revisions one (can't index morefile changes than occured in a given set of revisions)\n I'd start with the index revisions one, that should give plenty of data\n though it may be confounded (a large index revisions one might use little memory, if the file terms one is driving the peak)\n does anyone have any recommendations for good conflict resolution tools?\n guns\n lots and lots of guns\n It worked in the matrix.\n hmm\n i think i want meld and a much larger monitor\n sdiff/ediff in emacs is nice if you already use emacs\n ediff confuses me a bit\n what's sdiff?\n i think the problem is that one branch has moved things around and the other has made small edits to the things being moved\n simple mode that highlights in-file conflicts, with some keybindings to pick one or the other or both for each hunk\n ah, out of that league, then\n spiv: shall we converse?\n lifeless: spiv is away at osdc today\n you and i could talk though\n oh!\n didn't realise osdc was here\n should I go down?\n poolie: you're on leave no? but perhaps a quick call could be useful\n poolie: I'll ring your house?\n poolie: osdc doesn't start till tomorrow? Or is spiv on the org committee or similar?\n yes, call\n osdc starts for realz on wes\n weds\n spiv just took the week off anyway i think\n planning to look at bug 302698\n Launchpad bug 302698 in bzr \"\"BzrCheckError: Internal check failed: Newly created pack file has delta references to items not in its repository:\" on pushing a stacked branch\" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/302698\n lifeless: OK, I wrote an evil little script for the bzr-search thing. I hope you weren't joking about running \"sed\" over index.py. ;)\n lifeless: Also, if it gets interrupted, things will probably be left in a horrible mess.\n hmm, does anyone here know (and is willing to explain) the difference between a transplant and a normal merge, or do I need to pester #hg?\n mathrick: AIUI, transplants can cherrypick, but it'll create a different revision with different revids and parents and whatever.\n (if we're talking about hg)\n Peng_: hmm, I'll guess I'll just ask the hg guys then\n Good idea. :)\n Peng_: thanks!\n poolie: I need to shoot off to the doctors too today, I forgot to mention it in all the kufuffle\n any idea how hard it'd be to implement \"add-on branches\" (as mentioned in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/bazaar/2008q4/050022.html )? It strikes me as something you'd really want to have to keep your distro work in sync with upstream\n or is there something I'm not seeing that makes it not a good / redundant idea?\n lifeless: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/YkaM3FCdH5ILeNUOlV0h/ -- did I mention that it's an evil dirty hack and you probably won't like it? :)\n * Peng_ is trying to lower expectations as much as possible.\n mathrick: it's probably not technically super hard, more a matter of deciding how you want it to work\n robert's idea of having marks of files or regions would probably be good\n poolie: oh, link?\n also, I was thinking about strands of development a'la threads in loom\n just with the opposite effect on your working area\n mathrick: using a loom and cherrypicking down would do it\n lifeless: could you elaborate? I tried to use loom, but decided it does exactly what I don't want with the history when I change threads\n mathrick: well the root problem you have is that its impossible to do a full merge/push from 'development' to 'mainline' *excluding data*.\n yes\n full merge/push always include everything committed\n so you have to cherrypick repeated - do merges specifying paths to merge, or specific revisions\n yup\n I could do it using loom by hand, but it'd require me to switch between threads to get \"development\" and \"testing\" views all the time, which is a pain\n Peng_: sweet\n ie. I couldn't actually run any code when in development thread, and I couldn't edit any when in testing thread\n mathrick: I don't understand why you couldn't run code\n lifeless: sec, lemme sketch that\n lifeless: http://pastebin.com/m23f854c8\n mathrick: edit and commit in testing\n lifeless: but then the changes will be only visible in testing, which means the pushes won't see them. They will be treated as if they were my local conf changes\n mathrick: when you are done, you can go to main, merge -r testing path1 path2\n hmm, lemme parse that\n what's path1 and path2?\n mathrick: you have to cherry pick testing to main, regardless of the toolchain you use, for your stated desire\n paths that you want to merge within the branch\n another way of spelling it is\n switch main; merge -r thread:testing\n bzr revert --forget-merges\n bzr revert server.conf\n bzr commit -m 'whatever'\n mathrick: have you considered 'shelve' though?\n right, but that's exactly what I wanted to avoid. It's heaps of manual work, and if I forget it only once, I have unwanted commits in the mainline I have to deal with\n hence the desire to have a tool which keeps track of what I want and don't want to merge for me\n loom is very nice for when you only merge downstream, but it fails to enable a nice workflow for pushes to the upstream without polluting them with distro patches\n mathrick: so, loom isn't finished; I think this would be great to have streamlined in loom\n there are missing components in bzr core to do a *great* job, but a servicable one should be doable\n lifeless: right, I'd love to have it in loom, although it'd really turn it upside down in some regards\n the current theory is that you would keep one or more threads for 'never send upstream'\n as for how you do the commits, I'd like a commit like 'commit -t main'\n to commit a change to a specific thread\n right\n it probably would want to merge-it-up on the fly\n what does merge-it-up mean?\n now, for something completely different, I have a repo that bzr serve completely dies on -- it uses 500+ MB RAM, then dies with some exceptions when clients try to access the repo. How do I debug it?\n merge each thread to the one above, so that the change does not appear as a change any more\n I guess I'll start for finding 1.9 debs for intrepid\n mathrick: well, firstly, newer bzr has fixed some memory issues from 1.6/1.7/1.8\n mathrick: file a bug with the exceptions though\n lifeless: you mean before I upgrade to 1.9?\n yah\n ok\n if the server side is dying\n (and the server is already running 1.9)\n no, that's the 1.6\n upgrade the server first then\n I'm trying to serve from my machine\n there are debs in the bzr ppa\n oh, interesting\n it dies right away now\n http://pastebin.com/d73b4f039\n mathrick: ugh\n mathrick: uhm, can you run with BZR_PDB=1\n sure\n then you can print self._sockname\n (Pdb) self._sockname\n ('::', 4155, 0, 0)\n humm\n I'd certainly start by filing a bug, but it does look ... odd\n it's getting an ipv6 socket?\n yeah that would fit\n definitely file that bug\n will do\n still, it'd be useful if I could serve in the meantime :)\n comment out that line, or just print the _sockname, rather than prettyising it\n e.g.\n return \"%s\" % self._sockname\n#bzr 2009-11-23\n igc: Hi. When you have a moment, could you take a peek at my fastimport MP? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~maxb/bzr-fastimport/branch-mapper-stuff/+merge/14594\n hi maxb: shall do.\n thanks\n james_w: what's the timeframe for changes landing into bzr-builder's trunk? Are you back home now or still travelling?\n igc: hes on leave for a week\n igc: and there is a backlog :P - I have a month old patch now :(\n james_w, lifeless: I've got some doc and minor code changes ready to go in. I'm asking because if that backlog :-)\n things will be leapfrogging rob's change as I have time to merge them\n lifeless: maybe I should submit them over a non-trunk branch?\n I reviewed some on the plane yesterday, but as LP doesn't send you a merge proposal I couldn't merge them\n hi james_w\n hi igc\n james_w: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~spiv/bzr-builder/merge-subdirs-479705 looks like it builds on Rob's patch\n I'll make it ~bzr-core owned or something one day\n igc: it does\n james_w: is that still to be reviewed?\n igc: that builds on one of my patches. the really old one is more complex and not relevant for the lp daily builds project\n I'd just like to play gatekeeper for a while so that we can learn what the project is\n it is still to be reviewed\n I have some comments that will make it resubmit, but I asked for the merge proposal early anyway, so we could discuss whether merging subdirs is something that should be supported\n james_w: my doc tweaks can go over trunk easily\n james_w: my code changes are pretty trivial so I'll submit those over trunk as well\n please do\n james_w: I just wanted to minimise merge pain for both of us if you were about to release a new trunk\n given six branches are more recent than trunk, I thought it was worth asking. Anyhow, enjoy your break james_w!\n oh, this new prerequisite branches feature is confusing\n it's cool and all\n but I reviewed this diff I was sent, the mail said nothing about prerequisite branches, and then the diff I got when I merged was a lot larger than I reviewed\n * james_w goes the other way\n james_w: start at the branch with no prerequisite\n well, yeah\n when was permit_dir added?\n context?\n oh, the test suite?\n a few months back now\n time to make dinner anyway\n james_w: please file a bug about the prerequisite info missing the email\n how do I figure out what merge algorithm bzr merge is using?\n idnar: default is 3-way, anything else is what you told it\n ah, okay\n the help should probably mention that\n I have http://paste.pocoo.org/show/152361/ in my .vimrc; on Gentoo it used to work that when `bzr commit`ing it would [among other things] set tw=70.\n For some reason having switched to Ubuntu this doesn't work anymore, though other things in .vimrc are being picked up.\n Anyone have even the vaguest notion of why this might not be working, and what I might try doing to re-enable it?\n you might need set nocompat at the top o the .vimrc\n lifeless: Hm. Well, /etc/vim/vimrc seems to suggest that Debian has compatible on. I'll try your suggestion right now, though\n I think by default, \"vi\" will run vim in vi-compat mode, whereas \"vim\" won't\n but I could be confused\n idnar: really? oh, that could be the problem\n I've found that I need set nocompat at the top for things to consistently work right\n aside: vim.basic, vim.tiny... is there a third I should have installed, vim.kitchen_sink? :)\n AfC: that's vim.scripts I think you mean... ;-)\n spm: just extrapolating from what `update-alternatives --display vi` had to say :)\n heh\n spiv: note that stuff submitted on the 20th is still on your watch ;)\n Ok. Well,\n $ export EDITOR=/usr/bin/vim\n caused things to behave, but prefacing ~/.vimrc with \"set nocompatible\" does not seem to have had any effect\n maybe .vimrc isn't even parsed when it's invoked as \"vi\"\n so idnar seems to be on the right track, but I'd like `vi` to work properly, not to assume I have some nostalgia for the 1980s vi that we all loved to hate.\n Is there a Debian way to make `vi` be Vim as Vim? I thought that was the whole point of the alternatives system\n vim is special\n because the vi/vim behaviour is not separate packages, its 'how was I invoked'\n AfC: \"set nocompatible\" in your vimrc - I believe should do the trick\n alternately; just alias vi=vim for a Q&D override\n spm: as I just said above, that had no effect\n gah. soory - missed that. bummer!\n spm: yeah, I'm trying to do this \"right\" (in Debian terms) rather than fighting the system\n spm: [I would have _hoped_ compatible / nocompatible would have done the trick, seeing as how that was originally [&upstream] the way to take vim and ask it to dumb itself down to classic behaviour]\n * AfC digs some more\n AfC: strace it on startup? it may be trying an old style vi rc file. name eludes me atm. ??\n I guess I could set EDITOR\n ew\n [better than alias, but still somewhat dirty unless done persistently system wide]\n you should set EDITOR\n setting EDITOR seems reasonable to me\n I'm not sure why it would need to be system-wide, it's just a user setting\n I mean, setting EDITOR=vim isn't much different to, say, EDITOR=emacs\n idnar: why don't you just pretend for a minute that all the other users on the system want it to be the same\n [notably, that root fellow]\n lifeless: if that's what you recommend, that's what I will do\n * AfC goes off to learn about how Debian is handling /etc/profile these days\n I set EDITOR so that I get the editor I want\n Hello all. How can one prevent replacement of one branch by another on the server?\n lifeless, spm, idnar: thanks for your help\n phcoder: do you mean 'make push prevent push --overwrite' or do you mean 'stop rm -rf' ?\n lifeless: both in preference however I suppose for the second one would need bzr+ssh\n (bzr+ssh only server I mena)\n *mean\n so filesystem permissions are the answer there\n lifeless: but how exactly? We still want people to be able to do a non --overwrite push\n oh\n so you can set append_revisions_only in branch.conf - see bzr help configuration\n lifeless: thanks\n Of course, people can do anything if they *really* want to.\n where's that no-vfs smart server\n Peng: they can send a missile on server, sure ;)\n phcoder: Well yeah, but firing up hitchhiker or bzrlib and turning off append_revisions_only or outright manipulating files through the VFS is trivial.\n Peng: if one has only bzr+ssh access can't one instruct daemon to ignore such activity and send a notification e-mail?\n phcoder: The VFS is necessary for some normal operations.\n Peng: like? Couldn't one adjust bzr+ssh to handle it as well?\n phcoder: Examples? ...I don't know.\n phcoder: Of course it's possible (and ideal) to make everything use smart methods, but the work hasn't been done yet.\n even if everything is smart\n append_revisions_only is settable through the smart API\n \\o/\n Though presumably it'd be easy to add a hookpoint that could restrict changes to branch config objects.\n When you run with -Dhpss, can you grep for VFS operations?\n Not trivially.\n Aww.\n Basically, they are the verbs without '.' in them.\n Ah. Yeah, that's bad.\n So something like \"hpss call.*?'[^.]*?' I guess.\n Looks like 2 of the 3 VFS operations on one push I did were getting .bzr/branch-format and .bzr/checkout/format.\n Ah, then getting .bzr/bzr-search/format at the end.\n Well, that one would be bzr-search's fault ;)\n The others could've been the fault of plugins, too.\n Probably not :(\n You could try -Dhpssvfs if you're really keen.\n I'm kind of keen. Is that enough?\n Peng: try it and find out :)\n I just tried it on a different push. There was only the bzr-search one. :\\\n -Dhpss_vfs\n No underscore.\n (I don't care enough to reproduce the conditions of the original push. It's a bit complicated.)\n (Although I'll probably change my mind in a minute.)\n Just did it. push_branch tries open_workingtree calls has_workingtree calls _ensure_real.\n Dunno about the other one.\n I bet it didn't happen in my other test because the destination branch didn't exist.\n Peng: Hmm, I thought I fixed the open_workingtree/has_workingtree case. Ah well.\n spiv: with my fix you can see it ;)\n spiv: different trigger I think, but yeh still bust\n spiv: you're still piloting the things filed on friday, right?\n spiv: I still can't reproduce it with a test branch, though.\n * igc lunch\n * Peng unhappily munches on Cheerios\n lifeless: I guess so, although I'm not sure what a good way to track that is\n lifeless: possibly we should keep that info on the PatchPilot wiki page?\n spiv: I'd say 'I'm piloting this' in a merge proposal you're piloting\n Hmm, yeah.\n Thanks guys. Good night\n* spiv changed the topic of #bzr to: Bazaar version control system | 2.0.2 and 2.1.0b3 have gone gold! time to build those installers | try https://answers.launchpad.net/bzr for more help | http://bazaar-vcs.org | http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | Current pilot: lifeless\n hi spiv\n thanks for the report\n No problem.\n i think we should mention it, at a broader level, on the blog too\n OldAl: hi, still here?\n poolie: Yes, apparently :)\n (Actually, I was away - shame on me for not telling.)\n menesis: Labas, bi\u00c4\u008diuli (Koks gra\u00c5\u00beus \u00c5\u00beodis - \"bi\u00c4\u008diulis\", nieko pana\u00c5\u00a1aus ne\u00c5\u00beinau kitose kalbose).\n poolie: I am off to an afternoon nap - good for my. and all mine, health! Be back in an hour or so.\n OldAl: i was just going to say\n you made a page about yourself called /wiki\n i'm just going to rename that to OldAl\n just so you know\n poolie: That's b. disgraceful... Thanks for telling me. It was meant to be called \"OldAl\". Thanks for telling me. The name probably can not be changed, can it? If it is a problem to \"move\" it, just delete it, please. I will need to read up on how to name a page.\n it's no problem\n it's now here\n http://bazaar-vcs.org/OldAl\n edit away\n possibly we should move all of them into /People/ though\n poolie: That sounds a good idea. I probably can do that - just make a link to it and then copy via clipboard the contents of them; start with my own.\n poolie: In about an hours time, please...\n I have a question...\n I'm getting an error when I try to branch a project.\n Permission denied (publickey).\n bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.\n This is only on my desktop. when I try it with my netbook it works just fine.\n DarkwingDuck: there's probably an error from ssh further up?\n So, redo my ssh?\n DarkwingDuck: the \"Permission denied (publickey).\" is from ssh, saying that it couldn't log in\n ahh. Okay.\n Are you trying to branch from Launchpad?\n Yes\n I had it working a couple days ago and now it wont work on my desktop\n However, my netbook connects just fine\n In that case, you can either configure your desktop's SSH so that it can connect to Launchpad (possibly by generating a public key and adding it to your account on https://launchpad.net/), or you can reconfigure bzr to connect to Launchpad anonymously (assuming read-only access is fine)\n Okay, thanks\n igc: I looked and qrun with regard to \"too verbose explanation\". I can not reproduce anything like what you quote. Would it be too much to ask you for more detail?\n igc: not \"and qrun\" bat at \"qrun and pull\"\n igc: A really serious flaw - bug - the GUI quits quietly if it encounters and error, viz. pull from a directory that is not a branch and the like. It tells nothing to the user, nothing at all - just quits...\n igc: You seem to be absent, so I will leave it at that and go to try to do something else.\n poolie: Thanks for moving my \"wiki\" page to OldAl. It is a flat file system, no? Do you want me to create a \"People\" page and link to it my own CV page?\n oldal, it is possible to create a People page and move yours to People/OldAl\n you can do that if you want\n poolie: There is always a chance with an old timer that he will make a mess of it... So I do ask!\n poolie: Thanks for the advice - I will go away and give it a go.\n poolie: \"go away\" as in next desktop...\n biab\n hi OldAl\n igc: Hi, igc!\n OldAl: try \"bzr qpull --ui-mode\" to keep the dialog open when a problem is encountered\n igc: I will do that and see what happens.\n igc: I just could not reproduce any kind of advice how to use the qpull or pull. Nothing like what you quote.\n OldAl: to reproduce my bug, grab a simple branch from lp, cd to the created directory and run \"bzr qpull --ui-mode\"\n OldAl: you can try it in a branch of qbzr say :-)\n igc: OK: so it seems that --ui-mode is the magic command?\n igc: So why would anybody want to use it in general?\n OldAl: nearly all q* commands take a --ui-mode parameter\n explorer, TortoiseBzr and qbzr-eclipse all call the q* command that way\n i.e. with that option turned on\n igc: What turns the ui-mode on?\n OldAl: sending error messages to the console isn't helpful to most users (unless they run every q* command from the console)\n OldAl: I don't get the question. Using the --ui-mode option turns that mode on\n igc: So if I call from CLI \"bzr qpull\" that will be in ui-mode? Or does one give this with every command to get feedback?\n igc: I will go to the next desktop to try - be back RSN\n igc: p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } Run command: bzr \"pull --ui-mode\" bzr: ERROR: unknown command \"pull --ui-mode\" I see where the *Run command* comes from. It is not really helpful with \"pull\", however. \"qpull\" maybe?\n OldAl: yep, --ui-mode is onyl for q* commands\n igc: Well, with wrong data (no reference to where mirror is) the gui gives \"unknown command\".\n OldAl: the quotes in 'bzr \"\n OldAl: let's try again ...\n igc: I still fail to reproduce your \"too verbose\" reply.\n 1) bzr branch lp:qbzr qbzr\n 2) cd qbzr\n 3) bzr qpull --ui-mode\n OldAl: the double-quotes in 'bzr \"pull --ui-mode\"' are odd, I'm not sure why you put them in. Generally you want to do 'bzr cmd --option', with no quotes. Quotes change the meaning quite dramatically.\n igc: All from CLI, right?\n yes\n OldAl: if you already have a qbzr branch, skip 1\n igc: I only use the \"xxx\" here to show it is an item that was put into GUI.\n igc: No, I don't mind the branch bit - not at all. Good stuff.\n igc: It (the PC) is pulling the qbzr - step 1.\n igc: p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } Run command: bzr pull bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~qbzr-dev/qbzr/trunk2a/ --directory /dat/work/dummy/qbzr No revisions to pull. Sort of success...\n OldAl: yep -that's success\n in reproducing the bug\n igc: It is a naughty message, I must say. OK, so I better go and try to get a fix on that. The freshly made branch would be useful.\n igc`Has anybody told you that you are a born teacher?\n OldAl: I write lots of documentation so I don't need to answer questions so .... no\n igc: (I come from a family of teachers, or persons engaged in some form of teaching.)\n igc: Thanks for your patience with an old man - me!\n igc: Hope to repay you in some small way!\n OldAl: no problem. In return, I expect you to find every retired people who and program and get them submitting patches to Ubuntu using bzr and launchpad. :-) :-)\n and -> can\n igc: I confess that I was not looking at the CLI interface with qpull.\n spiv, i am about 50% of the way to automatically marking reviews that need to be signed\n s//need the contributor agreement to be/\n igc: Typical misunderstanding - I was really interested and looking at [bzr qrun], which has a potential to compete with ... bzr-explorer. At least in some areas. I will now switch to looking at qpull - thanks again.\n poolie1: nice. Marking them in what way?\n OldAl: I'm happy for you to work on qrun. qpull is a gentle introduction to the qbzr code\n i think i'm going to make it post into the review thread\n assuming there's an api for that\n There's always email ;)\n OldAl: qrun will help explorer 10x more than compete with it IMO\n OldAl: if it's good enough for a class of users, great\n igc: I could not agree more. You need several GUI implementations.\n igc: Preferably different from each other more than a skin.\n igc: All the best. Buy for now.\n OldAl: bye\n igc buy -> bye :-D :'(\n Is there a better way to write: graph.heads((a, b)) == set((a,)) ?\n it doesn't feel very nice\n in a test ?\n in rebase's actual code\n b not in graph.heads((a,b))\n I guess\n Oh, excellent point :-)\n I was so tied up in checking that it had length 1 as well\n oh\n but no, because sometimes a and b are equal\n lifeless: maybe you could add your thoughts on how to do what james is after in https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ian-clatworthy/bzr-builder/fix-find-branches/+merge/15137\n igc: I've discussed it with vila already\n we need a change to the plugin path infrastructure\n lifeless: cool. Thanks.\n spiv, if you're still here, can you add people who signed the agreement for you to that team?\n * igc dinner\n also spiv, i blogged about it\n corrections welcome\n Hi! For trac-bzr, does anyone here have an opinion about what a revid without a branch name should mean? I'd like feedback on https://bugs.launchpad.net/trac-bzr/+bug/486795 for this, or directly here on IRC.\n Launchpad bug 486795 in trac-bzr \"Clarify semantics for revid without branch\" [Undecided,New]\n MvG: hi\n MvG: I am just a user , nothing more\n MvG: but how can a changeset exist without a branch?\n MvG: you could synthesis a branch for it, with it as the tip\n lifeless: following up on a discussion yesterday, I would believe that http://freshmeat.net/projects/fl-cow this can be of interest to bzr users.\n lifeless: this makes the --hardlink option much more useful\n chx: it makes it safer ;)\n theres another thing like that around somewhere.\n oh?\n I am rather curious\n I don't recall the other projects name offhand\n see, our svn checkouts eat more than 100MB each (wowsie)\n so when we migrate to bzr, I would like to see this stop.\n chx: how about using one tree and switching between branches?\n i guess if you wanted that, you'd do it in svn too\n poolie1: ?\n poolie1: we typically do one checkout per ticket\n ok\n my point is\n poolie1: so that the QA people can independently check the results\n ok\n i guess my point is\n if you know a better workflow , i am listening\n you can remove the checkout and then people can recreate it from the branch when they need it\n for example just bzr remove-tree and bzr checkout\n chx: so 50% of that 100MB is the svn cache\n chx: which bzr doesn't have.\n lifeless: i presume\n yay\n chx: do your QA people have their own machines?\n lifeless: no\n ok\n lifeless: this is a web project so they just browse to the developers address , easy (?)\n I see\n yes, for that you'll want separate checkouts\n also allows for designers , project managers other assorted riff-raff ;) to see etc\n but as long as you have a shared repo it will be only your files that show up in terms of space.\n hm?\n a shared repo?\n bzr init-repo myrepo\n I was thinking we will use a bzr branch -- local commits -- gatekeeper merges in flow\n then do your branching/checkouts within myrepo\n its a storage optimisation tool, it doesn't affect merge/push etc\n * chx reads bzr help repositories\n oh i see\n i created a repo, checked in Drupal HEAD, branched it and now i see that the repo .bzr is 5MB but the branches .bzr are only 440 and 500kb respectively\n that's a good trick indeed\n Sorry, didn't realize I got replies here...\n chx: while revisions without a branch are possible, e.g. when you remove the branch from which they originated, the issue at hand is a different one: trac-bzr is a bzr plugin for trac, and offers several ways for trac to name revisions. One is \"branch,revno\", one is \"branch,revid\" and one is simply \"revid\".\n chx: so the question is, if you don't know the branch a revid is supposed to belong to, how to you treat this in trac.\n hello all\n hello MvG\n hello bialix\n Hi there, bialix!\n :-)\n hello poolie1\n and good night...\n 10am here...\n poolie1: just yesterday read about five whys: http://www.startuplessonslearned.com/2008/11/five-whys.html\n maybe it could be interested for pilot improvements\n and good night\n MvG: this channel dancing arounf the world. aussies going to sleep\n *around\n So I guessed...\n Just have to resist the temptation to join in just yet...\n ;-)\n :-)\n Hey again, I'm re-looking for a way to express the progress of branching and checkout options to a GUI, so far I can either popen the bzr command with a thread and hack together the progress from the stderr output, I'd prefer to use bzrlib, is there any way to do this?\n bialix: yes i think that would be relevant\n we shouldn't just do stuff to work around the current problems, we should dig in to them\n agreed, and spiv report make me think this way\n glad it maybe useful for you\n doctormo: sure, you can see what bzr-gtk does (uses the API), or qbzr does (wrapps the command line) or bzr-eclipse does (uses the bzr-xmloutput plugin to control it)\n lifeless: Looking at all of those, bzr-gtk doesn't seem to do anything, it's magic.\n doctormo: look at qbzr\n bialix: Is wrapping the command line to prefered way of getting progress status?\n doctormo: I'm not sure why you'd say its magic :)\n lifeless: magic == I don't understand it\n doctormo: Not to me; install a ui_factory is what I think is preferred.\n doctormo: but opinions about 'preferred' are, by definition, subjective.\n doctormo: no, the point not about wrapping\n lifeless: yes I can tell the ui_factory is involved, it creates by default a TextProgress class\n doctormo: there is good example of how to install your ui_factory and how to tie it with GUI\n bialix: oh cool, I'll remember that\n bialix: In qbzr? thanks\n lifeless: is it irony?\n or sarcasm perhaps\n bialix: neither.\n ok, nm\n bialix: lifeless believed that qbzr wrapped the command line output, if I understand, so your correction about it using the ui_factory is interesting.\n doctormo: actullay we do both\n but for you is relevant ui_factory part\n it's just very closer to wrapping command-line\n you can omit the latter and use the former as example\n thanks bialix\n doctormo: it's in qbzr/lib/subprocess.py\n bialix: I'm going tomake a simple QUIFactory copy, I assume that's involved too\n yes, that's correct\n ui.ui_factory = QUIFactory() <- this part I think\n brilliant, got a simple thing up and running.\n Does bzr-explorer \"Advanced Commands\" work on Windows? It does nothing when I click it.\n does anything? :P\n maxb: yes\n hmm\n until recently it invoked console shell\n now it launch qrun dialog from qbzr\n maxb: if you have black console window behind -- look there\n oh, there it is\n I suggest to use latest bzr-explorer version from trunk to get qrun instead\n this console thing is a bit buggy\n Gladly, for my own use on Linux. But I'm briefly evaluating it on Windows for my less technical colleagues\n that's why I'm suggesting using version with qrun\n Is there a way to customize annotation colors? I want to distinguish clearly with colors the lines below and the lines above a certain revision.\n do i have to uninstall old bzr in windows before installing a new one?\n hsn: as usual Start -> Settings -> Control Panel -> Add/Remove Programs\n hi all im having a problem with the bzr add command\n for some reason when i run bzr add without any arguments it doesn't add one of my subdirectories\n check bzr log\n clean it, then add\n if i try to add the directory or any file in it explicity, it is also not added\n clean it?\n ryanhaigh: is this directory ignored?\n no\n check output of bzr ignored\n i have done that the output is blank\n does this directory holds another branch inside?\n no\n ryanhaigh: if you try to add that specific directory you don't get any error, but the directory is not added?\n can you check this with `bzr info /path/to/dir/which/refuse/to/add` ?\n thats right, it remains unkown\n this cannot be true\n either you discover very interesting bug (but I doubt) or you have something unusual with your directory\n ryanhaigh: open the bazaar log and delete the content, then run bzr add dir and check what's outputed there, it may tell you what's happening\n how do i open the bzr log to delete the content?\n in your favorite editor\n check output of bzr version to see where the log located\n ahh ok, sorr\n sorry\n I bet you have another branch there\n if so bzr should say something anyway\n bialix: you are correct there is another branch\n bingo!\n thanks\n I'm WON! hoorah!\n :-)\n Graah.\n * fullermd stabbies LP\n Every damn week, it comes up with some new way to send mail I have to filter out, usually into oblivion...\n hello fullermd :-)\n If someone is interested in reviewing a bit of trac-bzr code: https://code.launchpad.net/~gagern/trac-bzr/bug274609/+merge/15148 removes some unreachable code, as described in the corresponding bug report. Comments?\n bialix, https://code.launchpad.net/~gagern/trac-bzr/bug177683/+merge/15149 might be of special interest to you, as you first merged the original patch regarding bug 177683. Now I've added some str conversions and proper parsing for revids without a branch name. Will you have a look?\n Launchpad bug 177683 in trac-bzr \"All revisions and changesets starts with a comma sign\" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177683\n MvG: I need some time to recall what I've doing in the past\n MvG: thanks, I'm really interested in trac-bzr stuff, I'll look into your code tonight\n bialix: That's great!\n Thanks a lot.\n thank *you* a lot!\n cd wo\n (wrong window...)\n cd wrong window - lol\n MvG: ping\n bialix: pong\n MvG: from time to time I'm thinking about speed up of trac-bzr operations\n do you have any plans on this front?\n Not yet.\n I'm mulling idea of some sort of cache\n There are already some caches in place.\n And I believe bzrlib itself does some caching as well.\n for me is the worst case is to get Timeline with \"Repository checkins\" selected\n for my server it takes several minutes\n MvG: I'm not sure bzrlib cache help here\n OK, that's a thing that should be fixable.\n that will be nice\n MvG: do you have any hints re debugging trac-bzr plugin?\n how you do development actually?\n Debugging performance?\n bugs in first place\n performance is second\n As of last friday, I've got a dedicated apache for this, running as my user on a non-privileged port, so I don't have to worry about matching IDs.\n On the python part I've discovered virtualenv, so I've set up two different python environments, one for trac 0.10 and one for 0.11.\n no, I'm asking how you get info about what's going on inside plugin?\n So far performance hasn't been of interest, so I'm running trac as cgi, which ensures I'm always running the latest code.\n in bzrlib there is .bzr.log where one can print debug info\n There is a similar log for trac.\n Every trac component has self.log which provides this.\n Only trac-bzr doesn't use it for the most part.\n ok, I'll try to use it\n is there special reason for this?\n reasons for not using logs?\n Oh yes, and BzrRepository.sync even overwrites this log with None. No clue why that's the case, doesn't seem related to the rest of the commit that introduced it.\n weird\n MvG: another question: do you think running Trac with built-in server tracd is bad idea?\n Should fix this in trunk soon. Do you want to review such a fix?\n Depends on the environment.\n MvG: I'd like to review, but I need to dive deep enough into the code first\n I'm not good hacker re trac-bzr\n Apache has some nice features for cleaning up malicious requests, which tracd might miss.\n tracd is much easier for me, as dev environmenbt\n tracd is much easier for me, as dev environment\n Other than that, I always want to embed trac inside a larger page, so I wouldn't use it as a production env.\n ok, understand\n For development it certainly has benefits, and shouldn't hurt in most cases, unless you want to explicitely test something depending on the frontend.\n btw, currently I'm using trac+bzr trunk revno.34 with custom patch applied\n What custom patch? SOmething suitable for trunk?\n I hope so\n * bialix pastebins\n MvG: http://pastebin.com/d29e24ad1\n I'm not sure, maybe it already in trunk\n I'm stuck with revno 34 and bzrlib 1.5 because later versions does not work well for my case\n I have many shared repo and branches on my server\n In a modified version: authors = \";\".join(self.revision.get_apparent_authors())\n yep, modified version is more correct for newer bzrlib\n Multiple shared repos for the same trac env cause trouble.\n what kind of trouble?\n Well, locking for instance. There seems to be code that only locks the whole repo once.\n :-/\n Existence of revid checks in some places.\n locks locks locks\n heh\n Both of these I encountered in code that was broken in some other way as well, and which I plan to remove,\n So it might coincidentially work with multiple repos as well, but I wouldn't rely on it yet.\n There is a whishlist for it, iirc.\n For me multiple shared repo is critical feature\n we have many components in our project\n keep all components in one big shared repo proved to be a *bad* idea\n is it possible to just merge only the changes of a particular revision, and not changes of some previous revisions? let's say repo A has revision 100, and repo B has revision 98. I want to merge in only changes in revision 100 to B, not 99. Can I merge in, and then at a later time merge the changes for 99? Does that require a special syntax?\n (performance) of smart server\n eydaimon: bzr merge -c100\n bialix: and then next time I do bzr merge, then c99 will get merged automatically?\n yes\n thanks\n always happy to help\n MvG: so you are the trac+bzr developer?\n chx: I'm the newest member of the trac-bzr-team, i.e. recently got commit permissions on the trac-bzr trunk.\n Other than that, I'm mostly busy writing bug fixes for issues I encountered myself, and pushing these for review. Haven't made a single commit to trunk yet.\n MvG: re splitting support for 0.10 and 0.11: I'd create new series (say \"0.10\") and use it for 0.10-specific branch\n is it possible to merge several changes using -c? I tried range, but it said it's not possible\n bialix: Dunno... series are usually for feature-stable releases of the component itself, and I'd wish to include as many new features into the 0.10 branch as possible.\n would I have to merge twice? (I actually want to merge 386 and 387)\n MvG: hm? I think they can be used more flexible\n or do I have to merge 386 first, commit, then merge 387?\n eydaimon: if youo want merge from X to Y you need to use: bzr merge -r (X-1)..Y\n eydaimon: bzr merge -r 386..387\n -r385..387\n -r386..387 is equal to -c387\n oh, so now the -r syntax as opposed to -c?\n ok, thanks\n eydaimon: -c is syntax sugar\n -cN means -r (N-1)..N\n whoah. didn't reailze 'bzr init' in a svn directory would comlplain that it's already a (svn) branch. :p\n NfNitLoop: --no-plugins :-)\n ok thanks much guys :) appriciate it\n MvG: sounds awesome\n MvG: i am about to use trac+bzr :)\n * bialix using trac and trac+bzr 2+ years now and found it very nice tool\n chx: Don't hesitate to file any bug you encounter with latest trac-bzr.\n bialix: really.\n Trac has very rich plugins system\n on this front it outperform even Redmine\n * bialix heavily using IncludeWiki macros\n I find the current state of trac-bzr to be somewhat lacking - which is the reason I'm filing that many bug reports, and writing that many fixes... :-)\n given in mind there is not much activity around trac-bzr development...\n MvG: today is only barely usable\n MvG: what version of Apache do you recommend?\n abentley: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~trac-bzr-team/trac-bzr/trunk/revision/28.1.146 indicates that you committed the line which sets self.log = None for trac-bzr. Can you recall your reason for this? I know, it has been 3 years ago, but still worth asking, I guess.\n bialix: Using 2.2 myself, and would suggest that to others as well.\n MvG: thanks\n But my main reason for 2.2 is content negotioation fo static content, so the choice isn't that important for trac.\n MvG: Sorry, I don't remember.\n abentley: Understandable. Thanks for looking. Will simply remove that line, as it doesn't seem to make sense in current code.\n Hi. I have a terminology problem. REVISION is a name for the currently commited data, or a name for all the data commited before a certain commit (including this commit).\n matt_pi: revision refers to the current state at commit time. This includes files that were not modified in this commit, but doesn't include old data for files that were modified in this commit.\n I just realized that I can't seem to have a lightweight checkout tree of a heavyweight checkout without a tree. Would be useful, though: the lightweight checkout would be my working tree, which i switch from branch to branch as need arises. The heavyweight checkout would be simply a bound branch to ensure that commit and push become atomic, that my trunk will never diverge from upstream trunk unless I explicitely ommit locally.\n mvg: in general you can't have checkouts of checkouts\n Is there a good reason for this?\n abentley: I think I understand. So in a revision are also included other files that werent changed in a commit. In other words: revision is a status of the whole branch, not only a few files.\n matt_pi: Yes, but I would say \"whole tree\", not \"whole branch\", because the branch includes all of the past revisions. \"Snapshot\" vs \"changeset\" is a common distinction.\n abentley: OK, many thanks.\n matt_pi: np\n How do I set up bzr-git on Windows?\n How do I set up bzr-git on Windows?\n How do I set up bzr-git on Windows?\n ehm, same as usual?\n * LarstiQ uses neither bzr-git or Windows\n stuartpb: are you hitting a snag?\n well yeah\n i can't figure out how to install Dulwich for it\n ah\n * LarstiQ wonders if there is any C code in Dulwich\n * LarstiQ acquires a copy\n stuartpb: yeah, there is C code in there\n stuartpb: so if there isn't a binary for Dulwich, you'll need to have a functioning Python-extensions-compilation toolchain\n i just set up my first bzr server. that was not particularly hard. if i want permissions the easiest is to use bzr+ssh and ssh keys isnt it?\n chx: yes\n chx: and posix acls\n (however, the inetd instructions are outdated , seemingly most distributions use xinetd (?). standalone is easy.)\n verterok: hi\n beuno: Copyright assignments for Loggerhead? That's new.\n not really\n Peng, it hasn't been as public as it should have been :)\n \"(Last modified 14 May 2009)\" I guess it isn't new... Huh.\n I didn't see it on the list last time I looked at that page.\n Most of Loggerhead's code is copyrighted by specific people.\n Peng, does this create a problem for you?\n Or at least...some large portion.\n beuno: I dislike copyright assignments, but I'd rather do that than stop contributing.\n Or...it's not a copyright assignment? I don't remember. Anyway.\n Peng, unfortunetly, laws are complicated\n so we've been asked to do this for all Canonical projects\n Oh yes, it is a copyright assignment.\n can't Canonical invest some money in simplifying laws the world over?\n the FSF strongly suggests this approach\n LarstiQ, if it was feasible, it would probably be money well spent ;)\n (and hi!)\n beuno: yes :)\n heya! :)\n there are also jurisdictions where you can't sign (all of) your copyright away\n ah well\n LarstiQ: The agreement covers that.\n Peng: ok\n I already signed it for Bazaar; should I do it for Loggerhead too?\n Peng, I think it's the same\n Hmm. The contributor agreement says \"The term 'Software' refers to all computer programs created as part of a Canonical programme listed at http://canonical.com/contributors ...\", so I guess I unintentionally signed it over for everything, not just Bazaar.\n Peng: you'd rather assign copyright than stop contributing. How about the company stoping asking contributors to do that?\n RenatoSilva: Oh. Yes, that would be better.\n beuno: FSF suggests what approach, the assignment? For a trustable organization afaik (like themselves)\n RenatoSilva, yes. I may be very naive, but I expect Canonical to be trustable\n you know, considering they are trusted with basically root access to all Ubuntu users' computers\n Haha, that's a good point.\n * Peng is scared of Canonical now\n if you don't trust Canonical, you probably have bigger problems than the Copyright assignement\n beuno: well, I think FSF and Canonical have different reasons for it\n I'm not sure which reason is better though :)\n beuno: I'm afraid FSF doesn't consider any commercial organization trustable\n I'm reasonably sure the FSF has a nuanced stance on that\n I suppose I trust Canonical to behave well with their control of my computer, but I do not necessarily believe they'll do what I want with source code.\n I already feel funny about how they can and do make it available under other license terms.\n It's _probably_ all for a good cause, but _I_ don't know that.\n (Well, not necessarily \"and do\". I don't know that.)\n I think the assignment to FSF or related organizations is like \"GPLv2 or later\". You trust FSF is compromized with certain principles and that they won't leave it. So you trust that any later version of GPL is better according to what you believe regarding FOSS. The same way, I think when you disclaim copyright to FSF, you believe that if e.g. they decide switch from GPL to LGPL, that's because they have a good reason.\n RenatoSilva: Not everybody does the \"or later\". :D\n same thing with Canonical\n Peng: there is only one now; we used to have many seperate ones but consolidated\n Peng: many do afaik. I think the best reason to not assign copyright to a commercial organization is that because of its nature, there's no guarantee that the company will only use the source code for community benefit rather than its own\n lifeless: OK. :)\n RenatoSilva: thats like saying 'there are no guarantees'\n RenatoSilva: there are no guarantees with FSF either.\n RenatoSilva: it comes down to trust, and I trust Canonical with the Bazaar source.\n I'm kind of an untrusting person. :\\\n whether someone else trusts them with the same thing is up to them.\n LarstiQ: I've seen many posts on the ML lists that suggested that you can talk to Canonical to get a difference license conditions\n I haven't seen such posts from FSF on FSF software\n luks: so there is a level of trust etc.\n Peng: another good reason is to ask the company a good reason for doing that. That is, why do you want to TAKE my code from me? What's bad about the source code belonging to \"all people in the earth\". It makes difficult to change license? Well, that's reasonable to accept if we're talking about FSF or any non-profit organization, but not for a commercial company.\n RenatoSilva: No one takes the code from you. And updating to newer licences that work better in court as the law changes is a pretty important thing to be able to do.\n or even just to add compatibility with another open source project - like the openssl exception that GPL projects using openssl need.\n LarstiQ: FSF and Canonical have different natures. I trust FSF much more than Canonical. Actually, I would not trust any commercial company that much, or at all.\n RenatoSilva: that's your choice, and that's fine.\n note that I care about the Bazaar agreement much, but this why I'd have trouble signing it\n I signed a similar agreement for Qt/Nokia, but they were pretty open that they want it because they want to provide a commercial version\n luks, do you feel Canonical is not open about it?\n luks: right\n beuno: everybody here is claiminig that it's because they want to keep the code free\n beuno: about wanting to offer a commercial version of bzr?\n they *will* use it in other scenarios if the situation comes up\n beuno: but tell me that Canonical doesn't offer a non-GPL version of Bazaar\n luks, I am not aware that they do\n lifeless: ok, so why not Canonical disclaims copyright to FSF or some non-profit organization? Because they like to have control and be free to do whatever they want in the future, regardless of that meaning that the actual code authors can't do anything about it\n luks: Canonical does not offer a non-GPL version of Bazaar\n luks: have a look at our website; we offer support and training.\n lifeless: well, I've seen posts on the bzr ML telling people to talk to Canonical about such posibilities\n luks: http://www.canonical.com/projects/bazaar\n The Bazaar website *used* to mention it before the redesign.\n (posts by Canonical employees)\n Peng: perhaps; nevertheless we've never done it, and its not suggested now AFAIK\n lifeless: Interesting.\n RenatoSilva: I don't really follow your logic there. This has been discussed on the mailing list very recently too.\n http://web.archive.org/web/20080527233931/http://bazaar-vcs.org/: \"If you want to embed Bazaar into your products under a different license, please contact us.\"\n That's what it said.\n FYI.\n luks: withy that single copyright, they can embed Bazaar into commercial software at any time, for own benefit or any other reason (and without notifying the community -- I'm afraid the agreement doesn't even cover this). I don't like this idea, and others don't either (hg users seem to not like this aspect of bazaar)\n Peng: yup.\n Peng: To the best of my knowledge it never happened.\n RenatoSilva: I know why are they doing it :)\n RenatoSilva: I think you mean 'proprietary' rather than 'commercial'\n I think this was the third time i started a copyright argument in this channel. :D\n lifeless: yes, as commercial software anre usually proprietary. But what I strictly mean is any derived work that the author would not agree with. For example, I think Bazaar contributors would not like to see their code being distributed as BSD for some customer.\n s/anre/are\n do you really think we'd do that?\n RenatoSilva: Bazaar contributors always had to assign the copyright to Canonical, even if without a signed agreement, I think they would be fine with it\n the commercial nature is a negative point in that matter. It's the same as saying that you don't trust Chrome binaries, then one says you shouldn't trust FF's either. However, Mozilla foundation is far different from Google, and that makes a big difference in which you trust more (or suspect less)\n what's the point?\n luks: I would not be fine. I would not like to see my free time spent for the benefif of all people in a work that now I have no control, and that now is delivered as BSD which may become easily a proprietary software making them (not me) gaining money with my work whose initial intention was to benefit everybody, not someone (and worse, someone *else*).\n RenatoSilva: Even if Canonical went evil and did something like that, the current GPL code would stay GPL, everyone would still be getting the benefit from it.\n but we're not evil - as stewards of Bazaar I think we do pretty well\n lifeless: ok but as we said, we have no control behind the scenes, unless Canonical includes a compromise in the agreement of informing teh world of anything different they do with the contributions, which would make things less interesting commercially, which makes me wonder if they would do such a thing.\n lifeless: I don't know if you are evil :) But just like we say here in my country, we stay with one feet behind :)\n you have no control with any assignment anywhere (even FSF).\n but the chances of FSF selling your code are pretty thin :)\n well, \"your\"\n lifeless: but FSF is not Canonical, they're different natures.\n yes, can anyone imagine Stallman in some TV commercial selling \"hey GNU/Hurd for only $99\"\n RenatoSilva: yeah, for one thing, Canonical employees actually wrote the vast majority of bzr\n and RMS certainly has nothing to do with the Hurd\n maybe Bazaar should be maintained by a non-profit organization with legal commitment to public interests\n about selling the code, that's much more easy to imagine with a commercial company than with that crazzy man\n I have a technical question. For trac+bzr i would like to point to one place but if that's one branch then it's not possible to check out / commit parts . I would like to get something like an svn repo (and bzr init-repo is not a branch either)\n how do people use trac+bzr to support multiple branches?\n lifeless: btw i would be interested what a test for https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/bzr/bytestring-environment-variables/+merge/15113 would look like\n lifeless: or more particularly i guess, where it would go\n hm, i guess TestTestCaseWithMemoryTransport\n chx: I'm not quite understand your question\n bialix: nevermind\n mwhudson: seems relevant\n mwhudson: perhaps higher up\n chx: ?\n chx: this is one of the problems with trac; its got a _very_ svn specific model.\n bialix: I now read the trac-bzr README and it says \"Allows a collection of branches to be treated as a \"trac repository\", regardless of whether they are related or in the same bzr repository.\"\n luks: evening\n chx: yes\n lifeless: overrideEnvironmentForTesting, the method i'm patching is on TestCaseWithMemoryTransport\n mwhudson: then ttwmt is right\n :)\n hi bialix\n I am fine, i am fine, sorry for asking and not RTFMing\n luksL how are you?\n luks: I have question about lazy_register in qbzr\n is there a problem with it?\n luks: register_lazy_command deliberately don't use plugin_cmds.register_lazy\n luks: no, not the problem, I just trying to figure out how to slightly change it\n I think it should only use plugin_cmds.registry_lazy now\n luks: that's my guess as well\n there was the problem with overwriting commands\n but I see that's now commented how, so it no longer overwrites merge\n the custom function was mainly necessary to provide lazy registration before bzrlib supported that\n luks: I want to put all lazy commands definitions into big tuple and iterate over it inside one function instead of calling it again and again\n that seems good\n I think bzrtools does something like that, right?\n luks: yes, we have conflicts with pipeline plugin about overriding merge\n * bialix looks into bzrtools\n luks: yes, bzrtools using dict as map between cmd names and aliases\n ah\n I'd prefer keep them as tuples (as it looks now)\n yep\n ok, thx :-)\n didn't help much :)\n well, you said yes two times where I need\n this helps\n luks: if you still want to get notifications about new revisions in qbzr trunk you may want to subscribe to trunk2a branch\n lifeless: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/bzr/bytestring-environment-variables/+merge/15136 has a test now, who can we hassle into being the second reviewer?\n heh, I've been busy enough last weeks that I didn't even notice :)\n thanks\n * bialix hopes it was not too much shameless\n heh, I see jelmer is also working on bzr-hg\n I wonder in what state it is\n luks: it'll probably a code import option on lp in a couple of months\n maybe even in december i guess\n cool\n do you think dpush works/will work soon?\n i don't know, but would guess on \"soon\" if it doesn't work yet\n I need to try it out\n I really don't get what people like about hg\n I've tried hard to work with it, but I find my way around it\n +can't\n speaking of the devil :)\n hi jelmer\n hi\n i set up a bzr repository on my system, how can i make it public?\n it uses SSH\n mwhudson: Do you have commit access yet?\n luks: I don't know why, but I can't force myself to use hg longer then 15 minutes\n lifeless: no\n bialix: I have hard time understanding how they work with multiple branches\n poolie: ^ mwhudson for commit access?\n bialix: it seems multiple clones is the way to go, which is just weird\n hey luks\n meoblast001: serve it via http perhaps?\n jelmer: I was wondering, does dpush work in bzr-hg?\n hm :/\n luks, no, not yet\n so just put the repository in /var/www?\n or make a symlink to the directory? (is that possible)\n luks: well, it might sortof work if you don;t add any new files\n luks: multiple branches is not worse, multiple unnamed heads is nightmare\n jelmer: ok, no problem, I just noticed that you were working on it\n (on bzr-hg)\n what's the cool tool to check python sources for unused imports? pyflakes?\n * bialix don't remember\n hmm, it seems what I'm looking for: https://code.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/pyflakes/support-lazy-imports\n mwhudson: your branch still not merged to upstream? hm?\n oh btw. thanks for using python. i am not python coder. but , that does not stop me from coding in python when there is a need.\n bialix: i haven't proposed it, it seems a bit bzrlib specific\n (I wrote a two way skype-konversation gateway in less than 40 min when i first tried .py coding earlier this year. easy...)\n mwhudson: um, ok\n chx: it's strange but I've chose bzr mostly because it was written in python (initially)\n i want to make my repository accessible via HTTP, but i don't want to have to type bzr push bzr+ssh://blah.com/var/www/bzr\n the /var/www shouldn't be necessary\n bialix: I picked bzr when meld began to support it (yes. that was very very long ago)\n * bialix not using meld unfortunately\n bialix: now I am migrating my team to it four years later because a) yes, python. we are php guys but I know we won't stuck in a corner because of python b) it's atomic. and it means it. really. one dir , one commit. no messing with less c) easy to learn.\n d) it has good GUI\n svn and git with its staging area fails b) and after i needed to abandon an svn branch because it got so messed up with subdir commits -- I do not want to be there any more\n mwhudson: anyway your branch is cool: `commands.py:22: import of 'sys' could be lazy` -- cool\n bialix: yeah, it's ok\n thanks mwhudson\n meoblast001: You can use a bookmark to make 'myserver:' mean 'bzr+ssh://blah.com/var/www/bzr', then you could do 'myserver:foo'\n meoblast001: (install bzr-bookmarks)\n bialix: though it's a bit trigger happy -- not much reason to import sys lazily...\n lifeless: better question.. how does Launchpad do it?\n i want a familiar design\n meoblast001: custom ssh implementation\n mwhudson: I'm mostly happy about it's overall behavior\n :/\n lifeless: where can i get this custom ssh implementation?\n meoblast001: in the launchpad source code\n and can i run it and a normal ssh at the same time?\n not on the same port\n on different ports\n you'll have to do some development, or run a pretty big subset of launchpad itself\n mwhudson: just one nitpick: `pyflakes -h` don't want show me even smallest help\n does it really matter if you type /var/www or not, it's only once\n lifeless: can you symlink directories?\n perhaps that is an option\n bialix: that's a pyflakes thing, it doesn't do any option processing at all\n bialix: and it sucks, yes\n mwhudson: bzr teached me to use -h all the time :-/\n so now all other utilities that does not react on -h just look sweird\n meoblast001: yes you can\n lifeless: that would work perfectly\n * bialix loves pyflakes\n hello bialix\n lifeless: mwhudson++\n hello poolie :-)\n lifeless: also, remember, you can use your discretion as to whether a second review is needed\n poolie: yes, I am.\n poolie: I've made too many mistakes myself on equally small things to be inclined to short circuit review trivially.\n fairy nuff\n iwbni launchpad made it more clear which reviews i could vs should do\n bzr: ERROR: Server sent an unexpected error: ('error', \"Unknown repository format: 'Bazaar RepositoryFormatKnitPack6 (bzr 1.9)\\\\n'\")\n that's 1.9.. shouldn't the Jaunty version of Bazaar work with that?\n or wait.. i think i have hardy on my server >.<\n meoblast001: there's a hardy 2.0 in the ppa\n ah, ok\n hnngh\n spiv: hello\n poolie: code.launchpad.net/bazaar/+activereviews is a useful page.\n it's a great page\n i wouldn't say it's optimal though\n 2.0.2 and 2.1.0b3 is not annonced yet? where is jam?\n b3 got announced, i thought?\n mayb channel topic needs tuning then?\n spiv: nm\n * bialix waves and disappear\n spiv: have you pushed your pqm-submit fixes to trunk?\n lifeless: another question.. how does Launchpad manage permisions?\n SSH works using the UNIX filesystem, and permisions are done with groups\n lifeless: how does commit access relate to \"not having to get two reviews\" ?\n mwhudson: as a committer you count ass one of the two reviews.\n and also get to land your own things. I'm bored of ferrying things for you :)\n lifeless: ok\n meoblast001: Launchpad runs a custom SSH server.\n oh\n ok\n lifeless: i was aware the two were related, but not sure that they were precisely the same\n mwhudson: oh and it also means you can be the +1 on other peoples merges.\n lifeless: ah right\n lifeless: so, to be sure, you're ok with me landing that bytestring-environment branch?\n yes, with poolies concerns addressed.\n lifeless: I've only added him to bzr, not bazaar_releasemgr - that was the intent y/n?\n spm: yes, its fine\n coolio\n james_w: ever seen this:\n bzr merge-upstream ../lptools-0.0.1.tar.gz bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dobey/lptools/trunk/ --version=0.0.1\n ~bzr9\n Using distribution karmic\n gzip: stdout: Broken pipe\n tar: Child returned status 1\n tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors\n running tar xzf ...ptools_0.0.1.orig.tar.gz -C /tmp/tmphzmaq2 --strip-components 1 by hand works\n lifeless: oh, i hadn't seen his review yet\n lifeless: please file a bug, I think I know the cause\n Does anyone know about the bzr integration for monodevelop?\n lifeless: not yet, I still haven't gotten around to looking at the tests\n james_w: if you can give me a hint I'd love to fix it - am a tad blocked.\n lifeless: search for preexec_fn in the source\n something like that anyway\n subprocess doesn't reset SIGCHILD\n so you have to do it for it\n it might be something else, but it looks sufficiently similar\n james_w: tar is invoked using 'os.system'\n import_dsc.py _extract_tarball_to_tempdir\n well, maybe that is affected too\n so, you change SIGCHILD in bzr builddeb ?\n no\n except to reset it when something else is execed\n do you mean SIGPIPE ?\n yeah, sorry\n http://bugs.python.org/issue1615376\n http://bugs.python.org/issue1652\n thanks\n I'll submit a branch shortly.\n morning\n perhaps dumping this comment into irc isn't super appropriate\n but from launchpad's pov it would help to know at connection time whether bzr ever intended to write to the thing being opened\n mwhudson: it would help bzr too in some ways\n i guess it would be quite an upheaval\n james_w: linked\n james_w: so bzr-builder -> 2a. spm has a script that can upgrade everyones branches.\n I do?\n spm: jkakars thing\n didn't work :-)\n spm: data problem, not script\n spm: remember the old bug with bzr branches not having enough data?\n heh; doesn't ring a bell....\n anyone have a script (that will work on OS X) to do a \"bzr status\" on multiple project's in a workspace? I had CD'ing into each folder and running bzr status!\n eric_f: for dir in `ls $1` ...\n spm: bug 364 something\n Bug 364 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/364 is private\n Bug 354036\n Launchpad bug 354036 in bzr \"ErrorFromSmartServer - AbsentContentFactory (unfixable by users) error when pulling a branch from the mirrored area\" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/354036\n lifeless: just type that in the console?\n spiv: that scares me when you do that. ;-)\n spm: that bug number has been etched into my brain.\n jkakar: ^\n I actually checked the NEWS file just in case, but no, I remembered it all too clearly :)\n#bzr 2009-11-24\n Oh THAT one. right. /me recalls the pain. oh the pain. shared pain at that.\n lifeless: I should package autolp if the upgrade-branch-format command is something you're recommending to others.\n Having lots of RAM to throw at Loggerhead is fun.\n Though, if it's only something spm can usefully use, maybe it's not a big deal yet. It only has that feature right now, so not terribly useful to package it yet.\n jkakar: I'm pointing people at spm :)\n spm: anyhow, that the most likely cause for the failed branches; reconcile won't fix it.\n lifeless: Excellent. :)\n jkakar: running the fix script the bug has attached to it when a missing rev error happens would be nice (or even just do it to all stacked branches before starting the upgrades)\n lifeless: Would it be worth making the script catch missing revision exceptions and continue on, or should it blow up and stop?\n lifeless: Ah ha, okay. I'll look at doing that.\n the fix script is 10 lines of python or so\n Cool.\n so for branch in branches: if branch.get_stacked_url(): fixmenow;\n for branch in branches: upgrade...\n I think it's \"get_stacked_on_url\". :P\n Are there any rebase users around? I'm seeking someone to discuss my \"bzr rebase: Change behaviour to be as if --always-rebase-mergesspecified, remove outright the current default mode\" email with\n maxb: discarding merges can be very useful\n we support that in bzr core; I'm not sure why you'd want to remove it from rebase (also are you aware its now 'bzr-rewrite')\n q: is it adviseable to use the 'smart-server' in a high-volume production environment? The advantage of bzr+ssh = speed/encryption and the advantage of bzr+http(s) = encryption/flexible user management, correct? I'm thinking about setting up bzr+http (ro) and bzr+https (rw) and connect apache to a small db (test) or ldap (production) instead of using bzr+ssh and just would like a small piece of advice _before_ I start setting it up.\n SWAT: the smart server can work over http\n SWAT: so you've presented a false dichotomy ;)\n lifeless: The problem with the feature as currently implemented is that it discards revisions solely based on ancestry. What it should/could do, to be correct, is discard revisions only if a merge results in there being no changes to commit.\n maxb: perhaps\n maxb: though I don't think I agree\n You don't think that it's wrong that rebase is lossy by default?\n rebase is by definition lossy\n its its raison d'etre\n Well... far more lossy than the basic concept of rebasing inherently includes\n anyhow, a merge that includes something from the branch being rebased *on* should be discarded.\n whether or not there are textual changes is perhaps a case for a warning.\n Yes.... but only if there aren't relevant textual changes remaining on merging it\n maybe\n I think it really depends on the exact change\n and what it means semantically.\n lifeless: ah, right, thanks. Let me put it differently: is it adviseable to use bzr+http(s) instead of bzr+ssh or is it all neglectable?\n maxb: it probably needs to be put way down at the bottom of the rebase in fact, for the case of a merge already in the base.\n maxb: OTOH a merge from a branch not merged to base, should be kept.\n SWAT: shouldn't be any significant differences in performance.\n SWAT: if there are, they are bugs\n lifeless: thanks a lot. I'll leave you to your other discussion(s). Cheers\n I don't think it makes sense to try to replay merges out-of-order if that's what you're suggesting - the merge is on top of other changes on your branch being rebased, and is likely to have textual dependencies on them\n maxb: I'm not sure I was totally clear about the case being discussed\n Well, I'm approaching this from the PoV of \"It's never OK to discard a merge revision purely based on ancestry, you have to see if there are relevant textual changes\" - because the act of resolving conflicts when the merge was done may include making valuable changes.\n By way of a specific example: we had a Launchpad branch for a newer python version. When a new script was added on trunk, the shebang had to be changed as part of merging the addition to the branch.\n A purely ancestry-based approach would silently lose that sort of change\n maxb: but thats my example\n ?\n maxb: if you have the rev merged earlier you need the shebang earlier too\n hmm. The idea of reordering changesets instead of just replaying the graph maintaining its shape is scary\n maxb: rebasing anything where revisions merged higher up that are already in the new base is non trivial.\n maxb: (consider the typical loom usecase)\n maxb: where what you are rebasing is just a non-linear but still discrete subgraph, its easy.\n this is one of the problems with merges and rebase.\n spiv: can I beg you to fix pqm-submit today? It would save me reinventing yoour changes.\n lifeless: ok\n lifeless: although I would hope you'd choose to build on my changes, rather than reinvent them...\n spiv: So would I.\n lifeless: thanks for the tip on: for dir in `ls $1`; I got it working, but can't get it to work as a Bash alias. Any ideas?\n eric_f: I'd make a small bash script\n you might also look at 'bzr-removable', it might fit your needs (if I'm guessing right)\n Wow. \"bzr check\" on a 1.14 copy of MySQL is using more than 4 gigs of RAM.\n lifeless: I'm doing this:\n for dir in `ls $1`; do if [ -e ${dir}/.bzr ]; then echo ${dir}; echo --------------------; bzr status ${dir}; echo; fi done;\n Peng: it checks your RAM *and* your branch!\n i want to alias that so I don't have to type it all the time\n eric_f: put it in a script in your path\n then you don't have to type it all the time\n spiv: It's checking my swap, too.\n mem\n disk\n content\n \\o/\n profit\n But I don't want to pay for more RAM.\n This is really amazing, though. On a 32-bit machine with a 2a repo, checking MySQL isn't a big deal. Maybe 500-600 MB of RAM.\n 2a rocks.\n How did we ever live with the pre-2a formats? :P\n is there any way in a central repository setup to have the repository automatically update its tree on commit? the push-and-update plugin looks like a local hook, and the automirror plugin seems to only want to push to a second repo\n Currently RAM+swap is approaching 7 GB.\n Peng: Machines get more memory all the time. If we don't keep up with that increase, how will we ever compete with Windows?\n Can Canonical send me $70 so I can buy enough RAM to check this repo? :D\n Actually, only $50. I have a little money in my wallet. :P\n Shoulda bought memory back in June like I did, before it shot back up in price :p\n Linkadmin: not really.\n Linkadmin: generally that suggests you are trying to do something in an unusual way\n i just want the working tree to be updated when i do a commit...\n Linkadmin: Why does the central repo need a tree at all?\n Peng: sorry, i meant the branch needs a working copy\n not the repo\n Linkadmin: Why does the central branch need a tree?\n Peng: because i'd like to set up a webserver to point to the docs I'm keeping in version control\n so if i do i.e., bzr init-repo repo ; bzr init repo/branch and then remotely commit to repo/branch, i don't seem to see my updated docs in repo/branches on the server\n Oooh.\n and when I do bzr push, it tells me something about the remote tree not being updated :S\n Linkadmin: working trees are designed for local use, bzr can't update them over remote connections like sftp\n Linkadmin: you may be interested in the bzr-upload or bzr-push-and-update plugins\n spiv: yeah i was looking at that, but those seem to be local hooks, not run on the central repository\n Right.\n which means that the plugins need to be installed on every collaborator's computer, and they all need to use the plugins' commands\n Well, push-and-update hooks into regular bzr push, but yes.\n The simplest solution is to put a cron job on the server that runs \"bzr update\" every 10 minutes or so.\n i think i'll probably set up a second branch and have automirror push to that branch. Since automirror is post_commit, that means it's run from the central repo, right?\n If the central branch is only written to via a smart server (e.g. bzr+ssh), then in principle you could write a simple plugin to hook the Branch.post_branch_tip_change event and then run \"bzr update\" from that.\n But I wouldn't be surprised if there are a bunch of annoying details that make that harder than it should be...\n i was thinking about doing that too yeah\n I'd be happy to help if you want to do that, though.\n but it sounds like automirror would be a safer choice if it can run on commit on the repo, and not on individual systems\n post_commit is run where the commit happens -- i.e. the computer where 'bzr commit' is running, not on the repo.\n oh man\n The right server-side hook is Branch.post_change_branch_tip\n but wait...\n https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-email/+bug/307988\n Launchpad bug 307988 in bzr-email \"Central repository email?\" [Undecided,Invalid]\n this runs from the central server\n oh i see\n different hooks, ok\n Yes, bzr-email uses that hook\n do you know if automirror does? I'll go look for the code, brb\n (Although it will fallback to post_commit for ancient bzr versions)\n It appears not, but it's probably not hard to update it.\n Linkadmin: give me 10 minutes, I'll whip up a patch, this looks pretty straightforward\n w00t w00t\n Linkadmin: lp:~spiv/bzr-automirror/use-new-hook\n i was just looking at that :)\n i'll try it out right now\n just to recap my plan, i'll bzr init-repo repo ; bzr init repo/branch1 ; bzr init repo/branch2, then in branch1/.bzr/branch/branch.conf i'll tell it to post_commit_update (or whatever the setting is) to branch2, and when I commit over bzr+ssh remotely, that hook will run properly?\n sure. Dunno why you need a second branch thouh.\n well because i don't think automirror will properly push the branch into its own working copy without problems, right?\n uh\n so I would just call tree.update() from the post tip change hook on the server\n lifeless: the \"just\" there hides a few details, but sure :)\n I guess params.branch.bzrdir.open_workingtree().update() would probably work.\n then why doesn't bzr do that by default? It does it for local branches but won't do it on remotes...\n with try: except errors.NoWorkingTree:pass\n Linkadmin: because in the general case it won't work.\n Linkadmin: if you have conflicts, or the tree is locally edited, there is no UI for the person pushing to fix issues with it.\n gotcha\n And we'd need to define the network protocol for reporting those issues, etc.\n makes sense\n so it will probably come at some point i guess\n In your case, you're always expecting tree.update() to work because there should never be any local changes.\n Linkadmin: I doubt it.\n Linkadmin: its not on anyones todo list, and I know of plenty of cases where doing it would be very much the wrong think.\n is there a roadmap for features for future development?\n s/think/thing/\n lifeless: as part of patch piloting, please chase up contributor agreements where needed\n and add them to that team\n http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/326532/ <- is that ok for NEWS entry?\n thx a ton for the help guys. Gonna try out that hook spiv.\n poolie: I know\n i know you may already know this\n mwhudson: itym UNICODE(tm)\n :-)\n heh\n mwhudson: looks fine to me\n but seriously, good, except that I'd drop the final . from the url\n putting the tm mark in would have a certain irony\n to stop lp spazzing out\n Or wrap the URL in <>\n yes\n what should i set public_location and submit_to to?\n http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bzr-pqm/bzr/bzr.dev\n submit branch\n public_location should be something like:\n actually\n it should default to push_location\n which is fine\n if it doesn't\n public_branch = lp:~mwhudson/bzr\n oh sorry\n public_branch:policy = appendpath\n i meant the email address\n pqm@bazaar-vcs.org\n thanks\n that didn't work\n All lines of log output:Sender not authorised to commit to branch bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bzr-pqm/bzr/bzr.dev/\n oh\n trailing slash ftl\n nope\n All lines of log output:Sender not authorised to commit to branch bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bzr-pqm/bzr/bzr.dev\n igc: do you have a specific definition of \"gateway pattern\"?\n spm: halp\n mwhudson: yo\n oh right. I see. hrm.\n spm: i can't seem to commit to bzr\n mwhudson: do a dry run and pastebin it\n mwhudson: http://, not bzr+ssh:// ?\n http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/326540/\n lifeless: i suspect that until lp has a concept of mp assignee\n it will be easier not to have pilots carry over responsibility for things they started on\n spiv: ah, seems happier\n poolie: I think we should try it and see.\n poolie: handoffs are expensive and will likely fragement discussions\n mwhudson: I also use http for my branch in the pqm submission too, because pqm keeps having trouble with it. I honestly can't remember if that's been sorted or not.\n spiv: mine seems to be getting somewhere\n mwhudson: that good :)\n hi poolie\n poolie: I need to get lunch right now (with my sick daughter) but I'll bbiab\n * igc lunch\n woot, my patch landed in bzr\n guys, how could i create a plugin that automatically format the commit messages in a given way? is there a easy tutorial to create plugins?\n it's certainly possible but i don't know how\n mwhudson: thanks. but now i need to know the \"how\" part :P\n brmassa: there are some docs\n yes, i was aware i was't being very helpful\n * spiv tries to dig them up\n brmassa: http://bazaar-vcs.org/WritingPlugins seems to be the most helpful link, but I'm sure there's more somewhere, but I'm having trouble finding it :/\n Well, there's http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.dev/en/user-guide/writing_a_plugin.html, but it's pretty short.\n spiv: hmmm thanks! i ll take a better look. i will report back if i get something...\n Ah, there's http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/developers/plugin-api.html, but it doesn't seem to be linked from anywhere.\n Oh, via Specifications, I see.\n Hmm, the way the docs try to be both sphinx and not-sphinx is a bit confusing.\n poolie: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mbp/bzr-usertest/trivial/+merge/7532 - just push :)\n k\n lifeless: i'm going to ask for an sru for all of 2.0.2 into karmic etc\n to get some practice, and to get those fixes in\n cool\n do you want to talk about it first?\n if you like\n not especially\n i thought i'd just file it and then people can comment if they want\n it's been discussed a few time before\n the big question is whether they'll be ok with one sru taking multiple fixes\n and also i guess whether it's sufficiently conservative\n the key thing is 'auditable'\n someone will read the diff\n Hmm, 2.0.0 -> 2.0.2 diffstat: 54 files changed, 1562 insertions(+), 487 deletions(-)\n But about half of that is in bzrlib/tests/\n poolie: can I borrow the LEAN book when you've finished it ?\n yes\n lifeless/igc: how about upgrading bzr-usertest to 2a? any objections?\n poolie: sure\n poolie: I've done it locally last week iirc\n poolie: maybe I didn't finish doing the lp dance at that end\n oh maybe not\n 2a comes with lap dances?!\n poolie: JFDI\n our community is all dependent on 2a anyway to get bzr itself\n igc, oh, maybe you wanted to make https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ian-clatworthy/bzr-usertest/trunk the new trunk?\n suggest you reassign ownership too\n poolie: I'll take a look\n thanks\n igc, ping me when you're done and i'll do that merge for robert\n poolie: ok\n poolie: new trunk pushed but I don't think it went smoothly\n poolie: the old branch disappeared? Did you rename it?\n poolie: maybe lp eat it while I was changing the development focus\n ate\n poolie: ah. It's still there under trunk-old and things look ok now\n * lifeless really prefers in place upgrades\n they seem smoother to me\n igc: i haven't looked at the releases yet; there's meant to be one this week, but with john sick and on holidays maybe someone else should do it\n poolie: did you want to do our weekly call today?\n sure\n in 2m is good for me\n poolie: how does 10 minutes sound?\n So... bzr-fastimport\n how do I go about using this?\n igc, cup of tea loaded, call when ready :)\n poolie: now is fine :-)\n I guess I'll need to play with fastimport tomorrow - it looks like it won't be fun\n igc, no, not mine i guess\n done\n poolie: ^\n k\n igc: are you still here?\n it seems not, I'll send a mail then\n spiv: and where is your pqm-submit work?\n lifeless: a happy coincidence, just pushing an update now that adds tests\n spiv: just land it then. /me rs's the tests.\n lifeless: ok, will do. Thanks!\n spiv: how do you use it though\n lifeless: set pqm_email in locations.conf for the public_location\n hi bialix\n spiv: oh! so I need to edit locations.conf to send in gordon's merge remotely?\n lifeless: then use --ignore-local and specify the submit branch and public branch explicitly via the relevant options.\n (or you can put the pqm_email in your global config...)\n spiv: what do you think of looking up pqm_email on the target branch location ?\n lifeless: I have this in my locations.conf:\n [lp:~*/bzr/]\n pqm_email = Canonical PQM \n lifeless: that sounds reasonable on the face of it.\n ok, that will do. I'll file a bug for the other point.\n lifeless: I can't really remember why I did it this way, to be honest.\n * igc dinner\n lifeless: enjoy! and file bugs, of course :)\n * spiv -> off the evening.\n spiv: thanks\n OK, let's try \"bzr check\" again with 8 GB of RAM. And I'm not going any higher.\n poolie: did you land that usertest branch? because of the branch dance lp won't say\n hi all !\n vila: hihi\n vila: --no-strict! :)\n :)\n (as in, I'm hoping you can fix that bug today :P)\n hello vila! you're back!\n lifeless: yeah. got that. No promise, babune is almost red even in its reduced config...\n bialix: hi :) Still fighting jetlag, but getting there, hopefully I'll be able to stay awake today :)\n * bialix hopes you fly from warm sea and good rest ;-)\n vila: I won't ping you today, I promise; just glad you're back\n :)\n * bialix wonders why igc don't use lazy_register for explorer commands\n igc: Hi!\n bialix: Hello! What time is it now in Kiiv?\n OldAl: hi, there is noon now, we're live in +2 timezone\n igc is not here right now\n bialix: Well, left a \"hi\" for igc, but no reply.\n bialix: OK, 1200 where you live; 2100 in Canberra 1200 +900 = 2100. What part of Ukraine are you at? What is the nearest city?\n bialix: So you are near the Black Sea?\n hi bialix, OldAl\n evening igc\n What is a revision key? I found that term looking at the bzr source code...\n igc: Hi, igc\n igc: I'd like to land my patch for lazy-commands in explorer. I found some use cases for it. I'll wait till weekend if you find the time for review.\n igc: Just had a chat with bialix.\n MvG: revision key? maybe revision-id?\n bialix: No. The one-element tuple (revid,) seems to be /one/ possible form of a revision key, but I assume not the only one.\n * MvG is reading Repository.get_parent_map\n where isone-item tuple, there is possible multiple-items tuples\n yes, but with what meaning?\n direct meaning\n get several revisions from repo\n in a batch\n igc: I've downloaded the docs about bzr-plugins from your lp +/junk address, did make html, got the result in _html directory (I think). Lots of complaints from Sphinx about missing parts.\n I doubt it's treated as a list, because get_parent_map even deals with lists of revision keys.\n igc: Do you expect the documenters to know Sphinx? Or how much you think we should attempt to learn Sphinx?\n can't say off-hand\n bialix: that patches looks good and I've just approved it\n bialix: are you happy to land it?\n igc: thanks\n yes, I am\n igc: should I write some special NEWS item?\n OldAl: you need to know ReST. Sphinx adds a small amount over that\n bialix: it's mostly internal isn't it?\n bialix: add a NEWS item is there's an external impact\n igc: yes, it's internal thing\n igc: OK, I go to my home moinmoin (desktop version I use to keep records) and will change lots of pages to reST. I thought that moinmoin uses flat file system. Is that not so?\n OldAl: flat file system?\n moin supports it's own markup language and ReST\n igc: moinmoin is plugable these days. We do use the flat file backend, but its not exposed on the web.\n OldAl: ^\n igc: Most wikis are \"flat file system\"; They look structured, but internally they are flat file (all in one huge b. directory..).\n igc: moinmoin may be smarter - have not looked in detail.\n igc: Should be able to find out RSN, but thought you might know off hand.\n lifeless: what does ^ mean in irc lango?\n OldAl: that the line above also was addressed to you\n lifeless: Oh, I see that - so my desktop moinmoin is probably flat file system, but not visible on launchpad version?\n lifeless: It's ability of plugins is great for things like reST, listing of Python code, etc.\n lifeless: My moinmoin desktop is kind of scratch pad. It is great for a guy with failing memory for record keeping...\n lifeless: I get this message each time I connect: freenode-connect: Received CTCP 'VERSION' (to oldal) from freenode-connect. What does CTCP mean and what does the message say?\n lifeless, ping\n pong\n lifeless: One of the sprint notes said you were working on uploading a bzr-rewrite package to Debian/Ubuntu\n jelmer: its been uploaded to the bzr beta ppa I think\n lifeless: Is that still true, any news in that regard?\n I need to pull, audit and push to debian\n packaging branch will be on lp:ubuntu/karmic/bzr-rewrite/*\n lifeless: Ah, thanks\n jelmer: if you want to do that, I won't say no :)\n Maybe :-) I have some long-overdue sponsoring of qbzr and bzr-explorer packages to do first.\n gnight\n 'night\n what is correct way to check if file actually ignored?\n tree.is_ignored(path) does not check versionning info\n so if the file in the tree is versioned but match ignored pattern?\n hi all, i have an existing project from when i first tried bzr and it contains a few revisions with a significant number of large binary files that aren't really related. in later revs i ignored them but they are still in the rev history and so checkout/branch take a LONG time and uses a lot of space. what is the best way (if its possible) to remove those files from the revision history?\n night\n ryanhaigh: rewriting the history makes new and old branches incompatible. if you're OK with this you can use either rebase (rewrite plugin) or fast-import-filter\n hi GaryvdM\n Hi bialix\n thx for fast review\n GaryvdM: do you have any ideas how to debug and fix Bug 487115?\n Launchpad bug 487115 in qbzr \"qcommit: (warning?) message in console when files grouped into directory\" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/487115\n Pleasure. I thought that we behave the same as cli commit, but we were different.\n bialix: re 487115 - Not sure off hand, but I will take a look\n GaryvdM: actually it seems tree.is_ignored() is misleading API\n I think this function should be named as is_match_ignore_pattern()\n interesting, the patch with such change will be rejecting in first 15 min or so?\n bialix: I've been working on https://code.launchpad.net/~garyvdm/qbzr/better_text_display\n that's nice\n GaryvdM: if you have any opinion on qshelve, I'd like to hear\n (recent discussion with john szkameister)\n bialix: Yes - the stuff that I'm working on is very related. I'm busy reading your mail carefully, and then I'm going to reply\n I did not write my mail\n actually I think we can and maybe should create line-based side-by-side editor for shelve\n something like qannotate now\n when every line easily identified\n Yes - That is my plan\n bialix: Your mail from this morning\n yes, I did not finish it in morning -- have to run to work\n Well - There is a mail in my inbox from you re qshelve. May be you sent if by mistake\n *uit\n *it\n no, I've sent it debilerately\n I've write second part tonight, about editor'\n ok\n *I'll write, sorry\n GaryvdM: we have many good user-visible improvements in this release, I like it. Right for new year :-)\n Thats cool\n yeah\n I've starting working on change of code layout\n I hope to finish it and land after 0.17\n GaryvdM: I want to blog about new encoding selector in qbzr\n I remember in the past you've published some of qbzr screenshots in main bzr blog?\n Yes - poolie made me a author on there. Send Him a mail, and I'm sure he will do the same for you.\n bialix: One of the things I want to do with qdiif, is make it possible to set the encoding per file.\n GaryvdM: me too, did you saw the thread in bzr ML about versioned preperties?\n Sorry - No\n * GaryvdM reads the mailing list selectively\n hi all\n hey asabil\n is there any way to get a prettier output in bzr qlog when viewing the launchpad code ?\n I mean I want to filter out the [r=...][...][...] tags in the commit message\n hey jelmer\n asabil: you can hide the bottom plane, by draging it smaller.\n GaryvdM, that's not what I meant\n I mean in the log tree\n asabil: The latest trunk version has some self-improvement to the display of\n opps - pressed enter by mistake - that should read\n asabil: The latest trunk version has some improvements to the display of parents and children in the message box\n I am running trunk\n asabil - So you want to hide bugs and tags in the log tree?\n GaryvdM, the problem is that the launchpad history is polluted with some PQM specific tags I think\n all the commit messages are prefixed with some gibberish\n * GaryvdM goes to look at the launchpad history\n asabil: screenshot?\n asabil: there is custom replace feature for qlog messages\n qlog_replace see README.txt\n bialix, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/launchpad/db-devel/changes\n oh ok thanks, I will check that\n bialix: I forgot about that.\n wow that's a cool feature !\n funny - I've never used it.\n qlog_replace does not help for main window\n I guess, Gary may know better\n GaryvdM: I've never used it too, just read about it\n asabil: Please let us know if there are any bugs with it. I don't think many people use it, and there are no tests for it, so I'm worried that it might be broken.\n GaryvdM, it doesn't seem to work for me\n bialix: the other day you pointed me at http://starship.python.net/crew/mwh/bzrlibapi/ . Now I find it's lacking documentation of members. Do you perhaps know of a documentation that does include members besides functions?\n Does bzrlib.inventory.InventoryDirectory.parent_id behave differently depending on the absence or presence of a rich root?\n asabil: Ok - I'll take a look. Please could you log a bug so that it does not slip through the cracks.\n GaryvdM, yeah sure, I will do that later\n thanks for your help\n MvG: what do you mean?\n Pleasure\n bialix: http://starship.python.net/crew/mwh/bzrlibapi/bzrlib.inventory.InventoryDirectory.html e.g. doesn't list \"parent_id\", the one I mentioned in my question above. pydoc does.\n MvG: I'm sure mwhudson is master of that doc\n MvG: ah, hmm, there is used custom tool for building these docs, called pydoctor IIRC\n I see.\n thx.\n Don't feel like filing a feature request for such tools just now.\n the doc generated automatically, so if there is nothing than most likely either original sources lacking it or bug in pydoctor\n you may want ask mwhudson\n The members are undocumented.\n that's bad, sorry, I can't help here\n His name has been mentioned often enough, I guess if he's available and feels like answering, he will.\n he's from land of kiwi IIRC, so right now he's sleeping\n Maybe will read logs...\n * jelmer hugs jam\n meliae ftw\n oh, also\n * jelmer hugs mwhudson\n mzz: Do you wish to review https://code.launchpad.net/~gagern/trac-bzr/bug484983/+merge/15199 regarding the removal of the get_previous method we talked about the other day?\n MvG: did you check that the generated history for the root node is at least as sensible compared to the history for a subdirectory as it was before?\n jelmer: as you write such an encouraging comment about having bzrlib deal with dotted revnos, would you have a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~gagern/trac-bzr/bug487529/+merge/15201 and comment?\n mzz: Yes.\n mzz: Root of the branch you mean, right?\n It's way more sensible now.\n At least in the cases I encountered.\n MvG: yes (which was supposed to be returning all ancestry unconditionally both now and before)\n I'm just a little worried about there being off by ones in one if you're fixing them in the other\n but if you've tested them that's definitely good enough for me.,\n mzz: All ancestry up top the current rev. It returned all ancestry up to the tip of the branch before.\n MvG, you probably want to catch ValueError as well in revid_from_dotted\n MvG: and return None\n jelmer: Would happen if the tuple has an invalid number of elements?\n MvG: if there are non-integers in the string\n jelmer: The caller ensures that for now. If it doesn't, I guess I'd rather consider that an error on the part of the caller.\n Of course, I could as well drop the check for the caller...\n MvG: ah, never mind then\n also, any particular reason for assigning a variable and returning that rather than returning directly?\n seems fine otherwise\n jelmer: Easier to insert a debug statement in between, or some further processing step.\n mzz: Thanks for the review!\n sure, but it really doesn't mean much since I really have not looked at this code in ages\n this is more like me getting the impression you know at least as much about what's going on than I did when I wrote all this than me understanding the changes\n i don't suppose anyone uses trac-bzr in here?\n mzz: and that I made no obvious flaws, or recreated errors you did back then and still remember.\n Morbus: we were just talking about it :-)\n :-D\n oh great. i have a newb support question! ;)\n heh, heh\n Let's hear it.\n mvg: Anyway, the changes seem fine in general\n just grabbed the latest lp main, made an egg of it, installed it into local Trac, and made the changes per the README directory.\n my repo directory is set to [11:42] repository_dir = /ebs/repositories/bzr\n which contains a single branch - but eventually with more.\n when i head to trac/browser, i receive:\n NoRepositoryPresent: No repository present: \"file:///ebs/repositories/bzr/examiner-d7/\"\n so, it's seeing the (only) branch there, but not getting much further.\n jelmer: I'm just debugging a strange incident where a dotted revno won't get accepted as a revision. Requires my fix for bug 274609 as well, otherwise you won't even get that far.\n Launchpad bug 274609 in trac-bzr \"Strange code -- needs cleanup\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/274609\n i have a traceback too, if you'd like it.\n Morbus: Never did a single-branch setup yet, but wait a few minutes, and I'll try to reproduce.\n Morbus: Yes, please pastebin the traceback.\n well, i have a need for a second branch already, so maybe i should just make one of those first.\n lemme do that first, then i'll paste.\n *pastebin\n Morbus: I'd like the pastebin in any case, even if you don't need a fix,.\n sure.\n MvG: http://pastebin.com/m5ca7dcfe\n Morbus: what's the \"bzr info\" output from inside that branch?\n bzr: ERROR: No repository present: \"file:///ebs/repositories/bzr/examiner-d7/\"\n i blame chx.\n lemme move this outta the way and test with the brand new repo i just made.\n I don't see off the top of my head how you'd get that in trac-bzr unless there really is no repository (you did something weird like manually copying a branch out of a shared repository?)\n * Morbus sighs.\n um\n Anyone using the Bazaar plugin under Eclipse? How can I \"ignore\" a file from a directory under revision control ?\n I keep getting an \"*\" and it is annoying.\n mzz/MvG: well, so far, so \"good\". moved the examiner-d7 outta the way, made a new repo per the tutorial, and now:\n AttributeError: 'Revision' object has no attribute 'get_apparent_authors'\n which is likely as i did not whoami, perhaps?\n Morbus: Use newer version of bzr.\n yeah\n I don't know which bzrlib version added that, but that definitely sounds like bzr being too old\n i'm using the install docs from the site - annoyingly, centos 5/rhel extras only has 1.3. crazy.\n bzr has changed a lot since then, you want to update manually if there are no newer packages for your distro.\n Morbus: your assumption that the version requirement in README is up to date may be overly optimistic\n well, for bzr in general, not just trac-bzr ;)\n note to self: update README one fine day...\n anyone with some help?\n jldupont: not for Eclipse, sorry.\n jldupont: manually adding the path to .bzrignore might work, of course.\n * MvG doesn't use Eclipse.\n chx: I think Morbus was talking about chx records, not you. :-)\n GaryvdM: def me\n @mzz: and this .bzignore is relative to the project directory?\n GaryvdM: I am workin with him\n jldupont: relative to the branch root\n oh\n @mzz: oh yes, of course... thanks!\n (I'm guessing those are the same thing, but hey, I really don't speak eclipse)\n mzz: so I put a .bzignore in the .bzr folder?\n jldupont: no, in the same directory .bzr is in\n mzz: thanks for the help!\n np\n .bzrignore works like a charm! Eclipse stops showing annoying \"*\" all over the place! Thanks @mzz!\n jldupont: eclipse may well have a friendly click-and-point way of adding paths to that file\n I just don't know what that is\n mzz: I did look around **a lot**\n Morbus: oyu moved the branch outside of the repository, i wash my hands\n mzz: but of course, I am infallible\n I mean not infallible !\n chx: i told you in the other channel i had moved it outta the way *after* it was determined, above, that it \"wasn't a repo\" according to bzr info.\n Morbus: the repository is a holder of branches nothing is visible for most commands its just saving save for simialr branches\n chx, Morbus: I suspect you copied over a branch using cp -r while you wanted bzr push\n err, or branch\n mzz: nevermind\n the bzr commands can deal with shared repos, manual filesystem ops won't\n heh. curse you compile from source!\n * Morbus googles.\n mzz, MvG: well, i've got the latest bzr installed now. and the error is AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'FormatRegistry'\n * mzz frowns\n Morbus: what's giving you that? I don't see tracbzr using that\n /trac/browser\n Morbus: traceback?\n http://pastebin.com/m1aa9997b\n * MvG is off for dinner.\n enjoy!\n I probably won't be back today. If any trac-bzr bugs arise and can't be fixed, file bug reports.\n mzz: any ideas?\n sorry, missed your link, reading...\n Morbus: which bzr is that?\n 2.0.2\n tracbzr main as of an hour ago\n I have to wonder if something glitched when installing bzr itself. Sec.\n Morbus: your line numbers don't match the bzr 2.0.2 source tarball\n o_O.\n how do i make clean for python? i'll do it again.\n Morbus: how did you install? If this was a manual install consider killing off the existing bzrlib in site-packages completely before running \"setup.py install\"\n oh, nevermind. i already deleted source\n wget http://launchpad.net/bzr/2.0/2.0.2/+download/bzr-2.0.2.tar.gz\n no, hold\n I think I misread something\n * mzz forgot about demandload\n mzz: well, you know...\n still can't explain the traceback though.\n i actually did just reinstall bzr 2.0.2 fresh, and restarted apache (i run trac through it).\n now i'm geting an entirely different error\n fun!\n NoSuchRevision: CHKInventoryRepository('file:///ebs/repositories/bzr/examiner-d7/.bzr/repository/') has no revision ('vcs-imports@canonical.com-20091124053541-iw4cu21x2aa935fs',)\n that doesn't sound trac-bzr-related either. Does \"bzr log\" in that examiner-d7 branch work?\n ok. gimme a few minutes.\n examiner-d7 is a lp branch, which we're currently upgrading. waiting for it to finish.\n sorry. two people working on it at same time.\n I'm trying to shelve some unrelated changes, sadly, some of them are too close to related changes and bzr joins the two patch hunks together into one big hunk with two unmodified lines of context in the middle\n any way to split that?\n mgedmin, not afaik\n is shelve part of the core, or does it come from bzrtools?\n mgedmin: yes.\n dpkg -L bzr|grep shelve tells me it's core\n mgedmin: (there's one in each)\n oh, fun!\n * MvG is back for a very short while\n Is there a way to merge several (i.e. >2) branches into a single working tree without committing anything?\n I want to experiment with the interaction between different fixes but not clobber my repo with throw-away merge revisions.\n mzz: fyi, after the bzr upgrade, everything's working dandily. so at this point, there's nothing wrong with trac-bzr. it was all dependency problems.\n MvG ^^\n ok!\n Glad to know.\n is it possible to change a branch to --no-tree\n Will merge two fixes into lp:trac-bzr in a few minutes...\n chx: bzr reconfigure --branch\n Good morning.\n bzrlib API question: is there a recommended API for getting the diff of a commit in a post-commit hook?\n morning igc\n not yet\n anybody here? need help in English\n i have a BZR repo at sf.net enabled and something fishy is going on there... their loggerhead gives me an error about a revision that was never in one of my branches.\n is something knwon about the bzr installation there? loggerhead bug? maybe related to the fact that i never ran an init-repo but stored multiple branches?\n igc has used slogan for bzr-explorer: Version Control for Human Beings\n bialix: i'm here but my guess is i can't help you ;-)\n I need help in translate this\n zsquareplusc: so I need somebody else :-)\n zsquareplusc: what's the error?\n bialix: well, you could just try and ask anyway maybe someone is willing to help. (or maybe you did and i did not see it as i just joined)\n bialix: see http://mspgcc.bzr.sourceforge.net/bzr/mspgcc/changes it just says error / KeyError\n zsquareplusc: thanks. I know how this channel works\n a search with google shoes the same error for many other repos too\n s/shoes/shows :-)\n bialix: ah you want to translate igc's slogan? from english to an other language?\n zsquareplusc: Right now that page says \"no revisions\".\n Peng: interesting i saw that also from time to time... but most of the time i get a KeyError. ok after reloading i get that no revisions now too.\n but there were about 10 branches...\n my connection was interrupted\n zsquareplusc: I don't see error\n zsquareplusc: there is message: No revisions!\n fullermd: hi\n bialix: yes i get that too now. it happens to change from time to time :/ however there should be about 10 branches...\n that's bad\n init-repo doesn't work when there is already a .bzr . there seems to be no --force option, so i need to have local filesystem access on the repo?\n i think i'll start over with the server an upload the branches again\n zsquareplusc: you should have ssh access, no?\n yes, complicated. searching the docs on their site..\n try hitchhicker\n what's that?\n launchpad.net/hitchhicker\n I have a question about \"for Human beings\": is it closer to say just \"for Humans\" or better use \"for mere mortals\"? If you can answer please do, I'll read logs tomorrow\n <- not native english speaking. maybe a bit of both. i guess it goes mostly in the direction, \"easy to use\" also for non programmers or \"you don't have to be a geek/nerd\"\n maybe \"plain humans\" or \"ordinary people\"?\n the latter sounds fine for me in Russian\n bialix: Hi - Yes - I think \"ordinary people\" synonym.\n * is a good synonym\n good\n jfroy|work: I'm not sure if someone has answered your question re diff in post-commit hook.\n because current translation is just \"for Humans\" -- it does not sound so cool as in English\n it's more like \"mere mortals\", but \"ordinary people\" would work too\n GaryvdM: I pulled some code out of bzr-email that seems to work fine\n jfroy|work: Ok - cool\n bob2: mere mortals is stable idiom in my language, thanks for tip\n bialix: I think Bug 487115 may be a win32 or qt version specific bug.\n Launchpad bug 487115 in qbzr \"qcommit: (warning?) message in console when files grouped into directory\" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/487115\n But actually I could use a quick code review, see if I'm doing something stupid.\n GaryvdM: hmm\n * jfroy|work pasted http://pastie.textmate.org/713396\n is somewhere bzr.dev tree available via bzr protocol? http seems to be pretty slow\n hsn on Launchpad?\n lp:bzr?\n if you have your launchpad username specified, it should use bzr+ssh\n hmm, i cant login to lp, ssl cert error from curl. is there way to ignore certs?\n hsn: On Ubuntu, it should work if you install ca-certificates. Probably.\n hsn: Or stop using curl.\n pycurl\n its on windows\n download ca-perm from Mozilla if you need pycurl\n but better just uninstall it\n https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/82086 its seems to be known bug with pycurl\n Launchpad bug 82086 in bzr \"pycurl transport causes tracebacks if the server's SSL cert cannot be verified.\" [Medium,Triaged]\n poolie: i'm fighting with one of your old programs... gnu keyring on the palm...\n :)\n it worked well but as i don't really use the palm any more i wanted to export the database. but no success so far. and the app keeps deleting the DB starting over with an empty one :/\n and a bzr related question. i just uploaded a branch that's obsolete to a shared repo. should i just delete the folder in the repo? is there a \"cleanup\" command to get rid of the unused change sets?\n just delete the branch folder\n my bzr segfauls at AppName: python.exe\t AppVer: 0.0.0.0\t ModName: _groupcompress_pyx.pyd ModVer: 0.0.0.0\t Offset: 00005cfb\n zsquareplusc: There is no cleanup command. If you really really wanted to (like if you committed an ISO), you could create a new repository and branch all of your current branches into it, but it's usually not worth bothering.\n well i'm now uploading the branch that merged the other two so in fact there should not be many \"floating\" change sets left. OK\n poolie: you don't happen to have a export tool for gnu keyring for the old 1.0 database format?\n zsquareplusc: not on me; i think there may be one though\n i haven't worked on that for about 7 years\n check on the site or ask on the list\n poolie: yes i saw someone else took over later. but i was stuck on the version from 2000 anyway ;-) i tried the two java tools from the site, both give errors (\"null\"?? and \"negativearrayindex\") the 3rd site is unavailable.. oh well i'll probably end up exporting each one separately to a note and copying those..\n hsn: please file a bug\n is there an \"ls\" for shared repos (listing the branches)? qlog can do it but i'd prefer a console only solution w/o history :/\n zsquareplusc: The bzrtools plugin provides a \"branches\" command.\n zsquareplusc: You can even run it on URLs, but it might be horrifically slow.\n Is there any way to make bzr diff purely based on filename, ignoring file-ids?\n maxb: Ehh. Why would you need that?\n Dealing with less-than-perfect imports from svn, etc.\n Peng: thanks that works. i'm using it with bzr:// and it is SLOW. but at least it shows whats requested\n zsquareplusc: Running with --no-plugins /might/ make it faster, but I dunno.\n zsquareplusc: (if you have any plugins like bzr-svn installed, anyway)\n poolie: where, when for lunch?\n i'm getting a fun rich-root error...\n (pasting 3 lines)\n chris@geordi:~/dev$ bzr push\n Using saved push location: bzr+ssh://bar.com/srv/foobar/www/\n bzr: ERROR: RemoteRepository(bzr+ssh://bar.com/srv/foobar/www/.bzr/)\n is not compatible with\n CHKInventoryRepository('file:///home/chris/src/dev/.bzr/repository/')\n different rich-root support\n you need to upgrade foobar/www\n the repo? or the bazaar instance?\n the repo\n chris@zim:/srv/bar/www$ bzr upgrade\n bzr: ERROR: The branch format Meta directory format 1 is already at the most recent format.\n is that the upgrade method you're talkign about?\n sounds like you need to upgrade that bzr install as well\n to 2.0 or newer (thats what you have on @geordi, and why you are getting this error)\n i just ran apt-get upgrade bzr ... but that didn't seem to do it... is that correct?\n well, what OS are you using?\n Peng: i do have some plugins like bzr-svn but --no-plugins also disables bzr tools itself :/\n if its a release of ubuntu or debian you can use our PPA. If you are using a development version of Ubuntu or Debian you should have 2.0 already (but may need to apt-get update first to make it visible)\n hi jam\n zsquareplusc: Haha, good point. Sorry.\n Peng: there should be an additional option to selectively allow some plugins :-) (don't know if there is already)\n zsquareplusc: Yeah, that'd be nice.\n hey poolie\n I'm only around a bit, finally caught a bit of a break\n just wanted to say hi\n and that we're scheduled to do 2.1b3 i think this week\n maybe someone else could do it\n poolie: 2.1.0b3 is cut\n \"gone gold\"\n win32 installers are built\n just needs ... anouncment?\n I was probably going to announce yesterday, but didn't even open my laptop\n and now, I'm probably going to be done in about 10 min\n#bzr 2009-11-25\n k\n i may do the announcement, or perhaps igc can\n hi jam. I hope you're feeling a bit better\n jam: enjoy your break\n jam: sorry if I email re 'no announcement' came across as critical - it wasn't meant to be\n s/I/my/\n Would love it if someone could point me in the right direction... I get 'bzr: ERROR: Target directory \"drupal\" already exists.' when I enter bzr branch lp:drupal. I've previously used parent branch: bzr://vcs.fourkitchens.com/drupal/7/ but awhile back I started getting 'bzr: ERROR: [Errno 13] Permission denied' I don't know how to fix either but I do need an up-to-date copy of Drupal 7.\n lisarex: 'bzr branch lp:drupal' wants to create a local directory called \"drupal\", but you already have a directory called \"drupal\".\n spiv: yes that's probably the case (not sure how to check)\n \"ls\" will list the files and directories in the current directory\n Also, what command were you running that was producing the \"bzr: ERROR: [Errno 13] Permission denied' error?\n 'ls drupal'\n spiv: ok, yes there is a drupal directory within my 'root' web folder I'm calling d7 ... not sure how I missed that\n spiv: can I just delete that drupal directory?\n spiv: was running bzr pull\n If you don't want the directory, the sure you can delete it. I don't know if you care about its contents or not.\n You can also do 'bzr branch lp:drupal drupal-copy' to branch it to a directory other than 'drupal' (in that example 'drupal-copy').\n spiv: thanks, trying that now\n spiv: cool. downloaded the files. Just need to ensure that the files I've downloaded are updating my d7 directory too (I may end up starting over :))\n spiv: OK it has. Thanks so much for the help :)\n spiv, hi\n which of bug 437626 and bug 445171 do you think is more important? maybe the first?\n Launchpad bug 437626 in bzr/2.0 \"exceptions.AssertionError: second push failed to complete a fetch set\" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/437626\n Launchpad bug 445171 in bzr/2.0 \"ObjectNotLocked doing 'bzr log -r 199 path/to/file'\" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/445171\n poolie: hi\n hi\n hungry?\n poolie: reminder: lunch. Also can you add niel to the contributor team - I don't have accecss to do that.\n hm\n neil, I mean.\n remind me niel who?\n oh ok\n Neil Martinsen-Burrell\n he mailed in the agreement yesterday\n i understand now\n i thought you meant 'niel'\n done anyhow\n poolie: you've added me?\n yes\n i was going to try to make you an admin\n oh\n so really we should just change the owner to a team\n but i failed; see #launchpad\n probably\n rather than having us in it.\n as we haven't strictly signed it.\n I've sent mail\n is this something that you want me to fix? or... ?\n poolie: yeah, I think I'd say the first.\n spm, we could ask you to steal ownership but at this point that seems like overkill\n spiv, thanks, underway\n poolie: oki\n poolie: yeah, definitely the first, compare the number of duplicates. More users were hitting that.\n poolie: so seeing you soon?\n going to finish bug 437626 sru process then leave\n Launchpad bug 437626 in bzr/2.0 \"exceptions.AssertionError: second push failed to complete a fetch set\" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/437626\n so pretty soon\n * mwhudson remembers that there was a bzr bug that resulted in repos being very fragmented across many packs\n (a) am i right (b) is it fixed (c) which version has the fix?\n mwhudson: no, there was a bug where inside a pack we didn't consolidate properly.\n mwhudson: any 2.0+ is fine.\n lifeless: ah ok\n http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/launchpad/db-devel/.bzr/repository/packs/ has 26 packs, is that more than i should expect?\n mwhudson: no\n mwhudson: you could get at at 999 revisions, for instance.\n mwhudson: dump-btree on the packs-name index will tell you if you have stale packs\n lifeless: seems we do\n mwhudson: the number of packs you have is dependent on the exact operations that have taken place. The way it works is that there is an upper bound.\n and when the bound is exceeded by a transaction, an incremental pack is triggered, which consolidates the smallest (by rev count) packs into one, stopping at the point that will be under the upper bound.\n mwhudson: the upper bound is sum(int(digit) for digit in str(repo.revision_count()))\n Hi - Is there a way to find the revno of the common ancestor for two branches?\n lifeless: right, that's what i thought\n mwhudson: so 998 revisons == 26 as upper bound\n i guess i was too lazy to work out what that is for launchpad :)\n and in general, upper bound ~= 10*log10(revcount)\n mathiaz: not really, no. there is show-ancestor I think.\n lifeless: ok found a workaround for ubuntu package branches\n lifeless: bzr log -rancestor:../squeeze (in the lucid branch)\n lifeless: ^^ that gives the revno of the common ancestor\n<_habnabit> Is it possible to only merge part of a revision, without merging the whole revision?\n I suppose you can shelve or revert some of the changes.\n History-wise, you can either record that the revision was merged or not (a cherrypick).\n<_habnabit> So, merge that revision, shelve the changes, and commit?\n If you want to.\n What are you trying to do?\n _habnabit: yes, that works. But if that records as a merge, it means future merges will not try to merge the bits you left out.\n<_habnabit> I'm trying to backport changes from a fork of a particular project, but one revision has some changes I don't want to backport.\n Which may be what you want?\n Ok, my guess is that is what you want, then :)\n<_habnabit> I'm not sure what the exact connotations of what you said are, so.\n Well, after you 'bzr merge' but before you 'bzr commit', look at 'bzr status'; it (usually) will show \"pending merges\"\n igc: not critical at all, just genuine. I haven't had time because of X and Y and Z, and if someone else *has* the time, I'm really far behind\n and it would be great\n its a fair amount of work to announce\n and I didn't open my laptop really until this evening for a little bit\n _habnabit: commit records the contents of the files, but it can also record \"revision X was merged in at this point\". If it does, then the next time you 'bzr merge' in that branch bzr will know that the changes in that revision have already been merged and will not merge them again.\n<_habnabit> spiv, ah.\n<_habnabit> I did the merge, but it doesn't show that there are any pending merges.\n _habnabit: so the question is basically, \"the next time you merge from that branch into this one, do you want bzr to try merge all these changes again, or assume they have been merged (so only newer changes should be considered)\"\n<_habnabit> There were conflicts, though.\n<_habnabit> (And I resolved the conflicts.)\n Conflicts don't affect that; but if you do 'bzr merge -r X..Y' or 'bzr merge subdirectory/of/branch' or something like that, it won't record a pending merge in the working tree.\n<_habnabit> Ahh, I see.\n<_habnabit> Yeah, I did merge -r.\n Because the merge record is just \"this revision ID is another parent of this revision\"\n Which can't track revision ranges or merging just some files, etc.\n We'd like to track these more complicated cases, but we haven't implemented that yet.\n poolie: http://amp.carboni.ca/\n wow, that sounds fairly insane\n Rewriting Bazaar? That's not going to be fun.\n That sounds like a general waste of time, in fact.\n is there an equivalent to git gc in bzr?\n LaserJock: Removing unreferenced revisions? No.\n LaserJock: Recompressing the repository? \"bzr pack\". But, a side from a couple old bugs leading to bad compression, you don't need to run it yourslf; bzr autopacks frequently enough to keep things healthy.\n s/a side/aside/\n s/yourslf/yourself/ damn.\n (Actually, the bugs aren't that old, but they weren't frequently hit: you would have to have been using the 2a format before bzr 2.0.)\n LaserJock: BTW, unless you'r using the 2a format, \"bzr pack\" doesn't even do all that much: it combines the pack files into 1, bit it doesn't recompress them.\n s/bit/but/ What's wrong with my typing tonight?\n Peng: but there's the obsolete-packs dir, right. Does bzr pack get rid of that?\n I was just comparing .git to .bzr sizes on a branch and I noticed that .bzr was huge\n LaserJock: no, obsolete-packs is probably still there\n ok, well I just rm'd the contents of obsolete-packs\n LaserJock: Every time the repo is packed (whether an auto-pack or \"bzr pack\"), obsolete_packs is emptied, then afterwards, any now-unnecessary packs are moved into it.\n LaserJock: Why?\n Peng: ok, that doesn't make a ton of sense to me but I believe you\n because I don't know how to get rid of it otherwise\n LaserJock: It'll be automatically emptied later. Why do you need to do it now?\n 1) because i'm trying to figure out repo sizes\n 2) I don't know when it will be emptied\n it was an extra 100+MB sitting in my branch\n LaserJock: obsolete_packs is used because OSes can't be trusted to immediately write files to the disk. It'd be unfortunate if you had a power failure right after a \"bzr pack\" and lost all of your data because the file was really sitting in a buffer. This way, you still have the old packs around to recover.\n having almost 200MB for a 20MB working tree doesn't seem very space-efficient to me\n LaserJock: Which repo format? (\"bzr info\")\n 2a\n Aww.\n what does bzr thing about \\r in commit messages these days?\n if you tell me I need a newer format I'm going to kill myself\n LaserJock: Sadly, there isn't another new format yet. :P\n how can this be?!\n I thought the 2.0 format was supposed to get much closer to git with respect to size\n It usually does.\n LaserJock: how big is git for this branch?\n mwhudson: 22MB\n bzr is 45MB after rm'ing the obsolete packs\n most of the branches I've tried bzr seems to run around twice the size\n LaserJock: converted with bzr-git?\n on that one yeah\n other's have been git-svn vs bzr-svn\n *others\n mwhudson: Wasn't bzr recently changed to remove \\r from commit messages, at least on Windows and/or at least in XML-based repos?\n Peng: doesn't look like it\n Peng: bzrlib.repository.CommitBuilder._validate_unicode_text\n mwhudson: r4783\n mwhudson: It's only done at a high level, when you use \"bzr ci -m\".\n mwhudson: Other than that, I've got no idea what the \\r situation is. :D\n LaserJock: try converting with git fast-export + bzr fast-import instead. I think you'll see a smaller size\n LaserJock: than conversion via bzr-git gives you\n interesting\n the revids will me much shorter :-)\n *be\n 22MB vs 45MB isn't too bad, I just thought 22MB vs 200MB was a bit excessive\n LaserJock: Bzr's compression is sensitive to the rev-id and file-id scheme used. fast-import uses the native bzr schemes while bzr-git uses a custom scheme\n ditto for bzr-hg and bzr-svn\n I see\n hi all\n hello vila\n hello vila\n hey poolie ! Sotty, had to go to school for Juliette who is sick\n np\n sorry to hear that\n s/sotty/sorry/\n That doesn't seem too bad, a bit of rest will hopefully be all that is needed\n igc here?\n hello all\n hi bialix\n hi igc\n is it possible to say \"Version control for Human beings\" as \"Version control with human face\"?\n I'm still trying to find the good translation for you slogan\n igc: ^\n Hi bialix\n Hi GaryvdM\n Hi all\n * bialix needs to reboot, bbiab\n bialix: Ubuntu's slogan is \"Linux for Human Beings\"\n bialix: maybe translate \"Human Beings\" to \"Everyone\"\n * bialix back\n igc: for everyone is good\n thx\n * igc dinner\n bialix: Howdy. You pung the other day?\n fullermd: hello\n pung? how's funny word\n it's not relevant today\n Oh, sorta I guess. Putative past tense of 'to ping'.\n I've just tried to ask anybody of native English to ask meaning of \"...for Human Beings\"\n Ah, 'k.\n \u00d0\u00b5\u00d1\u0080\u00d1\u0087 \u00d1\u0084\u00d1\u0082\u00d0\u00bd\u00d1\u0086\u00d1\u0084\u00d0\u00bd \u00d0\u0096-)\n thx anyway :-)\n igc: has https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mbp/bzr-usertest/trivial/+merge/7532 landed? the renamed branch means lp can't tell\n who has moderator right re bzr ML?\n can you accept mail from Henning Eggers?\n bialix: done, thanks\n thx spiv :-)\n vila: could you review https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~doxxx/bzr/quiet-serve/+merge/15112 ?\n lifeless: done\n * fullermd pours some extra coffee for vila.\n fullermd: yeah !\n 'course, you're not _here_, so I guess I'll have to drink it for you.\n fullermd: that should give it a better taste anyway :-)\n vila: Incidentally, did you ever get around to looking over that Fasces stuff?\n ECONTEXT Fasces ?\n My colocated branch-ish dofligger.\n ouch, no :(\n Ah, 'k. I guess that field of endeavor isn't percing up anybody's todo yet anyway.\n Just wondering if silence meant that, or that it was so perfect nobody had anything to add 8-}\n Well, I think colocated branches should resurface soon (for some value of soon up to six months)....\n I have an svn repository containing multiple projects, each in its own directory with its own trunk/tags/branches setup. How do I teach bzr-svn to cooperate with this?\n hey, what's the command to use if my bzr server changed it location?\n yoavmoshe, --remember\n bzr COMMAND LOCATION --remember\n oh okay, thanks beuno!\n umm... bzr says 'no such option: --remember', runinng bzr 2.0.1..\n yoavmoshe, when running which command?\n update\n hm, I don't know how to change what branch it's bound to\n beuno: okay thanks. I'll keep trying and post here if i'll find something.\n well i'm not supposed to do it, but i just edited .bzr/branch/branch.conf and it went just fine\n yoavmoshe: 1) You're not supposed to do it indeed :) 2) That was the right thing to do 3) Please file a bug\n * beuno waves at vila \n * vila warmly waves back\n vila: you're sure? i'm thinking that there's probably a way to do it but i just don't have the time to figure what is it... I can fill a bug but i don't want to create some fault 'bug' just because i didn't RTFM.. :p\n yoavmoshe: better a duplicate than no bug at all, I'm pretty sure you're using a lightweight checkout (i.e. the setup used for a central server that rarely (never) moves) and as such you can't: unbind, pull --remember, bind :pull\n hmm, or maybe just 'pull --remember' would have worked...\n vila: um actually i use a full checkout, but some of the other clients use a lightweight one. I'll fill a bug\n yoavmoshe: can you undo your edit and try 'pull --remember ' ?\n i'll revert my changes and see, it it doesn't i'll fill a bug\n s/bew/new/\n yoavmoshe: great, thanks\n bzr pull doesn't work. it connects the new server, but it fails giving me an error for the old one. I'll fill a bug\n vila: i did 'bzr unbind' and then 'bzr bind $newserver' and it worked. You sure you can't do that on a lightweight checkout?\n you can't unbind lightweight checkouts\n okay.\n evening vila :-)\n bialix: ghaa, as if jetlag wasn't bad enough, now you make me wonder even more about what time it is :)\n just saw you're here, so decided to say hello\n \\o/\n privet kostja\n hello all\n vila: switch --force works with heavyweight checkouts.\n vila: (and also with lightweight ones)\n vila: thanks\n So, uh, how bad is \"inconsistent details in skipped record\"?\n it indicates a different view of history between two repos.\n how bad it is depends on the difference ;)\n :D\n \"Crushed by a giant packfile\"... what a great Subject: line.\n Huh, one version of the record uses StaticTuples, and the other tuples and lists.\n Peng: more fallout perhaps\n Pastie: http://paste.ubuntu.com/327982/\n The contents of the records themselves are different. Dunno if it's in a meaningful way, though.\n Maybe bzr is angry about my abuse of stacking. :P\n Peng: looks bogus to me\n lifeless: Bogus? So...nothing's wrong?\n well something is\n it may be in the warning code\n Well, I'm running \"bzr check\". We'll find out in a few days. :P\n Peng: thanks\n hi lifeless\n poolie: I've been looking into building the bzr installer for Mac OS X. Not easy... :P\n :/\n did you find any documentation about it?\n jfroy worked on it a bit before\n yeah I was reading his messages on the bzr-mac mailing list\n I also found some older wiki pages\n it would be nice to get those wiki pages up to date with whatever is expected to be the best method\n I'll give it a go in the next day or two when I can borrow the laptop from its owner\n i think guilermo worked on this too\n and he's sometimes on irc\n yes\n I'll probably bug him if I run into a tricky situation\n spiv, hey, nice bug work recently :)\n anyway, gotta run for a train. seeya later.\n lifeless: Should be done in about 34.5 hours, FWIW.\n hi poolie\n igc: ping\n hi lifeless - just looking at your Q now\n lifeless: nope, it has landed. I'll do it now\n has *not*\n igc: be sure to manually mark it as done\n shall do\n thanks (this is why I don't like the rename-branch approach to upgrading, its disruptive)\n igc, hi\n hi poolie\n igc, could you take over the task of proposing a merge to add graphs of the bzr bug count etc?\n mwhudson has done the database queries\n i'm asking you partly because you can actually test it against staging\n so it needs hooking into the graph system, and then for a merge to be proposed\n probably by copy&paste of configuration that's already there\n apparently losas can't do it any time soon\n i can forward the thread if you don't have it\n poolie: I guess so. It's all new to me\n poolie: please\n poolie: or just point me into the mailing list archives if it's there\n sent\n not necessarily right now, i just want to take it out of their queue\n it would be interesting to see if the mp queue length changes\n right\n poolie: the more interesting metrics IMO are ...\n 1. average/median time to go from 'patch submitted' to 'patch landed'\n 2. Average # of changes to bzr's mainline/week\n i.e. are we decreasing delays and are we increasing velocity\n patches welcome :)\n i'd like to see them too\n igc: I think your 1 needs some sort of normalisation w.r.t. to size\n anyhow\n i think breaking the ice as far as adding graphs would be nice\n lifeless: it does. Or even a cutoff - patches below 500 lines say - would do to start with\n#bzr 2009-11-26\n igc: want to take a second look at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~patrick-regan/bzr/lp-quicktutorial/+merge/15073? I think it looks good now.\n spiv: done\n igc: thanks!\n spiv: I have a suggestion for pqm-submit\n spiv: let it take a lp merge request url.\n lifeless: +1\n lifeless: any comments on bug 488544\n Launchpad bug 488544 in launchpad-code \"unclear meaning of resubmit action\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/488544\n poolie: yes, commented.\n heh\n expected you to say \"yes, that bug has comments\" :-)\n I'm not quite that harsh:)\n * igc lunch\n Heh, I made push default to --no-strict, and it just bit me. :D\n bzr alias oops='merge --uncommitted ../trunk'\n getting bzr revert ../trunk in there would also be good\n mwhudson: this is another reason to use a single checkout :)\n yes, i guess that's true\n lifeless: do you prefer merge proposals to already have NEWS in them, or is best to add that at the last minute, given the potential for conflicts?\n the former\n * mwhudson proposes a merge\n poolie: I have a suggestion for your lp scripts\n mwhudson: you can always resolve it later\n ok\n poolie: 'add an approve for folk in the bzr team'\n so that e.g. your proposals show up with 1 approval by default, once the script runs.\n non-canonical people in ~bzr?\n hm, i might be confused\n which script?\n well you're writing lpapi scripts to help bzr get more out of lp, right?\n ok, this is a new but similar script?\n yes\n interesting\n thats the policy we still have that LP doesn't know about.\n alternatively the robot could just complain about things that have had N reviews but not changed status\n thats also interesting to do, and different.\n so I wouldn't say its an alternative.\n would just adding those votes really add value?\n poolie: I think so. At the moment I have to read two columns: author and votes.\n if I knew that proposals from committers would have the committers vote present in the votes column,I could scan faster.\n hm\n i'll think about it\n you can prototype this by manually voting +1 on your own things\n its only a suggestion ;)\n hmm, the script would have to run as 'root-alike' I guess.\n because it would want to impersonate the committer.\n thumper: ^ would be nice to be able to do the above experiment.\n lifeless: thanks for the review\n lifeless: quick call?\n sure\n hello all\n Hi. :)\n poolie: btw https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~lifeless/testtools/0.9.1/+merge/15256\n poolie: thanks for the review.\n thanks for doing it\n poolie: I think I was more saying 'this is the outcome'\n do you think its more tasteful like this?\n i do\n cool\n i think it's less likely to lead to that kind of failure\n i guess we can see if jml agrees\n I discussed doing a point release with him before doing the change.\n I'm confident he won't object to the content of the change.\n lifeless: do you have any ideas about https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/devscripts/+bug/434987\n Launchpad bug 434987 in devscripts \"chdist fails with \"E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libattr1\"\" [Undecided,New]\n ideally, a way to work around it\n hi all !\n Whoop, that must mean it's time for me to go :p\n hehe, enjoy your night fullermd :)\n Oh, it's hardly night, not for many many hours yet...\n I just got through my post-breakfast stuff.\n oooh, you meant go *to* work, sorry for the misunderstanding\n hi vila\n hey :)\n vila, so how about if you add the comments for shelve-no-tty and merge it?\n poolie: fair enough, I'll do that (<- spiv)\n ping jml, spiv\n jml, spiv: can we get the emacs mirror on LP updated?\n see https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/emacs/trunk\n the new url is http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/emacs/trunk/\n igc, what should it be updated to?\n jml: how would I change that?\n jml: do I need to join some team?\n to get permission?\n igc, you need to be in ~vcs-imports. I've changed it.\n * jml is not here\n jml who is not there, can you re-enable that import too? It says Next mirror: Disabled\n igc, I have re-enabled it.\n but then it gets disabled again very quickly\n something is fishfy\n fishy\n wtf\n why\n is that owned by ~vcs-imports?\n Hi! While it's still some time off, I'm starting to think about trac-bzr 0.3.x releases. Have just registered a series in lp.\n (it doesn't seem like it is an import branch though)\n Now I wonder: should there be beta milestones before the official releases? Would there be enough of a user base to get actual beta-testing done?\n Or would simply asking people around here to give latest checkouts a try be enough of a test so I could simply start with 0.3.0?\n MvG: hi, are you about trac-bzr?\n bialix: Yes.\n given in mind there was no release at all in the past, I'd say you can just cut tarball and move forward.\n i.e. do release, or don't\n beta is overkill right now\n Glad you think so. Will certainly serve me a lot of worries.\n those who used trac-bzr already used to use trunk\n (how's bad I said :-/)\n mwhudson, I might have changed the owner way back when\n mwhudson, a more interesting question to me is, \"why does it apparently retry and then still fail with an error message referring to the old branch location\"\n jml: yeah, that's a bit odd\n * jml drinks something awesome that rhymes with \"banoffee\"\n mwhudson, I'm torn between investigating it, and not.\n hi jml\n jml: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/emacs/trunk seems happier now\n not happy\n just happier\n mwhudson, looks happyish\n let's leave it for 6 hours and see what happens :-)\n or kill it and start again\n mwhudson, the dates on the 'recent revision' thing seem a little off :)\n yeah\n (weird, years used to begin with a 1 and no one cared)\n poolie, hi\n jml: loggerhead seems to have a more plausible idea of the revisions\n i wonder if it's choking the scanner\n poolie, fwiw, I think that food prepared from _Lobscouse and Spotted Dog_ makes more sense over here.\n mwhudson, I'll bet its choking the scanner.\n it's\n jml, i bet\n poolie: re: devscripts, not offhand, let me have a look\n nm\n i'm sending a mail summarizing where i got up to\n anyhow, I'd be using schroot fwiw\n lp devscripts?\n * bialix hates to get random errors in the tests with sftp testing server like this: PermissionDenied: Permission denied: \"lock/held\": [Errno 13] Permission denied\n Hello\n could somebody help me with bzr gannotate?\n what I actually need is to find out the revision id of a changeset that deletes lines\n since the lines are not in annotate output, I can't find the revision\n what is the procedure for that in bzr?\n I'm doubt there is simple way to find deleted lines\n they are deleted\n maybe hgrep plugin will help?\n or log -p?\n oh well... there of course is. you scroll back in the revision history, till you find the changeset that still has the lines\n the next changeset removes them\n but it can be quite tedious\n I won't call this way \"simple\"\n would be nice if I could see all revisions in a file on a time line so that I could do binary search on it\n you're need weave representation it seems\n you may want to ask jam when he'll be here\n kostja_osipov: bzr qannotate provides the per-file graph, i.e. displays all the revisions that modify a file one way or another\n gnight\n vila: it's not quite true: this graph is sorted and represents only revisions which modified lines in currently annotated version. but if you go back in history and annotate older versions you'll get more graph\n bonjour vila, btw :-)\n bialix: hi !\n bialix: you're right, I keep forgetting the difference :-(\n bialix: I should really talk to garry about *not* using that graph but presenting the real per-file graph instead, I'm pretty sure the performance penalty will be lost in the noise\n vila: sometimes I have the same needs as kostja_osipov, I'm still not found easy way to bisect this\n vila: you can, but actually this feature done not from performance point of view\n I guess it's intended\n but as we see, sometimes this approach has flaws\n file a bug!\n please\n hello\n lol\n sometimes i work on a project with someone else. Now i'd like to do some kind of version control, he's been looking into bzr already.\n It's a webbased project (cakephp) and we're working on the same files every now and then, can this be controlled with bzr?\n yes\n in a variety of ways\n ok, will need to go into some tuts i guess\n probably.\n stanman246, have you used a version control tool before?\n no\n stanman246, the big difference from just editing files is that rather than just hitting \"save\", you can group changes together in a single \"commit\", which generally also has a short description of the change\n come across Git, hows that?\n stanman246, roughly speaking it has feature parity with Bazaar. I find it's UI more complex and less helpful.\n jml: yes, so i saw\n ah\n but... bzr is working with .bzr folders locally right?\n stanman246, yes, kind of, but that seems an odd question to ask.\n really need to tut first, before asking, sry\n stanman246, are you and your colleague editing PHP files on the web server itself?\n not at first\n stanman246, ok.\n that's good :)\n we used to use winscp to get the files, edit them and then up them\n but with bzr we could edit the files on the server right?\n I don't feel really comfy with that thos\n it's not a good way of doing things.\n VCS makes it slightly easier to separate changing the code from doing a release, IMO.\n and changing files onto the webserver in the web area is basically doing a release\n anyway, here's what I'd do to start with:\n make a copy of your code.\n local\n right\n ?\n for now, anywhere.\n just make sure you have a copy in case everything goes horribly wrong\n but also have a copy that you can change into and run 'bzr init' then 'bzr add' and then 'bzr commit'\n this makes a branch that you can play with\n if you put that branch onto the server (either by copying it or running 'bzr push' or something) then you can either check it out ('bzr checkout') or branch it ('bzr branch')\n vila: thanks, I actually used bzr log -p and was able to dig up the changeset i need\n kostja_osipov: cool, did you succeed with your cherry-picks yesterday ?\n vila: i'm still in progress.\n I am reapplying the first patch in a series, and it touches 40 files and each file has conflicts.\n our problem yesterday was a bit of a bit larger puzzle :)\n hmm, so you're back to doing the *first* merge without using patch -p0 ?\n hey all, I'm seeing the error \"not installing http[s]+webdav:// support (only supported for bzr 1.12 and above)\" on every command i run. any ideas why this is happening and how to fix? running bzr 2.0.0\n hi i have a question\n i have two repos one or locally connected server\n and other on my local host\n maxb: ping\n pong\n maxb: do you remember your patch for qlog to preserve leading spaces?\n yes\n and the problem is:\n does it still work for you with latest qbzr trunk?\n i first branched from server to my localhost\n than edited few files\n then comited locally\n maxb: when I've merged your patch I've added the test. Now this test started to fail\n bialix: oh. no, it doesn't\n and i can see status \"unknown\" in olive ide... do you know what does that mean?\n maxb: you've asked me why I want test for such small thing. that is.\n bialix: Your point is proven! :-)\n can we pair to fix it?\n I need to grab lunch now. I will look at it in a few hours\n ok, ping me when you'll have a time\n marek_: any reason to not use bzr-explorer?\n no reasons\n :)\n marek_: I don't see a log of your questions but I can help with explorer, not with olive\n maxb: when you'll back: here is my branch with updated test: lp:~bialix/qbzr/htmlize-nbsp\n To anyone interested in trac-bzr: I've got 7 propesed merges waiting for review at https://code.launchpad.net/~trac-bzr-team/trac-bzr/trunk/+merges . I'd be glad if at least some of them would have a second pair of eyes looking at them before I commit them to trunk. Thanks!\n abentley, mzz: of course past contributors are particularly likely candidates for such reviews, so if you can spare the time...\n MvG: sorry, but I have no interest in trac-bzr anymore.\n abentley: all right, noted. Won't bother you with this in the future.\n maxb: I found the root of problem, but the fix is not so trivial...\n maxb: fixed and pushed to trunk2a. testing are welcome\n hi, i've got ubuntu 9.04 running and installed bzr\n but the version is 1.13.1 and my colleague has the repository set up on v 2.0, can i upgrade my bzr version?\n stanman246: you can use the bzr PPA\n stanman246: There is a bzr PPA that carries the latest released version of bzr, bzrtools and a few other things\n stanman246: https://launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive\n stanman246: or you can upgrade to 9.10 :)\n haha\n thinking of that...\n hey, 9.10 is awesome\n the later is a couple of clicks away while the former requires a bit more work :)\n it drives my T400s just fine\n I think the only feature of the laptop that does not work is the \"silence the mic\" button\n but i bet i could make that work too if i would care :)\n hmm... on my hp 6720s 9.10 didn't work with compiz..\n just did the ppa upgrade to 2.0.2!\n ok, now i'm gonna read some! Thanks for the info!\n bialix: Are you still working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/trac-bzr/+bug/327508 as that report is assigned to you?\n Launchpad bug 327508 in trac-bzr \"[wishlist] add Bazaar Location link to the contextual navigation under Browse Source\" [Undecided,New]\n MvG: oh, no sorry, I'm not\n bialix: I guess I'll then reasissign to nobody.\n vila, email2blog: http://beuno.com.ar/archives/168\n yes, please\n MvG: too bad for me, I was too busy since 2009/03 until now\n beuno: hehe\n push --no-strict :-P\n bzr upload-files FILES --no-strict :-P :-P\n bzr upload-files --jfdi?\n --jdi? perhaps\n oh, got it\n :)\n it's the ruder version\n And the subliminal message is: vila, http://beuno.com.ar/archives/168, now, jdfi\n :-D\n vila, I'm glad that got through ;)\n ha ha ha\n bzr clone lp:~rocky-burt/trac-bzr/bug-263300 fails for me. Seems that the launchpad bzr server for some reason isn't happy:\n bzr: ERROR: bzrlib.errors.ErrorFromSmartServer: Error received from smart server: ('error', \"Absent factory for ('TREE_ROOT', 'bialix@ukr.net-20090118015300-t997i4a3wn3jjpr2')\")\n Any ideas? Is this a launchpad issue or a bzr issue?\n vila: Bug #488824\n Launchpad bug 488824 in qbzr \"qannotate: don't filter log of revisions\" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/488824\n bialix: lp:~bialix/bzr/shelve-no-tty make the test suite fail :-/\n details?\n shelve --all / shelve --list ?\n blackbox.test_shelve.TestShelveRelpath.test_shelve_in_subdir blackbox.test_shelve.TestShelveList.test_shelve_destroy\n * bialix looks\n it took me a while to notice because pqm send me a truncated mail for the first failure and I didn't notice the mail at first either\n shelve --all\n so....\n vila, I think plan B then\n hmm, weird, pqm fails for the second one only while both fail here..\n what is plan B /\n what is plan B ?\n oh and thanks for filing that bug, I went to lunch and forgot :-/\n you reject my patch and I provide new patch which will check tty presence in osutils around lines def getchar(): return msvcrt.getch()\n vila: shame on you\n but lunch is the most important, so ok\n vila: but I'll need your help for testing linux-specific getchar()\n hmm, I don't think that will work, there are cases where we want to read from stdin being a file and that's a valid use case\n msvcrt.getchar() never read from stdin\n this is direct access to keyboard buffer\n but it's windows specific\n so what?\n this is the root of my problem and why this patch is created\n so that doesn't match the cover letter of your patch that wasn't windows specific\n vila: because I have no way to test shelve in qrun on non-windows\n can you?\n anybody?\n * bialix screams: HEEELP\n vila: osutils.py around line 1900\n * bialix has no idea how linux part works, tty and termios not his area of expert\n * bialix trying to prepare non-qt test\n bialix: how about transfering your patch to shelf_ui.Shelver.prompt instead ?\n so you don't have to check at two different places... or in getchar() but making the os specific versions pushed down to _getchar() ?\n this is possible\n I'm clearly get lost in shelf_ui\n usage of sys.stdout makes me nervous\n getchar() is used only prompt() but it seems to require a real terminal anyway\n hi GaryvdM\n privet Gary\n that means hi\n Hi bialix, vila\n hi GaryvdM\n vila: your chance to say about log in annotate!\n hehe\n joke\n I've just stumbled with it myself\n GaryvdM: bialix just filed bug #488824 about qblame not using a true per-file graph\n Launchpad bug 488824 in qbzr \"qannotate: don't filter log of revisions\" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/488824\n GaryvdM: can you remind me why ?\n vila: so ok, I'm agree moving my tty check to prompt\n err, I mean\n vila: Performance\n vila: so I need resubmit or you reject or how?\n vila: maybe have a right click - \"Show all revisions that change this file\" option\n GaryvdM: I'm agree to have knob\n bialix: just pushing the change to your branch should be enough\n bialix: knob?\n I want a plugin that has a pre_change_branch_tip hook, that I configure to run a test suit before I push to a specified location\n That will be like a mini pqm that I can use for qbzr\n GaryvdM: that shouldn't be a perf problem, we do that for bzr log FILE by finding the relevant keys in the index\n GaryvdM: checkbox\n vila: Yes - but it is still slower than just taking the list of revisions from the annotate\n bialix: ok - I see\n GaryvdM: or context menu -- does not matter\n GaryvdM: hook? I can do it\n GaryvdM: hmm, faster but incorrect :-) It will be nice if you could do it in the background after displaying the first page :-D\n Does such a plugin exist, or should I write one from scratch?\n GaryvdM: it would be pretty trivial\n vila: can I ask about tree.is_ignored?\n vila: Yes - I can do it after the annotate has been shown.\n But I'm still a bit surprised that querying the index only makes such a difference compared to the annotation time... anyway, you know better, but we had a use case this morning that your current implementation doesn't help (I thought it was):\n it was afternoon\n searching for deleted lines can be done only if all revisions are displayed in the graph\n vila: yes\n bialix: before my lunch is morning :-)\n bialix: even if I take it at seven PM :D\n yep, I'm a bit distracted\n :-D\n LOL\n bialix: what about trees.is_ignored ?\n I think the name is awfully misleading\n so I think is it worth to starting patch or just forget\n this method does not check is file actually ignored\n it returns matching ignore pattern only\n that's what the docstring says\n so if file versioned but matches ignore pattern -- this function name is wrong\n >-/\n docstring said: Check whether the filename is ignored by this tree.\n What will be a better name ?\n this is not true\n bialix: look at the workingtree one\n better name: something about ignore pattern\n Check whether the filename matches an ignore pattern.\n ECONFLICT\n but anyway, my point still valid\n function name is not correct\n it's counterintuitive for API users (QBzr)\n I've just yesterday fixed serious bug because of this\n I don't follow. What are you searching for ?\n There is no such thing as an ignored file. If you want to be pedantic you should say: will that file be ignored if I try to add it *now*.\n That's what wt.is_ignored() answers\n vila: we understood it to be \"is this file ignored\"\n Hmm, not even\n But what does that mean ?\n wt.would_be_ignored() vs wt.is_being_ignored() maybe?\n vila: The bug fix that bialix was taking about = \"is_ignored = not versioned and tree.is_ingored()\"\n gioele: yes\n vila: WorkingTree subclass MutabkeTree which in turn subclass tree.Tree\n tree.Tree is therefore defined interface IIUC\n and interface in tree.Tree said that is_ignored checks is file actually ignored\n I suppose somewhere along the road original meaning has lost\n and now is_ignored means is_matches_ignore_pattern\n Sounds right\n so to remove confusion in weak minds like mine and I have proposal to change method name\n bialix: good, you understand that means taking care about deprecating the old name right ?\n yes,\n that's why I'm trying to talk with some of core devs first\n IIUC such change is too big for 2.1.0rc\n so better to make it after 2.1.0 gone glod\n right?\n That's for the 2.1 RM to decide, don't worry too much about it, that's why we have deprecations for\n this function is very heavily used\n and not only inside bzrlib\n but and by 3rd party tools, I guess\n at least in QBzr definitely\n I will worry too much\n Then maybe only the doc should be fixed ?\n mmmm, no. all or nothing\n the name is misleading in my humble opinion\n lol, is that how you negotiate ?\n no :-)\n ha, good :)\n but writing such patch only to change docstring in tree\n is too trivial\n and this was real WTF for me\n I guess name is wrong today\n hmmm, I'm not a native english speaker, so when in doubt, I either write a test or read the code :)\n as you see there is 2 places to read\n I have no idea about other implementations....\n tree.is_ignored() returning False sounds.... arbitrary, wt.is_ignored() implementation is obviously tied to .bzrignore (both the user one and the global one),\n * bialix inspecting qannotate for tree.py\n the misleading bit is that the temporal indication is nowhere to be seen\n also, revisiontree inherits from tree so is_ignored() returning False is understandable there\n what's the sense of is_ignored in revisiontree?\n according to annotation Tree.is_ignored has added by lifeless in 2255.7.97 revid:robertc@robertcollins.net-20070305031021-ypbakvagbivyw5mu\n but this revision does not use this api, and don't test it\n no, sorry, I'm wrong\n * bialix looks on Gary with prayer to search in qdiff/qannotate\n GaryvdM: idea: what you think about adding grep to qbrowse?\n * bialix gave up\n bialix: Search in diff/annotate - Soon\n bialix: for browse: I was planning to use bzr-search.\n bzr-search?\n bialix: like qlog\n no, I mean search in files of specific revision\n bzr-search will going through all history?\n vila: back to shelve-notty: do you have good comment for me so I can use it when I'll rework my patch?\n bialix: but you can filter it for a specific revision easily\n I don't understand yet\n bialix: maybe grep would be better\n bialix: anyway - I'm not plaining to work on that any time soon - sorry\n bialix: yup, see lp:~vila/bzr/shelve-no-tty\n bialix: but search in diff/annotate soon\n bialix: the tests are passing here, please test that is still works for you\n GaryvdM: I don't asking you to work, I'm asking your opinion\n ideas bouncing as you said other day\n bialix: I see - To be honest, I'm not too familiar with grep\n vila: branching\n GaryvdM: heh, I'm even manage to write something like ack in python for fun\n ack or awk ?\n grep just searching in files for pattern\n vila: ack\n oh, yes, ack, I keep forgetting about it, the perl thing ?\n yep\n bialix: What I'm unsure of is how you could get grep to read the text of a revision tree.\n because I have no desire to install Perl on Windows only for one utility it was fun to rewrite it (partially)\n GaryvdM: I will do it via python\n I said grep-like not grep itself\n there is hgrep plugin\n I don't think hgrep works\n I'm just bad to remember too much things\n bialix: that's why grep is good for you :-D\n ?\n perhaps I'm said not precisely what I want to say\n I have very long memory about things no more relevant\n vila: There is a grep plugin on http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrPlugins, which you are the author of. Is is able to grep a revision tree?\n To say the truth, I'm the maintainer only because I upgraded it long ago to the current bzr version at that time,\n vila: http://pastebin.com/d33dd960e\n I think I remember that it worked only for the working tree and the plans were to enhance it to work with revision trees, but the internals weren't good enough to do that trivially, there may be some FIXME there...\n vila: running full test suite takes 3 hours for me\n bialix: no worries,\n I wasn't clear: can you test that with qrun where it was previously failing (as in before your patch)\n * bialix -> now\n if that works, then push that to your branch and add a comment in the mp when done so I can merge from there\n err, I mean merge and submit from there\n pfff, forget that, that's silly, tell me if it works and I'll submit from here :)\n vila: http://imagebin.ca/view/9ptrtg_B.html\n it works\n hehe, I love Add-Art (the FireFox plugin), even if the art is not always that good, it's always a pleasure to realize that I avoided yet another ad :)\n * bialix using NoScript\n Yeah, I really should do that too, but I'm lazy and they say there is no virus on Linux :-D\n I use adblock plus. I'm all ways surprised how many ads there are when I work with out it :-O\n GaryvdM: Add-Art is on top of adblock :)\n vila: Oh - I see\n so vila you don't see my wonderful screenshot? :'-(\n * bialix crying\n I see you screenshot, not the ad at the top of the page ;)\n I don't see AD either\n meh, soory for the confusion, the ad was on the pastebin\n I understood\n gnight all\n bye\n * bialix will go home too\n bye all\n bye\n hi all\n Hi jono\n hey GaryvdM\n when merging I see an M next to files but one has a * - what does that mean?\n jono: IIRC some of its metadata changed (perhaps it become executable or is no longer executable?)\n *became\n yep, looks like it - see \"bzr help status-flags\"\n thats the one\n :)\n it was a perms change :)\n jono: Sorry - My connection went down. The * most likely the execution permission bit changed.\n np :)\n figured it out\n thanks!\n cool\n jelmer: dulwich seems to have a set of methods that look duplicate on the fist look\n om, mom, pulling the most recent to be sure\n jelmer: ah, right, at least the from_file/from_string classmethods are unnecessary at each class\n moin\n Hi lifeless\n hi GaryvdM\n jelmer: and i really dislike the exception hierachy now that i take a look at it, i'll try to make a patch\n ronny: That's for historical reasons\n ronny: patches are welcome, but I'm not very keen on breaking backwards compatibility..\n ronny: btw, there is a #dulwich now\n jelmer: i dont intend to break the backward compatibility\n Guys, on C/C++ projects, do you normally track the entire project directory or just the source files?\n brmassa: \"entire\"?\n AfC: including the \"/bin\", \"/includes\" and other possible directories.\n brmassa: well, if bin/ is _build product_ then no\n brmassa: ie, no need to version control things that your build creates.\n AfC: its useful coz it will track the directories changes (where the project is going to be build), but it also polute the bzr status with tons of files that doesnt need to be versoned\n brmassa: (I suspect you know that, which is why I'm trying to figure out the nuance of what you're asking)\n AfC: yep,.\n brmassa: you could 'bzr add --no-recurse bin; bzr ignore bin'\n brmassa: bzr understands how to ignore things\n brmassa: but you want to do:\n $ bzr help ignore\n AfC: the makefile/projectfile generally include information that is a little beyond the /src dir, like where to build the project. so it would be nice to track the entire project dir, excluding the content of certain dirs.\n brmassa: that said, I'm not sure why you'd need to version the directory bin/ if it is a temporary (or final) output of the build. Surely your Makefile (or whatever) knows how to mkdir bin\n AfC: my question was more like the common practice than a howto. what people normally do.\n brmassa: right. So version control Makefile.\n brmassa: ah. Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but in the GNOME world we don't version control build artifacts.\n AfC: hmmm not even the directory structure needed to build a given app?\n brmassa: there is a *horrible* tendency in the Windows centric side of the Java world to whack .jar files the project depends on into version control\n (partly because they don't have a proper package management system they can query & reply on, and partly because they're just doing the wrong thing out of sheer bloody mindedness :)\n brmassa: sure, you can do that, but why not have your Makefile (or whatever) mkdir your temporary & output structure for you?\n brmassa: if you need a directory structure, and your toolchain doesn't create it automatically, versioning the structure would be a good idea.\n brmassa: what toolchain are you using ?\n [thereby making it just the sort of thing that can be a) `bzr ignore`d and b) `make {dist,}clean`ed\n brmassa: other than that, listen to lifeless :)\n If you have to version e.g. bin, you could still \"bzr ignore bin/*\".\n brmassa: [as indeed this isn't the place to talk about comparative merits of different toolchain strategies; bzr can do what you're asking if that's the way you wish to do it]\n lifeless: im programming using Qt's qmake. well.... it does create directories if i tell so, but i was wondering to just track the myproject/src dir...\n Oh, there's a gem: on #cairo, \"git has erased all history of that merge\"\n brmassa: you should track the things that are both: things other people will need to build the software AND things they can't get elsewhere\n lifeless: hmmm nicely put\n directories that the toolchain can make for you aren't in that set, IMO :)\n lifeless: that _was_ nicely put\n * AfC takes a quote of that, and then wonders how to properly cite an IRC discussion in a footnote :)\n its because i use a specific dir structure on all my projects, like myproject/src, myproject/includes, myproject/bin, myproject/tests, myproject/media, so i was wondering to just version the part of it instead the whole structure...\n but for new developers, who wil download the bzr tree, it might help to just see the BIN dir...\n brmassa: {shrug} they will after they type `make` :)\n AfC: yep. maybe u r right.\n brmassa: in most projects I'm maintainer of, things are structured so that with the exception of a Makefile fragment called .config created by our [custom] top level ./configure,\n brmassa: *all* the build output runs out into directories under a top level tmp/ that the build creates for itself\n AfC: nice. it seems to be the right thing to do. well thank all you guys.\n brmassa: [with one further exception that there's an entire source tree created during the first step of the build, and so the build mkdir's a tree called generated/ for that]\n brmassa: [but in this case generated/ is a peer twin of src/ so it rather made sense]\n [it could have been tmp/generated/ too]\n AfC: thanks\n lifeless: any idea on bug 485318 ?\n Launchpad bug 485318 in launchpad-foundations \"POSTToNonCanonicalURL error using bazaar client\" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/485318\n looks like a bug to me\n lifeless: should I add a bzr task?\n lifeless: or reassign?\n let me have a look\n what is %20 - ' ' ?\n yeah\n hello - I was following loggerhead and noticed there have been no changes since may... my branch is following %7Eloggerhead-team/loggerhead/trunk/ but I had a look on launchpad and I think they moved to trunk-rich\n can I do bzr switch in my tree? or will it mess everything up\n or can I pull from the trunk-rich\n thumper: bzr pull lp:loggerhead\n thrope: ^\n thrope: and if that errors, run 'bzr upgrade' before pulling ;)\n ERROR: KnitPackRepository('file:///home/robince/src/loggerhead/.bzr/repository/')\n is not compatible with\n CHKInventoryRepository('http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eloggerhead-team/loggerhead/trunk-rich/.bzr/repository/'\n maybe my bzr on this machine is too old\n thrope: do you have 2.0?\n no 1.16 on here I think... just upgrading\n If it knows about CHKInfoRepository, it has to be at least 1.18, no?\n hello lifeless, peng\n poolie: Good $timeofday. :)\n its ok now\n Peng: 1.16.1, but see my mail about emacs for why thats not enough\n hi poolie\n 1.16.1, eh?\n poolie: you might like to add #launchpad-dev to your channel list\n oh as opposed to lp-code?\n my config is out of date\n and, not xor\n #launchpad-code?\n Peng: lp-code is on irc.canonical.com\n Peng: its where dev discussion happened before the open sourcing\n Oh.\n Is irc.canonical.com open to the public (i.e. me)?\n no\n unless you get a job with us :)\n :D\n so I finally got loggerhead running through my apache proxy with serve-branches since the start/stop scripts are deprecated\n I can see host.net/nn_review/files fine with css etc\n but basically every link is broken\n that seems surprising\n changes, annotate/head%3A/nnreview.py\n all give Not Found\n if the css/js links are right, i'd expect the other links to be right too\n I am using RewriteEngine instead of ProxyPass\n could that be it?\n I couldn't get ProxyPass to pass the front page properly\n (I dont want a prefix, just bzr.host.net/\n thrope: do the links look wrong, or are urls you would expect to work not working?\n not sure about the colon above\n ah wait\n they are to http instead of https\n oh right\n thrope: you might be able to use proxypassreverse to fix this\n how can I tell loggerhead that?\n but i don't know how that works\n ah ill try proxypass again\n thrope: i don't think you can, i could add a --https flag to serve-branches\n but i don't think i did, just thought about it\n yeah the proxy pass didnt make any difference\n ah\n i misunderstood how that works\n do you know if theres somewhere in the code I can add the 's' in... actually now I think about it I think I did that before with the older version\n but it looks like its got more complicated since then ;)\n i should just give up and generate relative links\n#bzr 2009-11-27\n mwhudson: Doesn't help for redirects.\n Peng: but proxypassreverse does\n Should it really take over 6 minutes to branch the Launchpad repository from one local disk to another?\n 'maybe'\n It's throwing a lot of CPU at it when I think it would be relatively quick to just... copy the folder.\n Now, that's just lazy. But still.\n branch validates data\n we don't know if its e.g. removable or network or trusted or not\n if you just want to copy the folder, I suggest you copy the folder.\n It just seems a lot of CPU time for a repo of ~ 300MB\n do you have the C extensions?\n Should do, it's from the PPA\n mwhudson: links from the landing page with the list of repos all have https, but links from within a served repo dont any more\n thrope: links in directory listings are *really* relative\n foo\n ...But they still invoke HTTP redirects cuz they leave off the trailing/. :D\n Peng: you can fix that if you like\n Hmm.\n Oh. It's totally trivial to fix. Doing so now. :D\n thrope: try bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/loggerhead/relative-links\n mwhudson: great - it works! thanks a lot!\n thrope: awesome\n thrope: you'll need to use proxypassrequest to handle the redirects\n you mean proxypassreverse? or something else (dont know what proxypassrequest is)\n Darn, it's a little bit trickier to add trailing slashes to breadcrumbs, cuz you have to avoid making the root link to //.\n thrope: i mean that yes, sorry\n * mwhudson needs lunch\n there are a few problems poking around\n ah ok\n view branch changes goes to nn_review/changes/14start_revid=14\n * mwhudson can believe it\n gives internal server error\n but https stuff is ok\n thrope: where is that?\n and \"view changes to this file\" button leads to nn_review/changesfilter_file_id=nnreview.py-20091126142852-yobx026pq984w1a0-1 which gives not found\n thrope: ah stupid mistake\n sorry nn_review is my branch, from nn_review/files/13 i click the view branch changes button\n it works with the ? in by hand\n thrope: pull again? you want r397\n i forgot to put the ? in\n ah breadcrumbs (I think thats what their) called at the top are still non https (root)/nn_review at top of changes page\n funny thing mouse over is https but actual link is http\n anyway thanks a lot - I have to head off now\n happy thanksgiving to any us folks (normal day here!)\n Peng: can you review/test https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/loggerhead/relative-links/+merge/15298 ?\n * mwhudson lunches\n mwhudson: I'll test it, at least.\n mwhudson: I have been fortunate enough to avoid learning anything about URL handling. :)\n lifeless: Check finished. 945 inconsistent parents, but nothing worse.\n Only took 26.5 hours. Nice.\n Peng: cool. check with vila - he has history there - but I suspect 'reconcile' is in order.\n bzr's pretty impressive; *I* was never able to reconcile my parents' inconsistencies...\n lifeless: How do you reconcile something on LP, though?\n Peng: pull, reconcile, sftp/hitchiker and nuke the repo; push\n Peng: this is for the candidate converted maria, right?\n or 'spmdo reconcile url'\n spm: ^ :)\n Heh.\n lifeless: Yeah, it's for Maria.\n lifeless: How do you reconcile a stacked branch?\n Peng: same same\n It'll automatically reconcile the stacked-on repos just fine?\n no\n it reconciles the stacking branch and repo only\n Oh.\n Well, that's still OK.\n I don't know which repo the inconsistent parents are in, though. :\\\n you did 'bzr check' locally though,right ?\n Yeah.\n so they are local\n :)\n But I have copies of everything locally.\n check checks only the local repo/branch\n gotta eat\n And, actually, I don't think I've added any revisions to my MySQL repo since I last checked it, and there weren't any inconsistent parents then...\n lifeless: If it only checked the...1400 revisions in the stacked branch, why the heck did it take 26 hours?\n I'm reconciling LP over ssh, just to see how awful it is.\n Peng: not branch, repo\n s/stacked branch/stacked branch's repo/, then.\n ...One reconcile died with a KeyError.\n Peng: check has issues ;P\n When reconcile says it's repacking, does that mean it's done reconciling?\n Or is that part of reconcilnig?\n Now another reconcile has crashed with the same KeyError.\n And there goes the last one.\n Yeah, _that_ makes me confident about the integrity of my repo. :P\n 'spmdo reconcile url' rofl\n Oh hi. :D\n hey Peng, so what's up - am trying to put 2+2 together from the backscroll?\n spm: I'm just reconciling a branch or two (lp:~mnordhoff/maria/5.1-2a and lp:~mnordhoff/maria/5.2-2a), including the copies on LP.\n But reconcile crashes now. :\\\n Ah. It's bug #441125.\n Launchpad bug 441125 in bzr \"bzr: ERROR: exceptions.KeyError: ('makefile.am-20080508221105-rbs9wugi1qq76gcs-2', 'scott@netsplit.com-20090702173125-4nayj8jp8h4f8jnq')\" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/441125\n ew\n where does this \"20 characters message\" come from?\n Maybe I'll stop using stacking, locally and maybe even on LP.\n poolie: ?\n lifeless: It's in one of the recent mailing list messages about emacs.\n hrm. oki, digested that bug report. So I'm guessing this is going to need me to fiddle with backups or some such?\n Peng: if you're pushing up a fresh mainline thats been converted, you won't want it stacked.\n lifeless: I pushed up lp:~mnordhoff/mysql-server/mysql-5.1-2a non-stacked, and then have all of my other branches (including Maria) stacked on it.\n spm: Well, originally the \"spmdo\" was just to run \"reconcile\" on the two branches on LP. Then it turns out reconciling them fails, so it's moot.\n Peng: ahhh. bummer. ok.\n I hate stacking. :(\n * igc lunch\n spiv, around?\n i have some python weirdness for you:\n http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/329072/\n * spiv looks\n i think in 2.5 and up 'exitfunc' is not a real method anymore, and\n probably logging is causing the compatability method aluded to in http://bugs.python.org/issue2356\n to activate\n and if i remove that, it breaks\n poolie: hmm, the stdlib docs do say it might not be set\n oh?\n poolie: file:///usr/share/doc/python2.6/html/library/sys.html#sys.exitfunc\n (And that it's been deprecated since 2.4, but we knew that already I think)\n mm\n ok, this is it\n poolie: so I suppose the correct thing to do is actually \"exitfunc = getattr(sys, 'exitfunc', None); if exitfunc is not None: exitfunc()\"\n or to run atexit._run_exitfuncs()\n or we can just say that there is nothing like that\n but the getattr is probably a safer change\n Yeah, we're stuck with either a deprecated interface (sys.exitfunc), or an undocumented one (atexit._run_exitfuncs).\n yay\n when in doubt, prefer the smaller diff\n the good thing about this is that this patch is avoiding loading at least one file (atexit)\n Although the *implementation* of atexit is actually to install _run_exitfuncs as sys.exitfunc.\n So in practice it's the same thing.\n probably not enough to matter, buta small chance you'd have to wait until the disk head got to it\n But getattr avoids an import ;)\n exactly\n thanks\n poolie: didn't you put the explorer website into the list of automatically refreshed ones?\n i thought i did\n poolie: I pushed a change there an hour ago\n and it's not appearing yet\n * poolie checks\n at the moment it only runs once per day\n it can be more\n but now that it does the sphinx generation it actually takes a fair amount of work to do all of them\n so i turned it down\n poolie: once a day ought to be fine for the core docs. Maybe bzr-migration-docs and bzr-explorer-website could be hourly. They ought to be far more lightweight\n poolie: I maybe I just need a way to do it on demand\n s/I/or\n i'll just make it hourly for now\n it'll kick off soon\n we should probably move it all into a role account that you can get at but i don't really want to do that right now\n can bazaar handle having a branch of one repository nested inside a branch of another repo\n I'm thinking that I'd like my dependencies handled that way\n i.e. one repo per solution. if the main project in solution A depends on the main project in solution B, I create a branch of solution B's repo inside a folder in the branche of solution A's repo\n that way the version of B that A depends on can be updated whenever, and easily\n Rotaerk_: I don't know precisely what you mean by \"solution\", and I suspect what you mean by \"repository\" isn't quite what bzr means, but I think the answer may still be yes.\n Rotaerk_: if you have branch of one project at foo/, and a branch of another project at e.g. foo/libs/bar, then that's fine by bzr.\n hmm okay sounds good, thanks\n \"solution\" and \"project\" are part of the visual studio code organization model\n Rotaerk_: bzr won't keep track of which version of libs/bar you happen to have in foo/, but it won't get confused or anything like that.\n hmm\n Rotaerk_: so you can do \"bzr pull\" or \"bzr commit\" etc inside foo/libs/bar, and the fact that it's inside foo/ will be irrelevant\n And similarly you can pull, commit etc in foo/ without disturbing the branch in libs/bar\n okay time to try it\n Yeah, that's the best way to figure this out I think :)\n just didn't want to screw up my current repo if bazaar would be confused by it\n igc: how now?\n poolie: excellent. thanks!\n poolie: http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/explorer/en/tutorials/open-source-dev-gnome.html\n very nice!\n igc, i wonder if not specifically mentioning emacs would be sound better?\n after all we'd be willing to provide site policy for any hosting site\n it would make it look more like you're using emacs & savannah just as an example\n poolie: I'm not sure I understand what you're saying\n if i created a branch and want to get rid of it, can I just delete the folder it's in, or is there a command I need to use\n the doc is explicitly aimed at the Emacs developers\n but generalised to be useful to others\n i'm saying the document seems to have some tension about whether it's specifically for emacs, or just using emacs as an example\n hmm nm, I guess I can just delete it... since bzr has to scan to find branches, it must not actually track them\n it's just an observation, not a big problem\n poolie: it's meant to be general with Emacs as an example ...\n but good enough to show Emacs developers the \"right\" way to get started\n poolie: should I take out the note re savannah push policy perhaps?\n given what you just said i'd probably write it as something like this\n \"explorer knows about the right way to publish to different hosting sites, but at the moment not how to publish to Savannah where emacs branches are hosted. (Patches or information on how it should work gratefully accepted.) Therefore we have to manually tell it where to push this branch....\"\n poolie: ok\n hmm darn\n given branch of repo A at aaa, and branch of repo B at bbb, if I create a branch of bbb at aaa/bbb, I can't do \"bzr add bbb\" from aaa\n it remains unknown\n was hoping that revisions of A could contain snapshots of branches of B\n Rotaerk_: no, unfortunately. We'd like to support something like that, but it hasn't gotten past the experimental stage yet.\n hmm I wonder if git or mercurial can do that\n Rotaerk_: that's what I was trying to say when I said \"bzr won't keep track of which version of libs/bar you happen to have in foo/\"\n ah I see\n is there any other way to go about what I'm wanting to do?\n i.e. have particular revisions of A dependent on particular revisions of B\n i think SVN can handle this using \"externals\"\n though I've only heard about it\n Rotaerk_: there are some plugins and add ons that might help\n ah this is actually listed as a limitation on the bazaar site\n Rotaerk_: http://bazaar-vcs.org/ScmProj is one, there was also a mailing list thread touching on this recently\n Rotaerk_: it starts at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/bazaar/2009q4/064637.html\n hmm thanks\n poolie: how does one get permission to upload to our +downloads page. Is it joining ~bzr?\n i think so\n showing the current transfer rate is geeky provicialism (according to sjt)?\n poolie: can we add the guys making mac packages into there then?\n of course\n um\n if you just add them to that team they'll get a lot of mail\n it may be better to work out what lp role controls access, and then make that a different group\n it may not be possibly\n possible*\n it's probably better also to add them to bzr-core\n poolie: the PPA packaging guys are in bzr, not bzr-core. hmm\n downloads sounds similar to PPAs conceptually wrt permissions?\n so\n the ppa is an example of one thing that sends a fair amount of mail to its owners\n i trust the guys doing packaging of course\n i don't mind adding them to any group\n perhaps the easiest thing is to just add them to ~bzr and then if that's not working, try something else\n meh, I only wanted to nest revisions of B within a revision of A so that I could setup a reference from project A to project B, but instead I'll just build B and copy B.dll into A\n hi all\n Hi. :)\n hey vila!\n \u00e2\u0080\u0098bzr branch lp:foo\u00e2\u0080\u0099 is agonizingly slow. what protocol is being used when I specify the scheme \u00e2\u0080\u0098lp:\u00e2\u0080\u0099?\n bignose: If you've run \"bzr launchpad-login\", bzr+ssh. Otherwise, http.\n I don't have a Launchpad account. can I easily make \u00e2\u0080\u0098lp:foo\u00e2\u0080\u0099 use \u00e2\u0080\u0098bzr+http\u00e2\u0080\u0099?\n LP doesn't support bzr+http.\n argl\n why on earth not?\n Probably cuz all of the LP developers use bzr+ssh, so it's not important to them. :P\n bignose: time\n Peng: no\n Peng: we want to. Needs TUITS\n it's not simply a matter of upgrading the Bazaar instance on Launchpad?\n lifeless: TUITS?\n bignose: It's a matter of...setting it up.\n Peng: specifically, round tuits.\n http://www.myrtlewoodgallery.com/get_a_round_tuit.htm\n Peng: ^\n as in, \u00e2\u0080\u009cWe haven't got a round tuit\u00e2\u0080\u009d.\n bignose: its a deployment/testing issue\n Ohhhhhhh.\n hmm, perhaps there is something in Stephen J Turnbull's somplaints about the degree of difficulty in setting up a Bazaar server.\n Peng: a better one - http://www.stosyth.gov.uk/default.asp?calltype=sep03roundtuti\n bignose: its about 5 lines of apache config\n bignose: but we have loggerhead, which is fragile at scale, and we really don't want to destabilise that\n and they have to coexist on the same space.\n okay. well, I can only agree with Stephen that it's a black eye for Bazaar when one's first likely interaction \u00e2\u0080\u0094 branching an existing project\u00e2\u0080\u0094 is dreadfully slow by default.\n * igc dinner\n bignose: setting up is in fact documented - 'running an http smart server'\n I can't agree. Setting up a bzr:// server was easy.s\n right, but that doesn't affect that Launchpad doesn't have it enabled, which immediately raises the question of why it's difficult for the experts to do. (and most people asking that question are likely to come to the \u00e2\u0080\u009cbecause it's too difficult\u00e2\u0080\u009d conclusion)\n bzr+http is a little more fiddly, but not much.\n um. what protocol does \u00e2\u0080\u0098bzr://\u00e2\u0080\u0099 run over? is it different from \u00e2\u0080\u0098bzr+http://\u00e2\u0080\u0099, \u00e2\u0080\u0098bzr+ssh://\u00e2\u0080\u0099?\n it seems to me the read-only one is the important one for PR.\n bignose: it runs over the bzr protocol\n omg the doc search is slow\n bignose: bzr:// servers listen directly on TCP port 4155; they aren't tunnelled over SSH or HTTP or anything.\n oh okay. well, that raises the question: if *that*'s the easy one to set up, why doesn't read-only \u00e2\u0080\u0098lp:foo\u00e2\u0080\u0099 use that protocol by default instead of slow \u00e2\u0080\u0098http://\u00e2\u0080\u0099?\n bignose: because lp isn't a typical deployment.\n theres a db with virtual filesystem and 'stuff'\n as well as private branches to consider\n lifeless: (which is a shame, because otherwise it would promote bzr:// quite well)\n but it's the most public one. \u00e2\u0080\u009clet's see how Bazaar performs over the network\u00e2\u0080\u009d is highly likely to lead to branching a project from Launchpad without an account there.\n http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.2.0/en/user-guide/http_smart_server.html documents how to run a bzr+http setup\n running bzr:// from inetd is ridiculously simple for straight forward environments (and savannah is AFAIK - its no where near as complicated a setup as LP's production environment)\n and hence branching from \u00e2\u0080\u0098lp:foo\u00e2\u0080\u0099, which leads to HTTP without specifically asking for it, which leads one to think that Launchpad and/or Bazaar are very slow over the network.\n * fullermd still vaguely wishes he could setup bzr+http on a non-trivial setup...\n bignose: as I said, we want to do it. the team that is responsible also has a bunch of other things to do.\n so I think this ties directly into Stephen's observations about PR and what Bazaar (and Launchpad, and Canonical, etc.) can do to improve image: get the most obvious Bazaar site working very fast by default.\n is it hard? not any harder than the other bugs they are working on. But they haven't gotten to it.\n naturally. so perhaps, since Ian has published a guide, in response to Emacs developers needing to learn more about Bazaar, and specifically using Launchpad as a demonstration ... now is a good time to raise the priority of setting up a fast protocol by default for \u00e2\u0080\u0098lp:foo\u00e2\u0080\u0099 branch URLs.\n to forestall a whole lot of Emacs developers, who might have otherwise been on the fence, having an abysmal first experience with Launchpad.\n I think that you should make this observation on the list.\n okay, shall do.\n THe folk that need to see it are out drinking beer at the moment. ;)\n lifeless: done, thanks.\n hello\n * fullermd waves at bialix.\n * bialix waves back\n hi fullermd :-)\n hello\n Hi.\n hi, not a bzr question, but i guessed i'll drop it anyway... Anyone using Krusader for filetransfers?\n i have a question: it is possible to include the current Rev.number into my source files?\n i.e. in sourcefile \"###bzr-rev###\" and bzr replace this with the current Rev. number?\n i know in CVS/SVN it its possible\n i think this replacement should be done by commit command\n because only the currently commited files should be became the new rev.number\n any idea?\n Torty: Generally you make your build system do \"bzr revision-info >version.txt\" or somesuch.\n Torty: But there is the bzr-keyword plugin if you want it.\n Or is it \"bzr-keywords\"? I don't remember.\n i think i dont know what you mean (advice: write simple english *g*)\n Torty: The usual practice is to make your build system do it, using a command such as \"bzr revision-info\".\n Torty: But there is a plugin that does what you want. See http://bazaar-vcs.org/KeywordExpansion\n ok i read\n ok it seems to be what i searching :-D thx\n Torty: That page looks a little out-of-date. It might be better to start at https://launchpad.net/bzr-keywords\n k\n The plugin functions more like PoC than usable code, for various reasons. Some of the changes needed to really use it are only in 2.1, and I'm pretty sure some aren't anywhere yet.\n Ah.\n * vila cries, testtools doesn't support python2.4 (it requires functools) :-( <- lifeless\n vila: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~lifeless/testtools/2.4\n has bzr's auto-resolve behaviour changed recently?\n jml: I don't think so\n vila, lifeless: actually: lp:testtools\n vila: but you probably want that branch + my 0.9.1 branch.\n ungh\n Using '=' to underline things confuses the auto-resolver.\n jml: oh yeah, sorry.\n use ---- perhaos\n problem for another day, I think.\n or ++++ actually, that shouldn't be used there and should be unique\n * vila sends love to lifeless, jml and checks\n vila: By the by, 8.0 final release was finally cut.\n fullermd: Great, thanks for telling me, I'll upgrade asap\n jml, lifeless: lp:testtools still has the problem, trying 2.4 + 0.9.1 branches now\n vila, oops. pushed to wrong location\n * vila jumps on the brake pedal\n vila, lp:testtools should have 2.4 now\n * vila laughs at the commit message and wishes all commit messages were like that :)\n * vila confirms --parallel=fork works again with 2.4 \\o/\n 11 mins between tears and joy, who said bzr was slow ?\n yes, I know, that's a totally unfair reasoning :-D\n Man, that's pathetic. CVS can go from joy to tears in SECONDS.\n jml: push 0.9. to trunk ? :)\n no, not now\n no?\n lifeless, I was writing the release announcement and uploading the tarball. Now I can do the branch bit :)\n jml: I would just push 0.9 to trunk again, is aall I meant\n lifeless, rather than merge?\n yes\n we haven't landed anything on trunk that we haven't also landed in 0.9\n if we had it would be different. Just a thought.\n I don't intrinsically care.\n done.\n that's a release, I think.\n crap. PyPI\n :)\n and setup.py\n dammit, I can't believe I need a release checklist for such a small project.\n you always need a checklist.\n write a tool.\n Sometimes I hate the day I internalized 'write a tool'...\n -> fud\n vila?\n lifeless: what;s tool?\n bialix: ?\n vila: hello\n what I should write in authentication.conf if I want to specify details for bzr+ssh\n bialix: hello :)\n scheme = bzr+shh\n ?\n or just ssh?\n no, scheme = ssh, that's valid for both bzr+ssh and sftp since that's really the same scheme\n oops\n nice\n vila: thanks very much\n * vila thinks the problem has been raised already and a warning is emitted ?\n Peng: i've installed new bzr and the plugin but i have problems to understand what i have now to do\n Or am I just dreaming that I wrote the fix ?\n i mean the keywords-plugin\n on Launchpad the documentation is missing\n vila: works perfectly!\n cool\n Torty: Did you see above what fullermd said about the bzr-keywords plugin?\n on launchpad?\n lifeless, I'll write a tool after I have a checklist, probably.\n lifeless, anyway, release done.\n ah - fullermd here on irc - no - i have to reboot my system\n no chat-log active\n can you paste me what he said\n Torty: 09:36:46 < fullermd> The plugin functions more like PoC than usable code, for various reasons. Some of the changes needed to really use it are only in 2.1, and I'm pretty sure some aren't anywhere yet.\n thx - mom i try to translate ...\n Torty: Short version: it's still experimental and doesn't work completely.\n this means the plugin ist useable up from 2.1 version of bzr?\n aha - but in future this replace-feature (bzr-keywords) will be working\n With versions before pretty recent dev head, the keywords won't update all the time when you perform bzr operations.\n aha\n And with any version I know of actually existing, filtering in general can only be configured globally, so you can't turn them on in a single branch.\n but the feature will be finialize in newer versions\n good to know\n what means also: if i want rev.# in my sources i have to do it by hand\n or (bedder) dont include it in source files\n ok thx - i wish you a nice weekend\n bb\n fullermd: And people still don't believe that computers have feelings.... The freeBSD8 VM just crashed...And it runs from a different host than the one I use to do IRC....\n vila: 's what you get for running emacs on it :p\n fullermd: pfff, not even, it was running unattended :)\n fullermd: more seriously, since it crashed, I may as well upgrade now, http://wiki.freebsd.org/8.0TODO is out of date ?\n Dunno. The last edit date is, what, a week and a half back, or something?\n Not sure how actively it was maintained during the RC cycle.\n fullermd: it's ok, just found http://www.freebsd.org/releases/8.0R/announce.html\n * fullermd glances at how recently the version control page was updated as long as he's bouncing around the wiki...\n hey ! vbox guest support !\n of course, just when I wanted to start migrating to kvm...\n * fullermd . o O ( Last real update: 2008-01-19 )\n Well. That's almost certainly not much changed since the last few RC's :p\n .. may be, but it may also mean I need some tweaks I'm not aware of...\n I guess the topic fizzled out of major notice after src moved CVS -> SVN. Owell.\n Hello! Anyone an idea how stacked branches differ from others (regular ones)?\n drmabuse_: Stacked branches don't store all of the revisions locally.\n drmabuse_: They should function exactly the same as a normal branch, more or less.\n drmabuse_: A stacked branch does not have all the revsions in it's repository. It has a url to the branch that it is stacked on, and if bzr needs any revisions that are not in it's repository, it gets them from the stacked on branch.\n GaryvdM++\n You put it very well. :)\n Ah, thank you!\n Peng: thanks\n Great!\n * fullermd blinks.\n The heck... how did I get a modified file in my bzr.dev tree...\n OK, what the hell? log $FILE is showing 1 rev touching the file, log -n0 $FILE is showing 2, and there's no overlap between them.\n And none are actually direct edits, they're all merges.\n ... OK, that's even weirder. I revert it, and it STILL shows modified.\n Kill dirstate?\n (well, mv)\n what file is that ?\n Oh, I found it.\n Just snows to go you the sad state of content filtering.\n I still had a ~/.bazaar/rules file turning on keywords on *.txt, and doc/ja/user-reference/index.txt had something that ate.\n \\o/\n Of course, on the plus side, that does show that revert Does The [Hypothetically] Right Thing with filters now :p\n Insofar as deleting 372 lines of the file is Right, anyway...\n Mmph. And it compresses things that aren't valid keywords either.\n Still freaky what log is doing there, though.\n fullermd: What file is it?\n Oh nvm - doc/ja/user-reference/index.txt\n fullermd: bzr log doc/ja/user-reference/index.txt , and bzr log doc/ja/user-reference/index.txt -n0 work as expected for me. ?\n Well, now that I've updated bzr.dev, both show only 1 rev. Just different 1 revs.\n And still both just merges.\n fullermd: bzr log doc/ja/user-reference/index.txt -n0 shows me 4 revisions - http://pastebin.com/d100bf598\n fullermd: bzr qlog doc/ja/user-reference/index.txt also the same\n Hm.\n How odd. I get that too, without -v. But with -v, kaplooie.\n That's pretty marfed up. Why the hell should -v affect ANYTHING like that?\n fullermd: yhea - thats def a bug IMHO\n Hi vila\n vila: Is there a way do detect if some code is being run from a test?\n meh, where should I put the comma ?\n I don't know?\n GaryvdM: :-) Is it: 'some code is, being run from a test' or 'some code is being run, from a test'\n vila: I got a test where a exception is being caught by qbzr error reported, which shows a nice gui error report, and the error does not get to the test.\n vila: so I want to disable qbzr's error handler if it is being run from a test.\n haaa, you want the code to realize it's run by the test ?\n yes\n Don't ever do that or the code police will come to arrest you\n lol\n Instead, the test should alter the environment\n Nah, as long as they check with log -v, they'll never find it being introduced :p\n The former is known as 'test code in production code' and very frowned upon :)\n vila: ok\n the reason being that it's cheating really :)\n log -v can find more revisions touching a file :-/ I don;t remember the details but I think it has to do mainly with file deletions\n No, it finds less. Much less.\n Or rather, it finds more, but gives up really quick.\n * vila bangs head to wall\n err\n that's pretty unclear my dear friend :)\n fullermd: vlia is right, normal log file won't find a revisions that deletes a file\n -v will\n vila: compaire bzr log doc/ja/user-reference/index.txt -n0 to bzr log doc/ja/user-reference/index.txt -n0 -v\n fullermd: but log and log -v are on amanica plate again IIUC\n so filing bugs now may be a good idea\n GaryvdM: aaargh, vade retro satanas, I want to go have lunch, don't make me vomit :-(\n sorry\n that's pretty ugly :(\n err, can I really use pretty and ugly like that ?\n bbl, will have lunch anyway\n vila/fullermd: I've loged bug 489179\n Launchpad bug 489179 in bzr \"log file -v misses some revisions\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/489179\n vila: when you are back from lunch, would this be an acpetable way to \"alter the environment\" : http://pastebin.com/d75e9a627 ?\n GaryvdM: with the tweaks http://pastebin.com/m285da0a9 , yes\n vila: would like your feedback on assertThat (in testtools 0.9.1)\n vila: thanks\n and regarding that bug, log -v shows *only* the revisions touching the file, while log, once it found a revision, also displays the ones that merge it (I forgot that case earlier),\n so the bug is presumably about the \"right\" revision being lost while the merging ones are shown, because 4792.5.5 really add the file and I presume nobody ever touch it since\n lifeless: is that about the matchers I saw mentioned in the commit messages ?\n yes\n see NEWS and the MANUAL\n is it possible to share subversion.conf between machines - to the checksums int here come from the svn repository or are they randomly generated (ie does it make any sense) - I guess I was hoping if I accessed the same repo on another machine the checksum would be the same\n lifeless: after reading NEWS and MANUAL, I'm still hungry :-) Now reading matchers.py\n that was quick :)\n I recognize that DocTestMatches as very closely resembling my needs in shell-like tests :)\n if you want to see it in use, look at test_testresult.py\n yeah, I see that... making doctest.ELLIPSIS the default sounds sensible... (I did that in the shell-like tests)\n vila: I haven't read the shell like stuff yet\n vila: did you use the doctest module?\n great minds etc\n yes I did use it\n so, the problem I have with assertThat is that the actual value comes first\n read it as an english sentence\n yeah, I know, that's the good part\n assert that foo doctestmatches thing\n its a bit cutey\n but otoh fairly memorable\n but then when I look at the tests, I stop \"reading\" and go into some matching mode\n I think you would adapt quite quickly - bzr already has inconsistency here\n the needle, haystack thin\n g\n hehe, you used the right words, I can adapt but inconsistencies make adaptation hard in the end\n I think its better to make this really nice\n anyway, as long as switching the args is invalid, it can hardly become a problem right ?\n so we can effectively argue for\n assertThat(thing, equals(other))\n yeah, it will blow up, unless thing is a matcher too :)\n hehe, when you start writing tests about matchers, I suspect the parameter order is already wired ;)\n assertThat(thing, equals(other)).... really nice\n doing not may require some care\n assertThat(thing, is(not(other))) would be nice to be able to write.\n but 'is(not(' really would be 'not(is(' in this language. which isn't english (though it is other languages))\n on the feedback front, reading MANUAL was... refreshing, there nothing I want to delete there\n Isn't there an english construct for assertThatNot ?\n failIf >\n failIf ?\n in english, 'the horse *is* *not* red'\n in this language, 'the horse *not* *is* red'\n vila: think bigger, more complex composed matchers\n gnight\n play. Use. Enjoy.\n :)\n was addDetails in the MANUAL?\n I forget if I added it there\n no\n if so - bzr log files. failed test work areas from disk. Possibilities abound.\n ok, I should add that. Please file a medium priority bug on testtools if you would\n its referenced from NEWS, I'm sure.\n ciao\n hi - I keep getting \"Unexpected error while decorating: xxx.yyy\" when using Bazaar Plugin for Eclipse... any clue?\n jldupont, verterok is the developer for that plugin, maybe he will know\n verterok: I keep getting \"Unexpected error while decorating: xxx.yyy\" when using Bazaar Plugin for Eclipse... any clue?\n jldupont: could you check the stacktrace in /.metadata/.log ?\n jldupont: also, what options do you have enabled in the decorator settings?\n verterok: http://jldupont.pastebin.com/d5663d1bf\n verterok: I don't believe I have ever touched this... the only option checked at the moment is \"Enable Status Overlay Decorator\"\n jldupont: ok, what version of bzr-xmloutput do you have installed?\n jldupont: bzr plugins should show that\n verterok: how do I check that? Windows->preferences->Bazaar??\n jldupont: in a terminal: bzr plugins\n ok\n 0.8.3\n jldupont: hmm, it's quite old, are you in windows or *nix?\n ubuntu\n is there a PPA for auto-update of that stuff?\n jldupont: is the bzr-xmloutput from the repository?\n hmmm... don't remember where I got that...\n jldupont: \"bzr plugins -v\" should show the path\n what's the best way to install & keep up-to-date on this plugin?\n /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/bzrlib/plugins/xmloutput\n jldupont: ok, it's the package\n xmloutput 0.8.3\n This plugin provides xml output for status, log, annotate, missing, info,\n /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/bzrlib/plugins/xmloutput\n jldupont: try this: 1) uninstall bzr-xmloutput 2) mkdir -p ~/.bazaar/plugins; bzr branch lp:bzr-xmloutput ~/.bazaar/plugins/xmloutput\n Semi-related, I have heard there are two Eclipse plugins for Bazaar, which one should I use?\n maxb: qbzr-eclipse use qbzr for the dialogs, bzr-eclipse is a native plugin (pure java+SWT, except the interface with bzr)\n \" bzr: ERROR: Target directory \"/home/jldupont/.bazaar/plugins/xmloutput\" already exists. \"\n jldupont: so you already have it: cd ~/.bazaar/plugins/xmloutput && bzr pull\n it blew in my face: http://jldupont.pastebin.com/d2f611ae9\n jldupont: oh, you have bzr 1.13.1 and bzr-xmloutput is using a newer repository format :(\n where is the PPA for Bazaar again?\n is this it: https://launchpad.net/bazaar\n jldupont: https://edge.launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive/ppa\n verterok: ok, thanks!\n hmmm... I've added the PPA to my sources but Synaptic doesn't show an upgrade to bzr...\n what's wrong?\n it concludes that 1.13.1 is latest.\n maybe it is taking the \"ubuntu\" default?\n jldupont: most probably you missed some step while adding the PPA ? You did add the key for it ?\n Yes I did add the key.\n sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 8c6ce1efd\n hmm, you refreshed the package list ?\n \"reload\" in Synaptic.\n yes\n ghaa\n let me start my hardy vm\n I went for apt-get update\n and back to Synaptic: 1.13.1\n 1.13.1-1 (hardy) or 1.13.1-1ubuntu0.1 (hardy-updates) ?\n boom\n vila: I must be Synaptic having the problem: I do sudo apt-get install bzr and I got upgraded....\n jldupont: vila: I must be Synaptic having the problem: I do sudo apt-get install bzr and I got upgraded....\n ... and now it shows up in Synaptic !\\\\\n not the first time I've had problems with Synaptic !\n note to self: go with apt-get if problem with Synpatic *before* bugging people.\n THANKS GUYS!\n ... and now Bazaar Eclipse plugin complains that bzr-xmloutput isn't found!!!\n weird\n jldupont: you're welcome\n what is the approved process for installing bzr-xmloutput ??\n it shows in Synaptic!\n ... and now \"mark for reinstallation\" in Synaptic takes care of the problem...\n let's just say I do not love Synaptic that much ...\n I still get a ton of \"decorator\" errors: http://jldupont.pastebin.com/m4b23cbe2\n * vila leaves it to verterok :)\n heh\n jldupont: did you restarted bzr-eclipse?\n ... just did ( you can of course flame me good ! ) ... but now a new problem: http://jldupont.pastebin.com/d2d1e7b81\n jldupont: could paste the whole traceback? or is just that?\n it was only that when I posted it... now, I tried doing a commit: http://jldupont.pastebin.com/d4d5fb3c9\n jldupont: looks like bzr-gtk is killing bzr\n what's the solution?\n jldupont: removing bzr-gtk...maybe?\n get rid of it? I just need eclipse pluing and cli\n vila: do you know what's the status of bzr-gtk?\n jldupont: yes, I think that removing/uninstalling bzr-gtk is enough\n jldupont: or updating it\n verterok: what status ?\n got right of it... still blows up in my face!\n oh, hum, bzr-rebase seems to be a problem\n http://jldupont.pastebin.com/d3af2792e\n bzr-gtk should be upgraded from the PPA I think\n bzr-rebase: got rid of it too.\n http://i49.tinypic.com/x2lxmp.png\n jldupont: you still have an old xmloutput installed\n maybe my repo of the old version is causing the trouble?\n xmloutput: 0.8.3\n \\what PPA did you add exactly ?\n edgewall one\n https://edge.launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive/ppa\n jaunty\n /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/bzrlib/plugins/xmloutput\n jaunty ??? 1.13.1 is the latest proposed in jaunty by default ???\n Again I'm asking for someone to review changes to trac-bzr. This time https://code.launchpad.net/~gagern/trac-bzr/bug194277/+merge/15323 in particular, as it removes quite a large portion of (supposedly unused) code. I'd love a second opinion here!\n MvG: I know nothing about trac-bzr, but given the work your putting into it, you clearly seem to be the de-facto maintainer...\n vila: yes it seems.\n And become so in little more than a week, or so it seems.\n I feel like every time I fix a bug, I find a new one.\n as such, you'd better just take over the trunk and wait for people to complain or, more likely, thank you :)\n I'll have done unreviewed commits in the past, and will likely do more in the future, especially if I get no reviews here.\n On the other hand, I've gotten some very useful input from reviews, so I'd at least give people a chance to look things over.\n ha ok, I thought you didn't get any\n jldupont: ok, I misunderstood, I thought you were on hardy :-/\n vila: no probs.\n vila: I installed the latest xmloutput (from what verterok wrote earlier): still blows up in my face.\n jldupont: did you removed the system wide installed xmloutput?\n verterok: yes.... got Synaptic to do it.\n is this ok?\n yes\n I have zapped my .bzr from my project...\n rebuilding everything now...\n jldupont: and did you updated the xmloutput in .bazaar/plugins ?\n jldupont, verterok: that shouldn't matter if the .bazaar/plugins one is loaded, which 'bzr plugins -v' should confirm\n xmloutput 0.8.6.dev\n This plugin adds an option (--xml) to log and provides an xml version of some\n /home/jldupont/.bazaar/plugins/xmloutput\n jldupont: ok, good\n jldupont: are you getting the same error?\n Exception in Decorator. The 'Bazaar' decorator will be disabled.\n http://jldupont.pastebin.com/d2908bb17\n MvG: you may want to set some limit for waiting of review: say 1 day. I fnobody answers, then simply go on and commit your improvements\n verterok: any clue?\n MvG: thank you for working on trac-bzr btw\n jldupont: you removed the .bzr dir?\n bialix: I'm committing when I tire of waiting for reviews...\n MvG: I'm still have to find a time to test your changes, busy at work too much\n verterok: Yes I did.\n The more central a change, the more I want it in trunk before working on, and the more impatient I am with reviews.\n jldupont: please add it again, or remove the project from bzr-eclipse control in eclipse\n MvG: when I know that review in qbzr or bzr-explorer may wait weeks, I clearly say that I will wait no more than week and if nobody subject will land it\n jldupont: it will fail as eclipse have it mapped to bzr but there is no .bzr\n verterok: oh, wait a sec\n MvG: there is too little people who can and most important want to review your changes\n MvG: that said you can develop as you wish\n MvG: i.e. don't wait for review at all\n Already doing so for minor changes.\n g'day. i've got bzr log bzr:// working just fine. but a bzr log bzr+ssh:// complains that it's Not a Branch. No error about ssh auth or connecting. Just Not a Branch.\n verterok: ()@!_)( Eclipse is all confused now!\n MorbusIff: what if you try sftp:// instead?\n MorbusIff: what path are you specifying ? '~' support has changed recently between sftp and bzr+ssh\n bialix: same erorr.\n vila: i'm specifying the path to a branch in both cases. example.com/branchname.\n Error while executing push\n RemoteRepository(bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jldupont/tinycouch/trunk/.bzr/)\n is not compatible with\n CHKInventoryRepository('file:///home/jldupont/workspace/tinycouch_trunk/.bzr/repository/')\n different rich-root support\n so there is really not a branch\n a full path then ?\n what do I do now??\n delete from LP ?\n bialix: but when i run bzr://, it works fine, with the same path.\n bzr://example.com/whee works, bzr+ssh://example.com/whee does not (complaining that it's not a branch)\n MorbusIff: look into .bzr.log, you'll find there some debug info, maybe it helps to identify problem\n vila: using a full path causes both bzr:// and bzr+ssh:// to report Not a Branch.\n bialix: getting a traceback.\n doesn't personally tell me much though. i don't code python/bzr.\n edit private urls and pastebin\n then we can look and suggest something\n http://pastebin.com/m1aca9352\n right now you can test via any ssh client if you can read sftp://example.com/whee/.bzr/format\n perhaps you've got permission denied problem\n are you sure your local login name and your login name on the server is the same?\n they are not, but i'm forcing the remote name in .bazaar/authentication.conf.\n maybe you need to explicitly specify them in URL?\n just for testing\n tried that before here, and same error.\n MorbusIff: can you test via your ssh client if you can read sftp://example.com/whee/.bzr/format\n ?\n yeah, i'm getting there.\n what it means?\n i'm still in the process of testing that. tlaking to someone else at the moment.\n yeah, that was it, actually.\n the full path iw as giving was wrong.\n so the test failed.\n verterok: vila: just to close the loop: I deleted the branch on LP, delete my .bzr on my side, closed eclipse, re-init everything by hand through CLI, restarted eclipse... and now it works!\n when i gave the right full path, bzr log works now under bzr+ssh\n thanks for your precious time guys!\n jldupont: cool :)\n um, is anyone willing to lend their Bazaar expertise and help me out with this?\n s/this/something/\n it depends\n what on?\n on your question, of course\n just ask first\n designing and organizing the repository/branches\n so what is your question\n just a sec\n Hi bialix and vila\n Hi Gary!\n my project consists of a core executable and several modules\n the modules depend on files in the core for the interfaces, etc.\n what's the recommended way to set this up?\n bialix, vila: I'm very eger to here what you guys think about lp:~garyvdm/qbzr/just_show_tests\n GaryvdM: I'm about to look at your branch right *now*\n :-)\n gosh, I don't run bzr log for ages, forgot leading q...\n GaryvdM: ok, I've ran it\n looks terrible as you expected :-)\n but I can live with that\n but maybe if we can made those tests optional or control them somehow -- it will be nice\n vila: ping\n bialix: The other option is to just init and run initial_load, but not show the widow.\n bialix: pong ?\n bialix: this would mean that the paint methods don't get tested.\n vila: have a couple of minutes for qbzr>?\n bialix: I'm upgrading it to 2a and looking at gary's branch\n GaryvdM: no, if we can I'd better test all we can\n ok\n GaryvdM: this flashing windows is a bit annoying, but I understand the price.\n if i run bzr serve --directory=/reall/long/path is there a way to replace bzr co bzr+ssh://example.com/real/long/path/branch with simply bzr co bzr+ssh://example.com/branch\n GaryvdM: meh, that's 46 revisions on top of trunk ???\n vila: in the past there were interactive tests for bzr itself\n vila: no - just 2\n vila: is it possible to make part of test suite switchable?\n Imperion: Whatever makes sense for the language you are using. If the core executables and modules all make a single logical project unit, then they can all go into a single bzr branch\n chx: yes\n bialix: And how...?\n bialix: interactive tests make no sense for automation in my mind, what are you talking about ?\n dOxxx: okay\n bialix: I read the help for both co and serve and saw no way :/\n bialix: some conf file?\n chx: you mix bzr serve and bzr+ssh\n oh i do not even need bzr serve when urnning bzr+ssh?\n that ... makes sense, i suppose?\n chx: no\n bzr+ssh launch bzr serve via ssh automatically\n GaryvdM: if I run 'bzr qlog trunk just_show_tests' it shows 46 additional revisions, what's up ?\n bialix: aaaaaaah\n vila: do you have old trunk? new trunk is trunk2a\n bialix: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh\n I updated old trunk :-(\n I *upgraded* old trunk\n that's fine, run pull --remember lp:qbzr now :-)\n right\n only 2 revisions now\n Imperion: every branch is separate entity\n aaargh again, I ran 'pull --overwrite' and forgot --remember, you guys drive me nuts ;)\n * bialix said --remember, not overwrite\n vila: we don't want, honestly\n * vila did it before bialix gave the right invocation :)\n rats, I've late\n bialix: ok then is there a config value like the user=joe in authentication.conf to supply a sort of base bath?\n GaryvdM: so, a couple of remarks\n * GaryvdM listens\n bialix: meaning\n ?\n instead of doing try/finally, use addCleanup, that avoids errors and indentations\n chx: mmm, no. But I think you can try to use settings in authorized_keys on the server\n Imperion: do you want all your modules to live in separate branches?\n bialix: like....?\n GaryvdM: i.e. self.addCleanup(win.close) just after the win is created\n bialix: or set the home directory of the bzr user.\n chx: look in contrib/bzr_access to get some ideas\n i will\n vila: we have code that runs when the windows close (like saveing the window sizes.) What would happen if there was and error in that code?\n GaryvdM: don't override trace.report_exception unconditionally, you will regret it one day or another, do that in a setUp() and again use addCleanup to restore the original\n Imperion: you can put your entire project into one big branch, or use separate branches for every module\n bialix: all of the parts depend on the core\n GaryvdM: don't worry, errors are allowed during cleanup methods, but they generally indicate deeper problems\n Imperion: yes, but do your modules have thevalue by itself? to reuse them in other similar project?\n no\n they're useless without the core\n Imperion: then put all modules into one big branch with core\n Imperion: just think why you call them modules and separate from core?\n vila: Re overriding report_exception: What would be a good way to make that common among lots of test? (can you think of an example in bzrlib?)\n Imperion: in bzr world branch is main thing, it's often synonym to repo in other systems\n vila: The big question is, is it ok to show and hide the gui from the test suit like that?\n GaryvdM: define a base class or a mixing that all test classes that requires the feature will use\n ok\n bialix: they're modules because they're interchangeable with other modules with the same interface\n GaryvdM: I wonder if we actually can use QtTest\n bialix: e.g. multiple video driver modules\n GaryvdM: yes it is, bzr-gtk does that\n or did\n Imperion: so they have value by itself? with other core?\n sorry?\n hmm, let me try a trick or two\n Imperion: there are several reasons to not put modules into the same branch as core\n Imperion: because once you put them there you'll have problems to split this branch later\n hehe, it works :)\n bialix: modules depend on the core to compile\n Imperion: but there is one big reasons to do so: much simpler to clone entire project\n bialix: Yes - QTest will help when we want to test things like clicking on a button.\n GaryvdM: http://paste.ubuntu.com/329520/\n GaryvdM: In my undertsanding QtTest can help to avoid actually show the GUI?\n Imperion: what you need called nested trees\n bialix: look at my pastebin, no more windows showing up :-D\n bialix: explain?\n Imperion: but they are not implemented yet\n >_>\n vila: I'm not sure if that will cause paint events to run - I run with --coverage to check\n Imperion: you can organise several separate branches into complex project\n GaryvdM: could be, let me know\n and work with such construct as with one big branch\n vila: hehe, nice\n bialix: As far as I can see from the docs, no\n Imperion: there is 3rd party tools to manage this problem though\n Imperion: config-manager utility; scmproj, externals plugins\n mhmm\n Imperion: I'm the author of scmproj\n scmproj is somewhat emulation of nested trees\n Imperion: do you familiar with svn?\n or CVS?\n no\n Imperion: no other VCS experience?\n nope\n ok\n my project is hosted on Launchpad\n will this be possible? :S\n is and will in last 2 sentences are conflict\n yes, it's possible\n Imperion: why do you want to separate the modules if they require trunk ? (I.e. they make no sense without trunk)\n what is your project? it's open source as I understand\n vila: I don't want anything, I'm asking for advice\n bialix: 2D isometric RTS engine, https://launchpad.net/catom\n the code currently available is old\n I've refactored everything\n vila: Imerion said the modules can be changed by similar with the same interface, sounds like pluggable architecture for me\n bialix: it is\n and I'm wondering about improving the organization of it\n vila, Imperion: therefore I'd suggest to not put plugins into the same branch as core\n Imperion: sry, my advice will then be: don't separate modules from trunk if there is a strong dependency, just keep them in the same branch\n After 80 hours, \"bzr check\" on 1.14 MySQL is *still* at \"[####\\ ] checking commit contents:inventories 0/2\". I might give up soon.\n dun dun dun\n bialix: that's just asking for trouble if they should always be kept synchronized\n the truth is: you can merge all your separate modules into core branch easily but not vice versa\n Imperion: so you need some experiments\n I wonder how I'll fix the CMake script to work with this\n if i checkout a bzr branch, is my commit access to it allowed or unallowed, barring any other configuration?\n haaa, GaryvdM is back !\n back from Ubuntu\n GaryvdM: why don't you use a VM instead of a double boot ?\n in ubuntu\n vila: Yes I should\n * bialix does not know cmake specific, can't say much useful\n Imperion: single branch with all modules + core would be much simpler to you right now, given in mind lack of good nested trees support\n okay\n I'm working on new design of scmproj, I'm hope I'll have better support of critical features soon\n vila: The window still flashes for me :-(\n vila: and the paint methods don't get run.\n vila: I'm going to make your other changes though.\n GaryvdM: forget about the cheap trick then, we may want to try harder when I add the plugins to babune\n GaryvdM: but even there you may add some feature check to ensure there is a usable display\n vila: yes - I hope to still find a solution.\n GaryvdM: don't spend too much time on it now, it's better to have tests that requires some feature than no tests :)\n vila: but for now, it's a start in the right direction I believe.\n vila: yes\n GaryvdM: definitely !!\n GaryvdM, bialix : gtg, have a nice week-end !\n Bye vila - Thanks for the help.\n gtg?\n got to go\n gotta go\n bye vila, thanks!\n GaryvdM: I'm ok with your new flashing tests\n GaryvdM: btw, one observation about exception dialog reporter\n if I click X button on this dialog or press Esc then it treats this as Ignore. In most cases the problem too serious and we need to actually close the window\n * bialix going home\n bye GaryvdM, bye all\n beuno: ping\n Peng, hi dude\n beuno: You approve lp:~deuns-martinez/loggerhead/flup? I'd be happy to tweak and land it.\n Peng, I do, I think that with the tweaks it's good enough\n and he's gone to the trouble of signing the contributor agreement, submitting the branch, etc\n beuno: So...want me to go ahead and do that?\n Peng, yes! thank you\n OK. :)\n Done.\n thanks Peng!\n :)\n hi! do the karmic versions of bzr & bzr-svn work OK under Ubuntu Hardy?\n servilio, probably not\n there are some depenency issues with python-central, if IIRC\n There aren't Hardy versions you can use?\n beuno, Peng: just enabled the backports in hardy but didn't see it, now trying to debbuild using karmic source repos, but wanted to quick ask first\n I'd prefer to build from source packages\n There's probably a PPA.\n servilio: Try https://edge.launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive/ppa\n Peng: looking at https://launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=hardy\n Peng: thanks for the suggestion1\n !\n servilio: Don't thank me until you confirm that the PPA versions of bzr + bzr-svn + subvertpy are all compatible...\n Peng: shouldn't the source package specify when it could not be built by using minimum versions for its requirements?\n I created a new test project and I pushed to my server using sftp. No errors. When I try to branch off using http, I get : \"bzr: ERROR: Unknown working tree format: ''\"\n I searched for that error in google but found nothing :(\n What a weird error\n Perhaps you should publish a test repo on your server that people can use to reproduce the bug\n maxb: I published a test repo on my \"dreamhost\" account using sftp and I can branch off from there.\n maxb: I cannot do it from this internal apache web server that the infra team setup.\n maxb: They did not set it up for me to publish bzr branches so they are not willing to help me out\n I can do it but I am on my own :(\n So, to clarify, you are using \"dumb\" http\n yes\n sftp to publish and dumb http to branch from.\n i have a problem with bazaar on nfs4 share\n anyone that can help?\n roychri: Perhaps you could see if using -Derror or -Dhttp shows any useful information\n passing that to bzr cli?\n interesting\n maxb: http://pastebin.com/d5852206f\n i have a problem with running bzr stat on an nfs4 share... anyone that can help?\n roychri: bzr 1.3.1? That's like, ancient history! :-)\n maxb: oh... I simply did \"apt-get install bzr\".\n maxb: I did not realized it was archaic\n Ubuntu or Debian?\n ubuntu 8.04\n There is an official PPA carrying the latest release\n https://launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive/ppa\n roychri: What does http://server5591.lan/code/testyyy/.bzr/checkout/format look like?\n Peng: no checkout in .bzr\n there is a http://server5591.lan/code/testyyy/.bzr/branch/format file however.\n maxb: Thanks for the PPA, I will give it a try\n roychri: What happens if you try to visit http://server5591.lan/code/testyyy/.bzr/checkout/format in a browser, though?\n roychri: Also, is ther eany sort of proxy involved?\n there any*\n i have a problem with running bzr stat on an nfs4 share... anyone that can help?\n if i run bzr stat on the nfs4 share everthing hangs up\n Peng: hmmm. you might be on to somethnig. I am not getting 404.\n Peng: nice. You got it!\n :D\n Peng: There was an .htaccess in the parent folder.\n http://server5591.lan/.htaccess\n With some rewriterules that was screwing things yup\n Does it work now?\n yup\n Branched 1 revision(s).\n Perfect. :)\n Thank you Peng and maxb for your help today.\n i have a problem with running bzr stat on an nfs4 share... anyone that can help?\n if i run bzr stat on the nfs4 share everthing hangs up\n \"Hangs up\"? Are you sure it's not just slow?\n yes\n i am sure\n every other command works though\n https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bzr/+bug/403697\n Launchpad bug 403697 in bzr \"bzr hangs trying to lstat dirstate file\" [Medium,Invalid]\n this bug describes the same behaviour\n Peng: it works with nfs3 and bzr stat works with nfs4 if there has not been any changes\n Peng: but if there is changes it hangs on bzr stat\n Sorry, I don't know much about this.\n anyone else?\n bzr diff and other commands work\n abbec: you could try emailing the mailing list, you may reach a broader audience and increase your chances of finding somebody who knows something about it\n dOxxx: ok... how do i do that?\n abbec: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/bazaar\n you'll need to subscribe to post\n dOxxx: thx\n Anyone knowing lots about bzr-svn layouts here?\n If I have a repository containing many projects *not all at the same depth from the repo root* what should I do?\n Hi all. Can't connect to answers.launchpad.net (some network problem). I am using git for 1,5y and now I am in a company where bzr is popular. I considered switching and I have a question about a feature I use 100% of time in git: interactive add. Is there something like that? I found shelve feature, but it looks like stash in git (i.e. isn't the one I am after)\n rittyan - Not in the core, but I think there is a plugin.\n let me search\n https://edge.launchpad.net/bzr-interactive ?\n rittyan: are you referring to something like the git staging area?\n maxb: yes that's it\n jelmer: Hi, is there any bzr-svn layout configuration that will enable it to deal with a svn repository with multiple projects (trunk tags branches in each) *not all at the same depth from the repo root*?\n maxb: custom/wildcard branch layout\n (sorry for repeating, I got disconnected) Hi all. I am using git for 1,5y and now I am in a company where bzr is popular. I considered switching and I have a question about a feature I use 100% of time in git: interactive add. Is there something like that? I found shelve feature, but it looks like stash in git (i.e. isn't the one I am after)\n i.e., can I commit hunks or lines I pick from a file, instead of whole file\n So I'd have to enumerate each project separately in the bzr-svn config?\n rittyan: Somebody suggested trying bzr-interactive\n rittyan1: https://launchpad.net/bzr-interactive\n maxb: You can use multiple asterisks in the wildcard layout\n branches = */branches/*;*/trunk ?\n rittyan: also, you can use shelve to accomplish something like git's staging area. you shelve the changes you don't want, commit the rest and then unshelve.\n dOxxx: troublesome\n and that plugin looks... \"new\", according to bugs\n maxb: for example\n also, as I understand, plugin => no support in gui\n maxb: asterisks will only cover one directory level\n rittyan1: I'm one of the devlopers of qbzr. I hope to add support for that soon.\n maxb, you might need \"*/trunk; */*/trunk; */*/*/trunk\", etc\n dOxxx: I do series of commits at once, making them small and per-feature from big changes. Shelving/Unshelving is definitely troublesome with such workflow :<\n rittyan: yeah. although to be honest, shelve -> commit is pretty much the same amount of effort as stage -> commit, if you ask me. :)\n rittyan: if you're using this to separate feature commits, perhaps you should be trying feature branches.\n feature branch is something like creating a branch per feature? Like, `git branch ticket-1234`\n rittyan: yes. usually used in conjunction with a shared repository so as to save disk space and make the branching quick.\n I use that workflow already :) it's just isn't wise to use it to add a function (one commit), then put this function to use (another commit), for example\n damn, I am addicted, it seems :/ without hope to switching\n rittyan: for sure, it's best used in a somewhat coarse manner, like a bug per branch, etc.\n hmmm\n rittyan: comment #10 and #16 on http://tomayko.com/writings/the-thing-about-git are interesting\n rittyan: something that may also be useful to you is bzr-pipeline or bzr-loom\n dOxxx: I don't get what it says. I never had any problems with testing or whatsoever, hm :<\n rittyan1: it's more of a general principle thing. The changes committed using git's staging area have not been tested on their own as you're committing them.\n rittyan1: anyway, I'm just saying it's an interesting perspective. I personally found the staging area quite useful in some cases when I was using git a while back.\n care to share what do you do when you write a function, put it to use, make cosmetic changes (you are on a coding spree) and then you need to make 3 commits of it?\n rittyan1: my usual working environment uses cvs, so in that case I cry. ;)\n what about your after-work life :)\n rittyan1: but using bzr, I would use shelve to separate the changes\n rittyan1: or if the cosmetic changes are closely related to the function I added, I would probably just include it in the one commit\n rittyan1: commit history doesn't have to be an exact replica of the process you went through to make the changes.\n of course, that's why I spent an hour today moving back and forth commits for 3 prev. weeks, squashing or \"fixing\" then a bit\n before pushing to public\n rittyan1: using git or bzr?\n I am using git\n I never tried bzr yet, but a lot of people at work do\n I am preparing myself :)\n rittyan1: as I understand it, when you merge stuff from one git repo to another, the target repo gets the individual commit messages. so if you commit with messages \"1\", \"2\", \"3\" and then merge to another repo, that repo will have revisions with messages \"1\", \"2\", \"3\", right?\n hmm\n although I think I'm mixing up my terminology. merge is not push. :)\n hmm I am not sure I got it, but what you say looks correct to me. Also, I used merge only once maybe, in 1.5y of using git\n I am rebase kind of user\n moin\n (i.e. try to stack commits from one branch on top of another and fix conflicts if there any)\n moin lifeless\n anyway, the point I was trying to make is that using feature branches and merging them into a trunk means that the \"messy\" nature of the commits on the feature branch are hidden.\n because the merge appears as a single revision with your merge commit message on the trunk\n dOxxx: yes that's why I don't like merging :))\n rittyan1: however, bzr does expose the individual commits of the merge if you want\n rittyan1: check out this example: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bzr-pqm/bzr/bzr.dev/revision/4832\n what at I should take a closer look there?\n ah! got it\n if you follow the link \"4831.1.1 integration\" on that page, that takes you to the branch vila merged into trunk\n except that I don't see any individual commits there\n on the page for vila's branch you can see 4815.3.8 quiet-serve\n that's *my* feature branch\n if you then click the view history link you'll see the individual commits\n but note that all this info is coming from the bzr.dev trunk repo\n the bzr GUI log tool, qlog, shows it quite a nice way\n I think that I should give it a try\n and see if I like it\n because anyway, sooner or later I will probably have to face bzr\n like it or not :/\n it's not that bad ;)\n and one more question: there must be rebase, I bet. Interactive one? :)\n rittyan1: Here is a screen shot of those revisions in qlog: http://imagebin.ca/view/IjcR0oL.html\n GaryvdM: looks like typical git log in gui\n except that green node has trailing pink changes that have no parent\n the parent is off the screen\n this is that? commits existed during merge?\n ah, right\n rittyan1: yes\n rittyan: note that you can also colapse and expand those merges, like a tree\n rittyan1: there is a plugin for rebase/rewrite\n rittyan1: Yes - there is rebase, via plugin. See http://bazaar-vcs.org/Rebase\n does it mean that on public repos people will know about my private life commits?\n if it's merged, yes\n you could always email patches ;)\n Hopefully you don't commit you private life to a public repo ;-)\n brb, disconnecting vpn\n hmm, thanks for help\n honestly it all sounds very limited, no offence... I am just used to something bizzare it seems\n you are great bunch of guys, thank you o/\n rittyan1: Any time.\n rittyan1: you're welcome\n what's the diomatic way in python to represent an abstract method in an abstract class?\n i.e. as a hint that subclasses must implement this method\n raise NotImplemented\n aha\n No, NotImplementedError.\n thanks\n Yes, sorry thats what I ment.\n NotImplemented is for use in comparison methods. You return it if you don't know how to compare with the other object.\n raise NotImplementedError(self.methodname)\n where 'methodname' is the actual name of the method?\n dOxxx: Where \"self.methodname\" is an expression that evaluates to the method object itself.\n def foo(self): raise NotImplementedError(self.foo)\n Peng: gotcha\n when do we get branch specific eol patterns?\n#bzr 2009-11-28\n .....that's a bit special.... \"bzr multi-pull\" is pulling the same branch over and over again!\n Too many levels of symbolic links: u'/home/maxb/wc/bzr/bzr-svn/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/1.0/.bzr/branch-format'\n heh\n which would be fine, except there's not a symlink in sight\n oh, yes there is\n vila, ping\n vila, what am I missing besides medusa to run all the tests?\n Missing feature 'FTPServer' skipped 42 tests.\n vila, http://paste.ubuntu.com/329884/\n beuno: python-medusa\n not medusa\n hi lifeless\n lemme try that..\n (would make a truck-load of sense)\n beuno: (note that you can't run all the tests, ever).\n beuno: because windows isn't linux and linux isn't windows.\n lifeless, I'm going to let other worry about windows for now\n I get the same thing, sftp tests skipped\n beuno: ftp or sftp ?\n lifeless, sftp\n actually\n FTPServer\n Missing feature 'FTPServer' skipped 42 tests.\n python-medusa should have been it\n it didn't :/\n I guess I can TDD anyway, and figure out the FTP part tomorrow\n beuno: what are you working on ?\n lifeless, bzr-upload, going to implement a few new features\n starting off with a .bzr-upload-ignores\n you can check the feature availability test\n tell me more\n grep for FTPServerFeature, I think it is\n in bzrlib.transports.ftp\n ftp/_gssapi.py: if ftp_server.FTPServerFeature.available():\n from bzrlib.tests import ftp_server\n there's a comment: # medusa is bogus under python2.6\n pyftpdlib...\n can't find anythin in apt with it though\n keep pulling the string\n hm\n maybe pyftpd\n nope\n vila, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~beuno/bzr-upload/ignores/+merge/15346\n I managed to get some decent coding after *months*\n TDD and everything\n vila, I'm dissapointed you're not awake at 4:30am on a Saturday to review my branch\n and I am also dissapointed in how long it takes Launchpad to generate a diff with no feedback at all\n hi guys, i'm trying to convince the company I work at to choose bzr over git for future projects, and i'm wondering what my options are for a central repository with secure access control\n is there some way to proxy the dedicated mode of bzr serve through apache or similar?\n You might want to check out: http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.2.0/en/user-guide/http_smart_server.html\n I've not tried it yet (just don't have enough 'roundtuits)\n hi - is it possible to pull/move a file from an unrelated repo preserving history?\n sorry pull or copy I mean\n I would like to have be able to import a single file with history from another repo\n I'm guessing not but wondered if there was any trickery with rebase or something that could do it\n thrope: You can use merge\n thrope, but that'll pull of the contents of the other repo\n I guess I could branch the source repo, delete everything but the file I want, then merge? (acutally I didn't think you could merge unrelated branches)\n I get bzr: ERROR: Branches have no common ancestor, and no merge base revision was specified. when I test merging\n you can merge unrelated branches by specifying -r0..-1\n same with bzr merge -r 1 ../a\n ah\n great thanks\n only thing is it pulls the whole history of other branch (i guess obvious) but I only really want to changes of that file\n hey folks. i'm looking for a volunteer to take a cvs tree, and a svn tree and merge them into a single bzr tree. i know it can't be much fun, but i figure *somebody* has to like doing this stuff.\n mwhudson: another minor loggerhead thing... running another public instance at a nonroot url (but still https, apache proxypass)... if I go to https://www.host.net/\u001cbzr/ then everything works perfect but if I got to https://www.host.net/\u001cbzr (no trailing slash) then the repo links on the browsing page are broken (go to host.net/repo instead of host.net/bzr/repo)...\n I tried playing with apache settings a bit, and have --prefix set in loggerheadd script; running the relative links patches from the other day\n we're looking at possibly setting up bazaar for our office, and i'm looking into how to get an access controlled central repository with access only over an encrypted transport - currently i think my options are bzr+https with auth via apache, and bzr+ssh with a wrapper like http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bzr-pqm/bzr/bzr.dev/annotate/head%3A/contrib/bzr_ssh_path_limiter - can anyone offer some...\n ...advice?\n Glenjamin: Looks like you already found the right bits, do you have more precise questions ?\n well, what would be the performance implications of one or the other\n The performances should be roughly equivalent AFAIK, you're adding either SSL or ssh encryption anyway\n i think the second option would allow me to supply per-branch permissions as well - but i'm unsure if this would screw up with file ownership\n Ha\n my main issue is that i've got to convince our sysadmin that either of these is better than the git equivalent :)\n http[s] implies a single user on the remote host whereas ssh allows you to either use a single one or several, it depends on how you configure things\n What is the git equivalent on the admin side ?\n well if we were using the https approach, i think we'd have to wrap it with http auth\n there's either git-daemon, which is pretty much bzr serve, so no encryption\n or ssh, where there's a git-shell which is a bit like the python script i linked to above\n Right, so both use a single account on the remote host for ssh right ?\n * vila thinks a single right should be enough...\n well i was mostly expecting that each developer should have their own credentials, in the https case this would be done via apache, and for ssh it'd just be different user accounts\n vila, hi!\n beuno: hey !\n Glenjamin: so, if you go the several accounts route, you will encounter more problems to share, since the file system persmissions will come into play, what OS is used on the remote host ?\n ubuntu\n i suppose one user with multiple keys might be a decent compromise, so that each user has different credentials to log in\n that's a good point ;) What release (just out of curiosity but also to check which bzr version is available there)\n vila, did you get my messages?\n i think its jaunty\n but i might be able to talk him into adding the bazaar ppa\n beuno: not yet I presume, I haven't check my mail yet, but I've seen your messages here, I'll will look at that closely and soon, but may be not right now :-)\n Glenjamin: gee, but you already know all the tricks ! Why are you asking questions :-)\n because its not me that needs convincing :)\n hehe\n i've been using bazaar for personal stuff, plus bzr-svn at work for a while\n we're looking at using a DVCS for new projects, but everyone else is leaning towards git, mainly because of the visibility of github\n ie. they want to use git because its probably more popular\n Glenjamin: So, IMHP, the safer (as in: simpler, less trouble, hence raising less questions from your admin) is the single ssh account and the additional script\n makes sense\n and then loggerhead proxied through apache for web browsing\n yup\n the biggest question may be which workflows you want to allow, is it a single trunk on the host or also the ability for each dev to mirror its own branches or do you want team branches where several dev can commit too, etc\n i think it'll be a nominated mainline per project, and then all development branches mirrored to the repo\n and there's no real reason i can see why some dev branches cant be shared\n beuno: regarding pyftpd, I'm pretty sure I documented the URL to download from somewhere, there is no debian/ubuntu package AFAIK, but it's a single .py file\n Glenjamin: then, would you restrict the sharing or should everybody be able to write everywhere ?\n hrm, ideally we'd want to be able to restrict some repos to certain users\n Did you look at the bzr_access script too ?\n disclaimer: I haven't use either\n i skimmed it earlier, loggerhead is having a fit any wont show it to me anymore :(\n Glenjamin: Hey ! Are you related to Neil Martinsen-Burell ???\n i'm not\n but if i recall he's been doing some stuff on a bug i reported\n gelnjamin.co.uk having trouble with http authenticated access after redirection ?\n yup\n bug #395714 ?\n Launchpad bug 395714 in bzr \"Redirect to location protected by HTTP auth fails\" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/395714\n thats the one\n That's weird, he seems to be able to reproduce the bug and I'm not :-/\n hrm, i'll update bzr on this machine and have a go\n Regarding your remark about loggerhead, you mean you don't have the bzr sources locally ?\n i'm aiming to replace the setup we have at the moment which is SVN over DAV with apache, where the devs dont have any other access to that box\n bzr_access should be far enough with a single ssh account then. At least that's how I understand its intent.\n beuno: still there ?\n beuno: good, enjoy your week-end :-D\n hrm, i think i'd only be able to get per-branch (ie. per-project) access control if i go back to the bzr+https approach\n the ssh command bazaar sends to start up the hpss using ssh doesnt know which branch its after\n vila, kind of\n vila: updated to all the latest bzr releases, and i can still reproduce the bug\n which version are you using?\n Glenjamin: lp:~vila/bzr/395714-auth-redirect\n the bug is genuine, but Neil said even eith the fix in the branch above he still reproduces the bug\n I have, in my code tree, several directories which contain code which is compiled into executables. The executables have the same name as the directories. I want to ignore them, but \"Regular expression patterns may not include named or numbered groups.\"\n Is there another way to do this?\n RE:\\(.*\\)/\\1 in .bzrignore does not accomplish my goal.\n just be explicit?\n Directories get added frequently. I don't want to have to, and don't want my users (physicists, we're writing analysis code, so my users are coders) to have to, edit .bzrignore all the time.\n could you change the build process to put all the executables in one /bin directory?\n I don't think so. Too much of a break with history-weighted process.\n wait, maybe I've got an idea.\n .*\\(/.*\\)*\n not sure if I've got the grouping syntax and such correct for python regex\n but RTFMing.\n hey\n is anyone working on bzr-git currently?\n putting up with git is beyond my patience, I'd really like to have a sane frontend to that idiocy\n mathrick: jelmer is\n jelmer: my hero!\n is it any usable? Last I checked (long time ago), it wasn't\n mathrick: AFAIK, it is, with less and less restrictions (I don't know the details though)\n * mathrick goes to check it out\n vila, I sumbitted a merge proposal for the ignore feature in bzr-upload. I still can't get the testsuite to tun FTPServer tests though\n beuno: if you're using python2.6 you need pyftpdlib\n seriously, git is just retarded\n * jelmer waves\n jelmer: hola!\n mathrick, everything except for true push should be working\n cool, can I use it directly on a git-cloned repo, or do I need to go through bzr-git?\n vila, where do I get it from?\n * vila searching for the pyftpdlib URL\n mathrick: you should be able to use it directly on a git-cloned repo\n yay\n * mathrick pants a little\n mathrick, although that'll still have some quirks since there is no equivalent of the index in bzr\n jelmer: right now just getting me bzr missing with git will be way awesomer than plain git :)\n i'm having trouble compiling bzr on windows - its saying cannoy find -lzdll, which i'm sure i've seen before and solved\n does it ring any bells for anyone?\n mathrick, that won't work on remote git repositories unfortunately though\n beuno: as mentioned in bzrlib/tests/ftp_server/pyftpdlib.py : http://code.google.com/p/pyftpdlib/\n vila, where do I put it?\n beuno: no debian/ubuntu packages AFAIK, but it's a simple py file, put it somewhere in your PYTHONPATH\n aiight\n $HOME/lib/python :)\n mathrick: (it's impossible since the server doesn't provide enough data)\n bah\n why does it have to be so stupid and so popular?\n Glenjamin: rings a bell too... should be mentioned in setup.py or one of its included files\n jelmer: so how does it handle that situation? Or does it not? :)\n Glenjamin: or maybe you have to rename something.... isn't there a wiki page about building on windows ?\n vila, that worked! (and they all passed)\n Glenjamin: http://bazaar-vcs.org/WindowsInstall says: *\n Zlib - zlib123-dll.zip | Homepage Extract zlib123-dll.zip to temporary folder and copy zlib1.dll into C:\\Windows\\System32\n beuno: you rock !\n ah, thanks\n vila, would be nice to make a package for that *wink*\n there's about 6 different wiki pages for bazaar install on windows :D\n Glenjamin: feel free to add comments pointing to the one that works for you ! It's a wiki :D\n i'll test it first, i get the feeling that this step might be more for VS than GCC\n mathrick: it can't unless somebody fixes the git smart server\n mathrick, it'll simply tell you \"not supported over git://\"\n well, I haven't been able to make that regex (or any variant thereof) work properly either.\n vila: right, finally managed to build the branch - i get a KeyError on 'protocol' now\n i wonder if it might be simpler to use a defaultdict with None for auth\n does anybody know why \"Regular expression patterns may not include named or numbered groups.\"? This seems a silly restriction to someone who doesn't know anything.\n Glenjamin: grrr, I don't think so, the problem is I can't figure which codepath is involved in your case, can you provide me with a .bzr.log for a command run with -Dhttp (taking care of removing any auth header that may reveal your credentials (that includes Basic or Dihest related headers)\n woah, I haven't visited the bzr page in a long time it seems\n * mathrick wonders at the shiny new look\n that url isnt a real branch, its just an empty repository with http auth on\n Glenjamin: -Dhttp will tell me :)\n Glenjamin: you can send me the .bzr.log by mail if you prefer, if any credentials are left, at least you'll have only one culprit to track :)\n http://pastebin.com/m32e6c375\n i'm fairly sure there arent any valid credentials for that auth config anyway\n bzr-svn !\n jelmer: are you using the _urllib2_wrappers ability to follow redirections ?\n Glenjamin: can you retry that with and additional --no-plugins ?\n s/and/an/\n yup\n vila: no\n works now\n :)\n :-/\n Glenjamin: ok, at least I know where to search (even if jelmer pretends to be innocent :-D)\n :)\n the issues all stem from trying to access non-existant keys in the auth dict\n Glenjamin: that's the apparent cause, a deeper one is that we shouldn't use that code path but one that create the auth dict correctly,\n http://pastebin.com/m241bae14 jelmer, you lied :-D\n that's really funny because *I* should provide OPTIONS to jelmer so he can use it safely :)\n _urlib2_wrappers.py line 360\n Glenjamin: look at the comment just above\n vila: that's not using the redirections following code though\n the comment just above says \"containing at least...\"\n and then creates dicts which clearly dont\n jelmer: yes it is, except we don;t have the same definition of redirections following code ;)\n Glenjamin: that's because callers should do that (look at http/__init__ create_auth)\n the redirection code in _urllib2_wrappers don't handle auth correctly (as that bug revealed) instead, callers are supposed to use the do_catching_redirections in transport/__init__\n jelmer: the bug is really that bzr http transport don't provide OPTIONS, don't you think ?\n rotfl\n vila, thanks for the review,r eplied\n vila: yeah, HttpTransport should really have options\n for those not understanding the joke, we had a discussion with jelmer about whether OPTIONS should be supported by bzr even if it's isn't required internally :D\n * vila feels dragged into working on bzr when he should be working on family backups :0)\n now i remember why i gave up trying to follow this call chain when i first reported this one :D\n beuno: about the README, I'm all for helping people find the relevant bits, but I'm against duplication since it leads to out-of-date info, how about putting the right pointers in the README ? Or separating the concerns and do that in another merge proposal ?\n vila, sure, I'll drop it from that branch\n Glenjamin: yeah, the design is inherited from the python urllib2, in retrospect, it was a bad idea, but it helped building the actual implementation and all the related feaures: connection sharing, proxy support, various auth schemes, all of which weren't supported by urllib2 :-/\n eeerk low batteries for keyboard, priority interrupt\n jelmer: I ran into some crashes: http://pastebin.com/m5b10d31d\n mathrick, please file a bug\n ok\n Is there a way to get bzr diff to output files which don't include the entire path?\n ie, I do bzr diff under foo/bar/qux and it generates a diff for file foo/bar/qux/mooh.c, instead of just mooh.c\n will colocated branches aka fasces be supported soon?\n eelik: they aren't the same thing, and no one knows :)\n How they are different?\n fasces is a fullermd term to describe something he would like to see\n colocated branches is a jelmer created term to describe something he would like to see\n but basically both describe the \"git-style branches\" where one working tree is shared by many branches in one directory?\n That's a feature I'd like to see...\n So there's actually no schedule for implementing either?\n#bzr 2009-11-29\n eelik: there is no schedule for either. But you can just use a tree-less repository and a single working tree which you run 'bzr switch' to switch between.\n I know, but it's clumsy\n can't compete with git\n eelik: true; you're welcome to work on reducing the clumsiness\n (or on those other proposals)\n jelmer: poke?\n jelmer: bzr st on git branches seems wonky, it doesn't report modified files that haven't been added to the index\n mathrick, hi\n mathrick, you need to \"git add\" them again to see the changes\n yeah, I know, but I was expecting bzr st to tell me about the changes\n mathrick, you probably just want a bzr working tree in that case\n jelmer: It would be nice if 'bzr st' behaved as bzr does here.\n jelmer: that is, to refresh the index\n jelmer: possible, I use bzr-git as more bearable git for working on code with git upstream; what's the least painful setup in this case?\n lifeless: sure, but somebody would have to code that up\n lifeless: it's nontrivial since we can't really trust the index\n lifeless, but we also would like to avoid writing to the index on read operations\n jelmer: the index is ~= dirstate, and we write to the dirstate on read operations.\n lifeless: but that's just the stat cache though, isn't it?\n lifeless, modifying the actual contents of the index seems more dubious to me\n jelmer: we don't version or unversion things\n jelmer: but I'm not suggesting we do that here either.\n lifeless: not versioning/unversioning a particular file, but versioning a particular revision of a fil\n \"git status\" would give different output when run after \"bzr status\"\n jelmer: yes, it would match whats on disk more ;)\n lifeless: :-)\n jelmer: you will get complaints either way ;)\n lifeless: Yes, and it is the way it is because it doesn't require any effort on my part ;-)\n *extra\n jelmer: the other way is more useful for the bzr-git user though\n I think it's fairly safe to assume that people who use bzr-git are expecting more bzr-like behaviour\n jelmer: anyway, how hard will it be to push/send patches upstream if I switch to a bzr tree instead of operating on the git tree directly?\n mathrick: it wouldn't be any harder/less hard than using a git repository locally I think\n mathrick: The index won't ever be a 1-to-1 match with a bzr working tree\n I think the best solution would be to keep a separate sha1-cache independent of the git index\n and use that for bzr-git\n spiv:\n https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~spiv/testtools/test-parameterisation - might want to finish, or delete.\n \\o/ bzr selftest selftest working with testtools test runner\n An autopack gave me an \"inconsistent details in skipped record\" message. \"bzr pack\" did not. What does that mean, exactly?\n inconsistent details in skipped record: ('monty@askmonty.org-20091125073628-7fekfnr2hmkbjos1',) ('660427 67263 0 319', StaticTuple(StaticTuple(StaticTuple('monty@mysql.com-20091116153408-azpb6hq1zfp1kpvv',), StaticTuple('monty@askmonty.org-20091107103419-28zpi3oyre6kaf2l',)),)) ('1545757 266 0 319', ([('monty@mysql.com-20091116153408-azpb6hq1zfp1kpvv',), ('monty@askmonty.org-20091107103419-28zpi3oyre6kaf2l',)],))\n hi, howcome there is no Arch Linux here: http://bazaar-vcs.org/Download ?\n How do I best install qbzr and bzr-explorer in arch linux?\n hm, bzr seems very ubuntu-centric\n not really\n * fullermd looks at all the computers around him with bzr installed, and notes that none of them run ubuntu :p\n just install them from source\n or you could be the lucky arch user who packages them first :)\n well, they are packaged in the aur, but the seem to be out-of-date\n Hi, I just downloaded qbzr (I want to install bzr-explorer and it said to install qbzr first). What do I do with the extracted tarball? It doesn't have any INSTALL, and the README.txt doesn't say anything about installing :(\n christoph3141: python setup.py install\n Glenjamin: thanks!\n I followed the instructions at http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/explorer/en/install-linux.html, but running \"bzr explorer\" says \"bzr: ERROR: unknown command \"explorer\"\"\n What do I do?\n oh, it works now, I was in the wrong directory while running the command\n lol\n bzr thinks my Mac OS X box is a weird windows hybrid!\n Bazaar (bzr) 2.1.0b3\n Python interpreter: /usr/bin/python26.dll 2.6.1\n hi. would anyone have an idea how to get started setting up loggerhead for IIS7?\n python is installed and running fine, but i'm lost from there on\n I have a branch derived from a tailor-generated branch. I know want to move it over to a branch created via Launchpad's vcs-import. How would I do that? There's no common ancestor.\n hum.. does not seem to be possible (easily).. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/318620\n Launchpad bug 318620 in bzr \"When merging two branches without common ancestry, Bazaar provides no means to map file IDs\" [Undecided,Confirmed]\n I guess I'll do a merge with \"-r\", manually compare the directories and then commit..\n moin\n hi\n where can i get the special SSH for Bazaar?\n what special SSH?\n meoblast001, AFAIK all the packages now install or cause to be installed sufficient SSH for it to work.\n ?\n lifeless: the one that lets 2 people work on the same project\n without being in the same UNIX group\n meoblast001: do you mean the launchpad ssh server?\n yup\n meoblast001: because that requires the same UNIX group, by having /everyone/ be in the same unix group and doing its own checking first.\n meoblast001: in the launchpad source code.\n i tried downloading launchpad and it tried to screw with my system\n meoblast001: yes, it will be a lot of work to reuse that code.\n :/\n does every version control system have this problem :/\n yes.\n are there any other SSH servers that can fix my problem?\n you haven't described your problem.\n so I can't answer that question.\n i have someone who wants to help me on a project i'm doing, this is a personal project so i'm using my Bazaar server\n but i don't want to put him in the same group as me on my server\n well, i don't want him to ahve access to everything i have access to\n make a new group?\n but then he can't access my code for this project\n chown the project to that new group ?\n then i can't access it\n put yourselfin the group too\n then he can access all my projects\n how?\n they are in a different group\n wait, can a user be in more than 1 group?\n of course\n *gasp*\n learn something new everday i guess\n so i just have a group for each project then?\n something like that, yes.\n you may want to do some reason on this under general unix sysadmin knowledge.\n do you know of any better solutions?\n i don't like to put my personal projects on launchpad because they're really not official, generally just things i make when i'm bored\n there's always +junk\n +junk?\n you can push stuff to ~yourid/+junk/\n like this https://code.launchpad.net/~gutworth/+junk/mod2format\n what if i want it on my server though >.<\n anyways, i'm a hacker, i enjoy experimenting ;)\n hi. does anyone have any suggestions how to use Loggerhead on IIS7?\n apparently theres some isapi thing\n if you mail the like awilkins, who does that, may see.\n he may have blogged about it already in fact.\n oh hmm, awilkins does the smart server on windows... but I wouldn't be surprised if he has loggerhead too\n lifeless: ah right, i see\n any chance of getting it on a shared server you think?\n (virtual server i guess)\n I don't know what you mean\n lifeless: well my point is that i don't have access to IIS7 directly\n only a control panel - so i can't install arbitrary modules\n oh. well I've got no idea there sorry.\n no worries\n lifeless: loggerhead isn't purely web-based, right?\n so it's going to require some hackery\n Noldorin: its a python wsgi web server\n you should be able to run it up, with some glue code, in any wsgi container\n or proxy to it from any proxy capable webserver (such as apache)\n bzr-gtk makes nautilus crash in debian sid. anyone know a fix?\n lifeless: i see. i'm not really a python coder (as you may remember), so that's probably asking for trouble\n would be cool if someone else has already done it though\n i guess if there's some sort of python web app equivalent to loggerhead, that would be ideal\n loggerhead is a python web app\n lifeless: hrrm. probably just showing my ignorance here. i'm an ASP.NET guy mainly.\n and python is installed on my server as well, but i guess i'm not sure exactly what that means\n http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0333/\n http://code.google.com/p/isapi-wsgi/\n (just quickly googled for wsgi python and wsgi python isapi)\n lifeless: yeah, guess i'll just have to ask my web admin then\n thanks anyway\n lifeless: oh, in case you're curious...if you remember those problems i was having with bzr via ftp on my iis server. seems upgrading to iis 7 solved it :P\n Noldorin: the crazy file system stuff?\n Noldorin: I'm curious if there were any other system changes made at the same time\n lifeless: that's right. where we concluded the ftp server wasn't conforming to the rfc and such\n so am i...\n there was an upgrade to win server 2008 too\n but i wouldn't know anything more\n * lifeless guesses at the OS change being it. \n lifeless: you think? more likely than the version of iis?\n meh. once either gets completely phased out, your problem is solved anyway :P\n only another 10 years :)\n Noldorin: yeah, much more likely to be OS level - DFS stuff - than IIS\n mm, makes sense i guess.\n lifeless: probably not quite that long, but yeah :P\n at least the problem is rare enough anyway\n bzr-gtk makes nautilus crash in debian sid. anyone know a fix?\n elli222: Did this start recently? I was using nautilus with bzr-gtk installed for quite a while without problems\n nope its happened whenever i've installed it\n (in debian sid)\n elli222, in that case, no idea - sorry\n well, what was your idea anyway? it might work regardless\n in that case it wouldn't be caused by e.g. a new version of nautilus being introduced that's incompatible with bzr-gtk\n it only crashes when trying to go into a directory containing SVN controlled folders. i don't have any native bzr ones.\n you should be able to disable the bzr-gtk integration in nautilus, that should at least allow you to use the other bits of nautilus\n elli222, does using bzr manually in those folders work?\n hmm, i'll check\n i assume bzr pull would be the same as svn up?\n OK~ thats wrong\n no, bzr up\n that appeared to work\n yep, it worked\n can you try accessing a native bzr branch with nautilus?\n you should be able to create one with 'bzr init'\n that also appeared to work\n yep, seems like nautilus dosen't like bzr-gtk and bzr-svn\n looks like bzr-gtk has a spasm with SVN aswell\n and what about e.g. \"bzr log\" in a svn working copy?\n that works fine\n hmm, that's odd\n do you have any something likme nautilus-svn installed as well perhaps?\n nope\n hey i've got a bzr problem that i can't solve on my own\n perhaps you should describe it and ask a question :)\n elli222, not quite sure what's happening then\n elli222: please file a bug report\n elli222, you should be able to work around the problem by uninstalling either nautilus-bzr or bzr-svn if you are not using either of them\n *one\n http://pastebin.com/d42185bf3\n lifeless, ^\n when i try to commit i get that error message\n pace_t_zulu_: run bzr break-lock lp:~jhaitas/gnome-panel/panel-layout\n spiv, ty\n later\n * igc out for a few hours -bbl\n#bzr 2010-11-29\n hello all !\n hello vila\n poolie: hi there !\n poolie, spiv: Regarding the doc-new-config mp, thanks for the feedback !\n hi there\n thanks for posting it; sorry for the delay\n I don't think it's ready to land in trunk, devnotes sounds more like it, but even there, I think more work is needed before landing, so I will reply to the points raised and put it in wip\n well, i think you should merge it to devnotes then\n there doesn't have to be any guarantee that files in that tree are finished or agreed-upon\n and it makes them visible and shareable\n (more so than being in just a random wip branch)\n good point, I'll do that then\n So... somebody just asked me \"How do I do bzr?\"\n any link?\n MTecknology: http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/en/ ?\n MTecknology: http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/bzr.dev/en/tutorials/index.html ?\n thanks :)\n vila, so on the sru\n poolie: So, as maxb raised, on step forward two steps backwards for the Mricro Release Exception, we need testtools included in the main archive to be able to run the tests as part of the build\n poolie: as you pointed out in your reply, this means running the tests externally\n poolie: and making sure testtools is part of main for natty\n poolie: jml said he doesn't care whether python-testtools is part of main or universe, I've started looking at what is needed to get it in main (hopefully not much)\n https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess is the relevant page AIUI\n ok\n From https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionRequirements, I think this shouldn't cause any problems\n meant to do it today; didn't\n ?\n *I* meant to do it Friday but couldn't finish ;)\n well, I didn't get farer than reading the above pages really\n vila: farther\n lifeless: haaaa, but of course !\n *further*\n or not?\n meh\n apparently yes, but only barely: http://englishplus.com/grammar/00000213.htm\n I meant: I've started, there is more to do, but I lacked time to continue\n right, that's what i understood :)\n so literally I think it's farther, but the English usage is probably further, thanks to both of you anyway ;)\n \"farer\" that's perfect! it even makes sense following the insane rules of english.\n i think i'll just send a brief note to tb and see what they say\n poolie: ok, can you CC me ?\n i will\n poolie: heh, whoops.\n poolie: I've finally logged into netbank and wired you that stuff\n thanks\n vila, maxb: just so i don't embarrass myself, it is correct that the test suite is now clean both during a build and from the installed package\n in 2.2.2\n I haven't checked recently, but that's my understanding\n If that's not the case, it should be fixed\n vila: sent; we'll see\n ok\n poolie: maverick slave upgraded to 2.2.2, running the test suite there to confirm\n ok, good night vila\n hehe, good night to you ;)\n poolie: http://blog.benstrong.com/2010/11/google-and-microsoft-cheat-on-slow.html\n nice\n \"Google.... decided the best way to make forward progress was to just turn it on and see whether the internet actually melts down or not\"\n :)\n Which do they consider success? :p\n jelmer: ping\n vila: hey\n jelmer: I tried to upgrade lp:~bzr-core/bzr/devnotes which is still in format knitpack6 (bzr 1.9) but it failed because it's still stacked on the old trunk\n there is now a backup.bzr.~1~ there with the previous content\n jelmer: is there a way for me to either restore that and re-stack on the new trunk and upgrade or do I need someone powerful hand behind the scenes ?\n vila: It should be possible to use hitchhiker to move the old backup directory and manually fix the stacked-on branch using hitchhiker as well\n jelmer: ha right, made a typo with lftp\n and got a misleading Access failed: Permission denied: \"Cannot create '.bzr-broken'. Only Bazaar branches are allowed.\n there are particular file names that are allowed\n I think backup.bzr* is allowed\n as well as .bzr\n yeah, the typo was backup.bzr~2~ instead of backup.bzr.~2~ after .bzr-broken was refused\n so the last period is mandatory\n jelmer: I had to upload a locally patched branch.conf to update the stacked-on repo :-/ After the upgrade failed successfully 8-/\n vila: \\o/\n vila: This is too hard for somebody not familiar with the internals though :-/\n jelmer: yeah, filing a bug asking for --stacked-on parameter for upgrade\n jelmer: exactly my point\n morning vila and jelmer\n hey jam 1\n how was the turkey ?\n pretty good\n hey John\n fun to be around my family\n jelmer: hey. Got a moment to talk about how to run tests on a buildd and the 2.2.2 SRU?\n maxb: sure\n The thing is, the 2.2.2 SRU as is doesn't pass the tests\n The problem is the tests in 2.2 fail if they are run in a directory containing setup.py and run as root\n maxb: I don't think we should be introducing the change to run the tests in a SRU\n maxb: which ones ?\n maxb: I fixed the setup.py test a week or two ago in bzr.dev.\n The one which tests 'setup.py install', and tries to write to /usr/share/apport/\n This is not a problem in bzr.dev because I ripped out the apport installation from setup.py there with poolie's blessing\n maxb: Why did you remove the apport installation?\n I can dig up the MP, but the summary is \"This is never the right thing to do - configuring apport is something for distros to do.\"\n maxb: I think this test should be skipped if run by root, sounds far too dangerous anyway\n https://code.launchpad.net/~maxb/bzr/no-install-apport/+merge/38463\n maxb: Ah, ok. That's a reasonable approach (though it'd mean we'd have to patch bzr in Ubuntu)\n vila: To be honest, I'm rather confused why this test is considered valuable at all\n maxb: Making sure that \"setup.py install\" works seems like a nice thing, it's broken in the past.\n maxb: catching up regressions\n jelmer: The interesting fact to note is that the old apport installation code does *not* install the apport hooks in the bzr ubuntu package :-)\n maxb: https://code.launchpad.net/~jelmer/bzr/setup.py-root/+merge/40067\n Oh, I get it now, you want to catch setup.py install failures in PQM\n maxb: which is why eager tests are bad :(\n maxb: But I guess that's been obsoleted by your change.\n maxb: I ran http://babune.ladeuil.net:24842/job/selftest-maverick/ this morning, but not as root, is it the only test failing ?\n --root is more technically correct anyway\n vila: checking for my ppa build log...\n meh, wrong url, the correct one is: http://babune.ladeuil.net:24842/job/selftest-maverick-proposed/\n https://code.launchpad.net/~maxb/+archive/ppa/+build/2064150\n maxb: so I used the bzr from the bzr/proposed ppa\n That buildlog shows just the one failure\n Oh, you are testing the run-tests-when-installed part of the puzzle, I am focussing on the run-tests-on-buildd part of the puzzle\n maxb: yes\n maxb: my understanding was that we couldn't use python-testtools during the build so I reverted to the manual check\n oh, so you activate the tests in your private ppa (was wondering where I got my bzr-2.2.2 suddenly ;)\n vila: I'm testing in ~maxb because ~bzr has a newer testtools than the primary archive, so wouldn't be a realistic test\n Also, I am running the tests in ~bzr, but with some tweaks to how they are invoked in debian/rules, which I haven't managed to convince jelmer of the rightness of for Debian&Ubuntu yet.\n Hi--I'm having some trouble with pushing from bzr explorer. Is this the right place to be?\n Is anyone here?\n bzr: hi\n Hi!\n bzr: I'm afraid I don't really have much experience with bzr-explorer. What's the problem?\n I seem to have set my username wrong--I'm George from that tricky bzr push bug.\n When I try to push, I get:\n Run command: bzr push\n Using saved push location: https://george@nanotech.com@pl3.projectlocker.com/nano/www/svn\n bzr: ERROR: Please upgrade your Subversion client libraries to 1.5 or higher to be able to commit with Subversion mapping v4 (current version is (1, 4, 4, ''))\n (The bug was https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/681285?comments=all)\n Launchpad bug 681285 in Bazaar \"Can't push my changes in Bazaar (affected: 1, heat: 6)\" [Undecided,Incomplete]\n bzr: you're using bzr-svn trunk?\n I think so.\n Is that:\n svn 1.0.3\n your copy of subvertpy was linked against an old version of libsvn\n Support for Subversion branches\n /Library/Python/2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/plugins/svn\n How do I fix that?\n I tried rebuilding bzr using MacPorts, but that didn't work at all...\n bzr: you can either recompile subvertpy against a newer libsvn or install bzr from another source\n Can I recompile just subvertpy using MacPorts? Or is there another way to do that?\n What other sources can I use to install bzr?\n bzr: I'm not sure (I've never really used a Mac)\n Hm.\n bzr: I think the other alternative is the installer on the bzr site\n macports is a quick path to brokenness\n nah\n I used the installer from the bzr site.\n This one:\n http://edge.launchpad.net/bzr/2.2/2.2.1/+download/Bazaar-2.2.1-OSX-10.5-1.dmg\n Right?\n yeah you can't use the installer if you want to use macports stuff\n I've also tried: http://launchpad.net/bzr/2.2/2.2.0/+download/Bazaar-2.2.0-OSX-10.5-1.dmg\n Shouldn't those have a more up-to-date svn version?\n Do I want to try: http://launchpad.net/bzr/2.3/2.3b3/+download/Bazaar-2.3b3-OSX-10.5-1.dmg\n ?\n I've been using 2.3 for quite some time without problems\n Okay, I guess I'll try that then...\n Is it possibly that I'm on OS X 10.5?\n Same error on bzr 2.3b3.\n hi all\n hm, that's confusing :)\n Run command: bzr push\n bzr: ERROR: Please upgrade your Subversion client libraries to 1.5 or higher to be able to commit with Subversion mapping v4 (current version is (1, 4, 4, ''))\n 'morning poolie\n Hi poolie.\n I just tried downloading and installing the py26-subvertpy via MacPorts. Same error.\n bzr: I'm not sure what's going on there. It could be that you end up using the system svn libraries or something like that\n My system svn claims to be 1.6.9.\n bzr: Perhaps you could first confirm where this Subversion 1.4.4 installation is - the system one? Something else?\n (from svn help)\n It's not the system one.\n I really don't know where it is.\n Is there any way to get bzr to tell me where it's getting its svn?\n bzr set 'BZR_PDB=1' in the environment\n then when it/if it crashes, type 'pp sys.modules()'\n Where do I type pp sys.modules()? And will it work if bzr doesn't crash?\n It just fails with:\n Run command: bzr push\n Using saved push location: https://george@nanotech.com@pl3.projectlocker.com/nano/www/svn\n bzr: ERROR: Please upgrade your Subversion client libraries to 1.5 or higher to be able to commit with Subversion mapping v4 (current version is (1, 4, 4, ''))\n If it does not crash, you will not get the prompt at which you would type the pp command\n Hm.\n Is there a way to get it to crash?\n bzr: OK, so I have checked the bzr-svn source code, and the 1.4.4 being reported is the version of Subversion that the subvertpy python extension was compiled against\n Thanks.\n So...I need to upgrade subvertpy?\n Shouldn't updating subvertpy via MacPorts have worked?\n I have zero Mac knowledge\n But certainly, you do need to rebuild subvertpy against a newer subversion\n Who would know how to do that?\n I have to go now, sorry.\n I have to go too. More anon. Thanks!\n hello to all\n I have a question about the bzr hooks and signals, how we can check on server side that new branch is created?\n I found this hook post_branch_init but I'm not very familar with API so, can someone suggest how to work with this ?\n rootart: have you seen http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/development/en/user-guide/hooks.html ?\n rootart: the object passed to the hook is http://people.canonical.com/~mwh/bzrlibapi/bzrlib.branch.BranchInitHookParams.html\n spiv: yes, I saw that, for now I think I can get the action, but now I have over one, I have a repository 'repo', I want create a branch 'b1', I am getting the new one branch object, but how can I know what repository this branch is a copy of ?\n spiv: thanks again, that is done I think\n spiv: now have only this last one question\n rootart: if you have a branch object, the repository is 'your_branch.repository'\n hi maxb, spiv, jelmer\n evening\n ...if I try and delete the bug watch from bug 682600 I get OOPS-1794O2309\n Launchpad bug 682600 in Bazaar \"Fix RandomPool Depreciation Warning from pycrypto (affected: 2, heat: 262)\" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/682600\n https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1794O2309\n#bzr 2010-11-30\n mgz: ooh: IntegrityError: update or delete on table \"bugwatch\" violates foreign key constraint \"bugwatchactivity_bug_watch_fkey\" on table \"bugwatchactivity\"\n spiv: does that need a bug filing against something or is there one already?\n https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bugs?field.searchtext=IntegrityError\n nothing similar looking there.\n I *think* the malone team will take care of that for you, I'm pretty sure the OOPS reports are routinely analysed and turned into bugs.\n But there's no harm in filing a bug with the OOPS ID\n It might even speed the process.\n hi mgz\n hey poolie.\n hm, some dupe finder on file does something useful for once and turns up bug 575911\n Launchpad bug 575911 in Launchpad Bugs \"Trying to delete a bug watch results in a non-OOPSing IntegrityError (affected: 2, heat: 6)\" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/575911\n I'm guessing the fix wasn't intended to make it an OOPSing IntegrityError\n haha\n hi spiv, how are you?\n poolie: pretty good. About to submit a merge proposal for bug 309682, then I was thinking of starting on the HPSS request jam's shallow branch mail talked about.\n Launchpad bug 309682 in Bazaar \"tags are copied but their revisions may not be (affected: 0, heat: 8)\" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/309682\n poolie: so, doing better than the Australian cricket team :)\n hahaha\n spiv that sounds good to fix\n i'm a bit tired and struggling through my mail and todo list\n i might stop it and try some easy bugs soon\n Hmm, as usual, reviewing my diff before I'm about to submit it I think \u00e2\u0080\u009cI could add more tests...\u00e2\u0080\u009d\n heh, i didn't think about spiv and cricket until just now :)\n spiv: Since you're patch pilot and you like incremental diffs: https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/bzr/is_executable/+merge/42197\n heh\n actually that was last week, vila needs to update /topic I guess...\n But sure, I can take a look.\n I wonder a little about changing the behaviour in a stable branch\n Even if it better behaviour.\n spiv: Well, that's fair.\n spiv: But it's buggy behaviour, too.\n spiv: It causes iter_changes to report bogus data.\n spiv: We can resumit it for lp:bzr if you think that's best.\n thanks for proposing that, abentley\n Buggy behaviour that was codified in tests... so buggy in a way that perhaps isn't immediately obvious, so it does seem pretty plausible some plugin might be depending on it, even accidentally.\n spiv, who is pp now?\n and i wonder if you should send a brief report?\n I'm really unsure how large the risk is here.\n It's an \"unknown unknown\", I guess ;)\n poolie: vila I think, and good point...\n poolie: np.\n abentley: if landing in lp:bzr is good enough for Launchpad to benefit from the fix, then my inclination is to do that, just to be conservative with our stable releases.\n spiv: Okay, I'll retarget it to lp:bzr, and then we'll spin a bzr-2.2.2-launchpad-1 for ourselves.\n spiv: It's not, but we can diverge until we get on the 2.3 series.\n *nod*, well, it at least helps a bit to have an approved patch to backport to your diverged 2.2.\n spiv: true.\n the general plan was to have lp run bzr 2.2 releases, until we get to 2.3rc or the last beta\n i'll read it too\n spiv, poolie: resubmitted as https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/bzr/is_executable/+merge/42203\n i'd really rather not have lp run its own branch if we can avoid it\n spiv, poolie: And resubmitted once more, because 2.2 has unmerged revisions: https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/bzr/is_executable/+merge/42204\n abentley, i'm so glad you added resubmit&retarget\n poolie: Cool.\n poolie, spiv: I can do a more conservative fix to 2.2 if I adjust the is_executable callsite. Then it would only affect PreviewTree._comparison_data.\n* poolie changed the topic of #bzr to: Bazaar version control | try https://answers.launchpad.net/bzr for more help | http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | Patch pilot: jam | 2.2.2 has is out (rm vila)\n spiv did you want to tweak anything in https://code.launchpad.net/~eric97/bzr/fix-merge-docs/+merge/40671\n poolie: no, it looked good to go except for the contributor agreement\n is branching supposed to be fairly immediate?\n or am I missing something in my setup?\n is that an LP question? or are you branching locally?\n I've got a shared repo, with a svn mirror in a branch called mainline\n branching locally\n when I do `bzr branch mainline new-feature`, it seems to sit there for several seconds\n Yes, a few seconds isn't killing me... but this is for repos with fewer than 1000 revs\n hmm, maybe it's just a caching issue\n when I make multiple branches, it goes pretty quick\n dmuir: it could be a disk cache thing?\n do you get a progress bar?\n yeah, with a counter of some sort x/y with x increasing until it reaches y\n and what text?\n build phase: adding file contents\n Ah, that's possibly related to #607298\n bug 607298\n Launchpad bug 607298 in Bazaar \"Slow branch creation with cold disk cache (affected: 1, heat: 3)\" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/607298\n Which is fixed in the 2.3 branch, but wasn't in 2.2\n ah, cool\n something weird though. when I branched bzr.dev, it was immediate, even though I hadn't made a branch in that repo in over a month\n oh, never mind\n the branch I had for bzr was a no-trees branch\n when's 2.3 due?\n trying to remember what the release cylce was...\n oh, I think I found it\n http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/developers/cycle.html\n dmuir: roughly february\n cool, looking forward to it :-)\n poolie: spiv: testtools now has some list/load-test functionality, you may be able to delete some more code from bzr\n great\n poolie: Hey.\n eol rules are still only global right?\n I've got a situation where when I make changes to a file checked out from an svn repo, the whole file gets marked as modified, even though I've only changed one line. I'm assuming that an EOL conversion is to blame\n does bazaar apply any automatic conversions or is \"exact\" the default?\n spoke too soon. manual says exact is the default\n so maybe it's my ide that's done the conversion...\n It's not unheard of for editors to do line ending conversions. IDE's are probably another step more likely than plain-old-editors.\n ah, I think I've found the culprit\n I think it's from doing a conflict resolution with meld\n hi all\n hey vila!\n ha ! New kernel, reboots all over the place incoming\n spm: hey !\n I'm full of questions today.... what's the quickest way to revert files matching a pattern?\n `bzr revert */_notes` does work\n d'oh, I mean *doesn't* work\n dmuir: ls -d1 */_notes | xargs bzr revert ?\n dmuir: That's just off the top of my head.\n mkanat: I'm getting: ls: cannot access */_notes: No such file or directory\n dmuir: Then you have no such file or directory?\n ah, good point :-)\n :-)\n they're files that have been deleted\n Ahh. I dunnow, then.\n I guess I need to use bzr ls\n wohoo!\n bzr status | grep _notes | xargs bzr revert\n Ah, cool. :-)\n Good idea.\n thanks for pointing out xargs, didn't know about that one\n dmuir: Welcome. :-)\n Hi!\n I'm new to bazaar, and I read on the website that it has some limitations with XML and binary files\n How bad is this? because these are mainly the kind of files I'll be working with\n Tiriel: Where on the website does it say that?\n Tiriel: The only limitations that I can think of are that working with enormous binary files can be slow and use a lot of RAM.\n well, let me check\n I'm pretty sure I just read it, but I can't remember where\n Ah! here http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/TheBigPicture\n \" It is less effective with tree-structured data (e.g. XML), and is most limited in dealing with opaque binary files (e.g. Microsoft Word documents).\"\n Tiriel: well, the builtin merge is designed to work well with text files\n Tiriel: that's what that's referring to\n Tiriel: e.g. if you use \"bzr merge\" and the two branches have both changed the same MS Word document, bzr will only be able to say \"there are conflicting changes, here are the different versions of the file, it's up to you to resolve that\"\n Oh! is that it?, I don't think that will be much of a problem then\n see, the plan is to do some translation work, so I don't think there will be a lot of merging\n (and bzr allows plugins to extend its merge capabilities, so if you have tools that can help with automatic merging you can quite likely hook them into bzr with a plugin)\n that's also good to know\n I was fearing this issue would be a major stopper\n Tiriel: sorry to butt in (i only just joined)... are you wondering about bzr merge capabilities on xml docs?\n Well, it boiled down to it, I was asking about the broader limitations of bzr when dealing with XML and binaries\n all insight is appreciated\n sounds good :)\n just wanted to chip in that most xml merges I've done seem to be going well\n Tiriel: I suggest just trying it out: it's very quick and easy to make a branch of some files, commit a few revisions, etc.\n Well, I'm on the research stage atm, I haven't deployed anything just yet\n I'm trying to figure out which tool suits best, and bazaar looks very good, but I was concerned about this since XML will take most of the work\n tiriel: r u expecting to do merging on the binaries at all?\n not really\n in fact I'm not expecting to do much merging at all\n but you never know...\n tiriel: cool. with the xml things, does everyone use a tool when editing it btw? i.e., the format will b consistent across edits?\n yes, I plan to stablish a standard slang\n as I said this is all in the planning stage, nothing is sure just yet\n tiriel: that will serve well :). As I mentioned earlier, we've been running an 18month old project on bzr (migrated onto bzr about 8months ago) and so far have found xml merging quite nice... once we established everyone using tabs!\n nice, that leaves me at ease.\n On a totally different matter, is it possible to have some HTML code or something to pull the latest version of a file in bazaar and display it on a webpage\n I don't really need the details, I just want to know if it's possible\n bzr upload plugin?\n Tiriel: Depending on what you need, you could just use loggerhead.\n that is helpful to push via ftp or similar\n I really don't know what I need right now :(\n I was thinking that I may want a website where the contents are grabbed from whatever is in bazaar\n i.e. looking for the files in bazaar instead of /htdocs or whatever\n maybe it is as easy as serving bazaar through apache and have the website look in there?\n i'd b looking t bzr upload + cron job 4 that personally :)\n as in pushing the head of bazaar's repo to the website with cron?\n yup\n Why would pushing from bazaar be better than pulling from the website?\n not saying that pulling is better, just trying to understand your approach\n brb :)\n Tiriel: Pushing wouldn't require a lot of work from bzr on every web hit.\n Tiriel: If you're talking about grabbing a file from a repo on every hit, that is.\n Very good point, I hadn't thought of that\n Also, by pushing we can control wich versions get published on the site!\n and it is less coupled. WTF was I thinking!\n Ok, I'm going to get some fresh air and settle the ideas, thanks to all\n tiriel: pretty much my reasons match mkanat... less work to push it every once in a while than pull every web hit\n yup, pushing does look like a much better idea, I hadn't thought it through\n Heyyy folks. :-) I need a review for this loggerhead merge: https://code.launchpad.net/~mkanat/loggerhead/view-default/+merge/42222\n maxb: qbzr and bzr-explorer needs to be upgraded in bzr/proposed right ?\n ideally, yes\n mkanat: Hi. The NEWS file on loggerhead trunk is incorrect, the top entry is under th 1.18 heading, but it actually only happened on trunk\n maxb: Oh yeah? Lemme go look.\n maxb: Ohhhh, you're right.\n maxb: Fix Committed.\n thanks :-)\n NEWS also needs some serious updates for dev.\n ghaaa, is there a way to explore the ubuntu package branches ?\n code.launchpad.net/ubuntu?\n bzr info goes into a 'Exception RuntimeError: 'maximum recursion depth exceeded in __subclasscheck__' in ignored' dance when tried against a non-existing one :-/\n * vila kisses jml\n ...almost : https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/qbzr\n vila: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qbzr\n jml: haaaaa :)\n thanks :D\n https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qbzr/+branches is the one I was after, pfew\n makes sense\n Tricky questions around merges. I've been asked to compile some stats on the lines of code changed every day for a code base.\n The metric I've chosen at the moment is just using a diff -c on each commit and pushing that through diffstat\n this tree is semi complex with lots of feature branches etc.\n which diverge and then remerge\n so for standard commits I think this is fine. But what about a commit that is a merge. Am I going to end up double counting changes?\n johnf: a commit including a merge will produce a diff against its left parent, so it will summarize all the diffs in the right parent(s) *and* whatever modifications made to resolve the conflicts\n it really depends on how you want to interpret the resulting stats and whether you drill down into the merges...\n vila: yeah not the simplest task I've ever been given.\n johnf: if you don't use append_revions_only then it becomes even more.... interesting\n At the moment I'm tempted to ignore the merge revisions in my stats and assume that conflict changes were small\n one could argue that a merge commit is more work than a regular one though...\n vila: Yeah agree but I don't see any easy way to avoid the double counting\n may be you shouldn't avoid it\n that's why I said it depends on what you want to interpret, I'm not sure the raw numbers are meaningful, but how they evolve over time may be more meaningful\n maxb, jelmer: qbzr and bzr-explorer should be upgraded in debian first or can we update the bzr/proposed ppa directly ?\n both debian and the ppas are at qbzr-0.19.2-1 and we want 0.19.3 and for bzr-explorer that's 1.1.0 /1.1.2\n vila: hi\n jelmer: hey :)\n vila: it'd be nice to upgrade debian first, but it's not necessary\n* vila changed the topic of #bzr to: Bazaar version control | try https://answers.launchpad.net/bzr for more help | http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | Patch pilot: jam | 2.2.2 is out (rm vila)\n maxb: so, should we start the SRU with bug #659590 or do you still have pending changes regarding running the tests during build (or not) ?\n Launchpad bug 659590 in bzr (Ubuntu) \"dput sftp upload hangs after all files successfully uploaded (affected: 1, heat: 72)\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/659590\n vila: I have pending changes\n Hmm\n Except\n maxb: ok, so we shouldn't copy the package from proposed to stable either right ?\n maxb: no pressure, just trying to know where we are\n If we are now decided to *not* run the testsuite on the official buildd, the unresolved discussion between me and jelmer on how to run it does not matter.\n Thus, I should back out the \"run testsuite during build\" changes from the sru branch\n On the matter of the bzr/proposed package, I regard that as OK to promote\n maxb: that's how I read the reply from pitti regarding MRE/SRU: run the tests after installation\n The indecision remains only on the manner of how to run tests during build\n maxb: ok, so I just copy the bzr one and qbzr and bzr-explorer will be upgraded later\n works for me\n maxb: where is that defined ? (running the tests)\n maxb: I've branch'ed all the relevant ones (hopefully)\n On the SRU: We still have an issue that to technically comply with the SRU procedure we need 2.3b4 in natty first. (You aren't supposed to fix things in maverick until you've fixed them in natty)\n grrr, I will get this right on day, I willl !\n ok, so that's postponed until 2.3b4, I'll add a bug task there...meh how ?\n ha, right, the other url\n lp:~maxb/ubuntu/maverick/bzr/sru is now updated to remove the \"run tests during build\" changes, rendering it a straight merge of the new upstream version only\n maxb, jelmer: qbzr and bzr-explorer should be upgraded in debian first or can we update the bzr/proposed ppa directly ?\n Whoops, missed that\n maxb: so this sru branch should now be merged into the maverick package branch and from there in the others ?\n What do you mean by maverick package branch?\n lp:ubuntu/maverick/bzr/bzr-ppa\n vila: it'd be nice to upgrade debian first, but it's not necessary\n vila: There is no need, I have already merged 2.2.2 there.\n jelmer: but *how* should I do that ? (If I even can)\n jelmer|vila: Updating Debian first is convenient for those packages without a PPA packaging branch - I have a script (which I really need to publish somewhere) for one-line PPAizing and uploading of the debian.dsc\n * vila 's head spins\n maxb: so this sru branch will only be needed when we want to create the bzr package in maverick-proposed ?\n It does not help that we are currently having two interleaved conversations :-)\n :)\n OK, so my sru branch is where I have been preparing the source that I eventually want uploaded to maverick-proposed\n To further confound matters, it does NOT share ancestry with lp:ubuntu/maverick/bzr\n yeah, I'm mixing that with the ppas, hence my confusion\n ha, branching it right now\n This is because the Debian packaging branch is sane and manually maintained, and based on bzr.dev, but the \"official\" ubuntu packaging branches are a parallel import by the automated UDD importer\n So, my recommendation is to ignore the existence of the UDD imported branches for bzr, for now\n ...or use them to fix the parallel imports bugs\n * vila ducks\n morning all\n jam: hey !\n hm, stopped snowing again.\n vila: can you wait 10s and then say my name again, my audio pings don't seem to be working.\n jam: you got any insight on bug 680935?\n Launchpad bug 680935 in Bazaar \"repository on flash bzr pack error (affected: 1, heat: 6)\" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/680935\n well, that worked\n jam: say what ?\n :D\n mgz: my line numbers are slightly off, but that looks to be a line like:\n self._content = zlib.decompress(z_content)\n I don't see how we can use the zlib interface any differently than that.\n looking at the faq, it would hint that a buffer is too small or too large.\n yeah, also my thought, would be a python bug.\n mgz: hello !\n For example, 'z_content' could be empty\n or it may decompress to something larger than the default buffer size\n or just corruption of some interesting sort.\n maxb: so the parallel import is about .bzrignore and the debian dir but the others ?\n mgz: zlib.decompress('') does, indeed, give that error, though.\n not that I would specifically understand why we would get '' here\n hey vila!\n jam,mgz: lifeless remotely diagnosed a *memory* hardware issue with beuno a couple of.. weeks ago, I'm not sure the message was exactly the same though, may be they remember better than me\n vila: IIRC, that was different data corruption, but the data on disk seemed fine. There were 3 bit errors in memory from what poolie said, which would be an indication of how ECC mem would fail to find it.\n we generally get zlib errors from on-disk corruption, but normally not this one.\n (ecc can often fix 1, find 2, but would fail >=3)\n if I have a workingdir instance, how can I find out what shared repo it is from ?\n ... using bzrlib\n weigon: bzr info? tree.branch.repository?\n tree.branch.repository.base ?\n anyway, what would we need to progress on that bug? a copy of the repo?\n vila: Um, no the parallel import is about the entire upstream source being imported as historyless tarballs, not derived from bzr.dev\n jam: yep, thanks\n maxb: I don't get it. If I do 'bzr log --show-ids -v -l1 bzr' in both branches (sru and bzr-ppa), I have the same file-ids\n vila: Correct\n Now do it in lp:ubuntu/maverick/bzr and see the difference\n parallel import is about having different file-ids for the same paths AIUI\n Yes\n oh\n ouch\n maxb: ok, I won't look at that today then :-/\n vila: Sorry, what?\n AFAIK the next job is making 2.3b4 land in natty\n not anything to do with the branches\n maxb: right, I was referring to the parallel import bugs :)\n maxb: 2.3b4 is next Thursday\n ok, that's not too bad\n jam, do you still feel you need info on https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/bzr/is_executable/+merge/42197? Do you want me to make a more conservative change?\n does the last part of revid (like xirl6fr0zipbof4h) is a unique identifier?\n I want to add binaries to the branch with namestelling what exact revision they match\n That was quite impatient\n :)\n abentley: there are a couple of bits. I mostly was hoping to get discussion from others about what is \"stable api\". But also, I'm not sure whether None isn't more accurate a term for executable on symlinks and directories\n from what I can see, WT and RT both return None\n and PreviewTree returns what is in the basis tree\n MemoryTree is the only one that always returns IE.executable, which defaults to Falso\n False\n jam, no, it's only RT according to the per-tree tests I introduced.\n abentley: your branch also changed WT\n at least, WT_4\n jam, My branch also changed DirStateRevisionTree.\n ah\n jam, None is also inconsistent with our other APIs.\n right, WT.is_executable returns bool( and S_IEXEC)\n abentley: the fact that most directories have the X bit set, but are \"False\" for executable seemed odd to me\n jam, RT._comparison_data says False, not None for RT.\n jam, On directories, that bit means they can be searched. It doesn't mean that they're executable.\n jam, IMO, directories and symlinks are never, themselves, executable, because they're not files, and you can't execute things that aren't files.\n abentley, jam: I'm very tempted to say that if dirs and symlinks are never executable, then executable should not even been *defined* for them, we don't define symlink target for files or directories either. But since that would be far more invasive to get there, I think None is more precise than False to convey \"never\"\n s/been/be/ ?\n vila: that was sort of my feeling as well. that said, False does seem a bit more consistent with the current implementations.\n the fact that IE.executable is defaulted do False, etc\n vila: I don't see value in having a tri-value where a boolean will do. There is only one answer to the question \"can this be executed\"? And there's no value I can see to a programmer, expecially since None is not clearly distinct from False.\n there is a value is using None to mean: this make no sense\n using False implies True is valid\n vila: What is the value? How will this aid my bzrlib programming? And does the value offset the cost of having to deal with a third potential return value, and the inability to treat the value as a boolean?\n I don't see the value in having a boolean where none is needed either, at least 'None' carries this\n It helps to see None more than to see False as you could then realize that is_executable shouldn't be defined for a dir or a symlink whereas a newcomer may wonder: 'Wait, it's False, when will it be True ?'\n And *that* AIUI is why executability changes were wrongly triggered\n vila: I am saying boolean values are easier for calling code to deal with. They can be used in conditionals directly. They can be serialized using standard machinery.\n When were executability changes wrongly triggered? do you mean in the incremental diffs?\n wow, wow, what are you talking about here ? All the code exist to handle this *today* no ?\n isn't it what the bug you're fixing about ?\n vila: No, I think a lot of the code that exists today treats it as a boolean, and mostly gets away with it.\n vila: The PreviewTree code treated it as a boolean, and that's the cause of the incremental diff problems.\n so all is left to decide is whether None is better than False because we won't un-implement is_executable for dirs and symlinks\n then why not teach this code that is_executable can be None ?\n vila: Because a) it's the wrong value b) implementing that decision everywhere would be a lot of code and API changes.\n I can understand that it's *easier* to fix it the way you did, but saying that False == None is a bit... different\n vila: who's saying False == None?\n you\n executable is never defined for dirs/symlinks, you implement it as False\n vila: Most assuredly not. If I tell you that a directory is executable, is that a true statement or a false statement?\n MU :D\n vila: No, it's not MU. Even if you argue that the state of a directory's executability is undefined, my statement is false.\n well, if you agree that your statement is false, then all is well :)\n vila: Indeed, because that means that directories are not executable, and the answer to the question \"is this directory executable\" is \"false\".\n vila: It's not a question of \"has the executability of this directory been toggled to the False state\", it's a question of \"can this directory be executed\".\n vila: In any case, I hold that a two-value system is less complicated than a three-value system, and therefore in the absence of clear evidence that a three-value system provides a superior API, I believe we should opt for a two-value system.\n ha ! That's more convincing, between a zero values (no implementation for dirs/symlinks), 2 or 3 values, then yes, the 2 values being less expensive than the 0 one, let's do that !\n vila: yay!\n In bazaar, is there a nice way to destroy the history of a file without making your branch messed up and incompatible?\n sqwishy: first, build a time machine\n dash: Do you know which channel I could go to to get help with that?\n sqwishy: there was a time traveler convention at MIT, 7 May 2005\n sqwishy: you might try there/then\n sqwishy: anyway no, you can't change history\n (unless you do it the hard way)\n well, technically bazaar supports having a file without history\n in other words, the history would still exist.. the repository just would just forget about it\n (note that this is different from changing history, which is not possible)\n hi all\n hi jam?\n hi poolie\n hi there\n vila is just talking to me, then we could talk if you like\n vila: go to bed :)\n jam: hehe, soon soon\n vila, so shall we do 2.3b4 this week?\n given that we need to do that to comply with the SRU policy that will allow us to release 2.2.2 into maverick-proposed, yes :D\n also, 'rmadison bzr' says that natty only got 2.3b2 so there is something to be done there too\n work out where it's stalling\n jam: by the way, did you see bug #683307, I wonder if there is an lp bug there (I haven't checked but it's weird to have another mx recursion depth )\n Launchpad bug 683307 in Bazaar \"Bazaar crashes on push (affected: 1, heat: 6)\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683307\n vila: that is stacking-on-self-causes infinite recursion\n i thought so\n I've seen 3 of those in the last couple of days, not sure why\n jam: that's my point, especially since for the previous two ones you found an almost empty branch.conf on lp\n jam: if the third has the same file...\n vila: there isn't really a reason to have anything else there.\n I don't know if people are renaming\n or creating the dev focus first\n or we have a regression with the \"don't stack on self if self is the default target\"\n that's possible\n we should trap this and give a sensible warning\n poolie: regarding bug #583667, I think we're not on the same page, I mentioned BZR_LP_XMLRPC_URL only for xmlrpc usages,\n Launchpad bug 583667 in Bazaar 2.3 \"bzr talks to edge API servers to propose merges (but not for lp: url lookups) (affected: 1, heat: 10)\" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/583667\n I should clarify that it doesn't apply to launchpadlib for which there is no env var\n poolie: would this address your concerns ?\n if setting that variable will fix older clients (including older lplib) then that's fine\n hm, scratch that\n i think putting this in the bzr news is the wrong place\n perhaps we should put a post on blog.l.n, or append to that post\n vila: interesting, tart-sleepymate is correct, but the branch it is stacked on is broken\n http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sleepynate/tart/tart-sleepynate/.bzr/branch/branch.conf\n http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~andreesie/tart/vanilla/.bzr/branch/branch.conf\n saying, for bzr, you need to either upgrade to 2.0.8, 2.1.x, etc\n vila: I wonder if the +branch/ change to bzr+ssh is confusing us\n or, set BZR_LP_XMLRPC_URL\n so that we see the stacking location as +branch/tart at one point, but end up setting it to ~/andreesie/tart/vanilla at another point\n and we need to check whether setting that will fix all interactions with lp, or only lp: urls\n thumper: ^^ some questions about your changes to the lp: resolution stuff\n lifeless: ^^\n hmm?\n lifeless: I think poolie is pointing you to the BZR_LP_XMLRPC_URL stuff\n whats that for?\n users have no use case for controlling the end point; only launchpad developers testing new XMLRPC releases need to do that.\n lifeless: vila's proposal had a description of how to reconfigure old bzr releases assuming you won't or can't upgrade\n even to a bugfix release from the same series\n which is a bit of an edge case\n we're not going to remove edge until it has no users\n the goal is to drive the userbase to zero as quickly as possible.\n right\n poolie: right, either they upgrade and they don't care or they don't and they can't read the NEWS\n s/no/very very few/\n vila, that's my point\n poolie: re-phrasing to make sure I got it ;)\n if there are folks who won't upgrade, we'll keep supporting them until their hardware dies or whatever\n who's 'we' here ?\n edge.lp.net\n yes\n we=Robert :)\n if edge disappears they'll come to us (bzr), we say them: upgrade, they say: we can't, we say: try BZR_LP_XMLRPC_URL, they say: doesn't work, we: upgrade, you're dooned\n doomed\n So there is still a slight chance that they try to read the NEWS for the bzr they can't upgrade to and find the the warning there\n which was my original intent when putting it there\n but that's not satisfying\n How can I see the previous versions of a file from the CLI?\n AdamDV: `bzr cat -r -1 FILE`, etc\n bzr cat -r-1\n alright\n poolie: shouldn't we just wait for lplib and lp.net to come up with a solution ? That's where people will fail after all\n vila, let's just not document what people using older clients should do in the news file\n wfm\n if lp isn't going to pull the plug it's not urgent\n jam, so how are things with you?\n poolie: moving along pretty well here.\n jam: good morning\n one very odd thing I just discovered. peak memory during \"bzr pack\" if you already have an optimal pack is much higher than peak memory when you don't. I wonder if we are reading in the entire old pack file to compute the md5sum...\n hi spiv\n spiv: I wanted to ask you about https://code.launchpad.net/~spiv/bzr/fetch-spec-everything-not-in-other/+merge/42078\n jam: Today I'm planning to work on the hpss request you suggested in your shallow branching mail.\n it says you changed the description, but it doesn't show a delta\n I was wondering what the different was\n I typoed the bug number\n bbiab, my son is asking for me\n So, nothing significant :)\n hi there spiv\n Hi. Is anyone else running Natty right now? I'd like an independent test of something.\n Namely, I want to know if there's a problem with plugin \"bzr-builddeb\".\n $ bzr branch lp:debian/python-couchdb 0.8-0u1; cd 0.8-0u1; bzr import-upstream 0.8 http://pypi.python.org/packages/source/C/CouchDB/CouchDB-0.8.tar.gz\n At crash location, there's a comment mentioning spiv's tags-copied-but-no-revisions bug, but I think it's not related.\n CardinalFang: Not running natty. Will maverick + tip of bzr-builddeb do?\n CardinalFang: pastebin the crash maybe?\n maxb, I don't know. If you get AttributeError ^, you'd know.\n spiv, I shouldn't have woken you. I've decided your bug isn't related at all.\n CardinalFang: also, see if \"bzr tags\" in that branch reports ? rather than revnos\n (in the local branch)\n bzr: ERROR: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: u'http://pypi.python.org/packages/source/C/CouchDB/CouchDB-0.8.tar.gz'\n for me\n CardinalFang: well, even if it isn't that bug, seeing the traceback will help us figure out what the bug is :)\n CardinalFang: No AttributeError here when I download the file locally. However, this sounds vaguely like a bug recently fixed in trunk\n stack trace: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/538464/\n spiv, all tags have revnos.\n Ok, that rules out the tag bug.\n bzr = 2.3.0~beta2-1; brz-builddeb = 2.6ubuntu1\n CardinalFang: I'm guessing it's because bzr-builddeb is looking for an upstream branch, but doesn't know of one...\n It's worth filing a bug on bzr-builddeb, I think.\n No, it's fixed in trunk r485\n maxb: ah!\n maxb: heh, my local copy of trunk was at 484 :)\n * CardinalFang looks for bzr nightlies.\n bzr branch lp:bzr-builddeb :-)\n There's also https://launchpad.net/~bzr-nightly-ppa/+archive\n Oh, actually, that's not the PPA I was thinking of..\n https://launchpad.net/~jelmer/+archive/bzr-dailies is the one I was thinking of.\n Rock.\n no, that's obsolete too\n You want https://launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive/daily\n (spiv, CardinalFang)\n maxb: heh\n maxb, spiv, thank you very much. I owe you a beer.\n maxb: Hmm, I guess the link to bzr-nightly-ppa on https://launchpad.net/bzr should be replaced with that, then?\n mornin all :)\n hi there\n poolie: I discussed the branch with jam, but things got derailed into a discussion over what the philosophically-correct return value is when calling is_executable on a directory.\n oh, ok\n False vs None vs error?\n poolie: False vs None.\n poolie: I think False is correct, but I think consistency is the most important consideration.\n poolie: And False is also consistent with other Tree types and other RevisionTree APIs. Changing it all to None would be a big change.\n spiv: Based on the utter deadness of where it currently points, I've just gone ahead and updated it right now\n thanks maxb\n maxb: thanks :)\n abentley: so is it stuck? would you like another review?\n poolie: So landing in 2.2 is stuck. Another review would be helpful.\n poolie: https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/bzr/is_executable/+merge/42197\n that one, or the one that supersedes it?\n poolie: That one. The one that supsersedes it is for trunk.\n thanks for the incremental diffs btw\n poolie: You're welcome.\n hi James, Poolie, Spiv, Aaron, Max\n spiv: My daily builds are mostly living under ~bzr now\n nevermind, I see Max already mentioned that\n :)\n hi jelmer\n jelmer: Hi.\n abentley: what was the old behaviour?\n oh, None?\n poolie: yes.\n fairly obviously\n Hey hey. Anybody available to do a review on a loggerhead merge proposal?\n https://code.launchpad.net/~mkanat/loggerhead/view-default/+merge/42222\n thumper: Would you be the person to talk to about that, now? :-)\n jelmer: Hi, a question. Why are the bzr daily recipes using version numbers like 1.4.0~bzr{revno}~ppa{revno:packaging}+{revno:debian} ? The ordering of {revno:packaging} and {revno:debian} is inverted to what feels natural to me?\n hi mkanat\n Hey poolie! :-)\n maxb: i agree\n abentley: i replied; on the whole it seems like a good change but some testing wbn\n perhaps we should do that within hudson\n or just manually\n poolie: What kind of testing do you have in mind?\n mkanat: hmm\n mkanat: I'm not entirely sure\n mkanat: poke poolie :)\n thumper: Hahaha, okay. :-)\n poolie: So, any thoughts on who can do my loggerhead review there?\n poolie: Or do you just want me to check it in w/o review? (Not sure how comfortable I am about that, although I have tested it.)\n i probably could\n poolie: In the cover letter I said \"This branch fixes RevisionTree.is_executable to treat directories and symlinks the same way as other Tree implementations-- to return False rather than None.\" Was that not a clear enough statement?\n sorry, you did\n perhaps it is worth mentioning in news though\n is this going to systematically change what's returned by iter_changes in non-test cases?\n mkanat: shall we discuss it in #launchpad-dev?\n poolie: Sure, I'm there now.\n poolie: I believe only PreviewTree, because only PreviewTree can use RevisionTree.is_executable in its it only changes iter_changes when it involves PreviewTree, because only PreviewTree uses is_executable to implement Tree._comparison_data.\n poolie: I believe only PreviewTree, because only PreviewTree can use RevisionTree.is_executable in its _comparison_data implementation.\n So only iter_changes on PreviewTrees should be affected.\n so i'd comfortably +1 it now if you could run the tests of the relevant plugins\n that might be a bit annoying if the test suites are not obviously clean to start with though\n#bzr 2010-12-01\n poolie: by \"relevant plugins\" do you mean ones that do iter_changes on PreviewTrees, or ones that might do RevisionTree.is_executable, or...?\n im' not sure if it will be easy to identify which ones could be affected\n we could guess based on the apis\n or just test the ones that are packaged\n poolie: I don't think it will be easy.\n poolie: Okay, I'll go find out what's packaged and make sure I've got it all installed, and then run the plugin tests.\n do you think this is too laborious and we should just land it?\n i think it would be worth at least just running them\n if it turns out they're too noisy, then we could decide what to do\n poolie: I think I can run them and delta the test failures against vanila 2.2.\n that sounds good to me if that works for you\n so to keep this under control as a contract\n i think i should mark out what we want in each particular future release\n would that work for youL\n mkanat: actually just generally, feel free to request review from me, jam, spiv, or all of ~bzr\n poolie: Okay.\n mwhudson: If I make the change about the None, do you want me to re-request review or just go ahead and merge it after doing it?\n mkanat: if you're confident in your change, just merge it\n mwhudson: Okay.\n mwhudson: I'm also wondering if there might be an off-by-one error in the contents array, so that it has an extra line that it shouldn't have.\n seems a bit unlikely somehow\n mwhudson: Well, I think that annotate_iter may not consider a final \"\\n\" to be adding an extra line.\n oh right maybe\n So I suppose I could just have the generator create an infinite number of empty containers at the end.\n Since we iterate over the contents array now instead.\n that works i guess\n I think it'd be the simplest solution, code-wise.\n Well, launchpad outage stops me from doing any more development or merging. :-(\n is there an issue with launchpad right now?\n jdobrien: one of the data centres is offline\n mwhudson, aha! that would answer it\n mwhudson, I hope it was planned :o\n mkanat: why would the lack of availability of a centralized web resource have anything to do with you being able to get work done with a distributed revision control system like Bazaar?\n poolie: I've run all plugin tests, and none fail with is_executable that pass with 2.2. Actually, an extra fails with 2.2, so I assume it's a flaky test.\n AfC: Because my code exists only on LP right now, I reverted my patch locally.\n abentley: nice\n poolie: shall I go ahead and land it on 2.2, then?\n please do\n poolie: btw, I looked up who committed this code that's causing me grief. It was me.\n haha :)\n thanks for persisting with fixing it\n poolie: no worries.\n mkanat: reading your patch now\n poolie: Okay.\n done!\n good to go\n poolie: Thanks! Good timing by me. :-)\n poolie: BTW, I'm on the launchpad-devel mailing list still, so I do get the messages even if they're not CC'ed to me. (I usually just watch for subjects about loggerhead or codebrowse.)\n poolie: There is a test framework in place, BTW.\n k\n ... but it's hard to use for this?\n poolie: No, not that hard, I could do it. But I think it mostly already covers this, since annotate is already tested...I believe.\n Yeah, annotate is already tested.\n it seems like if you're changing the default view\n and the tests don't fail\n there must be a gap in coverage?\n poolie: I haven't run the tests, because they're failing anyway. :-)\n really, just generally? :/\n poolie: Well, they were last time I ran them.\n to the extent that it's not worth adding a new one?\n poolie: Ah, no, it could be worth adding a new one. Let me get the tests running on my new system (I just upgraded my OS and am missing some packages) and I'll see how much work it would be.\n well, it could be worth a try\n I'm not quite figuring out why the tests won't run on my machine. Maybe it's some python 2.7 thing.\n what os do you use?\n mkanat: hmm, IIRC bzr's tests are fine on 2.7 now.\n poolie: Fedora\n spiv: Yeah, but these are loggerhead's tests.\n I seem to recall just being able to \"nosetests\" on python 2.6 and things would be fine.\n jam, mwhudson: Do you know what it takes to get the loggerhead tests to run right?\n mkanat: at one point I tried to integrate it with \"bzr selftest -s bp.loggerhead\"\n jam: Ohh, right. Since then, I think the tests have been broken with nosetests.\n jam: So I have to have it symlinked in as a plugin to do that, right?\n something like that, yes\n AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute '_WritelnDecorator'\n Are bzr's tests only working with python 2.7 on trunk?\n I have 2.2.1 installed.\n mkanat: probably yes\n Okay.\n there's no py26 in fedora 14(?)\n poolie: Right.\n I run bzr trunk's tests with 2.6 all the time.\n Perhaps you need a newer testtools or something like that?\n spiv: No, I just easy_install'ed it.\n This is the traceback: http://pastie.org/1337546\n It's pretty apparent that it's just related to the unittest changes in 2.7.\n mm\n you might be able to cherrypick-back the changes from 2.3 to fix it?\n or perhaps testing it against bzr 2.3 is still useful\n Ah, well, I don't imagine LP runs 2.3.\n I'll have to figure out how to make these tests work with nosetests again.\n Wow, how is this SO FAST? Probably because of crazy custom Hg implementation. http://code.google.com/p/python-nose/source/list\n that's what we should aim for\n Yeah.\n might need more than little slices of time though :/\n I think we'd have to actually cache the rendered HTML to get that fast.\n But maybe not.\n perhaps an intermediate representation is cached\n they're probably not touching a magnetic disk to have it consistently that fast\n that sort of speed is what cassandra is aimed at\n - its a bigtable backend for hg\n poolie: Well, if it's anything like their Svn implementation, it's a mapreduce thing with, yeah, bigtable.\n First off we'd have to figure out what and how to cache things.\n Although if you had a cassandra backend for bzr, we may not even have to cache them, I don't know for sure.\n you'd denormalise things like revnos\n in a sense such a thing is a cache\n Right, we already have a revno cache in loggerhead.\n if we can finish the 'does not need vfs for regular use' work, we could seriously consider a cassandra impl\n failing that we could push (thus limiting the operations that take place) into a ro cassandra mirror\n using hpss to talk to a process that talks to cassandra?\n oh nm, yes\n yes, exactly.\n jam: Do you know why your changes would have caused this (when trying to run the loggerhead tests via nosetests)? http://pastie.org/1337584\n mkanat: not specifically, but I know that loggerhead doesn't know whether it is a plugin or a main script, and does some ugly hacks with the python import path to try and work both ways\n jam: Ah, yeah.\n poolie: It's probably going to take me quite some time to get the test suite working again, just as far as figuring out what's wrong and making things work right again. Do you still want me to add a test for the new controller?\n mkanat: I'm not poolie, but I think investing in the test suite will pay off\n spiv: I fully and completely agree with you; this is more of a \"how does Canonical want me to spend my hours\" sort of a deal. :-)\n mkanat: let's not block this merge on that, but i do think it would be worth spending some canonical time on it\n poolie: Okay.\n Sounds good.\n it seems like it will help do other work in future\n poolie: Okay, agreed.\n it would be good to switch it to using testtools.run rather than nosetests\n which will give it easy hudson integration via subunit.run\n lifeless: It can already run under bzr selftest, I just can't run bzr selftest using my version of bzr and my version of Python.\n mkanat: why not? actually scratch that question. Different one: perhaps fixing that is more important.\n lifeless: Supposedly that's been fixed on trunk, just not in 2.2.x.\n lifeless: (This is with python 2.7.)\n So, TAL is not a very good template language. :-(\n the chameleon implementation is nicer\n gives you $foo for when you're feeling lazy\n Yeah, it's not so much the convenience of not of the language, as much as it is that it's just very difficult to work out how to do certain things.\n Particularly if you can't wrap an element in another element, or don't want to.\n I really liked Mako last time I used it, that's probably what I'd prefer, although I have no idea if there are any serious problems with it in production (or if it's still actively maintained).\n hello all !\n full red babune\n I upgraded to testtools trunk yesterday, direct link, url: http://babune.ladeuil.net:24842/job/selftest-maverick/lastFailedBuild/\n Nice tests as only reading their names strongly suggests a shallow problem\n I could do template inheritance with my patch that I'm working on right now, too, if I was using Mako instead. :-/\n lifeless, jml: bug #683505 rings a bell regarding a recent change in testtools ?\n Launchpad bug 683505 in Bazaar \"bzrlib.tests.test_selftest.TestSubunitLogDetails failures with testtools trunk (affected: 1, heat: 6)\" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683505\n mgz: may also be related to a too aggressive cleanup of the test details ? ^\n jml, lifeless: ping\n testtools introduced a change in revno 142 (regarding the return value of running a test suite with failing or erroring test),\n I'd like to guard against that by testing the testtools version\n I can use 0.9.8 for that except if you expect to change the behavior again before releasing 0.9.8\n jml, lifeless: when do you expect to release 0.9.8 ?\n vila: its going to be backed out, see the bug\n lifeless: rats, too bad I missed that one, this sounded like a nice change though\n only part of the patch is buggy\n only that bit will be backed out\n it breaks subunit too\n Ok, I'll subscribe to the bug to see how it goes then\n meh, lp already subscribed me :)\n I'll revert my babune testtools in the mean time\n dOxxx: Hey !\n vila: hey :)\n vila: everything go okay with the release?\n dOxxx: Thanks for the reviews and merges ! I haven't looked at the s/update/pull/ bit you mentioned, do you plan to: 1) fix it, 2) revert to use checkouts 3) something else ?\n vila: fixed it when I merged your changes.\n dOxxx: AFAIK, yes, there are a couple of people having troubles with svn on OSX for reasons unclear to me, I was wondering if you knew more about that (they used 2.2.1 if that's relevant)\n dOxxx: Cool!\n vila: Which version of OSX?\n were there bugs filed?\n wow, that was ambigous, re-try: yes, the 2.2.2 release seems okay. Then some people with 2.2.1/10.5 have reported svn related problems\n ok\n dOxxx: I think there were bugs, but linked to/from answers\n dOxxx: at least one of them has installed macports and had related problems but didn't confirm that uninstalling macports addressed them\n dOxxx: the other(s?) didn't mention macports\n if you could point me to the bug reports, I'll take a look\n ok, let me find them\n but... just wondering, was it for 2.3bn that svn/subertpy tip was needed ?\n checking\n No, I think it was for all branches\n But it's a compilation problem not a runtime thing\n I needed r2219+ to actually get subvertpy to compile on 10.5\n dOxxx: oh?\n bug #681285\n Launchpad bug 681285 in Bazaar \"Can't push my changes in Bazaar\" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/681285\n jelmer: ^ you may know better from the error message in the last comment\n jelmer: yep, as I recall you made the changes for me\n well, the *2* error messages even\n dOxxx: can you fetch without problems from that location?\n sorry still reading bug\n dOxxx: ahh, ok. That was a while ago though.\n jelmer: yeah, so I don't think that's the problem here.\n dOxxx: right, the other is harder to find back: bug #682904 and https://answers.launchpad.net/bzr/+question/135989, read the question before the bug may be\n Launchpad bug 682904 in Bazaar \"Can't push my changes in Bazaar--need to update libsvn?\" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/682904\n vila: could you check what version of svn you have on your 10.5 build machine?\n how ?\n I *have* svn ??\n of course, how do you think the installers build? :)\n OS X comes with svn stock\n no idea, I've just pushing buttons ;)\n s/I've/I'm/\n hah\n dOxxx: Ahh, you're Gordon!\n jelmer: yers ;)\n jelmer: meet dOxxx aka Gordon\n sorry, shoulda introduced myself :)\n dOxxx: meet Jelmer :)\n svn --version reports: 1.4.4 (r25188)\n dOxxx: np, I know who you are.. but I hadn't connected you with your nick name :-)\n hmm....\n dOxxx: is this as bad as I think ? :-/\n jelmer: would compiling subvertpy against libsvn 1.4 cause a problem like described in these questions?\n dOxxx: yeah\n i.e. is bzr-svn compatible with svn 1.4.4 ?\n it is compatible but certain functionality won't be available\n and performance will be impacted\n I don't want to include new svn libraries with the OSX bzr installer\n dOxxx: why not?\n jelmer: 1) I'm not sure how to do it correctly, 2) that's touching system files, which is kinda icky\n jelmer: I don't think the OSX installer can use private binaries/libraries easily so they are installed sys... what he said :)\n vila: urgh :-(\n I guess it makes to use whatever the system is providing\n it is !\n the OSX installer puts all the bzr stuff into the system python's site-packages and stuff like the Qt framework in the system location too\n but the fix here may be to just tell people to upgrade their svn if needed\n so it's already potentially overwriting Qt libraries\n but that's different than pushing a newer one\n but those aren't installed stock with OSX so I didn't feel so bad about that\n but even if they upgrade their system svn, it seems that since subvertpy is compiled against 1.4, it will still cause problems?\n yes\n oh my\n right, so we'd need to compile subvertpy against svn 1.5 at least and tell users that they must install svn 1.5 first\n no, wait, I don't get it\n vila: subvertpy build against svn 1.4 on our build machine will make it behave like a svn 1.4 client even if there are newer svn libraries installed on the user's machine\n are you both implying that 2.2.0 was ok, but 2.2.1 is not anymore because of subvertpy ?\n vila: I don't think this is related to the bzr version\n I was referring to the installer version\n so the set of whatever we package there, including bzr, plugins and their dependencies\n urgh\n if we can't provide an all-in-one installer including bzr-svn, it means (IMHO) that we should have specific packages for svn-1.4, 1.5 and/or whatever other versions are available and install only the relevant ones ?\n s/ones/one/\n but back to my question: bzr-svn was working with the 2.2.0 installer right ?\n like I said, I don't think this is a problem that was introduced in a particular version of the installer, it may have always existed\n dOxxx: or did you use a 10.5 host with an upgrade svn to 1.5 ?\n ha, ok :-/ So these are the first reports that bzr-svn doesn't work on OSX ?\n vila: honestly, I can't remember what version of svn it had installed. I know that it was a fresh install of OS X 10.5, so I'm assuming that it was svn 1.4 like yours\n jelmer: did you get feedback from osx 10.5 users ?\n vila: as far as I know, I don't seem to get emails for bug reports on bzr-svn\n dOxxx: honest ignorance is better than silence :D\n vila: please note that these bug reports are not an indication that bzr-svn doesn\n 't work at all, it's just certain kinds of pushes\n oh\n right :)\n I was shaking the tree to see which fruits will fall :)\n Wasn't meant to be negative\n meh, especially when the report starts with: \"For a while, Bazaar was working fine, but now when I push, I get\"\n dOxxx, jelmer : how does one check which svn and which subvertpy is used by bzr (or is subvertpy the only relevant part) ?\n vila: newer versions of bzr-svn will mutter that information to .bzr.log\n Said otherwise: how can one install an upgraded svn/subvertpy to make bzr happy ?\n hmm, or may be s/how can one/is it possible to/\n If you just install svn 1.5.x and reinstall subvertpy, things should be happy\n jelmer: the bzr 2.2.2 OSX installer uses r2219 of subvertpy, has there been an official release since then?\n looks like 0.7.4 and 0.7.5?\n dOxxx: yep\n ok, I should update the installer configs to use 0.7.5 then I think\n vila: do you think we should rebuild the OSX installers for 2.2.2 to use a newer subvertpy?\n the version its currently using is from July and about 2 releases out of date\n hmm\n I don't know if it will solve George's problem but it seems like a generally good idea\n since it looks like there have been some svn 1.4 compatiblity fixes\n 2.2 is stable, if we broke it we should fix it, but upgrading too many things may break it even more\n dOxxx: yeah, it wouldn't solve George's problem\n jelmer: would subvertpy 0.7.5 still be compatible with bzr-svn 1.0.3 or should we use a newer version of that?\n dOxxx: there's no need for a newer bzr-svn\n ok thanks\n so, testing 2.2.1, 2.2.2, 2.3b3 locally with 'bzr info http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/subversion/trunk' succeeds\n does it mean I need another svn server to test against ?\n to reproduce George's problem ?\n vila: have you tried the URL George is using?\n not yet, I though it required some auth, let me try\n jelmer: Did you deliberately turn the bzr-pqm-daily recipe on again for karmic?\n * maxb turns it off again\n dOxxx: indeed, it asks for a suer/password and when I enter none, fails with a 500 server error\n darn\n what I don't understand is why, if George upgraded his svn to 1.6.9 and subvertpy to 0.7.4, why is still not working? It gives a different error though.\n dOxxx: did he recompile his subvertpy against svn 1.6 ?\n he doesn't say.\n maxb: I didn't realize it was intentionally disabled. I enabled the natty builds yesterday evening.\n The recipe description field could do with being more prominant, and supporting line-breaks\n vila, jelmer: I've updated https://answers.launchpad.net/bzr/+question/135989, asking George for specifics on how he upgraded svn and subvertpy\n I need to go do my actual day job now unfortunately. :P\n jelmer: he says (in bug #682904) : \"Note that I am running svn 1.6.9 and subvertpy 0.7.4.\"\n jelmer: Oh, whilst I think about the recipes, I had a question: Why are the bzr daily recipes using version numbers like 1.4.0~bzr{revno}~ppa{revno:packaging}+{revno:debian} ? The ordering of {revno:packaging} and {revno:debian} is inverted to what feels natural to me?\n Launchpad bug 682904 in Bazaar \"Can't push my changes in Bazaar--need to update libsvn?\" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/682904\n dOxxx: no worries, thanks for the help !\n jelmer: he didn't say *where* he installed them though\n vila: but that doesn't say against which version of the libsvn API his subvertpy was compiled against though\n yeah that's what I'm wondering\n considering he was using MacPorts before\n dOxxx: not sure that's the same guy\n they seem to be the same George\n ha, good, well done to file different bugs then :-/\n yeah and two Questions with the same content :)\n ha, now we need duplicates for questions too...\n vila, dOxx: If he has svn 1.6.9 installed but compiled his subvertpy against svn 1.4 then it still won't work.\n ha no, poolie turned the bug into a question, oh my\n maxb: Something can be said for either\n dammit, I'm not getting notified of bugs filed on bzr-mac-installers\n jelmer: /me nods\n jelmer: ok :-) I'd like to understand what can be said for this way?\n ok... set myself as the bug supervisor maybe that will do it\n vila: I don't understand the testtools from the log or Robert's bug entry\n +issue\n mgz: just a sec, let me push my wip branch, that should be clearer there\n the three failing tests look wrong to me, but why were two of them passing before?\n three/two ?\n Three were passing three are now failing\n we don't seem to use a custom wasSuccessful method, and the default one should return False if there's a failure\n unexpected success flipped, but the other two should be the same\n mgz: in a nutshell, the bug I filed is a duplicate, more fixes should be done in testtools\n I'm guessing from the bug entry Robert knows what's going on, I just can't divine what the fix should be from what he's written\n hmm, he said the change doesn't take into account decorated was_successful or something, including subunit\n ah, maybe it's a subunit only thing.\n i'm not sure this is bzr or launchpad question.\n mgz: now, I don't understand the specifics, I've only been looking at making the tests more precise about whether running a test suite should succeed or not depending on which tests were provided\n argh\n but this used to work: bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-on-ec2/vmbuilder/automated-ec2-builds\n but now gives bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: \"bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-virt/vmbuilder/0.12/\".\n vila: looks like we need to do a new 2.2.2 installer build anyway to update bzr-svn to 1.0.4\n bug 621446\n Launchpad bug 621446 in Bazaar Mac Installers \"AttributeError: paths when trying to svn-import\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/621446\n smoser: that's a #launchpad question really. You have a branch stacked on another branch that no longer exists.\n https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-virt shows no 0.12 branch there anymore. I'm guessing someone deleted that, and my branch shared data\n jelmer, yeah.\n jelmer, thanks.\n smoser: Soren had the same issue the other day.\n dOxxx: unless this is already fixed in 2.3b3 (or b4 which will be released tomorrow)\n vila: no it's an installer issue. the installer is configured to use bzr-svn 1.0.3.\n jelmer, funny, soren is probably who deleted my branch :)\n maxb: if somebody fixes something in the packaging branch then that change should sort before any fixes in the debian branch.\n nothing to do with bzr version per se\n smoser: I didn't delete your branch. I moved mine to ~ubuntu-virt.\n just that 2.2 is current stable branch so I should make sure it works ;)\n dOxxx: if 1.0.4 is not specifically targeted at bzr-2.2, we shouldn't include it in 2.2.[23]\n well, one its gone from where it was, so move or delete, ... potAto potato\n maxb: ~bzr has write access to the packaging branch but not the debian branch so the packaging branch can always merge in the debian branch if necessary, never the other way around.\n dOxxx: otherwise we end up packaging the same thing in 2.3 and 2.2 and this will break the stability guarantee\n soren, do you happen to know, then what i need to do to make that function again ?\n dOxxx: that's the rule, does it apply in this case ?\n vila: not sure I understand your previous comment\n mgz: lp:~vila/bzr/683505-test-no-log, wip, doesn't work yet\n jelmer: but, every build will always take the latest revno of the debian branch anyway, so I'm not seeing where this ordering issue would arise\n dOxxx: let me look at the bug\n maxb: Imagine somebody made a commit in the debian branch\n maxb: or, in fact, did a merge in the debian branch (changing the revno's)\n but... that would be a silly thing to do! :-)\n thanks vila.\n dOxxx: dang ! Same here, I never got gplyph answer !\n so, I think the conditions are backwards in those three tests, but it's subunit being funny.\n so again, probably wants something changing in all three projects.\n smoser: I'd talk to mvo. I think he sorted it out.\n okay really going to work now\n seeya\n mgz: since babune was very update, I've reverted to testtools-0.9.7 waiting for a consensus to emerge :)\n mgz: what is backwards ?\n mgz: that subunit says all is well even when running a single failing test ?\n dOxxx: argh, no one more second !\n ?\n dOxxx: my comment was: if bzr-svn doesn't say: this release is compatible with bzr-2.2 and 2.2 users are expected to upgrade, we should include it in 2.2.2, otherwise we should not\n dOxxx: i.e.: the plugin authors should be explicit, like qbzr maintaining a specific series target at 2.2 and another targeted at 2.3\n that would be nice\n jelmer can confirm that bzr-svn is targeted at 2.2 and 2.3, so in this case, yes, we should rebuild the 2.2.2 installers\n bzr-svn 1.0.4\n meh, bzr-svn-1.0.4 yeah, thanks :D\n argh\n dOxxx, vila: The supported versions for a bzr-svn branch should be available in info.py\n George says he \"replaced the system-installed svn with the new version using MacPorts\"\n jelmer: by the way, the 1.1 and 2.0 series for bzr-svn are not that clear to me ;D\n /facepalm\n dOxxx: be sure to check the dates ?\n this is a new comment on the question\n posted 15 min ago\n https://answers.launchpad.net/bzr/+question/135989\n as far as I know MacPorts installs into /opt so it wouldn't replace the system svn\n vila: Yeah, I haven't really gotten to those. I have Plans, though :-)\n jelmer: hehe great !\n so, bzr-svn 1.0.5 is targeted at 2.x for x in [0,1,2,3] :)\n bzr-svn 1.0.3 is targeted at 2.x for x in [0,1,2]\n and of course I don't have bzr-svn-1.0.4 available here ;D\n anyway so I think his svn is not properly upgraded and his subvertpy not compiled against the right version.\n and now I really must go to work, already 30 min late.\n dOxxx: right, happy work day ! Thanks again !\n bye!\n jelmer: one more thing: bzr-svn is aimed at being compatible with svn-1.[456] right ? (relying on subvertpy compiled against the right library ?)\n vila: yep, and 1.7\n hmm, so the issue with OSX installers is to be able to build various subvertpy packages on a host with the right(s) svn installed :-/\n and provide some way to select the right one :-(\n vila: yes, that's my understanding of the subunit aspect.\n . o O (Oh my god, what does he mean with this 'yes'....)\n :D\n mgz: what is backwards ?\n mgz: that subunit says all is well even when running a single failing test ?\n :P\n ha, ok\n I wonder if he does this manually in order to carry some subliminal messages\n the lunch? or lifeless quitting? :D\n mgz: not you ;D\n This has occurred several times these last weeks with an astonishing synchronicity :)\n mgz: random thought: about 'lost connection during...' errors, could that be explained by 'time' events going backwards in time ?\n nope, they should be pure decoration.\n I hate them\n it's not a very helpful starting point for debugging I agree.\n could perhaps file a bug against subunit to make it provide more information in those circumstances\n it's from falling off the end of a read-from-stream loop, printing state information about the subprocess where available might be helpful\n breaks through the abstraction a bit, but otherwise you don't have any clue what caused the eof.\n mgz: is there a way to save these streams ?\n tee?\n where ?\n hm, point.\n :D\n inside fork_for_tests I guess.\n yeah, I was afraid you'll say that ;)\n is there way to make bzr non-interactive when working on bzr+ssh branches, so it won't ask for password?\n http://babune.ladeuil.net:24842/job/selftest-windows/237/ <- are you aware of this regression vila?\n bt.test_msgeditor.MsgEditorTest.test_deleted_commit_message has been consistently failing since then, though it passes locally for me.\n ccxCZ: like... using an ssh key and an ssh agent ?\n it's something of a hacky test, perhaps tripping over something with del.\n mgz: shudder, I noticed and forgot and bialix also mentioned something related and I was waiting for his feedback\n ccxCZ: so the answer is yes, it would drive me crazy otherwise to type my passphrase hundreds of time each day\n mgz: 'since then' is related to bug #676637 ?\n Launchpad bug 676637 in GStreamer \"Wrong aspect ratio with DV AVI files in PiTiVi\" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/676637\n probably not\n mgz: 'since then' is related to bug #673637 ?\n Launchpad bug 673637 in Bazaar \"\"bzr commit\" fails when BZR_EDITOR is emacsclient\" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/673637\n more like it\n since that set of revisions, but I'm guessing bug, yeah, that one\n damn, I should fix this asap then\n the bug report was for a windows user, too bad he didn't test it, lack of installer I presume\n vila: of course I know about ssh keys, but in case they're not loaded (eg. cronjob) I want bzr fail instead of hang\n bzr to fail*\n the problem is bzr delegates to your ssh client\n how would you prevent that from promting?\n which is paramikoI presume?\n well, depends on what you have installed.\n the use case is valid though a bit weird\n you can stop openssh by options and maybe by env\n vila, I'm not sure the fix for the bug is broken, just that test (and not always, as it seems to pass here)\n ccxCZ: you can force the ssh implementation via...\n BZR_SSH ?\n yeah, see 'bzr help env-variables'\n yeah, making a sh script with ssh --some-no-prompt-option then setting BZR_SSH to that script would work\n if you have an ssh client that supports something like that.\n ccxCZ: so you have a cronjob that pass where you have given access to some key via your agent and you want it to fail otherwise ?\n s/where/when/\n ccxCZ: I use password-less keys for unattended jobs, so I'm curious about your use case here\n ccxCZ: also there have been discussions about a true non-interactive mode but I'm not sure the related changes have landed\n ccxCZ: better file a bug with your precise use case, I'm sure I will forget otherwise :(\n actually I want automate checking whether there are changes on remote server, probably by changing prompt on the shell that is cd'ed in a dir with .bzr in it\n what should I put in BZR_SSH? would \"/usr/bin/ssh -o BatchMode=yes\" work?\n I'm afraid we don't accept arguments in this variable, IIRC, it's either a pre-defined value or a path\n mgz: hmm, this may be babune specific...\n yup.\n ccxCZ: you can put BatchMode=yes into a ~/.ssh/config stanza\n yes, but that would disable it for *every* ssh instance, which I don't want, since I might ssh into a server where I don't have a key\n no\n put it in a host stanza\n only affects that host\n that's not really what I want, it has several shortcomings\n needing to remember to add host when I branch from new one for example\n interesting thin is this still manages to ask for password:\n TTY=\"\" ssh -p 2222 localhost /dev/null\n thing*\n echo -e '#!/bin/sh\\nexec ssh -o BatchMode=yes \"$*\"\\n' > ~/bin/my_ssh; chmod ~/bin/my_ssh; export BZR_SSH=~/bin/my_ssh\n ccxCZ: openssh knows how to do direct-to-tty communication, not via stdin/stdout\n so that you can't get your password intercepted, etc\n jam: hello :)\n hi vila\n vila: I just found # cypthon: profile=True which seems very powerful. Of course, it just changed my runtime from 3min to >1hr so far...\n but you can also selectively disable it for specific functions\n :) :-/\n i thought the 2x overhead from profiling regular python code was bad, 100x for compiled functions?\n may it's more precise :D\n it runs everything 100 times to avoid noise ;)\n jam: what BZR_SSH setting are you using on windows when running from a cygwin shell ?\n vila: BZR_SSH=paramiko\n doesn't work for me:\n err, not the same failure :(\n from cygwin shell, you'd still need \"export BZR_SSH=paramiko\", and you'd also want to make sure you actually have paramiko installed\n jam: yeah, I've done just that\n thanks everyone\n jam: hmm, will that be able to use a forwarded agent ?\n vila: paramiko doesn't talk to forwarded agents, AFAIK\n I'm not sure if \"BZR_SSH=openssh\" would be able to (if you have openssh installed on that machine)\n actually, AFAIK, you can't forward agents to windows, but I don't know the cygwin ssh server all that well\n I've never tried to use it in anger\n 'ssh-add -l' gives me the expected result\n ha,right, that's where I got the error: 4 [main] ssh 3980 C:\\cygwin\\bin\\ssh.exe: *** fatal error - couldn't initialize fd 2 for /dev/tty0\n I can connect \"manually\" but not via bzr+ssh :-/\n /msg *status detach #bzr\n oops\n ccxCZ: bye ;)\n vila: probably something about TTY hiding/subprocess spawning\n vila: I would guess the problem is that your \"bzr\" is a win32 native process\n interposing itself from your cygwin shell that you sshed into, and the ssh you are going out of\n you could try running cygwin bzr\n which one is that ? ;D\n * mgz uses plink\n mixing cygwin ssh and native bazaar could certainly cause oddness\n mgz: and you can ssh *to* a windows host *and* get bzr+ssh to say lp, working ?\n why would I want to ssh to a windows host?\n mgz: to help me ssh to a windows host and have a babune setup working ;D\n vila: why not use pageant with a decent key and paramiko?\n (In other words, I've never tried to run an ssh server on windows and probably can't help)\n jam: the windows host is started on demand, there is nobody logged there\n I'd stick with screen sharing, even though that's not as nice for you as pretending it's another nix box.\n vila: well, *somebody* gets logged in...\n yes, via ssh, but how will pageant be started there ?\n no display\n mgz: screen sharing is good for interactive use, running the test suite doesn't care about a screen :)\n hudson needs ssh access to work?\n hudson itself, no, but I don't want to duplicate everything just for windows, anyway, EOD for me, dinner is ready ;) I'll try plink tomorrow\n vila: I don't think plink knows how to talk to openssh agents\n yeah, I'm not sure I'm solving your problem with that.\n the other option is paramiko without pageant, and just use password-less keys\n if this means having one dedicated ssh key for windows, I can leave with that\n or two (one for babune, one for lp)\n I believe paramiko will look in ~/.ssh/* which is C:/Documents and Settings/user on older windows and C:/Users/user on newer\n jam: ha ! excellent, that's certainly the missing bit, as is *not* set correctly so far\n * vila shouts: yeah, I'm coming darling, I'm coming\n \u00e2\u0080\u008ehey guys. how do i push on the last commit?\n which one is the last one? :)\n or do you mean \"on every commit\"\n \u00e2\u0080\u008edash: commit that overwrite the last commit\n Ddorda: commits don't \"overwrite\" stuff\n \u00e2\u0080\u008edash: i mean revisions (woops)\n right, those don't either\n \u00e2\u0080\u008eto push overwriting the last rev.\n \u00e2\u0080\u008eso?\n \u00e2\u0080\u008ei want to remove the last rev. and make a new one instead\n Ddorda, \"bzr uncommit\"\n \u00e2\u0080\u008ebeuno: does it remove the changes?\n Ddorda, it removes the commit, and leaves the changes uncommited\n \u00e2\u0080\u008ebeuno: thank you :)\n np\n vila: Your lucid bzr-landing-dependencies has a version number less than the hardy one. This is bad, if there's ever an attempt to upgrade from one to the other\n maxb: thanks for the tip, I'll fix it, 1.0.2~lucid1ubuntu1 will do >\n ?\n vila: Well, it's a pet peeve of mine - why include \"ubuntu\" when it's not a Debian derived package modified in ubuntu?\n maxb: no idea, monkey see monkey do, no thinking there :) I'm all ears\n If it's a lucidified version of 1.0.0, I'd call it 1.0.0lucid1\n maxb: oooh, that's the '~' that makes it smaller ?\n Yes, the ~ is the magic that is smaller than nothing at all\n Unfortunately, the rise of PPAs has taught people to use it as a generic separator\n maxb: because PPAs are supposed to provide preview versions right ?\n Because they are often used that way\n vila: right, you usually want ppas to be overwritten by real releases\n I've seen similar tricks with nightly builds. So you have bzr-2.3b4~r5536\n maxb: done and dput'ed\n and mark-uploaded and pushed? :-)\n jam: yeah, as maxb said, I thought it was just a separator\n vila: there is a whole lot of voodoo magic that goes into debian versions :)\n - means something, as does ~, and everything else\n maxb: what ? Hmm, more tricks coming :)\n maxb: I just do a debchange/debcommit/debuild -S/dput dance\n but don't you have this in a bzr branch?\n maxb: I do\n \"bzr mark-uploaded\" is \"bzr tag
\"\n hmm, done\n yay :-)\n pushed\n so the branch lacks a proper tag for the previous version, but we can forget about that right ?\n I should do the same in the hardy branch though\n or should I create 1.0.0hardy1 first to catch up ?\n OMG that's why ubuntu version follow the alphabet ?\n sometimes I wonder what the Unicode people are smoking: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f63c/index.htm\n \"Unicode Character 'CAT FACE WITH WRY SMILE'\"\n maxb: ^ ?\n Yes that is one of the reasons for ubuntu versions following the alphabet :-)\n maxb: cool :) And about creating a 1.0.0hardy1 version ?\n There is no particular need to do 1.0.0hardy1, I would call the hardy branch the 'trunk' and let it use plain version numbers\n ok\n jam: FINALLY I've been wanting that codepoint for *ages*\n File \"/home/maxb/wc/bzr/qbzr/ppa/karmic/lib/tests/modeltest.py\", line 69, in nonDestructiveBasicTest\n assert(self.model.columnCount(QtCore.QModelIndex()) >= 0)\n TypeError: QAbstractItemModel.columnCount() is abstract and cannot be called as an unbound method\n Anyone qbzr-involved around who can interpret that?\n The current qbzr packaging turns on the tests on the buildds, and it fails like that for karmic\n I am now wondering if anyone actually uses qbzr from the ppa on karmic\n or jaunty even\n gary gary where are you ??? garyvdm (hoping to trigger a curl/grep daemon)\n maxb: this smells like a qt dependency, filing a bug on qbzr may be your best bet\n mgz, jam: What will happend if bzr selftest has to access to the TEMP dir ?\n d for devil\n mgz, jam: in windows that is\n vila: if it has to, then it will access it...\n I don't quite understand your question\n are you wondering *where* temp is?\n it turns out babune has no write access (nor read even) to TEMP (c:\\WINDOWS\\TEMP)\n yet most of the tests pass... So I wonder how :D\n are you sure $TEMP isn't C:\\Documents and Settings\\\\Application Data\\Local\\Temp ?\n check what\n tempfile.mkstemp() returns\n nothing :-DF\n ha, no typo of course\n c:\\\\windows\\\\temp\\\\tpmxxxx\n or tempfile.NamedTemporaryFile().name\n blink\n vila: are you *sure* it doesn't have access :)\n I'm not sure the protection model for winxp, but it may be impossible to block the standard temp dir, or something\n that's weird, if I set TEMP to a dir I create myself the offending test pass\n jam: right, it has access, but... something goes wrong just for this test...\n we use $TEMP for the whole test suite, so I would be surprised if that was the specific failure\n maybe the path depth is getting too long?\n no, simple file name\n (more than 260 chars?)\n and my test dir is longer than windows/temp\n right, and from a cygwin shell TEMP is set as you said and the test pass\n so definitely some weird user setup, I fixed some, but more is needed, but enough for tonight, probably the ssh server fail to setuid properly, I may have to tweak the service definition and reboot or something-ish :)\n hi jam, spiv\n hi poolie\n jam, join #ubuntu-meeting?\n I return!\n \\o/\n so the eventual decision was that the installer for bzr 2.2.2 should include subvertpy 0.7.5 and bzr-svn 1.0.5?\n dOxxx: I don't remember releasing 1.0.5 :-)\n dOxxx: but other than that, yes.\n (09:34:48) vila: so, bzr-svn 1.0.5 is targeted at 2.x for x in [0,1,2,3] :)\n did he mean 1.0.4?\n dOxxx: no, 1.0.5 is in development at the moment\n ah\n um\n jelmer: So, just to be sure, bzr-svn 1.0.4 should be bzr 2.2 compatible, right?\n jelmer: speaking of which, when are you going to release 1.0.5 :-)\n Would be nice to get those kde code imports that are currently being imported by my desktop on to launchpad proper\n jam, hi, still around?\n maxb: I don't have any immediate plans, would like to get those ghost issues resolved first.\n maxb: It should be possible to cherrypick the new release for launchpad though, new bzr-svn releases have to be cherrypicked anyway.\n jelmer: cherrypick as in merge just the relevant fixes into the ~launchpad-pqm branch?\n poolie: yeah, I'm still here\n maxb: No, sorry - I used the wrong word. I meant to say new bzr-svn releases have to be merged manually for lp anyway.\n sorry otp at the moment\n yes... but that is dependent on there being a new upstream release first :-)\n np, you were looking for me :)\n maxb: not really, we've merged snapshots in the past.\n So I should review whether there's a comfortable point on lp:bzr-svn/1.0 which we can be happy about using\n maxb: Yes; hopefully that will be trip.\n *tip\n dOxxx: if 1.0.5 is not released, it's ok to put it in 2.3, hoping for jelmer to release it before 2.3 is final, for 2.2, we should stau with officially released versions, so 1.04, sory for the confusion, I was looking at the source in bzr-mac-installer/2.3/src/bzr-svn\n s/stau/stay/\n * vila off to bed ;)\n nite vila\n (mornin jelmer, poolie, jam, maxb, dOxxx... woah.. busy today!)\n bye vila\n Does anyone know what the graph.sh in hydrazine is intended to be used with?\n Because the data collection part of the puzzle appears to be missing\n I am wondering if we should delete graph.sh from hydrazine\n (poolie perhaps?)\n<_habnabit> Is there a thing anyone knows of that visualizes branching and merging?\n _habnabit: 'bzr qlog'\n or 'bzr vis'\n<_habnabit> Aha.\n depending on if you have the qt or gtk plugins installed\n<_habnabit> Apparently I have neither.\n I recommend qlog. Even though I am a GNOME user.\n qlog is just too shiny not to use, even if I have to install all of Qt to do it\n<_habnabit> Is there something that can spit out a dot file, maybe?\n maxb, it's pretty old, i think we should delete it\n if the collection code is checked in at all, it will be there\n it never got to a super useful state though\n i thought there was a count-bugs.py or something?\n There is, but it emits human-readable text, not rrd anything\n _habnabit: there is somewhere\n _habnabit: the graph-ancestry command from bzrtools\n<_habnabit> Aha.\n#bzr 2010-12-02\n _habnabit: qlog/vis are nicer than the dot output, I think :)\n<_habnabit> It's still churning away at making the dot output.\n _habnabit: churning away in the graph-ancestry command, or in dot?\n I wouldn't expect graph-ancestry to need much time, but I would expect dot could be challenged by a large graph.\n<_habnabit> dot was being slow.\n<_habnabit> I'm also building python at the same time.\n \\o spiv\n<_habnabit> Also this dot output is pretty sweet\n<_habnabit> It really just shows merges, which is what I wanted\n<_habnabit> I don't care about individual revisions\n maxb: you legend\n I'm not sure I deserve that just for deleting some cruft :-)\n Hmm, we need to define an actual policy for when to promote things to the stable ppa\n but for now, I think I shall just go ahead and promote bzr 2.2.2 since I've just noticed we haven't ye\n t\n wfm\n poolie: heh\n poolie: o/\n poolie: You did review=approve on my hydrazine mp - I take it you also mean merge=approve?\n yes\n Hooray, tests passing again. Now all I need to do is split up the new work into the appropriate prerequisite branches...\n yay\n * spiv idly wonders how many tests he's run today... hundreds of thousands I suppose.\n \\o/\n parallel much?\n lifeless: always\n Well, mostly :)\n bzr alias pselftest='selftest --parallel=fork'\n spiv: nice\n I'm glad its getting loved :)\n hello all !\n maxb: I was waiting for bzr-explorer to be upgraded to 1.1.2 before promoting\n maxb: but that could come later anyway\n Hi!\n what are some good tools to model the structure of a VCS?\n hi guys, i'm getting an error trying to access a branch over https from a location served with loggerhead - the error i get is bzr: ERROR: Server sent an unexpected error: ('error', \"'NoneType' object has no attribute 'endswith'\")\n but I can't seem to see anything in log files on the server end to get a trace\n Glenjamin: wow, this is even more obscure for me :) Are you using the most recent version of bzr/loggerhead on the server ?\n i think i'm using the apt version\n one sec\n 1.17\n Glenjamin: Also, IIRC loggerhead can be configured in various ways, including having some sort of private apache instance or something, did you check the apache logs too ? (Or is it a case where logs are lost when used with some web server app framework..)\n in this case i'm proxying through to serve-branches\n I think you want to retry later with mkanat (he doesn't appear to be online right now)\n there appears to be a stable 1.18, any idea if there's a PPA?\n hmm, they may be several even... let me check\n Glenjamin: running lucid or maverick ?\n lucid\n stable bzr ppa carries only 1.17\n same for proposed :-/\n and beta\n Glenjamin: and the loggerhead project on lp mentions only the source tarball, that's all I know about it, sorry\n no probs, thanks for looking at it\n Tiriel: what structure are you referring too ? bzr internals ? history of a given branch ? relationships between branches ?\n I could get it to work by proxying smart server requests to bazaar on wsgi instead of loggerhead, but its not that important on that server - was just going to try and get simple http reading for when we dont have ssh\n relationships between branches, and maybe branch history as well\n Tiriel: try 'bzr qlog branch1' and 'bzr qlog branch1 branch2 ... branchn' from the qbzr plugin\n the branch-ancestry command does something like that from bzrtools iirc\n branch-history\n Yeah, well, I was lookin for something more like UML modeling for version control systems\n I don't have a deployed system at the moment\n there's graph-ancestry - that outputs something in dot\n hi, I have a quick question: when I check out an svn repository with bzr-svn, it starts building a cache in ~/.cache/bazaar/svn. I don't want it to put it in $HOME, as that's on the network and really slow. Can I tell bzr-svn to put it somewhere else?\n pfarrell: you should be able to make that directory a symlink to somewhere else\n true, yep\n thanks for the suggestion\n Hi, I am trying to merge a branch containing only one revision and then throw away the changes and replace them with my own. However, when I bzr revert after \"bzr merge . -r:tag\" the merge is forgotten too.\n I thought I had to use \"--forget-merges\" to make bzr bzr forget the pending merge.\n is this the expected behaviour?\n alf_: The way it works is as follows:\n 'bzr revert' reverts tree content and pending merge tips\n 'bzr revert ' reverts the tree content specified\n 'bzr revert --forget-merges' reverts only pending merge tips\n maxb: yes, that makes sense, thanks!\n maxb: regarding ppa promotion, I was waiting for bzr-explorer-1.1.2 before using lp-promote-ppa for the first time ! (You broke my toy :-)\n maxb: not a problem anyway, it's good to have 2.2.2 deployed\n Hello! We use VSS here with more or less success. Well, now our team gets bigger and the VSS data-file errors more. I want to go to a DVCS. Well, I checked their features and ma happy with them. But!!!! No shared files?? can it be possible? We have all over the place shared files. I think that because I read it in the VSS2Git documentation. So I hope Bazaar can do that.\n hi all. Is there any examples of how can I do a merge programmatically from Python? I found bzrlib.merge.merge_inner(), but it does seem to only add changes and not revisions. Should I just something like what is done in bzrlib.builtins.cmd_merge?\n piranha: builtins is the best source of knowledge when it comes to bzrlib uses. 'merge' in particular does a lot there\n UnhappyVssUser: Hi\n vila: yeah, it seems so... Ok, thank you, will continue to dig.\n UnhappyVssUser: What do you mean by shared files?\n jam: hello !\n morning vila\n jam: I'm freezing 2.3b4, what can you tell me about bug #602614 and bug #680763, should I just remove the milestone ?\n Launchpad bug 602614 in Bazaar \"Out of memory error on auto repacking\" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/602614\n Launchpad bug 680763 in Launchpad Bazaar Integration \"bzr to launchpad is slower than to devpad\" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/680763\n vila: can you just retarget it? poolie asked me to keep them on milestones so we see them easily as work items\n hmm, so I'll retarget them to 2.3.0 then\n jam: done\n amazing... I manage to make a typo ending in a line containing 'torturer'... caught by make check-dist-tarball...\n* vila changed the topic of #bzr to: Bazaar version control | try https://answers.launchpad.net/bzr for more help | http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | Patch pilot: jam | 2.3b4 is frozen, installers build time ! (rm vila)\n If I have a checkout, what is the shorthand to reference it (ie. parent is to :parent as checkout is to....)?\n like the remote branch, not the local one\n Hello. If some branch has stopped mirroring from our internal host to launchpad (for some unknown reason), who should I contact?\n any lp admin here?\n jam: hello! do you know? ^\n guilhembi, #launchpad would be the better place to ask\n guilhembi, whats the branch?\n cody-somerville: ok, I'll go ask there\n the branch is\n https://code.launchpad.net/~mysql/mysql-server/mysql-trunk\n cody-somerville: It might be :bound\n \"next mirror: disabled\".\n cody-somerville: \"bzr help location-alias\"\n cody-somerville: bzr help location-alias\n :bound\n Ooh, I didn't know about that help page! I was just digging in the source code.\n thanks\n * guilhembi goes to #launchpad\n guilhembi, Yea. It looks like you'll need to ask a launchpad admin for help.\n hi all! I am trying to install setuptools_bzr in a Python 2.4 environment, but it fails with \"AttributeError: 'KnitPackRepository' object has no attribute 'get_revision_inventory'\"\n already tried with bzr 2.2 and 2.3b4\n any ideas why this is happening?\n servilio: Repository.get_revision_inventory() was deprecated and then removed in 2.2.\n servilio: FWIW you should use Repository.get_inventory() AFAIK, though this doesn't help you too much if the problem is in setuptools_bzr.\n Peng: thanks! I suspected something like was happening, but I haven't kept track of the bzr internals\n I tried to install bzr 2.1, but there is no downloadable tarball in pypi looks like\n mornin everybody :)\n morning\n 'morning peitschie, thumper\n jelmer_: hey\n jelmer_: I'd love some comment on my email to the bzr list :)\n mornin jelmer_\n mornin thumper :)\n hi all\n mornin poolie\n Morning poolie, peitschie.\n (plus plenty other people...)\n hi there\n hiya spiv\n#bzr 2010-12-03\n hello, can someone explain what i'm doing wrong here? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/539211/\n trying to make it so that my streamflow project uses my personal email, not my work email\n according to the help i found on google, that syntax i used should work...\n achiang: what file is that top section from?\n i think it needs to be ~/.bazaar/locations.conf, not ~/.bazaar/bazaar.conf\n mwhudson: ~/.bazaar/bazaar.conf\n mwhudson: hm, interesting\n i will try again\n mwhudson: yes, that was it, thank you\n achiang: np\n mwhudson: the problem was entirely mine. i read this page too fast -- http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/ConfiguringBzr\n hi mwh, achiang\n the documentation clearly says locations.conf, and i misread it\n so your documentation is good, i am just dumb. :)\n poolie: hi\n $ bzr resolve --take-this .bzrignore\n 0 conflict(s) resolved, 1 remaining\n erm, what?\n (yes, .bzrignore is conflicted)\n text conflicted, that is\n maxb: :(\n maxb: bzr resolve --take-this .bzrignore.THIS ?\n maxb, iirc what vila said, it does not mark it as resolved\n it should\n we should distinguish \"do this to the file\" from \"mark the conflict as solved\"\n hey\n how do I set append only for an existing branch on LP?\n thumper: by editing the branch.conf file, I think :(\n what?\n that's a bit primitive\n thumper: I expect vila's config work will provide UI for this fairly soon\n spiv: what do I need to add?\n I'm sure hitchhiker can work wonders\n append_revisions_only = True\n Or open the branch object and call br.set_append_revisions_only(True)\n thumper: thanks for your mail about apis, i'm replying\n spiv, maybe we should pair together more\n i was thinking of buying a desktop rather than headset mike\n poolie: Any hope of getting my loggerhead changes pushed to LP?\n Or approved, at least.\n good question!\n did i review but not mark them approved?\n or... there are probably more still unreviewed?\n poolie: Ah, I merged them into loggerhead, but the LP branch push MP is still waiting a review.\n Hey, I have a workflow hiccup with bzr that I am wondering if you guys can shed some light on.\n I frequently encounter diverged branches that I don't really expect\n this is mainly in my 'personal preferences' repository, which I keep on several machines\n the sort of pattern is this; I'm on a plane, I make some settings adjustment based on some new tidbit of information (like, a shell helper that I didn't realize was doing a DNS lookup or something like that, that I discover because I'm offline)\n commit locally\n poolie: cool\n then later I make changes to the repository on my desktop, push those changes\n and then, 30 seconds before I go somewhere, I do a quick 'bzr pull' on my laptop\n oops! branches diverged. but my upstream is kind of crappy, so it takes 45 seconds to actually do the SSH handshake with my server, and I'm leaving for a meeting or something, so I just leave without my changes.\n glyph: Ah, you have to do a \"bzr merge\" in that situation instead.\n mkanat: Oh, I know *that*. But 'bzr merge' needs to do the SSH handshake again and deal with RTT again and it's slow.\n More importantly, I have to do something interactive\n glyph: Perhaps you would be interested in 'bzr merge --pull' (pull if you can, otherwise merge)\n maxb: Hmm, maybe that is what I want\n although\n Of course, you still need to commit and push\n what I _really_ want is 'pull if you can, otherwise, put the diverged branch in some helpful location in the same repository, so you can merge from it later'\n Well, it's not the greatest of UIs, but that kind of already happens (except for the helpful bit)\n haha\n maxb: is that bzr's motto?\n maxb: 'that already works, except for the helpful bit'\n The not-actually-pulled head will be stored in the local repository and visible in 'bzr heads --dead'\n you would be able to merge it by revision-id later\n woah\n that's pretty awesome\n so the network I/O actually _does_ happen?\n sure, it's not just pretending :-)\n well, I knew _some_ did\n I didn't realize it actually pulled all of the revs though\n so, how about this\n if I make a no-tree branch in my branch and then only ever pull into it\n then I can just do 'cd upstream; bzr pull'\n and then 'cd ..; bzr merge --pull upstream'\n when I have a moment to sit and merge later, but potentially no network I/O\n hmm, if I do 'bzr get . upstream', it works, but it doesn't appear to use the working directory as a shared repository\n the branch in question is ~/something, and I don't want ~ to be a shared repository. 'bzr init-repository .' complains that '.bzr' already exists.\n do I have any option here?\n erm, possibly\n let me test something....\n It's rather cheating quite a lot, but it seems as if 'touch .bzr/repository/shared-storage' convinces bzr to use an existing branch's repository as a shared repository for contained branches\n maxb: hmm\n maxb: maybe I don't need to do that\n now that I'm looking at the output of heads --dead, I can see that it's basically doing what I want\n yeah\n okay this is cool\n maxb: thanks for the info\n poolie: it would be interesting to try pairing more\n poolie: I'd have to have a bit of a think about headsets etc.\n perhaps we should just meet up and actually pair?\n i feel a bit buried with stuff i've already started but really there's no reason we couldn't pair on that\n or or things you have in train\n so, now I think I know how to phrase my request\n spiv: there should be a 'bzr merge --last' (or perhaps just the default behavior of 'bzr merge' if there are pulled-but-not-merged revisions)\n if 'bzr pull' fails\n or \"if the branches have diverged\"\n it looks like 'push' actually fixes the divergent revisions too? this is really neat!\n push actually _pulls_ the divergent revisions\n glyph: how precisely would you define \"last\"?\n merge --last is an interesting concept. It's roughly equivalent to .git/FETCH_HEAD\n glyph: you mean the head most recently added to the repo?\n spiv: I *think* that's what I mean, but I don't understand those terms perfectly, so, to be explicit:\n bzr pull; oops, diverged; bzr merge # don't do any network I/O, you already have a diverged merge tip, just merge it\n I don't really know about .git/FETCH_HEAD, because one of the best things - perhaps _the_ best thing about bzr, is the fact that it prevents me from needing to learn anything at all about git :)\n glyph: so the trick is finding the right diverged tip\n glyph: maybe you have other tips from doing \"bzr merge; bzr revert\", or from \"bzr uncommit\".\n spiv: well, this is why I phrased my requirement that way.\n spiv: You could have 'bzr pull' specifically remember which tip is the right one, when the branches have diverged, and have other things wipe that memory\n spiv: 'bzr pull; bzr whatever; bzr merge --last' would just say 'Sorry, last command wasn't a pull, I don't know what tip you mean.\"\n kind of a noob question, but how do I go about manually creating patch files? I've got a situation where I've got two trees with no common base, and I just want to copy over some revisions.\n is it simply `bzr diff -c revno > filename.patch` ?\n and and then `bzr merge filename.patch`?\n hmm, that didn't work\n dmuir: I think you need to use the gnu \"patch\" command to apply the batch\n it won't handle renames or binary files correctly however\n hmm, ok\n dmuir: give this a try? http://www.cuberick.com/2009/02/merge-bazaar-repositories-with-no.html\n dmuir: 'bzr send'\n peitschie: woah, that is rad.\n hmm, if I understand the cuberick trick, I'm basically cherrypicking the tree as a whole?\n I'm still getting a bunch of conflicts, but I think they're all fairly straight forward.\n dmuir: sounds about right\n glyph: I think send wants to provide a bundle, which pretty much requires a common ancestor?\n hmm, send crashed on me\n bzrtools's patch seems to do the job reasonably well\n glyph: ok, I'd call that option --last-pull in that case.\n spiv: really, I just want it to be the default behavior of 'merge' :)\n glyph: have a local mirror of the source branch, and have that mirror associated as the parent branch, and you'd have that ;)\n spiv: any better way to do the branch-and-shared-repository thing?\n it would just be handy to have the local mirror be an empty dir called 'upstream' ;)\n In VSS (M****** Source Safe) there are shared files. A file is always in a vss \"project\" (a directory). If you share it (VSS terminology), the same file can appear in multiple projects. Let's say I have a configuration file \"OurCommonConfigs.xml\". We have this file in all our Visual Studio projects. But we don't want to manually(!) update it in all places where it is used. When I edit it in project X it should be updated in project Y \n possible with GIT?\n this isn't the git channel\n Err, I mean Bazaar. You see I'm evaluating the various Source control\n you could store it in a bzr branch and reference it from all your projects\n systems.\n by a lnk, or some other means\n bzr won't automatically update every checkout of it\n glyph: you can do e.g. \"bzr init-repo foo --no-trees; cd foo; bzr init .; bzr pull $my_branch; bzr branch $upstream upstream\"\n glyph: although it might be nicer and simpler to use the bzr-colo plugin\n Thanks, I'll look up branch and link benhaviour\n hi all\n pingeling about https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vila/bzr/638451-malformed/+merge/41759\n hi there vila\n poolie: hey !\n sorry vila, i really wanted to do that today\n didn't get to it\n :/\n Should I just land this mp, I summarized in the cover letter that I addressed the points raised, but I'm always a bit hesitant to do that sort of thing\n * poolie looks quickly\n i have to go soon\n poolie: yeah, no worries, I've seen a couple of interesting mails from you :)\n does it actually resolve things?\n i mean, does it mark the conflict resolved?\n oh yes\n it looks basically ok\n so, weak +1 if you're confident to merge it\n now i have to go; have a good day!\n and weekend\n poolie: you too ! and thanks !\n too slow ;)\n Regarding shared VSS files: I have read about the \"branch\" command but didn't found the \"lnk\" command in documentation. The branch command creates a new repository! Not really what shared files are. But let's assume I make a branch for this file and put it in a shared repository. When I change the file, I change it in this branch. Then there is another branch (smae repository) which contains the class-files of the program. Is it possi\n class files and the \"Shared\" file in the same physical directory the developer uses to work with (say: \"C:\\Product\\CurrentDev\\ProjectA\\class1.cs\" and \"C:\\Product\\CurrentDev\\ProjectA\\Options.xml\")? Do you think the Visual Studio plugin will be able to handle this situation?\n UnhappyVssUser: I think poolie meant 'lnk' as in a link to a file that is not part of the branch you're working in but pointing to a file managed in its own branch\n UnhappyVssUser: the point is that bzr handles trees not individual files when it comes to versioning, and I suspect you don't want this file to be part of every revision in all your project branches\n UnhappyVssUser: because if you revert to a previous revision you don't want to revert this file too\n UnhappyVssUser: or not ?\n UnhappyVssUser: by the way, your previous msgs were truncated making them a bit unclear\n vila: Sorry for the truncated texts. Opera browser makes that (if you meant the two lines).\n UnhappyVssUser: the first one ends with 'It is poss' and the second starts with 'class files and'\n It seems I havn't understood the philosophy of bazaar full. Let me explain: VSS is very simple (I hear you laughing, don't!). In a project(directory) you check out your file, edit it and check it in. If you want a version, you \"label\" it, say \"v2.3.44\". If you want that version you \"get\" a \"label\". too be continued...\n I'm not laughing, I feel your pain :)\n A \"shared file\" exists in x directories. If you \"label\" the directory/project and later \"get\" that \"label\" the you get also the \"shared file\"\n right, so that's a fundamental difference\n with bzr you don't version files, you version trees\n Well, but what do you do if you want to have the same file on multiple places?\n Don't tell me you edit all of them manually!!!\n the question is whether you want this file to follow the history of its containing tree or not\n UnhappyVssUser: if you revert a tree to a previous revision, do *you* want this file to also revert to this previous revision ?\n yes, it should also revert to the previous revision (\"label\")\n I'm looking up the \"tree\" and what it represents in VSS....if there is such a thing\n ok, in this case, you're after nested trees, which are not fully implemented (yet) in bzr, but even there, the plan is to nest *trees* not files, so you'll have to put this file in its own directory (AFAIUI)\n UnhappyVssUser: I suspect a tree is really a label: i.e. the set of (file, revision) that happen to carry this label\n .. but may be not, (how would updates of the shared files propagate to other labels ?)\n I found it in bazaar doc: http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/migration/en/survival/bzr-for-vss-users.html\n A \"label\" seems to be a tag\n UnhappyVssUser: right, this page says that Share is N/A\n UnhappyVssUser: surely the person that wrote it knows VSS (I don't, I *guess* it's closer to CVS than to bzr)\n Well, if you're going to insult CVS...\n fullermd: hey !\n I rarely insult tools anymore these days, they tend to just ignore me when I do that\n They ignore me too, but it's still very cathartic to scream at them.\n ... another reason is that ISTM, these insults tend to bounce back at me for trusting the tools too much :-D\n Ok bazaarians, I'm a friendly person too and this Linus guy makes insults even in pulbic speeches. So I'm not very GIT-friendly. I would prefer Bazaar. When can I expect nested trees? It seems I'm the only guy who has the same file at multiple places. It was not my idea, it's Visual Studio.\n UnhappyVssUser: not soon enough :-/ But there are plugins which tries to address the same kind of compositing, bzr-externals and... bialix will hate me for forgetting the other...\n someone help me ?\n scmproj !\n UnhappyVssUser: http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/plugins/en/\n UnhappyVssUser: both externals and scmproj are actively maintained and part of the devs (if not all) are on windows too, so they should be able to help you better than me\n vila: Thanks for the link. More to read...\n vila: I thank you very much. Very helpful. I'll check the plugins...\n UnhappyVssUser: you're welcome\n have a good day (The boss appeared at my office ...uh)\n He does not know of his bazaar luck, yet\n UnhappyVssUser: quick ! Bring up your facebook page ! Enough of this productivity-enhancing tools discussions !!\n lol\n :)\n But honestly, this is his thinking\n unfortunately, we must \"introduce\" changes secretly until they work and present after they are a success. Before: \"costs too much\", \"no effort in this direction\"\n fullermd: by the way, just curious, how would you address this 'shared file' issue in CVS ?\n UnhappyVssUser: Yeah, I know the feeling :-/\n fullermd: CVSROOT/modules tinkering ?\n I s'pose you could \"ln -s /some/other/repo/foo,v .\"\n fullermd: naaah, on windows man, no funny symlinks...\n Well, you wouldn't be hosting a CVS repo on windows in the first place...\n fullermd: pff, cheater :D\n Man, if we're running CVS, cheating is de rigeur :p\n LOL\n good to know I can use 'de rigueur' with English people ;)\n Oh, did French borrow that phrase from English too? ;>\n something like that certainly ;D\n ha ! window is easy, just one click is enough !\n The trouble is to find which one...\n mgz, jam: For the record, export BZR_SSH=openssh now works for the babune slave *including* using the ssh keys forwarded from the babune master, \\o/\n for the further record, what exactly did you need to change vila?\n hmm\n the ssh server service should be started by the babune user\n starting a service should be allowed from a user with an empty password\n lp key should be registered in the right known_hosts file\n of course none of those admin tweaks could be recorded in a bzr branch :-(\n but it's what we have irc logs for :)\n one more test including booting the slave\n hehe\n mgz: http://babune.ladeuil.net:24842/job/selftest-subset-windows/23/console\n it's blue!\n mgz: also note that bzr has stopped complaining about lp-id\n *subset* !\n this address the msgeditor failure\n yes, but that subset would have been red.\n yup\n but that gave me 1) a simple subset to play with 2) a strong incentive to address the annoying-for-far-too-long issues :D\n the remaining issues just need the same thing.\n mgz: note that this morning I was about to re-install windows from scratch before a let-s-try-one-more-thing urge :)\n well, one's a real tough bug, but I'll find the time to finish squishing that.\n the trick was to find the real error behind: 'can't start the service for this user' and from there find where to click to allow a service to be launched by a user with an empty password...\n mgz: by the way, I tried plink too and I was close to make it work there too, but I resign once I understood that pageant can only be a starting point when it comes to forwarding ssh keys...\n which I reckon is because nobody can run a ssh server properly on windows\n The setup I ended up with, really only works for the the babune user, any other one will encounter the same kind of issue\n which basically are: sshd -> bzr -> ssh\n the ssh processes can't communicate reliably because bzr being a native app broke some cygwin assumption about who owns what including one socket/file required to communicate between the two ssh processes\n mgz: re-running a full test suite to see where we are now\n that all sounds about right\n I don't even get checkboxes, needed to use ntrights for some perms stuff for my test setup.\n and manually setting HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SYSTEM\\CurrentControlSet\\Control\\Lsa\\limitblankpassworduse\n don't mention guessing how this has been translated in French...\n I've already forgot :D\n and this was less than an hour ago :D\n well, I'd forgotten the details too, had to go off and find the script where I'd documented what I'd done when you jogged my memory about blank password problems.\n too bad I didn't know about the ability to do this kind of stuff via scripts, I would have been more prone to record my tweaks this way :-/\n well, that particular script is 50% docstring and 50% after-the-fact test :)\n yup, I love doc strings for this kind of stiff\n stuff\n oops\n \"do these steps, then running this should start working\"\n yeah, better than mere: do this stuff again next time if you're lucky enough to remember\n which, as mentioned above, I'm not very good at ;D\n mgz: I had some hope for some vbox fix in the recently release 3.0.12, but the 'lost connection during test' errors are still there :-/\n 3.2.12 even\n we will need more informaton on that to work out what exactly is going on.\n I painfully know :D\n mgz: wow, have you ever noticed the 'Age' column in the babune failed tests ?\n yup, that's why I bugged you about the one you just fixed, because it was new-but-not-random\n excellent...\n mgz: surprising new failures in the launchpad plugin\n those do look odd.\n mgz: surprising + 3 failures *and* surprising +3 tests... very weird\n possibly related to your lp login change?\n failed in run #253 but not in #252 with only unrelated changes bewteen the 2 ?\n sorry, as in:\n lp key should be registered in the right known_hosts file\n mgz: also note that bzr has stopped complaining about lp-id\n ooooh\n I'd hope the test would be sufficiently isolated, but it may well not me.\n *be\n bad test isolation then\n :)\n def get_lp_login(_config=None):\n if _config is None:\n _config = GlobalConfig()\n username = _config.get_user_option('launchpad_username')\n looks dodgy.\n wait... should be fine.\n config is handled by the default setup?\n TestCaseInTempDir, so it should\n eerk, it isn't\n I thought you told Gordon it was for his mergetools mp...\n no, I mean, TestCaseInTempDir should, but it seems the test manage to escape it\n unless....\n ah. well, it's a bug to fix, I can't repo it here unfortunately.\n os.environ.get('BZR_HOME') returns None ???\n urgh: tests.TestCase.setUp(self)\n ha!\n I'd not noticed that.\n one line fix to get you three passing tests again.\n sry, that was obscure, it's in a test class based on TestCaseInTempDir\n how creative we can be to defeat our own checks...\n yeah, I saw it when you pasted.\n it looks deliberate, so better just check the mp from barry, but seems like it should just be changed.\n and that fixes them all (of course)\n oooh, I can of recall this mp, I may even be the one that proposed the \"fix\" :D\n karma!\n s/can/kind/\n hihi\n I don't quite get how it was passing before though...\n raising InvalidURL because it couldn't connect maybe\n https://code.launchpad.net/~barry/bzr/609186-shortcuts/+merge/37787\n ^right, that's my guess, not having a lp user was getting an earlier failure\n nice example of an unexpected success...\n mgz: how to call someone evading jail ?\n escapee? there are better words I'm failing to remember\n dodger will do :D\n Fugitive?\n isolation dodger sounds better for the case at hand I think, it's not that it's running away, it's that it cleverly dodge the part we want to enforce :o)\n Evade.\n that's the one. thanks fullermd.\n was looking for my copy of great expectations.\n Eep. Good thing I happened by :p\n pfff, \u00c3\u00a9vad\u00c3\u00a9 will you ? :-D\n Poker? I hardly know 'er!\n but I won't use accented letters in a branch name, oh no, I've better things to do ;-p\n fugitive_launchpad_plugin_tests\n Ah yes, Bon Jovi telling us how to write tests :p\n I thought they were written by the man with one arm.\n they put several arms in servers these days\n fugitif can also means stealth in french\n right, it's slightly emphasising the sneaking around trying to avoid recapture rather than the gaol break itself.\n I'm pretty sure it comes from Latin, so...\n Tempos fugit ?\n Same root.\n indeed\n time feels longer in jail, because you're closer to its roots\n https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vila/bzr/684662-fugitive-launchpad-plugin-tests/+merge/42605\n mgz: meh, for bzrlib.tests.blackbox.test_version.TestVersionUnicodeOutput.test_unicode_bzr_home we use get_user_encoding() for a path (BZR_HOME) ??\n mgz: is that the right thing to do or a buggy test ?\n yeah, and the test is a little bogus anyway which is why I've not bothered squishing it yet.\n as is the actual implementation, anything using 'safe_unicode' is asking for things to blow up randomly.\n in config.py you mean ?\n I wonder if I added this to make this test pass... in anger\n it was failing for me (in a different way) before that, I think related to depending on the cwd or environment\n * vila tries a full run without this safe_unicode call\n yeah, indeed, this test fails at a totally different place\n and what's the rule about env vars encoding ? It was discussed before no ?\n they're in user encoding.\n can't get at unicode environment with python 2 unfortunately.\n ha ! That was it\n right,single test failing\n so the safe_unicode may be necessary but at a different place\n no. bad vila.\n but then the test itself is valid\n rhaaa, I meant user_decoding the env var :D\n is never nessersary, it's just sticking a plaster on it.\n yup.\n but waitaminute, wan't the discussion saying something different between windows and the others there ?\n (about env var encoding)\n s/wan't/wasn't/\n well, for nix you can shove any old junk in the environment block\n if you do that on windows, you're liable to crash your process\n so the decoding should happen on windows only ?\n well, depends on the abstraction, but on nix we need at least to cope with the idea that the bytes may not be in the user's encoding\n hmm, the problem seems so vague it's hard to address it :-/\n python 3 basically swaps having a problem on windows (with not being able to access the unicode environment) for a problem on nix (not being able to use arbitrary bytes)\n which they now 'solve' with a combination of two apis for everything, and the god-awful 'surrogate escape' codec\n also known as, the 'please break my xml' codec\n you're just adding weight to my remark :)\n clear abstrations help but yeah, some of this stuff is just complex\n +c\n basically we should start with s/os.environ.get/osutils.get_env/ or something\n I'm sure this will raise some eyebrows...\n 53 matches...\n wrong, 160 matches, there are os.environ[xx] uses\n or just limit the apis that access the environment, and make them locale-sane depending on what we're trying to get out (a path, a flag, etc)\n yeah, second step :-/\n we've still got quite a lot of fiddly little bits of platform-specific code scattered around despite the osutils module\n but I would rather not add this if we don't need to, flag and especially 'etc' shouldn't suffer\n yeah :-/\n I know :(\n right, bug #262874\n Launchpad bug 262874 in Bazaar \"enviroment may not be in get_user_encoding() on Windows\" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/262874\n mgz: so that's not quite user encoding even :-/\n * vila lunch\n that's a semantics-and-implementation thing\n have meant to close that bug out for a while.\n I'll defer to you then ?\n basically, don't worry about that, and assume it's always in the user encoding.\n err, but isn't the \"don't worry\" attitude that led us there ? :D\n not in that case :)\n I'll look into bzrlib.tests.test_transform.TestTreeTransform.test_rename_fails instead (after lunch ;)\n what get_user_encoding does is poorly defined, and on windows we'd be better off with a raw GetACP, but that's basically what it does\n which is also what the mbcs codec uses, so will in the decoding case where all bytes are in the codepage (and it doesn't have to replace invalid ones) do the same thing\n bt.test_transform.TestTreeTransform.test_rename_fails is one I've got fixed vila, though you may want to add your skip_if_root thing to the top as it relies on a permissions failure\n mgz: meh, fixed where ?\n mgz: I thought the problem was to match on the error string instead of the error code those failing on the slave localized in french, but I haven't really dug so far\n Is there a way to checkout/branch just part of a bzr repo? I just need http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol/qa-regression-testing/master/files/head:/scripts/ and the rest of that repository is frickin' huge.\n ScottK: no, you can't (yet)\n Sigh.\n Can the duration of yet be quantified at all?\n hardly\n or rather, it would be shorter to checkout the whole :-}\n Right. Just wanted to know if I should ask again next week or in 2020.\n (this isn't the first time I've missed this feature)\n ScottK: there are several sub parts to address: one being to transfer no more than the last revision. Otherwise getting a subtree once you have part or all of the history is something that 'views' is supposed to address\n ScottK: but I've never played with 'views' myself\n * ScottK nods\n transferring only the last revision may be worked on, I'm not sure, but it's often asked for UDD so it may happen sooner than I think\n vila: so the debuntu stuff was why Windows was failing from the TEMP paths?\n jam: oh ! hi !\n hmm, no, the debuntu stuff revealed itself once I fixed the babune windows slave config\n jam: damn, my history is too short, waitasec\n mgz, jam: For the record, export BZR_SSH=openssh now works for the babune slave *including* using the ssh keys forwarded from the babune master, \\o/\n for the further record, what exactly did you need to change vila?\n hmm\n the ssh server service should be started by the babune user\n starting a service should be allowed from a user with an empty password\n lp key should be registered in the right known_hosts file\n of course none of those admin tweaks could be recorded in a bzr branch :-(\n jam: so, from there, the windows slave suddenly got a launchpad login which triggered the test isolation bug\n vila: why does it need an lp login?\n Is there anything to guess the mime type of a file in the repository, in bzrlib?\n jam: to get rid of some annoying warnings and use the smart server instead of http\n mkanat: I don't believe there is mime awareness inside bzrlib\n jam: Okay.\n vila: is that for the test suite itself? or for other stuff\n All I really would want was something that would check the first few bytes of a file in the repo and guess its mime type.\n I'm fine w/ other stuff, but I'd like to understand what the *test suite* is trying to do\n mkanat: to get the first few bytes basically gets all of them\n so you may as well get the text and send it to \"file\"\n jam: Fair enough. I'm trying to avoid that, though.\n jam: This is for loggerhead, and I want to return a generator that can stream the file, but I also want to have reliably mime-type guessing. I'm going to be doing it based on the file name, but still.\n mkanat: do what you feel is best, just letting you know that we don't extract partial content\n jam: Okay.\n extracting content is probably a O(2x size-of-fulltext deal)\n one for the delta buffer, one for the final text\n Sure, I just don't want it in memory if I can avoid it, as much as possible.\n (and 0.5 for the compressed content of the delta buffer)\n mkanat: 'as much as possible' would probably mean extracting it, writing it to a temp file, streaming from that\n jam: Well, I was just going to return an iter_bytes or whatever it's called.\n mkanat: that just extracts the whole thing, and probably caches all the intermediate stuff until its done\n jam: both, it makes the pulls faster and it gives access from the slave to the master for planned features\n jam: Okay. But will that always be the case? I mean, if bzr improves, I'll get the improvement there too.\n mkanat: I would not expect us to change that for a long time\n jam: including: automated updates for dependencies, upload of artifacts from slave to master, etc\n jam: Okay, well, what about the big-file work?\n mkanat: there is one proposal which might break up big content into smaller chunks, but that is goingto complicate whatever you try to do anyway\n vila: all not test-suite related, afaict. I think it is great that you have it. My concern is why it affected the *test suite*\n jam: But if it's just an iter, it shouldn't complicate anything.\n jam: the test suite doesn't require ssh access, but the slave get its branches from lp (so far). If you look at some old windows runs, you'll notice the lp-related warning\n jam: I suppose the problem is that you have to build the revision text before you can stream it?\n mkanat: well iter_bytes *today* is just [content_string]\n it might change in the future, but that is pretty unlikely at this point\n vila: sure. Though you said \"I fixed the login stuff, and suddenly the test started failing\"\n jam: yes, that's what happened\n vila: hence my concern why external config is affecting the test suite\n jam: you didn't read the fix don't you ?\n jam: the test was getting a launchpad login by accessing the local bazaar.conf in $HOME instead of the empty one we create under TMP\n vila: ah, ok. So the fix should actually remove the dependency. I did read the fix\n which dependency ?\n vila: the existing code accidentally dependend on the users config because it escaped isolation. You noticed the bug because of changing the user config, which prompted you to fix the dependency. Future test runs should be properly isolated from user config. \\o/\n but they are as long as they use TestCaseInTempDir and not TestCase\n these ones are a bit special as in this case they were unexpected successes but I felt it wasn't worth the time to guard against that\n I think I mentioned in the cover letter that they were probably succeeding before because InvalidURL was being raised earlier (while attempting to connect without a proper lp login or something)\n Is there a way to get the size of the content that iter_file_bytes is going to return, or do I just have to get all the bytes and then do len(content)?\n mkanat: tree.inventory[file_id].text_size\n jam: Awesome, thank you. :-)\n when using bzr-pipeline, and switching pipes is there a way a hook can be invoked, i often have *.pyc files that end up cluttering directories that are added and removed, which generates spurious conflicts when navigating up/down the pipe\n mwhudson: Do you know what the motivation was behind choosing SimpleTAL for loggerhead?\n vila: that test will start passing when bug 273978 is fixed, which I have a branch for (unproposed as yet, still needs work)\n Launchpad bug 273978 in Bazaar \"UnicodeDecodeError when strerror is not ascii\" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/273978\n mgz: haaa, good :) Oh yeah, I remember now !\n EOD here (and invited by friends so I'll may poke here far later but that's rather unsure ;)\n it's one of my top things to do before 2.3 now I've sorted the testing unicode stuff, just need a space to bash it in.\n food for me too.\n Wow, bzr really *is* fast, when you use the API right. It's pretty remarkable sometimes.\n I'm doing everything needed to get a file out of the system and send it to the client in 0.05 seconds or less.\n mkanat: simpletal was the fastest reasonable engine at the time, and was used elsewhere, IIRC\n jam: Ah, okay.\n Is that what Launchpad is using also, or is it using something else?\n I think there was a push at one point to use something like Cheetah, which compiles the same syntax into python bytecode\n jam: Yeah, I was thinking Mako actually.\n mkanat: IIRC, simpletal is zope's engine pulled out\n and LP is built on zope\n jam: Ahh, okay.\n So there's also shared expertise.\n right, though using the same syntax with a faster engine would be fine\n It's fine, I don't have any problems with SimpleTAL right now. I mean, no major problems. The templates would be cleaner in Mako.\n I think we wanted to avoid a different TAL\n (template language, if that is actually a bad acronym)\n Yeah.\n mkanat, jam, we went with simpletal because it was fast, and used TAL, which is what Launchpad used, so we where familiar with it\n Okay. I think TAL has some nice advantages, but I wouldn't be super-excited about designing a large system with it. Although I suppose you guys did with LP. :-)\n I like that it forces you to have valid HTML that at least has closing tags and so on.\n And I like the convenience of putting stuff in attributes.\n But I think that after a while, it becomes very difficult to read, with everything in the attributes.\n Although that does encourage you to keep the templates simple.\n It's *very* hard to see the logic flow in a large template with a lot of tal:condition.\n beuno, mkanat: sites like this http://nick.zoic.org/2009/07/29/templates-fugit-3/ doen't make me think simpletal is all that fast. :)\n or this: http://nick.zoic.org/2010/04/\n though I think that is the same guy\n jam: Yeah, another reason I like Mako. :-)\n Besides the fact that it's the best template language I've ever used, possibly tied with the Template Toolkit.\n Well, I think I like Mako more in some ways, though.\n jam, at the time, simpletal was as fast as the other engines we tried out\n I implemented loggerhead in a few different engines\n and our benchmarks where more or less the same or worst\n so we went with that for familiarity\n but, this was... 3 years ago?\n Yeah, I wouldn't imagine that the template language is a primary performance limiter on LP in any case.\n beuno: I can imagine that it would depend a lot on what you were doing with the template\n I do remember the discussions (though not in detail()\n Three years ago, I don't think Mako even existed.\n Does anyone know, did Savannah ever get a helper to help with Loggerhead?\n maxb: Not that I know of.\n mkanat, beuno: My email archives show Mako being mentioned back in 2008-07-09 and also another 2008-07-10 proposal to use SimpleTAL\n jam: I think at that time Mako would have been brand new.\n with mwhudson saying: If we could get the same perf out of genshi, I would prefer it,\n and that simpletal is the \"fastest tree-based engine\"\n (from beuno)\n so the \"Tree-based\" was probably a familiarity factor\n right, I did test genshi, and it was slower\n yes, mwhudson really wanted something tree-based\n he seemed pretty happy with genshi, except the perf sucked :)\n mkanat: anyway, I don't think there is a strict requirement for simpletal, but there should be a strong reason to switch\n since it involves re-building all the dependencies, etc.\n jam: Okay. Yeah.\n mkanat: (so if you find that a page request is 0.1s bzrlib time, and 10s simpletal time, and mako would make that 0.01s mako time, that would be motivating. If it makes it 9s mako time, not so much, or if it is 10s bzrlib time, and 0.1s simpletal vs 0.00001s mako, etc)\n jam: Yeah, for sure.\n jam: I think what I would like about Mako would be the development advantages more than the speed advantages.\n well, you are currently the primary dev on it, but you won't always be :)\n Looking at the differences, I do find TAL to be a bit strange\n the \"replace the current <> with this content\" is odd to me\n * mkanat nods.\n but then again here: http://www.makotemplates.org/\n having:\n % for name in row: ${name}\\ % endfor\n is also really odd\n But much more readable.\n (lines with % are python control, but they output the content of lines that aren't %, etc)\n goes back to why I didn't like PHP\n Yeah, but that quality is pretty much extant in all template languages.\n I was never quite sure what got put out the pipe and what didn't\n I mean, that's pretty much the definition of a template language.\n never quite sure what was wrong with \"\"\"%(data)s\"\"\" % {'data': 'foo'}\n Well, a lot of things.\n One of the cool things that Mako has that no other template language has (that I know of) is inheritance.\n mkanat: I don't mind if you change the template language but...\n mkanat: it will make it harder for lp devs to debug and fix things.\n lifeless: Yeah.\n lifeless: I have no immediate plans to make any major changes like that.\n mkanat: I do seem to remember that rendering time was pretty long for stuff like the 'changes' page. about 50/50 IIRC\n jam: That wouldn't surprise me, I haven't tested that yet.\n jam: Sometimes rendering times are long because we are sending a generator from bzr though, too.\n mkanat: possible, though the bits I saw tend to list(bzr_stuff) before passing them over.\n anyway, glad you're working on it rather than me ATM.\n jam: :-)\n also, glad to see you working on it, period\n you went quiet for a bit, and I wasn't sure what was going on\n jam: I'm really glad you did the history_db stuff, though--I think for the most part that would have been much too high a level of bzr wizardry for me at this point. :-)\n jam: Yeah, some of it was getting contract details worked out, and then some of it was scheduling issues.\n mkanat: thanks, just need to actually get it deployed so it doesn't sit there languishing\n jam: Yeah, I want to deploy it more or less once we're ready for 2.0.\n jam: In any case, now I'm pretty active on loggerhead, and though my actions are somewhat limited, there's still a lot of stuff I'm planning to do.\n hello, i'm trying to help a non-technical friend (she is a scientist, not a programmer) use bzr. she's created an LP account, downloaded bzr for windows, managed to pull source from LP, made a change, and committed it locally\n now she is having issues pushing the branch back to LP\n the error is:\n Run command: bzr push \"bzr push lp:~lindsayvail/streamflow/newheader\\n\"\n bzr: ERROR: Unsupported protocol for url \"bzr push lp:~lindsayvail/streamflow/newheader\n \"\n i guess that's coming from the windows gui tool, which i've never used\n any hints?\n ah, she reports that the command line is working for her\n still, i'd like to know what we might be doing wrong in the windows tool.\n achiang: it at least sounds like she didn't install the lp plugin\n jam: hm, didn't realize that was a required step\n jam: thanks for the clue\n achiang: it is part of the installer\n it can be disabled, defaults to on\n achiang: if she was able to branch from the begininng from an lp: url, then that probably isn't it\n because it would work both ways\n jam: interesting. i don't think she would have turned it off\n the other option\n is that she hasn't informed bzr of what account to use on LP\n I don't remember the gui way to do that\n the command line is \"bzr launchpad-login \"\n nod\n achiang: I would have thought that would give more \"unable to push to http://...\" but it could be a secondary error\n Hi. I had a quick question about bzr's ssh/sftp module. Is it possible to specify a custom ssh identity file (like with ssh -i somefile)?\n#bzr 2010-12-04\n svz90: Easiest thing to do would be to configure it in your OpenSSH .ssh/config file\n maxb: Thanks.\n i've just done a \"bzr add foo\", but before i committed the change i changed my mind and i no longer want to add \"foo\"\n how can i tell bzr i don't want to add \"foo\" anymore?\n rm\n --keep or whatever\n english question: in a commit message like \"reverted changeset xyz\", reverted is past participle, not simple past, right? that is, changeset was reverted, not I reverted it.\n As a commit message it would make more sense to say \"Reverts changeset xyz\" as the message should say what that changeset does. But in the above either works really, not sure which way it would be interpreted by a grammer perfectionist though.\n I'd go with \"revert changeset\" myself. Imperative FTW.\n can it be read, is it usually read, as past participle?\n is it \"undone commit 123.\", \"commit 123 undone.\", or \"undid commit 123.\"?\n 3rd IMO\n there's one guy saying 1st could be read as \"the commit has undone commit 123\"\n and other guys saying \"commit 123 undone\" (\"commit 123 has been undone\") is ok, even though 3rd one is more usual\n vila: Around?\n fullermd: briefly, may I help ?\n I wondered if you've ever seen oddities of selftest on your FreeBSD vm with it locking itself up waiting on a semaphore.\n this doesn't ring any bell, FreeBSD (the babune slave) is on of the most stable (if the not *the* most)\n fullermd: is it something you've seen with an explicit output or only a weird behavior\n ?\n Well, for instance, http://babune.ladeuil.net:24842/job/selftest-freebsd/lastCompletedBuild/testReport/bzrlib.tests.blackbox.test_branch/TestSmartServerBranching/test_branch_from_trivial_branch_streaming_acceptance/?\n That one.\n while being stable it's also quite slow (compared to the others), but I don't have a good explanation for this\n If I run it via 'bzr selftest branch_streaming_acceptance', it runs fine.\n If I just like 'bzr selftest' hit it, it just stops dead. python had 'usem' as a wchan in ps/top. I've let it sit for 4 or 5 minutes, and gets nowhere.\n haaa interesting\n (runs in <3 seconds standalone)\n I've tried running a full selftest a half dozen times, and I keep finding new places further on that it locks down.\n Except last try around, where I foudn another place _early_ on that it started locking. Gruuh.\n so, IIRC, that's a test which runs both a client and a server in the same process\n * fullermd nods.\n All the ones that lock are of that ilk AFAICS.\n I've been suspecting a weird interaction between python and BSDs (including OSX) but other OSes too (but quite differently) but I've never been able to diagnose precisely enough\n weird interaction around sockets\n some double handling of socket state (especially when both sides of the socket are used in the same process)\n but that's only a theory so far... and pretty weak :-/\n Mmm. And you're using --parallel and somehow don't it it?\n (hit it)\n I do use --parallel yes\n well babune that is\n Annoyingly it seems like sometimes it sneaks past it fine. Weird timing stuff; always works when it's part of a short list of tests being run.\n ha, that rings a bell\n Would make it easy enough to work around by running a couple times, if it didn't happen 5 or 10 minutes into a freakin' test run...\n * fullermd is now trying `./bzr selftest -x branch_streaming_acceptance -x test_create_clone_on_transport_use_existing_dir -x RemoteBranch -x RemoteBzr`. Furrfu.\n my suspicion began when there was a bunch of sockets waiting to die which seem to slow the overall run\n which led me to suspect some select() call\n a bit like if python was relying on the OS to sort things out while.... somehow checking until it was happy with sleeps() intermixed... as you can see nothing very concrete\n * vila baktracks\n fullermd: you encounter hangs ?\n Except for me, python ends up waiting on a semaphore of some sort, so it never checks again.\n Well... halting problem. It COULD just be being very very slow, for 4 or 5 minutes, using no CPU and never waking up.\n But it sure smells like... oh, look.\n * fullermd tries a-fscking-gain...\n * vila holds his breath...\n look what ?\n :D\n Oh, it locked itself again a thousand or so tests in.\n what's the flag... -Dthreads -Ethreads ?\n -Ethreads\n It was quite useful when debugging the leaks, but I think it was a but too intrusive and led to some failures (changing the output that some tests are checking), so be careful while encountering failures\n Well, we're 1600-some in to this attempt...\n Aaaand, it does.\n oh yes, lsof !\n lsof was also useful combined with -Ethreads whose output gives the socket references by tests\n both client and server side\n % fstat -p59868 | grep -c tcp\n 212\n That's a couple TCP sockets open...\n that's bad\n so, the other factor here is paramiko which leaves pending sockets\n Not a factor here. I've had paramiko uninstalled for, like, a year and a half.\n but they can't be easily collected as they are internal to pa...\n damn\n one more theory dead\n * fullermd , slayer of theories!\n When you say -Ethreads, does that mean some sort of python internal threads, or does it use OS-level threads?\n python threads\n -Ethreads outputs debug statements at various \"interesting\" points\n There are 3 threads in the hung process. One seems to be sitting in the 'accept' wchan, which I WAG may mean it's sitting in accept(2)...\n * vila hates vbox a bit more every day especially when killing one VM sometimes kill *all* the running VMs\n WAG ?\n Wild-Add Guess\n :)\n one thread for the accept(), one thread for the serving, one thread for the client (usually the main one)\n and by the way, the selftest in running with BZR_CONCURRENCY=4 and the VM has 2 processors configured\n s/in/is/\n Well, I'm not doing any --parallel'ing.\n I got that, just mentioning\n * fullermd nods.\n I'm running a straight selftest right now\n Oh, hey, it locked up only 197 in this time.\n with -Ethreads ?\n Only 16 TCP sockets open this time.\n Trying that out now.\n this... is surprising, I was pretty sure we collect almost all sockets now, except for the paramiko ones (which aren't relevant here)\n you're running bzr.dev there right ?\n Well, locked up, but I guess I should use -v too so's to have some idea where it is...\n Well, technically, this is bzr.dev+someotherchanges. But nothing that would mess with network.\n Well, it dumps a pile of information, but I don't see how it's much useful...\n 2700 tests and running and fstat reports only 'internet stream tcp' lines, that's sockets right ?\n Yah.\n 'sockstat | grep python' should tell you what they are (well, unless you've got a lot of other stuff python running; then grep for the pid)\n it helps making sure the sockets are for past tests not the current ones and it also helps in finding which tests are leaking\n * fullermd frowns.\n Hm.\n I'm trying t selftest --no-plugins now. That seems to clean up after itself pretty fast; I'm in the 500's now and nothing hanging around...\n right, ~4000 here and still no socket leaks (only 3 displayed)\n Oh, well, that was a good theory while it lasted. Locked up.\n out of curiosity, what changes do you keep there ? Are you sure they aren't some gems worth proposing ? ;D\n Well, I WANT to propose them. That's why I want selftest to run :p\n Here's an interesting thing:\n USER COMMAND PID FD PROTO LOCAL ADDRESS FOREIGN ADDRESS\n ha great :)\n fullermd python 60430 4 tcp4 127.0.0.1:39758 *:*\n fullermd python 60430 5 tcp4 127.0.0.1:39758 127.0.0.1:16483\n That's presumably the socket of the current test. One of the threads is waiting in accept. The socket is listening. But there's also a connection made to it.\n That's on a test_pull_smart_stacked_[something]\n yes, could be the client and the accept() or the serving one, -Ethreads should help there no ?\n also, you should certainly see the mirrored one most of the time but if you happened to list while they are killed ?\n OK...\n ...nching.test_branch_from_trivial_branch_streaming_acceptanceServer thread ('127.0.0.1', 31415) started\n Client thread ('127.0.0.1', 10740) -> ('127.0.0.1', 31415) started\n fullermd python 60607 4 tcp4 127.0.0.1:31415 *:*\n fullermd python 60607 5 tcp4 127.0.0.1:31415 127.0.0.1:10740\n fullermd python 60607 6 tcp4 127.0.0.1:10740 127.0.0.1:31415\n 7000 and fstat is still clean as a baby, your 212 number above is still very weird\n Only tcp sockets open for the process.\n So it's got both sides of the connection open. But one thread is still sitting in accept.\n sounds fine\n And it's dead there.\n there is one thread waiting in the accept, spawning a thread for serving each connection and accept'ing again\n dead and staying dead right now ?\n keep it alive !!!!\n Well, it's been a couple minutes...\n seriously,\n this is the dirty bit when shutting down a test server\n what's the test name ?\n ...nching.test_branch_from_trivial_branch_streaming_acceptance\n let me see\n In this case. I don't think it matters though; it's semi-random.\n * fullermd just fired off a selftest in a virgin bzr.dev, just for kicks.\n could be, but I want to look at what kind of test server is involved and show you the relevant code so you may have your own take on it\n (not asking to debug it, but look at the code in a context where it seem to be failing )\n Man, the relevant code is python. My take will be \"Hey, I can just rewrite that in perl...\" :p\n hehe, no I mean as socket code, whatever the language, we're almost doing C there :)\n Remember, any test it's halted on yet, it works just peachy if I run it alone.\n ok, so that's a TestCaseWithTransport so it should be an http server\n Or in a small group. It's only when I run a big enough group (e.g., a full selftest) that it semi-arbitrarily picks a time to lock itself up.\n I've seen very very very weird failures when chasing the leaks\n exactly\n Oh, there went virgin bzr.dev.\n | [1516/24890 in 3m27s, 1 failed] per_branch.test_branch.TestBranch.test_comm..\n bah, showing you the code is a bad idea, too many classes involved\n * fullermd has no class.\n ha, no, have a look at bt.test_server.TestingTCPServerInAThread.stop_server\n the dirty bit I was referring to is defined there: the server is blocked in an accept call, so we 1) tell him to stop acception connections (after getting out of it's current call), 2) give him a dummy connection\n there is also a if debug_threads():... call that you could copy/adapt/add in various points\n I suspect the case you encounter should be in this area but exhibit an unexpected behavior\n 14000 test and still clean\n hmm, IPV6 ?\n All those connections are over 127.0.0.1\n naah, you're running py2.6 right and anyway, I'm pretty sure I've used a variation of the right python code\n we've seen weird things even when using only ipv4 for us, as long as the host is configured for ipv6, (paramiko at least as a bug for this kind of config)\n most of the time we force ipv4 by using 127.0.0.1 but some tests may still use localhost and went unnoticed\n we have some fugitives like that here and there ;D\n Just switch it to force ipv6 by using ::1 instead. If their system doesn't support v6 yet, set it in fire; better for everyone that way :p\n hehe\n 18000 and still clean, babune:~ :) $ fstat -p1004 |wc -l\n 12\n but if you encounter the problem with bzr.dev and --no-plugins that should rule your proposal out :)\n 20000 and raising briefly at ~40 (paramiko), back at 12\n It doesn't seem to [generally] do any notable accumulation of stuff over time. Most of the locks have no sockets except the current ones.\n but when it blocks it's on a socket right ?\n and one in the accept() state ? (with no foreign address ?)\n Yah.\n or are you unsure about that ?\n Well, I'm not _sure_ insofar as I've dug into the stack. But that's what everything looks like.\n so, I encounter weird things when trying the kill-the-socket-with-shutdown approach IIRC\n I tried various ways with mixed results until I ended up giving it a dummy connection and even there I think I tried various tricks before settling on a simple close()\n that's why I suggested adding some sys.stderr.write in this area but if you're blocked on a case where there is no foreign address...\n it kind of means that this last_conn didn't succeed ?\n or did you even not reach reach the point where 'Server thread %s will be joined' ? Or is this message not flushed ? \n I don't recall ever seeing joins on the locks.\n oook\n See the one I pasted ~half hour ago. The \"Client thread started\" is the last thing that shows up.\n As if the server thread sat in accept() waiting for the client thread (which the OS sees as connected), and never got out of accept().\n that part is expected, the server thread has spawned another thread\n what isn't expected is that this spawned thread can't finish (or its related client thread)\n * fullermd sighs.\n the client thread being the main thread\n It sucks trying to figure out why changes were made when you can't ask the maker :|\n so, this kind of hang is the hardest\n which changes ?\n The ones I'm working on cleaning up, which led me to trying selftest in the first place.\n which changes ? :D\n upgrade enhancements.\n ha :-/\n err, may I misinterpreted here, you mean in upgrade.py ?\n Yah.\n qblame mentions only living people, so you should be able to reach them no ?\n Yes, that would be for the existing merged code, not the outstanding unmerged.\n Which is igc :(\n ha, I didn't misinterpreted :-/\n you're digging an old mp ?\n https://code.launchpad.net/~bzr/bzr/smooth-upgrades/+merge/8921\n * vila reading\n by the way, the selftest succeeded here with only: bzrlib.tests.test_smart_transport.TestServerHooks.test_server_started_hook_memory is leaking threads among 2 leaking tests.\n 1 non-main threads were left active in the end.\n hmm, lots of stuff there ;-/ Nice to see you working on it, I should leave now, but I'll be pp next week and will look at anything you'll submit, so feel free to begin with high level questions or even re-start the discussion on the ML\n --pack should be useless, --cleanup I think has been implemented elsewhere, so it's worth having a look at that while it still makes sense to propose it there (I went with a bunch of upgrades lately and could have used it)\n You're thinking of pack --clean-obsolete-packs I think.\n fullermd: that's an interesting mp\n Yeah, it should be a real nice addition to 2.0.0 :|\n :-P\n 's one of the things whose continued absense pisses me off. I don't really have time or inclination to work on it, but I have even less of both to keep not having it. Sigh.\n vila: Just dropped what I could do on it. Enjoy your piloting :)\n if revision x in branch a adds file c, and revision y in branch b adds file d, where d is actually descendant of c... is there a simple way to tell that to bzr after both commits have been made? (both mentioned revisions containing other unrelated changes as well)\n I'm not sure what you mean by \"descendant\". But the answer will be \"no\". Once you've made a revision in the current World Order, it's too late to go back and tell bzr more about it.\n except for uncommit?\n Well, semantics. Even uncommit doesn't change a revision, it just pops things off the top of the history and throws them away.\n There is occasional discussion about ways to _annotate_ information after the fact (specifically to this case, things like equivalences between separate files). But it's all speculative and far-future, which doesn't help anything now.\n well... how about cherry-picking creation of one file from a distant branch?\n You could do that. Being a cherry-pick, it wouldn't record any of the revision info. But it would use the same file-id.\n ah, was going to ask about the 'local oddities' fullermd ran into with the test suite, but I see it's in the history so I'll just read up.\n I'd be interested if lp:~gz/bzr/cleanup_testcases_by_collection_613247 helped though, I recall freebsd has som lower default resource limits than other nixes so leaks could hurt\n hi mgz\n mgz: if you're interested in testrepository, I would love to know if trunk still works on win32\n hm, looks more like 's just theclient-server tests being dodgy still from the log\n lifeless: I'll pull and test.\n thanks!\n mgz: its specifically 'testr run' I'm hacking on\n mgz: I've added a SIGPIPE fixup for unix\n but that may bork win32 subprocess invocations\n hm, some kind of import issue\n I wish the framework didn't hide that stuff\n ?\n ... File \"C:\\Python24\\lib\\unittest.py\", line 532, in loadTestsFromName\n parent, obj = obj, getattr(obj, part)\n AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'tests'\n not useful.\n ah yes\n I filed a bug on python\n and there is one on testtools too\n workaround\n python\n import testrepository\n yup.\n import testrepository.tests\n ...\n * lifeless wags on testrepository.ui.cli\n what are the dependencies explictly?\n I'm failing to find them documented anywhere.\n cat INSTALL.txt\n doh.\n okay, I'll fix up my python path and go again.\n the autotools have kindof devalued that file\n which is a bit sad\n ...\n File \"C:\\bzr\\testscenarios\\lib\\testscenarios\\scenarios.py\", line 26, in ?\n from itertools import (\n ImportError: cannot import name product\n will fix that and see what else I hit.\n so, your sigpipe fixup also wasn't valid 2.4 syntax, but that and a few other things look like easy fixes.\n 17 failures, a bunch look quoting related.\n heh\n some rename-over-existing-file ones.\n feel like filing bugs?\n only if I can't fix 'em.\n cool\n well I'm mid rewrite of run to do parallel test invocation\n hm, so, could either fix the quoting in commands.run, or make it use a subprocess pipe rather than a shell pipe. you got any strong feelings there?\n thats one of the things I'm mid rewrite on\n okay, will leave that one for the mo.\n a test with a tempdir that needs quoting in would be worth adding though.\n the shell=True is for shell expansion\n mgz: please do\n mgz: Yeah, it's not a resource limit. More something squirrel with the sockets. Race or sumfin'.\n wow python-dev has had a lot of long pointless threads of late.\n yeah\n win\n lifeless: I hate DocTestMatches, it's awful. Down to six failures though, four of which are quoting related.\n mgz: :(\n mgz: I'd welcome a more powerful full text matcher\n fullermd: I'd be interested if you give that branch a run anyway, though it probably won't help. I'll do yours in turn to check you've not regresses anything.\n lifeless:\n FAIL: testrepository.tests.test_testr.TestExecuted.test_runs_and_returns_run_argv_no_args\n AssertionError: Match failed. Matchee: \"True True True\n ['b:\\\\temp\\\\tmprbtwer\\\\testr']\n \"\n Matcher: DocTestMatches('True True True\\n[...]\\n', flags=8)\n Difference: Expected:\n I don't see why that's a mismatch, and the output sucks.\n it possibly has an extra newline off the end? who knows.\n the test_bdist was even worse because it prints pages of text every time.\n I don't think the Matcher scheme works well with more than one line of text, the top thingy needs to know about every leaf object to not spam you.\n mgz: it should have printed a difflike thing\n but the matchee is always printed anyway.\n `assertThat(some_giant_thing, WhateverMatcher)` brings pain.\n mgz: that can be changed\n mgz: OTOH its good to be able to see definitional errors\n it's good to be able to see more than the tail of the last failing test's output.\n#bzr 2010-12-05\n jelmer: awake? you grok git, right?\n I've got two branches/repos cloned from the same SVN. I want to merge the latest changes from one into the other. I can generate a patch file and apply that, but it seemed like merge could facilitate this.\n However it's not working and I can't quite tell why. It seems to be mis-identifying files (like using the wrong -p# would)\n I tried using --verbose to maybe get some hints, but that's not helping me in this case.\n Anyone have any pointers?\n Found out my issue was this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/318620\n Ubuntu bug 318620 in Bazaar \"When merging two branches without common ancestry, Bazaar provides no means to map file IDs\" [Medium,Confirmed]\n jeees, bzr just ate all my resources o.0\n oh, only 40% for bzr, vim has 10%. i take it back *g*\n Is there a way I can do a merge and ignore conflicts by using the version in the branch?\n \u00e2\u0080\u008ehey guys, i commited and pushed a first rev, now i wish to remove it and to push a fixed commit. is that possible? i tried using uncommit + push, but it says \"No new revisions to push.\" - any ideas?\n Ddorda: you may be able to --force it, or just sacrifice commit #2\n \u00e2\u0080\u008eKamping_Kaiser: bzr: ERROR: no such option: --force\n Ddorda: --overwrite is what i was thinking of, but hang around, you may get a better one\n \u00e2\u0080\u008eKamping_Kaiser: --overwrite doesn't work either\n \u00e2\u0080\u008eKamping_Kaiser: No new revisions to push.\n Ddorda: this sounds like you're using a checkout (or a bound branch) and in this case you don't have to push as commit already put the new revision there\n mgz: Doesn't change anything; still deadlocks itself with your 613247 branch.\n * fullermd waves at vila.\n \u00e2\u0080\u008evila: and when i use branch and not checkout only after push it really pushes it, right?\n _o/\n Ddorda: yup\n \u00e2\u0080\u008evila: thanks\n \u00e2\u0080\u008e:)\n Ddorda: 'bzr info' is the best way to understand which branches are involved\n \u00e2\u0080\u008eyea, that what i did\n \u00e2\u0080\u008ethanks\n mgz: hey\n hey lifeless.\n when do you think 2.4 will die?\n probably soonish.\n thanks for your branch/bug\n all systems will ship something newer these days, so it's just a question of how many old machines there are.\n for most python packages, assuming 2.6 or 2.7 is reasonable.\n but likewise, not many actually *depend* on any particular new feature, just get written to the modern syntax and style\n right\n testtools explicitly supports 2.4\n so deps for it (fixtures, scenarios) need to support 2.4, until we decide to raise the minimum\n hi lifeless, mgz, spiv\n i'm going to work offline for a while this morning\n mornin all :)\n#bzr 2011-11-28\n jelmer: poolie: fwiw dealing with tarmac failures is ~ the same opaqueness as pqm, from my observations of nontrivial projects that have migrated :)\n :/\n don't know what you're smiling about\n ;)\n habit\n or something\n what does conflicting tags mean on 'bzr pull' ?\n thumper: both sides have a tag named 'FOO', but they disagree on which revid FOO refers to.\n spiv: so how can I say 'pull and use their tags' ?\n --overwrite\n hmm...\n ok\n there is also bug 681792\n Launchpad bug 681792 in Bazaar \"wishlist: bzr pull --overwrite-tags\" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/681792\n (Or delete the offending tag(s) locally and pull again)\n jelmer: thanks\n jelmer: do you understand the package recipes? robert_ancell was asking me about them\n I'm trying again to get the logs of what goes wrong...\n simple question: does http://paste.ubuntu.com/752089/ look correct and are the branches in the correct format?\n I tried to use lp:ubuntu/simple-scan as a packaging branch initially but I don't think it has the correct relationship to lp:simple-scan to work (it had merge conflicts)\n robert_ancell: yes, though I don't think that version of bzr-builder can be entered on launchpad yet\n jelmer, yes, I subscribed to that bug\n robert_ancell: the version looks a bit odd, though with {date} as the debian revision\n Now it is failing with 'dpkg-buildpackage: error: version number does not start with digit' because it pulls out the wrong version number (I was using simple-scan-VERSION tags but I'm now using just VERSION). Any way to delete the old tags on the server?\n robert_ancell: it's fine if the branches aren't related, so long as they don't have overlapping files\n robert_ancell: bzr tag -d lp:simple-scan --delete TAGNAME\n jelmer, yes, been playing around with the version number, needs some work\n jelmer, I have to build with --allow-fallback-to-native - will that work on the server?\n robert_ancell: yes, launchpad has --allow-fallback-to-native enabled by default\n robert_ancell: alternatively, you could tag the upstream version with 'upstream-X.Y', and it would create an orig tarball for you\n or change the package to be native\n ok\n jelmer, any idea when 0.4 will work? Or is there another method of getting the version number in 0.3 I can use?\n robert_ancell: {debupstream-base} might do what you need to\n *too\n jelmer, the issue is that requires me to update debian/changelog right?\n robert_ancell: yes, but only for upstream releases\n robert_ancell: in bzr we e.g. use {debupstream-base}bzr{revno}~daily{revno:packaging} for most packages\n right. For most of the packages I want to do I am upstream and I want to set it up and then forget about it\n robert_ancell: that works for us too, because we end up updating the debian/changelog version when we do a release\n robert_ancell: and then do a matching upload to debian/ubuntu\n jelmer, I know I'll forget to do it :)\n robert_ancell: you're not uploading to ubuntu ? :-)\n (we use the same branch for ubuntu packaging as for the daily PPA)\n jelmer, no, these are daily builds to a PPA for upstream testers\n the Ubuntu packaging has some patches, merges from Debian and may not be running the latest version\n robert_ancell: in that case you'd probably indeed want to wait for the 0.4 support\n jelmer, thanks for the help\n so apparently if you call accept from one thread and connect from another, python can sometimes deadlock in futex()\n nice\n on different sockets?\n on the two sides of the same socketpair\n simulating a server in process\n interesting\n ie this fixes it http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mbp/bzr/2.5-client-reconnect-819604/revision/6209#bzrlib/tests/test_bundle.py\n \"fixes\"\n the loop doesn't fix it, only changing to a nonblocking select\n possibly accept isn't giving up the GIL ?\n seems likely\n i guess i should see if i can reproduce it and file a bug\n it's kind of a stupid thing to do imo\n It pretty clearly releases the GIL in 2.7.2: http://hg.python.org/cpython/file/8527427914a2/Modules/socketmodule.c#l1656\n hm\n In the past all our sockets+threads deadlocks have turned out to be bugs in our logic, not cpython\n :)\n that does seem likely\n but, strace shows one side in accept and one in futex\n ...\n (Although arguably perhaps because the APIs offered aren't as convenient/safe as one might hope?)\n the futex not being released by getting eintr from accept\n when i say it's stupid i mean i think running the server inprocess is a bit likely to fail\n anyhwo\n Well, that shows that one side is in accept, and the other side is stuck in a lock \u00e2\u0080\u0094 quite possibly a lock owned by pure Python code (e.g. a threading.Mutex in a Queue.Queue)\n that is possible\n It would be extremely helpful if strace could magically distinguish between \"Python VM internal lock\" and \"Lock exposed to Python application code\"\n pytrace is pretty good at that\n (gdb + py* macros I mean)\n i was excited for a second there\n i'll try to hit it again and use gdb\n it's inside lock_PyThread_acquire_lock\n ah inside threading.join?\n poolie: doesn't sound like a vm bug :P\n :)\n ah :)\n apparently closing a socket does not interrupt threads that are accepting on that socket\n so that explains why alternating selecting and accepting avoids the problem\n That sounds familiar.\n yeah\n spiv, so basically the patch is reasonable but the explanation is wrong\n hi all !\n hi there vila\n poolie: hmm, what patch and explanation are you talking about ?\n i think i understand why that was hanging\n great ! I'm all ears :)\n https://code.launchpad.net/~mbp/bzr/2.5-client-reconnect-819604\n oops no mp\n I can review that locally, nw\n no apparently that's not everything\n poolie: 'accept from one thread and connect from another' leading to hang rings a 'ipv6' bell\n where one side get an ipv4 socket but the other got an ipv6 one\n may not apply but encountered several times\n pretty sure that's not it here\n also, 'not being released by getting eintr from accept', *only* the main thread get interrupts\n poolie: which test(s) is/are hanging ?\n test_bundle test_smart_server_connection_reset\n at least\n poolie: will it help to focus on getting an external smart server running first and only then look at those failures ?\n mm\n i think no, really\n although i'm down on running the server in process, in this case the bug could have happened the same way externally\n * vila get a weird 'table turned' feeling\n genuine surprise, no smiley there\n poolie: I only get one failure with your branch and it looks genuine: bzrlib.tests.test_smart_request.TestSmartRequest.test_all_registered_requests_are_safety_qualified\n we seem to have a regression that selftest does not exit 1 on failure\n that might be a known bug\n vila, right that seems genuinely out of date with jelmer's changes\n vila, you ran everything and that was the only one?\n yes\n twice\n ha, spoke too soon, the second is hanging at 26507 in 4m50s, 1 failed (hanging test unknown though)\n i wonder if we couldn't have a test fixture that sets an alarm\n which one?\n ok, got it by lurking below /tmp: bzrlib.tests.test_bundle.TestReadMergeableFromUrl.test_smart_server_connection_reset\n that's the one i'm fixing\n that's the one i'm fixing\n vila, i'm adding a config option for a timeout\n for the select ?\n globally\n :/\n how do i actually get a value from the command line?\n for the test ?\n nm\n poolie: from a config stack ? conf.get('mytimeout') but remember those are reset for tests, we may want something like -E (used for debug flags) but for test options\n i think a regular option is ok as long as it's read early enough\n possibly we need a way inside tests to get the real config stack\n if you get the option before the test is started, you're fine\n s/started/create/\n d\n yep, it's ok now\n i wonder if there should be a timeout by default\n perhapsonly from make check\n vila does babune run make check or just selftest directly?\n selftest directly\n why does the test name mentions smart server when no smart server is involved there ? (Or do I misread the test?)\n ha, silly, bzr:\n i wonder if there should be a timeout by default\n a timeout for what ? All socket based requests from the clients ?\n for tests\n well https://code.launchpad.net/~mbp/bzr/test-timeout/+merge/83559\n hmm, lp downtime\n Nearly back.\n back\n Nope.\n err, weird\n heh\n There we are.\n the importer said: down, down... back.. down, down... back\n vila: Ah, yeah.\n It went down for 35 seconds, came back because it failed, then we retried.\n ooh, thanks\n But it was down for the second time when you mentioned it here.\n yeah, I lag :)\n but the importer did cope well, not fallout failures\n poolie: reviewed, BB:tweak\n thanks\n got to go\n back later maybe\n morning all\n mgz: _o/\n * jelmer waves\n hey jelmer\n what's the right way to delete a branch?\n m1sc: delete the directory. there's also `bzr rmbranch`\n mgz: ok. it's a shared repo - the data is garbage collected automatically?\n nope, but it's generally insignificant. if not... I don't think we have a better way than making a new shared repo, mirroring all the branches you care about, then replacing the old repo.\n mgz: bzr rmbranch gives me \"Not a branch..\" oO special syntax required?\n when `bzr info` on the same path tells you it's a branch?\n * mgz just deletes the directories, with shared repos there's not much that can go wrong there.\n mgz: nope, it doesn't. must be my fault, works for other branches.. thank you.\n hmm, it seems that the hpss-call-count test for 'bzr verify-signatures' is spuriously failing\n as in, some runs gives a different value and some runs doesn't?\n rather than just the value being wrong, which wouldn't need much comment :)\n jelmer: yup, was about to mention it, could it be that some variations happens because readv groups differently depending on the compression results ?\n jelmer: in other words: if both 22 and 21 can occur, you may just relax the assertion there to accept both\n vila: yeah, indeed\n indeed as in related to readv grouping ?\n yes, and also indeed: we should just be accepting both\n hehe, double indeed then ;)\n jelmer: yup, spurious, I got 2 failures out of 3 runs locally\n vil: https://code.launchpad.net/~jelmer/bzr/verify-signatures-spurious-hpss-call-counts/+merge/83583\n jelmer: yes, that sort of thing is another reason to remove VFS calls: to make the call counts more deterministic :)\n hello everyone\n am i mistaken (doing something very wrong) or does bzr ignore *.o files by default?\n hi deni\n and is there a way to disable that behavior?\n deni: it does, see ~/.bazaar/ignore\n spiv: :)\n jelmer: oh ok, tnx...didn't realize it\n deni: versioning build artefacts is a very bad idea, what's the reason behind wanting to commit a .o file?\n jelmer: approved\n vila: thanks!\n vila: are you going to post a followup branch to 2.5-client-reconnect-819604 ?\n * jelmer bumps his branch back to needs-review\n dunno :-/ I see your vote *after* posting my 2 comments and refreshing the page\n vila: I posted that vote before you commented\n yup, I realizeD that\n vila: so, with your comments in mind, I think it would be nice to improve the branch\n ok, I'll submit one then\n mgz: i know i know....it's a whole tree of bad ideas that lead to this. :D anyway, deployment reasons\n jelmer: your branch still fails test_smart_request.TestSmartRequest.test_all_registered_requests_are_safety_qualified\n jelmer: with AssertionError: These requests were not categorized as safe/unsafe to retry: ['Repository.get_stream_1.19', 'Repository.insert_stream_1.19']\n jelmer: which is weird as there were more of them earlier this morning (but I haven't precisely tracked which version I used vs what you fixed since then)\n vila: r6124 ?\n vila: err, r6214 ?\n 6215\n but the last one is mine\n test_smart_request.TestSmartRequest.test_all_registered_requests_are_safety_qualified passes here\n and get_stream_1.19/insert_stream_1.19 do indeed have a categorizatin\n urgh, it just passed 8-/\n trying again, that was woth --parallel=fork\n (the failure was for a full run with --parallel that is)\n jelmer: hmm, I've pushed my fix on lp:~vila/bzr/819604-fix-test-bundle\n it may be easier for all involved if you just merge it into your proposal rather than me using yours as a pre-requisite\n safety_qualified failed again\n isolation ?\n lazy loading ?\n I want the result of `bzr branch -rA t t_A; bzr branch -rB t t_B; cd t_A; bzr missing --include-merges ../t_B`. A is a parent of B. Can I do it without needing to create the two branches t_A and t_B?\n `bzr log -n0 -rA..B` does not work when A is not the primary (main-line) parent of B\n `bzr missing` has --my-revision and --revision arguments, but again it seems not to work for non-mainline parents (the docs seem unhelpful for this)\n knielsen: doesn't 'bzr log -n0 -rA..B --exclude-common-ancestry' work ?\n vila: with the same requests?\n jelmer: yes\n * knielsen checking\n vila: pulled into lp:~bzr/bzr/2.5-client-reconnect-819604\n vila: no, it doesn't work. `bzr log -n0 -rA..B` is missing a changeset that `bzr missing` shows (and --exclude-common-ancestry does not help with this)\n * vila curses complicated log implementation\n knielsen: you know branch accepts a --no-tree parameter ? Branches are way cheaper to create this way if you have a big working tree\n the obvious answer would be `bzr missing --include-merges --my-revision=A --revision=B .`, but I could not get this to work, in fact I could not get --my-revision to do anything for some reason...\n vila: yes, probably will need to go with explicit branches and --no-tree\n should be ok, though I need to do this for a couple of 1000 revisions\n if '--revision A --revision B' is accepted, it should translate to '-rA..B' or nothing is really wrong\n knielsen: Don't overlook that you don't need to keep creating new branches for all those thousand. You can just create A and B branches once, and use 'pull' in 'em to reset their revs for each run.\n fullermd: right, interesting idea, might help\n (and with them in a shared repo with your source branch, all those resets will be cheap, since no data needs to be transferred)\n knielsen: 1.000 revisions... I can't imagine what you're trying to achieve...\n hehe. I'm trying to get an overview of a very complicated merge. I have a list of commits that were merged and pushed into a tree in sequence, and I want to for each one know how many revisions were merged in that push\n and I just wanted to try understand how `bzr log` worked with non-mainline revision ranges. But `bzr branch --no-tree` branches several trees per second, so I think that will be plenty sufficient for my needs\n tnx for the help\n knielsen: did you give 'bzr qlog' a shot ? It's pretty good at showing which revisions were merged into each mainline revision\n * knielsen will try qlog also ...\n It may be slow to start (for big & complex histories), but you'll start it only once\n vila: the main thing is that the mainline revisions do not correspond to the pushes into the tree, as there has been no discipline about in which order to merge before pushing\n You can also give several branches and it gives a pretty good view of what has been merged\n knielsen: argh, yeah, makes it hard to understand what is shared :-/\n so I re-constructed a list of the commits that existed in the main tree during time. Many of these commits are not mainline revision, and many main-line revisions are not on the list\n knielsen: append_revisions_only is your friend to converge to such a workflow\n vila: yep :)\n vila: do you have any plugins loaded when running the testsuite?\n jelmer: I ran with BZR_PLUGIN_PATH=-site\n vila: found it - we override verbs in the testsuite, but don't cope with info=\n jelmer: where ?\n vila: override_verb() and disable_verb()\n ha, right, bad cleanup, I see\n vila: can you try again with my last commit to ~bzr/bzr/2.5-client-reconnect-819604 ?\n revno 6217\n running\n jelmer: right fix, confirming isolation issue, note that the proper (and usual way) to do that is to overiddeAttr(request.request_handler) and populate it with a copy (out of scope for your branch)\n jelmer: run succeeded, the fix is good\n I got one spurious failure though:\n bzrlib.tests.per_interrepository.test_fetch.TestInterRepository.test_fetch_parent_inventories_at_stacking_boundary_smart_old(InterDifferingSerializer,RepositoryFormatKnitPack6RichRoot,RepositoryFormat2a)\n with a slightly different error for the client: ConnectionReset: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.\n so reconnecting doesn't help there (despite the hopes)\n yeah, me too\n jelmer: reliably ?\n vila: no, it seems to be spurious\n right, would have been too nice\n ugh, the reconnection branch changes the way our current random failures fail?\n * fullermd . o O ( If they're really random, you can't tell :p )\n they have a limit axis of randomness fullermd :)\n they either pass, or fail in a specific way.\n they don't turn into elephants.\n Well, that sucks. No wonder nobody runs the test suite.\n Without a good payoff like that, it's so not worth it.\n mgz: ugh indeed\n * jelmer thinks the value of elephants is widely overestimated\n How else could we get revision info into pachyderm files?\n fullermd: zlib?\n jelmer: are you nearly done passing all your hpss branches? :)\n * mgz doesn't want to merge trunk for news till he's sure of getting a free slot\n mgz: it's all in the queue now\n cool\n mgz, vila: so, I wonder what we should do about the ~bzr/bzr/2.5-client-reconnect-819604 branch\n cry?\n is the remaining spurious failure worse than what we have at the moment?\n the only way to know is to land it\n why should it be worse ?\n vila: for me, it *seems* to occur more often than the ones currently present, which I can't reproduce at all\n of course that's all totally unscientific, and I don't think we should hold that against it\n vila: but yeah, perhaps we should JFDI and rather than let it sit there for a couple more weeks\n as an experiment I'm running for i in {1..10000} ; do echo $i ; ./bzr selftest -s bzrlib.tests.per_interrepository.test_fetch.TestInterRepository.test_fetch_parent_inventories_at_stacking_boundary_smart_old -v InterDifferingSerializer -Ethreads ; done for bzr.dev revno 6311\n I had 58 failures for 1837 runs so far\n vila: ah, interesting\n more failures when babune run jobs\n but at least it means there is a way to reproduce, slow, painful but reproducing nevertheless ;)\n * jelmer does another merge of lp:bzr\n vila, mgz: can either of you have another look at it again too?\n hmm\n vila: \"merg hokk\", is that Swedish for merge hook ? :P\n sry was afk (cooking), oook ? In the COVER or in the code ?\n Well, we wouldn't want to interrupt your cokking...\n vila: in the cover, so not really something that requires fixing\n arf, in the cover letter ;) Right, tyop, I thought hhtp was too last century ;)\n fullermd: vila is the Swedish chef?\n Dunno. Do you actually cook Swedes? I thought they were better just smoked...\n tagliatelles a la carbonara, more likely to be Italian\n vila: nice work on the po merge hook! submitted a review\n I wish writing these was easier..\n * jelmer calls it a day\n im making some build scripts, and I was wondering if there was a way to get a revison number for just a file or a directory and the files under it? or maybe just a way to tell if thoese files have changed since a specified revision?\n hey bzr, im trying to do bzr lp-propose-merge but it seems to be coughing since im using pipes and colo\n bzr: ERROR: file:///home/alex/Code/unity/.bzr/branches/rip-out-ap/trunk/ is not registered on Launchpad\n any ideas?\n do i just need to push my first pipe (which is just a clone of trunk) to lp?\n hi poolie, jelmer\n has Markdown support landed on LP yet?\n hi lamalex\n hi Noldorin\n Noldorin: this isn't really the right channel for that question\n hola jelmer\n noldorin: the lp folks are working on markdown support?\n jelmer, true, but it's not that inappropiate either ;-)\n jelmer, they are indeed. poolie for one\n jelmer, how are you coming along on bzr-git anyway? i'm looking forward to the repo fix i want as a christmas present :-)\n Noldorin: sorry, lots of other more important stuff to fix first..\n :( :-(\n jelmer, what's so much more important, i want to know?\n this seems like a MAJOR bug...it prevents the most basic functionality of bzr git on some repositories\n and not even very special repositories\n for me, this would be #1 priority... i struggle to think of a more important one\n sorry, i just find it hard to believe :-S\n Noldorin: push support in bzr-git is still experimental, the focus is on importing from git into bzr at the moment\n jelmer, oh is that right?\n Noldorin: in addition, you're hitting a particular corner case\n jelmer, sorry didn't know\n jelmer, i'd dispute calling it a \"corner case\" (seems fairly simple), but i can accept that git -> bzr importing is more important :-)\n Noldorin: I use dpush on a regular basis and I've never hit that particular issue.\n jelmer, oh well. maybe i'm jsut strange ;P\n Noldorin: I'm not trying to say the bug doesn't matter, but there's more things that deserve attention. This is just one.\n jelmer, no no, i concede that. now that you've stated that git to bzr importing is your main goal\n jelmer, i'm going to hope, but not expect, for new year :-P\n Noldorin: There's a good chance there'll be one in a month or so ;p\n fullermd, oh yes? that's good to know :-P\n fullermd, you work on bzr-git too huh?\n Never touched it.\n oh\n how do you knwo good chance ina month or so then? :-P\n 15:40 i'm going to hope [...] for new year\n 'cuz I can read a calendar ;p\n fullermd, yeah but that's making the bold assumption that my hope is a liklihood :-P\n Well, unless the world ends, it's going to be hard to NOT wind up with a new year in about 5 weeks.\n (I don't rule that out, to be sure. I just hope there's enough warning to make popcorn.)\n fullermd, oh dear. you were making a cheesy joke by taking my sentence out of context. i just saw :-P\n fullermd, makes sense now at least.\n It does? That should worry you...\n heh\n perhaps\n but not too much\n hi all\n hi poolie\n hello\n jelmer, the reconnect thing still has some logical conflicts with your new hpss verbs\n i'll try to fix them up and send it\n 'evening poolie, GRiD\n poolie: the ~bzr -owned version? That merges lp:bzr fine here\n jelmer: logical, not textural\n texual\n bah\n textual.\n lifeless: oh, right.. logical and logical conflicts...\n specifically some tests fail because your new verbs do not specify whether they can be safely retried\n anyhow i will finish it today\n poolie: are you sure you have the last revision? vila and I had it pass the full testsuite today, including the HPSS stuff\n jelmer, no i probably don't\n i was just talking about my last result yesterday\n if you guys fixed that, do land it\n or perhaps you already did\n ah, cool\n poolie: actually, vila had some follow-up to your blocking-accept fixes, and I did some conflict resolution\n poolie: it should be ready to land, but if you'd like to have another look at the recent changes, that'd be great\n ok i will\n#bzr 2011-11-29\n ok back to memory usage\n so much state to pick up\n hi all, hey poolie\n hi there vila\n hi jam :)\n * jelmer waves\n morning all\n hey mgz\n poolie, vila: standup?\n oh hi\n was having so much fun\n good idea\n mgz, jelmer, poolie: I found the pad for last week standup, will post it (thought I did...) as well as the one for this week\n ok thanks\n so... I guess for the installer work I need access to the ec2 instance and urk, probably something other than just ssh\n probably you do\n do you have an AWS account?\n nope.\n standard signup okay?\n vila: I've got a pending MP for bzr-upload from October, I was wondering if you'd seen it: https://code.launchpad.net/~jelmer/bzr-upload/only-strip-slash/+merge/80111\n err, yeah I saw it, I thought I merged it 8-/ Let me check\n hmm, obviously I didn't...\n mgz, hm, i might need to send you credentials\n i don't think you actually have to sign up\n jam1, hi?\n poolie: that might be better, otherwise they want card etc from me\n I may have trouble till PSU gets delivered, as I lack windowsy things currently\n poolie: hi\n jam, could you help mgz get the windows ami going so he can build an installer etc?\n poolie: sure, mgz, you around?\n urk\n that's enough\n jam if you want you could read https://code.launchpad.net/~mbp/bzr/890085-add-bytes/+merge/83735\n it doesn't directly improve anything though\n was kinda hoping it would\n perhaps will leave it on the shelf until it's more clearly useful\n jam: I'm around but what will I need this end? A spider did for my windows machine.\n rdesktop will do\n mgz: yeah, its on an ec2 instance\n poolie: did you want to make add-bytes have a prereq of BigString so that the review is simpler?\n or you want them together\n it's actually independent\n i rebased it out\n ..\n perhaps lp needs to be told\n jam, should be better now\n the web page looks good\n the email didn't\n i think it doesn't always email updates\n not sure of the logic\n poolie: so we actually need to change the Pack code to take a [chunks] parameter instead of a 'bytes' one.\n i know\n i'd really better go\n i know this isn't sufficient by itself\n i hoped it would show an incremental improvement but apparently not\n I'll comment on why it isn't sufficient, have a good night.\n i'm a bit surprised there is nothing though\n i do understand other stuff is joining up the strings\n poolie: well, we have to ''.join() the zlib chunks to pass it to the pack parameter\n and then we delete the chunks\n so there is one peak\n then the pack code does it *again*\n and we have the second peak\n we have to get rid of both\n yep\n got that\n so mostly for this review i'm hoping for \"not wrong\" and \"in the right direction\"\n jelmer: sorry, in parallel with your review, I realized I missed the points you re-raised, was about to say so in the proposal ;)\n hello\n who is responsible for http://bazaar.launchpad.net?\n today's Xubuntu CDs failed to build because http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/platform.precise/ ceased to exist\n but https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.precise exists, and bzr pull works fine, etc.\n pitti: #launchpad in general\n Peng: ok, will try there, thanks\n pitti: I have a feeling a $platform forgot to be expanded.\n $platform vs platform, etc.\n Ooh, good catch\n http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.precise/ works\n And https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/platform.precise does not exist.\n yeah, you can go to: https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds to see what branches exist underneath it.\n oh, I see\n pitti: Sorry for the hopping back and forth.\n sorry, missed that\n I'll go back to poking the cdimage folks then :)\n actually, it seems it's meant to be like that, it just had trouble reading http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/platform.precise\n but that works, so maybe it was just a glitch; I'll retry the build\n pitti: ~ubuntu-core-dev/.../platform.precise is not the same as ~xubuntu-dev/.../platform.precise\n \"(10:42:12 AM) pitti: today's Xubuntu CDs failed to build because http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/platform.precise/ ceased to exist\"\n jam: right, as I said I just misunderstood the logs\n ah, ok\n the names are pretty similar\n it apparently tries to pull the \"platform\" seed for both the derivative and ubuntu\n vila: np, I figured you just missed it\n and both failed, I just looked at the wrong one\n jelmer: ping, po_merge options registrations,\n good catch (my god, what was I thinking !), but lazy won't gain us anything here\n it's useful only it it helps *not* loading additional stuff from the plugin but nothing is required here\n importing config is required but it is also required to register the options anyway\n vila: it prevents running the constructor of the option objects, not sure how heavy that is\n and potentially having to import whatever method is used for from_unicode\n Option() constructor should be << import config time, if a specific from_unicode method is needed, yes, lazy should be used to get access to it\n overall, I should use lazy to set a good example :) Will fix\n ahh, a windows machine, it's been so long...\n (well... since thursday)\n ...a java update is available, okay, novelty has worn off\n mgz: probably a TZ update :-}\n jelmer: are bug #894461, bug #368717 and bug #608640 fix released or not ? tool/check-newsbug.py is confused :)\n Launchpad bug 894461 in Bazaar \"HPSS call for Repository.pack\" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/894461\n Launchpad bug 762330 in Bazaar \"duplicate for #368717 lightweight checkout over hpss is slow, many roundtrips\" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/762330\n Launchpad bug 608640 in Bazaar \"bzr export from remote branches downloads way more data than it should\" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/608640\n the duplicate is weird in itself but what about the others ?\n vila: I've marked #894461 fixreleased\n vila: it's debatable whether the other two are fixreleased yet\n the HPSS branch for Repositor.iter_files_bytes is the first part of it, I consider the HPSS call for Repository.iter_inventories also necessary for it\n * vila nods\n hi\n hi zyga\n is there any way to speed up accessing bzrlib.branch.Branch().nick on a checkout?\n it takes veery long, much longer than revno() which is the other thing I'm intereted in\n zyga: there has been some talk on making branch.Brnach().nick only access the local branch, and synchronising it on \"bzr up\"\n zyga: in the mean time, you can use:\n bzrlib.branch.Branch._get_nick(local=True)\n oh!\n excellent\n how will that differ from the other method?\n will it raise exceptions or return out-of-date data?\n it only accesses the local branch nick, not the remote one\n so you'll also have to explicitly set the local branch nick\n * zyga checks what it does on his branches\n hi\n hi hrw\n I have question (again). probably one of stupid ones. I have lp:~hrw/ubuntu/precise/gcc-4.6/cross-fixes branch and want to generate diff against lp:ubuntu/precise/gcc-4.6 branch. is there other way then fetch both and then diff directories?\n hrw: in theory you could do the diff without downloading the branches. with the current smart server deployed on Launchpad, that will probably be about as slow as actually pulling down the branches.\n jelmer: first branch I already have on disk\n s/have/had\n I fetched second one and diffed dirs\n have to experiment with bzr-colo later\n as with git I would have both in one .git\n bb in ~20 minutes\n hrw: yes\n hrw: bzr diff --old one-branch --new other-branch\n hrw: you can skip either argument if you are in a branch already\n hrw: you can fetch into a shared repository without trees, that should have the same behaviour as bzr-colo or a single .git directory\n bzr init-repo --no-trees gcc; bzr branch lp:~hrw/ubuntu/precise/gcc-4.6/cross-fixes gcc/cross-fixes; bzr branch lp:ubuntu/precise/gcc-4.6 gcc/4.6\n jelmer: I think hrw already has a shared repo for gcc\n so he has 99% of the data locally already\n also, with 'bzr diff' you don't need trees\n zyga: in that case, I don't understand why bzr-colo / .git would are better\n jelmer they are not\n they are identical\n jelmer: I have a feeling that when I ask about bzr and branches I will always see 'bzr init-repo --no-trees' ;)\n zyga: lp:linaro-gcc != lp:ubuntu/gcc-4.6\n hrw: sure but they may share ancestry\n zyga: they have one thing in common: 3 letters in branch name ;D\n jelmer: will try your stuff\n hrw: '3 letters in branch name' seriously ? Not a single revision is shared ? parallel imports ?\n vila: lp:linaro-gcc is copy of gcc source code. lp:ubuntu/gcc-4.6 is debian/ubuntu packaging for gcc-4.6\n like you would compare linux kernel and qt5 repos\n jelmer: is there actually a dulwich 0.8.1 release? I didn't see a tag for it.\n oh, upstream and packaging-only branches ? sry, missed that detail\n ..there is... I just don't have the tag\n mgz: ah, you're trying to build the windows installers?\n yes and it's all your fault >_<\n ...I have one that now works with `bzr info git://...`\n mgz: what about \"bzr clone git://\n ?\n I'm not sure much network activity bzr info generates\n jelmer: bug #897690 filed for ObjectNotLocked on jubany\n Launchpad bug 897690 in bzr-builddeb \"bzrlib.errors.ObjectNotLocked raised when calling _mark_native_config\" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/897690\n jelmer: I think I have a fix (testing)\n yup, seems to work, proposing\n also works, but tells me 'clone' is deprecated :)\n vila: ah\n jelmer: https://code.launchpad.net/~vila/bzr-builddeb/897690-object-not-locked/+merge/83790\n with hopefully enough explanations\n vila: looking\n vila: I think you're missing one of the return paths in _default_config_for_tree\n vila: (still returns 2 elements in the tuple rather than 3)\n crap, you're right\n vila: other than that, it looks good to me\n jelmer: including the debian/changelog ? Not sure if I got this right\n missed return path fixed\n though it is slightly odd that path2id doesn't require a read lock..\n it does\n it has a @needs_read_lock decoratr\n tor\n vila: right, but's slightly surprising imo\n yeah, was about to guess a rationale but ended up with a poor one :)\n vila: not sure if this needs mention in the changelog btw, the regression isn't in any releases\n but anyway, digging this route won't address the current issue so I punted\n ha, so I just remove that and merge to lp:bzr-builddeb ?\n vila: right - +1ed\n ECANTPARSE :)\n vila: yep\n ha\n vila: approved :)\n done, deploying on jubany (including a newer bzr.dev as you've fixed set_root_id(not None) which needs to be deployed too)\n bah, of course, chromium-browser is running... shudder\n s/running/imported/\n hmm, tiplog fall in the infamous 'access self.branch.control_transport on a smart branch' trap :-/\n vila: it seems tiplog has no choice but to fallback to VFS anyway though\n when it's pushing stuff, etc\n yeah, was thinking along the same lines, I never realized it was pushing a file to lp though which is... surprising,\n I thought lp was strict about which files were allowed...is *anything* allowed below .bzr ?\n scary\n vila: yes\n vila: but don't dare creating a file outside of .bzr\n I haven't looked closely, but the trap is really that even if it doesn't *need* the control_transport later, ensure_real has fired anyway\n vila: the scanner will without warning delete your branch\n ha good\n uploading windows installers now.\n vila: did you run the testsuite before landing?\n vila: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/86194438/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-i386.bzr-builddeb_2.7.9%2Bbzr649~oneiric1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz\n nope, I only tested on my case :-/\n fixing\n fixed\n jelmer: pushed, really sorry about that :-/\n vila: no worries, thanks for fixing the other bug\n which was a regression in *my* code :)\n what I don't quite get is why it didn't trigger earlier but I suppose there are more code paths\n than the one used on the importer\n I say that, was wondering why it prompted for password, and after uploading everything now it says there was an auth problem\n mgz: enable js ;-p\n (just kidding)\n I don't really see how curl is meant to be doing auth here, presumably via the single sign on somehow?\n curl ? Is that the recommended way ? Isn't there a script that will use lp API ?\n the script uses curl, I'm guessing there's no lp api for uploading files\n note that I don't know what I'm talking about here...\n lp:bzr-windows-installers ./upload_to_launchpad.py\n ok, I reverse my advice: Are you sure this script is used ? :0p\n jam manages it!\n so it must work somehow.\n mgz: --user USERNAME:password\n okay, that worked, need to manually enter lp email address and pa... each time\n but yes, Launchpad lets you post your entire document before it tells you your password is wrong\n or not, like that\n it is because uploading the file is a POST\n which doesn't validate the info until the post has finished streaming the body.\n or three whole documents, in the last case, because the curl output wasn't flushed :)\n hm, I didn't add '-1' in the filenames\n do I really want 20 minutes more upload time to fix that...\n is it really that much?\n nope, you have an allowance of 3 bad uploads across 2 releases as the new maintainer :)\n ghaaaa Alarm clock\n time to wake up vila!\n hehe, I wasn't sleeping, I was thinking !\n while debugging a test and the new test timeout triggered losing my context ;)\n I'm probably not the last to fall into this trap ;)\n ehehe\n yeah, need to cancel out on pdb break in I guess\n mgz: yup, my thought exactly (but invading pdb.break is hard, TestCase.debug on the other hand...)\n not sure what to do about my last git related issue from earlier\n I guess I could put up the patch I used ripping setuptools out of dulwich, on moral grounds\n but looks like losing the `./setup.py test` thing might upset some people\n and I didn't record the exact failure but just hacked around it as it was clearly setuptools sucking as usual\n jelmer: if you have any thoughts^\n basically dulwich didn't work with buildout till I made it believe setuptools didn't exist as it was installing to a path it objected to for whatever reason\n there's probably a buildout level fix but I didn't try and find it.\n bingo, 13 failures less on jubany (if only new ones could stop appearing ... ;)\n mgz: hmm\n mgz: dulwich' setup should work without setuptools, can't you remove it on your local system?\n the build bot needs it for other things, I can possibly kill it at the correct level next time\n \\o/ 'bzr checkout' and 'bzr checkout --lightweight' are now VFS-free\n what's the best practice for merging a feature branch to a mainline while preserving history of each changeset in the feature branch, without rebasing? I rebased a mainline on a project last night, and now I feel a bit icky.\n ...just merge it?\n mgz: right, tried merging, resolving conflicts, then committing, but I want to preserve the diffs per-changeset on the feature branch on my mainline. If I push my merge to launchpad, and I view history, IIRC, I don't see this.\n supton: that history is still there, you can view it with e.g. \"bzr qlog\" or \"bzr log -n0\"\n so I uncommitted a merge and had the mixed luck of thinking, I'm the only one using the mainline, why not just rebase it from my dev/feature branch.\n jelmer: cool.\n * supton needs to figure out what plugin qlog is in\n it's part of qbzr.\n now, I need to figure out how to undo my rebased branch pushed to lp, so I can do this right\n mgz: thanks\n but just for the history of the last merged change, try `bzr log -c-1 -n0 BRANCH`\n I wonder if I can rebase back to a common revision, then merge properly?\n I shouldn't have pushed this, but for lack of sleep, I did\n `bzr uncommit lp:PROJECT` works, you just want to be quick enough that no one pulled yet :D\n (otherwise, it's not the end of the world, and you can just leave the merge proper in next time)\n sometimes with very messy branches you're better off flattening them, like `bzr merge ../FEATURE && bzr revert --forget-merges && bzr commit --author contrib@example.com -m\"...description of change...\"`\n mgz: sounds like a plugin...\n mgz: good idea, thanks.\n I despair of ever getting this guy to set up a http smart server correctly.\n hi\n hi tkamppeter\n I have cleaned a file from UTF-8 characters to make it pure ASCII and then committed it to bzr+ssh://till-guest@bzr.debian.org/bzr/pkg-cups/cups/debian-trunk.\n Then the bzr client crashes with a traceback:\n bzr: ERROR: exceptions.UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 349: ordinal not in range(128)\n Traceback (most recent call last):\n File \"/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/bzrlib/commands.py\", line 946, in exception_to_return_code\n return the_callable(*args, **kwargs)\n File \"/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/bzrlib/commands.py\", line 1150, in run_bzr\n ret = run(*run_argv)\n File \"/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/bzrlib/commands.py\", line 699, in run_argv_aliases\n return self.run(**all_cmd_args)\n File \"/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/bzrlib/commands.py\", line 721, in run\n return self._operation.run_simple(*args, **kwargs)\n File \"/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/bzrlib/cleanup.py\", line 135, in run_simple\n self.cleanups, self.func, *args, **kwargs)\n File \"/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/bzrlib/cleanup.py\", line 165, in _do_with_cleanups\n result = func(*args, **kwargs)\n File \"/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/bzrlib/builtins.py\", line 3316, in run\n lossy=lossy)\n File \"/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/bzrlib/decorators.py\", line 217, in write_locked\n result = unbound(self, *args, **kwargs)\n File \"/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/bzrlib/workingtree_4.py\", line 209, in commit\n result = WorkingTree.commit(self, message, revprops, *args, **kwargs)\n File \"/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/bzrlib/decorators.py\", line 217, in write_locked\n result = unbound(self, *args, **kwargs)\n File \"/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/bzrlib/mutabletree.py\", line 210, in commit\n *args, **kwargs)\n File \"/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/bzrlib/commit.py\", line 289, in commit\n lossy=lossy)\n File \"/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/bzrlib/cleanup.py\", line 131, in run\n self.cleanups, self.func, self, *args, **kwargs)\n File \"/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/bzrlib/cleanup.py\", line 165, in _do_with_cleanups\n result = func(*args, **kwargs)\n File \"/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/bzrlib/commit.py\", line 440, in _commit\n self.rev_id = self.builder.commit(self.message\n How can I commit this file? Problem is probably that the diff between the old file and the new file contains non-ASCII characters.\n amusingly despite all that, I don't see the bit of the traceback I need\n !pastebin\n For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.\n for future reference tkamppeter\n mgz, http://paste.ubuntu.com/753917/, with calling command.\n Bazaar (bzr) 2.4.2 on Oneiric with Python 2.7.2.\n how did you supply the commit message? are you using bzr-builddeb or did you manually enter it with an editor?\n retrying with `bzr commit -m \"A message that's really just ascii\"` will probably work,\n mgz, seems that bzr-builddeb is in use and already pre-configured, as \"bzr commit\" does not open an editor if I commit in that repository.\n okay, what bzr-builddeb version?\n \"bzr diff\" output is on http://paste.ubuntu.com/753921/.\n I will try the -m metyhod now ...\n nope, don't.\n you probably just need to update bzr-builddeb\n the file is a red herring, it's 'Martin-\u00c3\u0089ric' causing the problem (which is fixed in the latest bzr-builddeb version)\n bug 853664\n Launchpad bug 853664 in bzr-builddeb \"tries to decode debian/changelog as ascii, and fails when it's not\" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/853664\n mgz, thank you. Used the \"-m\" to not need to wait for the update.\n hmm, I don't think that's actually released yet\n ...you marked it as such though!\n ah, it's in 2.7.9\n jelmer: that's where the version markers in launchpad are useful :)\n mgz: unfortunately it's not possible to assign a closed milestone to a bug\n mgz: which is often useful after the release has happened\n there's a (slow, manual) trick to that\n re-activate the milestone, set the bug to it, re-de-activate the milestone\n hi all\n hey poolie\n hi there\n hey guys.\n hi grid\n jelmer, bug 806904 says you committed a fix. is this likely be working on launchpad soon then? if there's something left you do and you can point me in the right direction, i can take a look.\n Launchpad bug 806904 in Launchpad itself \"Mercurial import fails from Google code\" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/806904\n i realize now that i'm getting a different error than the one in this bug. but it is a failing google code import.\n http://launchpadlibrarian.net/85941722/weyrick-crack-lang-trunk.log\n \"something left to do\", rather. i'm not sure how much of this is bzr vs. launchpad code. i suppose a first step is trying a local import with the latest bzr-hg.\n that's generally useful\n actually that would be highly useful to see if you can reproduce it locally\n then we can update it in lp\n yep ok i'll give it a shot in bit here.\n GRiD: the hg import is still very much beta at this point, so I wouldn't be surprised if there are multiple issues affecting one import\n question: on mac...does bzr know about resource forks?\n jelmer, ok. well i'll see what happens when i try locally. does it work well enough to rightly be offered as on option on launchpad at this point, then?\n nup\n GRiD: bug #889530\n Launchpad bug 889530 in Launchpad itself \"mercurial imports should be marked 'beta'\" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/889530\n AuroraBorealis: no\n jelmer, ah ok :)\n#bzr 2011-11-30\n hi all !\n * fullermd waves at vila.\n morning all\n mgz: morning\n vila: what are you up to today?\n udd stuff mainly\n on a related note I'm also up to 48 ;)\n surely not!\n since 17 minutes to be precise\n grr\n 18\n clocks are conspiring to make me tyop now ?\n I'll probably lose my internet access today, hopefully no longer than 1/2 hour, I may even be able to warn here first\n mgz: ha, *asking* if there was a problem was needed to trigger the reconnect :)\n only 15 minutes downtime though :)\n yeah, no I need to restore wireless and phone though\n now\n hmm, got the phone but still no wifi, lunch break, will obviously work better after that ;)\n Hm, I've got no wifi either. Maybe that means I should eat..\n What advantages does bzr have over git?\n hey all. i'm wondering if i could get a little help doing a merge.\n i'm trying to 'bzr merge-upstream' with lp:ubuntu/python-boto\n smoser: hi, you're welcome\n python-boto exhibits bug 883207\n Launchpad bug 883207 in bzr (Ubuntu) \"bzr reports huge differences compared to 'diff'\" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/883207\n and the merge reports a bunch of conflicts that are just silly.\n vila, thank you ;)\n ha, hmm, sounds like a parallel import again, right ?\n maybe..\n can you pastebin the output of 'bzr conflicts' ?\n i'm perfectly willing to just say \"bzr merge-upstream\" and take upstreams' version of any file.\n in this case, 'bzr resolve --take-other' should get you pretty close to what you're after\n vila, i can... but you can very easily see the same thing as me. (bzr branch lp:ubuntu/python-boto && cd python-boto && bzr merge-upstream )\n hmm.. am I doing something wrong or is this a real bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bzr/+bug/898179\n Error: ubuntu bug 898179 not found\n argh.. it's private atm..\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/754921/\n smoser: branching...\n ok, public now\n https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bzr/+bug/898179\n Ubuntu bug 898179 in bzr (Ubuntu) \"bzr crashed with UnicodeDecodeError when using dailydeb command\" [Undecided,New]\n smoser: merge-upstream'ed, looking\n so --take-other is probably pretty close to what i want. i can go forward with that.\n however, it has the issue on some files as reported in 883207. it thinks some files have been deleted and replaced with the same content.\n and i would really like to fix this branch so it doesn't do that any more.\n Wellark: I think that's a dupe of a bug mgz fixed earlier\n as its really annoying.\n Wellark: what version of bzr-builder are you running?\n smoser: so, the root issue is that to track renames, bzr assign a file-id when a file is first added\n smoser: when it happens for the same file in two separate branches, we call it a 'parallel import'\n yeah, i'm not sure what got it into this situation, and quite likely the source of the problem is typing this sentance.\n smoser: when these two branches are merged, bzr (so far) fail to realize that these two files are really the same\n but i'd like to get it fixed, and am willing to do some hacks now to get there.\n 'bzr resolve --take-other' removes the file-id present in the branch and takes the other one\n so if you keep merging from the same branch, you shouldn't encounter the same issue\n well that is good enough for me.\n the long term fix is to allow both file histories to be merged\n smoser: let me know how it goes for the *next* merge-upstream\n smoser: and if you're subscribed to the udd mailing list, there is a thread about collecting such issues/recipes\n smoser: called 'UDD: categorising and working around common issues'\n vila, thanks.\n one other thing as punishment for your helpfulness\n i just did merge-upstream... resolve --take-other...\n then 'bzr commit'\n and it did not ask me to add a message\n it did the same thing as debcommit would have\n which is not what i wanted (non-interactively taking the debian changelog entry)\n jelmer: is that ^ Riddell patch striking ?\n vila, smoser: yes, that's fixed in bzr-builddeb trunk\n in other words, trunk now has it disabled by default and you have to explicitly enable it\n pfew, lucky me ;)\n in older versions of bzr-builddeb the option defaults to True, but you can disable it\n jelmer, ok. i'm bzr-builddeb 2.7.9ubuntu1\n but, thanks.\n is there a way to explicitly request edit ?\n i guess i can just type a message and use --file\n smoser: set \"commit-message-from-changelog = False\" in bzr-builddeb's config, e.g. ~/.bazaar/builddeb.conf\n thanks to everyone. i have to say, that i find #bzr to be probably the most immediately helpful channel that i frequent, followed closely by #launchpad.\n jelmer: the one which comes from oneiri repositories\n lemmecheck\n jelmer: 0.7.1-0ubuntu1\n Wellark: It's fixed in 0.7.2, which is in oneiric. I've just marked your bug as a dupe.\n hm, bzr-builder doesn't have an exposted version number?\n mgz: it does in 0.7.2 :-)\n and hey, you're talking about exactly the same bug I was just reading mail on\n 0.7.2 is probably still in proposed\n bug 837741 is the one.\n Launchpad bug 837741 in bzr-builder (Ubuntu) \"bzr-builder has to call .decode on get_maintainer() output\" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/837741\n I'll grap it there\n jelmer: I see 0.7.2 for precise, but not for oneiric\n Wellark: sorry, my bad. I meant to say precise\n I'll just grab the trunk directly\n np\n Wellark: 0.7.2 is indeed not in oneiric. You should be able to grab it from the bzr daily build PPA or install it in ~/.bazaar/plugins manually.\n yeah, I go manual\n or not.. apparently I have to upgrade bzrlib, too\n daily PPA, here I come :)\n Wellark: it's ppa:bzr/daily\n Wellark: I'm surprised you would need a newer bzrlib though, did you get an error of sorts?\n hey, on the ubuntu bugs index page for a package it tells you what versions are in what series, hadn't noticed that before\n vila, i just realized that 'take-other' didn't get me my bin.moved directory\n so i'm missing a bunch of bin/ files.\n suggestions on thta ?\n bin.moved was put out of the way and 'bzr rm'ed' , so either you move the files you want back into your branch and add them again (suboptimal)\n or you come back to the state after 'bzr resolve' to cancel the removal of the files you want to keep\n ghaa, this sounds horribly complicated :-/\n smoser: did the above make sense or should I explain more ?\n i can easily reproduce the prior-to-resolve state.\n vila: yeah, we really should address parallel imports at some point..\n ok\n so how would i 'cancel the removal' ?\n smoser: justasec, trying locally\n right,\n so, you 'bzr mv bin.moved/* bin' to say : I want to keep those\n i didn't do that, but i can.\n it will fail for s3put, leave it for now, do 'bzr mv bin.moved/*admin bin' to get the missing ones\n and there was one file i think that existed in both.\n right.\n *now*, if you do 'bzr resolve --take-other' you'll notice that it says: deleted bin.moved/s3put (and deleted bin.moved)\n so the original bin and bin/s3put are the only ones deleted\n you may want to do the same for ec2/*.moved/*\n s/may/probably/\n ok.. so what do i do about the conflicts ?\n what i've done before, which probably got us into this situation was 'bzr rm, bzr add'\n EEEEEERK !\n :)\n never ever do that :)\n well bzr rm seemed like the only way to get the original outof the way.\n That's exactly the cause indeed, not a parallel import but a remove/add pair breaking the rename tracking :)\n as 'bzr mv --force' isnt a thing.\n when do you need to get the original out of the way ?\n because its different than the right version\n and 'bzr mv' wouldn't do it.\n the content ?\n yeah\n so you got .THIS .OTHER .BASE ?\n and conflict markers in the file /\n s!/!?!\n bzr diff ./boto/ec2/autoscale.moved/group.py ./boto/ec2/autoscale/group.py\n as an example.\n if .moved appears somewhere, there was a conflict on the name (abusively called content conflict)\n resolve --take-other should do the right thing\n oh\n resolve --take-other boto/ec2/autoscale/group.py\n in this case\n either path can be used, which one you use doesn't change the result\n ok.\n i understand the 'rm and add' are bad, but from other rcs (ie git) the result is still sane.\n yup\n because renames are not tracked\n it's the other side of the same coin\n and breaks badly for bzr which is why we need to address it\n vila, so does this seem sane:\n $ for d in $(find . -name \"*.moved\"); do for e in \"$d/\"* ; do o=${e//.moved/}; if [ -e \"$o\" ]; then echo bzr resolve --take-other $o; else echo bzr mv $e ${e//.moved/} ; fi; done; done\n bzr resolve --take-other ./bin/s3put\n bzr resolve --take-other ./boto/ec2/autoscale/group.py\n bzr resolve --take-other ./boto/ec2/autoscale/__init__.py\n bzr mv ./boto/ec2/autoscale.moved/instance.py ./boto/ec2/autoscale/instance.py\n bzr resolve --take-other ./boto/ec2/autoscale/launchconfig.py\n bzr mv ./boto/ec2/autoscale.moved/policy.py ./boto/ec2/autoscale/policy.py\n bzr mv ./boto/ec2/autoscale.moved/request.py ./boto/ec2/autoscale/request.py\n bzr mv ./boto/ec2/autoscale.moved/scheduled.py ./boto/ec2/autoscale/scheduled.py\n bzr mv ./boto/ec2/elb.moved/healthcheck.py ./boto/ec2/elb/healthcheck.py\n bzr resolve --take-other ./boto/ec2/elb/__init__.py\n bzr mv ./boto/ec2/elb.moved/instancestate.py ./boto/ec2/elb/instancestate.py\n bzr mv ./boto/ec2/elb.moved/listelement.py ./boto/ec2/elb/listelement.py\n bzr mv ./boto/ec2/elb.moved/listener.py ./boto/ec2/elb/listener.py\n bzr mv ./boto/ec2/elb.moved/loadbalancer.py ./boto/ec2/elb/loadbalancer.py\n !pastebin :)\n bzr mv ./boto/ec2/elb.moved/policies.py ./boto/ec2/elb/policies.py\n bzr mv ./boto/ec2/elb.moved/securitygroup.py ./boto/ec2/elb/securitygroup.py\n bzr mv ./boto/ec2/cloudwatch.moved/alarm.py ./boto/ec2/cloudwatch/alarm.py\n bzr mv ./boto/ec2/cloudwatch.moved/datapoint.py ./boto/ec2/cloudwatch/datapoint.py\n bzr resolve --take-other ./boto/ec2/cloudwatch/__init__.py\n bzr mv ./boto/ec2/cloudwatch.moved/listelement.py ./boto/ec2/cloudwatch/listelement.py\n bzr resolve --take-other ./boto/ec2/cloudwatch/metric.py\n crap!\n sorry\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/755002/\n thats what i meant to paste.\n lol, nw\n yup, looks sane, does the resulting diff looks sane ?\n vila, boto/ec2/elb/__init__.py is not conflicted\n smoser: no, you did: 'bzr resolve --take-other ./boto/ec2/elb/__init__.py'\n so you took the other content\n ok. so that output was expected, and did what i wanted. thats fine.\n now do a blanket resolve ?\n what does 'bzr conflicts' says ?\n testing locally, there is a problem\n my 'either path can be used' was misleading, it applies only when .moved is the only difference between the two paths\n conflicts still lists all the original conflicts.\n right, 'bzr st' is clearer here (and also list the conflicts)\n is the 'tests' hierarchy deletion deliberate ?\n it moved. i think. have to check, though\n no. tests removal was not deliberate. upstream has it.\n oh wait. it *was* deliberate :-(\n the upstream tarball apparently does not have tests/ in it although revision control does.\n testing locally, 'bzr resolve --take-other' output seems fine\n so that sucks for a different reason.\n 'bzr revert tests' will restore it\n yeah, but dont you think its probably best to leave it gone ?\n I have no idea\n yea.. i was hoping you'd have a better feel for that.\n Only a personal preference for not deleting tests (especially all of them ;)\n it does suck that upstream's tarball and revision control tag aren't equal.\n well, the only issue is that my tests/ directory would then be that of 2.0.2, not 2.1.1 and potentially not even work, *and* its different than upstream tests/\n i'll mail upstream about lack of that in tarball as a long term fix.\n yeah, exploring with 'bzr qlog', 'tests' was added in 2.0.0-ubuntu1 which get them from upstream-2.0\n which ironically outlines why getting the parallel import fixed is important as here if upstream add the tests again, we really want to reconcile the histories\n jelmer: running bzr daily ppa version of dailydeb fixed the problem as you guessed\n now. Is there a way to trigger rebuild on dailyppa after uploading new branches?\n is there any way to see what is the current rebuild period?\n Wellark: there is a \"Build now\" link that is shown whenever one of the branches has unbuilt revisions\n let's see\n otherwise the branches with changes get rebuilt within a 24-hour window\n there is no ETA on when in the 24-hour window that is (but an open lp bug about showing that)\n hmm.. odd.. I can't find the recipe on any of the branches\n there has to be one as the daily ppa sends me build error emails\n the build uses these branches: https://code.launchpad.net/~indicator-network-developers/ofono/trunk, https://code.launchpad.net/~indicator-network-developers/ofono/trunk.packaging\n but both of those branches say: No recipes using this branch.\n I'm a bit puzzled now\n Wellark: how did you create the recipe?\n no, somebody created it before\n now, I'm suppose to continue development and maintenance of those packages and I'm trying to figure out all the pieces of the puzzle\n s/no/no, I didn't create it my self/\n jelmer: do you have some powertool to list the recipes which land stuff to this PPA: https://launchpad.net/~indicator-network-developers/+archive/daily-ppa ?\n Wellark: usually I just look for recipes owned by the same user that owns the PPA\n Wellark: based on the versions of the packages in that PPA, it seems like those packages weren't created by a recipe\n Wellark: it's probably just somebody (a bot?) doing daily source package uploads\n sigh...\n jelmer, mgz: I'm looking at some import failure and I encounter a weird case you may help me to understand, get the branches for debootstrap -rtag:1.0.36 for oneiric, sid and wheezy, launch qlog on them and tell me it's not as bad as I fear :-/\n vila: hmm, it seems like the debian and ubuntu branches have parallel imports?\n vila: seems like it was caused by the fact that ubuntu diverged for a bit, then discarded its changes\n hm.\n vila: it diverged in 1.0.29ubuntu1, and then discarded that\n but the tags '1.0.xx' should be for upstream no ?\n they seem to exist with different revids in debian and ubuntu\n vila: there is no upstream in this case\n vila: it is a native package\n surely the same tag can't be used for different revs ?\n even for native packages\n and the picture is even more fun when you add the precise branch :-/\n vila: different branches can have different tags\n right, that's the theory, but does it make sense here ?\n vila: in this case bzr-builddeb doesn't pull from the Debian branch anymore because it sees the Ubuntu and the Debian branch have diverged\n precise merged them\n this branch is a little large for my connection, it's not finished yet.\n there we go.\n mgz: oh, sorry :-( ~133MB\n vila: please file a bug against bzr-builddeb\n jelmer: so, debian and ubuntu, for native packages, having the same tag used for different versions is expected ?\n jelmer: I'm trying to understand first, I'm not sure builddeb is at fault here, the failure is udd so far and it seems it assumes a tag cannot point to different revs there\n s/udd/in udd/\n jelmer: so, debian and ubuntu, for native packages, having the same tag used for different versions is expected ?\n vila: no, that's not expected\n what tags should they use then ?\n x.y.zdebianN and x.y.z.ubuntuN ?\n okay, I see the pretty picture.\n vila: the tag names aren't the issue\n vila: it's the fact that bzr-builddeb doesn't pull from the debian branch to import those revisions, and then reimports them itself.\n vila: and when it reimports htem itself, they end up with new revision ids and tags\n ha\n so the ubuntu ones are wrong is what you're saying ?\n vila: when 1.0.30 was synced from debian to ubuntu, that discarded 1.0.29ubuntu1\n vila: yes\n it would be interesting to see if you can reproduce this issue by taking the ubuntu branch at 1.0.29ubuntu1 and then trying to import the 1.0.30 package\n but the parents of the ubuntu 1.0.30 are 1.0.29ubuntu1 *and* debian 1.0.30\n vila: the parents of ubuntu 1.0.30 should be 1.0.29 only\n vila: it should be the same revision as debian 1.0.30\n vila: what happened is basically the equivalent of \"bzr push --overwrite\"\n meh, 1.0.29ubuntu1 cannot be part of debian right ? Oh, you mean 1.0.29ubuntu1 shouldn't be there *at all* anymore ?\n vila: right, it shouldn't be there anymore at all\n vila: if you look at the current changelog.gz, you'll also see it's not there\n which the 1.0.30 merge shows in its associated diff yes\n I suspect the package importer have no idea this can occur\n so both may need to be fixed (importer and buildeb)\n no, wait, something is wrong here\n say 1.0.29 was for lucid and then 1.0.30 for maverick, I still want 1.0.29 to be there so I can make other dot releases for lucid, as long as the content for 1.0.30, the prior history shouldn't need to be altered\n s/as the content/& is correct/\n vila: I'm not sure I follow?\n you said 'right, it shouldn't be there anymore at all' , that sounds excessive\n in the revision graph for the oneiric branch, 1.0.29ubuntu1 shouldn't be present at all\n the tags was a red herring as you explain, knowing they are legit, the branches don't look that weird now\n 1.0.29, 1.0.30, etc should be present in the oneiric branch\n 1.0.29ubuntu1 commit says: 'Cherry-pick from trunk:' so it has been released right (in natty) ?\n why should it disappear from the history in this case ?\n it seem the branches converge again at 1.0.30 if they can have different revs for the same tag, what's the issue ?\n vila: it's like bzr release series\n endless superfluous merges ?\n vila: it's possible to cherry-pick a change from trunk onto 2.1 but it will become a different revision, and that different revision isn't in lp:bzr\n right, but it's still part of the 2.1 history and becomes part of bzr.dev history when merged up\n vila: there was no up-merging from ubuntu into debian here though\n vila: which is why that revision shouldn't be part of the oneiric history\n right and they will never be because ubuntu is downstream and has a larger history\n vila: ubuntu oneiric has the exact same history as debian sid at the moment\n vila: they're both shipping 1.0.38\n but their branches are different, same content because ubuntu merges debian but still different histories\n vila: the ubuntu natty branch *should* have 1.0.29ubuntu1\n vila: their branches should be the same, like for any package where ubuntu doesn't have a delta\n we seem to agree about the branch content but disagree about the branch history\n vila: about what should be in the branch history you mean?\n the oneiric history should be a subset of the natty history so 1.0.29ubuntu1 should also be part of oneiric\n yes\n grr\n s/subset/superset/ of course\n or not ?\n vila: I don't think it should be a superset, it doesn't reflect what has actually happened\n are you saying the history can somehow be restarted when a new ubuntu release is started ?\n so the natty branch and the oneiric one can really diverge and never be reconciled ?\n my understanding was that launchpad was always creating the new release branches from the previous release...\n vila: sure - the same thing happens e.g. with SRUs\n james_w: around?\n right, but SRU happen *after* the branches have been bootstrapped\n miss an s, here are some ssss\n vila: the bootstrapping and old branches don't really matter I think\n vila: the point is that when ubuntu discards its changes for a package, we should reflect that in the history\n * vila blinks\n by removing a revision ?\n vila: effectively, what ubuntu is doing is:\n taking a debian, making some local changes to it\n taking a debian package (1.0.29), making some local changes to it and uploading that (1.0.29ubuntu1)\n recording that in the branh history\n then later, when e.g. the fixes in 1.0.29ubuntu1 have been applied upstream too, they discard their version of it\n \"bzr pull --overwrite debianlp:debootstrap\"\n so they again have the same history as debian\n wow\n and no trace that 1.0.29ubuntu1 ever existed ?\n right - see debian/changelog in e.g. 1.0.37, no sign that 1.0.29ubuntu1 was ever there\n hehe, touche\n hmm\n right, so I see your point\n I don't think it is what is implemented yet though,\n but I can imagine that the failures are related\n I'll big further tomorrow, thanks for the explanations and the discussion\n s/big.... ???/dig/\n :) see you tomorrow\n hmm, and the tag should be deleted too, everywhere :) ...\n vila: not everywhere, just those ubuntu releases that no longer have the version..\n ha ! Who is making things harder now ! :0D\n vila: I don't think that's making things harder - it's just one of the things we should do when we do the \"bzr pull --overwrite\" from debian\n yeah, was mostly kidding.\n --overwrite may have a lot of unforeseen fallouts is what I meant, people having mirrors and so on\n or pending proposals\n hmm.. I'm trying to write a recipe\n my .recipe file contains:\n vila: I don't think we necessarily handle that very well at the moment, as we record the parent but don't actually have the changes from 1.0.29ubuntu1\n anyway, food for thougt, first of all, fixing the imports ;) EOD, have fun !\n # bzr-builder format 0.4 deb-version {debupstream}-0ubuntu1+bzr{revno}+bzr{revno:packaging}\n vila: g'night & g'appetite :)\n but running $bzr dailydeb gives me an error\n bzr: ERROR: Invalid deb-version: {debupstream}-0ubuntu1+bzr5947+bzr2792: Invalid version string '{debupstream}-0ubuntu1+bzr5947+bzr2792'\n so it seems that {depupstream} doesn't get substituted\n Wellark: what's the full recipe?\n jelmer: $ cat ofono.recipe\n # bzr-builder format 0.4 deb-version {debupstream}-0ubuntu1+bzr{revno}+bzr{revno:packaging}\n ofono.trunk\n arg,,\n argh.\n jelmer: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/755157/\n Wellark: does ofono.trunk have a debian/ directory? If not, you probably want {debupstream:packaging}\n ah, ok\n jelmer: ok, now it works!\n jelmer: then there's a documentation bug\n bzr help dailydeb says\n \"{debupstream} will be replaced by the upstream portion of the version number taken from debian/changelog in the final tree.\"\n bzr help builder, I mean\n Wellark: \"bzr help dailydeb\" doesn\n t mention {debupstream} here\n Wellark: never mind, found it in \"bzr help builder\"\n jelmer: 20:00:11 < Wellark> bzr help builder, I mean\n :)\n jelmer: do you want a bug report or will you handle this on your own?\n Wellark: submitting a fix now\n Wellark: thanks for reporting that, btw\n jelmer: no problem\n thank you for fixing it so quickly! :)\n vila, i can't seem to get rid of all the add/remove pairs\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/755216/\n jelmer: reviewed bzr-builddeb mp\n mgz: merci\n mgz: updated\n vila, i'm sure you're sleeping or afk, but it seems to me that this ended up doing what i wanted\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/755287/\n i would appreciate your input (or others) as to if this will then get me into a sane state for merges from debian and/or upstream in the future.\n ah, so I don't get bzr-builddeb bug mail...\n smoser: I'm not entirely sure if that revert command will do the right thing. I would personally use \"bzr resolve --take-other $d\"\n I probably need to join bzr-builddeb-hackers\n mgz: you should be able to be subscribed without being in the team that owns bzr-builddeb\n mgz: that said, you probably should join bzr-builddeb-hackers >-)\n smoser: the diff output seems reasonable enough though\n hey, that's a fun regression\n too many yaks, too many yaks\n mgz: hmm?\n hi all\n something in 2.5 broke the error you get when trying to commit an unversioned file, with non-ascii filenames\n it was kinda bust before but now it's good ol' \"Unprintable exception\"\n which... as I was trying to test a different fix against that was very confusing\n hm\n mgz, i would like to change the tests from using hardcoded file names to getting the names from some kind of factory object\n picking well known problem values isn't bad.\n so that more of them can be unicode\n right they could just start with a list like that\n we may need to adjust it for non unicode filesystems\n though, actually, there really are none of them\n so perhaps we just need to make sure the tests always run with the right fsenc\n there is a problem at the moment where testing of filenames is ad hoc where people have reported bugs rather than systematic\n but...\n right\n jelmer, I am now\n hi james_w\n hi\n how are you?\n I'm well, how are you ?\n james_w: vila and I were looking at an interesting importer issue this afternoon\n james_w: basically, the importer wasn't dealing well with revisions with ubuntu-specific changes that were discarded\n james_w: shouldn't those just be discarded from the branch history in Ubuntu as well so that the ubuntu branch has the same contents as the debian branch ?\n jelmer, IIRC it should make the trees the same, but leave the revisions in place\n james_w: and then do a merge for every subsequent revision?\n james_w: IOW, once there has been a ubuntu-specific revision, the revision graphs will never ever converge again?\n jelmer, yeah\n that seemed to more accurately reflect the upload history to Ubuntu\n james_w: ah, so it's about the upload history rather than the actual package history I guess\n yeah\n vila: ^\n heh\n bisected regression... comes out at r6124 ;_;\n guess it's a gettext change then.\n * mgz does the hidden 16 former mainline revs as well\n 6123.1.10 indeed.\n#bzr 2011-12-01\n hello bazaristas !\n vila, hi\n bazaristas is a bizzare word ;)\n vila i want to go soon but i would like to write some config developer docs\n first\n is there anything more up to date than configuration.txt?\n I was thinking about that too while discussing with jelmer the other day,\n he mentioned that devnotes/configuration.txt should go in bzr.dev (can't remember where exactly but there is a place we talk about our plans)\n but back to the dev subject itself,\n ah\n yes i think it should go there\n I happily review/complete whatever you want to wrote\n devnotes was interesting but just putting it in trunk is better\n we land things faster now\n ok\n we do need to garden out stuff that gets old\n crap, I have local revisions to push to devnotes\n pushing^H^H^^Hed\n I will review/submit that\n targeting at trunk that is\n so reading that document\n it's fine\n but it starts with a kind of longwinded explanation of current problems\n 1- these will eventually be fixed\n 2- i just want to look up an option!\n 1) if we keep track of it yes\n 2) right, user guide vs reference guide\n so what we have in the tree should perhaps be structured as\n brief overview\n how to use the common cases\n more details\n so, will a rewrite on the document follows ... hehe\n then, the kind of changes we want to make\n 1) how to use 2) reference guide 3) pending issues\n hehe\n wfm\n poolie: any related bug you can think of or should I just go from our discussion here ?\n ah for what?\n documentation of configuration?\n i think\n clarifying the config , yeah\n i'll just put up an mp answering my questions\n you can tell me if the answers are right :)\n hehe, k, no bug then. Can you use a lp:~bzr branch so I can push there too ?\n poolie: in other news, I requeue a bunch of imports yesterday,\n great\n good idea about a team branch\n ~20 now succeeds, ~50 moved from one kind of failure to another, I started digging the find_unimported_versions:check (74 failures) ones which led to an interesting discussion with jelmer\n nice work\n the 74 failures may also be related to the other 43 ones from find_unimported_versions (no :check)\n speaking of which, i wasn't sure if you heard the other day i made your terrine\n vaguely speaking of which\n really ?? Great ! So ?\n it was good\n :)\n your corrections were on point - it would have been too salty otherwise etc\n :)\n I'm glad you enjoyed it :) Will tell my friend his recipe went around the world ;)\n poolie: and did you manage with the advices about how ti find if it's cooked or not ?\n s/ti/to/\n i did\n i used a thermometer too\n cheater :)\n i think it could have done with a little less time\n anyhow i thought it might please or amuse you to know\n oooh, that reminds me that I cheat too (yeah, thanks, pleased and amused indeed):\n I made several terrine in various sizes so the smaller ones are finished first and help get the biggest one right\n ok https://code.launchpad.net/~bzr/bzr/doc/+merge/84069\n and also allow the chief to taste before serving ;)\n :)\n ok\n i've pushed my stuff\n i think i'll log off soon\n waiting for lp to refresh\n enjoy your evening (and week-end right ?)\n this was leading up to changing to append_revisions_only\n thanks, yes\n yeah, I've seen your bug comment,\n the last experience we did was on the importer but I need to refresh my memory about why we reverted it and whether or not it should block making it the default (I strongly hope not)\n and yes, -Oappend_revisions_only should work (and if not, should be fixed)\n and yes, -Oappend_revisions_only=False should work (and if not, should be fixed)\n morning!\n mgz: hey !\n vila so was my patch actually correct?\n :/\n which one ?\n I haven't see a patch for a_r_o yet, but I agree (strongly) with the intent\n the doc thing\n anyhow\n not a big deal\n i'm not going to finish a_r_o this week, i think\n yup, doc thing sounds good, perfect for driving my answers\n there is one important thing missing though: which stack you chose for a given option defines where it can be defined and where the modifications will be made\n i.e. GlobalStack or BranchStack for example\n weird, nexuiz-data is at it again, consuming 4GB without any obvious output... (but 100% CPU)\n for hours it seems\n Maybe they borrowed some developers from firefox.\n DuplicateKey: Key new-362 is already present in map, yeah 362 ! will be so fun to debug :-}\n vila: do you remember the trick to get localised strerror? I did it on a box at home but now can't get it working here.\n what I've done is `dpkg-reconfigure locales` to get some non-english ones, and then set LAND and LC_ALL and use locale.setlocale\n but... that seems to not be enough\n mgz: LANG but yeah should do\n yeah, that was just an IRC tyop.\n mgz: on the other hand, I'm definitely the one to ask for that: I switch to C decades ago and never looked bac k;)\n this is supposed to Just Work, with additional tweaks via LANG\n okay, fail at that, dug up another bug by accident instead\n worked it out at second try, also have LANGUAGE env var that breaks things\n OS ?\n ehem.\n we do weird stuff about locales in the bzr script itself too\n oh, That one ;)\n no, not windows, it's easy on windows :)\n debian ?\n yup.\n okay, it's working.\n now tempted to see if I can close a long standing bug without even having the change any code...\n should be able to run a full selftest even on this machine now the test suite cleans itself up better\n yak shaving *is* useful ;)\n jelmer: no wonder doc/developers/plans.txt fell of my radar, it's not part of the online site... something weird happened years ago\n ha, no, it's part of the sphinx generated docs not the regular ones\n still a little memory constrained, errors on fork\n trying again with X gone should do it though.\n vila: did you see mydiscusion with james yesterday here on IRC?\n jelmer: yup, was waiting for you to summarize,\n so, we keep the upload history,\n yet, I found your idea interesting too, so longer term we may want to investigate, it sounds like a useful optimization\n overall, there is more than one history ;)\n yeah, there is some tension here between convenience for packagers and keeping all history\n * vila nods\n two failures, I think both were known random ones\n what's the difference between random and spurious in English ?\n (in the context of test failures I mean, not in general)\n spurious implies the failure isn't meaningful, but may always happen\n random implies the failure may or may not happen, but might be meaningful\n thks\n some of our issues may be both spurious and random (the test test server ones), but some of the races are random but not spurious\n (they could in theory be hit in general usage)\n are views documented anywhere? does anything currently use them?\n bt.test_sftp_transport.test_bad_connection_ssh fails if paramiko is not installed\n are your two last messages related ?\n views are used by some people AIUI\n bt...bad_connection should use requireFeature, we *have* a paramiko one right >\n yup, features.paramiko\n unrelated, just doing other things while tests run\n hm, and the test does use that require\n wonder what's going on (apart from general bogosity of using run_bzr outside blackbox)\n ...ah, actuallyrun_bzr_subprocess so probably a path issue\n more MalformedTransform bugs on jubany. Joy ;)\n your favourite :)\n hehe, looks like I'm making progress at using tree transform ;)\n so two bugs, one is that run_bzr_subprocess doesn't get my path right, the other is that this test sucks.\n LOL\n and trying the version proposed in the comment ?\n even hardy uses python-paramiko-1.6.4 so that may be worth a try\n yesterday results of poking jubany: http://webnumbr.com/ubuntu-package-import-failures.from%282011-11-01%29\n back to where we were 3 weeks ago :)\n it looks like the commented version may be a happier route indeed, if the only flaw was some ssh kipple\n mgz: we do seem to be playing whack-a-mole with unicode bugs, rather than actively trying to find and squash them :(\n I do wonder if python3 (and an attempt to port to it) would be helpful in that regard.\n or to phrase it differently - being explicit about what is encoded and what are bytes would both help our existing python2 version of bzr, and porting to python3\n I'm still tempted by the idea of objectizing paths, but that's not clearly a win\n the current state of bytes input, get unicode paths, change to utf-8 for dirstate, maybe change back to unicode for reporting error... is not ideal\n mgz: being forced to use non-bytestring paths on Linux is frustrating\n the transcoding could be avoided, what we really want is validation though\n which you can't easily do in python except by .decode(...)\n but you proposed (in that mail ;) some escaping scheme that could be used. With objectized (sp?) paths, this will at least be done in a single place. Obj... paths would also provide a simpler API\n ideally we'll still accept in the current API and start throwing deprecation warnings\n since neither approach (whack-a-mole / all paths as objects) can be done in one go, starting both would at least make the goal clearer\n The alternative name of 'safe_utf8' is 'break_things_randomly' :-D\n vila: its name is kindof ironic\n just found that in mgz's review, burst out laughing because I was expecting an explanation so the joke really took me off-guard :)\n the most scary is that I'm pretty sure I used it in the past, with confidence, and I can't remember where :-}\n mgz: can we deprecate it?\n not a lot of uses left according to grep, good surprise\n is there a way to push a bzr repo to github?\n jelmer, vila: there are lots of things in osutils that would ideally be deprecated\n it's a bit too tempting to just dump stuff in there.\n chromaticwt: it's possible to push to github with bzr, but you'd need a (git) branch registered via the site already to target\n mgz: yup, lots of things to clean up there\n okay, bug half one worked out and fixed.\n test machinery sets $HOME which then breaks the site module's path addition if run_user_subprocess is run\n huh ? Why would tests use site modules ?\n talk about isolation...\n 'site' is the (ugly) module that runs at python startup and does things like filling in bits of the sys module\n one part of that is adding things to sys.path\n ha, sorry\n but what kind of $HOME can break that ?\n isn't it a case where TestCase is used where TestCaseInTempDir should /\n ?\n if HOME is set to a tempdir, when the site module tries to add my user specific python packages in ~/.local it's looking relative to that tempdir\n hence, self.requireFeature(features.paramiko) passes, but the spawned subprocess says there's no paramiko\n I have a fix.\n there is no .local dir there, so should be fine or is it that '~' needs to be expanded ?\n * vila blinks and wait to see the fix :)\n ~/.local expands to /home/martin/.local in the selftest process, but for the subprocess the test spawns it expands to /tmp/bzr/....\n and you installed paramiko in ~/.local\n right.\n I'm stil surprised requireFeature() works...\n does it means it is first called when $HOME is valid ?\n paramiko works from bzr - I run bzr as me.\n site does it's path lookup once at python startup\n argh\n so bzr gets the right module paths... unless spawned from within a testcase where we set $HOME\n so what ? We need to force a PYTHONPATH ?\n this vaguely rings a bell\n Nono, just copy everything in it into the tempdir!\n didn't run_bzr_subprocess already tweak the env ?\n nearly - there's actually a more targetted envvar we can use instead\n PYTHONUSERBASE\n jelmer: looks like import_upstream blows up if a symlink is turned into a dir (probably a packaging mistake) this leads to http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/rserve.html#2011-12-01%2011:18:38.327140\n reproduced locally when importing 0.5-3 where clients is now an exact copy of src/client instead of clients -> src/client\n that sounds similar to an error that the path name encoding branch fix exposed as well\n jelmer: does that ring a bell ?\n I think the logic is just old and incorrect.\n mgz: more context ?\n ikiwiki\n slightly different place, but I think the problem is similar.\n in my case, the code involved try to handle renames but this is a kind change (symlink -> dir)\n basically the custom transform in bzrtools_import is complicated, a little buggy, and not maintained\n ha\n we've done fixes for this symlink stuff in bzr itself (poolie tackled a bunch of bugs), but this is different code doing the same kind of thing\n so, we don't benefit from that.\n I said to jelmer when I last looked at this that ideally the bzrtools_ copied modules would ideally just be ripped out and replaced\n ha\n most of the logic isn't used, just the core transform, which should live elsewhere\n (and then it would get its bugs and corner cases fixed more easily)\n just a matter of refactoring under the associated tests umbrella right ?\n right.\n there are six or so testcases for it\n better than I thought :-P\n probably some more need writing or things would break, but the job is basically to work out what the code is trying to do and then make it use other mechanisms :)\n at worst, it would highlight gaps in the bzrlib api that need plugging, and could then share testing but not implementation yet\n ^good mgz classic double 'ideally' up there\n vila: so, it was on my list for when I wanted to get to know transform code better, if you have a bunch of similar failures now it might be worth tackling before then\n I think I will file a bug and punt, I've got a good enough explanation for the failure and more important ones to address first :-/\n :)\n I agree with the feeling that this code is duplicating features that should be implemented elsewhere but it's more a gut feeling that a real understanding\n hm... transport.get_transport(something_bogus) doesn't raise these days?\n connection doesn't happen till later?\n yup, always have\n okay, ensure_base() should do, the commented out test just needs fixing\n even .has('not-exist') should be enough (and is already used as an idiom working for read-only transports too)\n bug #800270\n Launchpad bug 800270 in BzrTools \"import-tar incorrectly handles symlinks turned into directories\" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/800270\n mgz: by the way, since you reviewed the 2.4 variant, https://code.launchpad.net/~vila/bzr/test-server-races/+merge/84096 should be easy to review ;)\n I have a tab in my browser for that :)\n You'll even find the comments you were asking for at the time but weren't committed when I submitted :-}\n okay, fixed test works, just need to make a less hacky varient\n i.e. have a look at the revisions dates ;)\n quick Q... how can I get my working tree to be at a particular revision?\n `bzr update -r N`\n using revert works as well, and may be what you want depending on the circumstance\n ok thanks\n what I sometimes do as well, if I want to jump between revisions and maybe base other work of them\n is create a new (treeless) branch with `bzr branch -r N dev rN` and then switch my checkout to and from it\n I'm getting a bunch of conflict messages. Taking a bak\n if there's a lot of divergence, just having a new tree is sometimes easiest.\n I know what the problem is - some non-versioned files that would otherwise be deleted (folder changed)\n new branch fixed it\n ah, yeah, that one is always annoying, the dreaded pyc problem.\n thanks for the assistance\n `bzr clean-tree --force --ignored -q && bzr update -r N` is also possible, but annoying to spell\n mgz: that run_bzr_subprocess diff presented by lp is one of the less informative yourcan get :) It's in tests/__init__.py, ok, but where ? :D\n .pyc problem is supposed to be addressed with bbzr.transform.orphan_policy=move\n until we have a way to split precious/junk files, that's the best work around\n gha tyop\n bzr.transform.orphan_policy=move in bazaar.conf\n CaMason, mgz: ^\n (yes, there is at least one hook in tree transform ;)\n * vila EOD, doctor said I still work too much ;)\n EOD happily vila.\n if lp let me specify --diff-options=-U20 I'd use it :)\n why does pushing a bzr branch a couple times seem to \"sort out\" this issue? https://pastebin.canonical.com/56636/\n (apologies for the canonical pastebin, I can re-paste to ubuntu if necessary)\n win box lives, and I can still just about manage to get over my aversion to hardware\n hey there\n I'm still running into https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/855155\n Ubuntu bug 855155 in Bazaar \"InconsistentDelta error when using bzr update\" [High,Confirmed]\n is there somebody who can give me a hand into recovery?\n kiko: you should just be able to branch into a fresh directory to recover\n it's a problem with the dirstate, which is just used for tracking the local tree, so the core repo is fine\n wgz, the problem is that the \"fresh directory\" is /etc\n :-/\n do you have any local changes pending?\n lots\n that's the problem\n ...are any renames or executable bit changes that you wouldn't be able to redo?\n if not, run `bzr repair-workingtree`\n#bzr 2011-12-02\n hi. Internet where I am is very very unreliable and slow. Is there a way to resume a branch that has been cut off? I am trying to branch emacs and it keeps stopping, then I have to start the whole thing over. I can't find anything via search.\n crtxc: you probably want to pull by batches, so:\n bzr init-repo emacs ; cd emacs ; bzr init trunk ; cd trunk ; bzr pull -r100\n then 'bzr pull -r200' until you get to the tip\n use any increment that your connection can support 1.000 10.000 100.000\n once you get the full history, things should be more reliable as you'll need to download only the new ones\n discussions about allowing more robust branching by automating the above occur from time to time but I don't remember anybody going ahead and implement it\n morning all\n vila, oh, ok. I never came across -r200, that sounds much better for lower the probability of line failure. Ty very much.\n mgz: _o/\n vila, is -r revision ARG? I am trying to find it in the man.\n yup\n vila, hats off to ya, that is a very clever solution. :)\n ty\n yeah, I learned a few tricks by lurking in this channel so these kudos are really for more than me (/me blushing)\n if you have a web site or a blog you might want to make a small post and get some traffic with that. I see a few people had trouble with that. :) Then kudos to all who have good brains. :)\n :)\n * fullermd is willing to accept any and all credit.\n :)\n ha, right, yeah, that's all fullermd fault, now that you mention it :)\n 's ?\n fullermd has been so kind for hidding the i an n between the m and d. If fullermd weren't so shy it would be fullermind for all to see. :)\n Here now. *I* handle the bad puns around here. You're on my turf, sparky!\n :)\n hah, finally figured out what the trouble was with those multiple upstream tarballs\n jelmer: \\o/ ?\n planets should be well aligned, my wifi problem just... resolved itself (using canal 6 instead of 13 *cannot* be related right ? Not when the only laptop that was hanging trying to connect is mine, right ?)\n wifi goes by water in france :)\n antenna in your laptop is damaged and finds some channels easier to tune than others?\n the breed of chicken you sacrificed was not holy enough to use channel 13?\n goats, I always use goats... But now that you mentioned it I may have to audit my provider...\n I guaranteed the goats for SCSI. I didn't say nuffin' about 802.11.\n vila: Not all wifi adapters can go up to channel 13.\n vila: I've had a few that only went up to 11.\n I thought fullermd said he was in charge of the bad jokes...\n soren: good point, but the router upgrade triggered the issue while the previous was already using channel 13\n Why don't you just raise the frequency of 10 a little, and have 10 as the top channel?\n vila: Oh.\n fullermd: lol\n soren: still, thanks for pointing that\n SCSI ? Come on ! I still have cables and even scsi drives... in my attic ! But I was clear enough when we engage on this goat deal that they won't be used outside of sabbat where virgin (and not goats) are used anyway\n (the scsi stuff I mean, not the goats)\n jelmer: what's your feeling about your reconcile proposal and bug #897487 ?\n Launchpad bug 897487 in Bazaar \"progress indication for Repository packing and reconciliation over HPSS\" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/897487\n jelmer: should the bug be a pre-requisite ? Do you think you can fix it soon ? Should we just land and see ?\n 4) should we raise the importance to high ?\n writing help thinking, so: I bumped to high and approved ;)\n vila: I wonder what the best way is to provide progress reports\n vila: if it's sufficient to just stream some data, then we can easily do that, even if it's not very useful data\n jelmer: I don't know the code well enough to say if multiplexing data and progress is easy or not, so if there is data you can stream, good enough\n vila: btw, on another note\n vila: if we're looking at fixing the import code in bzr-builddeb, I wonder if we could stream directly from the tarball into commit builder\n vila: I've been wondering about that previously as well, because currently we have to check out the base parent on disk, etc\n so it would improve performance, but it would also help my current work\n my understanding is that import is not simply a commit, there could be renames and kind changes\n and deletions, and so on\n what I don't understand though, is why we can reuse more of our existing stuff. Are renames and the like really the issue again here ?\n vila: deletions and so on shouldn't be a problem,\n as in: some operations cannot be automatically deduced\n vila: ? I don't see how that matters, the only difference is that we're reading the contents for the commit from a tarball rather than off disk.\n ha, let's sync\n I was referring to the actual implementation that seems to use a transform tree to better handle renames and file-id reuses\n you're talking about using a different source for commit, which indeed sounds like a good plan (gmta ;), but what about file-id reuse and renames ?\n are the existing tests good enough to cover that ? (obviously nothing covers bug 800270)\n Launchpad bug 800270 in bzr-builddeb \"import-tar incorrectly handles symlinks turned into directories\" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/800270\n jelmer: still there ?\n I think being able to do certain transforms without having a tree on disk is something we need.\n vila: sorry, back now\n vila: I'm pretty sure there are some tests for preserving file ids\n and renames ?\n mgz: wow, you're raising the bar now ;)\n bah, pqm not using news_merge is now really going on my nerves\n hmm, could it be that pqm is using a too old bzr version...\n ... and we don't want to upgrade until that subunit/testools compat bug is fixed, I've lost track :-/\n vila: I think the plan also was to look at tarmac\n hehe, reading mgz proposals on the active review page is... funny: fix-bzr-subprocess followed by don-use-bzr-subprocess-after-all :)\n jelmer: yeah, better\n wwooooow, lunch time\n hey, I said it was a bug in two halves, I just fixed both of them :)\n hi. I cloned emacs. I am not a developer. I only want to make a copy, build emacs, then use the original to update any changes on the parent repo. Did I do this right? http://codepad.org/et7ETDzS\n crtxc: you don't really need any of that except `bzr branch` for your use\n all I'd suggest is using the launchpad mirror rather than savannah may still be faster\n oh. So I just do bzr branch everytime I update?\n no, you branch once, then you just `bzr pull` to update\n oh. I overcomplicated it.\n right, but the extra bits you did aren't harmful\n ok :)\n they're just for emacs developers' funny work flows.\n ok. I never did this before I only use bzr to track my text files.\n oops. I just tried to bzr and I got an error. http://codepad.org/0qXcOk71\n tried to bzr pull^\n unbind it\n ok. ty. unbind.\n well. Ty very, very much for your insights all.\n ok. That is it. I should do some reading on shell scripting and c++ but my eyes are burning so ty very much\n A little C++ will fix that right up.\n There's no burning left after you gouge them out.\n :)\n I am trying to learn shell scripting, python, and c++.\n lunchtime, prize if anyone can guess where I'm going with these mps\n lol, I was reading it and was about to ask :)\n ha, I read only one\n what's the udd mailing list?\n for lp:udd in particular, I mean.\n ubuntu-distributed-devel@lists.ubuntu.com\n mgz: getting encoding right in more contexts ?\n mgz: To lunch. What do I win?\n mgz: rats, lunch of course\n why learn c++ before lisp?\n mgz: I'm still holding my breath\n it will be very exciting... maybe\n hehe\n I dunno, I think holding your breath that long is probably pretty boring.\n Maybe not for your heirs, I guess.\n she looks worried indeed\n jml, is there a convenient way to call testtools.run from python on all of my test_ modules?\n lamalex: 'testtools.run discover [package]' iirc\n lamalex: http://testtools.readthedocs.org/en/latest/for-test-authors.html#running-your-tests will get it righter than me :)\n jml, thats from a shell though\n lamalex: what are you trying to do?\n lamalex: or, is testtools.run.main() not convenient enough for you?\n jml, nevermind that discover thing was exactly what i needed\n jml, setUp runs for every test_ method, is there a TestCase wide set up?\n lamalex: no.\n lamalex: having such a thing is a bad idea\n why's that\n lamalex: because it makes test isolation very hard\n lamalex: which in turn makes it very easy to write tests where a failure or mistake in one corrupts the results of others\n jml, yah but we're not writing traditional unit tests\n lamalex: are you not interested in the results of these tests?\n wgz: encoding guessing... to cope with people using wrong fs encodings or not setting any ?\n (I had to breath .... ;)\n not quite yet, but that one is on the list :)\n oooh, at least properly reporting the full string on unicode exceptions ?\n yup, and full unicode output for all errors.\n * vila whistles\n * vila hugs mgz too\n Pah. 7 bits should be enough for anyone.\n now, given that nexuiz-data needs more than 24h and that we kill imports that exceed their 24h quota... we need a finer-grained configuration ;)\n jelmer: pretty cute failure: http://babune.ladeuil.net:24842/job/selftest-chroot-precise/lastFailedBuild/testReport/junit/bzrlib.tests.blackbox.test_checkout/TestSmartServerCheckout/test_lightweight_checkout/\n jelmer: looks like you did even better than you thought ;-D\n vila: argh\n vila: we'll have to change the lower limit to 34 I guess\n jelmer: yup, not a problem\n vila: there's a lot of variation in a single \"bzr co --lightweight\" command\n which is not ideal for a test but meh\n the point is to not go up\n do you really need the 9 commits ?\n vila: this is before I worked my magic btw ;-) the hpss-get-inventories branch brings it down to 15\n woohoo\n jelmer, mgz : would you mind clearing the active reviews page guys, you have 7 approved reviews ready to land there :)\n I'm trying to get everything ready all at once :D\n hehe, beware of conflicts when landing... the more you land before hand the less conflicts you bump into ;)\n on top of that you have one for 2.4 that will need to be merged up ;-p\n hmm\n vila: I wonder if that RevisionNotPresent issue we've been hitting with the importer is related to the repository not clearing it's caching of negative revids in the parent map cache\n vila: it looks like the \"PoMerger created\" message made it into bzr.dev, btw\n okay, a couple of bzr fast-import questions, from git\n I've done the fast-export from git, and then fast-import into bzr\n I now have a directory of a bunch of branches/tags, I think\n I guess I'm trying to figure out what/how to do with those\n hi Dustin\n kirkland: You should be able to just use those branches like you normally would\n kirkland: if they don't have a working tree yet, you can use \"bzr co\" to create one\n jelmer: oh, hmm, okay\n jelmer: let me try those\n jelmer: all of them looked \"empty\" except for .bzr\n jelmer: i guess i just needed to co them\n kirkland: we should have bzr-fastimport hint that the branches created are tree-less, just like most other bzr import tools do\n kirkland: this is done for space reasons, btw - you don't want to end up with 20 copies of the kernel if you're fastimporting a kernel repo with 20 branches\n jelmer: I left it there on purpose, I still have doubts about whether it's created only once and it's the cheapest way to gather data. Once I get this feedback, I'll address the issue one way or the other (remove the message or fix the duplicated creation)\n jelmer: hence my reply to your review: \"It's not useless noise\" ;)\n vila: it should at least be hidden behind a debug flag in that case I think\n vila: it's showing up for every revision processed by the udd importer\n it's one line per merge and will be useless if hidden behind a debug flag...\n what's the easiest way to run Bzr server as a Windows Service?\n vila: that's the case for lots of things\n vila: doesn't mean we have them enabled by default :_)\n then consider that I put a debug flag active by default and that this will be revisited\n vila: sure, I'll file a bug\n if you're really searching to reduce the size of the import logs, there are far bigger targets though\n vila: sure, I'm just saying it's noise unless you're actually trying to debug something related to pomerge\n I *am* :)\n I mentioned that I've seen at least one case where the message where there twice for the same merge\n but to avoid chasing ghosts for too long I submitted without digging further (nothing in my proposal should trigger such a behavior)\n and there is one spurious merge in this sentence\n ghaa, where not merge\n way past EOD ;)\n vila: I still don't think that's a good reason, by that reasoning we might as well enable a whole bunch of things because they will help with debugging - like -Dhpss and -Devil\n vila: if there was a -Dpo_merge flag, *you* could enable it\n anyway, it is indeed well past EOD :-)\n#bzr 2011-12-03\n any ideas why my system can't find bzr-gtk?\n I installed from the ppa, sudo apt-get install bzr-gtk\n pcpratts@helloworld:~$ bzr-gtk\n bzr-gtk: command not found\n are there any tests I can do?\n pcpratts: bzr-gtk is a plugin for bzr, which provides extra subcommands to bzr\n e.g. \"bzr viz\"\n jelmer: okay thanks!\n I have used git and hg\n learning to use bzr so I can push a .deb package to a ppa\n have to do something fun on a friday night\n jelmer: do you know of somewhere I can find the available bzr-gtk commands?\n ah, I found it. bzr help gtk\n#bzr 2011-12-04\n any windows guys around here?\n hi Noldorin_\n I hope so. I haven't laughed a good schadenfrudes laugh all day.\n hi jelmer\n fullermd, hmm? i think you mean masochists. schadenfreude is enjoying others' pain ;-)\n which you may be :-)\n heh\n If they're running windows and I'm not, I am ;p\n fullermd, yeah, but you said laughed at schadenfrudes... which doesn't quite make sense. unless you're laughing at people laughing at windows users ;-)\n though i like your poetic license with the word schadenfrude anyway :-P\n Well, it was rather flowery phrasing maybe. But it's like \"laughed a good laugh\"; doesn't mean you're laughing AT a good laugh, just laughing in a good way.\n Thus, I'd be laughing in a scadenfreudorific fashion.\n fullermd, oh right, i slightly misread your original message\n yeah.,\n fair enough\n fullermd, still, lol @ \"schadenfrude\"\n (yes, language _is_ my plaything, why do you ask? ;)\n i don't ask ;-)\n but i do admire the rare software developer who has a good grasp of natural language in addition to those of the programming variety.\n Well, I'm a perl guy, not a python nut. Twisting things into valid but bizarrely hideous constructs is second nature.\n Maybe first and a halfth nature.\n heh\n thou speaketh not with forked tongue.\n Depends on what I'm working on. Sometimes, my language _does_ get pretty forked.\n fullermd, especially if it's process-related bash ;-)\n Oh, I'd be all KINDS of forked off if my processes started showing up under bash...\n * fullermd hugs his precious %\n meh, powershell is what the cool kids use these days.\n I... you... it doesn't... the world... I...\n * fullermd huddles up in the corner whimpering.\n * Noldorin_ ticks off the 100'th unix fan he's made sob\n you got to admit, windows users are harder to troll :-D\n Do you get a new badge for that, or is it just an endorsement?\n personal gratification\n everyone has their own way :-)\n Well, yeah. But it's uncouth to even try.\n It's unsporting to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.\n oh trust me, if i wanted to face an unarmed man, i'd pick on Apple users.\n i daresay there's 100s of delightfully trollable users online Freenode right now!\n *sits here typing this on his MacBook Pro*\n If you unsuccessfully troll yourself, is that victory or defeat?\n it's some strange superposition of the two\n Schrodinger called it win-lose.\n it has adverse affects on the fabric of quantum space-time.\n Ah yes, Quantum Trollodynamics. Much harder to evaluate than the old Substandard Model.\n i can't decide whether that's the study of the motion of tiny trolls, or the study of the effects of a little bit of trolling\n Well, it means when you get into sufficiently small quantities of trolling, it becomes impossible to tell which side is being trolled. Only on the macro-level do things settle down.\n yeah. it's what makes uber-trolls so deterministic.\n predictable, that is.\n i'm still waiting for the 10^-50 chance some uber-troll spontaneously trolls himself.\n These sort of things have a built in uncertainty principle, too. It's impossible to discuss them at all without driving any real physicists in the audience into a seething rage over pop-cultural interpretations of their field...\n it's the only reason i'm on IRC, you now\n know*\n research into QTD.\n quantum troll displacement?\n quantum trollodynamics\n but indeed, displacement is an interesting phenomenon too\n i hear there's a net out-flux from EFnet these days\n That's just Cherangstkov radiation.\n fullermd, funnily enough, i am a \"physicist\", and as such can vouch that our humour is pretty much confined to this level\n in the same way the quark-gluon palsma is confined to the atomic nucleus.\n Only until we turn up the Electron Pump.\n don't meddle with such things\n the results are unknowable!\n Oh sure, _that_ advice always has the desired effect :p\n You say \"meddle\", I say \"hold my beer and watch this!\"\n irony is interpreted literally by physicists, alas\n So I Fe.\n you iron?\n ppft.\n Sometimes iron, sometimes youron.\n I don't know. Third base.\n hah.\n well, i dare not pollute this channel any more. :-P\n 'twas a jolly good banter.\n If you flip it upside down, it makes a good turban :>\n even better\n i shall don the turban (turban?) and depart.\n adieu\n No, aeiou\n is there a way to get bzr to print the actual diffs of a range of commits as a patch? something like git format patch or git log -p.\n i've got a few commits in my repo but there's lots of unadded/changed files and bzr diff -r keeps sticking those in the output\n not sure i follow, 'actual diffs' as opposed to changes?\n actual diffs as in the diffs that went into the change. the output you would see from git log -p\n including the commit message? bzr log --show-diff might be what oure after\n hmm, that's close! it's still showing files with unadded modifications though\n don't think i can help you past that - i'm not deep into such things. hopefully someone else will appear soon and give you a solution\n thanks for offering\n np,gl\n (i tried a dummy commit after my good commits but it still shows unadded files, wtf)\n richardus: bzr log -p\n always amusing when go to retarget a bug I just got mail for and see jelmer did it five minutes ago\n ...passing around doing the same, and see gz commented on it 12 minutes later but still 5 minutes ago ;-p\n ehehe\n wgz: clearly you should install a faster MDA :-P\n hey folks\n any bzr windows devs around?\n * fullermd has the weirdest feeling of deja vu.\n hi Noldorin, fullermd\n fullermd, who knows why\n hi jelmer\n The Shadow knows!\n tau neutrinos must have broken the speed limit again!\n tut tut\n wgz, you're not a windows dev are you? \"_\n on the basis of this evening, no\n Noldorin: if you have a question, it's generally best to just ask it\n if I don't know the answer, someone else in the channel may.\n heh okay, i suppose\n does anyone know how to set up bzr as a Windows service?\n server, of course\n you generally don't, because you need an authentication layer\n so, I have apache running as a service, and mod_wsgi imports bzrlib\n or you could have an ssh server, or something else, which would then invoke bzr\n so, what are you trying to do exactly? just share stuff over the local network, or expose bzr to the internet?\n wgz, both intranet and internet\n wgz, surely smart server is the way to do it?\n sure, but it has no authentication, so you can't use `bzr serve`\n how do you mean?\n if you let the internet access a plain bzr tcp protocol, you're letting the entire world do whatever they like to your disk\n oh sure. of course\n hence the use of bzr+http or bzr+ssh rather than just bzr\n but smart serv uses ssh no?\n in which case, you're not running bzr as a service, you're running httpd or sshd as a service\n no.\n except i'm on windows\n heh\n but fair enough\n#bzr 2012-11-26\n Can any UDDers please perform this? $ requeue_package.py --full initramfs-tools\n don't you want #launchpad instead?\n Someone recommended that I go here for this request.\n jam, maybe?\n Or lifeless?\n Logan_: lifeless is no longer @canonical, but I'll look into it. One moment.\n Alright, thanks. :)\n I'm requesting it based on http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/ and the linked https://bugs.launchpad.net/udd/+bug/714622 , which recommends running that command for packages that encounter that bzr failure. It has worked in the past.\n Ubuntu bug 714622 in Ubuntu Distributed Development \"import fails when lp branch has been push --overwrite'n\" [High,Confirmed]\n Logan_: I have requeued your package.\n Awesome, thanks jam. :)\n morning\n i've a need to use svn to contribute to some open-source project, so wonder how does bzr-svn compare with hg & git's options?\n otoh, it's sad to see bzr development stalled :-(\n bzr-svn is pretty good\n mornin'\n morning mgz\n lifeless: what's going to happen with bzr?\n hiya\n so what exactly is the difference between development-colo and bzr-colo, and how am I supposed to use the former?\n hello All..\n im pretty new to bazaar and would like to implement it in my workplace..\n bzr-explorer is good and would like to master it so that i can talk to developers on how to use it and create a workflow.\n 1 issue im facing is..\n i have a revision in the server with name, think-blog..\n i checkout in a client (win7) machine with bzr-explorer installed.\n it asks for sftp password when doing checkout which is normal.\n once i download, if im not wrong, the revision with its history is saved in the client..\n but here whenever i open bazaar explorer and open that working tree, it asks for passwords.. when i do a diff, it asks for passwrods..\n why is it still dependent on the server which actually should be doing everything from the local perspective ?\n any ideas ?\n or is it that im doing it wrong ?\n hi,.. anybody ?\n jiku: you don't want a lightweight checkout, you want to make a proper branch\n mgz, oh.. ok...\n i was doing that by default..\n let me try again.\n you then also may want to put the passwords in your authentications.conf file, see `bzr help authentication`\n ok..\n let me try this..\n or, use an agent so you don't type the password each time but use a public key instea\n d\n mathrick: you don't want to use development-colo, but you can use the builtin colo support in 2.6, it's just a little less polished than the bzr-colo plugin\n mgz, hmm..\n looks like, whenever i do a checkout using explorer, it does with --lightweight enabled.\n you don't want to do checkout\n you want a branch\n (I suspect)\n if you have options over workflows, you really don't want to emulate the centralised server thing of svn etc\n mgz, true.. yes..\n mgz, was confused with git (never used but just read).. there you checkout and branch.. (if im not wrong)\n depends what you think you can get everyone else to use, but having a full branch locally, and working with trunk+merge is how to get the main benefit of dvcs\n yes.. right.. this is what we need actually.. there shouldn't be a centralized locking..\n in git, saying 'checkout' means get me all the history, and branch just... prints the branch name or something\n mgz: right, but still, how do I use it? I don't see much explaining how to do it\n mathrick: basically, you just create a new standalone branch, do `bzr switch -b trunk` or whatever to name the default branch\n ah\n then you can do `bzr switch -b feature` to create a feature branch\n `bzr switch trunk` to go back to trunk\n and what about cloning, will it carry over all branches?\n the main missing thing is a nice addressing scheme for colocated branches outside of a few commands\n I see an open bug about it, so I guess not?\n right, it doesn't, though there's a workaround of some kind I think\n what'd that be?\n not sure, but it's reasonably trivial to iterate over local branches and push them all up, there's a plugin that does something like that for shared repos\n this was what I hoped most for, along with fixing the fact that bzr-colo refers to branches with absolute paths, which breaks alternative approaches of just sharing the same workspace dir amongst many machines\n mgz: well, yes, but it needs thinking on my part and remembering to do it. As much as I think git's model is stupid, the fact that fetch carries over everything is a boon\n not just my part, but everyone I talk to\n which is a bigger problem really\n mgz: does 2.6 need anything in the way of the branch format to support colocated branches?\n nope, that's all done\n so just 2a?\n it's just making it all pretty to use that's unfinished\n mhm\n I'm using it for one project currently as an experiment\n apart from some confusion setting up, and needing to know to type file:,branch=FEATURE in a few circumstances, I've not had any issues\n that said, I've not wanted to push all branches, push has been specifically for updating remote trunk after feature branch merge\n jam: Can you please do < requeue_package.py --full iscsitarget > when you get the chance? Thanks so much!\n (Or any other UDDer, for that matter.)\n warum?\n I can do this... well, I could look at the package log as well, but would prefer to not take 15 minutes looking at it first.\n Is shelve expected to work with bzr-svn? I'm getting \"NotImplementedError: '>>\"\n nDuff: no, I don't think it works with bzr-svn\n#bzr 2012-11-27\n Hi there, what's the proper way to resolve a content conflict when you have a directory and you have a directory from the tree you're merging but you really don't want that directory to be there? I tried bzr rm [directory], but then when I do bzr resolve, it doesn't seem to list it as resolved\n I guess after rm -rf the directory, if I do bzr resolve --all. it takes care of it\n hey\n I have a branch which is in split mode (well, I guess seeing my change to .bzr-builddeb/default.conf)\n but when I bzr bd, I see: Building package in native mode\n and then:\n This package has a Debian revision number but there does not seem to be\n an appropriate original tar file or .orig directory in the parent directory;\n \u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n any idea what can happen? Forcing split mode with --split in bzr bd, it works fine\n didrocks: debian/source/format perhaps?\n jelmer: it's set to 3.0 (quilt), does it impact it? it's run before bzr split it?\n oh\n yeah, it's native, not split\n thanks jelmer :)\n#bzr 2012-11-28\n I just did my first Pull Request on GitHub.\n I feel dirty.\n Did you wear gloves?\n sometimes when i try to rebase, bzr identifies almost an entire file being in conflict when only a small portion has changed - does that sound like I'm doing something wrong?\n In bzr land, using rebase is doing it wrong, but anyway.\n i've just noted that if i try a merge instead, it seems to pick out the lines that have actually changed\n AfC: can I quote you on that?\n (i'm not a fan of rebasing with bzr at all! :-) )\n gmarkall: sure\n gmarkall: Bazaar takes a much stronger view of merging, and doesn't encourage people to throw history away. Some Git communities think that merging (by anyone other than the maintainer) is bad, so rebase.\n gmarkall: my impression is that GitHub has effectively made it such that people don't have to think about this anymore, but we'll see\n I hardly ever rebase in bzr\n The only time I do it is when I accidentally diverged history on a branch, say, between my laptop and my server by not being up-to-date first before committing locally on the laptop\n I cherrypick specific changes from time to time, which is pretty much the same thing\n but easier to do safely as you have two branches at all points\n AfC: thanks. when you say \"people don't have to think about this anymore\", are you referring to the fact that you can just click a button to merge a pull request as long as its rebased on the branch being merged into?\n or do you mean that people are rebasing without thinking?\n gmarkall: no, that it's provinding better UI around commit selection and selectively viewing history\n gmarkall: meaning you don't have to rebase\n ah, right\n so anyway, if a project is using bzr and wants clean history (hence the rebasing), it's acceptable to say \"you're not using a good strategy, could you please start using merging instead of rebasing?\"\n since i'm relatively inexperienced with bzr, i'd be nervous about telling people how to use it without being sure of what i'm saying\n gmarkall: hmmm, telling others how to work is perhaps not the way to go\n Not? Well, what's the fun in THAT?\n * LarstiQ_ stresses the perhaps\n it does seem rather brazen\n * LarstiQ_ isn't sure what to suggest\n gmarkall: how attached are they to this workflow?\n gmarkall: rebasing can be useful, but there are reasons not to do it all the time. Perhaps dig up a post by Linus where he complains about this.\n gmarkall: I guess I don't understand this desire for a \"clean history\" over real history\n * LarstiQ_ back to math\n Hey, you eliminate terms in math. That's just like making a clean history ;p\n I know its a bit silly to enter and ask this question but I do have quite a bit of experience of SCMs but can't really find a proper \"modern\" comparison of bzr and hg. If anyone can share their view on why bzr is preferrable I am interested.\n I have used git, SVN, CVS, darcs and even hg a bit a few years back. Only dabbled with bzr but now I am contemplating giving it a more serious try.\n Hi.\n What does 'bzr rmbranch' do exactly?\n What if I just do 'rm -rf foo' on the branch checkout and directory inside my shared tree?\n What is the difference?\n wilx: rmbranch removes the branch, not the tree or the control directory\n Hmm, like in the shared repository's metadata?\n wilx: in older style bzr branches it basically removes .bzr/branch\n Or to put it another way around: Can I safely do 'rm -rf foo work-foo' to remove the temporary foo branch from my shared repo?\n Ah.\n wilx: yes\n Cool, thank you.\n#bzr 2012-11-29\n morning!\n hey mgz!\n hey!\n hey jelmer, mgz ;)\n hi vila\n hi #bzr, i'm getting the error 'bzr: ERROR: Unable to connect to target of bound branch BzrBranch7(file:///Users/jlf/trunk/) => bzr+ssh://jlf@bzr.savannah.gnu.org/emacs/trunk/: Not a branch: \"bzr+ssh://jlf@bzr.savannah.gnu.org/emacs/trunk/\".' when i try to do bzr up -- this may be due to firewall settings beyond my control. can i specify an alternate transport method to update my repo?\n jlf: that depends on what savannah is providing\n jlf: but, maybe that is not the problem\n jlf: can you verify some other way /emacs/trunk exists and is a bzr branch?\n jlf: hitchhiker might be helpful\n i've used this in the past without incident, but i suspect the firewall is blocking me from this location\n aha, then the error is a bit misleading\n it wouldn't be the first time :)\n jlf: other transports are slower, but you could see if http or sftp works (though if ssh works, sftp probably doesn't either)\n jlf: myself I'd maybe try tunneling ssh through somewhere else\n i'm something of a noob -- how can i check and specify the transport method? iow i can set up a tunnel but i don't know how to tell bzr to go there instead of savannah:22\n jlf: if savannah provides the bzr:// protocol you can also try that\n jlf: let's see\n jlf: either a Host entry in ~/.ssh/config, since bzr calls out to ssh anyway, or\n jlf: bzr+ssh://host:port/path\n LarstiQ_: thanks. since i don't see an option to specify transport in bzr up , how should i specify it?\n jlf: that sounds like you're using a checkout\n i'm an extremely casual user but i have pushed a few changes into the tree successfully this way\n jlf: you can use `bzr bind bzr+ssh://host:port` to bind your checkout to something else\n great, thank you!\n jlf: remember to change it back when the firewall is no longer an obstacle :)\n * jlf nods\n Doing manual ssh/sftp-ery is a good way to see if you can't track down where things break.\n#bzr 2012-11-30\n someone removed my .rvmrc file from the repo ... once upon a time it was mainted in the repo\n is there a way to restore the version in a given revno?\n morning\n is there a tool to visualise the branching of several branches with same root?\n launchpad has something like that on project pages iirc\n you can run qlog in a shared repo and get multi-branch history, probably not quite what you want but can be handy\n that's for only one branch though?\n how would I go about traversing everything in a shared repository and creating a graphviz diagram for it? http://people.canonical.com/~mwh/bzrlibapi/bzrlib.repository.Repository.html#all_revision_ids returns an iterator over a http://people.canonical.com/~mwh/bzrlibapi/bzrlib.revision.html I assume...\n ccxCZ: see the bzr branches command for reference, bzrlib/builtins.py cmd_branches\n hmm, so far it seems simpler to postprocess the output of log --long --with-ids with awk instead of doing it using bzrlib\n ccxCZ: qlog can do multiple branches, `bzr qlog ~/branch1 ~/branch2` is an example from its help\n neat, thanks\n hi, I'm doing bzr export new-folder mybranch and it's a pretty big directory, on which I run ./configure && make -- then when I make change to my branch, is there a way to update the exported folder without rewriting all the files there?\n lduros: not sure, I'll note that bzr-upload does smarter sync, but if it's just for a local build dir that's probably not what you want\n hmm, right yeh\n mgz: I guess the easiest thing to do is to just copy those files manually\n :-)\n any particular reason you're not just using a lightweight checkout and using update say?\n mgz: no, no reason, didn't think about it\n mgz: i'm still learning bzr really\n I'm trying to figure out what you mean by a lightweight checkout ;-)\n well, some things match particular ways of doing stuff better, it's always a bit hard to see without trying and seeing what hurts :)\n no local branch or repo\n ok\n hehe\n lduros: *nod* -- lightweight checkouts are more like the traditional svn way of doing things\n so, `bzr checkout --lightweight mybranch new-folder`\n mgz: so I just do this: bzr checkout mybranch mylightweightco?\n ah ok\n nice :-)\n alright, that should same me some time on the build :-)\n as it's a real versioned thing linked to the branch, it can do more, but also possible to get in a bit of a muddle, provided you remember you can just ignore stuff in there if it's a scratch build folder you should be fine\n right, ok :-)\n mgz: thanks much for the lesson!\n what I often do for build-intensive projects where I actually want to use feature branches is have a --no-trees repo with all the branches under it, then a 'tree' lightweight checkout I work in and switch between the branches, and other checkouts on demand\n hmm, sounds like the way to go!\n mgz: so once I have made changes to my branch, how do I bring them in my lightweight checkout. if I do bzr merge ../mybranch, it tells me the working tree has uncommitted changes\n bzr update?\n yeh looks like it\n cool!\n :-)\n that's the one :)\n#bzr 2013-11-25\n Hi, how do I get the code from a directory in a bzr repository? specifically.. how do I get the code here http://bzr.mozilla.org/bmo/4.2/files\n amitprakash: bzr branch http://bzr.mozilla.org/bmo/4.2 I imagine\n So... It turns out that bzr over a 3-hop ProxyCommand sshfs is a liiiitttle bit slow\n Like... orders of magnitude slower than just filesystem access on the disk\n That's 'cuz 3 is a prime number. Add 1 more hop; perfect squares are way faster.\n Avaneya, a libre cerebral sci-fi for GNU under development! https://www.avaneya.com\n#bzr 2013-11-26\n anyone know how to fix this error with the bzr-svn plugin? \"No module named subvertpy\"\n vinmassaro, install python-subvertpy maybe?\n abentley: Hey, Yesterday I received a bug report about bzrtools being out of date wrt bzr-2.6 for the Fedora packaging.\n abentley: Any plans to make a new bzrtools release for bzr-2.6?\n abadger1999: Sorry, I've been slack.\n abentley: no worries. Just making sure bzrtools is still alive ;-)\n * fullermd tightens abentley a few turns.\n beuno: ok, just installed subvertpy and now i get \"ERROR: exceptions.ImportError: cannot import name CommittedQueue\" when running `bzr info`\n abadger1999: IIRC, there actually are some compatibility problems, so doing it will require some work.\n abentley: I saw that you had a compat commt on bzrtools.dev and this branch was pointed out to me: https://code.launchpad.net/~andrewsomething/bzrtools/kill_get_ancestry/+merge/126586\n I don't know the bzr code well enough to know what else might need changing.\n beuno: FWIW i installed an older version of subvertpy and it works now. thanks!\n vinmassaro, cool cool\n hello world\n I've downloaded https://code.launchpad.net/~jr/+junk/kubuntu-docs-downloader and made some modifications, I want to uploaded it to my account and then send it to the devveloper to be merged. How do I do that?\n#bzr 2013-11-27\n Is there a release/branch of BzrTools compatible with Bzr v2.6.0 release? Checking here http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/BzrTools & https://code.launchpad.net/bzrtools , does not appear to be ...\n#bzr 2013-11-28\n Meh.. shelve's Edit manually is all well and good but I've never managed to unshelve it without it leaving two levels of conflict markers in my file... :/\n hi. i moved a whole bzr controlled directory and now when i do 'pull' i get 'error: not a branch'\n#bzr 2013-11-29\n hey guys, i need some help with a merge, my scenario is exactly like this guy: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6581330/how-to-properly-merge-two-bzr-branches\n But I would like to see all the differences between the files\n Can someone tell me how bzr merge works?\n#bzr 2013-11-30\n hey guys!\n#bzr 2013-12-01\n hey guys\n anyone on?\n hello\n anybody can help me to publicate font on ubuntu?\n https://github.com/texrg/Labiryntowy\n this is freeware\n#bzr 2014-11-24\n What's the easiest way to split up a big patch into a bunch of smaller ones?\n well, you can either commit only some of the files at a time\n or you can select only certain parts of files to commit, although i believe that requires staging (this is easiest in bzr explorer -> stage)\n err, shelve\n is bzr explorer some other tool?\n its a GUI for bazaar, makes certain things eaiser\n easier*\n how do I make a local commit? I split one of my patches manually and it won't let me commit, since it seems to want to send to the remote.\n bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apparmor-dev/apparmor/master/.bzr/branch/lock): Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()\n you append --local when you do bzr commit, although thats weird that its doing that, is it bound to the http version of the branch?\n probably should unbind the branch, 'bzr unbind'\n and rebind it with the correct url, \"bzr branch lp:apparmor\"\n err \"bzr bind lp:apparmor\"\n and then I can commit locally?\n if you 'bind' a branch, it wants to commit to remote after you commit locally, sort of like svn\n if you only want to commit locally now, just 'bzr unbind'\n okay so I did the bind thing and same sort of thing bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(chroot-72202384:///%2Bbranch/apparmor/.bzr/branch/lock): Transport operation not possible: readonly transport\n so I have to unbind every time I want to commit locally?\n no way to add multiple remotes like with git, and choose when and where to push?\n what is chroot-72202384?\n no idea :D\n Bind is just a convince, to make it act like SVN, its not really like a git remote\n jelmer: do you have any idea what his problem is?\n you can just leave it 'unbound', and then when you are ready, you commit it, and push it to launchpad, then you can do a merge request there\n k, I think that answers an unasked question.. so when I bind, I'm binding to my own personal thing then\n can people choose individual commits from my online version?\n (without manually editing that is)\n they can set the branch tip to be a certain commit and merge that\n although i'm pretty sure merging one commit is preferable then a bunch of them\n you can have multiple commits, like commit 1: fixed thing, part 1, commit 2: part 2, commit 3: finished feature, and then at commit 3 they merge it\n k, well I have a feature, a few fixes, and some typos, and 2 major performance fixes (one or the other or both takes a certain audit.log processing down from unknown >1h to 5 min :))\n well actually one of the bugs is 1/2 performance fixes\n well usually in all version controls, a merge request should be 1 thing\n so I can just dump that there and they won't scream?\n so 1 merge for a feature, 1 for the bug fixes, etc\n can I request one feature merged even if my online thing has a bunch?\n i'd probably ask on wherever apparmor's irc is and see if they have a preference\n k, I think they just want email on the list\n but the online thing would be an interesting option, like if I could link them to my patches there or something\n that too, you can just generate a patch file\n i would just have it so you have the base that you branched off of\n one patch file that goes from base -> code with feature\n one that is base -> code with bug fixes\n one with base -> log improvements, tec\n etc*\n what I was planning was to split my commit into a few, then do like \"git diff oldremote commit1\" and send, then \"git diff commit1 commit2\" etc\n does that plan make sense with bzr?\n so to merge my question and your question... you say file, but I say commit. Can bzr do diffs between local commits like git can?\n yeah\n \"bzr diff -p1\" is equivalent to \"bzr diff --prefix old/:new/\", and\n produces patches suitable for \"patch -p1\"\n I have been simply using \"diff\" and patch -p1 seems happy :D\n \"bzr diff\" that is\n or maybe I imagined it\n https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-historycache/+bug/382957 how do I disable plugins?\n Launchpad bug 382957 in Bazaar History Cache \"bzr: ERROR: Transport operation not possible: readonly transport\" [Low,Confirmed]\n so you are using bzr-historycache?\n I don't think so https://bpaste.net/show/7281d000cfdc\n so is that not my bug?\n can you paste the entire traceback when you are getting the 'transport operation not possible'?\n there is no trace, only that line\n is this related then? do I need to create a new branch? https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/154704\n one sec\n are you sure your branch is unbound?\n bzr info -v\n paste that in pastebin\n I am not sure of anything... I don't know bzr at all :D https://bpaste.net/show/cfc4a9afda09\n it is not unbound\n so run bzr unbind just to be sure\n because I ran \"bzr bind lp:apparmor\"\n but I wanted to put it on lp to test it\n just run 'bzr unbind', don't need to specify a url\n you need to create a branch on launchpad i believe\n or fork it\n somehow on bzr\n one sec let me find it\n ok\n you branched lp:apparmor\n for something i did a while ago, it says for me (except it was lp:bzr)\n https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6086156f7e6d80caeb81\n so try bzr push lp:~/bzr/\n push, or bind?\n push\n that will put your branch on launchpad\n and then you can go to \"https://code.launchpad.net/~apparmor-dev/apparmor/master\", and click \"propose for merging\"\n how can someone view my branch without a propose for merging?\n oh I guess I found it.... clicked \"code\" tab at the top of my page https://code.launchpad.net/~peter-maloney/bzr/peter\n yeah\n you put that as the \"Target Branch\" when you are \"registering a merge\"\n (when you are here: https://code.launchpad.net/~apparmor-dev/apparmor/master/+register-merge)\n yes but the apparmor project does it on the mailing list, so I'll play around with the lp pushing, but not do the merge request\n ok\n so thanks for all the help\n and I decided that copying my bzr repo, using vimdiff one file at a time, then commiting the copied repo works for splitting patches\n ok! let me know if you have any more questions =)\n (copying bzr repo, then \"bzr revert\" that is)\n#bzr 2016-11-29\n vila: thanks!\n#bzr 2016-11-30\n a coworker committed an uncommited file, then reverted it, what happened to the changes?\n ah there it is\n nevermind\n#bzr 2017-11-29\n Is there a command to shelve and then unshelve --keep? It would be nice to have a bzr snapshot command\n snapshot?\n#bzr 2017-11-30\n yeah maybe snapshot is a dumb approach and I'm really looking for bzr shelve --keep option\n Why shelve it?\n let's say I am developing and then I want to try something crazy\n commit --local\n I want to shelve, unshelve --keep and then try my crazy idea. It doesn't work then revert and unshelve\n ah\n does that work only on checkout mode?\n that's a commit without push\n You can also unbind first, which is then equivslent\n I'm developing unbounded\n So just commit\n and then uncommit\n You could.. or revert back to an earlier point\n okay I'll try that. not bad idea\n looks like I was just afraid to commit\n ;)\n Do you know how uncommit works internally? Is it an actual uncommit or a simulation by applying a reverse diff?\n Actual uncommit. (And it doesn't remove the commit from the repository.)\n (It removes it from the branch, but not the repository's underlying storage.)\n ah, so logs are still present but no diff/undiff\n or are you saying the repository does diff then undiff and the branch gets stripped?\n Neither?\n like for instance if a password was checked in and then uncommitted. would the password data exist somewhere?\n Yes.\n okay\n Yes./32\n Oops\n thx guys\n btw, bzr is my favorite and I don't want to move from it and it seems to me that it's not gaining popularity and that scares me\n One sign I found was Trac and Bzr not working as well anymore and it appeared that nobody was interested in fixing the incompatibilities in the tracbzr plugin for quite some time. It works better now but still all basic functionality is not there.\n I've already decided I'm going to sink with the ship. (If there is any sinking)\n"], ["#ubuntu-eu 2010-12-20\n zed, any cool news?\n zed: yeah news would be really great :)\n mails should be arriving now...\n zed: great, means only munin and mysql slave are missing for now?! (+ nightly backups of the db) + my account\n apollo13: at least yes :)\n hello\n eshu is down, correct?\n could somebody give me an update about the current status?\n zed: nice, eshu is spamming me with shitloads of mails :)\n great...\n so probably the best thing to do is move the mailing lists to launchpad?\n sorry, i was searching for a channel in basque (EUskera) language\n#ubuntu-eu 2010-12-21\n Hey everyone I just want to thank you all for the wonderful OS on behalf of me and the people of france and the crew at http://www.myefact.com we wouldnt have been able to do half of what we do if it wasn't for Ubuntu so THANKS UBUNTU DEVS!!!!!\n#ubuntu-eu 2010-12-22\n hi\n wanted to ask - i read eshu has been compromised - wasnt it the backup server as well? Cause if it still is it'd have root access to all other boxes...\n#ubuntu-eu 2010-12-23\n zed: so, how's eshu?\n zed: can you setup fwman again and replication (and sooner or later gimme access?:))\n#ubuntu-eu 2011-12-20\n zed, any news from eshu? can we get a tar.gz with its data?\n 2-3 weeks of downtime is simply out of question\n well, the sponsor of the server is somewhat very \"big\" in terms of number of servers, it's incredibly hard to get someone to work specifically on our case (outside of normal procedures), they state we should have backups, they say they can't (or aren't allowed) to take specific disks from a machine and put them in another\n wtf?\n without the disks/data we don't need a new eshu\n we have many servern in N\u00c3\u00bcrnberg and K\u00c3\u00b6ln\n important is the data, not esu at all\n can u ask them for a backup/dump of the disks?\n it's not more we need\n i know that big provider make big trouble, but i think there should be a way to handle this issue\n have you any contacts to dedibox (cn, mail, whatever)\n whats about the remote-kvm zed? no way?\n encbladexp: the remote kvm doesn't work, it starts on a pxe image, but the server doesn't boot\n (they say the machine has a nic issue)\n ok\n did you mean they could send us the disks to germany?\n zed, can i get contacts at dedibox? i just don't want give up :-/\n zed, no chance to get a dump from eshu?\n can i get a copy of your mails between you and dedibox?\n#ubuntu-eu 2011-12-21\n brap brap\n#ubuntu-eu 2011-12-25\n zed, FYI -> We don't need an new eshu, and moving all services to some new servers in Cologne\n (Backups of the old data where nice too)\n"], ["#ubuntu-jp 2011-07-12\n test\n a\n whois\n WHOIS\n test\n \u00e3\u0083\u0086\u00e3\u0082\u00b9\u00e3\u0083\u0088\n \u00e5\u00a4\u00a7\u00e5\u00ae\u00b6\u00e5\u00a5\u00bd\n ping\n pong\n \u00e3\u0081\u0082\u00e3\u0082\u0089\u00e3\u0080\u0082\n 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motherboards out there?\n"], ["#ubuntu-de 2011-08-01\n Also ich bin scheinbar zu dumm: Rechner sind beide per LAN-Kabel miteinander verbunden. Auf dem Desktop habe ich moritz@SGE:~$ scp moritz@192.168.1.89:/var/log/Xorg.0.log /tmp/ eingegeben, wobei 89 das Netbook ist auf das ich zugreifen m\u00c3\u00b6chte. Resultat: ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.89 port 22: Network is unreachable. Hab ich da die falschen IP-Adressen angegeben? Das sind halt die vom Router zugewiesenen, an dem die Rechner jetzt ja l\n ogischerweise nicht mehr h\u00c3\u00a4ngen...\n in dem fall musst du das schon manuell konfigurieren\n statisch\n vorausgesetzt, die beiden NICs unterst\u00c3\u00bctzen \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt sone direkte verbindung ohne crossover kabel\n Wieso sind nicht beide am Router?\n Kann ich die vom Router zugewiesenen denn generell nutzen wenn die beide dran h\u00c3\u00a4ngen? Dann such ich n l\u00c3\u00a4ngeres Lan-Kabel\n wenn beide am router h\u00c3\u00a4ngen?\n klar, das ist sinn der sache\n okay\n jetzt hat sich mein Problem aber noch weiter ver\u00c3\u00a4ndert. Ich hatte den Rechner neugestartet, jetzt kann ich mich nicht mal mehr \u00c3\u00bcber ne konsole anmelden, au\u00c3\u009fer ich gehe \u00c3\u00bcber den recovery mode rein... ist das egal f\u00c3\u00bcr ssh?\n ist es^^ halleluja auch ich habs noch geschafft, hier der log bekks u.a.: http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/401857/\n der findet dein fglrx modul nicht\n bau das mal neu\n sudo dpkg-reconfigure fglrx\n f\u00c3\u00bcr das s205 brauchte ich bei mir \u00c3\u00bcbrigens den 2.6.39er kernel damit fglrx richtig lief\n ich hatte ihn ja schon mal am Laufen.... ohne Probleme, dann downgrade auf freien Treiber und jetzt funktioniert nichts mehr :P\n oh, sag das doch\n l\u00c3\u00b6sch deine /etc/X11/xorg.conf\n dann sollte alles gehen\n in der steht aber eig. das \"richtige\" drin, also driver fglrx\n abert ich l\u00c3\u00b6sch sie mal, mom\n fglrx ist der unfreie treiber\n ja, weiss ich. Der ist momentan installiert\n ..\n also willst du gerade NICHT auf den freien wechseln?\n nein erstmal nicht, ich will \"nur\" den fglrx zum laufen kriegen\n weiss nicht ab wo du mein Problem mitgelesen hast\n und das paket fglrx ist installiert? hat dpkg-reconfigure und ein anschlie\u00c3\u009fendes 'sudo aticonfig --initial' was gebracht?\n auf meinem s205 nutze ich \u00c3\u00bcbrigens dieses ppa https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates und einen 3.6.39er kernel http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/2-6-39-in-natty-mit-ubuntu-patches/ \n also ich habe fglrx installiert, da ich jetzt im recovery mode bin war fglrx nicht geladen, aber nach modprobe fglrx wird es mit lsmod auch angezeigt\n also ist es ja installiert\n dpkg-reconfigure hab ich gemacht, allerdings das aticonfig --initial vergessen\n ich mach beide schritte jetzt nochmal neu, mit geladenem fglrx modul im recovery-mode\n super... jetzt sagt er mir fglrx sei kaputt oder nicht vollst\u00c3\u00a4ndig installiert\n wer sagt dsy\n aso, sry: dpkg-reconfigure\n schlecht :o\n und sudo apt-get --reinstall install fglrx ?\n mom\n moment, wie hast du fglrx installiert?\n aus der paketverwaltung, hoffe ich doch?\n \u00c3\u00bcber apt-get install fglrx\n ok\n wie kann man unvollst\u00c3\u00a4ndige gesplittete rar archive teilweise entpacken?\n mit file roller scheints nicht zu gehen\n und hab grad kein bock auf commandline-fu\n unrar x -kb datei1.rar\n ok jetzt hab ich den reinstall befehl gemacht\n jetzt dpkg-reconfigure? oder direct aticonfig --initial?\n letzteres\n danke ppq <3\n *rotwerd*\n :D\n aticonfig --initial: Befehl nicht gefunden\n ach fuck, muss ich jetzt noch die xorg.conf bearbeiten?\n installier mal noch fglrx-amdcccle\n vllt ist aticonfig da mit drin\n hm n\u00c3\u00b6 ist es nicht\n amdcccle ist schon neueste Version. Ich installiers mit --reinstall nochmal neu\n hast du auch ans sudo gedacht?\n bin ja momentan als root angemeldet\n achja, recovery\n /usr/lib/fglrx/bin/aticonfig --initial\n falls das aus irgendeinem grund nicht als symlink in einem verzeichnis liegt das in deinem PATH ist\n Unable to open /etc/ati/control, please reinstall the driver. /usr/lib/fglrx/bin/aticonfig: No supported adapters detected.\n hmpf\n pack mal '/usr/lib/fglrx/bin/aticonfig --initial' in deine /etc/rc.local, vor die zeile mit exit 0 und starte neu. denk mal dass das irgendwie am recovery mode liegt\n hab gerade iwie das Gef\u00c3\u00bchl, dass ich was grundlegend falsch mache und verchecke^^\n okay\n und jetzt versuchen normal zu booten?\n jo\n nope passiert immernoch nichts, kann mich auch nicht \u00c3\u00bcber die konsole anmelden. nur schwarzer bildschirm\n ach was mir dabei auff\u00c3\u00a4llt: ich sehe den screen mit dem ubuntu schriftzug noch, also wo dann unten die punkte durchlaufen.... falls das iwie hilft\n ne warte, nach noch einem neustart konnt ich mich jetzt wieder p\u00c3\u00bcber konsole anmelden...\n was ist das f\u00c3\u00bcrn scheiss...\n hrm\n als n\u00c3\u00a4chstes k\u00c3\u00b6nntest du nen neuen fglrx/kernel ausprobieren\n wenn ich mit Strg Alt F7 wieder zur theoretisch grafischen oberfl\u00c3\u00a4che wechsel ist die letzte medlung die ich sehe auch wieder: Unable to open /etc/ati/control, please reinstall the driver. /usr/lib/fglrx/bin/aticonfig: No supported adapters detected.\n hrm\n die fglrx version kann durchaus zu alt sein\n ich nutze wie gesagt ne neue, hatte auch irgendwelche probleme deswegen iirc\n ja aber die Sache ist ja, dass ich den schon mal am laufen hatte davor. Genau die gleiche Version aus den Repos.... deswegen w\u00c3\u00bcrds mich halt wundern, wenns daran liegen w\u00c3\u00bcrde\n nopaste doch noch ma die ausgabe von 'sudo apt-get --reinstall install fglrx', vllt gibts da irgendeine unauff\u00c3\u00a4llige fehlermeldung?\n wo find ich denn die log datei von apt-get?\n f\u00c3\u00bchr das einfach nochmal aus\n kann nich schaden :D\n sudo apt-get --reinstall install fglrx | pastebinit\n ja aber ich meine zum pasten nachher\n s.o.\n okay und wo liegt die dann? /home/.pastebinit ?!\n sry kenn das prog bisher nicht\n ne, das gibt dir direkt den link zum paste aus\n ach abgefahren! das ist ja geil\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/655970 hoffe nicht vertippt ;)\n ok, sieht eigtl. echt ganz ok aus -.-\n und wenn du jetzt 'sudo start gdm' machst?\n already running\n und \n und 'sudo stop gdm' und dann 'sudo start gdm'?\n ja wurde halt gestartet. was ist das denn f\u00c3\u00bcr ein prozess?\n also was sollte passieren?\n das ist der display manager\n beim starten solltest du in die grafische oberfl\u00c3\u00a4che geworfen werden\n wenn das nicht passiert... gehen mir langsam die ideen aus ;)\n nochmal ein x log zum vergleich w\u00c3\u00a4r aber nett:\n pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/655975\n hm ich dachte das passiert wenn man startx ausf\u00c3\u00bchrt...\n lsmod | grep fglrx\n ?\n nope nicht gelade... manuell mit modprobe nachladen?\n und dann nochmal n log?\n ja\n also, danach nochmal stop gdm/start gdm\n also modprobe fglrx, stop gdm, start gdm, log datei?\n ja\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/655977\n grunz\n das modul noch irgendwo geblacklistet?\n nicht dass ich w\u00c3\u00bcsste....\n /etc/modprobe.d/* mal durchgucken\n k\n passiert gern mal automatisch, gerade wenn man zwischen freien und unfreien treiber hin und her wechselt\n die blacklist.conf datei?\n alter...\n in der blacklist-local.conf steht fglrx drin!\n ich nehme an das sollte ich da raus l\u00c3\u00b6schen....?\n :DD\n ja\n das war dann wohl die ursache\n wie starte ich eig. aus der konsole neu?\n eoinfach restart?\n sudo reboot\n ah\n okay aber immernoch keine grafische oberfl\u00c3\u00a4che....\n den fglrx jetzt nochmal neu installieren?!\n also wieder mit reinstall ged\u00c3\u00b6ns\n hrmpf, dann war es wohl doch was anderes.\n nochmal n x log bitte\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/655985\n ach muss ich jetzt wieder die xorg.conf bearbeiten?\n ne die ist richtig\n wieder das gleiche also\n was genau hast du denn getan um auf den freien umzusteigen\n muss ich mal eben in mich gehen\n fglrx \u00c3\u00bcber paketverwaltung deinstalliert, dann die installation hiernach: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Grafikkarten/ATI/radeon#Installation inkl. des ersten 1. abschnitts unter probleme\n ich hatte auch ein purge fglrx gemacht, damit wirklcih alles weg ist... kp obs daran liegt?!\n mh, den workaround kannte ich noch nicht \n installier die ganzen sachen nochmal neu\n sudo apt-get install --reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-video-radeon xserver-xorg-core fglrx\n scheiss abtippen...\n tab completion\n der l\u00c3\u00a4dt die dateien nie neu runter... soll ich die vorher mal mit autoclean runterschmeissen?\n ja i know ;)\n ne neu runterladen musser nich\n ja dachte vlt. defekte datei oder was weiss ich...\n stop/start gdm? ;)\n j\n wieder kein Erfolg, startx danach sagt auch wieder, dass fglrx nicht existiere...\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/656002\n ka, was da los ist\n bin mal im bett\n okay :) thx anyway\n Bin ich gerade dr\u00c3\u00bcber gestolpert: http://www.rhomberg.de/111?var_sort=preis\n Soll keine Schleichwerbung sein, sondern wirklich ein Sch\u00c3\u00a4ppchentipp.\n xreal, so oder so v\u00c3\u00b6llig falscher kanal\n rumpe1: Dann geh' ich lieber... ich dachte halt, die Dame freut sich dr\u00c3\u00bcber.\n !bot\n Wozu braucht man einen \u00c2\u00bbNSPlugin Viewer\u00c2\u00ab? Ich erhalte eine Warnung \u00c3\u00a4hnlich wie in http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=53036.\n nspluginwrapper nutzt man, um unter Linux 64Bit den 32 Bit Adobe Flash Player zu nutzen.\n sash_: Du meinst dies: '~$ aptitude why nspluginwrapper; i flashplugin-installer depends on nspluginwrapper'?\n Ja, sowas.\n sash_: Vielen Dank!\n nspluginwrapper ist insgeasmt daf\u00c3\u00bcr da mozilla 32bit plugins in mozilla 64 bit auszuf\u00c3\u00bchren afaik\n geht auch mit anderen als flash\n Ja, wird aber haupts\u00c3\u00a4chlich f\u00c3\u00bcr Flash genutzt.\n stimmt\n weil adobe halt .... ist und keine vern\u00c3\u00bcftige 64bit version zu stande bringt\n denn toll l\u00c3\u00a4uft das dann auch nicht gerade\n Mittlerweile ist da wohl was. Aber ich habs noch nicht getestet.\n ich schon :(\n vor 2 wochen wars noch schlimmer als das 32bit mit wrapper\n totaler xorg breakdown teilweise\n ncohmal ne frage in bezug auf lxc. verstehe ich das richtig das ich auf dem hostsystem lediglich die bridge definiere? und das ich die benoetigten ips nur innerhalb der container binde?\n ich hab noch nie ne bridge gebraucht, oder konfiguriert. ich muss dann trotzdem die hauptip des servers fest an eth0 binden wie bisher auch oder?\n Die Bridge bekommt die IP\n Auch wenn ich nicht wei\u00c3\u009f, was lxc ist\n lxc = linux containers\n lightweight virtualization\n ldr: Danke!\n ok, dann muss ich mal schauen das ich das richtig konfiguriere... keine lust das rescue system starten zu muessen um die ip zurueckzusetzen\n Guten Morgen ! Ich habe mitlerweile 8 Kernels in Grub Start .Kann ich da mit Synaptic die alten einfach entfernen. und muss ich da Grub-update durchf\u00c3\u00bcren ??\n Kannst du machen, sollte sich danach selber updaten\n also nur aus synaptic entfernen ?\n Exakt.\n bei mir verschwindet oft das skype und xchat icon aus dem panel oben. ubuntu 11.04\n ich finde nur die generic images heisen die anderen kernel pakete anders suche war image\n IchGuckLive, wenn du die Header installiert hast, kannst du da noch die entsprechenden entfernen\n Ich benutz f\u00c3\u00bcr die Suche immer die Versionsnummer des Kernels\n danle\n hi\n kann mir jemand helfen\n ???\n ,frag? HarryHirsch123 \n HarryHirsch123: Einfach drauf los fragen und nicht fragen ob jemand etwas kennt oder man fragen darf (oder ob jemand da ist).\n http://www.metafrage.de\n also folgendes: ich habe gestern mein ubuntu zu 11.04 geupdatet, ich hatte noch von 10.10 ein symbol vom pers\u00c3\u00b6hnlichen ordner aufm desktop und den wollte ich nich mehr haben weil das zu unity nich passt . dann habe ich es wie in diversen foren beschrieben \u00c3\u00bcber den gconf editor weg gemacht (apps/nautilus/desktop) und dann die dinger f\u00c3\u00bcr den pers\u00c3\u00b6hnlichen ordner den haken entfernt. jetzt is leider der ordner leer\n Was f\u00c3\u00bcr \"Dinger\"?\n wie man dir schom im englischen sagte da kann eigl kein zusammenhang bestehen\n machmal updatedb\n Und welcher Ordner ist nun leer?\n und locate irgendeiner datei die h\u00c3\u00a4tte drinne sein m\u00c3\u00bcssen\n Und was soll updatedb dabei helfen?\n Da kann man einfach \"find\" benutzen.\n dann wirst ja sehen ob die dateien noch irgendwo sind\n ich meinte das ich dort in der liste den haken weg gemacht seit dem is der ordner leer\n ja aber bei find ist der syntax komplizierter\n du vermisst dateien HarryHirsch123 und nicht du siehst sie nur nicht?\n ls reicht auch.\n ldr: Was soll da kompliziert sein?\n naja also der pers\u00c3\u00b6hnliche ordner is leer\n der war vorher gerammelt voll\n und ich vermisse die dateien\n ldr: find -name \n bekks ja eben komplizierter als locate \n HarryHirsch123: Mach bitte mal ein ls -lha /home/deinuser/ nach nopaste.\n ldr: Ja, nur leider ignoriert updatedb so manches verzeichnis. \n ,nopaste? HarryHirsch123 \n HarryHirsch123: Nicht selbst geschriebener Text wird im IRC sehr unleserlich und unhandlich. Deshalb sollten mehr als 3 Zeilen immer in einen sogenannten (No)Paste-Service abgelegt werden. Nutze http://paste.pocoo.org [paste]\n wenn ich verborgene dateien anzeigen mache kommen die ganzen ordner die mit . anfangen zum beispiel .minecraft\n jojo ich mach glei einen nopaste\n also ich hab das mal gemacht und im terminal sind: die ordner der einzelnen programme..... sprich: .widelands oder.minecraft\n und halt andere\n mehr is da nich mehr\n updatedb ging gar nich\n KRiegen wir endlich den nopaste?\n hattest du vershcl\u00c3\u00bcsstes homeverzeichnis?\n ne\n ach ja und den nopaste bitte :)\n ja waretet\n Dann halt nicht. Ich bin raus aus dem Ticket.\n ne9in kommt glei ich musste grad was machen\n ich hab auch ein problem mit dem home ordner n\u00c3\u00a4mlich das er dort keine datei namens .ICEauthority anlegen kann (Home verzeichniss war verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselt habs aber im terminal mit ecrytfs wieder entschl\u00c3\u00bcsselt und die rechte auf 775 gelegt), und mir deshalb nur die halbe GUI zeigt. Hab zu dem thema auch schon im Inet recherchiert und sachen probiert aber bisher hat nix geholfen. hab mir auch schonmal lxde im softwarecenter geladen aber \n ich kann es bei der anmeldung nicht ausw\u00c3\u00a4hlen, weil er es mir nicht zeigt.\n Silver_Bear: HAst Du alle Rechte in deinem Home auf 775 gesetzt? Oder nur auf ein bestimmtes Verzeichnis?\n http://nopaste.info/bc23d4fc83.html\n :D\n auf home\n also alles wahrscheinlich\n Silver_Bear: HErzliches Beileid. Du hast Dir damit die Rechte in deinem $HOME zerschossen.\n :D\n hmm... kann ich da einfach nochmal updaten oder soll ich in windows einfach die partition l\u00c3\u00b6schen?\n HarryHirsch123: Beileid, aber das wird nichts mit dem gconf-Kram zu tun haben k\u00c3\u00b6nnen.\n mist was isses dann\n HarryHirsch123, ich glaube auch das sieht nach weg aus, k\u00c3\u00b6nnte aber noch sein das du fr\u00c3\u00bcher home auf ner separaten partition hattest die nun nicht mehr eingebunden wird wird\n wie k\u00c3\u00b6nnen die ganzen sachen innerhalb von einem klick verschwinden\n naja ich hab 2 festplatten\n k\u00c3\u00b6nnen sie nicht, sagen dir ja alle das das damit nix zu tun haben kann\n Silver_Bear: Du sollst gar nichts l\u00c3\u00b6schen. Und ein erneutes Update ist nicht m\u00c3\u00b6glich - wie soll man auch von 11.04 auf 11.04 updaten k\u00c3\u00b6nnen? Du hast Dir die Rechte in deinem $HOME zerballert, und brauchst nun das Backup, dass Du hoffentlich vorher erstellt hast, um die Rechte wieder sauber zu bekommen.\n die iene nutze ich zum speichern von bildern ausm urlaub und so und auf der anderen is das system\n nope kein backup hatte nix wichtiges auf meinem ubuntu drauf...\n hm\n HarryHirsch123, poste mal die ausgabe von mount nach nopaste\n Silver_Bear: Das ist schlecht.\n wie mach ich mount\n also partition l\u00c3\u00b6schen und live cd unter windows laden, richtig?\n HarryHirsch123: \"eintippen\".\n achso und was\n nur mount oder was\n Silver_Bear: Nein. Wer zum Geier redet von Partition l\u00c3\u00b6schen oder sonstwas?\n die ausgabe von cat /proc/partitions am besten auch gleich\n ja\n nur mount\n Silver_Bear: Ubuntu ist kein Windows. :)\n naja damit ichs einfach nochmal ausetzen kann?\n und wenn du schon dabei bist auch gleich cat /etc/fstab\n oder schicks mir im query \n Silver_Bear: Und wieso kannst Du nicht einfach die Live CD einlegen und das Ding nochmal aufsetzen? :) Was soll Windows da besser/anders machen? :)\n Neu aufsetzen ist auch Holzhammer. \n weil ich nur als live cd hab und im nogui modus auf . geupdated hab\n bei dem punkt das sollte eigentlich 11.04 stehen \n http://nopaste.info/8bdcec75d1.html\n Neuen User anlegen, anmelden, alten User l\u00c3\u00b6schen, neu anlegen, abmelden, als der urspr\u00c3\u00bcngliche User wieder anmelden, tempor\u00c3\u00a4ren User l\u00c3\u00b6schen, fertig. Neues Home.\n und wie mach ich das mit terminal?\n Silver_Bear: Und? Live-CD einlegen, System neu aufsetzen - kein Windows, kein sonstwas n\u00c3\u00b6tig.\n Silver_Bear: Wie machst Du was mit terminal?\n nutzer l\u00c3\u00b6schen neuen erstellen\n HarryHirsch123, siehst du den query?\n sash_: Und das ganze Ding ist verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselt - sein altes Home.\n was f\u00c3\u00bcrn query\n eine private konversation hier im irc\n ich hab nur 10.04 als live cd\n da muss irgendwo ein ldr sein :)\n dann lad dir ne neue runter\n Silver_Bear: Dann leg sie ein. Tut ja keinem weg. \n Silver_Bear: 10.04 hat l\u00c3\u00a4nger Support als 11.04.\n paste mir das einfach alles darein da musst dich nciht mit nopaste rumschlagen\n naja aber von 10.04 auf 11.04 update macht mehr arbeit als komplett l\u00c3\u00b6schen und neu aufsetzen\n als 11.04\n Silver_Bear: Unsinn.\n Silver_Bear: Lad Dir einfach 11.04 herunter, wenn Du das meinst :)\n ldr\n letzens als ich in der 10.04 noch gui hatte sagte er mir er m\u00c3\u00bcsse noch auf 10.10 updaten\n ja mein ich\n haste den nopaste link an geschaut\n was benutzt du zum ircen?mirc?\n Silver_Bear: Dann lad Dir 11.04 herunter. :)\n ok\n danke :D\n HarryHirsch123, ja aber ich wollte ja noch 2\n :)\n was f\u00c3\u00bcr welche\n was brauchste noch an nopaste\n cat /rpoc/partitions\n cat /proc/partitions\n und cat /etc/fstab\n geht iwie nich\n das erste war ein tippfehler\n kommt nur datei oder verzeichnis nicht gefunden\n cat /proc/partitions\n http://nopaste.info/4a243ad6de.html\n das mit dem fstab geht net\n aus irgendwelchen gr\u00c3\u00bcnden\n musst vllt root sein ist auch egal\n aber eigl nicht\n naja\n was sdc? usbstick?\n also /dev/sdc\n ah jetz geht das mit fstab\n und kann man dem nopaste was entnehmen\n geht das du auf der platte wo deine root partition liegt nur eine partition hast\n NEin, weil Du die fstab noch nicht nopasted hast.\n das deutet auf keine separate home partition die einfach nicht mehr eingebunden wird\n http://nopaste.info/9798e48ec9.html\n bullshit\n hm ich glaube das ich mir schonmal die neue ubuntu cd runter laden kann oder??\n platten vertauscht\n wie platten vertauscht\n dadurch bekommst du deine Daten auch nciht wieder\n egal\n ldr: Nein, er hat kein separates /home\n ja aber vllt hatt er ja mal eines\n hm\n was ist denn /dev/sdb5?\n kA\n windows?\n ich sehe bei den festplatten dingern nich durch\n nein\n ldr: kleiner Tip: verlang die Ausgabe von \"sudo bklid -g; sudo blkid\"\n ich mag windows nie so sehr\n ach swap lol klar\n ldr: Dann kriegst Du die UUIDs und kannst nachpr\u00c3\u00bcfen, dass es nie ein /home gab.\n ach gut\n der merkt sich alles das wusste ich nicht\n ja ne dann kann man nix machen daten sind futsch\n thx bekks\n also die sind weg oder?\n aber neuinstallieren musst deswegen nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich nicht\n ja sind weg\n boar super\n dein system l\u00c3\u00a4uft nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich auch ohne deine nutzdaten super\n Du hast sie nicht gesichert - sie waren also nicht wichtig.\n wie du siehst kommen die ganzen conf ordner im notfall von alleine wieder falls die je weg waren\n naja\n also die waren jetz nie so derma\u00c3\u009fen wichtig aber es is trotzdem dumm\n ja lag aber sicher nicht am haken, ganz sicher\n meine minecraft welten sind aber noch drauf :D\n ok\n okay\n dann hast du vllt echt dein home gel\u00c3\u00b6scht\n weil rm * nimmt die . ordner so nicht mit\n ich hab mich nur gewundert weil ich diese symbole gel\u00c3\u00b6scht hatte und dannach im pers\u00c3\u00b6hnlichen ordner nix mehr drin war\n rm -fr * meine ich\n was is das\n das ist l\u00c3\u00b6sche alles aus dem aktuellen ordnder\n ausser den verstecken dingen\n hm naja\n genau was bei dir passiert ist\n schienbar\n ich werde das ubuntu noch mal neu machen\n wenn du meinst\n naja\n weil jetz is das alles so leer und so\n aber trotzdem interressiert es mich wie da sgel\u00c3\u00b6scht wurde weil ich hab im terminal nix eingegeben\n dann bist deine minecraft welten aber u.U. los wenn du sie voher nicht sicherst und sie in .minecraft sind\n die sind in .minecraft\n hast du irgendwas copy und pastet was dir jemand hier geshcickt hat ?\n ne\n ich bin hier erst seit grade eben weil ich mir seler nie zu helfen wusste\n ich habe gestern nur das update gemacht\n heute fr\u00c3\u00bch was alles da\n dann habe ich weil ich die ordner nich haben wollte und da man sie ja auch net in den m\u00c3\u00bcll verschieben kann wie auf dieser einen seite beschrieben gel\u00c3\u00b6scht\n ich kann se hier ja mal schnell verlinken\n ah wleche seite? schick mal\n genau\n ja warte ich suche\n zu erst habe ich das gemacht\n http://forum.worldofplayers.de/forum/showthread.php?t=317063\n dann das\n http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/icon-home-ordner-von-desktop-loeschen/#post-1494989\n HarryHirsch123's url: http://tinyurl.com/42d6d7o | Icon Home-Ordner von Desktop l\u00c3\u00b6schen \u00e2\u0080\u00ba GNOME (Ubuntu) \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Forum \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de \n und dann war alles weg\n Du hast dabei irgendwas falsch gemacht, und dein Inhalt deines Homes gel\u00c3\u00b6scht.\n sry da sich links nie gek\u00c3\u00bcrzt habe\n mist naja trotzdem danke\n da besteht definitiv kein zusammenhang\n denke ich sek\n und die sachen liegen auch nirgendwo oder?\n Nein. Die sind _gel\u00c3\u00b6scht_.\n naja ok ich besorge mir schon mal das ubutu iso\n *ubuntu\n kann ja bei dem internet hier dauern\n ...\n und deswegen hats auch nix mit dem zu tun wo du die links zu gepostet hast, den das ist um im windows jargon zu sprechen am ehesten registry \u00c3\u00a4nderung\n achso und was ich fragen wollte\n frag einfach :)\n lol\n wat f\u00c3\u00bcrn typ\n lolwut\n kde is schon seltsam. da muss man erst den gdm installieren, damit der dem kdm nicht dauernd dazwischen funkt\n deem: Unsinn.\n deem: MAn muss gdm deinstallieren. Uns ja, zwei Desktop Manager parallel zu betreiben findet gdm auch nicht lustig.\n bekks: kdm war als standard eingestellt. ich w\u00c3\u00bcsste nicht, warum gdm da aktiv sein sollte\n deem: Weil es so ist? :)\n wie?\n Hast Du ja selbst erlebt, oder? :)\n joa. wundern tut es mich schon, warum ubuntu sowas tut, obwohl man kdm als standard definiert und canonical sicherlich bekannt ist, dass sich gdm und kdm in die quere kommen\n also ich schw\u00c3\u00b6r ja auf xdm und nein man muss gdm nicht installieren\n worked for me[tm]. einfach alles gnomige deinstalliert, kubuntu-desktop installiert und fertig\n da ist dann auch kein gdm mehr da\n joschi: Wie ich als L\u00c3\u00b6sung bereits sagte. \n joa. gdm hab ich dann deinstalliert. jetzt l\u00c3\u00a4ufts. jetzt fliegt alles gnomige noch runter und gut ist\n ldr: Es ging um kdm und gdm, nicht um xdm.\n bekks: du hattest es nur von gdm ;)\n joschi: Nein. Mitlesen. :)\n bekks, klang bei dir nur so wie glaubens sache \"man muss gdm installieren\"\n bekks: hab ich\n * bekks verwendet auch kein Gnome - aus religi\u00c3\u00b6sen Gr\u00c3\u00bcnden.\n ich seh auch grade, dass ich installieren geschrieben habe in meiner ersten zeile. das sollte nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich deinstallieren hei\u00c3\u009fen. :D\n nice\n deem: ;)\n oh sorry\n so bl\u00c3\u00b6d bin ich nun auch wieder nicht.\n deem: Das war ja auch nicht so gemeint :)\n joa, aber es klingt nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich bl\u00c3\u00b6d, wenn ich sage, dass ich erst gdm installieren muss bevor kde l\u00c3\u00a4uft\n is ja schwachsinn\n wo wir schon bei dem thema sind hat jemand von euch mal den nachfolger getestet der in der neuen ubuntu version kommen soll, weiss den namen gerade nicht mehr\n und ich glaube das wird jetzt OT\n der soll ja die eierlegende wollmilch sau sein\n oder +1\n ldr: das ding hei\u00c3\u009ft wayland, aber du darfst gerne in den offtopic kommen. --> #ubuntu-de-offtopic\n das ding hei\u00c3\u009ft nicht wayland.\n nein es heisst lgihtdm\n lightdm even\n sash__: ist mein letzter kentnissstand\n aber das wird jetzt wirklich OT\n kann es sein das debootstrap probleme mit virtuellen paketen hat?\n hi\n mosez: nein, wieso?\n mosez: kein crossposting aus #debian-de bitte.\n ende.\n LetoThe2nd: wo siehst du da nen crossposting? o_O\n letothe2nd: naja da dieser channel etwas aktiver ist dachte ich ich bekomme hier vielleicht eher meine gesuchte antwort.\n mosez: wir halten das hier bitte getrennt. danke.\n letothe2nd: schliesslich habe ich nicht direkt in beiden channels nachgefragt sondern erstmal im ersten channel abgewartet.\n mosez: wenn du in debian fragst, hast du wohl debian und kein ubuntu\n mosez: \u00c3\u00a4ndert nichts an der tatsache. wir haben das schon oft geh\u00c3\u00b6rt, wir haben keine lust es wieder zu diskutieren, so bleibt es. fertig.\n wenn wer will kann er dir gerne in #debian-de folgen und das dort ausdiskutieren.\n deem: unterscheidet sich debootstrap so sehr zwischen ubuntu und debian? ich glaube nicht oder?\n mosez: Es spielt keine Rolle. Du hast ein Debian und kein Ubuntu. Ende-\n mosez: debian support in #debian*. ubuntu support in #ubuntu* EOD\n bekks: noe, es dreht sich um einen ubuntu container.\n Deswegen fragst Du in #debian-de - selbstverst\u00c3\u00a4ndlich.\n das hostsystem ist debian.\n aber bootstrappen will ich ein ubuntu\n Und da Du debootstrap auf dem Host ausf\u00c3\u00bchrst, ist das _kein_ Ubuntuproblem.\n mosez: warum fragst du dann zuerst in debian?\n * LetoThe2nd bef\u00c3\u00bcrwortet die literalische silezierung, \u00c3\u00bcbergibt aber an die kollegen, da mittag.\n dito! mittag!\n s/silezierung/slienzierung/\n letothe2nd meant: bef\u00c3\u00bcrwortet die literalische slienzierung, \u00c3\u00bcbergibt aber an die kollegen, da mittag.\n LetoThe2nd: W\u00c3\u00bcnsche wohl zu speisen :)\n gnah.\n silenzierung. so.\n deem: weil das hostsystem halt ein debian ist dachte ich ich frage erstmal im debian channel.\n ich hab auch keinen bock irgendwie rumzuflamen. ich bin nur auf der suche nach einer loesung fuer mein problem.\n mittag is hier schon wieder vorbei^^\"\n hab schon selbst ne loesung gefunden\n nice ich ahbe noch nicht mal heraugefunden was slienzierung ist ;)\n \"Silenzierung\".\n bekks, das wort gibts zwar auch nicht aber jetz versteh ichs :)\n Nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich gibt es das.\n Wie kann es sein, dass PulseAudio mir anzeigt, dass Musik l\u00c4\u0082\u00c2\u00a4uft, aber weder aus meinem Boxen noch aus meinem Kopfh\u00c4\u0082\u00c5\u009brern irgendein Sound kommt? Systemsounds funktionieren ohne Probleme.\n freq9: Deine Umlaute sind kaputt.\n Ups.\n Versuch ich erstmal ohne Umlaute zu schreiben.\n freq9: was genau zeigt es denn an? hast du da mal nen screenshot zu?\n * szal w\u00c3\u00bcrde empfehlen, erst mal den Stream auf das richtige Ausgabeger\u00c3\u00a4t zu legen\n http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/5940/pulsenosound.png\n szal: wo sehe ich welcher der richtige ist und wo stelle ich es ggf. um?\n freq9: wenns um den Audacious-Output geht, dann jedenfalls net unter Recording\n da findeste dein Mic oder ne externe Quelle, die du per Aux in die Kiste holst\n ups :D\n aber warum tut sich da so viel?\n vorne unter Playback\n aeeehhh? kann es sein, dass ich irgendwie meine kopfhoerer als mikro eingestellt habe?\n http://www.abload.de/img/20110801_pavucontrol2rmz.png\n denn mein mikro kabel ist ueberhaupt nicht eingesteckt\n dann haste den h\u00c3\u00b6chstens falsch eingest\u00c3\u00b6pselt\n ich habe nur einen stecker am laptop\n aber da ist auch ein komplettes headset dran abgebildet (kopfhoerer und mikro)\n ich hoer was :D\n btw, das Winamp-Interface vom Audacious is deprecated, da lohnt sich kein Bugreport, wenn irgendwas net l\u00c3\u00a4uft.. man nehme das Gtk-Interface\n was mich aber noch interessieren wuerde ist, warum sich die anzeige bei input bewegt, denn mein kabel ist nicht eingesteckt, aber die anzeige bewegt sich, wenn ich was sage.\n dann l\u00c3\u00a4uft irgendwo ne Anwendung, die von irgend nem Mic aufzeichnet\n m\u00c3\u00b6glicherweise das Volume Meter, k. A.\n autsch :) mein laptop hat selbst nen mikro\n das soll n\u00c3\u00a4mlich, wenn man dem Icon in dem Fenster glauben darf, dazu dienen, den Mic-Pegel zu beobachten\n okay, dann funktioniert soweit ja alles wieder :) danke euch\n moin ... ich habe hier ne \u00c3\u00bcbergelaufene Partion /backup und \"rm -rf\" scheint ja laut \"man symlink\" die Partition nicht zu verlassen. Leider kann ich per df /backup keine Verf\u00c3\u00bcgbaren Bytes erkennen\n ?\n nun die Frage: wie sehe ich ob Platz freigeworden ist ?\n Nopaste bitte mal lsb_release -a und df -h\n und df -i auch.\n danke bekks ... -i sollte ja freigewordenen Inotes anzeigen\n Tut es auch.\n zmijunkie: s/inotes/inodes/\n deem thinks that zmijunkie meant: danke bekks ... -i sollte ja freigewordenen Inotes anzeigen\n o_O\n Was wie? :)\n bin ein wenig abgenervt von der Anzeige .... sowas kenne ich unter BSD sonst nicht\n deem: das is case-sensitive\n Was kennst du nicht?\n unter FreeBSD wird der freigewordene Platz angezeigt auch wenn der im negativen Bereich ist\n Der kann nicht negativ sein.,\n Es gibt nicht weniger Platz als keinen.\n Nopaste doch einfach mal die gefragten Dinge.\n doch bekks\n zmijunkie: Kommt da noch was? Oder hast Du gar kein Ubuntu?\n ich probiere es halt jetzt nochma\n Probierst Du zu pasten? :)\n bekks mit -i zeigt mir df den Fortschritt an\n zmijunkie: w\u00c3\u00bcrdest du bitte die geforderten pastes liefern? vorher geht es hier nicht weiter\n wieso ... Ihr habt mir doch super geholfen ?\n zmijunkie: wenn du weiteren support willst, liefere bitte die pastes, ansonsten ist hier ende\n ganz friedlich alle.\n vorschlag: wir betrachten das ticket alle gemeinsam als erledigt und freuen uns f\u00c3\u00bcr den supportsuchenden. im gegenzug verspricht der, vor weiteren fragen zumindest ein lsb_release -a zu zeigen. ok?\n * deem ist damit einverstanden.\n * bekks auch\n nach einer erfolgreichen > Debian 32-bit-pc netinst-iso < installation wird eine ATI 4600 (AGP) nicht unterst\u00c3\u00bctzt. (Schw. Bildschirm) \n tuxampol: falscher Kanal\n es werden propietary treiber verlangt\n ok sorry\n welcher #kanal k\u00c3\u00a4me denn in Frage?\n geraten: #debian-de\n #debian.de alternativ\n ok danke!\n nimm den mit bindestrich\n ehh nur alias\n vectory_: stimmt nich\n oO\n ok\n Hey, also nachdem ich mir zwischenzeitlich wieder grub zerschossen hatte, den jetzt aber wieder zum laufen gebracht habe, habe ich wieder das gleiche Problem, dass ich beim Start von Ubuntu noch den Splashscreen sehe und danach nur noch einen schwarzen Bildschirm. Im recovery mode kann ich mich dann wenigstens anmelden, aber start gdm bringt mir auch keine grafische oberfl\u00c3\u00a4che: http://paste.ubuntu.com/656390\n Was sagt das Xorg.0.log?\n bekks, das ist im paste\n [ 50.328] (WW) Warning, couldn't open module fglrx \n Da ist kein fglrx geladen.\n jo du verwendet eine treiber der nicht installiert ist..\n ja, das sehe ich auch, ich weiss aber nicht, woran es liegt, wenn ich lsmod | grep fglrx mache findet er es\n das kann nicht gehen\n wie hast du das installiert?\n gestern hatte ich dann noch in Kooperation mit ppq rausgefunden, dass fgrlx geblacklistet war, das habe ich jetzt ge\u00c3\u00a4ndert. Aber auch danach existierte das Problem weiter. Dann habe ich noch gesehen, dass vesafb NICHT geblacklistet war, also habe ich das noch geblacklistet. (dachte falls es da iwelche konflikte zwischen vesa/catalyst gebe)\n \u00c3\u00bcber die paketverwaltung\n die Xorg.conf ist auch entsprechend angepasst\n also mit Driver \"fglrx\"\n Welchen Treiber genau hast Du wie installiert?\n sudo apt-get install fglrx und dann die xorg.conf angepasst\n also keine manuelle Installation\n komisch\n Aber vorher hattest Du den mal manuell installiert - gestern?\n nein, ich habe das immer \u00c3\u00bcber die paketverwaltung gemacht.\n was aber noch komisch ist, wenn ich fglrxinfo mache, kommt \"Befehl nicht gefunden\"\n und das paket ist sicher installiert?\n mgolisch, ja ich weiss es halt nicht wirklich, da ja irgendwas scheif gegangen ist. aber wenn es in lsmod auftaucht?\n und sudo apt-get install fglrx bringt mir auch nur fglrx ist bereits die neueste Version\n Moritz24M: Gestern meine ich mich zu erinnern, dass Du gesagt hast, Du h\u00c3\u00a4ttest den manuell installiert\n 0731 232426 < Moritz24M> Hey, ich habe mir irgenwie die Treiber f\u00c3\u00bcr meine ATI-Graka zerschossen... ich hatte per konsole fglrx installiert, da ich mit der HD-Wiedergabe nicht zufrieden war.\n Wusste ich es doch.\n ja damit meinte ich \u00c3\u00bcber apt-get\n sorry falls ich da gerade an dir vorbei rede\n mach halt mal sudo apt-get install --reinstall fglrx\n irgendwie scheint der xorg typ ja das modul nicht zu finden\n Moritz24M: Und gestern ahst Du noch was von \"downgrade auf freien Treiber\" geschrieben.\n mgolisch, ist dabei. bekks: jo, habe ich, ich hatte einmal den fglrx drauf, war dann aber mit der hd-wiedergabe nich zufrieden. hatte mal gelesen, dass der freie teilweise aber bei 2d sogar bessere performance hat. also dachte ich probierst du das mal. da wurds aber nur noch schlimmer, deshalb wieder der wechsel zu fglrx\n mgolisch, dann? stop gdm, start gdm und log von x posten?\n jo schau halt obs dann geht\n nein \u00c3\u00a4ndert sich nix\n ich kann auch immernoch nicht bspw. aticonfig --initial ausf\u00c3\u00bchren\n wie sieht deine xorg.conf aus?\n wie im wiki: Section \"Device\"\n \tIdentifier\t\"Configured Video Device\"\n \tDriver\t\t\"fglrx\"\n EndSection\n Moritz24M: das n\u00c3\u00a4chste mal in einem pastebin bitte\n sry\n k\u00c3\u00b6nnte es denn sein dass das modul noch irgendwo anders geblacklistet ist? Wie kann man denn mit nano nach ner zeichenkette suchen? dann gehe ich nochmal alle .conf in /etc/modprobe.d/ durch... nicht dass ich da fglrx irgendwo \u00c3\u00bcberlesen habe\n nein es geht nicht um das kernelmodul\n sondern um den xorg treiber\n okay\n Moritz24M: du hast natty oder?\n mgolisch, ja. sorry\n mit 2.6.38-10-generic Kernel\n gibt es einen jabber-client, der \"gruppen\" so implementiert, wie sie im standard beschrieben sind?\n und zwar eher als tags als als gruppen\n *im protokoll und dessen XEPs\n Moritz24M: hm irgendwas ist da krum\n mgolisch, jepp :)\n ich wuerd mal checken ob alle files azs dem paket vorhanden sind\n \u00c3\u00b6hm du meinst aus fglrx?\n jo\n mgolisch, also die hier? http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/amd64/fglrx/filelist\n Moritz24M oder dpkg -L fglrx sollte auch gehen afaik\n da steht dann auch welche drinne sein sollten\n ldr, wie kann ich denn die ausgabe irgendwie st\u00c3\u00bcckweise machen?\n Moritz24M mit | less\n also dpkg -L fglrx | less\n zum beispiel\n Moritz24M mit | kannst die ausgabe immer an nen anderen befehl weiterleiten, mit > und >> in eine datei umleiten wobei > die datei \u00c3\u00bcberschreibt und >> an die datei anh\u00c3\u00a4ngt\n Moritz24M also hier | da wir an den befehl less weiterleiten\n ldr, cool, danke :)\n np\n mgolisch, ldr's befehl hat mir jetzt http://paste.ubuntu.com/656404/ gebracht. also die soll ich mit dem paketinhalt von packages.ubuntu.com vergleichen?\n Moritz24M nein mit deinen dateien auf der platte kannst auch gleich toll per script\n Moritz24M :) sek\n okay\n Moritz24M for i in $(dpkg -L fglrx);do ls $i > /dev/null;done\n wenn der befehl nix sagt ist alles da\n ldr, mgolisch: also scheint alles da zu sein\n was fehlt das radeon xorg modul?\n Moritz24M also fglrx\n ldr, ja also in der xorg.0.log steht eben immer, dass er fglrx nicht laden kann, da es angeblich nicht existiert\n es taucht aber in lsmod auf\n in lsmod taucht das _kernel_modul auf.\n Xorg meckert aber das _xorg_-Modul an.\n ja lsmod hat damit nix zu tun\n vermutlich macht das ding noch irgendwelche symlink magie\n weil er installiert das module anch /usr/lib/fglrx oder fuegt den fpad wo er das modul hin installiert zu irgend einer konfig datei hinzu\n oder so\n falls ihr das noch nicht habt pastebin doch einfach mal ls -al /usr/lin/xorg/modules/drivers\n ldr: s/lin/bin/\n deem thinks that ldr meant: falls ihr das noch nicht habt pastebin doch einfach mal ls -al /usr/bin/xorg/modules/drivers\n sonst verlinke es in den von mir genannten pfad selber\n danke deem\n ldr, er sagt mir Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht vorhanden...\n es ist lib und lin\n deem hatte meinen tippfehler korrigert\n also\n jo, habe ich gesehen\n ls -al /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers\n trotzdem nicht da?\n aso okay ne dann hab ichs vercheckt mom\n ach lol falsc korrigert und ihc hab nicht mal geahnt\n bin zu m\u00c3\u00bcde\n okay eine sekunde\n ldr, http://paste.ubuntu.com/656418/\n Moritz24M okay da isses nicht dann suche mal fglrx_drv.so und verlinke das dahin sec ich erkl\u00c3\u00a4r das gleich weiter\n Moritz24M updatedb\n updatedb ist Unsinn :)\n Moritz24M dann locate fglrx_drv.so\n Auch wenn Du das voll toll findest :)\n kann man gleich find nehmen\n find / -type f -name fglrx_drv.so\n Moritz24M machs wie du willst kommt aufs selbe raus\n Moritz24M nur miens mit dem kleinen plus einer aktuellen db fr suchanfragen\n ldr: Nicht zwangsl\u00c3\u00a4ufig. Warum, habe ich auch schon erkl\u00c3\u00a4rt.\n guck mal ob dus findest egal wie\n bekks ja aber da wo locate nicht sucht ist das eh nicht\n Das kann man nur hoffen. \n okay er sagt die datei liegt in /usr/lib/fglrx/xorg/modules/drivers\n Moritz2gut\n also r\u00c3\u00bcberkopieren?\n Moritz24M nein sek\n Moritz24M sudo ln -s /usr/lib/fglrx/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so\n bekks ja ich weiss auch das geht k\u00c3\u00bcrzerund besser ;)\n und dannach einfach nochmal probieren\n ldr, okay also auftauchen tut sie jetzt in xorg/modules mit so nem pfeil dahinter. also noch irgendwas updaten oder einfach nuestart?\n einfach x versuchen zu starten\n oder neuzustarten ja\n startx?\n oder start gdm\n restart gdm\n eigl egal\n ausser gdm l\u00c3\u00a4uft\n dann bekks variante\n hm also x lief nicht, habe es gestartet, bildschirm flackert dann 2-3mal aber ich bleibe trotzdem in der Konsole\n nochmal Xorg.0.log?\n japp leider ja\n Ja.\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/656421\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/656421\n okay warum fglrxdrm?\n heisst das nicht nur fglrx\n Sorry - [ 4663.543] (EE) Missing PCS defaults file /etc/ati/amdpcsdb.default\n Da fehlt wohl noch mehr als nur der eine Symlink.\n :)\n ich wuerd einfach mal in die install hooks in dem paket reinschauen\n was er da so alles machen sollte eigentlich\n ja sieht so aus\n oder mal komplett purgen und neuinstallieren\n mgolisch, ehrlich gesagt w\u00c3\u00a4re mir das lieber... von install hooks habe ich n\u00c3\u00a4mlich noch nie was geh\u00c3\u00b6rt...\n Moritz24M mit dpkg -P fglrx und dann neu rauf\n kann ich die letzte aktion von dpkg in irgend einer log-datei finden? das sieht n\u00c3\u00a4mlich f\u00c3\u00bcr mich so aus, als w\u00c3\u00a4re da nicht wirklich alles so gelaufen wie es h\u00c3\u00a4tte laufen sollen....\n wiesosiehst du sie denn nicht?\n wenn du im terminal dpkg -P fglrx machst\n sehe ich, w\u00c3\u00bcrde sie euch aber gerne zeigen\n sec\n /var/log/dpkg.log\n ?\n Guck doch rein?\n Moritz24M hast du zufaellig /tmp mit noexec auf ner separaten partition?\n ldr, nicht dass ich w\u00c3\u00bcsste... habe eig. bei der installation alles beim \"standard\" belassen\n Moritz24M das hatte ich gestern hier mal bei wem das hat einiege install scripts verhindert\n ah okay nur ne idee\n Moritz24M gucke mal query?\n lso hier im irc\n bekks, das steht in der log http://paste.ubuntu.com/656429/ aber ich habe beim purgen eben einige fehlermeldungen erhalten, dass einige verzeichnisse nicht gel\u00c3\u00b6scht wurden, da sie nicht leer seien\n Das ist nicht schlimm, sondern normal, beim Purge.\n ja w\u00c3\u00a4r krass wenns anders w\u00c3\u00a4r\n okay\n und jetzt einfach wieder apt-get install fglrx?\n ja\n hallo zusammen\n also purgen und neu installieren hat auch nichts gebracht, start gdm bewirkt nichts.\n Hey Leute. Ich hab seit wenigen Tagen ein Problem mit meiner Soundausgabe. Es knackst immer sehr unangenehm, wenn irgendein Programm seine Soundausgabe startet. Wenn z.B. ein Skype-Kontakt online kommt, knackst es erst und dann kommt der Ton. (Ubuntu 10.04 LTS x64) Woran k\u00c3\u00b6nnte das liegen?\n NTQ aggressive powersaving k\u00c3\u00b6nnte sein\n NTQ: hda-intel? wenn ja, pack mal folgendes in ne datei wie beispielsweise /etc/modprobe.d/snd_hda_intel.conf : options snd_hda_intel power_save=0\n ldr: Ah, daran habe ich noch nicht gedacht. Danke. Stimmt, ich hatte letztens so ein Energiespardings installiert. Aber wenn ich am Netz h\u00c3\u00a4nge, dachte ich, w\u00c3\u00a4re das aus\n ppq: ja, intel\n ppq: die datei gibt es nicht. also einfach anlegen?\n NTQ: ja, der name war nur n beispiel. wichtig ist nur dass sie blablub.conf hei\u00c3\u009ft und in dem verzeichnis liegt\n und das steht alles am st\u00c3\u00bcck in einer zeile, oder? habs jetzt mal so drin. muss man das jetzt noch irgendwie neustarten, damit die konfiguration \u00c3\u00bcbernommen wird?\n eigentlich nicht, kannst auch was in /sys/bla/blub schreiben, aber das m\u00c3\u00bcsst ich jetzt nachgucken.. --> reboot ist einfacher :)\n alles klar. bis gleich\n oder via modprobe das modul entladen und neu laden.\n das hat dann wohl nicht geklappt\n also es knackst immer noch\n Hallo! Ich habe ein Problem mit dem Server eines Freundes, wir wollen asterisk installieren, das l\u00c3\u00a4uft mit make, der aber nichtssagende fehlermeldungen wirft. wir haben den server per kundencenter neu installieren lassen, k\u00c3\u00b6nnen ubuntu 9.1 installieren, aber direkt nach der installation ist diese schon sehr \"kaputt\", d.h. apt-get geht kaum, gibt sofort hunderte an konflikten\n ubuntu 9? bei welchem anbieter seid ihr denn? :-O\n 9.10, out of support, verhunzte defaultinstallation, selberkompilieren wollen ohne ahnung, etc.... das ticket nehme wer will\n LetoThe2nd: darfst, wenn du magst :D\n deem: nur mit schriftlichem auftrag und einzugserm\u00c3\u00a4chtigung f\u00c3\u00bcr den rechnungsbetrag.\n schade :D\n Gordo: ubuntu 9.10 (9.1 gibts nicht) ist aus dem support. wende dich doch an den hoster ob sie nicht was neueres haben (die 10.04 ist ne LTS die w\u00c3\u00a4re mehr geeignet grade f\u00c3\u00bcr server).\n wurde der 3-j\u00c3\u00a4hrige support f\u00c3\u00bcr nicht-LTS-server aufgegeben?\n streifi: Nein.\n oder installier es gleich selbst wenn vom anbieter so komische images kommen. rescuesystem und ein bisschen debootstrap, ist doch der ideale feierabend ;)\n streifi: LTS Server sind immer noch 5 Jahre im Support.\n streifi: bei non-lts ist kein unterschied zwischen desktop und server\n hier nochmal in bunt: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Ubuntu/Releases\n ich wei\u00c3\u009f jetzt nicht wer, aber irgendeine seite im netz muss dann schon geraume zeit bockmist verbreiten.\n oO( schien ihm wohl nicht zu gefallen, die einstellung zu seinem server :-) )\n bis denn denn, feierabend.\n streifi: Ja, und woher hast Du diese Falschmeldung?\n wie gesagt, keine ahnung.\n Also weisst Du auch nicht, woher die Infos stammen, die Du verbreitest? ;)\n Hallo, ich habe das User Passwort meines Ubuntu PCs vergessen, wie kann ich das wieder zur\u00c3\u00bcck setzen?\n lumbas1, recovery-konsole oder z.B. ins system chrooten von einem anderen linux aus (live-medium z.B.)\n hm... wobei...\n lumbas1, http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Zugangsdaten_vergessen#Passwort-vergessen\n bekks: ca. 2 1/4 jahre n\u00c3\u00a4here besch\u00c3\u00a4ftigung mit linux und ziemlich zu anfangs aufgeschnappt.\n rumpe1, danke bin grad in der recovery konsole, aber in dem wiki Artikel kann ich nur das Passwort vom Benutzer \u00c3\u00a4ndern, wie \u00c3\u00a4ndere ich das Admin Passwort\n lumbas1: das root-passwort zu setzen, ist nicht empfohlen, du solltest stattdessen sudo nutzen\n ,sudo? lumbas1\n lumbas1: Mit sudo erlangt man kurzzeitig Administratorrechte. Falsch eingesetzt kann man sich damit aber auch das System nachhaltig zerstoeren. Daher bitte vor der Verwendung den folgenden Artikel lesen *und* verstehen und sudo nur einsetzen, wenn es Sinn macht und nicht pauschal bei jeder Fehlermeldung. Weitere Infos: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/sudo\n achso, d.h. wenn ich dann als user sudo benutze muss das user pw eingegeben werden und nicht das root pw?\n lumbas1, ja\n yep\n ok, verstanden, danke\n lumbas1, im idealfall existiert \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt kein \"root pw\"\n sollte es doch exisitieren kann man es via \"sudo passwd -d root\" l\u00c3\u00b6schen\n hi\n Hey Leute ich hab ein Problem meine Festplatte ist kaputt, und ich bin jetzt mit einem live system auf dem computer. ich wollte meine daten auf eine externe festplatte sichern, aber er hat mir gesagt \n das ich keine rechte habe. Daraufhin habe ich mit gksudo einen dateimanager gestartet, allerdings habe ich da die festplatte nicht gesehn\n weder die kaputtne, noch die externe\n von ner kaputten festplatte bekommt man im normalfall so oder so keine daten mehr\n du nutzt linux mint richtig?\n ja at k1l\n dann bist du hier falsch\u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n apollo13 die festplatte ist nur im mbr bereich beschadigt\n ich weiss nicht wie die das mit dem root user handhaben. frag deren support am besten direkt \n du k\u00c3\u00b6nntest mit gparted versuchewn\n es mit .... versuchen*\n mhh hab gedacht das ist aehnlich wie bei ubuntu\n eisbaer, \"er .. hat gesagt\" bringt nicht viel. Besser hinzuf\u00c3\u00bcgen, welche Anwendung genau was \"gesagt\" hat.\n eisbaer: ja und dort steht der partition table auch drin, ein dateimanager wird dir somit nie was anzeigen\n eisbaer: ist es, aber hier weiss keiner was alles umgestellt ist. also bitte direkt an die wenden.\n ok danke :)\n ich geh dann mal dort nachfragen\n hallo leute! ich brauche mal kurz hilfe von euch: ich hab ein usb<->LAN adapter (der eingebaute war buggy bis nicht kompatibel...). dieser wird auch erkannt, ich hab auch ein eth0 und ein eth1 interface jetzt. nun sagt aber der netzwerkmanager (das *applet*), dass es sich um eine funkverbindung handele, aber nmcli (dasselbe tool im terminal) das gegenteil. wie auch immer, keiner von beiden will eine verbindung herstellen, dass ap\n plet sagt eth1 w\u00c3\u00a4re nicht bereit und nmcli sagt eth1 w\u00c3\u00bcrde nicht von ihm gemanaged werden. ich hab schon probiert, in der NetworkManager.conf managed auf true zu setzen, hat aber nix gebracht. ratschl\u00c3\u00a4ge? ideen? \n bei eth1 handelt es sich im \u00c3\u00bcbrigen um den usb<->lan adapter. lswh -C network zeigt den auch richtig an, treiber ist dm9601, es steht da auch link=yes falls ein kabel drinsteckt. falls es wem hilft: es handelt sich um dieses dung hier (lsusb): 0fe6:9700 Kontron (Industrial Computer Source / ICS Advent) \n spooky: nopaste mal bitte \"ip a\"\n http://nopaste.info/2e43a8d4dc.html\n ich bin momentan per wlan mit einem rechner verbunden, bei dem as inet geht, deswegen hat wlan0 auch eine verbindung. der funktionierende rechner ist per kabel ans internet angeschlossen und reicht das per wlan an den pc, wo ich dransitze weiter... vllt ist das wichtig.\n was jetzt gehen soll ist einfach, dass dieser rechner von dem ich schreibe per kabel ans netz soll. die einstellungen im netzwerk-manager sind gemacht und 100%ig richtig... ich hab die auch so schon bestimmt 20 mal an anderen pcs eingegeben (zb dem neben mir..).\n spooky: machst du mal ein \"sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart\" und nopastest mal die ausgabe?\n schon probiert... http://nopaste.info/a03003f6a9.html\n nur das \u00c3\u00bcbliche\n strange ist halt dies: stecke ich das kabel in den onboard-stecker, f\u00c3\u00a4gt das nm-applet an sich zu verbinden, scheitert aber (vermutlich) am fehlerhaften treiber. bei dem usb-lan dingens da macht er einfach... nichts.\n spooky: was hast du denn da onboard dran und wie kommst du darauf, dass da treiber fehlen?\n die treiber sind da und geladen, aber scheinen irgendwie einen bg zu haben, das ist ein atheros chip\n anscheinend gabs da auch mal einen patch, aber die treiber-hp is offline, ich bekomm da nur einen bad request error\n was hast du denn genau wie gemacht?\n also es scheinen zumindest noch mehr leute neben mir probleme mit diesem aheros-chip zu haben\n Kann man im grub rescue mode was sinnvolles machen..? oder ist das eine Sackgasse?\n ufff das ist auch schon wieder 2 wochen her oder so... vieeel :D ich glaub von diverse treiber per hand laden bis ellenlanges debugging im kernel hab ich alles m\u00c3\u00b6gliche versucht\n der fehler war, dass im endeffekt ab einem gewissen zeitpunkt (was genau der trigger daf\u00c3\u00bcr ist - ka) das ding sich immer wieder connected und disconnected hat... konnte man im dmesg dann sehen, f\u00c3\u00bcr den netzwerkmanager war die verbindung die ganze zeit da... sehr strange geschichte.\n dreamon: Wie meinen?\n sdx23, Hatte dual boot und grub2 als Bootloader drauf. Habe Ubuntu partition entfernt. Jetzt startet windows nicht mehr. nur noch in der grub rescue shell.\n Mu\u00c3\u009f aber irgendwie das Windows noch startet .. Was mir aber nicht gelingen will..\n dreamon: weil die daten von grub ja in der ubuntu partition lagen :X\n dreamon: nimm ne win cd und baller den win bootloader wieder drauf. \n k1l, genau. Jetzt habe ich ein Riesen Problem. Da diese verdammte Kiste nicht von CD booten kann(bios ist abgesperrt) \n deem: hast du irgendeine idee vllt? ich hab mal nmcli -p con up id verbindungs-id iface eth1 gemacht, aber er sagt nur: \"Fehler: Aktivierung der Verbindung ist gescheitert: Device not managed by NetworkManager or unavailable\n \"\n Wenn ich die festplatte ausbaue, wie kann ich extern Grub so killen, das er von dieser Platte nicht mehr bootet.. (dann w\u00c3\u00bcrde er CD booten)\n spooky: sry. keine ahnung\n k1l die ersten 512Byte l\u00c3\u00b6schen.. ist dann mbr weg?\n kthx trotzdem\n ich such ma weiter\n dreamon: ja. Mitsamt deiner Partitionstabelle.\n Oh Partitionstabelle will ich nicht verlieren.\n Wenn ich die HDD ausbaue und an ein laufendes Windows h\u00c3\u00a4nge.. kann ich da den MBR schreiben lassen?\n Ich wei\u00c3\u009f lediglich, dass es mit einer Windows-Rescue-Konsole geht.\n Kann man nicht irgendwie grub killen.. ohne die MBR zu l\u00c3\u00b6schen?\n \u00c3\u00a4hm meinte die Partitionstabelle zu l\u00c3\u00b6schen\n Den Teil vorher l\u00c3\u00b6schen. Aber dann hast du immernoch nichts, was daf\u00c3\u00bcr sorgt, dass Windows geladen wird.\n Ich hab mal mit gparted den \"boot\"option gel\u00c3\u00b6scht. mal schauen ob er von der CD startet..\n boot-option==boot-flag?\n genau\n bringt nix.. grub startet immer noch\n dreamon, was ist dein ziel? ... nur noch windows soll booten?\n den grub-bootloader einfach nur l\u00c3\u00b6schen klingt f\u00c3\u00bcr mich nicht sonderlich sinnvoll\n dreamon: frag doch am besten mal die windows jungs, wie man deren bootloader am einfachsten ohne ne cd wieder drauf bekommt.\n dreamon: mir f\u00c3\u00a4llt da so ein: Je nach Bios kann man mittels F8 oder F12 die Bootreihenfolge \u00c3\u00a4ndern, ohne wirklich ins Bios zu gehen.\n rumpe1, MBR mit windows neu beschreiben.. Aber das ich von CD booten kann. da ich nicht ins Bios komme. \n dreamon: --> #windows\n sdx23, Mu\u00c3\u009f man erst im Bios zulassen.. Leider\n dreamon: fixmbr in der windows rescue console\n Im Prinzip w\u00c3\u00bcrde es mir reichen Grub vom Starten abzuhalten, dann w\u00c3\u00bcrde bios automatisch mit der CD starten\n dreamon, dazu einfach kurz die jeweilige festplatte abklemmen?\n rumpe1, Hab ich versucht. Windows Reparatur erkennt die Festplatte dann aber nicht mehr rechtzeitig.\n dreamon: das sind alles halbgare bastell\u00c3\u00b6sungen. frag doch einfach die windows jungs ob und wie man da den winbootloader wieder herstellt. und win support ist hier _offtopic_ \n dreamon, also... wenn du ein image des windows-bootloaders h\u00c3\u00a4ttest, dann w\u00c3\u00a4r das was f\u00c3\u00bcr den kanal hier. Ansonsten...\n schon ok.. bin wech.. Ich versuche noch von CD zu booten und die HDD an Usb anzuschliessen.. mal schaun.\n Genial.. h\u00c3\u00a4tte nicht geglaubt das es geht.. aber es geht wieder.. Das Booten von CD und HDD an USB (keine Interne im Notebook) und ich konnte MBR schreiben\n * jemand ist hier und beobachtet uns\n Abend. Seit zwei Tagen f\u00c3\u00a4ngt mein Ubuntu immer abends (nach ca. 4 Stunden reibungslosem Betrieb) an, das \"Erscheinungsbild\" auf irgend ein grobklotziges, win-98-style-theme zu \u00c3\u00a4ndern. Ich muss nur die Erschenungsbild-Einstellungen \u00c3\u00b6ffnen (nichts darin anw\u00c3\u00a4hlen) und schon bemerkt er, dass er eigentlich ein anderes eingestellt hatte. Das Problem: Er vergisst es ca. im Minutentakt auch wieder, sodass man st\u00c3\u00a4ndig zur\u00c3\u00bcckstellen m\u00c3\u00bcsste. Wor\n ,512? Julian|H \n Julian|H: Ein IRC-Paket hat eine maximale Laenge von 512 Byte. Wenn deine Zeile zu lang ist, schneidet mein Client den Rest ab. Deshalb haben wir nur den Anfang deiner Zeile lesen koennen. Bedenke auch, dass ein Teil protokoll-intern genutzt wird und dir deshalb nicht die ganzen 512 Zeichen zur Verfuegung stehen. Auch die we\n I repeat: Abend. Seit zwei Tagen f\u00c3\u00a4ngt mein Ubuntu immer abends (nach ca. 4 Stunden reibungslosem Betrieb) an, \n das \"Erscheinungsbild\" auf irgend ein grobklotziges, win-98-style-theme zu \u00c3\u00a4ndern. Ich muss nur die Erschenungsbild-Einstellungen \u00c3\u00b6ffnen \n (nichts darin anw\u00c3\u00a4hlen) und schon bemerkt er, dass er eigentlich ein anderes eingestellt hatte. \n Das Problem: Er vergisst es ca. im Minutentakt auch wieder, sodass man st\u00c3\u00a4ndig zur\u00c3\u00bcckstellen m\u00c3\u00bcsste. Woran k\u00c3\u00b6nnte das liegen?\n mein kde speichert die display einstellungen nicht. ich muss jedesmal neu einstellen, dass mein dvi monitor links vom vga monitor steht und kein klon dessen ist. kann es sein, dass die datei, in der das gespeichert wird nicht exisitert oder nicht beschreibbar ist? wenn ja, welche ist das?\n deem ich glaube das steht in der xorg.conf\n spooky: seit 10.04 exisitert per default keine xorg.conf mehr\n aber ich sehe grade, dass das wohl ein bug in kde4 ist und man deshalb die einstellungen manuell in die xorg schreiben sollte\n ..die xorg.conf - manpage gibt dazu ne ganze menge her, das ubuntuwiki auch.\n k\n ich wei\u00c3\u009f\n du kannst sie immernoch benutzen. trotzdem wird per default keine erstellt\n hi\n gibt es ne m\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit die aktuelle displaykonfiguration, in einem f\u00c3\u00bcr die xorg.conf kompatiblen format auszulesen?\n zur not bau ich es auch manuell um\n deem, ich kenn nur den Trick mit dem booten in den Recovery-Modus und dann von X selbst schreiben lassen. Oder wenn du eine NVidia hast, das Konfig-Programm kann dir auch eine schreiben.\n Robert_Zenz: wie hei\u00c3\u009ft das?\n Ich habe auch mal eine Frage: Welches Programm k\u00c3\u00b6nnte Ihr f\u00c3\u00bcr manuelle Ordner-Synchronisation empfehlen? Ich probiere gerade mit Unison herum, aber das zickt rum, geht irgendwie nicht. Wichtig w\u00c3\u00a4re das es mit NTFS-Filesystem umgehen kann, da meine externen Festplatten damit formatiert sind. Ich will nur Ordner eines Windows XP Rechners mit meinem Ubuntu 10.04 \u00c3\u00bcber externe Festplatte synchronisieren.\n gh0st_less rsync?\n gh0st_less obs das f\u00c3\u00bcr windows gibt kp\n ldr: unison verwendet rsync\n gh0st_less: was f\u00c3\u00bcr probleme hast du denn mit rsync? bei mir funktioniert das wunderpr\u00c3\u00a4chtig mit ntfs, sogar per smb share\n deem, was?\n Robert_Zenz: na das konfig tool\n deem vllt ist das problem ja unison pfui guis oder wof\u00c3\u00bcr auch immer das ist ;)\n ldr: unison gibt es auch f\u00c3\u00bcrs terminal :P\n deem, nvidia-irgendwas, liegt bei den Treibern dabei im System->Verwaltung.\n deem sorry klang nach sowas wie xman\n deem: Hm bei mir erstellt er eine liste mit dateien die synchronisiert werden m\u00c3\u00bc\u00c3\u009ften und tut dann wenn mann auf go klickt nicht kopieren brichte alle ab\n Robert_Zenz: ich hab aber gar keine nvidia grafikkarte\n gh0st_less: weil? unison gibt auch fehlermeldungen aus\n deem, dann kannst du das auch nicht verwenden.\n deem was hast den f\u00c3\u00bcrne graka ?\n demm hm da werde ich es mal von einer konsole starten\n ach da steht ja auch nvidia. sry :D\n ldr: wenn ich keine nvidia habe, wer dich wohl ne ati haben denk ich :P\n deem gibt dasselbe doch f\u00c3\u00bcr amdccc oder so\n deem ich habe ne intel\n ldr: ich hab nen desktoprechner mit amd cpu :D\n deem amdcccle sit das nicht auch son settings dingens?\n deem oder aticonfig vllt kann das ja einer von denen\n ldr: wei\u00c3\u009f ich nicht. hab ich nicht. ich hab den opensource treiber\n deem okay\n es gab dochmal sowas wie \"xorg-config\"?\n deem jo das aber pberfl\u00c3\u00bcssig weil x das von alleine besser kann denke ich wenn du einfach nix angibst\n kann es ja eben nicht\n deem x ist ja heute ziemlich gut im selbst einstellen zu xfree86 ging das ja nicht\n deem sage ja nur warum das programm vermutlich weg ist\n hat canonical bez\u00c3\u00bcglich dessen mal sicherheitsupdates nachgeschoben oder muss man sich um ein update selbst k\u00c3\u00bcmmern? Link anbei http://www.linux-magazin.de/Blogs/Insecurity-Bulletin/Libre-Office-Attacke-mit-Lotus-Word-Pro-Dateien\n bigfatbird's url: http://tinyurl.com/3leesf6 | Libre Office: Attacke mit Lotus-Word-Pro-Dateien « Insecurity Bulletin « Blogs « Linux-Magazin Online \n ldr: mein problem ist halt, dass kde die einstellungen nicht speichern kann. da hilft mir leider auch die gute konfiguration des xservers nichts. einzige abhilfe. xorg.conf erstellen\n deem ja damn aber dann lass doch die komplizierten sachen wie modelines einfach weg die muss er doch schaffen\n deem in der xorg.conf dann\n deem also den ganzen timing krams kannst auf jedenfall \u00c3\u00bcber board werfen in den screen sections afaik\n ldr: ich will aber dieses ganze manuelle angepasse nicht. ich erinnere mich an nen befehl, der die xorg erstellen konnte, aber mir will nicht einfall wie er hie\u00c3\u009f\n Xorg --configure\n ja aber da bekommst ein sehr ... xorg.conf und ist nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich dasselbe wies x selber machen lassen\n ldr: es geht mir ja nicht darum, dass x es nicht hinbekommt. es geht mir darum, dass kde es nicht speichern kann\n PrickelPit was auch immer deem in kde einstellt was nicht gespeichert wird kennt Xorg --configure dann auch nicht\n PrickelPit: Unrecognized option: --configure\n X --configure\n maybe\n nur ein dash\n ne ein -\n -configure\n -configure\n fbsd will 2xdash\n deem das geht aber eigl nur wenn x nicht l\u00c3\u00a4uft\n die optionensyntax von X ist uralt, die macht keinen richtigen unterschied zwischen short- und long-options\n das war das was ich meinte\n ldr: freebsd hat ja nicht xorg, oder?\n POVaddct kp\n ldr: habs lange nicht angesehen, aber die haben doch xfree86\n POVaddct ne auch xorg\n POVaddct xfree86 wurde 2003 auch eingestellt afaik\n ldr: nein\n ldr: xfree86 hat aber irgendwann um die zeit rum eine unfreie lizenz bekommen\n POVaddct gut ist nicht mehr free dreist das dann immernohc xfree zu nennen :)\n POVaddct aber denen sind doch auch alle coder weggelaufen anchdem die einen rauswarfen oder so egal ist OT\n ack\n ok. das erstellt mir ne xorg.conf. bringt mir aber nix, weil da auch nur 1 monitor drin ist\n ausserdem startet mein xserver damit auch nicht, weil er die datei nicht findet. is mir jetzt auch wayne. stell ichs halt beim anmachen jedesmal um\n binmal gespannt ob der bug im neuen kde gefixed wird\n demm Der Fehler von Unison: Failed to set permissions of file /media/LAGER1/Eigene Dateien/Eigene Musik/.unison.Csilla Barta - Kaffeezeit-Remix.mp3.8dbd81fe52a8740af8f1e35bd891f517.unison.tmp to r-xr-xr-x: the permissions was set to rwxrwxrwx instead. The filesystem probably does not support all permission bits. You should probably set the \"perms\" option to 0o1555 (or to 0 if you don't need to synchronize permissions)\n gh0st_less: was ist der typ des zielfilesystems?\n gh0st_less: wenn du auf ntfs syncen willst musst du immer ein x setzen. die datei also ausf\u00c3\u00bchrbar machen, da ntfs kein unix rechtesystem kennt\n gh0st_less: meine dateien sehen so aus. -rwxr-xr-x 1 deem deem 485 2011-08-01 10:02 signatur.txt\n gh0st_less: wenn du die daten so anpasst sollte das funktionieren\n ntfs und (v)fat unterstuetzen keine individuellen unix-rechte und -owner. die werden beim mount global fuers filesystem gesetzt.\n jedes gemountete ntfs fs hat idr unter unix rwxrwxrwx\n deem: kommt ganz auf die mountoptionen an.\n POVaddct: wenn du es im nautilus/dolphin einh\u00c3\u00a4ngst, hat es immer rwxrwxrwx\n deem: mag sein, ich mounte per fstab.\n ich auch. smb share :D\n wie sieht denn das nun praktisch aus? wenn auf dem xp und linux rechner daten anfallen immer die rechte checken? irgendwie str\u00c3\u00a4ubt es mir auch exe-bits zu setzen f\u00c3\u00bcr mp3\n gh0st_less: dann mountest du am besten per fstab, da kannst du dann den partitionen/platten nur rw- geben. allerdings kannst du dann nachtr\u00c3\u00a4glich kein x setzen\n deem: wozu auch bei ntfs/vfat? da wird man ja keine linux-binaries drauf speichern\n gh0st_less oder du entscheidest dich darum das kind anders rum aufzuz\u00c3\u00a4umen, also nicht ntfs sondern ein format was linux datei rechte kann und von windows unterrs\u00c3\u00bctzt wird\n POVaddct: warum nicht?\n ldr: gibt es sowas?\n gh0st_less gibt zum beispiel ext2 treiber f\u00c3\u00bcr windows die super laufen\n deem: weil keine ownerships/rechtedaten erhalten werden\n gh0st_less reiser oder xfs treiber order irgednwas m\u00c3\u00bcsste auch zu bekommen sein denke ich\n ja ich wei\u00c3\u009f hab ich auch schon \u00c3\u00bcberlegt, aber dann will man mal mit der ext platte zu nem kumpel usw. \n ich such ein Proggi um Blogs extern zu verwalten/bearbeiten kennt jemand was gutes ?\n apricot1: Was genau willst du tun?\n Ein Blog installieren und dann bef\u00c3\u00bcllen?\n POVaddct: ich meine, warum man das nicht machen wollen sollte. dass das nicht erhalten bleibt wei\u00c3\u009f ich\n jo das das prob gh0st_less kannst ja vorneweg ne minni partition mit dem treiber machen in vfat\n Oder ntfs-3g benutzen.\n bekks ne geht ihm um die rechte\n das die erhalten bleiben\n Die kann man sowohl bei ntfs als auch vfat einfach vergessen.\n jo\n z.B. meine posts sehen antworten sehen neue blogs laden\n Es gibt keinen Weg, die sauber zu erhalten.\n deswegen hatte ich den ext2 windows treiber vergeschlagen wer k\u00c3\u00bcmmert sich schon um windows dateirechte :)\n Mit solchen Treibern werden aber die Rechte auch nicht sauber gesetzt.\n Und ACL kann man damit gar nicht abbilden.\n aber unison hat es ja auch f\u00c3\u00bcr windows\n Ja und?\n windows und linux passen einfach nicht zusammen\n Nur weil es viele Programme f\u00c3\u00bcr Linux UND Windows gibt, heisst das gar nichts in Bezug auf die Erhaltung von irgendwelchen Rechten.\n bekks, z.B. meine posts sehen antworten sehen neue blogs laden\n apricot1: firefox.\n windows kann keine unix-rechte und linux keine windows-acls\n will ja nur anwendungs-dateien syncen die rechte sind mir eigendlich egal\n gh0st_less: du wirst schlicht und ergreifend die rechte f\u00c3\u00bcr ntfs in der fstab setzen m\u00c3\u00bcssen. die bleiben dann so. aber das funktioniert immerhin\n bekks, den nehm ich ja aber immer nur im jeweiligen blog selbst. z.B. Telepolis - nciht so doll\n diese rechte werden natuerlich nicht wirklich im ntfs geaendert. sie werden nur vom vfs-layer \"dazugedichtet\".\n danke deem werde mal noch erst mal den artikel \u00c3\u00bcber unison in der wiki lesen\n apricot1: Google Reader\n danke\n gh0st_less: Unison hilft Dir da nicht wirklich weiter.\n etwas aufmerksamer\n wei\u00c3\u009f jemand, ob es einen Treiber f\u00c3\u00bcr Ubuntu gibt, der sich als MIDI-Eingabeger\u00c3\u00a4t ausgibt und die empfangenen Signale an ein MIDI-Ausgabeger\u00c3\u00a4t weiterleitet?\n wieso ausgibt? warum nutzt du nich gleich ne software, die irgendwas an das \"MIDI-Ausgabeger\u00c3\u00a4t\" schickt?\n hi, noch jemand wach?\n ne\n :)\n wenn ja wei\u00c3\u009f jemand ob ich auf einen USB-Stick so Ubuntu installieren kann: http://i.imgur.com/GcuLw.png dass dann nacher sdb1 quasi normal als Daten-USB-Stick weiterverwendet werden kann (die ganzen Windows-Rechner erkennen dann ja nur die erste Partition) und ich auf dem ext-Dateisystem Ubuntu installiere und das Swap f\u00c3\u00bcr Swap nehme?\n in der Wiki-Anleitun steht viel von Grub aber wenn ich das recht verstanden habe wird da das FAT-Dateisystem f\u00c3\u00bcr die installation benutzt\n ja, das ist so machbar\n nein, du verwechselst vermutlich gerade ein live-system mit einer normalen installation wie auf hdd\n hab \"Live-USB - persistente Installation\" angeschaut\n wenn du es auf den stick installierst als w\u00c3\u00a4r er eine hdd, bleibt die vfat partition unangetastet\n genau, das beschreibt die einrichtung als live-system\n ok, aber die FAT-Partition muss ich quasi vor\u00c3\u00bcbergehend als \"CD-Laufwerk\"-Ersatz benutzen wenn das ger\u00c3\u00a4t sonst keines hat?\n puh, auch das k\u00c3\u00b6nnte gehen, theoretisch\n hab's nie probiert\n also auf die FAT das Image ziehen (entpackt) und FAT auf boot stellen, auf ext installieren, dann ext auf boot stellen und die inhalte von FAT wieder l\u00c3\u00b6schen\n den live stick richtet man aber anders ein\n also ich will das schon \"normal\" installieren\n http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Live-USB\n#ubuntu-de 2011-08-02\n da steht leider nichts wie ich dann mit den boot-flags der partitionen umgehen soll\n der grub-bootloader kommt dann ja auch auf das ext, muss ich dann wieder das boot flag auf diese partition setzen?\n grub kommt in den mbr des sticks\n nicht auf die ext\n die boot flags sind egal\n werden eh ignoriert\n die daten des live-systems liegen als squashfs image in den vfat fs\n das wird gebootet\n dann kannst du davon ausgehend auf die ext2 partition installieren\n am ende wird wiederum grub in den mbr des sticks geschrieben, das dann nur das fest installierte ubuntu von der ext2 partition startet\n Ah, ok Danke!\n mit der vfat partition kannst du dann anstellen, was du willst\n naja, so die theorie\n und das swap wird hoffentlich auch irgendwie erkannt bzw. kann ich bei der installation zuweisen? weil das netbook hat nur 1gb ram das ist schnell voll\n swp auf usb ist so ziemlich das langsamste, was es gibt\n wird dir vermutlich wenig oder nichts bringen an performance\n aber doch, es wird automatisch erkannt, ja\n zur not gibst du es halt bei der installation an\n ok, danke :) ich probiers einfach mal aus\n viel spa\u00c3\u009f\n mh, das geht ja schon gut los, beim Kopievorgang vom Image auf den Stick h\u00c3\u00a4ngt er sich bei /casper/initrd.lz auf\n Kann es sein, dass mplayer zwar hardwarebeschleunigte Videodekodierung unterst\u00c3\u00bctzt, gnome-mplayer aber nicht?\n bekommt man irgendwo die mhz meines speichers angezeigt?\n moing\n moin\n ich hab mir gestern mal die 10.04 installiert und wollte jetzt ein frischen kernel backen...allerdings bekomme ich da das: http://pastebin.com/jBJXXRES ...kann das irgendwie jemand nachvollziehen, bzw. best\u00c3\u00a4tigen?\n kernel ist der linux-headers-2.6.32-33-generic und der linux-headers-2.6.38-10-generic\n das make menuconfig lief ohne probs durch, die config wurde schon ausgetauscht oder auch schon komplett weggelassen\n breaker`: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ <-\n ist das selbe was du machen m\u00c3\u00b6chtest schon fertig\n danke...die \"Lucid\" war die 10.4 und die \"Oneiric\" die 11.x, oder?\n breaker`: 11.11\n 11.04 ist natty\n hmm...ist das gleiche prob\n breaker`: welches ubuntu hast du? 11.10 oder 10.04?\n deem: die 11.04\n deem: mit dem 2.6.32-33-generic #71-Ubuntu SMP auf amd64\n breaker`: wie versuchst du denn den mainline kernel zu installieren?\n na, ich hab mir die headers und das image gesagt (liegt unter /usr/src/), da hab ich ein symlink angelegt, und dort wollte die sache erst mal konfigurieren\n breaker`: bitte mal `lsb_release -a` pasten\n breaker`: warum installierst du den kernel nicht einfach \u00c3\u00bcbers paketmanagement?\n habe ich ja\n aber?\n deem: sorry, hab die 10.4...nicht die 11.4 :D\n breaker`: paste mal bitte \"lsb_release -a\"\n ,paste? breaker` \n breaker`: Nicht selbst geschriebener Text wird im IRC sehr unleserlich und unhandlich. Deshalb sollten mehr als 3 Zeilen immer in einen sogenannten (No)Paste-Service abgelegt werden. Nutze http://paste.pocoo.org\n deem: http://pastebin.com/4Rr2rVd6\n kk. also. was genau hast du jetzt gemacht und was geht nicht?\n breaker`: btw bist du dir im klaren dar\u00c3\u00bcber, dass du mit einem mainline kernel keinen support mehr bekommst?\n ich habe mir die headers installiert => linux-headers-2.6.38-10-generic (\u00c3\u00bcber apt), danach ein symlink angelegt und von dort wollte ich den kernel konfigurieren\n bis da hin kein prob\n hab die .config abgespeichert und wollte mit make den neuen kernel bauen...bekomme aber das: http://pastebin.com/jBJXXRES\n breaker`: Du hast die M\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit \u00c3\u00bcber die Paketverwaltung die zur\u00c3\u00bcck portierten Kernel aus maverick und/oder natty zu installieren (2.6.35 bzw. 2.6.38)\n breaker`: linux-headers braucht man nur, wenn man ein Kernel-Modul f\u00c3\u00bcr diesen Kernel bauen m\u00c3\u00b6chte, nicht um den Kernel selber zu bauen\n breaker`: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Mainline-Kernel\n breaker`: da steht, was du brauchst\n deem: na super...schon 1000 mal gemacht und doch vergessen, die source zu installieren -.-\n h\u00c3\u00a4tte mir bei der fehlermeldung eigentlich auffallen m\u00c3\u00bcssen :P\n Banshee > Titeleditor > Sortierung: Wie wirkt es sich aus, wenn man im Feld \"Titelnamen sortieren:\" einen Eintrag vornimmt?\n Hallo\n Wenn ich eine ssh-Verbindung offen habe und das Netzwerkkabel ziehe und sp\u00c3\u00a4ter wieder anstecke, ist meine Verbindung weg. Was ist die Ursache? Network-Manager? Ist eine per DHCP vergebene Adresse. Timeout im NAT-Router ist hoch genug.\n Fuchur_: gegenfrage: wieso sollte die verbindung noch da sein, wenn das netzwerkkabel und damit die netzwerkverbindung l\u00c3\u00a4ngere zeit weg ist?\n Wenn man das KAbel zieht, reisst die Verbindung ab - ist so.\n Nein, ist falsch. Das denken die meisten, ist aber trotzdem falsch.\n LOL\n Doch, ist richtig. \n Wieso sollte es anders sein - detailierte technische Erkl\u00c3\u00a4rung mit Erw\u00c3\u00a4hnung von ssh und NM bitte.\n bekks: Gegenfrage: Warum sollte die Verbidung denn abrei\u00c3\u009fen, wenn nichts \u00c3\u00bcbertragen wird.\n TCP kennt keinen Timeout.\n Doch.\n Nein\n Ist aber auch egal, selbst wenn Du TCPKeepAlive anschaltest ist der Timeout bei 3 Stunden.\n Zum einen kennt TCP einen Timeout, zum anderen kennt SSH den Nagle Algorithm.\n Die Verbindung ist aber nach 5 sek. weg.\n Wie kommst Du auf 3 Stunden?\n bekks: Keepalives bei ssh hab ich ausgeschaltet.\n Belege doch bitte mal deine Aussagen irgendwie.\n bekks: Schwierig, weil es einfach keinen RFC gibt, der ein Timeout definiert.\n Also ich kann auch sagen, da\u00c3\u009f das (zu Hause) funktioniert. Da habe ich Debian und ne feste IP.\n Da kann ich das Netzwerkkabel trennen, ins Wohnzimmer gehen, dort wieder anstecken und alles l\u00c3\u00a4uft einwandfrei.\n LAut RFC1122 hat TCP sehr wohl einen Timeout.\n Vorausgesetzt ich tippe nicht irgendwas in ssh w\u00c3\u00a4hrend das Kabel raus ist.\n bekks: du meinst den Timeout, der eintrifft, weil jede Station Time-To-Live eins runterz\u00c3\u00a4hlt?\n Nein.\n bekks: Moment, ich schau mir den RFC an.\n Ich meine die Algorithmen von Jacobson und Karn.\n 4.2.3.1 und 4.2.3.5\n Fuchur_: und wie lange kannst du das Kabel entfernt lassen ohne das die Verbindung wegbricht?\n Da gehts aber um *re*transmission.\n Fuchur_: ClientAliveInterval und ServerAliveInterval hast du ebenfalls nicht gesetzt?\n Ja, das ist ja auch das, was stattfindet in dem Fall.\n Fuchur_: TCPKeepAlive hast du ja schon auf no\n bekks: Warum? Ich sende ja nichts, also d\u00c3\u00bcrfte er auch nicht auf eine Antwort warten.\n joschi: Ja, ist nicht gesetzt.\n [ ] Du hast TCP verstanden.\n bekks: Dann erkl\u00c3\u00a4r mal, ich bin gespannt.\n Als Startlekt\u00c3\u00bcre empfehle ich Dir: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_Control_Protocol\n bekks: RTO ist der Timeout, der abl\u00c3\u00a4uft, wenn der Zeitraum zischen dem Aussenden eines TCP-Pakets bis zum eintreffen des ACKs \u00c3\u00bcberschritten wird.\n bekks: Lies Du doch mal den RFC durch, den Du mir genannt hast. Ich sehe absolut nicht, wo die beschriebene RTO-Situation in diesem Fall eintritt.\n Wenn ich eine TCP-Verbindung habe und nichts mache, bleibt die auch nach einem Jahr noch offen, ohne da\u00c3\u009f ein Paket \u00c3\u00bcbertragen wurde, es sei denn der Router oder die Firewall ist Stateful und wirft die Verbindung nach einiger Zeit weg. Das kann ich hier ausschlie\u00c3\u009fen.\n Gerade sagtest du noch ohne KeepAlive wird sie nach drei Stunden geschlossen.\n Hmm, werd mal mit tcpdump schauen, was genau passiert ...\n ibekks: Ja, aber das ist ja auch abgeschaltet.\n das ganze ist imho auch eher etwas f\u00c3\u00bcr den offtopic channel. ist ja nicht wirklich ubuntu support\n k1l_: OK, hab halt nur gedacht, da\u00c3\u009f es vielleicht am Network-Manager liegt und jemand mit dem Problem schon Erfahrungen hat.\n Ich schau mal selbst mit tcpdump. Aber trotzdem danke f\u00c3\u00bcr die M\u00c3\u00bche.\n frage ich habe einen Hauptordner in dem befinden sich mehrere Unterordner in denen jeweils gepackte rar Dateien in Teilarchiven liegen. Gibt es da was in der Konsole was ich dr\u00c3\u00bcber laufen lassen kann das er die rar Dateien in den Unterordnern entpackt ?\n for i in ...; do cd ....; unrar .....; done\n oder sch\u00c3\u00b6ner \u00c3\u00bcber find . -name \"*.rar\" -exec unrar ...\n sind die .... PLatzhalter f\u00c3\u00bcr Pfade ?\n Platzhalte f\u00c3\u00bcr Logik, die man selbst einbauen soll :)\n joar habs danke f\u00c3\u00bcr die Hilfe bekks \n Hey, habe ich das richtig verstanden, dass ATI's XvBA das \u00c3\u0084quivalent zu NVIDIA's VDPAU? Ich habe ne ATI 6300HD und wundere mich, weshalb die Videodekodierung hardwarebeschleunigt ist aber unter dem gnome-mplayer (der doch eig. nur der mplayer+gui ist) nicht. Kann man irgendwie in der Konsole ausgeben, ob die Hardwarebeschleunigung wirklich aktiv ist? Oder wie kann ich das feststellen?\n ..., weshalb die Videodekodierung im mplayer hardwarebeschleunigt ist...\n hallo bei meinen ubuntu 11.04 kann ich kein program mehr starten nur die startprograme starten sich.\n weis wer eine l\u00c3\u00b6sung\n hey, kennt jemand eine m\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit rsync ein ssh passwort zu \u00c3\u00bcbergeben?\n jff40: Was meinst Du mit \"Startprogramme\"?\n die im autostart\n jff40: was hei\u00c3\u009ft startet nicht? hast du mal versucht aus dem terminal zu starten?\n jff40: GNOME 2? GNOME 3? \n ich kann noch nich mal das starten\n jff40: versuch mal \"strg+alt+t\"\n LindseyDonald: Wie rufst du auf? rsync -e \"ssh \" ?\n redknight, jo\n geht nicht\n jff40: Wie reagiert der Computer, wenn Du eingibst Strg+Alt+F1?\n redknight, mit ssh-keys ohne passwort ist nicht m\u00c3\u00b6glich, ein passwort ist zwingend erforderlich\n redknight, ich habe nur absolut keine idee wie ich das passwort \u00c3\u00bcbergen soll oder auf die password promt readieren kann :(\n LindseyDonald: Ist OT, aber warum amchst Du dir das leben so schwer? ;)\n LindseyDonald: wieso sind ssh-keys ohne password nicht m\u00c3\u00b6glich?\n LindseyDonald: rsync -e \"ssh -l ssh-user:passwort\"\n LindseyDonald: Achso, du hast einen Prompt, aber willst automatisiert eingeben?\n jff40: wechsel mal mittels \"strg+alt+f1\" ins tty und versuch mal da etwas zu starten\n redknight, naja wenn er ein passwort f\u00c3\u00bcr den key verlangt kommt halt die promt von ssh\n mach ich\n jff40: mit \"strg+alt+f7/f8\" komsmt du wieder zur\u00c3\u00bcck\n bullgard4: super, erkl\u00c3\u00a4r ihm doch auch wie er wieder zur\u00c3\u00bcck kommt.\n redknight, und ja es muss automatisiert sein, da ich das password sonst so oft eingeben muss \n LindseyDonald: du kannst deinem ssh key problemlos eine pass phrase setzen, den schl\u00c3\u00bcssel dann dem ssh-agent hinzuf\u00c3\u00bcgen und fertig\n 13:57:49 < deem+> LindseyDonald: rsync -e \"ssh -l ssh-user:passwort\"\n jff40: was hast du denn gemacht bevor es nicht mehr ging. hast du etwa am $PATH rumgefummelt?\n LindseyDonald: Den key kann man eigentlich per Session freigeben oder \u00c3\u00a4hnliches ;) Egal. Siehe deems hinweis oder du benutzt expect (hab ich selbst keine Erfahrung mit)\n ne\n danke deem versuche ich gleich mal\n jff40: was hast du denn gemacht? weil von nichts passiert sowas nicht\n deem: `ssh -l user:password host`? ich glaube nicht ;)\n bei deem's vorschlag sollte man sich bewusst sein, dass danach das Passwort nicht mehr geheim ist, da es in \"ps aux\" auftaucht\n ich habe nichs gemacht\n joschi: nein. rsync -e \"ssh -l user:passwort\" host\n geser: Und im Skript :D\n deem: letztendlich ist es das, was ich geschrieben habe, aber das klappt so nicht\u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n redknight, das klingt gut wie kann man dem ssh-agent den key f\u00c3\u00bcr die session freigeben? einmal password eingeben ist ok aber dann muss er ohne weiter machen k\u00c3\u00b6nnen, ich habe 12 rsycs zu machen.\n joschi: ist es nicht\n deem: doch, aber der parameter -l f\u00c3\u00bcr ssh funktioniert nicht so, wie du dir das vorstellst\n ,ssh? LindseyDonald \n LindseyDonald, SSH ist http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/SSH - Weitere Infos im query ...\n mist\n Ah, doch, war richtig^^\n LindseyDonald: Da hats einen ziemlich ausf\u00c3\u00bchrlcihen Teil \u00c3\u00bcber die benutzung von keyfiles\n und du willst keyfiles ;)\n jff40: Was ist im Moment gerade auf Deinem bildschirm zu sehen?\n joschi: stimmt. du hast recht. das gin bei rdesktop so. nicht bei ssh :D\n s/gin/ging/\n deem meant: joschi: stimmt. du hast recht. das ging bei rdesktop so. nicht bei ssh :D\n redknight, danke ich lese mir das mal in ruhe durch\n jff40: das sagen sie alle. was hast du denn gemacht, bevor nichts mehr gestartet ist? konntest du im tty programme starten?\n ich kann keine program \u00c3\u00bcber tty starten\n Weil was passiert?\n redknight, danke nochmal das mit dem ssh-agent ist genau das was ich will :)\n * redknight wusste das\n :D\n :D\n /sr/lib/firefox-5.0/firefox-bin: relocation error: /usr/lib/firefox-5.0/libxul.so: symbol snd_pcm_recover, version ALSA_0.9 not defined in file libasound.so.2 with link time reference\n jff40: Das passiert bei Firefox. Was passiert bei anderen Befehlen?\n vi geht\n * LetoThe2nd w\u00c3\u00a4re mal an lsb_release -a, uname -a /etc/apt/surces.list und ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d interessiert. in einem pastebin, sch\u00c3\u00b6n versammelt.\n s/surces/sources/\n letothe2nd meant: w\u00c3\u00a4re mal an lsb_release -a, uname -a /etc/apt/sources.list und ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d interessiert. in einem pastebin, sch\u00c3\u00b6n versammelt.\n jff40: Also hast Du mehr als \"nichts gemacht\" - was genau hast Du getan?\n Irgendwas in Richtung Updates von Firefox, o.\u00c3\u00a4.\n * LetoThe2nd ist ziemlich sicher, dass die ursache aus den geforderten informationen zu erkennen w\u00c3\u00a4re. zumindest ist die wahrscheinlichkeit hoch.\n In skype zeigt meine camera nur ein schwarzes Bild an, in cheese z.b. funktioniert sie aber problemlos\n hi, wenn ich ubuntu auf einem usb-stick installieren will und auch noch eine festplatte in dem notebook verbaut ist, kann ich dann sicher sein, dass bei der Installation die Festplatte nicht angefasst wird, wenn ich nur auf dem USB-Stick den Einh\u00c3\u00a4ngepunkt / zuweise und auch sage, dass der bootmanager auf den Stick soll und an der Partition der Festplatte nichts \u00c3\u00a4ndere?\n sebastian__: ja\n ok, also wo ich den Einh\u00c3\u00a4ngepunkt hinlege ist vermutlich entscheident f\u00c3\u00bcr die Partition auf die installiert wird, oder?\n Welchen Einh\u00c3\u00a4ngepunkt?\n Hi!\n Ich suche einen FTP Server mit dem ich einen einfachen Zugang schaffen kann, um von einem Drucker gescannte Dokumente dort zu speichern?\n vsftpd\n Teste ich.\n Mir ist der zweite Name nicht mehr eingefallen. Ich hab grad den proftpd getestet.\n proftpd ist nicht gerade f\u00c3\u00bcr seine Sicherheit ber\u00c3\u00bchmt :)\n also beim Insallationspunkt \"Festplattenspeicher zuweisen\" kann man ja die laufwerke und partitionen sehen\n Ist ein internes Netz und wir haben hier gerade provisorisch in einem Zelt nen Netzwerkdrucker, etwa 10 Notebook und gehen \u00c3\u00bcber nen UMTS Stick ins Netz. :D\n da kann man einh\u00c3\u00a4ngepunkt, formatieren und so w\u00c3\u00a4hlen\n sebastian__: Ich hab noch nie die grafische Installation gesehen :)\n Ich hab den vsftpd aufgesetzt. Einloggen kann ich mich mit einem der Systemuser, allerdings kann ich keine Ordner per FTP erstellen oder Dateien per put hochladen. Im vsftpd.log und im syslog kann ich leider keine Fehler dazu entdecken. Kann mir jemand sagen woran das liegt?\n ,vsftpd? fr00d \n fr00d, vsftpd ist http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/vsftpd - Weitere Infos im query ...\n Lesen und dann konfigurieren :)\n toll jetzt h\u00c3\u00a4ngt die installation schon wieder -.- \"ermittle dateisystem\" - obwohl ich doch die partition schon zugewiesen habe etc...\n Danke, die write Konfiguration hatte mir noch gefehlt.\n eh, was zur h\u00c3\u00b6lle: macht find breiten- oder tiefensuche?\n dAnjou: ich wette standardm\u00c3\u00a4\u00c3\u009fig nichts von beidem. wahrscheinlich so, wie das dateisystem ihm die dinge auflistet\n siehe parameter (-depth)\n weils verdammt ewig dauert, bis es mit bordmitteln mal n paar symlinks findet. da geht \"find -ls | grep lrwxrwxrwx\" schon schneller\n ja und mit -maxdepth sowieso noch schneller\n hi, wie kann ich meinen benutzernamen \u00c3\u00a4ndern? \n den von ubuntu?\n ja\n Wie richte ich am geschicktesten einen Drucker ein, sodass alle Windows Clients direkt den Treiber auch mit bekommen?\n ohne neu installieren, dass home usw \u00c3\u00bcbernommen wird. also nur den namen \u00c3\u00a4ndern. geht das?\n ja, darfst aber nicht angemeldet sein\n ich wei\u00c3\u009f nich genau, wie man das hinkriegt, wenn man der einzige nutzer is\n oder w\u00c3\u00a4re neu installieren da einfacher...\n das w\u00c3\u00a4re holzhammer\n michi_: wart mal noch n bisl hier\n dann hab ich immer noch das problem mit samba, bzw meiner netzwerkfreigabe. die will einfach nich so wie ich will. dabei ging das mal...\n Hey, nach dem docking bzw. undocking funktioniert bei mir das Scrollen am touchpad-rand nicht mehr. (manchmal funktioinert es nach 1-2 Minuten wieder) Kann ich da irgendwie eine erneute Konfiguration ansto\u00c3\u009fen?\n innerand, \"System -> Einstellungen -> Maus -> Touchpad\"\n oder schau dir mal \"gsynaptics\" an\n ja, die dinge die dort eingestellt sind funktionieren eben nicht mehr\n Also ich boote ubuntu - touchpad + scrollen funktioniert, ich nehme es aus dem Dook, touchpad funktioniert, scrollen nicht mehr\n *Dock\n innerand, check mal /boot/grub/menu.lst ob dort der eintrag \"acpi_osi=Linux\" zu finden ist.\n michi_> einer der m\u00c3\u00b6glichkeiten die du auch h\u00c3\u00a4ttest, w\u00c3\u00a4re deinen usernamen vorerst nicht zu \u00c3\u00a4ndern sondern einen neuen zu erstellen und den inhalt deines jetzigen home zu \u00c3\u00bcbernehmen und die benutzerrechte anzupassen. vorteil w\u00c3\u00a4re imho du kannst auf deinen jetzigen benutzer zur\u00c3\u00bcckgreifen und durch das neuanlegen w\u00c3\u00bcrde man etwas lernen.. ;)\n subz3r0, die datei existiert nicht\n Hallo! Koennt ihr mir ein paar Sachen sagen, die ich versuchen kann? Mein System U10.10 reagiert nicht mehr. Der Bildschirm ist leicht abgedunkelt und eingefroren.\n michi_> meiner einer w\u00c3\u00bcrde es so erst mal machen.. ansonsten/zus\u00c3\u00a4tzlich 'useradd' und 'usermod' lesen \n innerand, welche ubuntu version hast du am laufen?\n 11.04\n innerand, \"/boot/grub/grub.cfg\"\n um den Usernamen \u00c3\u00a4ndern gibt es a) Die Benutzerverwaltung und b) usermod\n im wiki hab ich auch was zum nutzernamen aendern geschrieben\n habe nun endlich nen freund \u00c3\u00bcberzeugt ubuntu zu nutzen(11.04 64bit) nun nach stundenlangen versuchen seinen beamer vern\u00c3\u00bcnftig zum laufen zu bringen - habe ich keinen plan mehr, was man noch machen kann. Hier mal seine xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/pyFYKY0E Problem ist, dass das maximieren nicht funktioniert. zb firefox ragt \u00c3\u00bcber das bild des beamers hinaus\n koegs> funktioniert beides auch wenn der benutzer angemeldet angemeldet ist welcher ge\u00c3\u00a4ndert werden soll?\n CidHighwindonpla: welcher artikel?\n einmal anmelden reicht f\u00c3\u00bcr gew\u00c3\u00b6hlich\n beaver74: Es ist nicht m\u00c3\u00b6glich den aktuell eingeloggten Benutzer zu bearbeiten.\n kann ich grad nicht sehen. Bin mit dem Tele online.\n Wir, bzw ich habe es \u00c3\u00bcber twinview mit den properit\u00c3\u00a4ren nvida treibern versucht. Bild funzt, aber die Aufl\u00c3\u00b6sung passt irgendwie nicht. K\u00c3\u00b6nnte mal jmd. nen Blick auf seine xorg.conf werfen?\n pc ist ja gerade abgestuerzt \n CidHighwindonpla, mach doch einfach reset (oder versuch mal ob strg + Alt + F1 noch klappt)\n man sollte das in ner rootshell machen.\n mach ich halt hardreset. aber er piept noch. ma ht irgendwas.\n alt + druck + R E I S U B kannst auch noch versuchen\n wie krieg ich meine netzwerkfreigabe gescheit zum laufen? in nautilus sagt der immer, dass der windowsspeicher nicht eingeh\u00c3\u00a4ngt werden kann und auch andere rechner im heimnetz kommen nicht drauf. ebenso mein NMT nicht...\n kennt sich jemand mit privoxy aus? im taskmanager wird privoxy aufgef\u00c3\u00bchrt, trotzdem schl\u00c3\u00a4gt jeder versuch fehl, \u00c3\u00bcber http://p.p/ eine verbindung aufzubauen. dito werde ich jedesmal von http://config.privoxy.org/ nach http://www.privoxy.org/config/ geleitet.\n Rochvellon, haste den Eintrag im Wiki gelesen dazu?\n michi_ wie sieht deine smb.conf aus und was genau hast du gemacht?\n Rochvellon, paste mal deine config von privoxy auf ner paste bin site...\n meine smb.conf: http://pastebin.com/4EEMfPs4\n Wie kann ich ein Modul (Synapitcs) neu laden? \n subz3r0: ja, bin ich dabei, nur habe ich bisher noch nicht viel dazu gelesen. dennoch kann ich \u00c3\u00bcber den port mit meinem browser auf das inet zugreifen, was mich auch ein wenig stutzig macht\n michi_ da fehlt noch \"guest account = nobody\n und mach mal public=yes bei den shares\n wie kann ich denn in uusers alle meine Artikel.finden?\n subz3r0: http://pastebin.com/aQeYZEP1\n Die ich ins Forum gechrieben habe?\n da stand wie ich es im wiki beschrieben habe.\n bezueglich benutzername aendern.\n mhh, erweiterte suche nach username?\n bzw. ersteller?\n die raute vor dem guest raus?\n michi_: eine raute am anfang der zeile bedeutet dies ist ein kommentar und damit nicht wirksam\n so besser?\n # Allow users who've been granted usershare privileges to create\n # public shares, not just authenticated ones\n \tusershare allow guests = yes\n \tusername map = /etc/samba/smbusers\n \tsecurity = guest\n \tguest ok = yes\n \tguest account = nobody\n ,nopaste? michi_ \n michi_: Nicht selbst geschriebener Text wird im IRC sehr unleserlich und unhandlich. Deshalb sollten mehr als 3 Zeilen immer in einen sogenannten (No)Paste-Service abgelegt werden. Nutze http://paste.pocoo.org [paste]\n hier noch mal die komplette: http://pastebin.com/2vYa6ajf\n michi_: wie schon vor tagen gesagt: ; und # zeigen kommentare an. was dahinter steht sieht der smb-server nicht\n und weiter noch: da fehlt immer noch \"public = yes\" und jetzt hast du 2x mal eine \"security = \" zeile\n welche zeile?\n ich halte dich f\u00c3\u00bcr f\u00c3\u00a4hig die zeilen selber zu finden\n 241 und 102\n cr0wd: sag doch nicht alles vor :P\n eine von den security zeilen kann ich auskommentieren?\n ich lerne grad selber mit durch zuh\u00c3\u00b6ren, bei mir funktionieren freigaben aber 2 user k\u00c3\u00b6nnen nur in den von ihnen erstellten ordnern schreiben, nutzer sind in linux sowie in samba erstellt und geh\u00c3\u00b6ren in linux einer gruppe an.\n schreibrechte f\u00c3\u00bcr die ordner hab ich auch erstellt\n cr0wd: schau dir an wie die rechte bei ihren ordnern aussehen und bei dem rest.\n cr0wd: pack z.b. alle in eine gruppe \"sambagruppe_mit_schreibrechten\" und gib dieser gruppe die schreibrechte auf den freigaben.\n in nautilus lassen sich die ordner immer noch nich anzeigen...\n ist der noch da der den nutzernamen aensern wollte?\n ja\n k1l: hab ich schon vorher ja geh\u00c3\u00b6ren zu einer gruppe und eigent\u00c3\u00bcmer ist jeweils einer der beiden\n die loesung ist im remstersys artikel jm wiki zu finden.\n Hat niemand nen twinview am laufen mit monitor und beamer? :)\n verzweifel an der config... :/\n soll ich eins von den guest dingern auskommentieren?\n michi_: ich empfehle dir grunds\u00c3\u00a4tzlich mal die config von unn\u00c3\u00b6tigem zeug zu befreien und dann genau zu schauen welche parameter du \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt brauchst\n z.B. eine brauchbare config hat weniger als 25 zeilen\n k\u00c3\u00b6nntest mir da vielleicht nen vorschlag pasten?\n wo w\u00c3\u00a4re der lerneffekt?\n dass ich einmal wei\u00c3\u009f, wie das richtig geht... bin ja gewohnt, dass das mit dem grafik ding funzt, auch auf ubuntu...\n was kann ich machen, wenn ich das flash-player-paket installiert habe, aber der flash player nicht als plugin bei firefox auftaucht?\n es ging schonmal, aber jetzt ist der flash-player zwar noch installiert aber nicht mehr im browser, habe das pakte auch schon entfernt und wieder neu installiert, bringt nichts\n subz3r0, hab ich \u00c3\u00b6fter mal gehabt, aber ich mach das mit nvidia-settings\n ,flash? sebastian\n sebastian: Anleitung unter http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Adobe_Flash\n mein xchat zeigt keine netzwerkliste an\n was kann ich da machen?\n CidHighwindonpla, dr\u00c3\u00bcck mal Strg + S\n ah, ok danke! jetzt funktionierts wieder, das deinstallieren und installieren in der konsole hat was gebracht aber mit dem GUI-Paketmanager nicht\n kein proxy,\n +dadrc hilt nichts. die hei\u00c3\u009fen neues Netzwerk und offenbar sieht xchat die netzwerke nicht.\n ich gehe per dsl online.\n der will einfach nich...\n ,tab? CidHighwindonpla \n CidHighwindonpla: Bei vielen IRC-Clients ist es moeglich mit Hilfe der Tab-Taste den Nickname anderer Nutzer zu vervollstaendigen. Tippe beispielsweise shet um shetlandpony zu erhalten. Derartiges Verhalten ist im Uebrigen an vielen Stellen anzutreffen, beispielsweise auch im Grossteil der Shells. [tabcompletion]\n deem ich habe keine tab tase denke ich.\n +t\n CidHighwindonpla, \u00c3\u00bcber Shift Lock, unter ^, links von q\n CidHighwindonpla, ich versteh nicht wirklich, was genau dein Problem ist. Was passiert denn, wenn du im Men\u00c3\u00bc die Netzwerkliste anklickst?\n CidHighwindonpla: du nutzt doch eh grade android irc.\n niemand, das versuche ich auch. bzw es l\u00c3\u00a4uft. aber die res auf dem beamer passt nicht. wenn ich zb firefox maximiere, sehe ich den r\u00c3\u00a4nder nicht vom ff\n niemand links vom q ist mein telefon zuende\n CidHighwindonpla: und was hat das mit xchat zu tun?\n da stehen keine netzwerke in der liste in xchat. und weil ich momentan mit dem pc nicht ins irc kann frage ich per android telephon nach.\n ist es das normale xchat? oder das xchat-gnome?\n wenn du support f\u00c3\u00bcr deinen PC willst, solltest du auch nicht auf deine handy-tastatur gucken...\n normales xchat.\n subz3r0, das Problem hatte ich auch schon mal, ich fand leider keine (graphische) L\u00c3\u00b6sung daf\u00c3\u00bcr, au\u00c3\u009fer per Hand die Gr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fe des Fensters einzustellen\n xchat de- und reinstallieren?\n was kann ich denn noch einstellen, dass das endlich funzt?\n michi_: ganz im ernst. wieviele tage willst du noch wild rumklicken?\n michi_: setz dich auf deinen hosenboden und geh die wikiseite zur smb.conf durch, die ich dir vor tage gegeben habe. da steht auch das mit den ; und # drin, was du bisher auch noch falsch hattest.\n am liebsten w\u00c3\u00a4re es mir, wenn das schon laufen w\u00c3\u00bcrde, wie ich es gew\u00c3\u00b6hnt bin...\n das is ne aussage\n ^^\n hm, wo ich grad das wiki zu smb.conf lese, genau danach bin ich vorgegangen damals :D\n absolut stabil und man kann die smb.conf auch nach ner neuinstallation \u00c3\u00bcbernehmen ohne gro\u00c3\u009f in der GUI rumzuklicken...\n vor der neuinstallstion lief alles problemlos mit der gnome user share...\n niemand, haste evtl f\u00c3\u00bcr mich ne funzende bsp. xorg.conf?\n also wonach ich mich richten kann\n oder lust mal \u00c3\u00bcber meine zu schauen?\n beides w\u00c3\u00a4re super ;) -> http://pastebin.com/pyFYKY0E\n fehler gefunden: habe anstelle von 127.0.0.1 128.0.0.1 eingetragen ...\n ,funzen?\n Musste nach dem Insten iwie confen, bis es vllt funzt u so weiter.\n awww. deem, nen schlechten tag?\n bis sp\u00c3\u00a4ter cu :)\n cu\n subz3r0: du kannst doch bei dem nvidia treiber die aufl\u00c3\u00b6sung genau einstellen.\n subz3r0: nein, warum denn?\n subz3r0: wir haben auch noch den hier\n ,insten?\n insten heisst auf deutsch installieren\n michi_: ich kann mich erinnern, das wir es hier nicht geschafft haben die richtigen informationen zu entlocken, weil du genauso ungewillt warst wie jetzt bei der smb.conf\n deem, weil du sonst nicht so reagierst. what ever\n deswegen mein vorschlag \u00c3\u00bcber die smb.conf, weil das eigentlich ne recht einfache und zuverl\u00c3\u00a4ssige sache ist\n subz3r0: tue ich nicht? du kennst mich ja auch, richtig?\n alias CidHighwindonpla sagt danke. Eine Neuinstallation war erfolgreich. Jetzt funktioniert mein XChat wieder.\n k1l, das habe ich versucht. es funktioniert nicht. sa\u00c3\u009f da x-stunden dran gestern nach beim kollegen\n \"nacht\"\n subz3r0: d.h. es liegt an dir und deinem kumpel oder am nvidia-settings?\n k1l, wenn ich das w\u00c3\u00bcsste, w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich wohl das problem beheben. Allerdings weil der kumpel gerade mal max. 5 stunden mit linux umgegangen ist, wohl eher erstere oder letztere... \n subz3r0: also ich kann nur sagen, dass ich bisher bei zig beamern, externen monitoren und verschiedenen modi (twinview, 2. xserver) keine probleme mit dem nvidia treiber hatte.\n Kenn jemand sowas? Manchmal, wenn ich Musik abspiele oder nen Film, dann geht der VLC und auch Totem nach ca. 1 Sekunde aus. Besonders wenn ich eher mehr Programme offen habe. Ich habe nen U 10.10 64bit, Nen 2,3 Dualcoreprozessor und 4GB RAM und ne Swappartition. Was k\u00c3\u00b6nnte das denn sein? In einem solchen Fall musste ich einen Reboot machen, um die Dateien wiederzugeben.\n subz3r0, eine xorg von einem twinview?\n Liegt evtl an seinem beamer. Hab die Aufl\u00c3\u00b6sung auch schon per hand auf die native eingestellt, allerdings fehlt an den r\u00c3\u00a4ndern ringsherum etwas sobald ich die fenster maximiere. \n ja @niemand\n subz3r0, http://pastebin.com/9mVPMdFY\n niemand, thx\n subz3r0, den Beamer hab ich auch :D\n Kumpel hat sich den g\u00c3\u00bcnstig bei ebay oder sonst wo ersteigert. eigentlich nettes teil\n mit macken...\n moin\n hi\n hab meine smb.conf nun folgenderma\u00c3\u009fen ge\u00c3\u00a4ndert: \n http://pastebin.com/xPnC5wQU\n jetzt will nautilus ein passwort haben, ich h\u00c3\u00a4tte meine freigabe in unserem sicheren heimnetz gerne ohne passwort.\n michi_> 'samba without password' sollte doch Treffer ergeben..\n hab jetzt in global noch guest account = nobody reingemacht, jetzt kann nautilus wieder nicht auf meine freigaben drauf...\n ich bin nach dieser anleitung vorgegangen: http://www.vdr-wiki.de/wiki/index.php/Samba#Konfigurationsdatei\n * koegs fragt sich warum mehrmals auf die smb.conf im wiki hingewiesen wurde\n geht das \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt, dass ich meine freigabe in netzwerk in nautilus anzeigen lassen kann?\n testparm zeigt das da an: http://pastebin.com/Mq2PGqxW\n und wo kommt das verzeichnis \u00c3\u00b6ffentlich her? sowas hab ich doch garnicht freigegeben...\n michi_: Ubuntu installiert automatisch den besonderen Ordner \"\u00c3\u0096ffentlich\" (bzw. englisch \"Public\").\n egal, was ich einstelle, nach div. anleitungen, kann ich weder von einem ubuntu rechner im heimnetz, noch von meinem NMT auf die freigabe zugreifen...\n michi_, ist es denn \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt freigegeben? Standardm\u00c3\u00a4\u00c3\u009fig n\u00c3\u00a4mlich nicht.\n ich hab eine smb.conf erstellt, nach anleitungen in verschiedenen mir hier vorgeschlagenen wikis. smbclient -L localhost -U gibt folgendes aus: http://pastebin.com/ruzQTr1M\n was kann ich noch machen, dass das endlich l\u00c3\u00a4uft? bin langsam am verzweifeln...\n michi_: das ist das problem. der samba server hat sich entwickelt. warum haelst du dich nicht an die (sehr gute) dukumentation von samba.org? dort sind viele faelle auch schon mondgerecht portioniert.\n ... wobei ich aufgrund dienes pastes erstmal kein problem sehe.\n das is ja das was mich wahnsinnig macht... anscheinend kein problem, aber ich krieg kein zugriff auf das zeugs...\n oh man, macht allemal schnell RTL 2 an\n das ist eine nutzlose aussage.\n Der Andreas, Messy und Informationselektronieker\n fang mal analytisch zu denken und sage auch, wie du drauf zugreifst und was du als meldung bekommst.\n 44m\u00c2\u00b2 wohnung, komplett mit komputerschrott voll\n dr_evil_: das isnteressiert im support bestimmt niemanden.\n ,ot? dr_evil_\n dr_evil_: Dies ist ein Supportchannel! Fuer Offtopic- und Stammtischgespraeche bitte #ubuntu-de-offtopic nutzen. Danke! ;) [offtopic]\n oops, falscher channel\n michi_: du kennst 'net use'?\n is das die freigabe von ubuntu in nautilus?\n warum war ich nochmal hier? achja, ich hab das problem das kaffeine auf dem zweiten monitor nur im linken drittel video abspielt. kann mir jemand helfen?\n hmmm ... 'net' ist de rbefehl von windows um auf verscheidene ressourccen im netzwert zuzugreifen. mittels 'net use ...' kannst du unter anderem direkt ein netzlaufwerk einbinden.\n dr_evil_: schau in die doku dienes videotreibers. ich vermute es ist ati und du musst das overlaxy anpassen.\n dieses gnome user share oder wie das hei\u00c3\u009ft, damit funktioniert es auch nicht... \n das komische ist, dass es mal lief. erst, als ich ubuntu neu installiert habe, geht nix mehr\n warum willst du mittels gnome user share, oder wie das heisst, das smb protokoll benutzen?\n das gnome user share hab ich ja deaktiviert und wollte es mit smb probieren.\n michi_: wenn du nicht SOFORT aufhoerst sinnlos 'gehtr nicht' zu schrieben, dann werd eich aufhoeren.\n LupusE: danke. das kann man anpassen? wo kann ich denn die doku finden? es ist glaube ich eine ati x300\n ich bekomme einfach keinen zugriff seit der neuinstall von ubuntu\n michi_, Firewall usw passend eingestellt?\n dr_evil_: mindestens auf der verlinken seite auf /usr/share/doc// und/oder der webseite der herstellers.\n ok, ich guck mal, danke\n hat ubuntu eine firewall drin? hab jedenfalls noch nie eine benutzt. nur die im router, und da muss ich doch nix f\u00c3\u00bcr samba einstellen, hab es jedenfalls noch nie gemacht. und auch sonst nix verstellt...\n dr_evil_: wenn du die atoi-config genutzt hast, dann /etc/X11/xorg.conf loeschen und von vorne beginnen, manuell!\n in der log.nmbd steht als letzter eintrag Unable to sync browse lists in this workgroup. drin\n LupusE: das ist schon so lange kaputt, ich weiss es nicht. glaube ich habe genommen was auch immer genome da eingebaut hat\n dr_evil_: schau dir die xorg.conf an. wenn sie scheisse ausschaut, dann wars ati-congig, wenn sie nicht da ist, anlegen nach wiki, wenn sie gut ausschaut ... dennoch versuchen, aber das original speichern.\n LupusE: wie kann ich denn x11 neu starten ohne den rechner neu zu starten, fr\u00c3\u00bcher ging da irgendwas zusammen mit backspace, aber ich glaub das funktionierte nicht\n k\n backspace ist nun k.\n schau in die shortcuts, habs aucxh nicht im kopf\n notfallst abmelden ung im [k|g|x]dm.\n die rechte m\u00c3\u00bcssten auch alle passen, da hab ich nix ver\u00c3\u00a4ndert...\n LupusE: ok danke erstmal, ich probier das morgen mal aus, nerft mich schon lange (rechner steht aber im arbeitszimmer und ist gerade aus)\n dr_evil_: /etc/init.d/gdm restart :>\n bin eben essen\n k\u00c3\u00b6nnte sich eben bitte einer von euch nochmals meine smb.conf angucken, ob da vielleicht irgendwas fehlt, dass ich meine freigabe nicht hinbekomme?\n http://pastebin.com/Pyrxg7QU\n Banshee 2.0.0 > Titeleditor > Sortierung: Wie wirkt es sich aus, wenn man im Feld \"Titelnamen sortieren:\" einen Eintrag vornimmt?\n michi_: Jetzt brauchen wir nur noch eine vollst\u00c3\u00a4ndige Fehlerbeschreibung was genau \"nicht geht\".\n weder mein eigener nautilus kann die freigabe richtig anzeigen, ein ubuntu rechner im heimnetz noch mein NMT...\n .oO( was ist ein NMT? )\n Network Media Tank\n aber sch\u00c3\u00b6n das wieder einige essentielle parameter fehlen\n bzw. falsch sind\n das zeugt davon, dass man sich immer noch keine gedanken gemacht hat, sondern blind copy&paste betreibt\n was f\u00c3\u00bcr parameter fehlen denn noch? ich kenn mich echt nich mit sowas aus, bin es gew\u00c3\u00b6hnt, dass das ganz einfach mit dem grafischen ding in nautilus lief... wie bis nach der neuinstallation...\n jaja, du wiederholst dich\n weil ich grad so nett bin, ich hatte gesagt \"security = user\", \"map to guest = bad user\" und \"public = yes\"\n danke dir, das probier ich gleich mal aus :)\n gn8\n desweiteren empfehle ich im nautilus \"Datei -> Gehe zu Server\" anstatt \u00c3\u00bcber \"Gehe zu -> Netzwerk\" oder links \"Netzwerk\" zu nutzen\n was is daran besser? das auch beim anderen rechner so machen?\n ich \u00c3\u00bcberlasse es dir dazu \u00c3\u00bcberlegungen anzustellen\n public = yes in beide ordner rein? oder alles in global\n ich empfehle \"man smb.conf\"\n hi... ich hab grade etwas sehr merkw\u00c3\u00bcrdiges auf meinem desktop entdeckt.. (Ubuntu 11.04) mit gnome desktop. Da l\u00c3\u00a4uft ein etwa 10 pixel langer und 2 pixel breiter strich \u00c3\u00bcber meinen desktop...\n ich kann damit absolut nix anfang\n die kiste is grad erst neu aufgesetzt\n kannst du einen screenshot erstellen und hochladen?\n ist das ein easteregg? :D oder muss ich mir sorgen machen\n jo\n hab scho screenies gemacht\n ich lads kurz auf mein apache =)\n nach den \u00c3\u00a4nderungen l\u00c3\u00a4sst sich die freigabe bei mir auch \u00c3\u00bcber verbinde mit server nicht einbinden.\n immer die fehlermeldung einh\u00c3\u00a4ngen des windows-speichers fehlgeschlagen\n omfg.. auf dem screenie sieht man das teil nicht.. es bewegt sich aber immer noch \u00c3\u00bcber meinen 2ten bildschirm (auf dem ersten ist nichts derartiges)\n ich mach mir ernsthaft sorgen... \n screamii: klingt nach nem Gewittertierchen.\n gibts viren die sowas machen?\n michi_: wof\u00c3\u00bcr ist das \"force user = guest\"?\n ohne kack das is keine fliege oder sowas..\n das stand in einer der wikis drin.....\n In welcher?\n wie gesagt, copy&paste ohne sinn&verstand...\n in der vdr wiki, nur hab ich statt = vdr guest gemacht, weils bei mir keinen benutzer namens vdr gibt...\n Dort guest zu setzen macht keinerlei Sinn.\n nochmal: man smb.conf\n kann die zeile force user ganz raus?\n mit man smb.conf kann ich nicht wirklich was anfangen...\n kennt sich jemand mit phc aus? bei mir wird keine /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/phc_default_vids erstellt\n screamii, kannst du ein Hardwareproblem ausschlie\u00c3\u009fen?\n auftisch: ist das Modul geladen?\n relativ sicher\n michi_: Das ist die Datei, die Du da dauernd editierst...\n hab mich grade \u00c3\u00bcber gewittertierchen schlau gemacht xD\n acpi_cpufreq ja\n die krabbeln sogar in uhren und bildchirm\n e\n auftisch: n\u00c3\u00b6, das ist das falsche.\n krass.. kanns mir zwar nicht vorstellen, aber das w\u00c3\u00a4r schon ne erkl\u00c3\u00a4rung\n zumal sich das ding immer weniger bewegt\n phc intel.so muss es sein, oder? ne, das is nicht geladen. mh.\n dann muss das viech zwischen beleuchtung und fl\u00c3\u00bcssigkristall sitzen.. gest\u00c3\u00b6rt\n naja ich beobachte das mal^^\n screamii, das w\u00c3\u00a4re hier OffTopic und geh\u00c3\u00b6rt eher nach #ubuntu-de-offtopic\n sry\n genau, den ganzen nachmittag h\u00c3\u00a4ng ich schon an der doofen config dran, und es \u00c3\u00a4ndert sich nix...\n ich hatte wirklich angst vor nem virus.. bin jetzt still\n \"sudo modprobe phc-intel\n FATAL: Error inserting phc_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.38-8-generic-phc/extra/phc-intel.ko): Device or resource busy\"\n hei\u00c3\u009ft das, dass es schon geladen ist? in lsmod wird es nicht angezeigt\n auftisch: Nein, ein anderes ist \"im Weg\". acpi-processor m\u00c3\u00bcsste es sein, wenn ich recht erinnere.\n acpi_cpufreq ist das einzige modul mit acpi im namen, das geladen ist\n rmmod sagt dieses ist \"in use\"\n kann ich das jetz zwanghaft enladen oder muss ich irgendwie das laden beim n\u00c3\u00a4chsten reboot verhindern?\n kannst du auch jetzt. Fragt sich, ob das ist was du willst. Das, was es benutzt, sieht man auch in lsmod.\n ja, ich will es jetzt ausprobieren. funktioniert dann irgendwas nicht mehr? wird von 1 benutzt, steht aber nicht wovon. naja, ich denke das neue modul ersetzt das dann\n Ah. Ich nicht :)\n kl\u00c3\u00a4r mich auf\n ich hab ka was es macht, und ob ich es brauch\n Ist schon l\u00c3\u00a4nger her, dass ich phc verwandte, zumal nicht auf einem Ubuntu, deswegen kann ich hier nichts mit Sicherheit sagen.\n oder wie entlade ich es? \n sdx23: koks. haelt nicht so lange vor, aber wirkt besser als phc ... :P\n sudo modprobe acpi-cpufreq -r -f FATAL: Module acpi_cpufreq is in use. FATAL: Error running remove command for acpi_cpufreq\n auftisch: wie gesagt, ich denke nicht, dass es das ist. Magst du mal lsmod nopasten?\n das steht in log.smbd drin: [2011/08/02 22:08:56.167759, 0] smbd/server.c:500(smbd_open_one_socket)\n smbd_open_once_socket: open_socket_in: Address already in use\n und das in der log f\u00c3\u00bcr meinen rechner: [2011/08/02 22:15:57.833865, 0] smbd/service.c:988(make_connection_snum)\n canonicalize_connect_path failed for service musik, path /media/WD/Musik\n michi_: nopaste mal die Ausgabe von \"lsof -i\" von dem Rechner mit der log.smbd\n ,nopaste? michi_ \n michi_: Nicht selbst geschriebener Text wird im IRC sehr unleserlich und unhandlich. Deshalb sollten mehr als 3 Zeilen immer in einen sogenannten (No)Paste-Service abgelegt werden. Nutze http://paste.pocoo.org [paste]\n sdx23: http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/401877/ - lsmod ausgabe\n http://pastebin.com/1KeQzp46\n auftisch: ok, nach dem was ich gerade zu \u00c3\u00bcberflogen habe, irrte ich mich wohl. Nun, modprobe sollte - im Gegensatz zu rmmod - auch die Abh\u00c3\u00a4ngigen Module entladen, sofern m\u00c3\u00b6glich.\n Habe Ubuntu am TablePC. Wie bekomm ich Touchfunktion an laufen?\n \u00c3\u0084hm.. Tablet-PC (WeTab)\n ok. es hat aber leider dabei gefailt, weswegen ich das modul jetz mal in die blacklist getan hab.\n ich starte also mal neu\n Hi. Kennt sich jemand sehr gut mit WINE aus ?\n ,wine? daphko2011 \n daphko2011, Wine ist http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Wine - Weitere Infos im query ...\n Ja. Hab Wine installiert.\n Will Adobe Flash CS5 installieren\n Ich starte die EXE\n ,appdb? schau da mal rein daphko2011 \n schau da mal rein daphko2011, appdb ist eine Sammlung von Testberichten und Bewertungen fuer Programme unter Wine: http://appdb.winehq.org\n Deine Tastatur ist kaputt.\n Die streut dauernd Return ein.\n meine ?\n Ja, deine.\n vllt liegt es an Emphathy\n Oder am User, der dauernd auf Enter dr\u00c3\u00bcckt ;)\n ne ne ;)\n ja auf jeden fall. entpackt er. jedoch startet dann der Installer nicht mehr. \n Und hast Du in der appdb von wine nachgeschaut?\n daphko2011: lies nochmal, was der bot dir eben geschrieben hat\n ,bot? daphko2011 \n daphko2011: ich bin ein bot ;p\n Was hat er mir geschrieben ?\n och daphko2011 scroll doch mal hoch\n kommt von den vielen \"enter\", da \u00c3\u00bcberliest man mal was\n Ne bei mir sind keine enter\n Bei mir ist alles normal.\n hat funktioniert mit blacklist. hab das modul dann selber nachgeladen und diese datei wird gefunden! danke\n k\u00c3\u00b6nnt ihr aus meiner lsof -i was rauslesen?\n Ja, dass die Ports, die Samba benutzen will, schon belegt sind.\n Kann keiner helfen ?\n ,appdb? daphko2011\n daphko2011, appdb ist eine Sammlung von Testberichten und Bewertungen fuer Programme unter Wine: http://appdb.winehq.org\n daphko2011: Hast Du in der appdb von wine nachgeschaut, wie man Adobe CS5 installier?\n daphko2011: hast du denn mal gelesen, was ich dir vom bot habe geben lassen?\n is das der grund, dass bei mir die freigabe nich will? was kann ich mit den ports anstellen, dass das endlich richtig l\u00c3\u00a4uft?\n Daf\u00c3\u00bcr sorgen, dass Du nicht irgendwelchen Nautiluskram benutzt, sondern einfach nur Samba startest.\n den nautilus benutze ich auch so als dateibrowser...\n Ja, aber du benutzt den auch (auf dem Rechner, auf dem Du Samba starten willst), um irgendwelche Netzwerkverbindungen aufzubauen/freizugeben/wasauchimmer.\n kann ich denn samba ports vorgeben, damit sich da nicht irgendwas gegenseitig st\u00c3\u00b6rt?\n Nein.\n sowas hatte ich noch nie... bisher lief das einfach.... und erst, nachdem ich ubuntu neu drauf gemacht habe (dual boot mit win7 professional von der uni) is das problem da...\n Du hast vorher noch nie Samba konfiguriert. Sagtest Du selbst.\n richtig. nur mit dem grafischen freigabe ding. und auch ne weile mal mit fedora nfs, das lief auch...\n Und das hat alles nichts mit Samba zu tun.\n nautilus hab ich immer unter gnome, bzw. seit ubuntu 11.04 mit unity benutzt...\n w\u00c3\u00a4r das eine m\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit, dieses gnome user share ding zu deinstallieren?\n Ja, und? Es sagt ja niemand, du sollst kein Nautilus mehr benutzen. Nur solltest Du auf dem Rechner, auf dem Du Samba starten willst, nicht irgendwelche Freigaben mit Nautilus bauen.\n mein shutdown von der konsole aus funktioniert nicht. von gnome aus schon. leider werden die letzten meldungen ja nicht geloggt, und obwohl ich mit nosplash gebootet habe, werde auch nicht immer textmeldungen angezeigt.\n Du musst nichts deinstallieren, nur die Freigaben beenden.\n die hab ich schon rausgenommen...\n der rechner bleibt dann an, ich muss ihn hart ausstellen.\n michi_: Und dann hast Du nochmal versucht, Samba zu starten?\n auftisch, nach dem herunterfahren..?\n ich hab andauernd samba neu gestartet...\n michi_: Deine Tastatur ist auch defekt. Die .-Taste prellt schon wieder :)\n ja, so k\u00c3\u00b6nnte man es nennen, vllt l\u00c3\u00a4uft auch noch ein dienst. er hatte in den f\u00c3\u00a4llen, wo manchmal kein splash angezeigt wurde, als letzte meldung was vom modemmanager angezeigt\n den modemmanager hab ich darauf deinstalliert\n michi_: Und nopaste nochmal ein aktuelles lsof -i\n http://pastebin.com/U0jFg7a1\n Wenn ich Kubuntu auf USB stick installieren m\u00c3\u00b6chte.. Mu\u00c3\u009f ich dann von LIVE-CD Bootet und die Interne Festplatte ausbauen? \n bootet=booten\n dreamon: nein\n nein, du installierst es auf den usb-stick und stellst sich das grub auf den stick installiert wird\n *sicher\n k1l, schreibt er grub dann auch auf den Stick?\n wenn du es ihm sagst\n boerni, Kann man das manuell machen? \n dreamon: reicht nicht eine persistente live installation?\n dreamon: Ja. Ja.\n persistente = bitte \u00c3\u00bcbersetzen.\n \"dauerhafte\".\n http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Live-USB_-_persistente_Installation dreamon \n Kann mir jemand erkl\u00c3\u00a4ren was ein 'zur\u00c3\u00bcckgehaltenes Paket' in Apitude zu bedeuten hat? Nach meinem Verst\u00c3\u00a4ndnis kann ein Paket nur zwei Zust\u00c3\u00a4nde haben: installiert oder nicht installiert\n Aber zur\u00c3\u00bcckgehalten? Klingt so, als h\u00c3\u00a4tte ich ein Paket zum installieren markiert, es aber noch nicht installiert. Aber ich habe keine Pakete markiert.\n Auweh.. Ich will Kubuntu auf den Stick installieren, diesen ins WeTab stecken und damit laufen lassen. Live-Stick geht. Jetzt will ichs nur eben das ich damit normal arbeiten kann, normal auf den Stick installieren.\n dreamon: Boote deinen normalen Rechner mit dem Stick, installiere was Du willst, und gut :) Das ganze halt als \"persistente Live-USB-Installation\".\n dreamon: dann lies doch bitte mal, was eine persistente installation ist.\n sieht die lsof -i besser aus als die von vorhin?\n k1l, Das mu\u00c3\u009f ich morgen machen, da das nicht mehr in die birne geht .. \n dreamon: gut, dann bis morgen\n michi_: N\u00c3\u00b6.\n bekks, Aber dann kommt doch trotzdem das Menu von dem Livesystem ..(Testen oder installieren.. wird da doch immer angefragt) au\u00c3\u009ferdem hab ich keinen Benutzer angelegt.\n dreamon: Dann lies den Artikel und mach das halt :)\n mr_daniel: hier ists erkl\u00c3\u00a4rt: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/apt-get#Aktualisierung-durchfuehren\n Ok, gute N8.. Bin ab Freitag 2Wochen im Urlaub.. da habt Ihr Ruhe vor meinen Fragen ;) -> Gute N8 M\u00c3\u00a4nner\n n8 dreamon \n hallo\n belegt denn nautilus irgendwelche ports, die samba auch haben will, und dann geht deswegen nix?\n bei mir leuft vuze als java zombie, wie kann ich des killen ? wenn ich in der systemueberwachung bei ubuntu den prozess abwuerge und beende, wirkt nix\n ps aux | grep java\n Dann die PID raussuchen, und kill -9 PID\n noe bringt nuescht :/\n die freigaben in nautilus sind auf jeden fall alle weg...\n bekks: ^^\n alxxor: wenns nen ordentlicher zombo ist bringt nur neustarten was\n Was man mit ps aux | grep java auch sieht :)\n du kannst versuchen das parent killen, aber nen zombie tut nicht weh\n yo hilft nur neustart, sagten die im gulli mir au\n n\u00c3\u00b6\n lass den zombie zombie sein\n tut ja nicht weh\n es belegt halt die ports\n das halte ich f\u00c3\u00bcrn ger\u00c3\u00bccht\n sagt mir vuze\n dann redet das mist wenn du mich fragst\n naja ich geh eh penn glei, vll. schalt ichn rechner au ab\n aber thx fuer eure hilfe :)\n moinmoin\n w\u00c3\u00a4re nfs vielleicht besser als samba?\n Mit Windows kannst Du nicht darauf zugreifen.\n das is auch nicht vorgesehen...\n mein nmt hat sowas wie linux drauf...\n Deine Tastatur ist schon wieder kaputt. Da kommen soviele Punkte.\n Was ist ein \"nmt\"?\n k1l: danke f\u00c3\u00bcr den Link bzgl. zur\u00c3\u00bcckgehaltenen Paketen\n syabas popcorn hour a 200\n Was m\u00c3\u00b6chtest Du uns sagen? :)\n nmt steht f\u00c3\u00bcr networked media tank\n Aha.\n Nennt man \"NAS\".\n die poppi hat auch ne nas funktion.\n Weisst Du was ein NAS ist? :)\n nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich\n sowas hab ich vor, mir zuzulegen, wenn ich bisschen geld \u00c3\u00bcbrig habe.\n Aha, und was ist ein NAS? :)\n netzwerkspeicher\n Dein \"Media Tank\" ist im \u00c3\u00bcbrigen ein stumpfer digitaler Receiver mit ein bisschen Speicherplatz.\n kein reciever. ein netzwerkstreamer. hab da ne 1 tb platte eingebaut.\n ist nfs auf ubuntu einfacher einzurichten als samba? \n ,nfs? michi_ \n michi_, NFS ist http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/NFS - Weitere Infos im query ...\n F\u00c3\u00bcr so manchen hier ist Samba auch nur eine Sache von max. 3 Minuten - ich glaube wir k\u00c3\u00b6nnen da keine verl\u00c3\u00a4sslichen Aussagen zu \"ist einfacher oder nicht\" abgeben.\n das komische ist ja, dass samba eigentlich l\u00c3\u00a4uft, nur eben immer von irgendwas blockiert wird.\n Ich sagte Dir auch von was genau das blockiert wird.\n Hier funktioniert Samba zB einwandfrei - es liegt also nicht an Samba.\n was st\u00c3\u00b6rt denn mein samba? vor der neu installation lief ja alles, wenn auch nur \u00c3\u00bcber das grafik ding. und ich hab nix anders eingestellt.\n Ich sagte Dir, was dein Samba st\u00c3\u00b6rt.\n aber ich hab doch die anderen freigaben rausgenommen. trotzdem gehts nicht.\n mehrfach samba neu gestartet, was auch nix bringt...\n das nervt ganz besonders, weil es mal einwandfrei lief.\n wenn nfs richtig laufen sollte, wie lie\u00c3\u009fe sich samba dann deaktivieren?\n deinstallieren\n aber nicht \"vollst\u00c3\u00a4ndig entfernen\" oder \"purge\"\n das l\u00c3\u00b6scht die konfigurationen mit\n nfs hatte ich mal ne ganze weile auf fedora laufen. auf ubuntu geht das irgendwie anders.\n michi_ was heisst den samba geht nicht genau? vielleicht hast ja ne firewall installiert oder so die das blockt\n ich hab keine firewall installiert. ganz normale ubuntu standard installation mit den restricted-extras und medibuntu wegen libdvdcss\n passt die zeile f\u00c3\u00bcr meine exports?\n /media/WD/Filme 192.168.178.26(ro,async) 192.168.178.23(ro,async) \n --> http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/NFS\n nach der bin ich vorgegangen. wenn ich nfs starte kommt folgendes: \n http://pastebin.com/3nZrxPtH\n is denn das?\n oh\n michi_> zugriff hast du auf den nfs server? die fehlermeldung im obrigen log, hast du die gel\u00c3\u00b6st?\n nfs funzt\n die eine ip musste raus, und vom nmt aus kann ich zugreifen, funzt wunderbar :)\n sch\u00c3\u00b6n\n :)\n auch fullhd filme werden sauber und ruckelfrei gestreamt. mein rechner h\u00c3\u00a4ngt \u00c3\u00bcber wlan am router. bei samba, bzw. die gnome freigabe, da haben die fullhd filme geruckelt\n wird nfs bei systemstart automatisch mitgestartet?\n#ubuntu-de 2011-08-03\n michi_> \"samba\" l\u00c3\u00a4sst sich noch sehr anpassen.. auch das dateisystem spielt eine rolle.. usw.\n michi_> ich \"denke\" ja.. \n das komische is halt, dass seit der neuinstall weder samba noch das gnome ding richtig funzt. irgendwas scheint da die freigabe zu blockieren.\n wenn die ausgabe showmount --exports die beiden verzeichnisse anzeigt, hei\u00c3\u009ft das, dass nfs l\u00c3\u00a4uft?\n hi\n hey ist noch jemand wach?^^\n darauf antwortet keiner (au\u00c3\u009fer ich, aber ich helf heut nich mehr)\n '~$ sudo lsof /media/WD1.5_1/Music; lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon file system /home/detlef/.gvfs; Output information may be incomplete.\" Wie werde ich diese Warnung los?\n kein sudo nehmen\n 2> /dev/null\n sash_: Warum soll ich kein sudo nehmen?\n Weil du mit sudo nicht in deinem .gvfs lesen darfst.\n sash_: notiert. -- afk\n man\n frau\n hallo alle, gibt es hier jemmand der erfahrung mit bluetooth uner linux/ubuntu hat\n Bestimmt.\n ,frag? fishor \n fishor: Einfach drauf los fragen und nicht fragen ob jemand etwas kennt oder man fragen darf (oder ob jemand da ist).\n ich kriege es noch nicht hin, nicht mal file \u00c3\u00bcbertragung\n ,wf? fishor \n fishor: Um moeglichst gute Hilfe zu bekommen, nenne bitte folgendes beim Fragen: Was funktioniert nicht. Seit wann bzw. welchem Ereignis ist das so. Welche Programm-/Ubuntuversionen sind verwendet. Gibt es Fehlermeldungen. Wenn ja bitte in einen Nopaste(siehe Topic).\n also ich hab hir schon ganze reie von bluetooth gereten gesammelt... \n um zu mindestenz etwas zum laufen zu kreigen. mein erster test mit \"obexpushd -B -d\"\n ,bluetooth? fishor \n fishor, Bluetooth ist http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Bluetooth\n wenn ich versuche, etwas von andere pc zu \u00c3\u00bcbertragen. \"obexftp -b 00:15:83:42:3B:19 -B 9 -p 0001-d\" kriege ich keine meldung auf dem server\n also ich hab schon semtliche wikis durch\n vielleicht jemmand hat mehr erfahrung mit problembehebung\n Da wir keinerlei Fehlermeldungen (wie gefordert) bekommen, keinerlei weitere Infos (ebenfalls wie gefordert), und nicht mal wissen, um was f\u00c3\u00bcr ein System es sich handelt - nein, wei\u00c3\u009f keiner. :)\n +bekommen.\n wenn ich versuche etwas von mei android auf pc zu schicken ich kriege http://pastebin.com/L6N99t90\n ich hab drei ssteme netbook(ubuntu11.04), pc(ubuntu11.10). phone(android2.3)\n wenn ich versuche etwas von android auf pc oder netbook zu schicken dann kriege ich der obengeschickte log\n im dmesg, on netbook kriege ich \"hci_acldata_packet: hci0 ACL packet for unknown connection handle 11\"\n auf dem pc kriege ich \"btusb_intr_complete: hci0 urb eff45b00 failed to resubmit (19)\"\n ich bin deshalb so hillf los das gar nix funktioniert, damit ich kann funktionierende system als beispiel haben\n hi, erinnerer mich gerade nicht daran, wie dieses zeitmanagement-tool mit dem schaf heisst...\n Sicher, dass es kein Hamster war? Dann w\u00c3\u00a4r es http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Hamster\n kennt zwar keines mit einem schaf, aber mit einem hamster\n wei\u00c3\u009f jemand wie dieses programm heisst mit dem schaf?\n Sicher, dass es kein Hamster war? Dann w\u00c3\u00a4r es http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Hamster\n ja, ganz sicher. das programm das ich meine hat eher arbeitsintervalle vorgegeben und einen daran erinnert, dass man pausen machen soll. hamster sieht zwar ganz nett aus, aber die funktion erf\u00c3\u00bcllt mein smartphone os-\u00c3\u00bcbergreifend. ;)\n guten Tag! ich war am freitag schon einmal hier und da hat man mir geraten fail2ban f\u00c3\u00bcr einen ubuntu server zu installieren nun habe ich noch eine frage dazu: kann ich mit dem fail2ban auch permanente bans verteilen (manuell reicht mir ersteinmal)? \n Sawas macht man f\u00c3\u00bcr gew\u00c3\u00b6hnlich mit iptables.\n koav: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/iptables2\n thx -> koav @ lesen :-)\n Wobei eventuell auch hosts.deny eine M\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit ist.\n womit wir wieder bei dem tool, denyhosts w\u00c3\u00a4ren :D\n hrhr ach ich wollte mich eh in iptables einarbeiten ;)\n es m\u00c3\u00bcsste also wenn ich dem wiki folge \"iptables -s XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX DROP\" reichen? das klingt so simpel...\n o_O\n koav: Nee, so einfach ist das nicht. :)\n wusste ich es doch\n koav: iptables -A (kette w\u00c3\u00a4re zb INPUT f\u00c3\u00bcr alle ankommenden anfragen) (-A h\u00c3\u00a4ngt die regeln an die kette an -I f\u00c3\u00bcgt sie als oberstes ein) -s -j \n deem: also: \"iptables -A INPUT -s DROP\" ist aber richtig oder?\n Nein.\n MAn sagte Dir gerade, was richtig w\u00c3\u00a4re.\n oh j vergessen\n sry\n merkt sich ip tables das oder muss ich das noch in eine conf schreiben?\n Das steht ganz sicher in dem Artikel oben.\n [natty] ich hab einen usb-stick mit der Laufwerksverwaltung mit ext4 und verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselt eingerichtet. wie is der denn nun aber verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselt und wie mounte ich den am besten automatisch nach login (oder beim boot)? fstab? wenn ja, was trag ich da ein?\n ,verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselung? dAnjou \n Sorry bekks, ich weiss nichts ueber verschluesselung, ich assoziiere aber bcrypt, GnuPG, GPA, jGnash, OpenVPN, WLAN wpa_supplicant und Zfone damit\n Sowas :)\n wie gesagt, es gibt ja mehrere methoden/verfahren(?), aber die laufwerksverwaltung sagt nich welche es nu genommen hat.\n tach, ich hab hier fujitsu siemens, der kann als alternativ boot, zum instalieren, nur network-boot, was will ich da lesen und so, damit das klapt?\n ,installation? Fussel \n Fussel, Installation ist http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Installation\n in der kategorie gibts auch was zu pxe boot etc\n fein, dankesch\u00c3\u00b6n k1l :)\n hallo ich versuche seit 2 stunden ubuntu \u00c3\u00bcbern usbstick zu installieren aber beim booten bleibt der screen schwarz mit nem wei\u00c3\u009fen unterstrich der oben links blinkt\n was soll ich machen?\n Einen bootf\u00c3\u00a4higen USB Stick erstellen.\n hab ich\n Offensichtlich booted der aber nicht.\n ja aber auch nur wenn bei ubuntu\n archlinux erkennt er\n klex, defekte ubuntu iso?\n 4 mal neu geladen\n Und jedesmal die Checksumme verglichen?\n ja\n und einmal hab ich es direkt \u00c3\u00bcber unetbootin geladen und aufn stick gepackt\n hat auch nichts gebracht\n Und welches Ubuntu versuchst Du da zu installieren?\n 11.04\n amd64\n Und dein System kann auch 64Bit?\n ja\n \"Password (exactly 8 characters):\" ist \"Passwort (exakt 8 Zeichen):\" eine gute \u00c3\u009cbersetzung? (Ich bin nicht Deutch)\n oder \"exakt\" -> \"genau\"?\n Zusammenhang mit Ubuntu?\n exakt ist ein Fremdwort und bedeutet \"genau\" :P\n Nicht zusammenhang mit Ubuntu, aber es ist f\u00c3\u00bcr ein \"open source\" Applikation.\n Vielen Dank.\n geirha: n\u00c3\u00a4chstes mal bitte sowas im offtopic channel fragen. daf\u00c3\u00bcr haben wir ihn :)\n geirha: \"Passwort (exakt 8 Zeichen):\" ist eine gute \u00c3\u009cbersetzung.\n geirha: \"Passwort (genau 8 Zeichen):\" ist auch eine gute \u00c3\u009cbersetzung.\n k1l: Ah, #ubuntu-de-offtopic. Ich werde mich erinnern.\n vielen dank f\u00c3\u00bcr eure hilfe...mal schauen ob das ganze nun funktioniert\n bullgard4_: Danke :)\n kann mir hier keiner helfen? =(\n klex: wie lange hast du gewartet bei dem weissen utnerstrich?\n dann: siehst du das live-cd auswahlmen\u00c3\u00bc? oder direkt nur die schwarze seite?\n klex: welche hardware hast du da?\n sch\u00c3\u00a4tze 4min\n ehm...ne direkt die schwarze seite\n welche hardware\n die Temperatur meiner CPU in ubuntu ist 64\u00c2\u00b0C, in windows 50-55\u00c2\u00b0C. Warum und wie krieg ich sie in ubuntu runter?\n was willst du da genau h\u00c3\u00b6hren?\n auftisch: Welche Rolle spielen die 10 Grad denn?\n klex: ist das nen laptop? welche graka ist da drin?\n nimmt ubuntu andere einstellungen vor? an der voltzahl f\u00c3\u00bcr die cpu kann es ja nicht liegen\n auftisch: Ubuntu nimmt andere Einstellungen vor, ja. Und die Temperatur ist vollkommen im gr\u00c3\u00bcnen Bereich.\n ab 50\u00c2\u00b0C wird der L\u00c3\u00bcfter extrem leise. ja, notebook mit externer ATI Radeon Mobility HD 4330\n wie lauten diese Einstellungen? also der Name daf\u00c3\u00bcr, damit ich die runterregeln kann?\n hab schon untervolting probiert, aber das kann die cpu nicht\n aso ja habs auf 2 notebooks getestet 1. Ati Mobility Radeon 4650 und 2.Intel\u00c2\u00ae HD 3000 Grafik\n auf beiden lief schon archlinux ohne probleme\n auftisch: siehe KMS Power Management Options auf http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/RadeonFeature\n ok, das is aber nur f\u00c3\u00bcr graka? weil ich ja die cpu meine. hab nur f\u00c3\u00a4lscherlicherweise f\u00c3\u00bcr klex genantwortet :)\n hey\u00e2\u0080\u00a6 vielleicht kann mir jemand helfen. Ich hab ne Alfa AWUS051NH und bekomme unter Ubuntu 11.04 Desktop 64bit leider nur eine 54Mbit Verbindung hin\u00e2\u0080\u00a6 kann mir jemand beim Debuggen helfen?\n (eine Zweite WLAN-Karte mit Realtek-Chip hat bereits 144mbit\n Was ist eine \"Alfa AWUS051NH\"?\n am AP liegts also nicht\n WLAN-Karte\n Und welcher Chipsatz ist da drin?\n ralink rt2860\n rt2860 tuts super. Treiber sind in Staging. L\u00c3\u00a4uft.\n sash_: Bei mir gehts leider nicht\n KAnn der rt2860 \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt mehr als 54MBit/s?\n Ich hab auch schon compat-wireless installiert\n Das wiederum, f\u00c3\u00a4llt mir grad ein, kann sein, dass der lahm ist.\n Der m\u00c3\u00bcsste aber n k\u00c3\u00b6nnen.\n Im Wiki steht, der kann nicht mehr.\n Wie kriege ich den genauen Chipsatz raus?\n dmesg angucken?\n rt2870sta\n also rt2870\n Interessant\u00e2\u0080\u00a6 also ich hab schon viele Versuche geamcht\n Ich hab compat-wireless verwendet, dann habe ich den Original-Treiber von der Homepage verwendet\u00e2\u0080\u00a6 nix hat geholfen\n Hat jemand noch ne Idee?\n http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1476007\n Das ist ein Link zu einer \"L\u00c3\u00b6sung\"\n sieht mir aber sehr Laienhaft aus...\n Die hab ich durchprobiert, hat aber nix geholfen\n hum irgendwo im iptables hab ich einen fehler gemacht und wei\u00c3\u009f nun nicht wo :-( ich bekomme von den gesperrten IP's noch immer logeintr\u00c3\u00a4ge in auth.log. \n koav: iptables --list w\u00c3\u00a4re interessant.\n wenn ich ins --list schaue sieht es eigendlich gut aus \"DROP all -- anywhere\"\n war schon am schreiben\n Log-Eintr\u00c3\u00a4ge von iptables (LOG-Regeln) oder von der Anwendung?\n tach zusammen\n Failed password for invalid user test from port 36979 ssh2\n pam_unix(sshd:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=\n usw\n also von der Anwendung selber, d.h. deine Regeln lassen Pakete durch, die du eigentlich geDROPed haben wolltest\n ohne die Regeln zu sehen, wird es schwer dir zu helfen\n iptables -A INPUT -s -j DROP <-- damit hab ich es versucht zu stoppen\n iptables -L -vnx\n 0 0 DROP all -- * * 0.0.0.0/0 \n koav: -A (append) h\u00c3\u00a4ngt deine Regel hinten dran. Wenn du nun eine Regel hast, die matcht und ein ACCEPT hat, dann hilft dein DROP nichts\n geser: das k\u00c3\u00b6nnte sein\n sekunde\n also sollte ich die regel lieber oben anf\u00c3\u00bcgen und das A durch ein I tauschen\n ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde sagen ja\n bekomme ich jetzt meine erstellten regeln mit \"iptables -D INPUT -s \" wieder raus oder l\u00c3\u00b6scht das alle regeln\n koav: sollte nur die Regeln l\u00c3\u00b6schen, die passen. Alternativ \u00c3\u00bcber die Nummer der Regel l\u00c3\u00b6schen\n da steht nur keine nummer dran. fangen die bei 0 oder bei 1 an zu z\u00c3\u00a4hlen?\n koav: bei 1 (siehe manpage)\n oh danke - da steht ja auch nen parameter zum anzeigen\n hi, habe smbldap-tools installiert und konfiguriert. wenn ich nun aber einen user adde dann wird diesem die falsche domain zugewiesen. ich habe allerdings keine ahnung woher smbldap-tools ueberhaupt die 2. domain haben. ich hab noch einen backup domain controller, diesen hab ich genannt wie die ominoese 2. domain. woher aber nimmt smbldap-tools diesen namen?\n Tach auch.... Wei\u00c3\u009f jemand, wieso ich kein panel obj auf meinem 2. xserver anlegen kann? das obj crasht sofort und ich soll neuladen oder es sein lassen, fragt er mich. gnome kann doch multihead!?!\n ist das eigendlich normal das er bei einer bestimmten IP immer l\u00c3\u00a4nger braucht um den spa\u00c3\u009f zu laden? er h\u00c3\u00a4ngt immer bei der gleichen ip bei iptables -L\n Welchen Spass wie zu laden?\n hallo :) kurze frage: will unter \"rechner\" bzw unter orte den eintrag \"diskettenlaufwerk\" wegkriegen, weil der mich st\u00c3\u00b6rt. hab auch schon die zeile mit dev/fd0 aus der fstab gel\u00c3\u00b6scht, aber nach neustart ist \"diskettenlaufwerk\" noch da.. wie krieg ich das weg? hab keins eingebaut..\n phnord: Hast Du nach meldungen im Xorg-Log geschaut?\n bullgard4, nix interessantes drin\n bekks: wenn ich iptables -L eingebe dann fliegt der text durch bis zu einer bestimmten zeile - vorhin war es 43. jetzt hab ich die zeile nach oben verschoben (5) und nun brauch er bei der 5. zeile lange\n dann dauert es 2-3 sekunden und dann gehts weiter\n koav: Ich habe nicht umsonst \"n\" bei \"-vnx\" genannt :)\n bekks: okay also ist es wohl normal\n Wenn der Name halt l\u00c3\u00a4nger braucht um aufgel\u00c3\u00b6st zu werden - ja.\n hab mich nur gewundert weil es nur die eine zeile ist ;)\n grrr\n koav: iptables -L versucht eine DNS-Aufl\u00c3\u00b6sung der IPs wenn du kein -n mitgibst\n vielen dank euch\n ich glaube jetzt funktioniert es\n hi\n nun hat er die ersten pakete gedropt und meine dienste darauf scheinen noch zu laufen...vielen dank :-) - zum gl\u00c3\u00bcck ist bald montag dann bin ich die kiste los :-)\n also, sind gnome anwesend? warum kann ich keinem panel auf meinem 2. xserver kein panel obj. hinzuf\u00c3\u00bcgen? nach dem adden crasht das obj unweigerlich\n bitte?\n ,wf? phnord \n phnord: Um moeglichst gute Hilfe zu bekommen, nenne bitte folgendes beim Fragen: Was funktioniert nicht. Seit wann bzw. welchem Ereignis ist das so. Welche Programm-/Ubuntuversionen sind verwendet. Gibt es Fehlermeldungen. Wenn ja bitte in einen Nopaste(siehe Topic).\n omfg\n die frage ist doch klar\n Neee, die ist alles andere als klar.\n unter lucid mit nvidia-current grade getestet und es funktioniert.\n Ich hab 2 xserver, und ich kann aufm 2. xserver auf keinem gnome panel kein obj adden.\n ubuntu 11.04\n amd64\n w\u00c3\u00a4re ja auch ubnlogisch keinem panel kein objekt zu adden oder?\n phnord: da kannst du omfg'en wie du willst. du wurdest nach mehr infos und logs bzw fehlermeldungen gefragt. wenn du die nicht lieferst kann man nur raten.\n wenn du allerdings einem panel oder einigen panels keine objekte hinzuf\u00c3\u00bcgen k\u00c3\u00b6nntest. das w\u00c3\u00a4re ein problem\n Dann verrate mir doch bitte, wo ich n Log herkriege :) Oder sag mir einfach, wie die anwendungen f\u00c3\u00bcr das panel hei\u00c3\u009fen, dann kann ich die inner konsole ausf\u00c3\u00bchren\n deem: na das sag ich doch\n aah moment\n phnord: hst du nicht, denn sonst h\u00c3\u00a4ttest du des gesagt :P\n phnord: unter /var/log/ z.b. oder im home die .xsession-errors\n k1l, thx\n und dann bitte in einen nopaste-service\n brb\n \"** (gnome-panel:10274): WARNING **: Vorgang wurde abgebrochen\"... das einzige, was da steht\n \"da\" ist keine exakte Beschreibung.\n Moin: Network-manager Problem (frisches Natty 64bit) hier: Eine \"manual\" Verbindung (feste IP) l\u00c3\u00a4sst sich nicht speichern. Habs jetzt mittels interfaces und resolv.conf h\u00c3\u00a4ndisch hingebogen, aber wieso tut der NM nicht?\n Nutzer habe ich zu gruppe netdev noch hinzugef\u00c3\u00bcgt (keine Besserung).\n Moin!\n Kann ich einen Drucker per Cups oder Samba so Freigeben, dass sogut wie jedes Windowssystem damit direkt zurecht kommt?\n Ab XP sollte Cups gut gehen\n Wenn es damit Probleme gibt http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Windows_Netzwerkdrucker\n jemand ahnung von samba + ldap ? :) hab da eine kuriositaet... ich adde mit smbldap-useradd -a %U einen user, soweit so gut. wenn ich aber an einem anderen rechner (ldap slave, backup domain controller) pdbedit -v user mache, zeigt er mit den user zur falschen domain zugeordnet an. zeitgleich added er im ldap einen 2. domain mit dem namen des backup domain controllers. smbldap-tools sind korrekt konfiguriert, und smb.conf, h\n offentlich, auch :)\n boah.. es hat jetzt gef\u00c3\u00bchlte 12 stunden gedauert, aber mein ad query ist endlich funktionable und tut was ich will :D\n \\o/\n powershell ist echt ein krampf\n geht so\n eigentlich ganz geil\n OT bitte nach dr\u00c3\u00bcben\n ups. :D\n guten tag\n kann man beim postifxserver den . f\u00c3\u00bcr die unterordner in ein / umstellen?\n bye bye alle\n Bei `locale -a` kommen nur utf-8 locales raus, aber keine iso-* locales. diese br\u00c4\u0082\u00c2\u00a4uchte ich aber. wie komme ich an die ran? find per apt keine.\n freq9: dpkg-reconfigure locales\n maredebianum: naja, wenn keine iso-* locales da sind, dann sollte das auch nichts bringen\n maredebianum: die ausgabe beinhaltet jedenfalls nur utf8 locales\n freq9, man locale-gen\n dadrc: worauf soll ich da achten?\n ah :)\n Der-Sebo: wie meinen?\n freq9, wie du damit die locale mit iso-nochwas erstellen kannst =)\n dadrc: ich hatte gedacht, dass ich `locale-gen en_US.iso88591` machen muss, damit ich die iso-* locale f\u00c4\u0082\u00c5\u00bar en_US bekomme :)\n dem war aber nicht so\n freq9, hast du das mit sudo ausgef\u00c3\u00bchrt?\n hallo liebe community.. war vorhin schonmal da, aber da war sehr viel los..\n greengecko: Was aber doch nicht schlecht ist\u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n wollte mal fragen, wie man das diskettenlaufwerk unter \"rechner\" gel\u00c3\u00b6scht kriegt.. find nix beim googlen. zeile mit /dv/fd0 is schon aus der fstab gel\u00c3\u00b6scht und eingebaut is auch kein diskettenlaufwerk\n jokrebel: ne mein nur, da hat mich wohl keiner bemerkt :)\n ach jetz wirds mir klar..\n ich muss die datei /dev/fd0 noch l\u00c3\u00b6schen dann sollte es weg sein oder?\n besteht gefahr wenn ich die l\u00c3\u00b6sche?\n greengecko: Da ich hier nur Rechner habe die noch ein Floppy besitzen m\u00c3\u00b6chte ich da nicht f\u00c3\u00bcr Dich experimentieren. So als Schnellschu\u00c3\u009f mal ein (noch nicht gesichteter) Link: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-286155.html\n jokrebel: danke, aber der link geht net..\n krieg ich ne blanke wei\u00c3\u009fe seite\n dadrc: gute frage :) hab die konsole aber nicht mehr offen\n freq9, ich glaub \u00c3\u00bcbrigens, es m\u00c3\u00bcsste en_US.ISO-8859-1 hei\u00c3\u009fen\n freq9, und mit sudo.\n greengecko: vielleicht hier was hilfreiches? http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/diskette#Problemloesungen \n aber die floppy wird ja von /dev/fd0 aus gemountet.. also ich meine nur, ob die datei noch irgendne rolle f\u00c3\u00bcrs system spielt oder ob ubuntu das egal ist, wenn die weg is\n greengecko: Und warum muss das unbedingt weg?\n dadrc: `locale -a` liefert nun \"en_US.iso88591\"\n naja, es st\u00c3\u00b6rt mich halt\n freq9, na denn =)\n und wenn ich son problem hab muss ich immer versuchen, das zu l\u00c3\u00b6sen.. :) immerhin lern ich so gleich bissel was \u00c3\u00bcber disketten unter ubuntu/linux\n greengecko: du selbst kannst die ger\u00c3\u00a4te fd0 getrost l\u00c3\u00b6schen, wenn du kein Floppy willst/brauchst/bekommst\n ok gut, danke\n besitze garkein laufwerk, daher..\n greengecko: Probiers aus. Ich \u00c3\u00bcbernehm nicht die Verantwortung wenn Du neu aufsetzen musst nur weil Du ein Icon das sowieso nicht funktioniert weghaben willst weil es \"Dich st\u00c3\u00b6rt\".\n jokrebel: deswegen wollte ich ja fragen, ob das noch gebraucht wird ;) aber anarchomarx hat ja grad gesagt, dass ich die getrost l\u00c3\u00b6schen kann\n greengecko: Na ich hoff einfach mal dass er da recht hat\u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n iwie bin ich mir gerade nicht im klaren warum es nicht reicht, die fstab entsprechend auszukommentieren\n weil das icon dabei nicht verschwindet (wei\u00c3\u009f gott warum..)\n gnome?\n jap\n Hallo Leute! Ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte gern meine 10.04 Ubuntu Netbook Edition auf 11.04 aktualisieren. Laut dieser Seite geht das mit der ganz normalen 11.04 Desktop CD: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Natty_Narwhal#Ubuntu-Netbook-Edition aber ich bekomme dann nur die Auswahl zwischen Ubuntu 10.04.3 l\u00c3\u00b6schen oder Alles l\u00c3\u00b6schen oder Etwas anderes, aber nicht Von 10.04 auf 11.04 aktualisieren, wie hier im zweiten Screenshot: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de\n gibts da nicht iwo eine einstellung, welche ger\u00c3\u00a4te auf dem desktop angezeigt werden sollen?\n anarchomarx: ich geh kurz neustarten, dann mal sehen, obs verschwindet :) meld mich nochmal\n hab die fd0 grad gel\u00c3\u00b6scht\n ok\n Die gibt es in der Tat. gconf. Und das Device d\u00c3\u00bcrfte nach dem Neustart wieder da sein...\n Kebap: Du hast wahrscheinlich etwas falsch verstanden.\n hm, diese voreiligen Leute, tja.\n Kebap: du musst von 10.04 \u00c3\u00bcber 10.10 auf 12.04 gehen\n *11.04\n Kebap: Eine Aktualisierung ohne schnellesn Internetanschlu\u00c3\u009f ist ein Krampf.\n \"iwo\" ^^\n sdx23: er kommt ja gleich wieder\n Hm.. Ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte gerne meine Einstellungen, Programme, usw behalten und nicht alles neu installieren\n Wieso ist es ein Krampf bullgard4_ ?\n Kebap: Wenn Du mit jemandem Bestimmtes redest in diesem Kanal, dann schreibe bitte an den Anfang Deiner Mitteilungen den Nick des Adressaten.\n wieder da. funzt alles noch, aber das ding ist unter \"rechner\" und orte (panel) immernoch zu sehen o.O\n Kebap: Krampf, weil auf eine CD nicht das gesamte Betriebssystem pa\u00c3\u009ft.\n greengecko, k\u00c3\u00b6nnte wohl eine udev-regel f\u00c3\u00bcr verantwortlich sein\n kann ich irgendwie nautilus updaten? (so wie man das bei grub macht beiner neuen bootoption)\n ah, danke f\u00c3\u00bcr den hinweis\n wo werden die denn gespeichert?\n sdx23: ^^ sag bitte greengecko das mit der gconf\n greengecko: und wenn du nachsiehst, wirst du auch /dev/fd* wieder sehen. Und iirc. ist das eine - mehr oder weniger - reine Gnome-Einstellung, f\u00c3\u00bcr welches Devices ein Symbol angezeigt wird, in der gconf zu \u00c3\u00a4ndern.\n Kebap: du kannst einfach mit einem internetanschluss von 10.04 auf 10.10 und dann 11.04 gehen- einstellungen bleiben erhalten (backups schaden nicht!)\n moment\n ok, sorry war kurz weg\n wo kann ich das in der gconf denn \u00c3\u00a4ndern?\n hi\n greengecko: apps nautilus desktop *\n was meinst du? meinst du das diskettenlaufwerk ist als ger\u00c3\u00a4t unter ~/.gconf/apps/nautilus/desktop gespeichert oder wie?\n greengecko: Nein. gconf ist zu bearbeiten mit dem gconf-editor\n bullgard4_: wieso ausgerechnet am Anfang? is zwar standard practice, aber im Normalfall solltest du n Highlight haben, egal an welcher Stelle der Zeile dein Nick steht\n ok.. ich schau mal, ob ich rausfind, wie das geht, sons frag ich nochmal ;) danke sdx23\n greengecko: Einfach so aufrufen, man k\u00c3\u00b6nnte sagen, dieses (Mistkonzept) ist der Windows-Registry \u00c3\u00a4hnlich.\n ok. das hei\u00c3\u009ft in gconf werden datenbankenartig eintr\u00c3\u00a4ge gemacht, die dann erst mit dem editor richtig dargestellt werden?\n man das sieht ja echt aus wie regedit o.O\n vermutlich kann man die auch per Hand bearbeiten, irgendwie. Jedenfalls ist der editor empfohlen, oder sonst zumindest gconftool(2)\n man kann, es ist xml. Aber das ist offtopic. \n \u00c3\u00a4hm.. sorry aber unter apps/nautilus/desktop ist nix von floppy zu finden :/\n \"volumes disable\", wird aber nicht sein, was du willst.\n nein das denk ich auch nicht\n entschuldigung ich bin ganz kurz essen, bin gleich zur\u00c3\u00bcck :)\n szal: Manche IRC-Clients reagieren nur auf Nicks am Anfang der Mitteilung. (Ich habe vergessen, welche das waren, und ich wei\u00c3\u009f nicht, ob sie das inzwischen ge\u00c3\u00a4ndert haben.) Au\u00c3\u009ferdem gibt es Clients. die Mitteilungen mit bestimmten Nicks am Anfang anders behandeln als Mitteilungen mit bestimmten Nicks mitten in der Mitteilung.\n bullgard4_: \u00e2\u0080\u00a6was aber eher OT ist, oder?\n ok bin wieder da\n sdx23: gibts denn dann nochn andren weg?\n greengecko: Ich habe gerade nochmal etwas recherchiert: Je nach Gnome-Version sollte es an dem genannten Ort \"floppy_icon_visible\" oder \u00c3\u00a4hnlich geben.\n greengecko: ansonsten kannst du das Modul floppy entladen oder das Laufwerk im Bios deaktivieren.\n oder den Stecker ziehen :)\n mir f\u00c3\u00a4llt gerade auf, dass scheinbar bei einem update meine fstab ge\u00c3\u00a4ndert wurde und zwar wurde meinem /home als mountoption neben dem bereits vorhandenen defaults der wert user_xattr hinzugef\u00c3\u00bcgt. hat das irgendeinen tieferen sinn?\n jap das dachte ich auch, w\u00c3\u00a4r zumindest logisch..\n da gibts viele icon_visible-sachen\n aber nicht von floppy\n wie entlade ich das modul?\n ,modprobe? greengecko \n Sorry sdx23, ich weiss nichts ueber modprobe, ich assoziiere aber blacklist damit\n hm, auf die Blacklist kannst du's dann nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich auch gleich setzen, sehr gute Idee, Pony.\n ,blacklist? greengecko \n greengecko: die blacklist (schwarze liste), die unter /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist (globale liste) zu finden ist, bzw. im verzeichnis /etc/modprobe.d/ zu finden sind. diese liste(n) beinhalten kernel-module die beim systemstart nicht automatisch geladen werden sollen. siehe auch http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Hardware_blacklist\n ahhhh :)\n danke\n ja aber das ist ja keine konkrete hardware.. es ist ja kein floppylaufwerk eingebaut\n kann ich einfach in dieser blacklist den allgemeinen \"floppyloader\" reinsetzen?\n der Link vom Pony ist falsch. Such im Wiki nach \"modprobe\" und nach \"blacklist\"\n achso\n ok\n kernelmodule ist das gesuchte denke ich\n Exakt.\n greengecko: http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/diskettenlaufwerk-entfernen/#post-685000 behauptet dass auskommentieren in der fstab reicht (Thread gel\u00c3\u00b6st gesetzt)\n ja den hab ich auch gesehen, aber das stimmt nicht..\n zeile hab ich entfernt und neugestartet, bringt nix\n Das d\u00c3\u00bcrfte daran liegen, dass bei greengecko noch die Hardware vorhanden ist und udev /dev/fd0 anlegt.\n welche hardware denn? ich habe kein floppylaufwerk eingebaut :)\n War da nicht weiter oben schon die Rede von \"ist gar keines vorhanden\" und auch von \"kann man im BIOS deaktivieren\"?\n sagtmal, bei document_viewer (f\u00c3\u00bcr pdf's) kann man sich da nicht die lesezeichen anzeigen lassen?\n greengecko: Was ist denn das Problem mit dem Floppy?\n aber das modul wird doch dann trotzdem geladen?! oder \u00c3\u00bcberpr\u00c3\u00bcft der vorm laden ob das sinn macht?\n seltsam, dann sollte n\u00c3\u00a4mlich auch kein Device erzeugt werden.\n bekks: ich versuche, das symbol \"diskettenlaufwerk\" aus \"rechner\" bzw \"orte\" zu bekommen.. wieso man das als entwickler so unm\u00c3\u00b6glich machen musste, versteh ich auch nicht :/\n bekks: Ihn st\u00c3\u00b6rt das (sowieso nicht funktionierende, unn\u00c3\u00b6tige) Icon in Nautilus.\n Ahja.\n kann es sein, dass neuere ubuntuversionen als 10.04.3 als mountoption f\u00c3\u00bcr ext4 standardm\u00c3\u00a4\u00c3\u009fig auch die unterst\u00c3\u00bctzung f\u00c3\u00bcr erweiterte dateiattribute nutzen?\n eben deswegen st\u00c3\u00b6rt es ja, weils nicht funktioniert und unn\u00c3\u00b6tig ist jokrebel ;)\n greengecko: Klick halt nicht drauf.\n das war nicht die erhoffte antwort.. :)\n Ja, das Leben ist kein Ponyhof :)\n sdx23: also dann f\u00c3\u00bcge ich mit gksudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d einfach die zeile \"blacklist [diskettenmodul]\" hinzu?\n greengecko: Die Tatsache, dass du keines hast, irritiert mich. Ist es denn geladen? lsmod | grep floppy\n greengecko: Und hast Du das BIOS schon geckeckt?\n floppy 54311 0 \n jokrebel: ne noch net\n jokrebel: ja ist geladen, siehe 2 zeilen dr\u00c3\u00bcber :)\n \u00c3\u00a4h sorry meinte sdx23\n greengecko, pr\u00c3\u00bcf doch erstmal das bios. im zweifel ist blacklisten dann gar nicht mehr n\u00c3\u00b6tig ...\n Ist es. Aber imho ist es wesentlich komfortabler, das durch Blacklisten zu machen. Spart reboots.\n modprobe -r floppy # eventuell reicht das schon, ansonsten noch ein Logout/Login hinterher. Wenn das nicht bringt, wird auch das deaktivieren im Bios nichts bringen.\n ok\n http://pastebin.com/GwaR6Eud\n achso\n sudo w\u00c3\u00a4r ganz gut.. :)\n greengecko, es ist erlaubt ein wenig mitzudenken ;)\n so\n yeahhhh :)\n vielen dank, es hat geklappt :D\n danke sdx23\n np\n so, bin dann mal off, bedanke mich und w\u00c3\u00bcnsche noch ne sch\u00c3\u00b6ne woche bzw f\u00c3\u00bcr manche vllt. auch ferien ;)\n hallo, weis hier jemand ob und wie gut bzw. mit welchen einschr\u00c3\u00a4nkungen linux bzw. ubuntu auf dem Macbook Air, dem Sony Vaio Z und dem Thinkpad X1 l\u00c3\u00a4uft? Wer hat tipps, erfahrungen oder \u00c3\u00a4hnliches?\n ,hcl? matzexh, ansonsten f\u00c3\u00bcr allgemeine Hardwareberatung #ubuntu-de-offtopic\n matzexh, ansonsten fuer allgemeine Hardwareberatung #ubuntu-de-offtopic: HCL ist die Hardware Compatibility List. Siehe http://www.ubuntuhcl.org/ und https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/ sowie http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Hardwaredatenbank\n Danke\n guten tag die herren\n wei\u00c3\u009f jemand ob man die daily versionen von unity 2d gut nutzen kann?\n problem: unity 3d l\u00c3\u00a4uft auf meinem netbook ziemlich lahm\n PRoduktiv nicht, nein.\n ok, dann verwerfe ich das schonmal\n ist das unity aus 11.04 denn einigerma\u00c3\u009fen brauchbar?\n *unity 2d\n In 11.04 gibts doch gar kein Unity.\n ich meine man k\u00c3\u00b6nnte es nachinstallieren\n Welche Grafikkarte hast Du denn?\n grafikkarte ist gut *g* gma 950\n Grausam :)\n ja, leider D:\n Ja, das Ding wird nicht schneller werden.\n daher ja auch die \u00c3\u00bcberlegung mit unity 2d\n Das bringt doch auch nichts :)\n Hallo Experten! ich versuche gerade, einen dritten monitor mit displaylink anzubinden (falls jmd. den link zu einer guten doku hat, freue ich mich \u00c3\u00bcber info), dabei will ich vom virtuellen Terminal arbeiten, erhalte aber nach dem umschalten per strg+alt+fX nur schwarze Bildschirme. ich habe k.a., woran das liegen kann und finde auch nirgens eine hilfe.. Weiss hier jemand weiter? LG\n Was bootet schneller ein USB-STick oder eine SD-Karte?\n H\u00c3\u00a4ngt von der jeweiligen Spezifikation ab.\n hdp, USB2.0 oder ein SD-HC SDKARTE\n Gibt es eine M\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit (zB.) Konversation auf dem einen Rechner laufen zu lassen und das dann auch auf einem anderen PC auch zu sehen ( besser noch auch bedienbar)?\n hd-karte in nem kartenleser an nem usb2.0-port?\n rumpe1, Ne.. im Notebook, bzw. Cardreader vom TabletPC\n dreamon, h\u00c3\u00a4ngen die nicht fast immer an nem usb-port?\n Wie kann ich den Datendurchsatz testen?\n dreamon: Welchen Datendurchsatz? \n dreamon: Wieistmeineip.de - speed.io\n jokrebel, Schreiben und Lesen .. SDkarte vs USB2.0\n jokrebel: zum Remote-Bedienen d\u00c3\u00bcrfte sich n Konsolen-Client (irssi, Weechat, ...) besser eignen\n dreamon, mit dd oder hdparm zum beispiel\n dreamon: iotop vielleicht?\n szal: Ja. Kann mich damit aber nicht so wirklich anfreunden.\n ring0, hdparm gibt es in der Konsole vom Tablet. http://wiki.ubuntu-forum.de/index.php/Hdparm -> wie misst man damit ?\n dreamon, hdparm -t /dev/DEINDEVICE\n ring0, gehen dabei daten verloren?\n nein, ist nur lesen\n dreamon, du k\u00c3\u00b6nntest das auch per gui durchf\u00c3\u00bchren, in der laufwerksverwaltung\n dreamon, hats funktioniert?\n ring0, Ah.. SDKARTE 16,31MB/Sek (lesend) \n dreamon, gut :)\n ring0, Ich bereite gerade den USB vor.. geht das eigentlich auch schreibend?\n ring0, 18,15MB der USB stick.. also nicht viel um\n dreamon, scheint sich in grenzen zu halten der unterschied\n ring1, Ich glaube schreibend ist da bestimmt ein unterschied.. gibts daf\u00c3\u00bcr auch einen Parameter?\n dreamon, f\u00c3\u00bcr hdparm soweit ich wei\u00c3\u009f nicht\n dreamon, du k\u00c3\u00b6nntest es allerdings mit der laufwerksverwaltung testen. jedoch nur, sofern kein dateisystem darauf exisitert\n gibt es ein tool, dass *fast* gleiche dateien findet?\n fslint kann das nich\n .oO( gabs da nicht was wie compair oder so \u00c3\u00a4hnlich )\n fdupes kann es auf den ersten blick auch nich\n dreamon, gefunden?\n ring1, Noch hab ich kein Ubuntu drauf. das will ich gerade installieren.\n Will Ubuntu auf SDKarte installieren. Wie geh ich vor, das alles auf die Karte installiert wird und nicht auf die Festplatte.\n Hallo zusammen. Ich bin noch recht unerfahren mit ubuntu und habe ein Problem beim Kopieren von Musik auf meinen ipod nano (3. generation). Habe mir daf\u00c3\u00bcr das Programm \"gtkpod\" runtergeladen und Musik drauf kopiert. Allerdings wird mir nur ein Bruchteil der Musik im iPod angezeigt. Es wird aber trotzdem angezeigt, dass Speicher belegt ist. Jemand ne Ahnung woran das liegen kann?\n hi\n dreamon, hast du schon mal getestet, ob du \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt von sd-karte booten kannst?\n dAnjou: wie \"fast\" darf's denn sein?\n sdx23: optimalerweise will ich das selbst bestimmen\n ring1, von USB gings.\n dreamon, von usb ist aber nicht von sd-karte ;)\n sdx23: sind textdateien bei denen 1-2 zeilen unterschiedlich sind\n ring1, Oh..\n dreamon, das w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich vorher auf jeden fall testen, denn sonst w\u00c3\u00a4re alle m\u00c3\u00bche umsonst\n dAnjou: zu wissen, dass es um Text geht, bringt schonmal was. agrep geht in die Richtung.\n dreamon, vielleicht einen blick ins bios werden, ob es eine entsprechende boot option daf\u00c3\u00bcr gibt. sonst halt usb-stick nutzen\n sdx23: bei binaries w\u00c3\u00a4rs wohl ungleich viel aufw\u00c3\u00a4ndiger :P\n dreamon, anschlie\u00c3\u009fend ohne es selbst getestet zu haben, hier ein link aus dem forum: http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/ubuntu-auf-sd-karte-installieren/#post-2199145\n dAnjou: insbesondere wenn man erstmal von \"irgendwelche Daten\" ausgeht. Das d\u00c3\u00bcrfte ziemlich unsch\u00c3\u00bcn werden.\n sdx23: problem is, dass es relativ viele dateien sind (mehr als ich per hand durchsehen will)\n ring1, Werd wohl erst ein Bios update machen m\u00c3\u00bcssen -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4gM2qslmyU\n dreamon's youtube link: ‪WeTab BIOS und SDCard-Boot1‬ - YouTube \n ich w\u00c3\u00bcrd da eher \u00c3\u00bcber die k\u00c3\u00bcrze der diff im verh\u00c3\u00a4ltnis zur gesamtgr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fe der dateien gehen\n *diffs\n aber da muss ich mir ja erst was zusammenfrickeln\n dAnjou: http://linux.die.net/man/1/agrep kennst Du?\n bullgard4_: 20:44:29 <+sdx23> dAnjou: [...] agrep geht in die Richtung.\n dAnjou: Ja. for-Schleife \u00c3\u00bcber die Dateien, agrep-Ungenauigkeit anhand Gr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fe festlegen, gegen alle anderen Dateien vergleichen. W\u00c3\u00bcrde ich ansetzen.\n aber das findet ja nicht von allein fast-gleiche dateien\n moment, ich dachte agrep w\u00c3\u00a4re ein grep o.O\n soll ich etwa den inhalt einer ganzen datei in einer anderen suchen?\n dreamon, hast du die sd-karte denn vor dem einschalten schon eingesteckt gehabt, als du im bios nach der option geguckt hast?\n Achso, ja diffen k\u00c3\u00b6nntest du nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich auch. Oder halt agreppen nach dem ganzen Inhalt. Oke, ersteres ist wohl sinnvoller.\n ach man, ich hasse shell-scripte .. so eine eklige syntax. mal sehen, ob python was zum diffen hat.\n ring1, Das wetab hat kein Normales Bios.. (zum betreten, das mu\u00c3\u009f ich erst flashen ;)\n dreamon, ok :)\n Hallo zusammen. Ich bin noch recht unerfahren mit ubuntu und habe ein Problem beim Kopieren von Musik auf meinen ipod nano (3. generation). Habe mir daf\u00c3\u00bcr das Programm \"gtkpod\" runtergeladen und Musik drauf kopiert. Allerdings wird mir nur ein Bruchteil der Musik im iPod angezeigt. Es wird aber trotzdem angezeigt, dass Speicher belegt ist. Jemand ne Ahnung woran das liegen kann?\n anditouzani: Welche UbuntuVersion?\n bullgard4: 10.04\n anditouzani: ich habe mal ein bi\u00c3\u009fchen gegoogelt. Mit der Unterst\u00c3\u00bctzung von iPod 3. Generation scheint es noch nicht gut auszusehen. -- Vielleicht probierst Du mal Banshee oder Rhythmbox bei einem Freund aus, der eine neuere Ubuntu-Version hat als Du.\n anditouzani: Die Wiki-Seite dazu kennst Du bereits? http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Ipod/gtkpod\n jokrebel: ja danke kenn ich. \n bullgard: werden die beiden programme nicht unter 10.04 unterst\u00c3\u00bctzt? \n anditouzani: Doch. Aber sie unterst\u00c3\u00bctzen vielleicht iPod 3. Generation besser in den beiden neueren Ubuntu-Versionen. (Das geht nicht klar hervor aus dem, was ich ergoogelt habe.)\n anditouzani: Da Dein IPod nicht mit Linux l\u00c3\u00a4uft, wirst Du Dich ggf. bei Apple beschweren m\u00c3\u00bcssen.\n alles klar, danke euch beiden! \n Hi kann mir jmd helfen???\n phoenix123: Ohne konkrete Frage? Nein!\n phoenix123: Ohne konkrete Frage? Nein!\n also ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte die schriftfarbe vom bootscreen \u00c3\u00a4ndern (nicht die ok`s)... weis aber nicht wie...\n phoenix123: Bootscreen? Grub? http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/GRUB\n ...oder auch Grub_2\n ja\n (?)\n oh man ey, manche kommen hier mit kernel panics, andere mit versehentlich gel\u00c3\u00b6schten usb-sticks an ... und er will ne schriftfarbe \u00c3\u00a4ndern -.-\n dAnjou: Wer keine Probleme hat versucht sich halt an Sch\u00c3\u00b6nheitskorrekturen - aber das ist wohl OT.\n gel\u00c3\u00b6schten usb-sticks oh man xchat spinnt\n wd\n hermes: Dann richte es bitte\n ich war das... sry ka warum er immer closed...?\n ring1, Bios ist bereit.. ;)\n jokrebel: hast du eine idee wie ich das hibekomme???\n ???\n phoenix123: Inder zugeh\u00c3\u00b6rigen Wiki \u00c3\u00bcber Grub/Grub2 suchen vielleicht? Mich selbst haben die Standardeinstellungen des Bootsplash noch nicht wirklich interessiert.\n ja ubuntuuser-wiki habe ich geschaut aber da kann man iwie nur die ok`s mache.... deshalb hab ich ja mal hier reingeschaut :)\n phoenix123: lass es doch einfach. den bootscreen siehst du wie lange? 2-3 sekunden?\n ja aber ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte es unbedingt... ist halt nicht f\u00c3\u00bcr mich usw....\n phoenix123: Dann wirst Du Dich gedulden m\u00c3\u00bcssen, ob vielleicht jemand anderes eine Idee hat. Optische Probleme beim Booten (solange es Funktioniert) haben IMHO Priorit\u00c3\u00a4t 17\u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n jokrebel: aber nur wenn erstrangige probleme bei -100 anfangen\n :(\n zumal die Wiki-Seite reicht, wenn man etwas mitdenkt und das Skript etwas liest, wird man darauf kommen, an welchen Stellen man das einf\u00c3\u00bcgen muss. Allerdings sei gewarnt darin rumzupfuschen, wenn man keine Ahnung hat; das macht im Zweifelsfalle ehr was kaputt...\n phoenix123: Und Du hast immer noch nicht einmal erz\u00c3\u00a4hlt ob Du Grub oder Grub2 nutzt.\n na ich denke grub2 wegen 10.10....\n sdx23: btw. es sind xml-dateien (ganz konkret tomboy-notizen) und es gibt xmldiff :D\n just FYI\n phoenix123: na dann http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/GRUB_2 ... good luck\n dAnjou: ah, ic.\n bb\n hey, wo installiert man eigentlich programme hin, die man nicht \u00c3\u00bcber den paket-manager bezieht? Der Installer schl\u00c3\u00a4gt mir hier /home/mein-profil/QtSDK vor, jedoch nutzen den computer 2 leute und ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte das SDK nicht nur f\u00c3\u00bcr mich installieren, oder ist es sinnvoller es in mein home-folder zu installieren?\n LindseyDonald_: /opt\n LindseyDonald_: Etwas an der Paketverwatung vorbei zu installieren ist generell keine gute Idee.\n und die Binaries, die man aufrufen k\u00c3\u00b6nnen m\u00c3\u00b6chte symlinken nach /usr/local/bin/\n sdx23, soll ich die berechtigungen von /opt anpassen oder einen unterordern programs erstellen, da mein user ja keine rechte hat, oder ich installiere mit sudo\n bzw. wenn man configure/make/makeinstall nimmt, einen Blick auf checkinstall werfen.\n jokrebel, sdx23, es handelt sich um das QtSDK wo halt alles dabei ist und ich mehere Qt versionen installieren (was wichtig f\u00c3\u00bcr mich ist)\n sdx23, sind keine sourcen, ist ein richtiger installer \n Ja, wenn der sich auf ein Verzeichnis beschr\u00c3\u00a4nkt, dann leg das als root nach /opt/QtSDK\n es gibt aber auch: http://packages.ubuntu.com/de/lucid/qt-sdk\n LindseyDonald_: Wenn Du fremde Sachen benutzt kann/k\u00c3\u00b6nnen viele hier bei Problemen nicht mehr weiterhelfen. Hast Du wirklich alles gecheckt, ob es nicht auch eine \"Ubuntu-L\u00c3\u00b6sung\" f\u00c3\u00bcr das gibt was auch immer Du erreichen willst?\n jokrebel, der zeit habe ich alle pakete via apt einzeln installiert (keine probleme) jedoch brauche ich mehere qt versionen damit ich diese auch testen kann um \u00c3\u00a4ltere versionen und neuere zu supporten\n sdx23, das sieht gut aus mal gucken ob es das selbe ist was ich bei nokia runter laden kann\n gibt es eine M\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit die Auslastung der CPU zu loggen und in einem Terminal abzufragen ?\n Ja, \"top\" angucken.\n nabend\n kann man mich lesen?\n cartun: n\u00c3\u00b6 \n :P\n ok\n ich bin sehr altmodisch und komme aus der debian ecke....\n doch ich suche nun nach einen os das auch multimedia-technisch fit ist... also ist meine wahl auf ubuntu gefallen\n doch eine frage, warum gibt es keinen root-account? ich bin es halt gewohnt...\n cartun: lmde\n cartun: sudo passwd\n ja\n aber warum ist es deaktiviert?\n es ist ja ein doppeltes sicherheitsriko!?\n cartun: Weil das mit Sudo unn\u00c3\u00b6tig ist. Genauere Erkl\u00c3\u00a4rungen findest Du im Wiki.\n ja, aber es schr\u00c3\u00a4nkt doch die sicherheit ein oder nicht?\n Und welches Sicherheitsrisiko ein deaktiviertes Passwort haben soll, das erkl\u00c3\u00a4re uns bitte im OT.\n ,ot? cartun \n cartun: Dies ist ein Supportchannel! Fuer Offtopic- und Stammtischgespraeche bitte #ubuntu-de-offtopic nutzen. Danke! ;) [offtopic]\n (mir gings jetzt nur um den channel - nicht um den ganzen text drumherum vom pony)\n shetlandpony... hmmmm.... verstehe nicht warum OT\n Weil das nichts mit Support zu tun hat.\n naja, aber der support m\u00c3\u00bcsste es doch dem user erkl\u00c3\u00a4ren k\u00c3\u00b6nnen da es sich ja um ubuntu handelt\n Aber nicht um Support. \n ?\n Lass einfach gut sein :)\n cartun: Im Support-Channel gibt es keine Disussionen warum etwas wie ist. \n Okay, lieber Ubuntu Support, warum gibt es kein root-account? Ich versuche mich (wie auf allen Unix-System) als Administrator anzumelden um Systemnahe aufgaben zu erledigen. Warum gibt es kein root-account sondern nur sudo?\n Es gibt einen root account.\n doch\n grep root /etc/shadow sagt das sehr eindeutig.\n lol, aber warum nicht? ich frage nicht ob es sinn macht oder nicht sondern nur warum es keinen root-account gibt\n Es GIBT einen root Account.\n grep root /etc/shadow sagt das sehr eindeutig.\n okay, wie richte ich das ein?\n normal wird es bei der einrichtung gefragt\n Nein.\n bei debian schon\n Ich sch\u00c3\u00a4tze mal, es gibt keinen exchange f\u00c3\u00a4higen MUA f\u00c3\u00bcr Linux?\n Debian ist aber nicht Ubuntu.\n ja ist klar\n 0803 220655 < pAt_> cartun: sudo passwd\n ...\n cartun: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/sudo da ist das glaub ich erkl\u00c3\u00a4rt. Und wenn Du ROOT ein Passwort verpasst hast Du Deinen Support hier verspielt, weil das halt einfach nicht der \"ubuuntu-way\" ist.\n s/uu/u/\n bekks, can't find 'uu' in your last line, sorry\n Sowas. :)\n cartun: du suchst lmde. \n jokrebel, was ist denn jetzt schon wieder ein ubuntu-way?\n cartun: lies doch einfach mal den Artikel.\n Oh Evolution scheint zu k\u00c3\u00b6nnen.\n okay okay... hocke gerade wieder am debian rechner nebenan... schaue mal nach.. bis dahin erstmal danke :)\n KojiroAK: Nur mit aktiviertem OWA unter Exchange.\n cartun: Dass es einfach unter Ubuntu unn\u00c3\u00b6tig/un\u00c3\u00bcblich ist Root direkt zu nutzen. Lie\u00c3\u009f die den SUDO-Artikel durch und versuche zu verstehen.\n Ach so, dann kriege ich halt Arbeitsmails nur aufs Smarti.\n danke bekks \n jokrebel, okay... ist halt sehr ungewohnt fuer mich ;)\n ubuntu hat mehr als seine vorzuege.... nur das ein oder andere muss man halt nachlesen ;)\n so bye und danke \n cartun: Kein Problem. War es f\u00c3\u00bcr mich anfangs auch. Aber wenn man sich nicht mit dem allseits bekanntem (Admin)Namen \"root\" einloggen kann ist das IMHO schon alleine eine Sicherheitsrisiko-Minimierung. Aber auch die geh\u00c3\u00b6rt eigentlcih schon nach\u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n #ubuntu-de-offtopic\n gn8\n Hi , ich hab ein problem bin neu hier und hab mich nun durch alle foren , wikis , durchgek\u00c3\u00a4mpft .. mein problem ist ich hab ubuntu 11.04 64bit wollte eine \u00c3\u00a4lter firefox version installieren hab daf\u00c3\u00bcr die aktuelle deinstalliert und alles nach den tipps im inet gemacht doch ich kriegs nicht zum laufen im terminal kommt nur run-mozilla.sh: Cannot execute . kA mehr was ich noch machen soll \n yuk1z: mach erstmal wieder alles r\u00c3\u00bcckg\u00c3\u00a4ngig\n welche version willste haben?\n nur nicht 5.0\n meinst du mit alles r\u00c3\u00bcckg\u00c3\u00a4ngig auch damit die aktuelle wieder zu installieren ? \n Wieso genau nicht 5.0?\n yuk1z: ne, das nich\n yuk1z: dir is klar, dass du dann keine sicherheitsupdates mehr bekommst?\n ja ist es \n is ja nur so lange bis id ein update f\u00c3\u00bcr die linux version von quakelive hat \n dann lad dir das hier mal runter und versuchs zu installieren http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/f/firefox/firefox_3.6.18+build2+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.10.10.2_amd64.deb\n dAnjou's url: http://tinyurl.com/4yrpup5\n Man k\u00c3\u00b6nnte auch einfach die generische .tar.gz vom Mozilla-Mirror laden, die ins /home irgendwohin entpacken und dann von da aus starten.\n eventuell will er das updaten, musst du halt das h\u00c3\u00a4kchen rausnehmen oder diese version pinnen pinnen\n Da muss man nicht gro\u00c3\u009f installieren.\n stimmt, wenn es eh nur f\u00c3\u00bcrn spiel is\n aber es sieht ja so aus, als w\u00c3\u00bcrde das bei ihm fehler schmei\u00c3\u009fen\n jo\n ich krieg das game ja drauf\n nur macht es konstant probleme am anfang dachte ich das es eventuel an nem treiber liegt da das bild auch ab und zu flacker und es mich manchmal auch aus dem game raushaut \n Ich sehe in seinen bisherigen Ausf\u00c3\u00bchrungen nicht, dass er das getan hat, was ich schrieb.\n Das halt ich auch f\u00c3\u00bcr vergleichsweise unwahrscheinlich\n danke\n habs geschaft \n mit 5.0\n Hallo. Meine xsession-errors Datei enth\u00c3\u00a4lt mehrere hundert mal die Zeile \"(nautilus:1597): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_value_get_object: assertion `G_VALUE_HOLDS_OBJECT (value)' failed\"\n Es ist heute deswegen schon einmal auf knapp 40 GB angewachsen - was k\u00c3\u00b6nnte das problem sein?\n es existieren mehrere bug reports davon im Internet, aber sie bestehen immer nur aus Leuten, die das Problem beschreiben\n Scaatis: Ansicht mal ge\u00c3\u00a4ndert, wie im BugReport vorgeschlagen?\n von klassisch auf unity?\n (ich bin in der klassischen ansicht)\n ah, ich nahm an, das bez\u00c3\u00b6ge sich auf die Nautilus-Ansicht\n ich wei\u00c3\u009f nicht auf was sich was bezieht\n nautilus hat meines wissens nach keine verschiedenen ansichten\n die umstellung im bugreport bezieht sich auf den desktop\n und auf unity zur\u00c3\u00bcck zu gehen ist die letzte alternative\n hello\n was mir eben auff\u00c3\u00a4llt ist, dass die datei inzwischen bei 43 kb ist - das h\u00c3\u00a4tte ich normalerweise nicht mal bemerkt - nach zwei neustarts von X ist die datei auch weg - das hei\u00c3\u009ft ich kann nicht sagen wann der bug zum ersten mal aufgetreten ist\n Ist jeder hier Deutsch oder k\u00c3\u00b6nnen einige sprechen Englisch? Ich kann. Aber ich bin mehrsprachig.\n Ubuntuist: der englischsprachige Channel ist #ubuntu <- da sind von hier auch ein paar vertreten\n Ubuntuist: Dies ist ein deutschsprachiger Channel. F\u00c3\u00bcr englischsprachigen Support nutze bitte #ubuntu F\u00c3\u00bcr deutschen Smalltalk den Offtopickanal, siehe Topic.\n i know. Ich bin hier mit Absicht.\n wir haben aber nix dagegen, wenn sich hier Nicht-Muttersprachler rumtreiben, solangs beim Thema (Support) bleibt ^^\n Wie ich schon sagte. Ich bin mehrsprachig.\n Ubuntuist: aber wie gesagt, wenns um andere Themen geht, bist du herzlich nach #ubuntu-de-offtopic eingeladen\n Wenn ich Heidi Klum verheiratet w\u00c3\u00a4re, w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich der gl\u00c3\u00bccklichste werden. Wer stimmt?\n or Julia Stegner\n dann eben net :P\n kann ich den Namen einer LVM-Volume Group \u00c3\u00a4ndern oder die Gruppe unter einem anderem Namen einbinden? Hab hier gerade ne Backup-Platte, auf der die VG genauso benannt ist wie das LVM auf dem / beim laufenden System liegt, und das bei\u00c3\u009ft sich\u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n habs gefunden, vgrename mit der uuid f\u00c3\u00bcttern, die vgdisplay ausspuckt\n Noch eine frage gibt es eine andere m\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit falls ALT-Tab nicht geht aus einem game auf den desktop zu switchen\n#ubuntu-de 2011-08-04\n yuk1z: probier alt+enter\n werd ich gleich testen \n omg was auch immer ich gerade gemacht habe ATL-Tab geht nun wieder ^^\n Moin!\n Ich hab versucht ein Ubuntu System aufzusetzen und das dann per dd und netcat auf einen anderen Rechner zu kopieren, allerdings bekam ich auf dem zweiten Rechner nur eine initramfs. Muss ich etwas spezielles beachten, sodass auf dem zweiten Rechner alles richtig l\u00c3\u00a4uft?\n wie hast du das kopiert?\n die ganze platte?\n Ja, /dev/sda.\n was genau sagt er denn beim booten?\n Ich kann's leider nicht sehen.\n Ich versuche das nochmal zu reproduzieren und schau ob ich das auslesen kann.\n hat der andere rechner mehrere festplatten?\n Nein, es sind identische Notebook.\n Beides T60, beides mal 100 GB.\n Hi, ich habe \u00c3\u00bcber Nacht ein dist-upgrade von maverick auf natty gemacht. Das ist fast durchgelaufen, aber bei der Einrichtung von udisk ein kompletter Absturz. Jetzt geht gar nichts mehr. Nicht die vorherige kernel und nicht die Neue. Gibt es eine M\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit, die Installation wiederherzustellen?\n tPl0ch: Ohne Backup, dass Du vorher gemacht hast - nein.\n meeeeh :(\n Was genau bedeutet denn \"geht nicht\"?\n ich sags immer wieder: die upgrade routine hat eine automatische backuperkennung. wenn backups da sind funktioniert sie, ansonsten nicht.\n LetoThe2nd: ack! :D\n ROFL\n Gnah, die haben uns das mit gleichen Festplatten verkauft und ich hab die Kiste mit 80 GB erwischt. Danke mgolisch.\n bekks, direkter Abbruch mit toll leuchtenden L\u00c3\u00a4mpchen \u00c3\u00bcberall. Meine Tastatur sieht aus wie ein Auto-Scooter\n bekks: hab ich recht oder hab ich recht?\n LetoThe2nd: Du hast definitiv Recht. :)\n tPl0ch: klingt nach kernelpanic\n deem, davon gehe ich aus, denn ein paar Module wurden noch nicht installiert vor dem Absturz\n ich muss mal die dmesg holen\n Bei einer KErnelpanic kommst Du nicht mehr an dmesg heran.\n das ist ein Kack :(\n ist mein Rechner auf Arbeit :-/\n tja, selbst Schuld wer keine Backups macht\n Ist nicht so wichtig, Du hasttest auch kein Backup. :P\n * tPl0ch slaps himself\n (wer auf nem produktivsystem dist-upgrade ohne backups macht... naja, zumindest siehst du' s ein)\n Nein, ubuntu ist schuld\n home sichern, neuinstallieren, weiter gehts. such is life.\n Schadensersatzklage ist eingereicht\n na ja, alles wichtige hab ich eh in meinem privaten Github account\n \\o/ Cloud\n Trotzdem Danke f\u00c3\u00bcr die schnelle und leider ern\u00c3\u00bcchternde Hilfe :)\n sash_: \\o/ jede menge backups auf extrenen platten :-)\n hatte erst \"extremen\" Platten gelesen lol\n * LetoThe2nd hat nur extreme platten.\n Kann ich von der live-cd das dateisystem mounten?\n tPl0ch: nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich.\n Kommt drauf an.\n finde in /dev nur den Swap\n tPl0ch: wenn du nicht so verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselungs-sp\u00c3\u00a4sschen oder \u00c3\u00a4hnliches hast, reicht sogar ein doppelklick in nautilus.\n Mit ner 8.04 Live-CD ein btrfs zu mounten, d\u00c3\u00bcrfte schwer werden :)\n sash_, es geht hier nur um ext\n LetoThe2nd, nope, keine Verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselung\n ext4 wiederum wird mit 6.06 schwer.\n * LetoThe2nd setzt selbstverfreilicht eine aktuelle, zur architektur passende 11.04-livecd voraus.\n LetoThe2nd, diese ist gerade am laufen\n tPl0ch: schau dochmal per \"sudo fdisk -l\" ob die \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt angezeigt wird\n deem, LetoThe2nd, aah, da war sie ja tats\u00c3\u00b6chlich einfach im nautilus\n kann mich erinnern dass man die fr\u00c3\u00bcher selbst mounten musste\n * LetoThe2nd ist einfach extrem gut.\n * deem findet, dass das kein grund ist, warum man sie nicht selbst mounten sollte. mounten k\u00c3\u00b6nnen sollte.\n reicht es den evolution ordner zu sichern, wenn das einzige dass ich brauche meine lokal gespeicherten E-Mails sind?\n .evolution im home verzeichnis\n tPl0ch: Sicher doch einfach /home/user und mach dir sp\u00c3\u00a4ter Gedanken drum, was du brauchst und was nicht.\n tPl0ch: wenn du imap nutzt brauchst du sowas eh nicht :D\n deem, ich nutze IMAP, aber meine Filter verschieben manche Emails in lokale Ordner\n tPl0ch: evolution ist so ziemlich das einzige, das unter umst\u00c3\u00a4nden muckt wenn man den ordner direkt kopiert. die empfehlen st\u00c3\u00a4ndig ihr eigene backup-restore funktion anstatt das zurecht zu biegen.\n deem, au\u00c3\u009ferdem habe ich echt keine Lust 24GB zu sichern jetzt\n Von denen das meiste Video + Audio sind\n rsync --exclude ftw\n die E-Mails w\u00c3\u00bcrden mir reichen, deswegen die Frage, ob es reicht meinen .evolution Ordner zu sicher um die E-Mails wiederherstellen zu k\u00c3\u00b6nnen\n oO( ich hab keine backups, ubuntu ist schuld, ich habe jetzt keine lust... nicht so die support-laune f\u00c3\u00b6rderlichen statements. )\n * LetoThe2nd \u00c3\u00bcbergibt an andere.\n LetoThe2nd, nee, ich bin auf Arbeit\n und mein Chef sagt schnell\n dein chef ist mir sonstwas, ehrlich gesagt... selber schuld, das machts nicht zu meinem problem. und um das nicht weiter zu vertiefen, gebe ich das ticket jetzt ab. endg\u00c3\u00bcltig.\n tPl0ch: Evolution ist hier vergleichsweise selten in Nutzung (Also hier im Channel). Ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde nicht drauf wetten, dass .evolution reicht. Schau mal hier: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Evolution#Backups\n LetoThe2nd, warum denn jetzt so harsch? Ich hab doch nur gefragt ob es reicht den .evolution Ordner zu sichern wenn ich nur die lokalen E-Mails erhalten will\n tPl0ch: und ich habe gesagt (wenngleich auch indirekt), dass das wohl probleme machen wird. siehe sash_.\n K\u00c3\u00b6nnte, sagte ich. Ich nutz so ne komischen Programme nicht.\n Bei Thunderbird wei\u00c3\u009f ich halt, das ist alles in .thunderbird. Evolution ist aber ziemlich tief im System.\n guten morgen \n ich bin neu im irc-gesch\u00c3\u00a4ft und wollte mal fragen ob mir jemand noch ein paar channel zum thema IT oder Administration nennen kann\n ,ot? fletcher0815, ich nenn dir mal unseren offtopic cahnnel wo man sowas gerne diskutiert\n fletcher0815, ich nenn dir mal unseren offtopic cahnnel wo man sowas gerne diskutiert: Dies ist ein Supportchannel! Fuer Offtopic- und Stammtischgespraeche bitte #ubuntu-de-offtopic nutzen. Danke! ;) [offtopic]\n okay , danke \n sorry f\u00c3\u00bce den offtopic\n was macht gvfsd-http, und warum lauscht es an port 80 ?\n Coveranzeige-Plugin von Rhythmbox?\n hm, hab kein Rhythmbox\n Coveranzeige-Plugin von irgendwas anderem?\n sudo netstat -tulpena pasten, bitte.\n Oder Ubuntu One?\n Nutzt du das?\n nein, ich nutze es nicht\n Oder das Software-Center?\n auch nicht\n Ja, dann mal netstat -tulpena und ps ax in 2 getrennte pastes, bitte\n http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/401897/\n funkyimg.com Erkennst du irgendeinen Bezug zu Programmen von dir?\n Plugin oder sowas, vielleicht im Nautilus oder im Panel irgendwas?\n http://pastebin.com/Qy6kLT1q\n hm, funkyimg.com sagt mir nichts\n IchEsseDichAuf: Vielleicht noch ne Portion 'ps xawf -eo pid,user,cgroup,args' in nen pastebin?\n http://pastebin.com/MEMWxdVq\n Na super.\n Kannste mal lastfm beenden und gucken, ob das dann immer noch an ist?\n Wenn nicht, danach mal clementine?\n nein, ich habe die das als erstes gepr\u00c3\u00bcft\n mom\n K. dann Latein Ende und so.\n also clementine ist beendet, dennoch ist gvfsd-httt lauschend\n leute ich hab echt mist gebaut und w\u00c3\u00bcrde mich sehr \u00c3\u00bcber hilfe freuen.. das ganze isn bisschen l\u00c3\u00a4nger, lest hier: http://pastebin.com/iTN2mBqH\n und wieso schreibt man das in einen pastebin anstatt z.B. ins Forum?\n greengecko: die kurzform w\u00c3\u00a4re: \"ich habe rm -r /etc/modprobe.d gemacht, wie repariere ich das\". k\u00c3\u00b6nnte man super in einer zeile fragen, kein paste notwendig.\n ok, sorry. ins forum, weil das wahrscheinlich ne ganze weile l\u00c3\u00a4nger dauern w\u00c3\u00bcrde, das problem zu l\u00c3\u00b6sen, falls es denn l\u00c3\u00b6sbar ist\n ist da denn noch was zu machen? :/\n greengecko: interessanter w\u00c3\u00a4re schon ein paste der fehler beim booten, weil ich mir nicht sicher bin ob das urs\u00c3\u00a4chlich ist.\n beim booten krieg ich keinen fehler.. ich bleib nur in nem lila bildschirm stecken und dann passiert nix mehr\n also da wo eigtl. der login kommen sollte\n greengecko: dir ist bewusst, dass ubuntu einen recovery-modus in grub anbietet?\n lila bildschirm?\n nein, das wusste ich nicht. wie geht denn das?\n greengecko: im grub recovery ausw\u00c3\u00a4hlen?\n ich meine, ja es gibt ne notfallkonsole in grub, aber ich brauch ja das verzeichnis wieder\n der ubuntu recovery, nich frib\n grub*\n ich sagte nicht konsole von grub, ich sagte recovery modus von ubuntu. steht i.A. in der zeile direkt unter dem normalen eintrag.\n achso das meinst du. \u00c3\u00a4hm leider besteht da das problem, das ich garkeine grubauswahl kriege beim start\n kann ich das wo einstellen von livecd aus?\n shift oder esc dr\u00c3\u00bccken. irgendsowas.\n hm mein ansatz waer nun in apt-file zu welche pakete dadrin dateien haben\n und fals diese installiert sind neu installeiren\n +schauen\n mgolisch: guter vorschlag, nimmst du das ticket?\n * mgolisch is at work\n :(\n same here.\n -> packages.ubuntu.com und mal nach \"/etc/modprobe.d\" suchen :-) hilfe zur selbsthilfe.\n einfach jetzt von livecd aus \"apt-file\" ins terminal hauen oder oder meinst du im recovery mode?\n LetoThe2nd: ok ich guck mal\n * deem hatte das letztens, hat da aber auch nen 3.0er kernel reingefrickelt und dadurch waren die dkms module der grafiktreiber weg\n greengecko: Nein. Neu booten. Nach dem Bios Shift und/oder Esc dr\u00c3\u00bccken. Dann im Grub den Recovery-Mode w\u00c3\u00a4hlen.\n Es sei denn du m\u00c3\u00b6chtest gerne chrooten, kannst du nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich auch.\n hm, wenns von livecd aus geht, w\u00c3\u00a4r mir das ehrlich gesagt lieber\n ,chroot? greengecko \n greengecko: chroot steht fuer change root und ist eine Funktion auf Unix-Systemen um das Rootverzeichnis zu aendern. Es bietet somit eine Moeglichkeit, User und Programme in ein Verzeichnis einzusperren. Mehr Informationen unter: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/chroot\n Bist du an eben dem Rechner?\n ja bin an dem rechner on, aber eben von livecd\n Ah, also h\u00c3\u00a4ttest du sonst keine Kommunikationsm\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit? Dann ist vermutlich chroot sogar g\u00c3\u00bcnstiger.\n nein eig nicht..\n aber wozu chroot? ich versteh das nicht, von livecd aus kann ich doch alles machen mit sudo (das pw kenn ich ja..)?\n achso jetzt versteh ichs\n Nein, von der Live-CD aus kannst du keine Pakete im System selbst neu installieren.\n darum ja chroot\n ok, also mounte ich jetzt einfach /dev/sda oder sind noch weiter schritte notwendig?\n steht doch in dem artikel alles drin..\n http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/chroot/Live-CD hier steht unter einrichtung nur, dass man die entsprechende partition mounten soll. sorry, wenn ich mich bisschen dumm anstelle, bitte ein bisschen geduld mit mir haben, tut mir leid :)\n greengecko: werd nicht hektisch, les dir den artikel in ruhe durch und wenn du dann etwas spezifisches nicht verstehst, dann frag hier\n ok\n im prinzip sind die anleitungen da schritt f\u00c3\u00bcr schritt aufgebaut, ein bisschen muss man halt adaptieren\n greengecko: Und nicht nur schwarzen Zeilen lesen und copy&paste(n).\n ja is klar :)\n ok, ich versuche grad, die ganzen verzeichnisse einzubinden. aber ich verstehe nicht, wie ich nun die ewig lange zahlenreihe nach /media rauskriege. dr\u00c3\u00bccke ich tab nach /media/ passiert nichts.. die partition ist schon eingeh\u00c3\u00a4ngt laut terminal\n ?\n wieso willst du was mit /media, wo steht da media?\n sudo blkid\n also im wiki steht, dass neuere livesysteme (hier 10.10) automatisch das dateisystem erkennen und einh\u00c3\u00a4ngen und dass das dann utner /media/ewiglangezahlenreihe zu finden ist\n interessant, falls schon was gemountet ist, kannst du mit dem Befehl \"mount\" sehen was wo gemountet ist\n ah danke\n komisch in der liste taucht meine partition nicht auf, aber wenn ich sie mounten will nach /mnt gibtsn fehler: http://pastebin.com/20LKZgTE\n man mountet auch nicht /dev/sda, das ist die ganze platte, man mountet eine partition\n ,mount? greengecko\n greengecko, mount ist http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/mount - Weitere Infos im query ...\n schade, das du den artikel tats\u00c3\u00a4chlich nicht richtig und in ruhe gelesen hast, da steht n\u00c3\u00a4mlich wof\u00c3\u00bcr xY steht\n ich hab ihn gelesen\n nur habe ich was falsch verstanden\n und auch nicht \"sudo fdisk -l\" benutzt?\n ich dachte ich krieg bei sudo fdisk -l die datei, die ich dann mounten muss, aber da krieg ich auch die ganze platte\n ah da stehts in der tabelle\n naja, soll sich wer anders k\u00c3\u00bcmmern, boarding beginnt gleich\n boarding?\n aka: ich sitz gleich im flugzeug, vielleicht kann jemand anderes weiterhelfen\n achso, guten flug :)\n wei\u00c3\u009f jemand was mit ICQ zur zeit los ist?\n mein pidgin meckert, dass die ein unbekanntes zertifikat h\u00c3\u00a4tten\n und? ist es schwer dieses zu akzeptieren?\n hier (lucid) meckert pidgin nicht.\n so alles klar, bin jetzt im installierten system\n greengecko: atp-file find /etc/modprobe.d/ # sagt dir die Pakete, die da potentiell was drin haben.\n ok\n (vorausgesetzt apt-file ist installiert und die Datenbank erzeugt)\n sudo kann ich nun weglassen oder? bin ja als root drin\n mist apt-file : Befehl nicht gefunden.. :/\n Ja. Zumal f\u00c3\u00bcr apt-file sowieso keine root-Rechte ben\u00c3\u00b6tigt werden.\n tja, installieren und apt-file update # oder aber http://packages.ubuntu.com verwenden.\n verwendet der die nicht automatisch wenn ich apt-get install apt-file mache?\n also die quelle mein ich\n hm? Der Link f\u00c3\u00bchrt zum Webinterface der Paketsuche.\n achso\n ich dachte du meinst ich soll das als quelle verwenden f\u00c3\u00bcr das packet, das hat mich verwirrt :)\n soc: Auch hier macht Pidgin mit ICQ keine Probleme.\n bin grad am apt-file updaten\n \u00c3\u00a4hm... ich hab apt-get install apt-file ausgef\u00c3\u00bchrt und apt-file update, aber wenn ich jetzt apt-file find /etc/modprobe.d/ mache sagt er immer noch, er kennt den befehl nicht..\n ah moment\n bei dir war nen vertipper, ich habs einfach gepastet.. :)\n seltsam ... naja ok\n dankle\n so hier sdx23: http://pastebin.com/g1KZeWQp\n ja, die kannst du nun durchgehen und schauen welche installiert sind. Dieselbigen dann neu installieren.\n also nur die neuinstallieren die schon installiert sind und die andren die gelistet werden nicht? wie lautet der befehl zum \u00c3\u00bcberpr\u00c3\u00bcfen, ob die installiert sind?\n apt-cache policy \n Da steht dann bei \"installiert\" entweder eine Versionsnummer oder \"(keine)\"\n danke\n ok\n und wenn eine dasteht ist es installiert, also apt-get remove [paket] und wieder apt-get install [paket]?\n oder gibtsn befehl direkt zum neuinstallieren?\n es gibt auch \"reinstall\"\n ok\n bzw. \"reinstall\" statt \"install\" nur bei aptitude, bei apt-get ist's ein Schalter.\n achso daher gehts nicht\n also aptitude reinstall [paket]?\n Du kannst auch apt-get verwenden.\n aber da sagt er ung\u00c3\u00bcltige operation\n Wie ich schrieb, es ist dort ein Schalter. Siehe man apt-get #\n kapier ich jetzt nicht ganz, bei aptitude gibts auchn fehler, aber ich machs jetzt einfach per apt-get remove und install.. :)\n greengecko: benutz doch mal \"man apt-get\" und schau wie es richtig geht\n dieses \"ich wei nicht wies geht, aber benutz einfach irgendwas, von dem ich glaube, dass es stimmt und mirt den selben effekt liefert\" is bl\u00c3\u00b6d\n in der Tat\n ok, gleich, aber vorher ne frage: http://pastebin.com/mt5k0TEu hier steht er hat ubuntu-desktop entfernt, aber nicht, dass ers wieder installiert hat.. muss ich das nun wieder extra installieren?\n das is ein meta-paket. braucht man eigentlich nicht\n afair soll das aber probleme machen beim updaten, also lieber wieder installieren\n ok\n aber genau aus dem grund sollst du auch nachschauen wie der *richtige* befehl f\u00c3\u00bcr sowas lautet\n ja mach ich grad\n dann deinstalliert der dir nicht einfach irgendwelche pakete, die du vielleicht noch brauchen k\u00c3\u00b6nntest\n apt-get install --reinstall waers gewesen zb\n mgolisch: oller vorsager :P\n bei aptitude gibts sowas sicher auch\n danke mgolisch\n dauert erstmal ne weile, bis alles neuinstalliert is.. :)\n greengecko: Kann es sein dass Du ganz sch\u00c3\u00b6n leichtfertig mit Deinem System umgehst? Hast Du denn wenigstens aktuelle Backups? Ich f\u00c3\u00bcrchte die k\u00c3\u00b6nnten n\u00c3\u00b6tig werden\u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n ich hab die wichtigen daten gesichert, ja\n nen backup vom system hab ich nicht, das h\u00c3\u00a4tte ich ja l\u00c3\u00a4ngst eingespielt\n glaube es gibtn problem: http://pastebin.com/xqciYhdE siehe letzte zeile\n greengecko: Und das ist dort dann auch tats\u00c3\u00a4chlich zu Ende?\n ja\n danach kommt ne neue eingabeaufforderung\n greengecko: vielleicht bein chroot was falsch gemacht/vergessen? siehe Zeile 19\n ich bin genau nach anleitung im wikiartikel vorgegangen\n und es gab keine fehlermeldungen beim chrooten\n dev/pts is eigentlich ziemlich hupe.\n was machst du da?\n greengecko: hast du denn /proc/mounts nach /mnt/etc/mtab kopiert, bevor du chroot gemacht hast?\n er sagt doch oben folgende zusaetzliche pakete werden installiert..\n das paket kann also niemals schon installiert worden sein\n deem: ja\n sagten wir nicht nur schon installierte pakete neuinstallieren?\n naja egal\n :)\n ausserdem :D\n ach mist, ja hab grad die andren \u00c3\u00bcberpr\u00c3\u00bcft\n ok dann remove ich das wieder\n -.-\n ?\n deem: etwa nicht removen? :s\n * jokrebel schwant \u00c3\u00bcbles\n ich \u00c3\u00bcberpr\u00c3\u00bcft grad nochmal alle\n * deem sagt nichts mehr und schaut einfach zu\n das wichtige ist wohl module-init-tools und evtl alsa-base dann wuerd ich mal schauen ob er die wirklich neu erzeugt hat die dateien\n kann sein das man ihm das extra sagen muss\n ja die beiden hab ich schon neuinstalliert. ich bin jetzt fast am ende der liste, fehlen nurnoch paar pakete\n ok bin durch\n was nun? alle pakete die installiert waren sind neuinstalliert\n moin - mir sind heute gleich mehrere Probleme in meinem 11.04er aufgefalllen:\n 1. ich kann keine guest session starten, weder \u00c3\u00bcber das systemmenu noch \u00c3\u00bcber \"guest-session\"\n au\u00c3\u009ferdem kann ich keine neuen accounts anlegen\n weder \u00c3\u00bcber die userverwaltung noch \u00c3\u00bcber sudo adduser xyz\n ,wf? benste \n benste: Um moeglichst gute Hilfe zu bekommen, nenne bitte folgendes beim Fragen: Was funktioniert nicht. Seit wann bzw. welchem Ereignis ist das so. Welche Programm-/Ubuntuversionen sind verwendet. Gibt es Fehlermeldungen. Wenn ja bitte in einen Nopaste(siehe Topic).\n deem bin ich ja gerade dabie :-)\n also seit heute gemerkt, adduser klappt nicht\n fehler \n siehe\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/658572/\n deem: ne idee ?\n benste: schau mal bitte ob irgendein programm die datei /etc/passwd auf hat\n ich hatte neu gestartet !\n mach es doch bitte einfach\n und bitte nicht plenken\n deem: also nach ps -aux nicht\n - andre ans\u00c3\u00a4tze das nachzugucken ?\n sdx23: soll ich nun einfach rebooten und gucken obs wieder bootet oder is noch was andres zu tun nach dem pakete-neuinstallieren?\n benste: lsof\n lsof\n ah ok mom\n applet.py 2205 benste 12w REG 252,1 1820 294551 /etc/passwd\n was ist dieses applet ?\n ,enter? benste\n benste: Nutze bitte nicht die ENTER-Taste anstelle von Interpunktion. Versuche die Anzahl der abgeschickten Zeilen nicht groesser werden zu lassen als notwendig, da der Channel sonst schwer zu verfolgen wird. [interpunktion]\n deem: nach dem beenden kann ich in der gui immer noch keine user anlegen\n benste: dann schau bitte nochmal nach ob irgendein programm die datei offen hat\n im CLI der selbe fehler - im GUI auch immer noch \"ung\u00c3\u00bcltige einstellung\"\n lsof | grep passwd\n ist leer - also keins\n es gibt auch noch fuser\n ansonsten h\u00c3\u00a4tt ich gerne nochmal die ausgabe von \"sudo adduser test\" in einem pastebin\n ist immer noch identisch mit\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/658572/\n nur die group id ist anders weil ich die gruppen wieder entfernt hatte\n benste: versuch bitte mal ein \"sudo vipw\"\n vipw: Datei konnte nicht gesperrt werden: Das Argument ist ung\u00c3\u00bcltig\n vipw: /etc/passwd ist unver\u00c3\u00a4ndert.\n komisch. da muss aufjedenfall ein programm die datei gesperrt haben. schau bitte nochmal richtig nach. irgendwas muss da ein lock verursachen\n wo werden denn die locks gespeichert ?\n benste: am besten machst du mal ein \"ps faux\" in ein pastebin und die komplette ausgabe von \"lsof\" bitte\n deem: http://paste.ubuntu.com/658577/\n und nochmal 8000 zeilen\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/658578/\n in etc gibts aber\n -rw------- 1 root root 0 2011-08-04 12:16 passwd.lock\n soll ich die mal l\u00c3\u00b6schen ?\n hast du die userverwaltung von unity offen?\n benste: Repariere doch bitte erst einmal Deinen Punkt.\n deem: hatte\n benste: was hei\u00c3\u009ft \"hatte\"?\n greengecko: sind die dateien denn nun wieder da?\n war sie offen, als du \"sudo adduser test\" ausgef\u00c3\u00bchrt hast?\n nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich nicht\n meinste die in /etc/modprobe.d? soll ich einfach in ls /etc/modprobe.d machen?\n so nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich ist das nicht\n so. mittag\n btw 12:16 ist ca der Zeitpunkt wo ich das erste \n mal versucht habe ne guest session zu starten\n deem: heist das du bist erstmal weg ?\n benste: Auch das h\u00c3\u00a4tte man wieder in eine anstelle von drei Zeilen packen k\u00c3\u00b6nnen. Nochmal - Dr\u00c3\u00bccke bitte nicht st\u00c3\u00a4ndig ENTER. Danke!\n greengecko: ja\n ok\n jokrebel hab ich dir irngewas getan? es waren diesmal 2 nachichten, da die thematisch unabh\u00c3\u00a4ngig waren\n der zeilenumbruch liegt daran das empathy nen bug hat der das fenster immer breiter macht\n wenn ich den nicht manuell setze !\n http://pastebin.com/LqffrwxT leider sind da auch noch dateien von paketen, die ich erst f\u00c3\u00a4lschlicherweise installiert habe und dann wieder entfernt habe \u00c3\u00bcbrig geblieben\n deem: nachdem ich die shadow.lock und die passwd.lock gel\u00c3\u00b6scht habe kann ich im CLI wieder nen user anlegen\n und auch in der GUI\n mgolisch: was f\u00c3\u00bcr dateien geh\u00c3\u00b6ren denn alsa-base und module-init-tools? dann kann ich alle andren l\u00c3\u00b6schen, weil nur die beiden davor installiert waren\n deem: und das 2. problem mit der guest session ist auch danach weg - strange\n naja trotzdem danke\n benste: Es ist einfach sehr st\u00c3\u00b6renden, wenn eine Person was schreibt und da dann f\u00c3\u00bcr anderthalb S\u00c3\u00a4tze drei bis f\u00c3\u00bcnf _neue_ Zeilen produziert. Man kann auch in Ruhe tippen, (\u00c3\u00bcberlegen, ausbessern) und dann wenn man meint, nicht in 10 Sekunden schon wieder was sagen zu m\u00c3\u00bcssen erst Enter dr\u00c3\u00bccken. \n jokrebel: der is schon weg..\n wie kommt fdisk auf diese komische gr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fe f\u00c3\u00bcr units?\n http://nopaste.info/a7830c3a35.html\n greengecko: das ist eigentlich wurst\n achso also er ignoriert die dateien einfach oder die haben keine bedeutung?\n soll ich also nun einfach chroot mit exit verlassen und schauen, ob der rechner bootet?\n vectory: Was genau daran findest Du \"komisch\"?\n die unrunde zahl\n greengecko: das waer ne idee\n wunder woher der faktor 16065 kommt\n ok, danke, ich meld mich dann obs klappt oder nicht, danke f\u00c3\u00bcr die geduld bisehr mgolisch, sdx23 und alle andren :)\n is wohl die groe\u00c3\u009fe der cylinder\n vectory: H\u00c3\u00a4ngt vermutlich auch mit den \"ungeraden\" Umrechnungsfaktoren f\u00c3\u00bcr Kilo/Mega/Giga--Bit/Byte zusammen.\n gibts ne alternative zu windows' chkdsk?\n f\u00c3\u00bcr ntfs? unter linux? nein.\n k, bin dann mal kurz weg *g\n mgolisch: keine chance, bootet nicht. ich bleib da stecken wo dieses bootlogo erscheint und diese roten punkte durch die wei\u00c3\u009fen wandern. das endet nicht mehr, also kein boot\n greengecko: Die Punkte laufen wieter? CAPS- NUM- SCROLL-LEDs reagieren noch?\n \u00c3\u00a4hm ob die led's noch reagieren hab ich net geguckt, aber ja die punkte laufen weiter\n nur es endet nie.. es geht ewig weiter und nix passiert\n hab ca 1-2min gewartet und dann ausgemacht, weil sich nix ver\u00c3\u00a4ndert hat (sorry f\u00c3\u00bcr enter)\n greengecko: 1-2 Minuten ist aber nicht gerade _lang_ gewartet\u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n naja wenn im bootloader nach 2min nix passiert.. \u00c3\u00bcberleg mal, das sind mehr als 100 sekunden und ich hab auch noch ne ssd, wodurch sich der bootvorgang um einiges beschleunigen sollte (und normal ja auch tut)\n normal dauert der boot 18 sekunden bei mir mit ssd\n tag. vielleicht kennt jemand ein firefox-plugin dazu: eine seite l\u00c3\u00a4d f\u00c3\u00bcr ein flash-objekt ein XML von www.xxx.xx - ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte aber das selbe XML von www.yyy.yy laden ... gibt es da ein tool? greasemonkey geht nicht, denn es \"\u00c3\u00a4ndert\" erst den code, wenn die seite bereits fertig geladen ist.\n greengecko: Du hattes doch gerade erst _massive_ Eingriffe im System get\u00c3\u00a4tigt, oder? Schon mal auf die Idee gekommen dass da dann erstmal nach dem Neustart noch einiges aufzur\u00c3\u00a4umen und fertiginstallieren ist?\n ok, ich werds nochmal versuchen, jokrebel\n greengecko: hoffe Du hast nicht einfach den Strom ausgeschalten\u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n naja da nix mehr reagiert hat.. doch.. hab auch alt+f2 gedr\u00c3\u00bcckt um sudo shutdown -h now durchzuf\u00c3\u00bchren, hat aber net reagiert\n also strom aus\n Applaus \n oO( gleich beim erscheinen des splash esc dr\u00c3\u00bccken sollte das bootlog zeigen... )\n dann k\u00c3\u00b6nnte man sehen wo's hakt\n hm ok\n aber wenn du durcj wiederholte male strom-weg dein FS demoliert hast, dann sind 1-2 min warten auf die dateisystemchecks echt gar nix. wir reden nach ner stunde oder so weiter.\n aber wenn es um die installationen geht, ich wei\u00c3\u009f ja jetzt wies geht und kann die einfach nochmal neuinstallieren, bei 2 paketen is das ja dann nicht die welt\n war doch kein dateisystemcheck, das steht doch immer drunter, wenn einer durchgef\u00c3\u00bchrt wird\n greengecko: verzeih, wenn ich deine ansicht zu dem thema nicht direkt ernst nehme.\n LetoThe2nd: verzeih wenn ich ein wenig unwissend bin, bin anf\u00c3\u00a4nger..\n nur weil da was nicht angezeigt wird, heisst es nicht dass es nicht da ist.\n und den recovery-mode, der dir ausgiebigst das bootlog zeigen w\u00c3\u00bcrde hast du auch noch nicht ausprobiert, stimmts?\n hab ich vor 4h oder so schon gesagt.\n an den recoverymode habe ich nicht gedacht\n soll ich nun einfach module-init-tools und alsa-base neuinstallieren und nochmal versuchen?\n kopf->tisch.\n nein. ausschalten, recovery, schauen.\n ok\n fehlermeldungen buchstabengetreu sicherstellen, schlimmstenfalls mit ner digicam.\n ok\n bis gleich\n -.-\n hm.. da klappt ja garnix mehr :/ caps reagiert nicht mehr, roll und num allerdings schon, bei escape freezt das system (ich bleib vorm leeren bildschirm hocken) und bei alt+f2 immernoch keine reaktion..\n greengecko: r\u00c3\u00b6delt den die HD-LED wie wild?\n hab ich nicht gesehen :/\n aber ich glaub das system is einfach hin\u00c3\u00bcber.. das isn hirntoter patient im krankenhaus (gehirn = kernel)\n greengecko: Wenn Du schon solche vergleiche heranziehst - Hast Du schon von Hirn-OPs geh\u00c3\u00b6rt die in wenigen Minuten durchgezogen wurden und dann auch noch erfolgreich waren?\n hm ja aber nicht von unerfahrenen assistenz\u00c3\u00a4rzten.. ;(\n 1) home -> backupplatte 2) reinstall 3) backupplatte -> home\n ne ich hab was ich brauch aufm stick, brauch net den ganzen homeordner\n ansonsten home sichern und reinstall\n jokrebel_: der logik nach w\u00c3\u00a4r das dann die frankenstein-methode, aber die w\u00c3\u00a4r in der zeit schon 3x erfolgrecih durchgelaufen.\n moin\n kann mir jemand sagen wie ich ins webinterface von fetchmail komme \n ip\\fetchmail ist es ja leider nicht \n fetchmail? webinterface?!?\n * koegs will erstmal ein lsb_release -a sehen\n WorkWork1: also wenn du _das_ fetchmail meinst, dann ist das ein dumpfes cli/daemon-tool, und das hat ziemlich sicher _kein_ webinterface.\n koegs: ++\n hmm dann verwechsel ich da wohl was mom:P\n tach zusammen\n Hi, ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte mein verschl\u00c3\u00bcseltes Home zu Mint umziehen. Reicht es einen gleichnamigen User mit gleicher UID und Passwort anzulegen?\n Hallo, wie finde ich heraus welchen Soundchip ich im PC habe, also hersteller, modell etc\n hey, weiss jmd ab wie vielen zeichen das passwort unter linux abgeschnitten wird? \n molnitza: Solltest Du da nicht eher bei den Mint-Leuten nachfragen?\n webbs333: lspci z.b.\n webbs333: lsusb oder lspci vermutlich.\n daran hab ich auch schon gedacht, aber da werd ich nicht schlau draus http://paste.pocoo.org/show/452544/\n jokrebel, mint hat als basis ubuntu.von mir aus reicht mir auch eine aussage beim umzug von ubuntu auf ubuntu...\n molnitza: die diskussion hatten wir schon oft genug und wir sind sie furchtbar leid. die mints sollen ihren support selber machen.\n molnitza: Sogesehn k\u00c3\u00b6nntes dann auch gleich in Debian fragen\u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n molnitza: das einzige was du hier wohl noch kriegen wirst ist: google nach \"home ecryptfs move\" .. von mir aus nimm noch passphrase dazu, weil daran wirds tendenziell scheitern.\n es geht mir darum, ab wie vielen zeichen er selbe hash f\u00c3\u00bcr zwei passw\u00c3\u00b6rter generiert wird\n man shadow\n ups\n fist: vergiss nicht den salt, der ja bei beiden Passw\u00c3\u00b6rtern unterschiedlich ist auch wenn die gleich sind\n webbs333: da steht doch in deinem nopaste: Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)\n Hallo, ich habe 3 anliegen. 1. Ubuntu mit meinen zwei Monitoren. 2. ein Vorschlag. 3. Ein Problem mit Hotkeys. \n tokam: welches ubuntu? welche graka? welchen treiber? (wie installiert) welches problem?\n tokam: 1. ja 2. im OT-Channel vermutlich 3. genauere angaben bitte.\n Ich nutze ubuntu 11.4 und einen intel grafik chip (Lenvo notebook)\n 1. Habe seit heute einen neuen Monitor. Gibt es (ggf. nach installation einer Erweiterung) mehr Einstellungsm\u00c3\u00b6glichkeiten als unter System->Einstelulngen->Monitore. Ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte gern die Ubuntu-Men\u00c3\u00bcleiste auf dem externen Bildschirm (links) anzeigen. Und beide Monitore nutzen.\n Ggf (wenn m\u00c3\u00b6glich) h\u00c3\u00a4tte ich sogar gern zwei Taskleisten. Gerne m\u00c3\u00b6chte ich Fenster von A nach B schieben k\u00c3\u00b6nnen. \n http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/2-monitore-2-taskleisten/?highlight=panel#post-398416 (server fehler :D ) \n tokam's url: http://tinyurl.com/3efneqm | Serverfehler\n tokam: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/dualview\n habe ja keine nvidia karte, was soll ich genau tun?\n ich dachte, seitdem ich von gentoo weg bin muss ich nicht mehr in den configs rumschreiben. soll ich mich jetzt etwa durch die xorg.conf w\u00c3\u00bchlen? ist das der einzige weg zu zwei taskleisten?\n tokam: setz doch mit xrandr deinen externen als prim\u00c3\u00a4ren. dann sollte der die taskleiste bekommen\n tokam: Wo steht da dass der Artikel ausschlie\u00c3\u009flich f\u00c3\u00bcr Nvidia-Karten ist? W\u00c3\u00a4r mir neu (obwohl wenig Erfahrung mit 2 Monitoren)\u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n bei den grafischen einrichtungstools (einen link weiter) finde ich keins f\u00c3\u00bcr meinen intel chip\n http://waoewaoe.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/dual-monitors-dual-taskbars-on-ubuntu/\n den schritt (select window list) finde ich nicht\n das f\u00c3\u00bcgt nur das entsprechende Applet in das Panel ein, wenn du es nicht brauchst, dann kannst du diesen Schritt auch auslassen\n tokam: du verwechselst auch die unity starter leiste mit dem panel oben\n nutze kein unity, nutze ubuntu classic\n und ich habe meine beiden Monitore damals einfach \u00c3\u00bcber \"Monitors\" bei den Einstellungen eingerichtet (in Gnome)\n ich will quasi, dass die panels (oben und unten) sich \u00c3\u00bcber beide monitore erstecken, oder dass ich je monitor 2 st\u00c3\u00bcck habe\n letzteres sollte gehen, einfach neue Panels auf dem anderen Monitor hinzuf\u00c3\u00bcgen\n Hi. Kennt jemand ein h\u00c3\u00bcbsches Skript, damit ich auch mit Nautilus smybolische Links von Dateien oder Ordnern machen kann? So nach dem Prinzip Datei ausw\u00c3\u00a4hlen -> Kopieren -> Symbolischen Link einf\u00c3\u00bcgen.\n geser: wie?\n \u00c3\u00bcbrigens habe ich hier gerade wohl alles kaput gemacht, habe versehentlich unity in den copiz einstellungen kurz aktiviert und deaktiviert\n jetzt hab ich gar kein top panel mehr und das panel unten wird nur halb gezeichnet\n bin gleich wieder da muss mal die sessio neu starten\n ok, so jetzt hab ich wieder eine taskbar auf dem notebook monitor und auch eine taskleiste. wie kann ich mir eine f\u00c3\u00bcr den 2. monitor erstellen?\n versuch mal rechts-klick auf ein Panel und dann \"Neues Panel\", du musst es danach vermutlich auf den anderen Monitor verschieben (kann es selber gerade nicht testen)\n es hei\u00c3\u009ft \"Panel anlegen\" dann erscheint ein neues Panel auf dem (notebook) Monitor links am rand. Klicke ich auf das Panel und dann eigenschaften habe ich die M\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit zwischen oben, unten, links, rechts zu w\u00c3\u00a4hlen.\n das bezieht sich aber nur auf den notebook monitor. drag & drop klappt nicht\n http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/panel-auf-2-bildscirm/#post-2303516\n hier steht man kann sie mit alt+linke maustaste verschieben, klappt aber nicht.\n Hey, ich versuche gerade eine Wireless-Bridge einzurichten. Kann sich dazu mal jemand meine /etc/network/interfaces anschauen und mir sagen, was ich falsch mache?: http://pastebin.com/6RsJu33G\n mein Plan: Einfach eine Verbindung zum AP herstellen und die DHCP-Acks an die Lan-Ports weiterverteilen\n kann mir dazu also keiner helfen?\n tokam, bin zwar gerade erst on gekommen, aber ein bisschen Geduld hilft meistens :)\n =) danke. Eventuell funkt compiz hier auch mit rein.\n .. und=\n tokam, gib nochmal die Beschreibung deines Problems, bitte.\n ich habe zwei monitore, und m\u00c3\u00b6chte gerne eine taskbar auf dem neuen externen monitor (links) angezeigt bekommen. \n entweder eine gemeinsamme taskbar (und taskleiste) f\u00c3\u00bcr beide screens, oder jeweils eine pro monitor.\n Ubuntu-Version? Compiz aktiv?\n ubuntu 11.4 (classic) compiz aktiv\n denkbar w\u00c3\u00a4re als l\u00c3\u00b6sung z.B. auch zwei virtuelle desktops (je einer pro monitor) und die fenster hin und her schiebbar.\n Dann solltest du Panels verschieben k\u00c3\u00b6nnen, wenn du Alt dr\u00c3\u00bcckst und r\u00c3\u00bcberschiebst\n das hab ich soweit im netz gelesen, funktioniert aber nicht. 0 reaktion\n Hast du das Panel vorher auch entsperrt?\n welches, das welches ich verschieben will=\n Jep.\n wie geht das?\n hi guyz\n \n dus anyone speak english\n tokam, Rechtsklick auf eine leere Fl\u00c3\u00a4che im Panel, da sollte es eine Option zum Fixieren geben\n ,german? Moses_ \n Moses_: use german please! This is a german channel. If you can't write german, you can use #ubuntu for english or #ubuntu-(your_language) like #ubuntu-fr instead. Thanks a lot :)\n Moses_: join #ubuntu\n Zum Panel Hinzuf\u00c3\u00bcgen; Eigenschaften; Dieses Panel l\u00c3\u00b6schen; Panel anlegen; Hilfe; Info zu den Panels\n tokam, Moment, muss da eben mal was nachgucken.\n h\n Eigenschaften -> Allgemein{ Ausrichtung: Rechts { Rechts, Links, Oben, Unten }, Gr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fe: 24, Ausdehnen:checked, Auto-Verbergen: not-checked; Verbergen-Kn\u00c3\u00b6pfe anzeigen: not-checked; Hilfe; Schlie\u00c3\u009fen }; Hintertgrund{.....\n tokam, ich guck mal eben bei meinem 11.04, wie die Option hei\u00c3\u009ft und wo sie sich versteckt\n ok, danke. \n can someone help me with cydia plz\n ,german? Moses_ \n Moses_: use german please! This is a german channel. If you can't write german, you can use #ubuntu for english or #ubuntu-(your_language) like #ubuntu-fr instead. Thanks a lot :)\n Moses_: this is the german channel. use #ubuntu for english support, please!\n And cydia is no Ubuntu support.\n dadrc schaut bzgl. 1. nun zu 2. weshalb ich hier bin. Vorschl\u00c3\u00a4ge: Seit 11.4 wird der Notebook bei weniger als 10 Minuten Akkukrapazit\u00c3\u00a4t in den suspend to ram mode versetzt. Fr\u00c3\u00bcher lief er bis zum bitteren Ende und ging dann aus. Der Vorschlag ist nun, dass man die verbleibende Zeit bis zum suspend to ram anzeigt, anstatt die Zeit bis zum abst\u00c3\u00bcrzen, da das suspend to ram dann nicht so \u00c3\u00bcberraschend kommt. Zum Ende hin gibt es auch mehr Warnme\n ,512? tokam \n tokam: Ein IRC-Paket hat eine maximale Laenge von 512 Byte. Wenn deine Zeile zu lang ist, schneidet mein Client den Rest ab. Deshalb haben wir nur den Anfang deiner Zeile lesen koennen. Bedenke auch, dass ein Teil protokoll-intern genutzt wird und dir deshalb nicht die ganzen 512 Zeichen zur Verfuegung stehen. Auch die we\n Ein weiterer Vorschlag, im Men\u00c3\u00bc \"Hintergrund der Arbeitsfl\u00c3\u00a4che \u00c3\u00a4ndern\", den Button zur\u00c3\u00bccksetzen einbauen. \n tokam, mach mal Ausdehnen aus, dann solltest du das Panel verschieben k\u00c3\u00b6nnen\n Vorschlag 1: http://web916.kerstin.webhoster.ag/pastebin.de.vu/paste139.html\n dadrc: danke, das klappt nun. \n tokam, und Vorschl\u00c3\u00a4ge sind auf Launchpad besser aufgehoben. Hier machen nur ein paar Freiwillige Support\n (oder in nem ubuntu dev channel)\n dadrc: nur geht das gesendete bild minimal \u00c3\u00bcber die gr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fe des monitors hinaus und am (neuen) monitor finde ich keine tasten zur bild einstellung.\n m\u00c3\u00bcssen diese tasten vorhanden sein, oder kann ich das softwareseitig anpassen?\n sorry, hab es gefunden, war am rand versteckt :) \n k1l: ok, ich gehe gleich noch in ubuntu-dev. dadrc dir vielen dank.\n tokam, hier kann man auch noch Ideen abliefern: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/\n nun zu 3, dem letzen punkt. Compiz verwendet f\u00c3\u00bcr das Plugin negative den hotkey super+m (mod4+m) \n upps, hat sich gekl\u00c3\u00a4rt ich wei\u00c3\u009f zwar nicht wie, war wohl der restart\n als ich das plugin aktiviert habe, war der hotkey von ubuntu belegt (messaging; e-mail) ich habe dann in den tastatur hotkeys von ubuntu die tasten kombination anderweitig vergeben und wieder entfernt (vergebens) jetzt nach dem neustart funktioniert super+m :) \n das nutze ich beim coden, ist schonender f\u00c3\u00bcr die augen\n Alternativ k\u00c3\u00b6nntest du mit http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/CCSM_Barrierefreiheit#Fensterinhalt-umkehren den Hotkey f\u00c3\u00bcr's Invertieren \u00c3\u00a4ndern\n danke. naja wenn super+m statisch belegt ist und man es nicht rauswerfen kann, dann ist das nicht gut. \n ich hatte danach gegoogelt und da war es als bug gelistet aber f\u00c3\u00bcr ne ganz alte ubuntu version (ne 8er glaub ich)\n danke soweit f\u00c3\u00bcr die sehr gute hilfe. \n damit sind alle probleme gel\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009ft, die ich hatte. einen account bei ubuntu brainstorm habe ich soeben erstellt.\n frage wenn man seinen Bildschirm sperrt und dann das PW eingeben soll um sich wieder in seine Sitzung zu w\u00c3\u00a4hlen dann ist das Hintergrundbild nicht da wie beim Benutzerlogin am Anfang kann man das \u00c3\u00a4ndern ?\n hi, habe gerade auf meinem netbook ubuntu installiert aber da geht das touchpad nicht, egal wie man es bewegt der Zeiger rutscht immer oben rechts ins Eck und zuckt da dann h\u00c3\u00b6chstens noch\n ist ein Acer 532h Netbook\n gibt so ein tool zum klicken um verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselte LVM volumes zu machen?\n Nein.\n na dann howto lesen :)\n und mit einer externen maus funktioniert zwar der zeiger aber das klicken nicht m(\n sebastian_: Im WIki schon geschaut? http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/touchpad\n hmm kann man sich irgendwie anzeigen lassen was f\u00c3\u00bcr ein luks format ein system hat?\n elmargol: cryptsetup luksDump?\n Hi. Kann mir irgendjemand sagen, warum die tomcat-installation nicht funktioniert bei mir? sudo apt-get install tomcat6 beschwert sich mit \"dpkg: fehler beim bearbeiten von tomcat6 (--configure): Unterprozess installiertes post-installation-Skript gab den Fehlerwert 1 zur\u00c3\u00bcck\n guten abend all\n jongleur: Paste doch bitte mal die _komplette_ Ausgabe.\n http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/401902\n hat sich erledigt mit dem nicht funktionierenden Touchpad, meine tolle USB-Stick installation startet schon gar nicht mehr, ist vermutlich schneller ich installiere es ganz neu\n danke dennoch \n jongleur: Hast Du da von Hand drin rumgemacht?\n jokrebel: ich hab den vorher mal installiert gehabt (schon l\u00c3\u00a4nger her) und dann mal aus pLatzgr\u00c3\u00bcnden runtergeschmissen\n damals komplett \u00c3\u00bcber das Software-Center\n jetzt wollt ich den wieder installieren und das wars\n also - das Ergebnis siehst du ja\n jongleur: In Zeile 11 steht, dass da vermutlich einen Datei nicht existiert. Hast Du die vielleicht mal von Hand gel\u00c3\u00b6scht?\n jokrebel: nicht, dass ich w\u00c3\u00bcsste, wenn, dann lange her\n jongleur: update & upgrade hast Du vor dem Installationsversuch gemacht?\n /etc/tomcat6 geh\u00c3\u00b6rt jedenfalls root/root, die Verzeichnisse darin (catalina und policy.d) geh\u00c3\u00b6ren root/tomcat6\n jokrebel: apt-get update / upgrade? ja\n wenn ich apt-get upgrade jetzt ausf\u00c3\u00bchre, kriege ich allerdings die gleiche Fehlermeldung wie beim Installationsversuch\n jongleur: vielleicht reicht es ja schon /etc/tomcat6/tomcat-users.xml als leere Datei einfach anzulegen.\n hmm... \n anlegen mit touch alleine hat nichts gebracht\n aber die Datei geh\u00c3\u00b6rt dann root/root\n ich setz das mal auf tomcat6:tomcatt6\n jongleur: Dann paste doch bitte auch noch die kompletten Ausgaben von \"apt-get update\" und \"apt-get upgrade\".\n update: http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/401912/\n upgrade: http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/401917/\n dpkg -l listet mittlerweile tomcat6, tomcat6-java, tomcat6-admin und tomcat6-common als installiert auf, aber beim starten kommt jetzt die Meldung, /var/lib/tomcat6/conf/policy.d/*.policy w\u00c3\u00bcrde fehlen\n jongleur: Klingt nach nem Fall f\u00c3\u00bcr reinstall des Pakets.\n sdx23: und du meinst, das hilft?\n jongleur: Sonst w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich's nicht vorschlagen.,\n ;) ich versuchs mal\n also apt-get remove tomcat6 tomcat6-admin tomcat6-common (das sind alle tomcat6-*, die installiert sind)\n apt-get --reinstall install tomcat6 # ob die anderen zwei damit miterledigt werden, bin ich nicht sicher\n zum teil, aber okay, das sollte das kleinste problem sein\n also tomcat6 hat tomcat6-common mit installiert, nach der einrichtung schl\u00c3\u00a4gt das starten aber direkt wieder fehl\n also am Ende der Installation\n KOmplette Fehlermeldung...\n Ausgabe? Also die komplette des reinstalls.\n http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/401922/\n Passt doch soweit. Nur noch ein tomcat-spezifischer Fehler. \u00e2\u0086\u0092 Tomcat-Logs ansehen.\n das tomcat-log sagt, der server sei nicht konfiguriert\n (und nein, da steht wirklich nicht mehr, daf\u00c3\u00bcr mach ich jetzt keinen pastebin)\n Dann konfigurier ihn.\n hi\n wie kann ich mehrere datein im verzeichniss auf einen string durchsuchen?\n ,shell grep? topi1 \n topi1, Shell grep ist http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Shell/grep - Weitere Infos im query ...\n ich brauche eine software um eine .doc zu sehen / lesen zu k\u00c3\u00b6nnen . m\u00c3\u00b6chte deswegen aber nicht extra das komplette open-office installieren m\u00c3\u00bcssen .\n Wirst Du aber m\u00c3\u00bcssen.\n ja ? hm mist\n ok danke f\u00c3\u00bcr die info\n Es sei denn man m\u00c3\u00b6chte seltsame web-applets verwenden, sind aber wirklich nicht zu empfehlen.\n skynix: Du kannst es auch unter dem Orginal-Windows-Programm in ein PDF umwandlen. Dann brauchst Du kein OO\n jokrebel: ich habe kein win\n ok dann install ich mal ooo . kanns ja wieder l\u00c3\u00b6schen ;-)\n thx\n dann sei froh, dass du nur openoffice brauchst, und nicht noch Windoof ;)\n ,windoof? jongleur \n jongleur, windoof ist deiner Meinung nach doof, es heisst aber trotzdem Windows.\n :P\n skynix: Kannst ja dem, der will dass Du es lie\u00c3\u009ft sagen er/sie soll es Dir als PDF schicken, da Du DOC nicht \u00c3\u00b6ffnen kannst \n * jongleur verabschiedet sich mal f\u00c3\u00bcr heute. Danke f\u00c3\u00bcr eure Hilfe soweit.\n Hmm - ich habe folgendes Problem mit Ubuntu 11.04, 32 bit: Ich kann mich nicht mehr zu Drahtlosnetzwerken verbinden (Intel-Chip, 3950 glaub ich)\n ,wf? Gamoder \n Gamoder: Um moeglichst gute Hilfe zu bekommen, nenne bitte folgendes beim Fragen: Was funktioniert nicht. Seit wann bzw. welchem Ereignis ist das so. Welche Programm-/Ubuntuversionen sind verwendet. Gibt es Fehlermeldungen. Wenn ja bitte in einen Nopaste(siehe Topic).\n was hast du vorher gemacht bevor es nicht mehr ging?\n Ubuntu installiert\n Bisschen genauer muss es schon sein :)\n Also: ich habe Ubuntu 11.04 neu installiert - und schon in der Installation ging es nicht und nach dieser auch nicht\n Von einem USB-Stick aus\n Ging es denn vorher?\n Unter 10.10 ging es\n Aha.\n Unter Fedora 15 auch, aber da hatte ich auf einmal ganz andere, grobe Probleme, deswegen wollte ich wieder zu Ubuntu zur\u00c3\u00bcck\n hast du vlt kram in der interfaces stehen, sodass der NM da nicht mehr dran will?\n Ich habe nichts eingetragen\n Einfach nur neuinstalliert, keine Einstellungen (au\u00c3\u009fer /home) \u00c3\u00bcbernommen\n aber die hardware ist schon in ordnung?\n und hardwareschalter sind nicht auf off oder so?\n nein, ist nicht auf off, das hab ich schon geschaut (war einmal wirklich das Problem ...)\n nopaste mal nen lspci /lsusb\n ein paar Minuten, moment\n .oO( \"keine Einstellungen (au\u00c3\u009fer /home) \u00c3\u00bcbernommen\" ---> vielleicht mal mit nem neuen User testen? )\n ja, mach ich mal - aber wenn man im Live-System startet ist ja auch kein Nutzer eingerichtet\n Hmm - jedes mal, wenn ich Fedora starte hat danach mein Computer probleme zu starten - h\u00c3\u00a4tte ich nicht tun sollen :-/\n hallo leute, seit gestern sind fast alle anwenungeunf doppelt geladen (gnome) \n hi\n moin\n ich hab kurz ne frage, ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte ubuntu 11.04 in nen bootmanager eintragn und soll daf\u00c3\u00bcr den pfad zum kernel eintragen, wo finde ich den\n fals es wen intersiert es lag am vnc4server\n So, der gew\u00c3\u00bcnschte lspci: http://pastebin.com/MqWCt5Tx und lsusb: http://pastebin.com/vQSXPr1T\n Will eine 500GB Festplatte mit -> dd if=/dev/sda1 | gzip > /media/extern/image-compress_sda1.img.gz -> sichern. Frage: Was sollte auf dem Ziellaufwerk ungef\u00c3\u00a4hr platz sein?\n dreamon: 500GB. Und nimm' bs dazu, dauert sonst ewig. (also noch ewiger)\n wichtiger als der maximale Platz sollte der verbrauchte sein, da der leere komplett komprimiert werden sollte\n dreamon: Maximal 500GB.\n BuZZ-T: Wird er nicht, nur in dem sehr unwahrscheinlichen Fall, dass er mit einem Muster gef\u00c3\u00bcllt ist.\n sdx23, 500GB .. \u00c3\u00a4hm dauert es durch komprimierung l\u00c3\u00a4nger? er spart ja im Prinzip auch Datenvolumen durch die Komprimierung.. beim schreiben?\n Da ist viel Platz \u00c3\u00bcbrig ;)\n dreamon: MAn kann den Komprimierungsgrad nicht absch\u00c3\u00a4tzen.\n dreamon: Das kommt sowohl auf Platte, deren Anbindung und die CPU an. Und bei viel freiem Platz ist eine Ebene dar\u00c3\u00bcber (Filesystem) sinnvoller.\n hm, also bei mir hat es zwei von zweimal ca. auf den verbrauchten Platz runterkomprimiert\n dreamon: Wenn Du mehr als einen Core hast, willst Du statt gzip lieber pigz verwenden zur Kompression.\n Dann lass ich das besser mal laufen wenn ich ins Bett geh.. h\u00c3\u00b6rt sich sehr langwierig an.. SATA\n war aber vielleicht Gl\u00c3\u00bcck\n dreamon: bs= setzen nicht vergessen.\n bekks, bs=1024k ist glaub ein guter Wert? pigz hab ich noch nicht geh\u00c3\u00b6rt.\n bs=8M war bei mir bisher immer das Schnellste\n Sowohl \u00c3\u00bcber USB als auch IDE oder (e)SATA\n Hmm - inzwischen geht es auch unter Ubuntu 10.10 nicht (Live-USBStick)\n Gamoder_: Geht was nicht?\n sash_, Merci\n Das WLAN (Intel-Chip, 3945 glaube ich)\n Ausgabe von lspci und lsusb siehe oben\n Gamoder_: sicher, dass die hardware in ordnung ist? die wlan karte sollte ootb laufen (tut sie hier auch\n )\n Ich habe hier ein Dual-Boot-System mit Windows, dessen Ubuntu-Partition von Windows aus formatiert wurde. Hab' ich da so ohne weiteres noch Hoffnung auf erfolgreiches Booten des Windows-Systems - oder hat sich das erledigt, weil dem GRUB seine Dateien fehlen? (GRUB startet bis zur grub rescue> Kommandozeile...)\n Ja, hab es zwar nicht unter Fedora probieren k\u00c3\u00b6nnen (das hat extrem gro\u00c3\u009fe Probleme), aber unter Windows funktioniert sie\n oh - jetzt geht es unter Ubuntu auch, aber erst nach sehr, sehr langer Zeit\n speckmade: mit ner win cd den win bootloader wiederherstellen. bei weiteren fragen oder problemen besser an den win support wenden\n speckmade: (grub geht nicht mehr, da die daten von grub unter /boot auf der ubuntu partition waren, die ja jetzt weg ist)\n beim Starten von unity mit dem radeon Treiber bekomme ich u. a. Compiz (opengl) - Fatal: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing . und es startet nicht. was bedeutet das?\n k1l: aber ich will ja das Linux wiederhaben... ;-) - entweder durch magische Wiederbelebung per Testdisk oder so - oder eben Neuinstallation. Dann muss ich also erstmal eine System-CD besorgen gehen - aber da kann ich ja auch gleich zu einer Ubuntu-CD greifen... Ich danke Dir jedenfalls... :-)\n gn8\n gibts eigentlich ne opensource alternative zum outlook, was mit exchange servern und kalendereinladungen da klarkommt?\n Nein.\n Evolution kann das in sehr engen Grenzen.\n Und es ist mindestens ein OWA unter Exchange n\u00c3\u00b6tig.\n Kontact kann es bis zu einem gewissen Ausmass \n OWA?\n Outlook Web Access\n ah so\n hallo, nutze xubuntu 10.04. der vlc player nutzt ja qt4 und integriert sich damit nicht in den desktop, kann mir einer sagen was mir fehlt, dass der im gtk.stil angezeigt wird? oder ist das so einfach gar nicht m\u00c3\u00b6glich?\n justux: mach mal n screenshot\n dAnjou: http://s7.directupload.net/file/d/2606/oqjnyhpm_png.htm\n ich habe hier einen usb stick mit linux drauf, wie finde ich raus was f\u00c3\u00bcr eine distribution und welche version das ist?\n ohne zu booten\n justux: das ist ein gtk-theme, nur halt das basic ding\n Nightwolf: ls -lha angucken, die Dateien angucken die da drauf sind.\n Nightwolf: in /etc/issue sollte das drin stehen\n dAnjou: Kannste da normalerweise nicht lesen.\n dAnjou: danke\n offenbar doch :P\n sash_: ? klar wieso nicht?\n dAnjou: Da ist dann so ein squash-Filesystem oder sowas, nicht die ganz normale Datenstruktur.\n omg - die Anleitung f\u00c3\u00bcr PXE-Installation im Wiki ist ja wohl nichtmehr zu empfehlen f\u00c3\u00bcr aktuelle Ubuntus, die komplett auf upstart umgestellt sind - jedenfalls komme ich nichtmehr klar damit. Kann mir jemand eine bessere empfehlen? Ich bin etwas lost in Google...\n Ach, kein Livesystem.\n Schon gut.\n in issue.net steht Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, k\u00c3\u00b6nnte das auch ein ubuntu sein?\n hatte eigentlich nie ein debian iirc\n N\u00c3\u00b6.\n oder mom, evtl. noch von der nslu2 ^^\n Hi, hab gerade mit Eclipse ein jar-File erstellt und w\u00c3\u00bcrde das gerne als \"Ausf\u00c3\u00bchrbar\" in den Eigenschaften markieren - jedoch deaktiviert sich die Checkbox jedes mal wieder von selbst, wenn ich sie aktiviere. Jemand ne Idee?\n Bei Ubuntu steht da auch was von Ubuntu drin :)\n MaxRebo: konsole -> chmod +x datei.jar\n dAnjou: Hat sich nichts ge\u00c3\u00a4ndert dadurch :/\n gabs ne fehlermeldung?\n ne\n MaxRebo: ls -lha datei.jar\n was sagt \"ls -l datei.jar\"?\n dAnjou: hm, weil bei hilfe->\u00c3\u00bcber meinte es, dass es qt4 nutzt. deswegen die verwirrung. und wie bekomme ich es hin, dass er das theme nutzt, was auch alle andern programme benutzen?\n Meint Ihr die Flags die am anfang stehen?\n Wenn ja: -rw-------\n MaxRebo: die ganze zeile einfach mal hierrein\n -rw------- 1 dario dario 915878 2011-08-04 22:09 Bomberman.jar\n hmm\n MaxRebo: und was sagt \"whoami\"?\n mount\n Das w\u00c3\u00a4re mal interessant.\n pwd vielleicht auch noch.\n Oh\n justux: hmm, ja vlc nutzt Qt, aber es gibt in gnome eigtl. vorinstallierte programme, die daf\u00c3\u00bcr sorgen, dass auch Qt-programme gtk-themes annehmen\n H\u00c3\u00a4ngt das vielleicht damit zusammen, dass ich das auf nem NTFS-Laufwerk mache?\n davon solltest du nix merken\n MaxRebo: Ja.\n MaxRebo: Genau damit h\u00c3\u00a4ngt das zusammen.\n Oh sorry...bin noch nicht so versiert in Sachen Linux :)\n dAnjou: Wieso sollte er nichts merken -seit wann versteht NTFS POSIX?\n MaxRebo: die benutzen nich dasselbe rechtesystem wie ext3/4\n Unsinn.\n bekks: das war f\u00c3\u00bcr justux \n Okay, danke dAnjou :)\n bekks: und \"Unsinn.\" bringt mir jetz auch nich so viel\n Lol, wo soll man nur anfangen nach Fehlern zu suchen, wenn beim Ausf\u00c3\u00bchren einer JAR-File einfach...GARNICHTS passiert !? \n dAnjou: hm, hab ich jetzt schon verstanden, dass qt4 im hintergrund l\u00c3\u00a4uft, aber ein gtk-theme zur anzeige nutzt. danke erstmal f\u00c3\u00bcr die erkenntnis:) aber woran liegts, dass vlc so anders aussieht als alle andern programme?\n MaxRebo: Ein jar-File muss nicht ausf\u00c3\u00bchrbar sein.\n MaxRebo: java -jar Datei.jar\n MaxRebo: Du kannst die trotzdem noch auf der Kommandozeile mit 'java -jar datei.jar' ausf\u00c3\u00bchren.\n Naja ich hab in Eclipse extra angegeben, dass es eine ausf\u00c3\u00bchrbare JAR-Datei sein soll\n justux: tjoar, dabei kann ich dir leider nich behilflichsein\n Deshalb bin ich jetzt so verwundert\n MaxRebo: wenn du es auf eine NTFS partition speicherst, kann eclipse da genau gar nichts tun\n dAnjou: ok, das ist mein eigtl problem... trotzdem danke f\u00c3\u00bcr die m\u00c3\u00bche:)\n (ok, es k\u00c3\u00b6nnte warnen, dass es nich geht)\n Na dann eben noch mal auf der linux partition...\n MaxRebo: Wozu? \"java -jar Datei.jar\"\n Eine jar-Datei muss nicht ausf\u00c3\u00bchrbar sein.\n justux: guck mal hier http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1711187\n MaxRebo: du solltest auch lesen, was die anderen schreiben\n bekks: Wie schon gesagt, ich wollte eigentlich, dass die JAR-Datei direkt ausf\u00c3\u00bchrbar ist und das habe ich auch in Eclipse so spezifiziert.\n bekks: Zumindestens hatte ich gedacht, das sei damit gemeint\n MaxRebo: Wozu? Die muss nicht ausf\u00c3\u00bchrbar sein, um sie auszuf\u00c3\u00bchren.\n bekks: Ja okay - ich *dachte* es sei so\n Mir ist dann nur nicht wirklich klar, was dann der Unterschied zwischen ner normalen und ner ausf\u00c3\u00bchrbaren JAR ist\n In dem Dateiattribut \"ich bin ausf\u00c3\u00bchrbar\".\n Mehr nicht.\n dAnjou: thats it! merci beaucoup!(um das kauderwelsch komplett zu machen)\n bekks: ...lol\n justux: de rien :)\n guten naben zusammen\n Frage zu MYSQL wiederherstellen: habe ein backup mit dd, dies ist mit loop gemountet. Ist es m\u00c3\u00b6glich die \"DB\" einfach zur\u00c3\u00bcck zu kopieren?\n Nein.\n Die wird ziemlich sicher voll an die Wand fahren.\n dirk_: mysqldump benutzt man f\u00c3\u00bcr mysql backups.\n ist jetzt kein gro\u00c3\u009fser server und auch keine zugriffe\n Macht nichts.\n Geht trotzdem nicht,\n ist nur private arbeiten\n Vollkommen egal - benutz mysqldump. :)\n daran habe i in dem moment nicht gedacht\n als damit habe i kein backup gemacht\n Dann hast Du kein Backup.\n ok danke\n noch mal MYSQL, im wiki vo uu gibt es einen Abschnitt: \"Datenbankdateien auf ein anderes System zur\u00c3\u00bcck spielen\", dort wird vom Kopieren gesprochen. dies werde ich mal probieren. aktuell wird mysql nicht genutzt\n Hi, ich nutze Ubuntu mit 2 Monitoren (Notebook + LG Display). Wenn ich den Notebook ohne externen Monitor betreibe, sind bei mir alle Panels \"falsch\" eingestellt. N\u00c3\u00a4mlich f\u00c3\u00bcr 2 Monitore. \n Kann man Ubuntu automatisch erkennen lassen ob es ein 2. Ger\u00c3\u00a4t gibt? Und je nachdem mit jeweils einem anderen Profil starten?\n#ubuntu-de 2011-08-05\n Ich br\u00c3\u00a4uchte unter KDE einen einfachen editor .. vergleichbar mit gedit(gnome) -> kate l\u00c3\u00a4uft nicht.. hagelt Fehlermeldungen.\n dreamon: Warum nimmst Du denn nicht gedit? Ansonsten mal die Fehlermeldungen von kate nopasten, vlt wei\u00c3\u009f einer woran es liegt.\n Bunyip, ist nicht vorinstalliert.. Unter KDE.. Aber ich habs mit nano geschafft\n Gibt es eine M\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit, mit wget eine Datei mit normalen Rechten runterzuladen, aber direkt in ein Verzeichnis, in das ich eigentlich nicht schreiben darf? So dass der Download-Vorgang als User, aber das Schreiben der Datei mit erh\u00c3\u00b6hten Rechten geschieht?\n sudo wget URL; k\u00c3\u00b6nnte das funktionieren?\n obwohl das wird wget ja im root env. gestartet; sry\n Genau das meinte ich n\u00c3\u00a4mlich.\n sash_: Ich kann mir nur vorstellen, da\u00c3\u009f Du die Ausgabe von wget umlenkst und sie dann mit h\u00c3\u00b6heren Rechten dann schreibst. (Hab ich aber nicht ausprobiert.)\n sash_: warum muss wget den unbedingt mit userrechte laufen, wenn du am ende eh die Datei mit root-Rechten wegschreibst?\n Eigentlich eher so aus Prinzip.\n sash_: umst\u00c3\u00a4ndlich aber eine Idee: wget download mit normanel userrechten und dann anschlie\u00c3\u009fen mit root dahin kopieren wo du es hinhaben willst\n Ja, das ist klar, dass das geht. :) Ich frickel gerade mal.\n sash_: jeder mensch braucht ein hobby, nicht?\n ;-)\n Nicht schlecht, der Kommentar. Gar nicht schlecht. Guten Morgen :)\n So. Keine Lust mehr.\n habe gerde mein 10.4 aktualisiert (neuer kernal) jetzt geht emphaty nicht mehr (netzwerkfehler) schon was bekannt?\n gh0st_less: Da besteht normalerweise kein direkter Zusammenhang. Wurde empathy denn auch aktualisiert? Von welchem Netzwerk (ICQ, MSN...) reden wir? Welche Empathy-Version?\n geht nur empathy nicht mehr? (und bei welchem netzwerk?)\n na ja gerade gings noch updates eingespielt, neu gestartete netzwerkfehler habe msn und icq-account beide gehen nicht. ubuntu schmei\u00c3\u009ft nach dem update auch wieder diverse warnungen aus. das war im letzten update eigendlich weg, ich starte eben noch mal durch\n also warnugen beim booten meine ich\n emphaty 2.30.2\n nee 2.30.3 sorry\n morgen\n 1,7 MB/s datendurchsatz is etwas lahm f\u00c3\u00bcr ne sata hdd oder?\n Kommt drauf an.\n was mir gerade einf\u00c3\u00a4llt: in den aktulisierungen stand was von r\u00c3\u00bcckspilunungen oder r\u00c3\u00bcckstezungen auf fr\u00c3\u00bchere versionen, war eine extra rubrick in der liste\n gh0st_less: Ehm... Was benutzt du so an Zusatz-Repositories/PPA?\n Dann halt nicht.\n is dd if=/dev/urandom besonders lahm?\n Vergleichsweise, ja.\n Aber auch vergleichsweise besonders schnell. Im Vergleich zu /dev/random.\n naja, /dev/null h\u00c3\u00a4tts ja auch getan\n H\u00c3\u00a4tte es.\n wird es jetzt auch :)\n ha, nochmal neu gebootet und emphaty geht wieder, ubuntu wird eben immer mehr zu windows :) dake\n wie ruf ich dd auf? ``sudo dd if='/dev/null' of='/dev/sda1' bs=1M'' bringts nicht :/\n oops, /dev/zero is wohl gefragt :)\n vectory: Um nochmal sicher zu gehen: Du willst genau das machen, was da steht? Also die Partition mit Nullen \u00c3\u00bcberschreiben?\n sash_: exact\n Und wo kommen die ganzen ' her?\n gewohnheit\n st\u00c3\u00b6rt ja nicht\n 64 MB/s sieht schon viel besser aus :)\n gh0st_less: Ich habe ein aktuelles Ubuntu 11.04 mit GNOME 2 und Empathy. Es funktioniert auch nach dem k\u00c3\u00bcrzlichen Aktualisieren. \n gh0st_less: \"gh0st_less\tha, nochmal neu gebootet und emphaty geht wieder, ubuntu wird eben immer mehr zu windows :) dake\" -- Soche dummen Spr\u00c3\u00bcche unterlasse bitte in Zukunft. Sie werfen ein bezeichnendes Bild auf den Schreiber.\n bullgard4: der spruch war dumm, zugegeben aber mit einem smiley gekennzeichnet. und es ist schon was dran daran, weil es wird wirklich von der einfachheit und der einarbeitung so leicht wie windows. ich selber habe schon zwei meiner bekannten \u00c3\u00bcberzeugt auf linux umzusteigen und das sind keine nerts. vieleicht sollte ich aber sagen es wird zu einer windows-alternative\n gh0st_less: Prima! -- Viel Spa\u00c3\u009f mit Ubuntu!\n Mal ne Frage: Ich will meinen Plattenspieler an den Line-In/Mic Eingang meines Ubuntu-Netbooks anschlie\u00c3\u009fen. Weniger zum Aufnehmen sondern zum h\u00c3\u00b6ren. (Habe keine Stereoanlage) Kann man Ubuntu so einstellen das man die Soundausgabe des Rechners und das Signal vom Plattenspieler gemischt am Ausgang h\u00c3\u00b6ren kann?\n gh0st_less: bestimmt, die frage is nur wie :)\n hengt wohl auch von der soundkarte ab, wie du das machst\n ja ob die monitoren kann, sch\u00c3\u00a4tz ich\n Monitoren?\n Was soll das sein bei einer Soundkarte?\n bekks: das direkte abh\u00c3\u00b6ren des eingangssignals. fachlich v\u00c3\u00b6llig korrekt ausgedr\u00c3\u00bcckt.\n LetoThe2nd: Ich wollte nicht implizieren, dass das falsch w\u00c3\u00a4re :)\n gh0st_less: Aber du wirst wahrscheinlich eher \"Hardware-Mixing\" brauchen, oder dmix f\u00c3\u00bcr Alsa, oder Pulseaudio.\n im prinzip kann man monitoring sicher auch in software mit irgendeinem lustigen audiorouting erzeugen, aber wie.. beim besten willen keine ahnung ;-)\n na mal sehen vieleicht geht es mit jack\n JAck braucht man dazu bestimmt nicht. :)\n gstreamer?\n gh0st_less: und wenn das ein althergebrachter plattenspieler mit RIAA-typischem ausgang ist, gehts sowieso nicht vom eingangspegel her.\n dmix und alsa, oder einfach nur pulseaudio.\n LetoThe2nd: ich hab nen kleinen entzerrverst\u00c3\u00a4rker, \n gh0st_less: dann brauchst du nen vorverst\u00c3\u00a4rker, und da kannst dann auch gleich was mit usb nehmen was sich einfach wie ne soundkerte verh\u00c3\u00a4lt.\n ah ok\n wie l\u00c3\u00a4uft das eigendlich genau mit den kombinierten Mic/line buchsen?\n gh0st_less: s/eigendlich/eigentlich/\n deem thinks that gh0st_less meant: wie l\u00c3\u00a4uft das eigentlich genau mit den kombinierten Mic/line buchsen?\n vermutlich irgendne kostensparungstrickserei der hersteller, aber das bitte im OT ausdiskutieren :-)\n ok, danke erstmal\n hi\n hi\n ich wollte ein Mudul compilieren doch der Compiler kann nicht finden\n muss ich da noch irgend einen pfad anpassen?\n topi1, hast du die Header f\u00c3\u00bcr deinen Kernel denn installiert?\n \"Modul\".\n * LetoThe2nd w\u00c3\u00bcrde lieber lsb-release -a, uname -a, und den make-output in nem pastebin sehen.\n @ bekks sorry in den Quellen steht nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich modul\n topi1: magst du uns bitte die drei sachen geben?\n @ dadrc wie kann ich das machen. hab ein normales ubuntu laufen...\n topi1: pastebinit installieren, dann nacheinenader:\n lsb-release -a | pastebinit\n uname -a | pastebinit\n und dann in dem ordner wo du versuchst du compilieren, make | pastebinit\n und ein link zu dahin, wo du das modul herhast w\u00c3\u00a4re sicher auch hilfreich.\n topi1, das ist 'ne sehr gute Idee. Dann kriegen wir die genaue Fehlermeldung und k\u00c3\u00b6nnen dir sagen, welches Paket genau fehlt und m\u00c3\u00bcssen nicht raten\n ok wer dich machen\n topi1: die ganzen pastebinit-befehler geben dir einen link. den uns nennen. bittedanke.\n http://pastebin.com/4KARBGLH\n lsb-release l\u00c3\u00a4uft bei mir nicht...\n lsb_release -a\n topi1: sorry, siehe bekks.\n http://pastebin.com/CC8Ldvk2\n hi, wie kann ich unter unity und oder gnome ein programm beim autostart minimiert starten lassen ???\n topi1: sehr sch\u00c3\u00b6n, thema beendet. die mints sollen ihren support bitte selber machen :-)\n oki schade\n XamDM: Such mal in CCSM. Da gibts sowas vermutlich.\n topi1: vielleicht mag ja wer in #ubuntu-de-offtopic, aber hier ist das bitte nicht erw\u00c3\u00bcnscht.\n muss ich glaub ich doch zu ubuntu wechseln ;)\n XamDM, kommt auf das Programm an, manche Programme haben da eine Option f\u00c3\u00bcr.\n [10:26] @ dadrc wie kann ich das machen. hab ein normales ubuntu laufen...\n dadrc, tthunderbird leider nicht\n topi1: Hast Du ein Linux Mint?\n XamDM, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/thunderbird/addon/minimize-on-start-and-close/\n bekks: hat er\n Sowas :)\n XamDM, gibt bestimmt auch noch andere, falls das nicht will...\n entschuldigung ich habe ges\u00c3\u00bcndigt :)\n dadrc, danke mal testen\n topi1: ist alles kein problem, jeder darf haben was er will. wir supporten es nur _hier_ nicht. danke f\u00c3\u00bcr dein verst\u00c3\u00a4ndnis.\n gibts nicht eine m\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit ohne plugin ein programm minimiert zu starten ???\n XamDM: ccsm oder devilspie\n koegs wie und wo im ccsm ???\n vielleicht(!) in den Regeln f\u00c3\u00bcr Fenster\n ,ccsm? XamDM\n XamDM: Mit dem CompizConfig Einstellungs-Manager #kurz: ccsm, engl.: CompizConfig Settings Manager# lassen sich die visuellen Effekte von Compiz bis ins kleinste Detail einstellen. http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/CompizConfig_Einstellungs-Manager\n koegs: kann er wohl vor lauter plenks und fragezeichen nicht sehen, die verdecken das ;-)\n mahlzeit (u)buntufreunde :)\n ich bin so nett: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/02/how-to-start-applications-minimized.html\n koegs, danke das wars was ich gesucht habe :)\n koegs, du bist wirklich so nett ....\n hi, ich bin in einem netzwerk, in dem sich die pcs mittels radius identifizieren. Ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte nun eine ubuntu box zwischen lan(radius) und wlan(mein neues wlannetz) schalten. Ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte aber keinen router mit eigenem dhcp server aufsetzten, sondern quasi nur das netz erweitern. Meine clients bekommen quasi die IP aus dem radiusnetz, die authentifizierung \u00c3\u00bcbernimmt aber die ubuntubox und nicht jeder einzelne client.\n Ist das mit wpa_supplicant und bridge-utils m\u00c3\u00b6glich?\n joe3: Ich glaub du brauchst noch einen dhcp-relay\n http://savvyadmin.com/virtualbox-wireless-bridging-with-dhcp/\n Sandreas danke f\u00c3\u00bcr den tipp, kommt gleich mit auf die Liste\n Sandreas: Der Link ist steinalt.\n bekks: Das war auch nur zu \"Demo-zwecken\" gedacht\n kann ich nen wlan-adapter unter ubuntu so einstellen, dass er maximal 100mW hat?\n hab nen Argtek GM5, m\u00c3\u00b6chte aber nicht gegen deutsches Recht versto\u00c3\u009fen\n Sandreas: Das funktioniert \u00c3\u00bcbrigens so auch nicht mehr sauber mit vbox.\n F\u00c3\u00bcr das Bridging braucht man mit vbox definitiv keine uml-utilities mehr.\n Sandreas: Welcher Chipsatz ist das?\n bekks: 3070L\n Das ist kein Chipsatz, sondern eine Zahl mit einem L dran.\n Ralink\n sry\n Brrrrrr.\n Sandreas: Hast Du schon mal nachgeschaut, ob der \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt mit Ubuntu funktioniert?\n Ja.\n Er geht ja schon )\n ;)\n compat-wireless sei dank.\n hab den alten Treiber geblacklistet\n rt2800usb tuts\n Aber warum \"brrrr\"?\n ,enter? Sandreas\n Sandreas: Nutze bitte nicht die ENTER-Taste anstelle von Interpunktion. Versuche die Anzahl der abgeschickten Zeilen nicht groesser werden zu lassen als notwendig, da der Channel sonst schwer zu verfolgen wird. [interpunktion]\n bekks: welchen Chipsatz w\u00c3\u00bcrdest du denn empfehlen?\n ,hcl? Sandreas schau dort.\n Sandreas schau dort.: HCL ist die Hardware Compatibility List. Siehe http://www.ubuntuhcl.org/ und https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/ sowie http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Hardwaredatenbank\n ich versuche grade mein nokia e72 mit meinem windows xp, dass in einer vbox l\u00c3\u00a4uft upzudaten. allerdings scheint mein ubuntu den usb port nicht richtig durchzureichen. usb sticks usw funktionieren wunderbar\n deem: probier mal \u00c3\u00bcber Regeln das E72 fest zuzuweisen, durch dieses andauernde wechseln des modus kommt vbox durcheinander\n war schon beim iPad ein Problem\n hm... ok. danke f\u00c3\u00bcr den tipp\n deem: Welche vbox Version?\n bekks: die neuste. 4.1\n aber et l\u00c3\u00a4uft schon. mit der filterregel erkennt er das jetzt. danke koegs \n Der Hintergrund ist, dass solche Ger\u00c3\u00a4te sog. Dual-Personality-Ger\u00c3\u00a4te sind, d.h. sie schalten intern um, vbox sieht dann nur dass das Ger\u00c3\u00a4t weg ist, und konnektiert das sofort auftauchende \"neue\" Ger\u00c3\u00a4t nicht wieder automatisch.\n sagte ich doch :<\n Ja, sagtest Du. :)\n http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=c183f1d9568d122cd6d1bdf72fd1e7f8&p=6527371&postcount=1\n vectorrz's url: http://tinyurl.com/3kpvc4m | Ubuntu Forums - View Single Post - \u00e2\u0080\u009cHow to\u00e2\u0080\u009d Dual boot Ubuntu and Windows 7 (Ubuntu installed first)\n den folgend installier ich grad grub neu\n ,bot? vectorrz \n vectorrz: ich bin ein bot ;p\n k1l?\n bringt nichts, wenn du dem bot das im query postest :)\n siehe nebenan\n jedenfalls, ich dachte um grub neuzuinstallieren, reiche es von live-cd zu chrooten und dann `grub install' oder so auszuf\u00c3\u00bchren, von dem was ich hier so mitgelesen hab\n ,grub2? vectorrz \n vectorrz: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/GRUB_2\n vectorrz: unter reperatur gibts 2 m\u00c3\u00b6glichkeiten aufgez\u00c3\u00a4hlt\n k1l: ich hab von 9.04 an geupgraded, jetzt 10.4 aber denke es ist noch grub 1\n ,grub? vectorrz \n vectorrz, GRUB ist http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/GRUB - Weitere Infos im query ...\n bin der anleitung gefolgt, sieht schon gut aus, http://pastebin.com/C3wd71R8\n nur, jetzt nutzt der doch die alte grub config, von vor der win7 installation\n meine frage war, ob es nicht einen befehl f\u00c3\u00bcr grub gibt, der die installierten OSes gleich erkennt und eintr\u00c3\u00a4gt\n vectorrz: steht alls in dem wiki artikel, aber er k\u00c3\u00b6nnte ja vielleicht so \u00c3\u00a4hnlich wie updategrub heissen, nicht? :P\n Sonst noch zuf\u00c3\u00a4llig jemand hier mit nem Intel 4965 wlan adapter?\n vindolin: Warum?\n bekks: als rechtfertigung f\u00c3\u00bcr die metafrage :-)\n LetoThe2nd: Achso :)\n bekks: ich hab ein dell xps mit 11.04 drauf.. und da bricht mir immer mal wieder die wlan connection weg.. und ich kann mich dann erst nach einem neustart wiederverbinden :/\n vindolin: Dann schau mal in den einschl\u00c3\u00a4gigen Logs (dmesg zB) was genau passiert und schau auch im Router, was in dem Moment passiert.\n mein thinkpadp bootet nicht. nach auswahl des kernels in grub bekomm ich nen blinkenden cursor oben links und dann wird das bild schwarz. das wars dann. liegt das wom\u00c3\u00b6glich an der vollverschl\u00c3\u00bcsselung? denn eine abfrage des passwortes bekomm ich auch nicht\n deem: ggf. wird kein bootsplash angezeigt (weil nvidia oder KMS kaputt oder oder oder), tipp das Passwort mal blind ein. \n schon versucht. passiert nix\n o_O jetzt hab ich bild\n grade eben 5mal neugestartet. nix. jetzt gehts pl\u00c3\u00b6tzlich\n [Natty] Wozu dient das \"Secure Digital Host Controller Interface\"?\n deem: ich hatte den effekt, als ich natty auf ner externen usb platte getestet hatte und die usbplatte zu lange zum anlaufen brauchte. \n bullgard4_: fuer SD Kartenleser, voraussichtlich. Allerdings mit so wenig Kontext: Glaskugel fragen. \n bullgard4_: nimm mal nur die ersten buchstaben, schreib sie zusammen, lass das i von interface weg und dann weisst du's\n Danke!\n k1l: da is ne ssd drin, aber ich denke nicht, dass das damit was zu tun hat.\n aber nach der eingabe des passwortes hab ich nun oben links nen rot blinkenden cursor und unten eine andeutung des \"normalen\" bootscreens\n strg+alt+entf hat den rechner neugestartet. normales herunterfahren von ubuntu. nochmal hochgefahren -> keine passwort eingabe\n Fuchs: Der Kontext ist folgender: Natty mault beim Booten: \"[1.581365] mmc0: no vmmc regulator found.\"\n windows bootet einwandfrei\n hallo\n ich versuche gerade Ubuntu auf einem USB stick zu installieren\n http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Live-USB\n gz =)\n gratulation dazu\n wenn ich das aber richtig verstehe, erkl\u00c3\u00a4rt die seite, wie man das von einem linux system aus macht\n ich habe aber win 7\n ich wills einfach mal ausprobieren\n phalaris: von ubuntu f\u00c3\u00bcr ubuntu genau\n du suchst unetbootin\n ah okey\n Ab Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat bringt Ubuntu auf der Desktop-CD den USB-Creator auch f\u00c3\u00bcr Windows mit.\n http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/\n ich verstehe den ablauf eben nicht ganz\n man sollte auch den text zwischen den lustigen k\u00c3\u00a4stchen lesen\n was brauche ich \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt, damit ich eine ubuntuversion f\u00c3\u00bcr einen usb stick auf einen solchen brennen/laden kann?\n phalaris: im idealfall nur das von mir verlinkte tool\n das sollte selbst\u00c3\u00a4ndig das entsprechende iso laden\n http://www.linuxliveusb.com/\n geht das auch?\n phalaris: unetbootin oder den usb-creator, der ab 10.10 mitdabei ist\n aah, das heisst, ich muss ubuntu 11.04 laden, dann auf den USB stick entpacken\n das kenn ich nicht\n und dann macht mir der creator das?\n phalaris: 14:28:01 < deem+> Ab Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat bringt Ubuntu auf der Desktop-CD den USB-Creator auch f\u00c3\u00bcr Windows mit.\n phalaris: bei dem, was wir dir vorschlagen, bootet der rechner vom usbstick\n wenn m\u00c3\u00b6glich, h\u00c3\u00a4tte ich ubuntu gerne auf deutsch\n steht so im wiki\n phalaris: dein verlinktes tool scheint das anders zu machen\n ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte vorerst eigentlich nur ubuntu lauff\u00c3\u00a4hig auf den stick kriegen\n das booten mach ich dann selber im bios\n phalaris: du verstehst nich\n phalaris: bei deinem verlinkten scheint windows noch im hintergrund zu laufen\n phalaris: Man kann auch einen USB-Datentr\u00c3\u00a4ger statt einer Desktop-CD als Installations- bzw. Testmedium zu nutzen. Unter Windows kann man die ab 10.10 Maverick Meerkat auf der Desktop-CD enthaltene usb-creator.exe verwenden.\n steht alles so im wiki\n ich versteh nicht, was daran nicht zu verstehen ist\n du erstellst einen usb stick von dem du bootest\n du verwendest dann deinen ram als virtuelle festplatte, sprich deine festplatte mit windows wird nicht angefasst\n da kannst du dann nach aller herzenslust rumprobieren und kaputt machen, denn nach einem reboot, hast du entweder wieder ein neues system(wenn du nochmal von usb bootest) oder wieder dein windows wie es war\n deem: nich aufgeregt sein ;)\n bin ich nicht :) ganz und gar nicht. ich bin total chillig =)\n phalaris: probier ruhig dieses livelinuxusb .. aber auf *eigenes* risiko\n dann noch eine frage: mit diesem usb ubuntu, kann man da normal arbeiten?\n ja, muss ggf. eingestellt werden\n beim erstellen\n kann ich damit dann videoschnitt machen?\n oder mag das ned nach?\n das wird sehr sehr sehr langsam sein\n sch\u00c3\u00a4tz ich\n mist...\n was br\u00c3\u00a4uchte ich denn daf\u00c3\u00bcr?\n ich bin mir nich sicher\n eine richtige installation\n aber probieren geht \u00c3\u00bcber studieren\n dAnjou: hab ich eben auch das gef\u00c3\u00bchl\n deem: das legt mir eine neue partition an?\n und verwendet es die daten von windows?\n das kommt ganz darauf an was du ausw\u00c3\u00a4hlst\n es kann dir dein windows auch l\u00c3\u00b6schen\n phalaris: der flaschenhals bei ner installation auf nem usb-stick d\u00c3\u00bcrfte ganz einfach die usb-schnittstelle sien\n naain, das will ich auf keinen fall\n mhmm\n es wird ja so ziemlich alles zum arbeiten in den ram geladen\n aber sobald du halt was vom stick lesen willst oder gar was schreiben, dauerts halt\n dann mach ich mal ne cd\n dann kann ich ja gucken, ob es mir passt und allenfalls ganz installieren\n phalaris: du kannst auch vom stick installieren\n musst keinen rohling verschwenden (der umwelt zuliebe)\n okey\n wenn man ubuntu nur zum testen verwendet, dann hat man die daten aus windows ned?\n naja, das windows-zeug liegt auf ner eigenen partition\n wenn du n usb-stick anschlie\u00c3\u009ft, ist ja der stick deine ubuntu-partition und die windows-partition liegt einfach nur rum\n du kannst sie einbinden und daten lesen und schreiben\n dAnjou: ich habe schon l\u00c3\u00a4ngst darauf umgestellt, dass ich ubuntu installieren muss\n ich hab mir gerade das durchgelesen: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Ubuntu_Installation_Natty\n wenn du windows behalten willst, wird das ein dualboot-system\n und dann hast du von ubuntu zugriff auf die windows-platte\n andersrum leider nich, weil windows das von hause aus nich kann\n es steht das, dass ich bei festplattenspeicher zuweisen auf \"etwas anders\" klicken muss \n dann kommt die partitionierung\n was muss ich da machen, dass es mir windows ned killt?\n phalaris: du solltest vorher auf jeden fall wichtige daten irgendwoanders speichern\n ich mach n image\n das ist kein problem\n trotzdem w\u00c3\u00a4rs \u00c3\u00a4rgerlich\n aber normalerweise geht alles glatt. die ubuntu-installation erkennt dein windows und wei\u00c3\u009f auch, wieviel platz du noch hast\n aber eben, muss ich dann manuel was einstellen wenn ich \"etwas anderes\" geklick habe?\n ja\n du musst ubuntu platz zuweisen\n ich spreche von der grafik da: http://media.cdn.ubuntu-de.org/wiki/attachments/50/17/3-2_natty_partitionierung.png\n phalaris's url: http://tinyurl.com/3vt6wvh\n ich verstehe davon nicht viel\n woher weiss ich, was ubuntu will?\n kann es das ned selber machen?\n die grafik ist ein bisschen ung\u00c3\u00bcnstig\n hab angst, dass ich mir dabei noch das windows l\u00c3\u00b6sche\n phalaris: Dann partitioniere vorher von Hand (Windows verkleinern und im frei gewordenen f\u00c3\u00bcr Ubuntu vorbereiten)\n es steht aber: Wer hier nicht sicher ist was er tut, sollte die Voreinstellung f\u00c3\u00bcr den Bootloader beibehalten! Bei der Installation werden vorhanden Installationen in der Regel zuverl\u00c3\u00a4ssig erkannt \u00e2\u0080\u0093 inklusive Windows-Installationen, auch f\u00c3\u00bcr Windows 7. F\u00c3\u00bcr diese werden dann automatisch die passenden Starteintr\u00c3\u00a4ge vom Bootloader angelegt, so dass die vorhandenen Betriebssystem nach der...\n ...Installation von Ubuntu weiterhin problemlos gebootet werden k\u00c3\u00b6nnen. \n ou sry, das waren mehr als 3 zeilen\n waren's nich :P\n das heisst doch, dass ich nichts machen muss?\n hei\u00c3\u009ft es\n aber\n angenommen, du hast ne 100G platte und 65G sind von windows und seinen daten belegt\n phalaris: eigentlich ja\n willst du dann die ganzen restlichen 35G f\u00c3\u00bcr ubuntu?\n oder nur 10G\n ?\n das musst du selbst festlegen\n w\u00c3\u00a4hrend der installation\n ahaa\n 10 GB f\u00c3\u00a4nd ich f\u00c3\u00bcr das ganze System bisschen wenig; wenn man bisschen was damit anfangen will, darfs auch gerne mehr sein\n ich habe auf C noch 151 frei, auf D(wo meine daten sind) noch 155 und auf E nur noch 1.8\n wo ist es dann sinnvoll zu installieren?\n phalaris: lass die datenpartition eine datenpartition bleben\n *bleiben\n der platz auf E reicht nicht\n dann auf C\n bist du zocker?\n nein\n 3d artist \n arbeite gerne mit grafik\n weil spiele f\u00c3\u00bcr windows ja immer recht viel platz wegnehmen\n phalaris: Die Partitionen wo Du meinst etwas abzwacken zu k\u00c3\u00b6nnen verkleinern und in das \u00c3\u00bcbrige die Ubunut-Installation packen.\n 10gb langt f\u00c3\u00bcr /, wenn man /home extra hat\n ich brauche ubuntu dann eigentlich nur zum video schneiden und audio schneide\n n\n die dateien werden dann auf D gespeichert\n phalaris: ich w\u00c3\u00bcrd sagen, greifste dir so 50G von C\n C: defragmentieren, um beliebigen Wert verkleinern (ich w\u00c3\u00bcrd da unter 20 GB net anfangen), neuen Extended-Container anlegen, da mind. 2, besser 3 Partitionen rein machen (10 - 15 GB f\u00c3\u00bcr /, RAM \u00c3\u0097 1,5 f\u00c3\u00bcr swap (insbes., wenn man suspenden will; wenn net & RAM >= 4 GB, kann man auch drauf verzichten), Rest f\u00c3\u00bcr /home\n nur ist (gerade bei Video) gut. Da kommen schnell mal ein paar GB allein tempor\u00c3\u00a4r zusammen.\n szal: ich verstehe bahnhof\n szal: wieso so kompliziert??\n dAnjou: wieso kompliziert?\n 15:01:57 < phalaris> szal: ich verstehe bahnhof\n deswegen\n ubuntu is kein debian 4\n und?\n das geht alles von alleine\n * LetoThe2nd hat jetzt nicht von anfang an mitgelesen, aber - gibts von dem system ein aktuelles, intaktes backup? ist im zweifelsfall jemand da, der nen zerklopften windows-bootloader flicken kann?\n falls ich ubuntu auch wieder einmal l\u00c3\u00b6schen sollte (nicht steinigen), wird dann die partition gel\u00c3\u00b6scht?\n * szal macht Partitionierung lieber von Hand, dann wei\u00c3\u009f er auch, was gemacht wird\n LetoThe2nd: ich mache ein image\n szal: das wort \"\u00c3\u00bcberfordern\" is dir ein begriff?\n phalaris: mach das bitte zuallerallererst, und pr\u00c3\u00bcfe es. vorher nicht weiter machen.\n sorry, bin bissel begriffsstutzig\n LetoThe2nd: wie meinst du pr\u00c3\u00bcfen?\n ich mache das mit acronis true image 2010\n phalaris: mit dem imagetool das du benutzt, das image verifizieren.\n phalaris: wer w\u00c3\u00a4re das nicht, wenn sich hier gleich dutzende supporter auf das frischfleisch st\u00c3\u00bcrzen\n LetoThe2nd: also einfach gucken, ob dateien da sind?\n ich bin raus, sorry\n mit true image das image \u00c3\u00b6ffnen?\n dAnjou: =(\n phalaris: also soviel ich weiss, hat acronis eine backp-pr\u00c3\u00bcfen funktion. im zweifel das passende manual befragen.\n LetoThe2nd: wie soll ich das denn machen?\n phalaris: das manual von acronis lesen?\n ja, wenns keins hat\n phalaris: sorry, aber das ist ja wohl echt nicht mein problem.... da musst halt dann google f\u00c3\u00bcttern.\n okey, zur\u00c3\u00bcck zur installation\n ?!?!?\n ok, ich bin raus,\n ich soll also, bevor ich ubuntu installiere, unter windows mein C aufteilen?\n nein, das brauchst du nicht\n das geschieht fast von selbst w\u00c3\u00a4hrend der installation\n wenn ich aber 50 gb will\n also so, wie du vorgeschlagen hast\n es sind nur zwei schritte:\n oder 30\n 1. ein backup von windows+daten machen\n 2. ubuntu-installation anwerfen\n dAnjou: klar, und dann schl\u00c3\u00a4gt die Automatik ne L\u00c3\u00b6sung vor, die man net will; kann man das dann beeinflussen?\n ja\n kann man\n eben da liegt das problem\n da hab ich angst, dass ich mein windows l\u00c3\u00b6sche\n deswegen tu ich meine Platten vorpartitionieren, dann brauch ich nur Mountpunkte zuweisen & gut is\n szal: ubuntu erledigt das alles f\u00c3\u00bcr dich automagisch\n das zeigt aber irgendwie keine laufwerkbuchstaben an\n * jokrebel_ macht das auch lieber manuell. \"Da wei\u00c3\u009f man was man hat\"\n woher weiss ich denn, dass er es mir unter C ablegt?\n phalaris: Linux kennt keine Laufwerksbuchstaben\n phalaris: Unter Ubuntu gibt es kein \"C\"-Laufwerk.\n hmm, woher weiss ich dann, wo die partition eingef\u00c3\u00bcgt wird?\n oO( ist da kein erfahrener freund/verwandter/bekannter/nachber/lug in der n\u00c3\u00a4he? wenn ich das so h\u00c3\u00b6re kann das nur in die hose gehen. )\n phalaris: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Datentr%C3%A4ger f\u00c3\u00bcrs erste \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 und die Einsteigerseite w\u00c3\u00a4r f\u00c3\u00bcr Dich bestimmt auch noicht schlecht.\n LetoThe2nd: ne leider ned\n phalaris: Du bist ein Anf\u00c3\u00a4nger in Sachen Ubuntu. Bitte gehe in einen \u00c3\u00b6rtlichen Computerclub und lasse Dir dort Ubuntu installieren. Vorher mache eine Sicherungskopie von Deinem Windows.\n ich glaube wir erreichen hier beim phalaris das beste ergebnis, wenn sich einer alleine um ihn k\u00c3\u00bcmmert\n bullgard4_: da habe ich leider keine zeit..\n k1l: stimmt. ich sage nur noch einen letzten satz.\n ich sollte bald mal video schneiden k\u00c3\u00b6nnen\n haha\n phalaris: lass es f\u00c3\u00bcr heute sein. du wirst dir das wochenende versauen.\n k1l: w\u00c3\u00bcrdest du mir helfen?\n phalaris: f\u00c3\u00bcrs erste solltest du deine daten die auf deinem windows sind sichern. bei dem ganzen umpartitionieren kann immer was schief gehen auch wenn man als user alles richtig macht. also \u00c3\u00bcberleg dir eine backup l\u00c3\u00b6sung.\n phalaris: support bitte nur hier. da k\u00c3\u00b6nnen auch andere noch was lernen.\n okey\n dann also weiter\n phalaris: k\u00c3\u00bcmmer dich zuerst ums aktuelle backup.\n oki\n das geht mal ne weile\n dann schick das schonmal los.\n bis das dann fertig ist \u00c3\u00bcberlegst du dir, wie du deine festplatte partitionieren willst. ausgehend vom ist-zustand. den ist-zustand auf dem entspr. ger\u00c3\u00a4t mal mit einem \"sudo fdisk -l\" (kleines L hinten) in einem nopaste-service bitte.\n \"sudo fdisk -l\" muss ich in der konsole eingeben?\n ja\n und das ergebnis kopierst du dann in einen nopaste service\n ,nopaste? phalaris \n phalaris: Nicht selbst geschriebener Text wird im IRC sehr unleserlich und unhandlich. Deshalb sollten mehr als 3 Zeilen immer in einen sogenannten (No)Paste-Service abgelegt werden. Nutze http://paste.pocoo.org [paste]\n jaja, pasteall.org\n Unterst\u00c3\u00bctzt Ubuntu eigentlich Optimus schon irgendwie?\n Also das Nvidia-Zeugs meine ich\n Gamoder, google mal nach bumblebee\n kurz gesagt: nicht wirklich gut\n hmm das sudo fdisk- l geht nicht\n definiere \"geht nicht\"\n Der Befehl \"sudo\" ist entweder falsch geschrieben oder konnte nicht gefunden werden.\n dann lass es weg, wenn ich mich net ganz vertu, biste auf der Live-CD sowieso root\n das bezweifle ich stark\n dAnjou: hab ich auch immer bezweifelt, aber in den englischen Kan\u00c3\u00a4len h\u00c3\u00a4lt sich die Ansicht hartn\u00c3\u00a4ckig\n du bist nicht root, bist nur sudo NOPASSWD\n dAnjou: wie soll ich es denn machen?\n es tut sich ja irgendwie nix, wenn ich in der windows konsole sudo fdisk- l eingebe\n l\u00c3\u00b6l\n nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich nicht in der Windows-Befehlszeile, sondern unter Linux\n k\u00c3\u00b6nnen wir einfach mal einen schnitt hier machen und nochmal ganz von vorn anfangen?\n und diesmal nur einer, aber ich nich, ich hab eigtl. zu arbeiten\n lasst doch einfach k1l. der hat das ticket \u00c3\u00bcbernommen.\n genau\n dann: go k1l \n danke trotzdem dAnjou \n np\n phalaris: ja, der befehl geht dann nur von einem ubuntu aus.\n aah eben doch^^\n du hast drum geschrieben, ich solle das in der zwischenzeit mal machen, w\u00c3\u00a4hrend das backup l\u00c3\u00a4uft\n also erstmal backup machen, dann live cd booten und den befehl absetzen und den link vom nopaste dann bitte hier zeigen. dann kann man eine gute l\u00c3\u00b6sung f\u00c3\u00bcr die partitionen ausknobeln\n okey\n also noch nix installieren\n muss dann wohl das zeugs noch im bios \u00c3\u00a4ndern\n welches zeug?\n booten\n dass es von CD bootet\n phalaris: ist das nicht standardm\u00c3\u00a4\u00c3\u009fig so eingestellt?\n ich kanns ja ausprobieren\n und wenns ned tut, dann halt nochmal neustarten\n so backup gemacht\n jo, is ja nich weiter wild\n muss jetzt noch CD brennen\n phalaris: jetz nochmal um mir klar zu sein. was willst du jetz generell tun? ausprobieren oder gleich installieren?\n kann ich beim ausprobieren die daten von windows brauchen?\n ja\n gehts einigermassen schnell?\n das wirst du rausfinden m\u00c3\u00bcssen, f\u00c3\u00bcrchte ich\n okey\n dann versuche ich das mal mit ausprobieren\n wenns sauber l\u00c3\u00a4uft, dann bin ich zufrieden\n phalaris: auf webchat.freenode.net kannst du dann weiter mit uns chatten\n der eigentliche grund, warum ich ubuntu brauche ist, weil ich blender und audacity \u00c3\u00bcber jack synchronisieren will\n es sollte aber auch ein irc-client dabei sein, aber der will ja erst eingerichtet werden\n okey\n ich kann mir aber audacity, blender und jack holen?\n das geht, auch wenns nur die testversion ist?\n das geht wohl, aber das wird alles in den arbeitsspeicher installiert\n da st\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009ft man eventuell schnell an grenzen\n einfach platzm\u00c3\u00a4\u00c3\u009fig\n ah okey\n wieviel ram haste?\n 4 gb\n das ist wohl zu wenig\n hmm\n ich wei\u00c3\u009f nich wie gro\u00c3\u009f blender is\n 30 mb\n von jack hab ich auch keinen blassen\n ouups, nee das sind mehr geworden\n 200...\n probiers, aber es wird alles n bisl l\u00c3\u00a4nger dauern\n http://jackaudio.org/download\n da musst du mir dann wohl helfen^^\n ich kann ja mal schauen wies ist und dann ganz installieren\n phalaris: das liegt alles in den qullen\n du brauchst nicht wie bei windows alles herunterladen\n bzw schon, aber das macht dann das paketmanagement von ubuntu f\u00c3\u00bcr dich\n ah okey\n jack ist also sozusagen schon bereit?\n oder wie?\n genau, vorm installieren von irgendwas fragste hier nochmal\n nein\n okey, werde ich so machen\n das \"genau\" war nich f\u00c3\u00bcrs \"jack bereit\"\n dann noch eine frage: ein freund von mir meinte, ich solle die CD einlegen, w\u00c3\u00a4hrend windows l\u00c3\u00a4uft\n dann werde ubuntu wie ein programm installiert\n auf keinenfall\n wubi ist das schlimmste was je erfunden wurde\n mach es lieber live oder mit einer richtigen installation, aber mit wubi handelst du dir nur probleme ein\n okey\n danke\n ehm wie ist das mit ubuntu\n gibt es programme die auf der neusten version ned laufen?\n phalaris: es gibt durchaus programme die in der neuen version nicht mehr drin sind, aber in einer alten schon. die programme blender, audacious und jack sind aber in natty noch vorhanden\n phalaris: neuste version der programme oder von ubuntu?\n deem: okey\n ubuntu habe ich gemeint dAnjou \n und noch eine frage: wenn ich von der CD boote, muss ich die schon beim herunterfahren einlegen, damit sie beim n\u00c3\u00a4chsten start vom PC breit ist?\n deem: warum, sind die aus Oneiric raus?\n jo, n paar, aber es h\u00c3\u00a4lt sich in grenzen und die meisten sind dann eh veraltet\n szal: hat er das gesagt?\n dAnjou: nein, aber impliziert durch die Formulierung\n eigtl. nich\n phalaris: ja, w\u00c3\u00a4re g\u00c3\u00bcnstig :P .. ansonsten musst du schnell sein, wenn es \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt m\u00c3\u00b6glich is :P\n szal: er will natty nutzen. meine formulierung besagt, dass er keine angst haben muss, da es in natty auf jedenfall noch drin ist. wie das in oneiric ausschaut wei\u00c3\u009f ich nicht, aber m\u00c3\u00b6glich ist es durchaus, dass eines der programme nicht dabei w\u00c3\u00a4re. aus welchen gr\u00c3\u00bcnden auch immer =)\n ich k\u00c3\u00b6nnt mir vorstellen, dass man auf lange Sicht JACK 1 rausschmei\u00c3\u009ft.. Audacious braucht nur ne neuere Version, von Blender hab ich keine Ahnung\n blender ist up to date\n ^^\n das geht \u00c3\u00bcberall\n ich will \u00c3\u00bcbrigens auch ned Jack 1 sondern jack 2\n Paket nennt sich jackd2, zieht alles Ben\u00c3\u00b6tigte mit rein, soweit ich mich erinnere (habs hier selbst installiert).. aber soweit biste noch net :P\n immer gut zu wissen\n gleich aufschreiben\n ich hab die CD jetzt mit 8x gebrannt\n das ist das zweit langsamste\n das sollte OK sein oder?\n haste vorher ne Checksumme gepr\u00c3\u00bcft?\n checksumme?\n ich hab im nachhinein die dvd \u00c3\u00bcberpr\u00c3\u00bcfen lassen\n mit nero\n weil wenn die ISO vergriesgnaddelt is, kannste so sorgf\u00c3\u00a4ltig brennen wie de willst, dann kommt da auch nix bei raus\n es stimmt alles, hat er mir gemeldet\n ich denke mal ned, dass die kaputt ist\n net denken, \u00c3\u00bcberpr\u00c3\u00bcfen\n wie denn jetzt?\n ist ja die iso von der offiziellen homepage\n phalaris: boote einfach. unter windows is das ein heiden aufwand =)\n von ubuntuusers.de\n okey, wird gemacht\n * szal kennt leider keine \"komfortable\" Checksum-L\u00c3\u00b6sung f\u00c3\u00bcr Windows, gibt aber die Kommandozeilenprogramme auch daf\u00c3\u00bcr\n kleine frage noch, ich muss die cd ja bei laufendem windows einlegen, startet da nicht gleich etwas auch?\n phalaris: musst du nicht\n aber wenn da was aufgeht - dr\u00c3\u00bccks einfach weg ;)\n okey\n dann mal ab ins abenteuer^^\n phalaris: die CD sollte ne Selbsttest-Option im Bootmen\u00c3\u00bc haben; nimm die zuerst, dann wei\u00c3\u009fte, ob die CD zu gebrauchen is\n ah da ist ja das wubi dass du mir verboten hast^^\n ach die ist jetzt richtig gestartet\n richtig. das b\u00c3\u00b6se wubi\n soo ich fahre mal runter \n dann sehen wir, was passiert\n viel erfolg =)\n melde mich gleich auf dem PC meines vaters an\n bis gleich\n ciao\n Sch\u00c3\u00a4ng..\n phalaris: und unten am Bildschirm lesen im Bootmen\u00c3\u00bc, da kannste Sprache und Keyboard einstellen\n soo wieder da\n okey\n so viel Englisch wirste wohl k\u00c3\u00b6nnen, dass du zumindest erst mal die Sprache umstellen kannst\n jojo\n ach mist, bootet ned von DVD\n muss ich noch umstellen\n entweder das, oder Bootmen\u00c3\u00bc (meistens F8 oder F11)\n und es funktioniert\n gleich komme ich on\n so da binn ich\n huui, wo mache ich meine maus langsamer?\n phalaris: System -Einstellungen - Maus (bei Gnome (Ubuntu-Classic))\n ehm wie geht das nun mit dem software installieren?\n phalaris: \u00c3\u00bcber das ubuntu software center, bzw \u00c3\u00bcber das terminal\n ,software? phalaris \n Sorry deem, ich weiss nichts ueber software, ich verbinde aber 52 Dinge mit software. Nutze 'shetlandpony, suche software' zum suchen nach Informationen\n ,einsteiger? phalaris \n phalaris, Einsteiger ist http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Einsteiger - Weitere Infos im query ...\n deem: also blender kann ich ja als zip holen\n auf graphicall\n phalaris: es ist trotzdem besser alles \u00c3\u00bcber die paketverwaltung zu installieren\n daran vorbei zu installieren ist b\u00c3\u00b6se ;)\n phalaris: ich empfehle auch auf jeden fall das softwarecenter zu verwenden\n hmm aber wenn ich dann andauernd das build wechsle?\n phalaris: wirst du nicht. wenn ubuntu ein neues update anbietet bekommst du das automatisch mit den n\u00c3\u00a4chsten update\n ausserdem braucht man auch nicht immer die neuste software.\n solltest du dennoch die aktuellste version haben wollen, empfiehlt sich die benutzung eines .deb paketes, das sind die .exe dateien von ubuntu\n deem: nene, blender hat verschiedene builds\n die kann man dann holen\n niemand da, der auch blender nutzt?\n deem: nicht alles, was hinkt, ist ein Vergleich :P\n phalaris: ich seh auf deren website nur ne 32 und ne 64bit version\n was meinst du mit builds?\n deem: graphicall.org\n da hast du ganz viele\n da sind optimierte versionen\n builds=version\n o_O\n warum sollte man sowas wollen? das sieht wie daily builds aus. noch instabiler gehts kaum\n deem: nein, ganz und gar nich\n glaub mir, das machen alle so\n da sind die neusten bugfixes drin\n phalaris: kann sein dass die builds da alle ganz toll sind - fakt ist: die sollte man benutzen, wenn man sich mit seinem system auskennt.\n ok. dann bin ich hier raus. sry aber sowas support ich nicht. da steht sogar sch\u00c3\u00b6n noch experimental dran\n ich nutze die alle unter windows\n phalaris: wir k\u00c3\u00b6nnen dir hier als offensichtlich blutigstem anf\u00c3\u00a4nger wirklich nur raten, die aus dem repo gepfelgten versionen zu installieren.\n phalaris: windows ist kein ubuntu\n du kannst nicht alles, was unter windows geht oder man dort so macht auch unter ubuntu so machen\n geht denn das in ubuntu nicht? einfach eine zip laden ohne was zu installieren und das programm dann aus der zip starten?\n deem: klar nicht\n phalaris: ja, unter windows ist das alles immer toll. irgendwas runter laden, irgendwo hin klicken, funktioniert auch irgendwie. fakt ist - wenn du diese denkweise nicht ablegen kannst/willst wirst du \u00c3\u00a4rger haben, und zwar viel.\n es kann ganz b\u00c3\u00b6se in die hose gehn wenn du die paketverwaltung von ubuntu einfach so umgehst\n deem: warum denn?\n also ich glaube dir schon, aber warum ist das denn so?\n phalaris: die sache ist die: funktionieren tut sowas meist schon, ABER keiner kann dir garantieren, das dein system dadurch nicht instabil wird. das gilt f\u00c3\u00bcr windows wie f\u00c3\u00bcr linux (ubuntu)\n * LetoThe2nd h\u00c3\u00a4lt sich besser raus\n die versionen im softwarecenter sind umfangreich mit dem system getestet und somit als einigerma\u00c3\u009fen stabil anzusehen\n Geruchsfernsehe1: praktisch alle, die blender benutzen holen sich auf graphicall builds\n phalaris: also das was du vorhat funktioniert einwandfrei lies einfach auf graphicALL und auf den entsprechend referenzierten hilfeseiten, wie man das macht, da sind nicht um sonst builds f\u00c3\u00bcr linux dabei\n Geruchsfernsehe1: aber sie haben zum teil wichtige features nicht\n thomasfuston: du arbeitest also auch mit blender?\n * micky wei\u00c3\u009f nicht ob er einfach eine Frage dazwischenwerfen darf.\n phalaris: hier wird aber kein blender supportet :)\n sondern ubuntu\n nene\n phalaris: ist mMn auch ok das zu tun. du musst dir nur im klaren dar\u00c3\u00bcber sein dsa dsa ein gewisses risiko f\u00c3\u00bcr dein system darstellt\n phalaris: wenn du das so nutzen willst machst du das auf eigene verantwortung. wenn dein system kaputt geht ist das deine schuld. zum gl\u00c3\u00bcck hast du ja ein livesystem. da kannst du noch nicht allzu viel kaputt machen\n * jokrebel_ wedelt nochmals mit der http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/einsteiger Seite\n jokrebel_: okeey\n * deem gibt jokrebel_ recht\n * LetoThe2nd gibt jokrebel_ bier.. \u00c3\u00a4hm, auch recht.\n micky: selbstverst\u00c3\u00a4ndlich\n deem: nur zum kl\u00c3\u00a4ren: es kann nicht was kaputt gehen, weil es dem paketmanager nicht passt, sondern weil das build nicht stimmen k\u00c3\u00b6nnte\n phalaris: richtig\n phalaris: also mir ist dabei noch nichts kaputt gegangen, manchmal ging halt der blender build nicht\n phalaris: so ist es.\n Okay: Ein Spiel will derzeit auf die IP + Port des Einlogservers verbinden, aber der Ports ist falsch (nicht der richtige) kann ich das irgendwie umleiten? (So wie iptables)\n ich kenne den, der das build macht, welches ich holen m\u00c3\u00b6chte, der benutzt das n\u00c3\u00a4mlich selber\n micky: aion?\n thomasfuston: was, ein build funktioniert nicht?\n Nein Ragnarok\n micky: versuchs mal mit einer sclientinfo.xml im dataordner\n wenn ich das richtig verstehe, is das Risiko mit diesen Blender-Builds aber recht begrenzt, weil man die (idealerweise) einfach ins /home entpackt & von da rennt\n ich hab jetzt zur sicherheit mal blender aus dem paketmanager genommen\n Da steht der richtige drin 69..irgendwas aber wenn ich mit iptraf gucke, verbindet er auf 80?\n meine g\u00c3\u00bcte, das ist ja veraltet im paketmanager\n szal: ins home muss das also?\n phalaris: steht jedenfalls im Readme: entpacken & Programm ausf\u00c3\u00bchren, also macht man sich im Home n Verzeichnis daf\u00c3\u00bcr & gut is\n phalaris: nochmal der tipp, die dinger funktionieren und sind meistens auch unter ubuntu getestet, einfach lesen was auf der website steht, und dann kann nichts schiefgehen, risiko f\u00c3\u00bcr das system an sich gibt es so gut wie nicht dadurch (behaupt)\n Also geht sowas, das ich die Verbindung sozusagen abfange und mit dem richtigen Port rausschicke?\n das ding ist gezippt und ubuntu will mir jetzt was installieren, ist das OK?\n phalaris: hae?\n micky: w\u00c3\u00bcsste nicht\n szal: ist ne 7zip datei\n phalaris: nur das wir uns hier richtig verstehen. der kram ist nunmal als experimentell gekennzeichnent. also K\u00c3\u0096NNTE dsa schiefgehen. die wahrscheinlichkeit halte ich aber auch f\u00c3\u00bcr sehr gering.\n jojo\n Okay, dann danke trotzdem :D Muss ich irgendwas anderes versuchen\n hmm wenn ich das ins home verzeichnis packen will sagt ubuntu mir, dass ich ned die rechte dazu habe\n das soll ja auch net nach /home/, sondern nach /home/Benutzername/\n micky: ein guter Router kann Porst umleiten.\n huups\u00c2\u00b4\n s/Porst/Ports\n phalaris: wieso ist das eigentlich eine 7zip datei bei dir?!\n jokrebel_ Ich guck mal ob meiner das kann aber das wage ich schonmal zu bezweifeln\n Geruchsfernsehe1: http://graphicall.org/62\n phalaris: soweit ich das sehe sind das gz archive\n die da\n zum teil sinds selbst entpackende, zum teil 7zip\n phalaris: ah ok.\n hmm blender startet irgendwie ned\n jokrebel: NAT/Spezialanwendungen/PrivaterClientPort - H\u00c3\u00b6rt sich gut an? Da kann ich priv. Client port und \u00c3\u00b6ffentlichen Port angeben\n phalaris: Terminal \u00c3\u00b6ffnen, 'cd dahin/wo_die/ausfuehrbaren_dateien/liegen/', './blender', dann sagt dir der Output, was da ne tut\n wo \u00c3\u00b6ffnet man denn das terminal?\n micky: Kann ich nur ein \"eventuell\" vermuten, da ich Deinen Router nicht kenne. Ist aber auch eher Offtopic in diesem Kanal.\n jokrebel: Ja stimmt, war es vorhin noch nicht, da ist das Thema wohl abgedriftet. Ich probiers einfach aus - dnake\n *danke\n phalaris: bitte versuche kleine sachen auch selbst zu erkunden^^, alles vorkauen ist auch \u00c3\u00bcbel\n stimmt, sry\n micky: gerne\n phalaris: \"ich brauch morgen ein voll funktionsf\u00c3\u00a4higes Ubuntu mit den allerneuesten Programmversionen\" wird ohne Linux-Grundkentnisse nicht funktionieren.\n jokrebel: w\u00c3\u00bchl mich grad durchs ubuntu wiki\n phalaris: Ja, super! Wenn Du ernsthaft vor hast es zu benutzen ist das _sehr_ zu empfehlen.\n bisher bin ich aber immer noch ned aufs terminal gestossen :)\n phalaris: man \u00c3\u00b6ffnet es zb mit \"strg+alt+T\"\n okey thx\n ich will aber noch rausfinden wos ist\u00c2\u00b4\n phalaris: oder unter \"anwedungen\"->\"zubeh\u00c3\u00b6r\" ;)\n irgendwo im unity men\u00c3\u00bc :D\n phalaris: Anwendungen - Zubeh\u00c3\u00b6r\n eben diese anwendungen suche ich\n aah blender ist ned installiert...\n man muss in ubuntu also etwas installieren damits l\u00c3\u00a4uft (versteck)\n phalaris: \u00c3\u00b6hm, wie in jedem anderem OS auch?\n nee, in windows muss man diese gezippten dinger ned installieren\n das ist ja so praktisch\n r.r\n du machst dir auf windows das system ned langsamer, in dem du installierst und deinstallierst\n das ist in ubuntu also anders\n phalaris: ich denke auch nicht das du dieses zeug unter ubuntu installieren musst\n Geruchsfernsehe1: er hat mir aber gesagt, diese programm sei nicht installiert\n phalaris: ABER ich denke du musst EINE blender version installieren damit die zugeh\u00c3\u00b6rigen pakete instllierte werden\n phalaris: du musst das zeug auch nicht unter ubuntu \"installieren\", aber du musst die abh\u00c3\u00a4ngigkeiten (die libs) die das programm ben\u00c3\u00b6tigt nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich vorhanden haben auf dem system, (wie in jedem anderen os auch)\n ah okey\n in windows musste ich mich um das irgendwie nicht k\u00c3\u00bcmmern\n phalaris: ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde es so machen: blender aus dem softwarecenter instllieren\n wie kann ich eigentlich mein iphone mit evolution syncen ?\n da gehts wenn man das zip nimmt \u00c3\u00b6ffnet und blender startet\n phalaris: danach einfach dein ausgepacktes blender doppelklicken\n phalaris: dann sollte das auch starten\n phalaris: Aber die Diskussion wie es in Windows geht hat hier nichts verloren. Eigentlich auch nicht wie Du ne andere Version als die aus den Paketquellen zum laufen bekommst.\n phalaris: f\u00c3\u00bcr soclhe sachen kannst du auch den chan, ubuntu-de-offtopic verwenden\n phalaris: das liegt daran das die builds unter windows alles mitbringen (deswegen sind die auch gr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fer). unter linux geht man davon aus das man die pakete einzeiln installiert\n arg.. jetzt startet der mir blender 2.49 anstatt blender 2.58\n aber wie jokrebel so richtig bemerkt, eigntlich geh\u00c3\u00b6rt das hier nicht hin\n hilfee\n .oO( sich kopfsch\u00c3\u00bcttelnd das Schauspiel anguckt.. )\n \n phalaris, wo liegt das problem?\n phalaris: haste zwischenzeitlich mal versucht, das Graphicall-Blender ausm Terminal zu starten?\n *heul*\n gibts denn keine m\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit das drecks iphone mit evolution zu syncen ?\n seven_: Doch, bestimmt. Aber das kann man auch googlen :)\n seven_ nicht das ich w\u00c3\u00bcsste...\n bekks: hmm... soweit war ich auch schon nur was sinnvolles war nicht dabei. vielleicht hab ich was \u00c3\u00bcbersehen?\n ggf. nur den weg \u00c3\u00bcber google \n seven_: google: \"ubuntu sync evolution iphone\" - zweiter Treffer.\n also iPhone -> google sync und google -> Evolution \n te22: danke, aber gibts nix einfacheres?\n .oO( Ratiopharm fragen? )\n seven_: Siehe google - die Suchbegriffe hast Du schon. :)\n bekks: ja danke, bin schon am lesen !\n bekks - infos dar\u00c3\u00bcber zu bekommen ist ekelig - ich sprech da aus erfahrung .. denn 90% der guides funktionieren net\n te22: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone\n seven_: http://blog.bernd-distler.net/archives/121-Evolution-mit-iPhone-synchronisieren.html\n deem's url: http://tinyurl.com/69hwa24 | Evolution mit iPhone synchronisieren - Bernds Rappelkiste\n das ist keine l\u00c3\u00b6sung \n das kostet geld \n sollte man das bei einem iphone nicht gewohnt sein? ;)\n das ist kein argument ;) (und wenn nur ein kleines :D ) \n sch\u00c3\u00b6nes wochenende w\u00c3\u00bcnsch ich euch :) \n was kostet geld? o_O\n die welt\n ,ot?\n Dies ist ein Supportchannel! Fuer Offtopic- und Stammtischgespraeche bitte #ubuntu-de-offtopic nutzen. Danke! ;) [offtopic]\n \u00c3\u00a4hm kleines problem: das live ubuntu auf meinem andern PC ist total eingefrohren\n jetzt ist der bildschirm schwarz geworden und ich kann nichts mehr machen\n was soll ich da tun?\n mein ubuntu 10.04 alternate installer findet bei der installation keine partitionen. ein \"fdisk -l\" auf einer konsole zeigt jedoch an, dass er die festplatte und zumindest die ntfs partitionen erkannt hat. ich kann allerdings den freien rest der platte nicht partitionieren, da er mir nur \"\u00c3\u0084nderungen r\u00c3\u00bcckg\u00c3\u00a4gnig machen [..]\" und \"Partitionierung beenden [...]\" anzeigt.\n phalaris_: Strom aus und wieder an, wenn nicht gerade was wichtiges l\u00c3\u00a4uft.\n ausserdem will er beim \"erkennen der festplatten\" immer ein raid device aktivieren.\n sdx23: also einfach den ausschaltknopf?\n kann meinem laptop ja schlecht den akku nehmen\n Jam dann dr\u00c3\u00bcck eben den Knopf n paar Sekunden, kommt fast auf's selbe raus.\n phalaris_: ja, ausschaltknopf 4 sek festhalten\n hat sehr gesund get\u00c3\u00b6nt\n phalaris_: hehe. das muss er abk\u00c3\u00b6nnen. ;)\n jetzt ist alles wieder weg =(\n soo.. bin dann mal wieder am andern PC\n ciao\n phalaris_: das ist ja gerade der witz einer livecd, das er nix speixhert\n nabend\n ich versuche gerade einen scanner \u00c3\u00bcber sane im netzwerk freizugeben\n habe die wikianleitung befolgt, aber jetzt habe ich das problem, dass der andere rechner zwar mit scanimage -L den scanner findet, allerdings der sane dialog anzeigt: zugriff verweigert\n jemand eine idee dazu?\n nevchen: Unterschiedliche UserIDs?\n jokrebel: wie finde ich das raus?\n id wird dir das ausgeben. Ist der user denn in der sane-Gruppe?\n nevchen: mit ID in der Konsole kannst Du vom jeweiligen User genau Infos abrufen und dann vergleichen.\n jokrebel: sdx23 werd ich gleich mal pr\u00c3\u00bcfen geb dann bescheid\n sdx23: ja habe den user in die sane gruppe \n jokrebel: sdx23 was muss da bei id drinstehen?\n nevchen: Wenn auf beiden Rechner das selbe steht hast Du die besten Chancen keinem Rechte-Problem zu begegnen.\n Bei 8 GB Arbeitsspeicher reichen 8 GB Swap - oder?\n ja\n Gamoder_: Und auch den wirst Du nur brauchen falls Du Suspend nutzen willst.\n das swap management war in 2.4 mal darauf optimiert 2x RAM zu nutzen. die formel ist aber heute etwas veraltet\n jokrebel: ja ich schau nochmal und melde mich im laufe des abends nochmal\n fuer STD sollte man jetzt etwas mehr als $ram haben? oder reicht die exakte groesse?\n Hmm - ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte schon hin und wieder Suspend-to-Disk machen\n \u00c3\u00bcbrigens habe ich folgendes Problem: Ich kann nicht mehr als 4 Partitionen erstellen, auch wenn ich den Partitionstyp der 4. Partition auf \u00c2\u00ablogisch\u00c2\u00bb setze (beim installieren)\n Gamoder_, du meinst erweitert,nicht logisch\n Gamoder_, in der erweiterten partition kannste dann weitere logische anlegen\n Naja, aber eine erweiterte kann ich nicht direkt erstellen - und ich nehme an, wenn ich eine logische erstelle, erstellt er mir \u00c2\u00abautomatisch\u00c2\u00bb eine erweiterte\n Gamoder_: es k\u00c3\u00b6nnen maximal 4 partitionen existieren. die 4te prim\u00c3\u00a4re ist damit die letzte, da die n\u00c3\u00a4chste die 5te w\u00c3\u00a4re, da er auch f\u00c3\u00bcr logisch platten zuerst eine erweiterte prim\u00c3\u00a4re partition erstellen m\u00c3\u00bcsste\n ja, klar - ich habe bislang 3 Partitionen\n Gamoder_, hmm... w\u00c3\u00a4r ich ein partitionsprogramm, w\u00c3\u00bcrd ich da einen fehler auswerfen, weil das danach aussieht, da\u00c3\u009f der user keine wirklich ahnung hat, was er da gerade treibt ;)\n aber nach der n\u00c3\u00a4chsten erstellen geht es nicht weiter\n Wie gesagt - ich kann keine erweiterte Partition erstellen\n deswegen nehme ich an, dass der Ubuntu Installer das automatisch macht\n Gamoder_: wenn du 3 prim\u00c3\u00a4re hast, dann kannst du auch eine weiter logische erstellen. die erweiterte partition erstellt der ganz von alleine\n ja, aber ich kann nur 1 logische erstellen, danach ist \u00c2\u00abhinzuf\u00c3\u00bcgen\u00c2\u00bb ausgegraut\n ups\n Ich h\u00c3\u00a4tte nur runterscrollen m\u00c3\u00bcssen :-/\n hi, ich habe gerade einen wlan server mit hostapd aufgesetzt, der sich seinerseits mittels eth0 und 802.1x ins inet anmeldet. jetzt m\u00c3\u00b6chte ich es irgendwie schaffen, dass der server alle clients am wlan0 authentifiziert und auch zugang zum inet gew\u00c3\u00a4hrt. vermutlich werde ich eine bridge zwischen wlan0 und eth0 erstellen m\u00c3\u00bcssen, wie geht es dann aber weiter?\n Hmm ... der Ubuntu-Installer kann keine NTFS-Partitionen erstellen, stelle ich gerade fest oO\n Gamoder_: GParted kann das\n ist der standardm\u00c3\u00a4\u00c3\u009fig installiert?\n Hmm - ja, ist er ...\n Aber warum kann das der Ubuntu-Install-Partitionierer nicht?\n Gamoder_: NTFS ist Windows und Unfrei. Warum sollte Ubuntu dieses Filesystem erstellen k\u00c3\u00b6nnen?\n jokrebel: Weil Ubuntu es kann :)\n mkfs.ntfs und gut ;)\n W\u00c3\u00a4hrend der Installation steht das nicht zur Verf\u00c3\u00bcgung, weil es sinnfrei ist - ja.\n bekks: Aber nicht zwangsl\u00c3\u00a4ufig k\u00c3\u00b6nnen m\u00c3\u00bcsste\u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n sysdef: afaik komprimieren sie mit lzma\n sdx23: oh, gute idee. kann der kernel ja eh\n bekks: Also f\u00c3\u00bcr mich ist es nicht sinnfrei - ich habe meine Mediendaten immer auf NTFS-Partitionen\n und w\u00c3\u00bcrde daher auch gleich alle meine Partitionen hier damit erstellen k\u00c3\u00b6nnen\n Gamoder_: Mag sein dass Du mit NTFS einigerma\u00c3\u009fen gl\u00c3\u00bccklich bist. Trotzdem ist es nicht ann\u00c3\u00a4hernd standard unter LInux.\n Klar - aber f\u00c3\u00bcr den Datenaustausch mit Windows gibt es nicht wirklich etwas besseres\n und ich bilde mir ein fr\u00c3\u00bcher\u00e2\u0084\u00a2 konnte man direkt NTFS-Partitionen erzeugen\n Gamoder_: Nur weil MS andere Filesysteme ignoriert muss nicht Linux den Datenaustausch gew\u00c3\u00a4hrleisten. \n hi\n ich habe ein R500 denkbrett mit einer Intel SSD. Ich versuche darauf nun ein Ubuntu 10.04 minimal mithilfe der alternate cd zu installieren. allerdings erkennt mir jedesmal ein raid device, woraufhin er mir keine partitionen anzeigt. ist das ein bekannter bug?\n ich wei\u00c3\u009f auch nicht wo der das raid device hernimmt. wenn ich mit \"mdadm --misc -E /dev/sd[a/b][n]\" nach einem md superblock suche, sagt er mir, dass er keinen superblock finden kann\n deem: BIOS - IDE/AHCI/RAID ist eingestellt f\u00c3\u00bcr den HDD-Controller.\n bekks: nope. steht auf compatibility bzw ahci, da es nur diese beiden optionen gibt\n Gibt es OpenMotif v.2.3.1 f\u00c3\u00bcr Lucid Lynx? in den Quellen finde ich es nicht.\n atm steht es aber auf compatibility\n Ginge darum einen Citrix Client zu nutzen.\n und mit der ocz die vorher verbaut war ging es\n KojiroAK: Openmotif wird von Citrix als Download zur Verf\u00c3\u00bcgung gestellt.\n bekks, ich bin wohl zu bl\u00c3\u00b6d openmotif auf der Seite zu finden.\n bekks, ah, sehe gerade libmotif reicht.\n bekks, ich sehe auch gerade, der citrix Client scheint auch schon an Board zu sein.\n ich w\u00c3\u00a4re ganz froh drum, wenn mir jemand erkl\u00c3\u00a4ren k\u00c3\u00b6nnte, warum 10.04 die intel ssd als raid device erkennt\n deem: was sagt dmesg denn?\n sdx23: wei\u00c3\u009f ich nicht. ich versuchs grade mit 11.04. da hab ich kein raid device und kann partitionieren, aber da konnte ich vorhin nicht mehr booten\n mal testen\n Hmmm doch nicht.\n Aber den Client gibt es als Deb\n wie zu erwarten war hat ubuntu 11.04 ohne zicken installiert, aber starten m\u00c3\u00b6chte es nun nicht\n gn8\n loool http://imgur.com/ZsVZA [comic]\n oh shit, sorry\n kann plymouth ne konsolen ausgabe des bootvorgangs darstellen, oder mit welches paket kann das aufh\u00c3\u00bcbschen, \u00c3\u00a4hnlich wie es bei suse ist?\n vectory: ersetze im Grub \"quiet\" durch \"verbose\", das sollte schon tun\n das ist dann aber net graphisch, ne?\n definiere \"graphisch\"\n mit farbe und logo\n * szal hat sich den Bootsplash von keiner Distri noch genauer angeguckt, weil er die immer abstellt\n achso, quiet ersetzen, habs erstmal ganz gel\u00c3\u00b6scht\n danke, erstmal testen\n hallo, ist es normal, dass unter kubuntu 11.04 mit dem propriet\u00c3\u00a4ren ati treibern die monitore aus dem standby nicht mehr zur\u00c3\u00bcck kommen?\n ok, hab doch noch was gefunden, ist wohl \"normal\" momentan\n hallo, gibt es eine m\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit mit tastenfunktion auf systemkonfi \"compiz\" zuzugreifen? weil ich haben nur leeren bildschirm bei \"ubuntu\" ich will wieder unity haben.. wie geht das bitte? vielen dank\n jules: Alt-F2 geht? Dann vermutlich \"ccsm\"\n leider nicht\n ey, ich habe einfach auf... desktop kopiert das icon\n :D\n gott sei dank, auch ubuntu classic habe ich\n#ubuntu-de 2011-08-06\n Hallo, ich habe folgendes Problem wie hier beschrieben: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1546730 (obwohl [SOLVED] dasteht, stimmt das nicht): Mein Touchpad wird als PS/2-Maus erkannt und unterst\u00c3\u00bctzt so kein Scrollen\n Was kann ich dagegen tun?\n ups - falls mir jemand geantwortet hat, bitte nocheinmal\n guten morgen\n Gamoder: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Touchpad hast du gelesen?\n sdx23: Bin ich gerade dabei\n wie kann man das unity men\u00c3\u00bc links (dash?) zwingen sich zu schlie\u00c3\u009fen/einzuklappen?\n c_korn, im CCSM gibt es ein paar Einstellungen dazu.\n Siehe http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/CCSM_Arbeitsfl%C3%A4che#Ubuntu-Unity-Plugin\n hm, danke. mal schauen.\n sdx23: Hmm - ich habe das mit dem Kernel patchen gemacht, aber es funktioniert immer noch nicht - keine \u00c3\u0084nderung\n Gamoder: ich h\u00c3\u00a4tte ehr mal das proto=imps versucht\n Das hab ich schon zuerst probiert\n Hallo , ich hab eine frage ich hab ein netbook Samsung N210 und hab nun aus googel fast (denke ich zumindest) alles probiert was ich zum thema sd card gefunden habe doch ich kriegs nicht zum laufen hat jemand eine idee was ich noch machen kann (linux neuling)\n Das war keine Frage.\n Was ist das genaue Problem, mit welcher genauen Ubuntuversion?\n 11.04\n Ubuntu 11.04 - the Natty Narwhal \n und das Problem is was?\n hat er doch gesagt... SD will nicht\n dzex: Kannst Du bitte die Ausgaben der folgenden Befehle nopasten?: lsb_release -a; uname -a; lsmod\n mirkux: \"will nicht\" ist keine mir bekannt Fehlermeldung bei Rechnern.\n ,wf? dzex \n dzex: Um moeglichst gute Hilfe zu bekommen, nenne bitte folgendes beim Fragen: Was funktioniert nicht. Seit wann bzw. welchem Ereignis ist das so. Welche Programm-/Ubuntuversionen sind verwendet. Gibt es Fehlermeldungen. Wenn ja bitte in einen Nopaste(siehe Topic).\n ,nopaste? dzex \n dzex: Nicht selbst geschriebener Text wird im IRC sehr unleserlich und unhandlich. Deshalb sollten mehr als 3 Zeilen immer in einen sogenannten (No)Paste-Service abgelegt werden. Nutze http://paste.pocoo.org [paste]\n bekks: mehr wird er wohl als neuling kaum sagen k\u00c3\u00b6nnen\n mirkux: Deswegen fragte ich nach mehr.\n mirkux: Er hat nicht mal eine Frage gestellt - trotz Ank\u00c3\u00bcndigung :)\n Kartenleser f\u00c3\u00bcr SDCard l\u00c3\u00a4uft atm nicht hab erst kurz ubuntu auf dem netbook Samsung N210 drauf\n definiere 'l\u00c3\u00a4uft nicht'\n zeigt es nicht an beim einstecken\n dzex: Nopaste bitte die angeforderten Informationen.\n k\n dzex: Zus\u00c3\u00a4tzlich dazu noch die Ausgabe von: lspci -v und lsusb -v\n * szal vermutet SDHC-Karte in nem nicht SDHC-tauglichen Kartenleser\n da kommt dann n\u00c3\u00a4mlich nix\n http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/401942/\n so richtig ?\n dzex: lsb_release -a\n k : /\n http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/401947/\n ich suche eine anleitung wie ich mein iphone zumindest via usb den kalender syncen kann :[\n seven_: Du musst das iphone mit zB google calendar syncen, und evolution dann auch.\n Und crosspostings sind b\u00c3\u00b6se. :)\n sorry, poste machmal im falschen chan :(\n dzex, ich habe auf einigen seiten gelsen das die sd-karte nur erkannt wird wenn sie schon beim systemstart drinn ist, fersuch mal....\n hab ich \n genau das hab ich ja auch rausgelesen \n XamDM: Das ist reine Spekulation, da wir imme rnoch auf Informationen warten.\n Und ich kann aus eigener Erfahrung sagen, dass das auch eine Falschinformation ist.\n * szal vermutet immer noch SDHC-Karte in nicht SDHC-f\u00c3\u00a4higem Kartenleser.. aber dazu \u00c3\u00a4u\u00c3\u009fert sich der Inqu\u00c3\u00a4rent ja leider nicht\n *Inquirent\n fehlt was ich hab das ganze nochmal gepostet oben \n Ja, es fehlt einiges.\n * bekks stuft das Problem als \"unwichtig\" ein :)\n ist es nicht ich wei\u00c3\u009f einfach nicht was du noch von mit willst oben hab ich gepostet was du verlangt hast nach dem du mich korrigiert direkt nochmal jetzt versuche ich es wieder selbst \n 0806 125822 <+bekks> dzex: Zus\u00c3\u00a4tzlich dazu noch die Ausgabe von: lspci -v und lsusb -v\n ok\n Und dann auch noch die Karte ausstecken, 10s warten, die Karte wieder einstecken, und dann dmesg nopasten bitte\n kommt sofort \n http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/401952/\n http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/401957/\n und dann noch \"sudo fdisk -l\"\n http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/401962/\n Und du hast eine 2GB SDHC Karte, richtig?\n jop\n erkannt wird die Karte schon mal beim Anstecken, womit sich meine Vermutung als falsch herausstellt\n Die wird sauber erkannt - Problem gel\u00c3\u00b6st.\n ich hab halt bissl rumgefuchtelt was ich in googel gefunden hab \n zb das hier http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com/2007/04/texas-instruments-sdmmc-card-reader.html\n dzex's url: http://tinyurl.com/3y7m92 | Ubuntu Linux Tips Tricks: HOWTO: Texas Instruments SD/MMC card reader\n Ich les mir das jetzt nicht durch.\n Die Karte wird sauber erkannt - was ist das genaue Problem?\n ok dan mach ich was falsch \n Was ist das genau Problem?\n ich will nur die bilder raus holen mir wird nix angezeigt\n nopaste mal df -h \n Die Karte ist ja eingesteckt, richtig?\n ja\n http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/401967/\n Mounte die Karte und kopier was Du m\u00c3\u00b6chtest.\n ,mount? dzex \n dzex, mount ist http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/mount - Weitere Infos im query ...\n ok\n danke f\u00c3\u00bcr die hilfe erstmal\n hallo ich habe ein problem mit vpn bzw. openvpn unter ubuntu 11.04 folgende fehlermeldung kommt, wenn ich \u00c3\u00bcber den network manager eine vpn verbindung herstellen will: \"Die VPN Verbindung \"...\" konnte nicht hergestellt werden, weil der Start des VPN Dienstes fehlgeschlagen ist\" wenn ich mit service openvpn start den openvpn dienst starten will kommt folgendes: http://pastebin.com/B9JEKjwE hat jemand eine idee?\n die vpn verbindung hat nach dem einrichten erst funktioniert, nach eienm reboot aber nicht mehr..\n hast du ne konfig hinterlegt?\n sonst kann das ja nicht gehen mit dem initscript\n und zu dem problem im networkmanager wuerd ich mal die logfiles lesen\n da steht sicher drin was schief geht\n ja ich hab eine vpn config hinterlegt... wie gesagt das hat auch schon funktioniert die verbindung\n matzexh: Und was hast Du ge\u00c3\u00a4ndert, bevor es nicht mehr funktionierte?\n nur neu gebootet meiner meinung nach... das hier steht im syslog: http://pastebin.com/gyJeg93P\n ist mit vpn secret die .crt datei gemeint?\n jo\n vermutlich falsch konfiguriert\n bei mir hat das nie funktioniert darum hab ichs einfach immer mit openvpn gemacht\n die config kommt von der uni und ist die hier: http://www.rrze.uni-erlangen.de/dienste/internet-zugang/vpn/RRZE-split-tunnel.ovpn und das .crt ist das hier: http://www.rrze.uni-erlangen.de/dienste/internet-zugang/vpn/RRZE-ca.crt\n matzexh's url: http://tinyurl.com/3f2aagt\n mgolisch, meinst du einfach ohne network manager und direkt in der konsole mit openvpn?\n matzexh: ja\n bei mir hat das mit dem networkmanager nie funktioniert, evtl war ich auch einfach zu doof\n :)\n moin\n ich hab jetzt einen externen kartenleser gefunden und die karte dort eingelegt und nun zeigt er es mir auch direkt auf den desktop an ... und alles geht also grafisch , doch mit dem integriertem kriege ich es nur per terminal zum laufen \n Dann liegt das ziemlich sicher an der Karte und nicht am Kartenleser.\n Denn in deinem Kartenleser wird die Karte sauber erkannt.\n das denke ich mir auch nun :) \n Hallo!\n hauptsache es funktioniert jetzt ich mein ich krieg es zum laufen :) danke nochmal f\u00c3\u00bcr die hilfe . cya\n Ubuntu bootet irgendwie nicht mehr. Der Boot-Vorgang bleibt bei \"NET: Registered protocol family 1\" stehen. Was kann ich tun?\n Das einzige was ich ge\u00c3\u00a4ndert habe ist, den Rechner unter den Tisch zu stellen. Hat er vielleicht keinen WLAN-Empfang mehr und bleibt deswegen beim Booten stehen?\n hi, ich hab ne frage bzgl netzwerkbr\u00c3\u00bccken: wenn ich eine br0 zwischen eth0 und eth1 aufsetze, erscheint dann nur meinem OS beide subnetze, als ein gro\u00c3\u009fes, oder k\u00c3\u00b6nnen die teilnehmer der subnetze, dann auch untereinander daten austauschen?\n Hmpf, dann stell ich ihn halt nochmal auf den Tisch...\n joe3: wenn du sie routest. Aber mit einer Br\u00c3\u00bccke w\u00c3\u00bcrde man ehr zwei Teile eines Subnetzes verbinden wollen.\n RedNifre, naja der muss ja wohl auch ohne w-lan booten\n RedNifre, glaube kaum dass es daran liegen kann...\n sdx23 ich verstehe deine antwort leider nicht\n Dann bin ich ratlos, denn sonst habe ich nichts ge\u00c3\u00a4ndert.\n Was bedeutet denn \"NET: Registered protocol family 1\"?\n PFFF!!\n Jetzt steht er auf dem Tisch und bootet wieder. >:|\n Das ist doch total beknackt.\n joe3: Mit einer Br\u00c3\u00bccke verbindet man zwei Teile eines Subnetzes. Ein und desselben Subnetzes.\n also kann ich damit daten aus dem netz eth0 ins netz eth1 schicken?\n Bedeutet das jetzt, dass Ubuntu nicht bootet, wenn der WLAN-Empfang niedrig ist oder was?\n Ich probiere nochmal den Computer auf die andere Seite unter den Schreibtisch zu stellen...\n joe3: wenn es dasselbe Netz ist, ja. Wenn nicht: nein.\n RedNifre: ich kann sagen das der bei mir immer bootet, egal wie gut oder schlecht der wlan empfang ist\n RedNifre: F\u00c3\u00bcr mich klingt das mehr nach nem mechanischen Effekt. kabel locker?!\n sdx23, aso wenn f\u00c3\u00bcr beide netze der selbe dhcp zust\u00c3\u00a4ndig ist und gleiche adressen und subnetzmasekn vergibt, dann geht es, wenn dem nicht so ist, dann m\u00c3\u00bcssten die pakete geroutet werden\n Nein, es kommt ja der Boot-Loader und es bootet bis \"NET: Registered protocol family 1\".\n So, zweiter Versuch...\n joe3: DHCP hat nichts, aber wirklich gar nichts mit Routing zu tun.\n Und BRidging auch nicht mit Routing.\n Okay, er bootet. Unterschied ist jetzt, dass er freie Sicht auf die Zimmert\u00c3\u00bcr hat, anstatt dass das Sofa im Weg steht.\n Naja, mir soll's recht sein, Problem gel\u00c3\u00b6st. :)\n bekks das war jetzt nur als beispiel gedacht, alternativ: wenn die anderen computer an den beiden nics die selben IP adressbereiche haben\n Das war's dann auch schon, macht's gut!\n joe3: Ein v\u00c3\u00b6llig unbrauchbares Beispiel. :) Wie sdx23 schon sagte - wenn es das selbe Netz ist ja, wenn nicht dann nicht.\n ich seh schon, das dauert a bissl bis ich da ganz dahintersteige, wenn ich jetzt einen dhcp server an NIC eth0 angschlossen habe, kann der dann IPs an Rechner vergeben, die an eth1 angeschlossen sind? DHCP->eth0->br0->eth1->anderePCs\n Nur wenn Du einen DHCP-Relay konfigurierst.\n Eine Bridge ist kein Hub.\n mhm, auch wenn ich mir was anderes erhofft hab, holft mir das schon mal weiter\n Hallo! Hat jemand hier Erfahrung, netstat/netacct auf Ubuntu server zu installieren?\n Bestimmt.\n ,frag? icedwater \n icedwater: Einfach drauf los fragen und nicht fragen ob jemand etwas kennt oder man fragen darf (oder ob jemand da ist).\n Ja, ich wusste das sowas kommt :P Wollte nur sehen, ob jemand wach bzw da war :)\n Super.\n Also gibt es erstmal ein Paket f\u00c3\u00bcr Ubuntu/x64 was man einfach installieren und konfigurieren kann?\n aptitude search netstat\n tach Leutz, ssh dienst l\u00c3\u00a4sst sich nicht abschalten beim systemstart, hab es mit rcconf versucht, kein erfolg, nach system start in konsole status abgefragt und dienst l\u00c3\u00a4uft immer noch. Woran kann das liegen ?\n Moment... versuch gerade zu \u00c3\u00bcberpr\u00c3\u00bcfen, ob das das selber ist.\n black: Welches Ubuntu hast du?\n 11.04 bekks \n Und wie genau hast du was versucht?\n Hmm, ich glaube aber, das diese netstat nicht gerade das gleiche netstat ist... ich spreche von das hier: http://netacct-mysql.gabrovo.com/\n Das wirst Du Dir selbst bauen m\u00c3\u00bcssen.\n netstat ist also nicht das von net-tools sondern ein Web-interface f\u00c3\u00bcr netacct.\n bekks: Danke :) Bin seit einigen Stunden dabei...\n \"net-acct\"\n bekks: Allerdings.\n Achso, hmm. Danke, hab's falsch verstanden!\n Dachte du meintest nur ein Schreibfehler meinerseits :D\n ich hab versucht 1. mit bum dienst beim systemstart zu deaktivieren 2. rcconf dienst deaktivieren 3. sysv-rc-conf gleiches. Alles nix gebracht status bei ssh dienst l\u00c3\u00a4uft O.o\n ,dienste? black \n black, Dienste ist http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Dienste - Weitere Infos im query ...\n sdx23, hab ich doch schon nachgeschaut \n K\u00c3\u00b6nnte auch mal \u00c3\u00bcberarbeitet werdnen.\n ach, upstart ist da gar nicht mit drin. Hm, naja. Siehe erster grauer Kasten.\n sdx23, meinst start / stop script ?\n den Artikel hier: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Upstart\n okay, ich les mich mal rein, thx :)\n \u00c3\u0084h - wo konfiguriere ich nochmal am besten Grub (wie fr\u00c3\u00bcher /boot/grub/menu.lst ?) - Muss ich das in /etc/grub.d machen oder gibt es etwas einfacheres daf\u00c3\u00bcr?\n ,grub2? Gamoder \n Gamoder: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/GRUB_2\n ,grub? Gamoder \n Gamoder, GRUB ist http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/GRUB - Weitere Infos im query ...\n wenn ich eine bridge erstelle, dann stelle ich die eigentlichen NICs auf iface inet manual und konfiguriere nur noch mein br0 so wie ich es normalerweise mit mit nur einer einzelnen echten NIC machen w\u00c3\u00bcrde, oder?\n joe3: Eine bridge kann kein DHCP.\n joe3: ja\n vermutlich durch die unterschiedlichen macs, oder?\n N\u00c3\u00b6.\n ach mist,\n Aber es ist vollst\u00c3\u00b6ndig sinnfrei, DHCP auf eine Bridge zu setzen.\n warum?\n Versuch mir doch mal einen Grund zu nennen :)\n unser wohnheim vergiebt IPs mittels dhcp damit man ins inet kommt, damit niemand seine quotas \u00c3\u00bcberschreitet wird mit 802.1x authentifiziert, jetzt habe ich aber keinen bock immer ein kabel zu spannen, und einige ger\u00c3\u00a4te die kein 802.1x beherrschen.\n wenn ich also meinen server mit eth0 und wlan0 ausstatte k\u00c3\u00b6nnten ja quasi meine anderen pcs \u00c3\u00bcber die wlan verbindung ins wohnheimsnetz und dann ins inet. der server soll sich also quasi wie ein switch verhalten\n joe3: W\u00c3\u00a4re eine Routerkonfiguration mit NAT nicht sinnvoller?\n ja, aber dann kann ich mit den clients (TV ua) die DLNA services im netz nicht mehr sehen\n joe3: N\u00c3\u00b6.\n . . .\n Ca. 90% der WLAN Chipsets machen kein Bridging :)\n Die Bridge funktioniert dann einfach nicht.\n Und wenn sieh's doch tun, hat man sehr viel Spa\u00c3\u009f es einzurichten, bis es irgendwann endlich geht. Aber gut, dass man erstmal nur von eth0 und eth1 spricht...\n chrchr\n naja das wlan kann ja auch so heissen..\n naja klar sprech ich erst mal von eth0 und eth1 wenn ich das grundkonzept von ner bridge verstehen will, bringt ja ncihts gleich bei 100 % einsteigen zu wollen wenn man das grundkonzept net kennt\n kann es, auch wenn's das bei ihm anscheinend nicht tut. Naja, mir ist das zu m\u00c3\u00bc\u00c3\u009fig. Ich rate zu nem Router und bin damit raus. viel Erfolg.\n hostapd mit der karte und nl80211 treiber steht auch schon\n Unn\u00c3\u00b6tiger Schnickschnack.\n Router hinstellen, fertig.\n wenn ich das h\u00c3\u00a4tte machen wollen h\u00c3\u00a4tte mir ipfire und wpa_supplicant gereicht\n ipfire?\n software firewall\n Hmmm?\n Was kann das Ding mehr als iptables?\n ach is auch egal\n das zu routen ist auf jedenfall am einfachsten\n bekks: Kann Weboberfl\u00c3\u00a4che und Graphik und nicht nur schn\u00c3\u00b6de CLI.\n sdx23, es kann doch nicht sein, das der dienst so kompliziert sich abstellen l\u00c3\u00a4sst, zumindest beim systemstart\n sunset_NOVA: Hmmm. Deswegen kenne ich das nicht :D \n wieso kompliziert?\n black: die Datei im genannten verzeichnis editieren?\n wie lautet der befehl um mir meine hardware im terminal anzuzeigen?\n RichyW: lshw, lspci, lsusb\n ist doch schon, stand schon alles drinne \n black: zu ssh? Im Zweifelsfalle mal nopasten, jemand hier (nicht ich) wird wohl mit Upstand schon umgegangen sein.\n vielen dank\n ja zu ssh\n hm /etc/init/ssh.conf \u00c3\u00b6ffnen und alle zeilen auskommentieren\n dann startet auch nix mehr\n mgolisch, ja gut, aber hin und wieder brauch den dienst auch noch\n Hallo. Ich benutze Ubuntu 11.04. Wenn ich versuche die Einstellungen von Xchat \u00c3\u00bcbers Men\u00c3\u00bc aufzurufen, beendet Xchat sich einfach.\n bzw nur das start on veraendern\n dann kannste es ja immernoch manuell starten\n Das Problem ist bestimmt schon bekannt. Gibt es da auch schon eine L\u00c3\u00b6sung f\u00c3\u00bcr?\n vinzenz: Starte xchat mal in einem Terminal. Das Ding wirft bestimmt irgendwelche Fehlermeldungen aus.\n dieses upstart zeugs ist echt umstaendlich\n da haste recht mgolisch *lach*\n Heh, komisch, auf einmal geht's. Er hat mir aber folgendes gesagt: (xchat-gnome:5232): Gtk-WARNING **: No object called: \n Aber funzen tut's jetzt.\n tach zusammen\n \"funzen\" ^^\n Komisch, funzt doch nur sporadisch.\n hallo - ich habe ein kleines problem - ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde gerne die \u00c3\u00bcbersteuerung von pulseaudio in den audioeinstellungen abschalten\n ist das irgendwie m\u00c3\u00b6glich?\n prophy: Eingangssignal zur\u00c3\u00bcckdrehen? Entsprechende Regler in \"alsamixer\" reduzieren?\n das problem sind die soundregler von pavucontrol - ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde gern bei 100% schluss machen, aber man kann das ja noch bis sonstewo aufdrehen\n prophy: also hier ist 100% = Maximum. Da ist dann bei Dir wohl was anders\u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n jo das liegt m\u00c3\u00b6glicherweise am regler von gnome 3 dann \n vielen dank - dann werd ich mal gucken, ob ich das reduzieren kann\n prophy: Gnome 3 ist meines Wissens in keinem aktuellen Release drin.\n naja man bastelt halt auch son bi\u00c3\u009fchen - ich guck mal, wie ich das l\u00c3\u00b6sen kann\n vielen dank f\u00c3\u00bcr die hilfe\n nochmal\n *kick line\n Hey, ich hab Ubuntu Server auf einem meiner PC's installiert. Jetzt w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich gerne die W-Lan Karte einrichten. kann mir da jemand helfen?\n Fabrice_: einfach fragen womit du nicht weiterkommst, irgendwer wird schon antworten.\n Ich hab den Server jetzt installiert und sitz jetzt vor dem Terminal. Ich bin leider v\u00c3\u00b6llig neu in Sachen Linux.\n die W-Lan Karte wurde schon erkannt und funktioniert auch unter Linux. Die W-Lan Verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselung ist wpa2\n Fabrice_, uh... v\u00c3\u00b6llig neu? Keinerlei Terminal-Kenntnisse? keine grafische Oberfl\u00c3\u00a4che?\n Fabrice_: Und wo ist dann das Problem?\n Genau, das es bei dem Server keine grafische Oberfl\u00c3\u00a4che gibt weis ich ja. Nur wie soll ich jetzt das W-Lan konfigurieren?\n ,wpa_supplicant? Fabrice_ \n Fabrice_, wpa_supplicant ist http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/WLAN/wpa_supplicant\n Danke, ist das Paket schon vorinstalliert? ich hab ja keine Internetverbindung:D\n Vermutlich nicht. Einen Server mit wlan zu betreiben ist eh etwas - ungew\u00c3\u00b6hnlich.\n apt-cache policy wpa-supplicant # wird dir sagen, ob ein Paket installiert ist.\n ,Shell? Fabrice_, und hier mal etwas lesen\n Fabrice_, und hier mal etwas lesen, Shell ist http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Shell\n Fabrice_: \u00c3\u0084h? Woher weist Du dann das Die Karte erkannt wird und funktioniert?\n Ja ungew\u00c3\u00b6hnlich, will ja nur bisschen dran rumspielen. Nicht als Produktivserver. Weil ich schon ein mal unter Debian die Karte konfiguriert habe. \n Bei 11.04 hei\u00c3\u009ft das Paket wpasupplicant\n Danke, es ist aber noch nicht vorinstalliert oder?\n Bei mir ist es drauf, aber ich wei\u00c3\u009f nicht, ob ich das irgendwann mal selber war :)\n Wie sdx23 schon sagte, einfach nachgucken\n Okay mach ich.\n Fabrice_, ansonsten kannst du, falls du auf der Maschine gerade kein Internet hast, das Paket hier http://packages.ubuntu.com/ runterladen und dann dort installieren\n hey. mein panel oben ist komplett weg. gibt es eine m\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit den standart panel wiederherzuholen?\n zwangsweise kann ich jetzt auch nicht mehr ins internet. weil alles weg ist\n \"standard\". Ist das untere noch da? Dann dort einfach \"Panel hinzuf\u00c3\u00bcgen\"\n ja das untere schon. panel hinzuf\u00c3\u00bcgen.. und dann ?!\n panel anlegen meinst du denk ich oder?\n Oder so, ja.\n ja und dann \n ich meine jetzt ist alles weg. uhr, das symbol womit ich ins internet komme (das war nach einem neustart aufeinmal weg)\n coooktalala: Alles mit rechstklick hinzuf\u00c3\u00bcgen was Du brauchst.\n ja, habe ich schon gesehen, aber wie hei\u00c3\u009ft das programm / symbol womit ich ins internet komme?!\n das finde ich nicht\n Cookiekiller, indikator applet complete (o.s.\u00c3\u00a4.)\n ne das ist das falsche rumpe1\n also, nur fals ihr nicht wisst was ich meine : wo ich alle w-lan zug\u00c3\u00a4nge sehe etc\n coooktalala, also bei mir hei\u00c3\u009ft das so :> (genauer gesagt beinhaltet das auch den network-manager)\n Okay ich komm gar nicht klar. das paket wpa_s... ist installiert. aber ich schaffe es nicht das netzwerk zu konfigurieren.\n ich habs\n danke freunde\n Fabrice_: wo genau hakt's denn?\n (ctcp coooktalala version\n Also das Paket ist installiert. Ich hab wpa_passphrase MeineSSID MeinSchluessel eingegen. Die Ausgabe muss ich nach der Anleitung in /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf eingetragen werden. Wie erstelle ich die conf Datei?\n Einfach mit einem Editor deiner Wahl bearbeiten. Beispielsweise nano.\n Wie erstrelle ich das verzeichnis?\n Sorry dumme frage_:D\n ich google\n mkdir - bist du sicher, dass das Paket installiert ist?\n Das Verzeichnis existiert dann n\u00c3\u00a4mlich definitiv.\n Ja ich hab es ausversehen falsch eingegeben xD\n Fabrice_, auf der Konsole Pfade am besten mit Tab vervollst\u00c3\u00a4ndigen lassen, dann passiert dir sowas nicht\n okay danke\n ich hab jetzt in die Datei \"ctrl_interface=/var/run/wpa_supplicant\n eapol_version=1 ap_scan=1\" eingetragen. Wie gehts jetzt weiter? Ich muss ja jetzt den Netzwerkschl\u00c3\u00bcssel in Hexadezimal einschreiben oder?\n Ich habe eine Live-CD \"ubuntu Server 11.04\" eingelegt. Ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte eine Partition in 2 Partitionen aufteilen. Diese CD bietet mir aber nur zur Auswahl an: i.) Ubuntu Server installieren ii.) Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud installieren iii.) CD/DVD auf Fehler pr\u00c3\u00bcfen, iv.) Arbeitsspeicher testen, v.) Von der ersten Festplatte starten vi.) Ein besch\u00c3\u00a4digtes System reparieren. Was soll ich ausw\u00c3\u00a4hlen?\n bullgard4_: IIRC ist die Server-CD _keine_ Live-CD\n Fabrice_: du bekamst von wpa_passphrase ein network {...}. Das f\u00c3\u00bcgst du in die wpa_supplicant.conf ein.\n ich verwende ubuntu 10.10, die Installation von php-pear: \n Die folgenden Pakete haben unerf\u00c3\u00bcllte Abh\u00c3\u00a4ngigkeiten:\n php-pear : H\u00c3\u00a4ngt ab von: php5-common (>= 5.3.3-1ubuntu9.5) aber 5.3.3-1ubuntu9.3 soll installiert werden\n E: Besch\u00c3\u00a4digte Pakete \n -> was tun?\n Thomas_Zahreddin: Fremdquellen aktiv?\n sdx23 kann ich die Ausgabe irgendwie kopieren?\n Thomas_Zahreddin: Paste mal bitte die komletten Ausgaben von \"sudo apt-get update\" und \"sudo apt-get upgrade\". Danke.\n oder muss ich alles abtippen?\n Fabrice_: Du kannst sie umleiten: wpa_pass... > /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf\n Cool:)\n Es kommt Permission Denied\n jokrebel: Was hat Deine Mitteilung mit meiner Frage zu tun?\n bullgard4_: Viel\n jokrebel: Aha. Und was?\n Fabrice_: tja, die Datei geh\u00c3\u00b6rt offenbar nicht dem User, mit dem du reinschreiben willst.\n oder es gibt keine Schreibrechte darauf...\n bullgard4_: Keine Live-CD -> kein GParted -> keine Umpartitionierung\n ja ich hab schon mit root versucht.\n also sudo\n es klappt trotzdem irgendwie nicht?\n Ja, weil die Shell die Umleitung macht und die nicht als root l\u00c3\u00a4uft.\n wpa_pass... | sudo tee -a /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf\n jokrebel: http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/401972/\n Es hat funktioniert Super:) Kann ich jetzt schon wpa_supplicant aktivieren?\n Thomas_Zahreddin: Jede Menge Backports, PPAs und was-weis-ich-noch's - Und da wunderst Du Dich, dass das irgendwann mal klemmt?\n Fabrice_: wenn f\u00c3\u00bcr das Netz keine weiteren Einstellungen n\u00c3\u00b6tig sind, ja.\n Funktioniert das so? sudo wpa_supplicant -i wlan0 -D wext -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -d \n jokrebel: ich bin v.a. Ubuntu - user und das hat sich im laufe der letzten Jahre mit jedem Update angesammelt - also Aufr\u00c3\u00a4umen angesagt ;-)\n Fabrice_: sieht gut aus.\n Es kommt eine ganz lange Meldung was nicht so gut aussieht: Failed to add interface 0\n Hast du gepr\u00c3\u00bcft, ob es wlan0 ist?\n Also bei iwconfig kommt wlan0 raus\n Das ist die einzige Verbindung\n Also wireless Verbindung\n Was sagt die Meldung noch?\n Am besten die ganze in einen Nopaste: http://pastebin.com\n Thomas_Zahreddin: Kannst ja auch mal noch das 2te pasten. Aber ich f\u00c3\u00bcrchte fast, ja - besser aufr\u00c3\u00a4umen.\n State: Disconnected -> Disconnected\n und sp\u00c3\u00a4ter \"No keys have been configured...\"\n Wie soll ich die Meldung von einem offline Server posten ?\n Mach ein Foto?\n ah, moment. Da fehlt ja noch das allgemeine in der Konfigurationsdatei.\n Was denn?\n jokrebel: ich nehme eine 32-Bit-CD.\n der Kasten bei \"WLAN-Konfigurationen eintragen\" im Wiki-Artikel.\n ctrl_interface=/var/run/wpa_supplicant .. und so hab ich schon:)\n nachdem du wpa_pass...|sudo tee... ausgef\u00c3\u00bchrt hast?\n genau das steht immer noch da\n Bei dem Befehl sudo iwlist scanning kommt \"Network is down\" Hat es vielleicht damit was zu tun?=\n Das d\u00c3\u00bcrfte nichts ausmachen.\n Bei iwconfig steht jetzt schon aber IEEE 802.11g. Es m\u00c3\u00bcsste doch funktioniet haben oder?\n bullgard4_: Sollte zum Umpartitionieren ausreichen, selbst wenn Du ein 64Bit-System hast \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 IIRC -> ohne Gew\u00c3\u00a4hr (da selbst noch keine einzigen 63Bit-er\n 64\n jokrebel: Ok.\n bullgard4_: Hatte ich das magische Wort \"Backups\" schon erw\u00c3\u00a4hnt?\n Backups sind doch nur fuer Feiglinge.....\n jokrebel: Ich hatte schon ein Backup gemacht, bevor ich hier die Frage gestellt habe.\n bullgard4_: Man kann ja nie wissen ;-)\n jokrebel: Stimmt.\n jokrebel: so ich hab mal aufger\u00c3\u00a4umt, was ich aber nicht verstehe: z.B. libapache2-mod-php5filter ist in der Version 5.3.3.1ubuntu9.3 installiert, zudem ist verf\u00c3\u00bcgbar 5.3.3.1ubuntu9.5 (ist im Reiter Versionen in Synaptic bei diesem Paket), aber dennoch wird die tats\u00c3\u00a4chlich neueste Version mir nicht zum Update f\u00c3\u00bcr eine Aktualisierung angeboten - verstehe ich einfach nicht\u00e2\u0080\u00a6 \n jokrebel: die Version ist auch nicht gepinnt\n Thomas_Zahreddin: Da ich prinzipiell solches Kuddel-Muddel wie Du hast/hattest vermeide kann ich da nur schwerlich mitreden\u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n Hallo\n Thomas_Zahreddin: Da ich prinzipiell solches Kuddel-Muddel wie Du hast/hattest vermeide kann ich da nur schwerlich mitreden\u00e2\u0080\u00a6 <-- liest du zufaellig stephen king?\n jokrebel: Wedelwolf: http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/401977/ das ist der Zustand nach dem Aufr\u00c3\u00a4umen, nehme gerne Tipps zum weiteren Vereinfachen entgegen \u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n oh sorry, falscher kanal\n Wedelwolf: die vielen ppa etc. r\u00c3\u00bchren vor allem von den veralteten paketen in Umbutu her\n ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte einen Ftp Nutz server einrichten .\n kann mir jemand eine empfehlen ? \n nabend. ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte gro\u00c3\u009fe datenmengen von einem mac nach ubuntu \u00c3\u00bcber das wlan senden. ich habe es \u00c3\u00bcber smb getan, das sind die nativen einstellungen die mac und ubuntu hergeben, die \u00c3\u00bcbertragung kommt mir aber doch recht langsam vor. mit nfs bleibe ich jedoch stecken, der mac kann den freigegebenen ordner nicht finden.\n Thomas_Zahreddin: So sieht das das schon eher nach \"einigerma\u00c3\u009fen Standardquellen\" aus. Nun ein \"upgrade\" hinterher, aber genau schauen was er alles macht/machen will.\n Danke\n jokrebel: 0 aktualisiert, 0 neu installiert, 0 zu entfernen und 0 nicht aktualisiert. -\n jokrebel: und genau das ist das Problem \u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n (Quit: bye)\n Thomas_Zahreddin: Paste mal bitte die komletten Ausgaben von \"sudo apt-get update\" und \"sudo apt-get upgrade\". Danke.\n jokrebel: http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/401982/\n Thomas_Zahreddin: Nachdem jetzt da nichts mehr von \"unerf\u00c3\u00bcllten Abh\u00c3\u00a4ngigkeiten\" und \"besch\u00c3\u00a4digten Pakete\" (siehe Deine Posts von 20:40) erscheint, sollte Dein Problem eigentlich erledigt sein.\n jokrebel: eben; ist aber nicht der Fall: Die folgenden Pakete haben unerf\u00c3\u00bcllte Abh\u00c3\u00a4ngigkeiten:\n php-pear : H\u00c3\u00a4ngt ab von: php5-common (>= 5.3.3-1ubuntu9.5) aber 5.3.3-1ubuntu9.3 soll installiert werden -> nach wie vor \u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n Thomas_Zahreddin: K\u00c3\u00b6nnten wir da bitte auch den Befehl mit kompletter Ausgabe gepastet haben, bitte?\n jokrebel: sudo apt-get install php-pear \n Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig\n Abh\u00c3\u00a4ngigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut \n Statusinformationen werden eingelesen... Fertig\n Einige Pakete konnten nicht installiert werden. Das kann bedeuten, dass\n Sie eine unm\u00c3\u00b6gliche Situation angefordert haben oder, wenn Sie die\n Unstable-Distribution verwenden, dass einige erforderliche Pakete noch\n nicht erstellt wurden oder Incoming noch nicht verlassen haben.\n Die folgenden Informationen helfen Ihnen vielleicht, die Situation zu l\u00c3\u00b6sen:\n Die folgenden Pakete haben unerf\u00c3\u00bcllte Abh\u00c3\u00a4ngigkeiten:\n php-pear : H\u00c3\u00a4ngt ab von: php5-common (>= 5.3.3-1ubuntu9.5) aber 5.3.3-1ubuntu9.3 soll installiert werden\n E: Besch\u00c3\u00a4digte Pakete\n Thomas_Zahreddin: Und vorsorglich nochmal ein \"update\" \"upgrade\" machen.\n ,paste? Thomas_Zahreddin\n Thomas_Zahreddin: Nicht selbst geschriebener Text wird im IRC sehr unleserlich und unhandlich. Deshalb sollten mehr als 3 Zeilen immer in einen sogenannten (No)Paste-Service abgelegt werden. Nutze http://paste.pocoo.org\n jokrebel: http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/401987/ Danke f\u00c3\u00bcr die Geduld\u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n shetlandpony: danke f\u00c3\u00bcr den Hinweis\n no problem Thomas_Zahreddin, i can't resist to obey.\n ,bot? Thomas_Zahreddin\n Thomas_Zahreddin: ich bin ein bot ;p\n shetlandpony: danke f\u00c3\u00bcr die Info\n no problem Thomas_Zahreddin, i can't resist to obey.\n Thomas_Zahreddin: Da ich hier aktuell nur ein 10.04-LTS habe kann ich das leider nicht nachvollziehen. ggf. ist das aber nur ein tempor\u00c3\u00a4res Problem, weil auf dem Server noch nicht alles aktuallisiert ist. \n jokrebel: danke\n Thomas_Zahreddin: Siehe Zeile 53 54\n Thomas_Zahreddin:gerne - ich hoffe das stimmt auch so\u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n gn8\n [ubuntu Server 11.04 CD] \"Es wurde kein Root-Dateisystem festgelegt. Bitte beheben Sie das im Partitionierungsmen\u00c3\u00bc. Weiter\" Klicken auf 'Weiter' erzeugt das Fenster '[!!] Festplatten paritionieren.' Bisher war Partition Nr. 1 das Root-Dateisystem. Wie kann festlegen, da\u00c3\u009f Partition Nr. 1 und Partition Nr 8 k\u00c3\u00bcnftig als Rootsystem von 2 unabh\u00c3\u00a4ngigen 'Betriebssystemen fungieren?\n Bei \"Einbindungspunkt:\" ausw\u00c3\u00a4hlen '/'?\n ja bullgrad4_\n bullgard4_\n Lasall: Danke!\n Hallo Zusammen, Kann mir einer von euch helfen? Ich benutze ubuntu 8.04 und versuche eine Treiber f\u00c3\u00bcr Highpoint RocketRaid Controller als Modul zu laden. Mit dem Kernel den ich davor benutzt habe hat dies wunderbar geklappt. Jetzt habe ich ein Kernelaupdate gemacht und versuche seitdem das Modul neu zu kompiliernen mit: \n cd /boot/rr172x-linux-src-v1.2/product/rr1720/linux/ \n sudo make KERNELDIR=/lib/modules/2.6.24-29-generic/build \n sudo make install KERNELDIR=/usr/src/linux-2.6.24-29-generic\n M\u00c3\u00bcsste das so funktionieren oder habe ich noch etwas vergessen? Momentan bekomme ich einen Kernel Panik beim booten.\n firefly_: Pa\u00c3\u009ft Dein Treiber zu dem neuen Kernel?\n ls\n Ich kompiliere ihn ja von den sources, also ja er passt\n firefly_: Der Support f\u00c3\u00bcr 8.04 ist ausgelaufen, wenn nicht gerade server. Und ob \"das so funktionier[t]\" sagt dir die Ausgabe der Befehle. Imho sehen die ungut aus.\n Und die Tatsache, dass du sie neu kompilierst, hei\u00c3\u009ft nicht, dass er passen wird. Sourcen m\u00c3\u00bcssen auch an Header angepasst werden.\n Und: wenn es sich um das Root-Dateisystem handelt, das den ben\u00c3\u00b6tigt, reicht es nicht, wenn einfach der Treiber als Modul zur Verf\u00c3\u00bcgung steht.\n die sourcen sollten passen. In der readme dazu steht, das sie bis zum 2.6.31 Kernel getestet sind.\n Ok, was muss ich noch tun?\n Sicherstellen, dass er erfolgreich gebaut wurde. In die initramfs hinzuf\u00c3\u00bcgen.\n ok, wie stelle ich sicher das das modul erfolgreich gebaut wurde?\n siehe 22:35:27: Ausgabe des Bauens lesen.\n die sieht gut aus\n Lasall: In '[!!] Festplatten partitionieren > Einbindungsoptionen:=defaults' kann so bleiben, oder mu\u00c3\u009f ich Einbindungsopionen: ab\u00c3\u00a4ndern? \n ja, kannst du so lassen\n Lasall: Danke!\n +sdx23: Ok, es funktioniert. Ein misgl\u00c3\u00bccktes update des neuen kernels war schuld. Nach aptitude safe-upgrade klappt es.\n das d\u00c3\u00bcrfte auch ein update-initramfs gemacht haben. praktisch.\n aso, danke.\n ansonsten h\u00c3\u00a4tte ich das update-initramfs selbst machen m\u00c3\u00bcssen? Oder macht das das make install mit?\n (kommt vermutlich darauf an was make install tut oder?)\n Exakt das. Und ich habe weder schon mit eben diesem Treiber gearbeitet noch die Mu\u00c3\u009fe das anzusehen :)\n Dachte ich mir schon. Werde ich selbst mal nachschaun. Danke\n Lasall: (Ich will 2 unabh\u00c3\u00a4ngige Betriebssysteme auf 1 HDD haben. 1 existiert schon.) '[!!] Festplatten partitionieren' meldet: \"IZwei Dateisystemen wurde derselbe Einbindungspunkt zugewiesen: Partition #1 und Partition #8. Bitte beheben Sie das, indem Sie die Einbindungspunkte \u00c3\u00a4ndern. Weiter.\" Ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte aber gern f\u00c3\u00bcr 2 Betriebssysteme je eine Rootpartition haben. Wie werde ich die...\n ...Fehlermeldung los?\n eine rootpartition fuer beide betriebssysteme? wo ist dann der unterschied zwischen den systemen?\n aso moment\n Lasall: Der Unterschied: Das eine Betriebssystem ist Ubuntu 11.04 mit GNOME 2, das andere soll Ubuntu 11.10 Alpha 3 mit GNOME 3 werden.\n dann musst du auch 2mal installieren\n und gibts jeweils einen anderen einhaengepunkt fuer /\n Lasall: Ich habe zwei Partitionen geschaffen. Beide habe ich als '/' deklariert. Nun meckert aber der Installer. Wie werde ich das meckern los?\n einfach bei einer der partitionen / wieder entfernen. nach der installation laedst du dir die alpha 3 herunter und installierst diese auf die andere partition\n Lasall: Das werde ich probieren.\n Lasall: Deinen Wunsch, \"einfach bei einer der partitionen / wieder entfernen.\" kann ich nachkommen, indem ich \"Nicht einbinden\" ausw\u00c3\u00a4hle?\n genau\n ok\n Ich habe habe aber auch zwei Partitionen , die den Einh\u00c3\u00a4ngepunkt '/home' haben. Mu\u00c3\u009f ich den bei der 2. Partition auch durch \"Nicht einbinden\" ersetzen? \n gn8\n bullgard4_: lese dir die installation nochmal im wiki durch: http://staticwiki.ubuntuusers.de/files/ubuntu_installation_natty.html\n Lasall: Warum? http://staticwiki.ubuntuusers.de/files/ubuntu_installation_natty.html gilt f\u00c3\u00bcr die Desktop-CD. Ich habe aber die 'ubuntu Server 11.04'-CD. \n ok, dann navigiere dich mal zur alternate installation durch\n Lasall: Meinst Du hier: https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/serverguide/C/installing-from-cd.html? Oder wo?\n bullgard4_: nein hier: http://staticwiki.ubuntuusers.de/files/server_installation.html\n ash\n ups sorry\n .... falsches Terminal\n Lasall: Der Artikel http://staticwiki.ubuntuusers.de/files/server_installation.html geht nicht auf den Fall ein, da\u00c3\u009f zwei unabh\u00c3\u00a4ngige Betriebssysteme installiert werden sollen.\n ok, dann halt hier im channel: die 2. homepartition auch nicht einbinden\n ok\n Lasall: Jetzt weist mich der Installer darauf hin: \"Sie k\u00c3\u00b6nnen die beiden nicht eingeh\u00c3\u00a4ngten Partitionen nicht benutzen.\"\n hast du die auch als \"formatieren\" ausgewaehlt?\n Ich hatte die schon vorher mittels GParted formatiiert.\n jetzt steht erkennt sie der Installer als: \"Partiton formatieren: nein, vorhandene Daten erhalten.\"\n -steht\n also: partition formatieren. da hast ja keine daten drauf, auf die ruecksicht genommen werden muss\n Aber die sind doch schon formatiert!\n mach das einfach mal\n ok\n @bullgard4 Du hast ja nen Backup wie Du vorhin schriebst\n Der_Held: Ja.\n dann gib gas\n (Installieren des Grundsystems.)\n Jetzt fragt der Installer nach : \"[!!] Benutzer und Passw\u00c3\u00b6rter einrichten\": F\u00c3\u00bcr Sie wird wird ein Konto angelegt, das Sie statt dem root-Konto f\u00c3\u00bcr die allt\u00c3\u00a4gliche Arbeit verwenden k\u00c3\u00b6nnen. Bitte geben Sie den vollen Namen des neuen Benutzers an...\" -- Was soll das? Ich habe doch l\u00c3\u00a4ngst ein funktionierendes erstes Home-Verzeichnis!\n Lasall: ping\n @bullgard4 wolltest Du vorhin nur deine 1 partition auf ne 2 aufteilen?\n bullgard4_: gebe den gleichen benutzernamen an.\n Der_Held: Es kommt darauf an, was Du mit \"vorhin\" meinst. Ganz zu Anfang ja. Dann habe ich sie in 3 Partitionen aufgeteilt mittels GParted. Dann habe ich die 'ubuntu Server 11.04'-CD eingelegt.\n Lasall: Das habe ich gemacht. -- Dann fragt er nach dem Passwort. Ich gebe das alte Passwort an. Dabei springt er mittendrin zur\u00c3\u00bcck auf \"Benutzername f\u00c3\u00bcr Ihr Konto: \"\n (Das passier, wenn ich ein Sonderzeichen eingebe.)\n +t\n was fuer ein sonderzeichen?\n bullgard4_\n Lasall: Dieses Sonderzeichen werde ich jetzt hier nicht in diesem Kanal bekanntgeben aus Sicherheitsgr\u00c3\u00bcnden.\n ??\n Der_Held: ?\n geht klar. der benutzername ist auch exakt gleichgeschrieben? also klein und so\n Lasall: Ja.\n Lasall: Aber der Installer nimmt meine Eingabe nicht bis zuende an.\n ok, dann nehme erst einmal einen anderen uebergangsbenutzer, welchen du spaeter dann loeschen kannst\n [Paketmanager konfigurieren]\n [Konfigurieren von apt]\n [Software ausw\u00c3\u00a4hlen und installieren]\n \"Welche Software soll installiert werden?\" <- Was trage ich dort ein? Ich hatte ja die Softwareauswahl schon vorher in meinem /home vorgenommen.\n lese dir im staticwiki nochmal die servertypen vor, bullgard4_\n ok, nehm das normale wiki :)\n Lasall: Ich brauche keine Servertypen. Ich will wieder mein GNOME haben.\n kannst du da ubuntu-desktop auswaehlen, bullgard4_ ?\n nein\n @bullgard haste schon wieder die server install am start? \n Der_Held: ich verstehe Deine Frage schlecht. Im Moment ist meine 'ubuntu Server 11.04'-CD eingelegt. \n und was fuer ne server willst Du installieren?\n Der_Held: Ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte keinen Server installieren.\n und warum haste dann ne serverinstall cd drin?\n [Aufr\u00c3\u00a4umen]\n [!] Konfiguriere grub-pc\n Hi.\n Mein Notebook (Thinkpad Edge) wird bei Akkubetrieb nach ca. einer halben Std. einfach dunkel. An ist er noch. Tasten-dr\u00c3\u00bccken f\u00c3\u00bchrt zu nichts. Was ist da los, wei\u00c3\u009f das jemand?\n Lasall: \"Es scheint, als ob diese Installation von Debian das einzige Betriebssystem auf diesem Computer ist. Wenn dies der Fall ist, sollte es kein Problem sein, den Bootloader in den Master Boot Record Ihrer ersten Festplatte zu installieren. -- Den GRUB-Bootloader in den master Boot Record installieren? Ja /nein\"\n ja\n [Installieren des GRUB-Bootloaders]\n [CD-ROM entfernen]\n Reatarting System\n @vinzenz energie option ... schau mal nach wie eingestellt\n Lasall: Der Bildschirm bleibt dunkel. Ich starte von Hand neu.\n alles gute\n Der_Held: Ich war w\u00c3\u00a4hrend dessen aktiv. Der Bildschirm wurde dennoch dunkel.\n passiert wenn der Akku nicht mehr genug leistung hat\n Wenn Ubuntu Probleme hat/hatte - wird das irgendwo geloggt, sodass ich im Nachhinein sehen kann, wo das Prob lag?\n Der Akku ist voll aufgeladen.\n klar.. sagt aber nichts ueber seinen tatsaechlichen zustand aus\n Lasall: Beim Neustarten erschien kurz das GRUB-Men\u00c3\u00bc und verschwand aber nach weniger als 1 Sekunde. Dann bleibt der Bildschirm dunkel. Ctr.+Alt+F1 hat keine Wirkung. Soll ich noch einmal neustarten und dabei die ShiftTaste bet\u00c3\u00a4tigen?\n Vielleicht k\u00c3\u00b6nnte ich so aber herausfinden, warum er dunkel wurde.\n Hast du da einen konkreten Vorschlag?\n akku raus und ans netz\n aendere die bootparameter, damit du die meldungen beim starten siehst, dafuer im wiki unter \"booten\" schauen, streiche \"splash\" und \"quiet\", bullgard4_\n Der_Held: Das Problem tritt nicht auf, wenn er am Netz h\u00c3\u00a4ngt. Eine L\u00c3\u00b6sung f\u00c3\u00bcr das Problem sehe ich auch nicht darin, auf den Akkubetrieb zu verzichten. ;-)\n ?? Du redest wirres... Du hast Die Loesung schon gefunden der AKKU ist platt\n Der_Held: Das Notebook ist neu.\n Es gibt unter Windows keine Probleme, soweit ich das wei\u00c3\u009f (m\u00c3\u00bcsste ich vielleicht auch nochmal im Akkubetrieb testen).\n Gibt es irgendwelche Logdateien, die mir sagen k\u00c3\u00b6nnen, warum der Bildschirm pl\u00c3\u00b6tzlich schwarz wurde?\n hast Du Dich vorher informiert ob die Hardware unterstuetzt wird?\n less /var/log/messages\n Lasall: Ich habe beim Startvorgang die Taste 'E' gedr\u00c3\u00bcckt. Dann gelangte ich in einen Edit-Modus des Grub. Dort stand nur \"quiet\". Ich habe \"quiet\" gel\u00c3\u00b6scht und dann F10 zur Fortsetzung des Bottvorgangs gedr\u00c3\u00bcckt. Die Festplatten-LED leuchtete kurz auf. Dann war der Bildschirm wieder dunkel. Ich kann immer noc \n Ctrl+Alt+F1 hat immer noch keine Wirkung.\n bullgard4_: ich wuerde an dieser stelle vorschlagen, dass du dir eine desktop-livecd herunterlaedst und dir damit das system installierst\n Lasall: Warum?\n bevor wir jetzt nach dem fehler suchen...\n du kannst allerdings auch per chroot ins system wechseln und dann ubuntu-desktop nachinstallieren. siehe dazu [:chroot/Live-CD:] im wiki\n dafuer brauchst du allerdings irgendeine live-cd :)\n Lasall: Das ist ein 64-bit-Rechner, und das 64-Bit-System hat gut funktioniert. Ben\u00c3\u00b6tige ich nun f\u00c3\u00bcr Deinen Vorschlag eine 64-bit-Live-CD, oder reicht f\u00c3\u00bcr Deinen Vorschlag eine 32-bit-Live-CD?\n nein 64bit\n Die habe ich nicht.\n -> brennen\n wenn du einen genuegend grossen usb-stick hast, geht auch unetbootin, infos dazu im wiki\n Lasall: Was ist an einer Live-CD besser als an der Server-CD, die ich verwendet habe?\n hast du mir der einen reperaturmodus? dann koenntest du dich auch darueber per chroot einklinken\n Lasall: Ja. ich habe jetzt den Rechner neu gestartet mit der 'ubuntu Server 11.04'-CD und den Rettungsmodus ausgew\u00c3\u00a4hlt.\n sehr schoen, besorge dir irgendwie eine (ba)sh-rootshell, dann logge dich ueber chroot ein\n Lasall: (Ich bin njur schlecht mit chroot vertraut.) Ich habe jetzt ein Men\u00c3\u00bc mit 5 m\u00c3\u00b6glichen Rettungsaktionen vor mir: i.) Eine Shell in /dev/sda1 ausf\u00c3\u00bchren. ii.) Eine Shell in der Installer-Umgebung ausf\u00c3\u00bchren. iii.) Den Grub-Bootloader neu installieren. iv.) Ein anderes Wurzeldateisystem w\u00c3\u00a4hlen. v.) System neu starten. -- Soll ich i.) oder ii.) w\u00c3\u00a4hlen?\n wohin hast du denn installiert? nach /dev/sda1 ?\n ja\n also dortherein wechseln\n dann \"ubuntu-desktop\" installieren\n Er antwortet: \"Wenn Sie jetzt \u00c2\u00bbWeiter\u00c2\u00ab dr\u00c3\u00bccken, dann erhalten Sie eine Shell, in der /dev/sda1 als '/' eingebunden wurde. Ben\u00c3\u00b6tigen Sie weitere Dateisysteme (z. B. ein separates '/usr', m\u00c3\u00bcssen Sie diese selbst einbinden. {/usr ist bei mir separat.}\n Ich habe auf 'Weiter' gedr\u00c3\u00bcckt, und nun habe ich einen '#'-Prompt.\n Soll ich eingeben 'apt-get install ubuntu-desktop'?\n du bindest erstmal alle partitionen ausser home und opt ein\n (Dauert etwas. Er hat mein Tastaturlayout falsch erkannt. Ich komme mit dem englischen Tastaturlayout schlecht zurecht. Ich mu\u00c3\u009f neu booten und das korrigieren.)\n Lasall: Ist die Syntax richtig? '# mount /dev/sda6 /usr'\n ja\n Lasall: Ich habe nun alle Partitionen (des ersten Betriebssystems) au\u00c3\u009fer home und opt eingebunden.\n jetzt den desktop installieren. danach grub nochmal updaten\n Lasall: Nun aus\u00c3\u00bchren '# apt-get install ubuntu-desktop'?\n genau\n Das wird 30 min dauern.\n bullgard4_: dann viel spass, ich gehe demnaechst ins bett. also danach grub updaten. sollte es da noch nicht funktionieren kannst du dich schonmal um qualitative fehlermeldungen bemuehen.\n also beim booten ohne plymouth. festplattencheck, dateisystemcheck, badblockcheck. alle themen werden im staticwiki (siehe #ubuntuusers thema) erklaert. wenn du glueck hast, sind aber dann auch welche aktiv on. bye\n Lasall: Mit welchem Befrehl grub aktualisieren?\n#ubuntu-de 2011-08-07\n I habe Ubuntu erneut installiert mittels 'ubuntu Server 11.04' CD. Wenn das Login-Bild erscheint, kann ich den Cursor nicht bewegen. Und Ctrl+Alt+F1 hat keinen Effekt. Wie repariert man das?\n moin\n Moin allerseits\n Natty server 64 Bit mit GNOME 2 ignoriert die Taste AltGr. Deshalb kann ich mich nicht einloggen. Als Tastatur-Layout ist \u00c2\u00bbDeutschland\u00c2\u00ab eingestellt. Wie repariert man das?\n Das Problem scheint \u00c3\u00a4hnlich dem in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1514984 zu sein.\n guten morgen, wollte kurz fragen wie ich apache automatisch beim systemstart starte. befehl daf\u00c3\u00bcr habe ich, leider funktioniert es \u00c3\u00bcber System -> Einstellungen -> Startprogramme nicht. hat wer einen tipp f\u00c3\u00bcr mich?\n emexy95: apache ist ein dienst und sollte \u00c3\u00bcber upstart gestartet werden\n normalerweise wird der apache beim installieren schon so eingerichtet, dass er jedesmal beim starten mitl\u00c3\u00a4uft\n ,upstart? emexy95 \n emexy95, Upstart ist http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Upstart - Weitere Infos im query ...\n deem: leider wird apache nicht von selbst gestartet, wodurch ich es h\u00c3\u00a4ndisch starten muss\n deem: anscheinend muss ich jetzt ein upstart-skript erstellen\n emexy95: Was sagt denn initctl list? Du wirst mit Sicherheit kein Upstart-Skript erstellen m\u00c3\u00bcssen.\n sash_: also apache kann ich in der list nicht finden...\n emexy95: Welche Ubuntu-Version ist das?\n sash_: 11.04\n k. Moment eben.\n ok\n emexy95: sysv-rc-conf installieren, anschlie\u00c3\u009fend mit sudo sysv-rc-conf starten und bei apache Haken rein bei 2,3,4,5\n sash_: sind bei mir schon gesetzt...\n emexy95: ps ax | grep apache im Terminal eingeben und pasten, bitte.\n ,nopaste? emexy95 \n emexy95: Nicht selbst geschriebener Text wird im IRC sehr unleserlich und unhandlich. Deshalb sollten mehr als 3 Zeilen immer in einen sogenannten (No)Paste-Service abgelegt werden. Nutze http://paste.pocoo.org [paste]\n sonst noch jemand hier mit Intel 4965 Wlan? meine wlan connection schmiert sporadisch (ca. 2x am tag) ab und dann muss ich rebooten um die wieder ans laufen zu bringen dmesg -> http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/401992/\n sash_: http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/401997/\n emexy95: Und noch lsb_release -a in einen Pastebin bitte\n Bei meinem Ubuntu 11.10 in der VM funktioniert das exakt so. Wenn die Haken drin sind, dann startet er, wenn nicht, dann nicht.\n Oder hast du dir den selber kompiliert oder sowas?\n sash_: \u00c3\u00a4hm ne\n emexy95: meine apache mit 11.04 startet auch von selbst, ohne das sich was mache\n sash_: http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/402002/\n w\u00c3\u00a4re eine neuinstallation von vorteil?\n aber sonst funktioniert apache jetzt perfekt\n emexy95: wie hast du den apache denn installiert?\n deem: normalerwei\u00c3\u009fe ganz normal \u00c3\u00bcber apt-get install\n normalerwei\u00c3\u009fe oder hast du es so gemacht?\n weise \u00c3\u00bcbrigens. Weiches s.\n deem: selbst kompiliert hab ich es sicher nicht. und irgendwelche komplizierten sachen habe ich sicherlich auch nicht gemacht. also wirds auf die normalinstallation \u00c3\u00bcber apt-get gegangen sein\n emexy95: hast du oder hast du nicht? ich will keine wahrscheinlichkeiten oder dergleichen.\n deem: bin mir schon ganz sicher\n >_>\n EOS von mir. sowas tue ich mir heute nicht an\n deem: naja, schade... trotzdem danke f\u00c3\u00bcr deine hilfe \n emexy95: So. Ehm, wie gesagt. Es sollte eigentlich so funktionieren. Wenn die Haken drin sind, startet er, wenn nicht, dann nicht. Was du noch machen k\u00c3\u00b6nntest, ist ein 'dpkg-reconfigure apache2'. Hast du denn noch was an der Konfiguration ge\u00c3\u00a4ndert? An der des Apachen?\n sash_: habe mal den reconfigure gemacht\n sash_: ich start einfach mal neu, und komm hier wieder rein\n so wieder da...\n auf einmal startet apache von selbst...\n Dadamm. Freut uns doch.\n sash_: danke :-)\n B\u00c3\u00bcdde.\n muss dazu sagen, dass ich beim installieren damals, ziemlich probleme hatte. mehrmalige neuinstallationen, vielleicht hat sich da etwas an der konfiguration getan o. \u00c3\u00a4. \n ich denke der reconfigure hat gewirkt\n Kann gut sein.\n wirklich toll, wie man hier sogar am sonntag morgen schnelle und wirkvolle hilfe erh\u00c3\u00a4lt :-)\n so, dann verabschiede ich mich wieder... sch\u00c3\u00b6nes, erholsames wochenende noch\n Dito.\n Hallo, ich habe gerade f\u00c3\u00bcr ca. eine halbe Stunde in ein Web-Formular getippt. als ich es abgeschickt habe, kam die Meldung: Bitte erneut anmelden, Sitzung ist abgelaufen. jetzt ist alles weg. Oder doch nicht? Kann ich noch irgendwo finden, was ich eingetippt habe, z.b. im Cache?\n<_moep_> flo: alles weg\n Natty server 64 Bit mit GNOME 2 ignoriert die Taste AltGr. Deshalb kann ich mich nicht einloggen. Als Tastatur-Layout ist \u00c2\u00bbDeutschland\u00c2\u00ab eingestellt. Als testuser kann mich aber einloggen. Wie repariert man das? Das Problem scheint \u00c3\u00a4hnlich dem in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1514984 zu sein.\n flo: du kannst zur\u00c3\u00bcckgehen und hoffen, dass es dann wieder drinsteht. Je nach Browser und Seite funktioniert das.\n sdx23, _moep_ : zur\u00c3\u00bcck gehen brachte die Meldung: Session abgelaufen, bitte neu verbinden. Dann kam ich gleich auf die Startseite.\n ich denke mal eher: alles weg. Konnte gerade die ~/.mozilla/firefox/sessionstore.bak mit emacs \u00c3\u00b6ffnen, dort fand ich jedoch nur den Anfang meiner Mail, die ich geschrieben hatte bevor mein Rechner wegen Energiemangel unvermittelt runterfuhr. \n nach Neustart mit Ladekabel konnte ich dann weitertippen --- nur dann passierte, was ich oben schrieb.\n _moep_, sdx23 Danke sehr!\n flo auf wiedersehen!\n flo: wenn du noch wei\u00c3\u009ft, was du geschrieben hast (ein paar W\u00c3\u00b6rter in exakter Schreibung), kannst du danach mal greppen: grep \"Das schrieb ich\" .mozilla/ -R # aber erhoff dir nicht zuviel davon\n vermutlich wird das nichts weiter zu Tage f\u00c3\u00b6rdern, aber wenn es irgendwo gespeichert wurde, wird es das finden.\n sdx23, ~$ ist mein Homeverzeichnis, oder? also: /home/nutzer?\n ja, ~/ wird zu /home/$USER aufgel\u00c3\u00b6st.\n sdx23, also, et jibt leider nix neu\u00c3\u009f. danke f\u00c3\u00bcr deine Hilfe, ich geh dann mal wieder...\n Moin\n Kann mir jemand erkl\u00c3\u00a4ren, warum sich mein VNC Server (aufgesetzt wie im Wiki unter http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/VNC beschrieben) unter Natty 64Bit nach ca. 5s selbstst\u00c3\u00a4ndig wieder beendet? \n * bekks tritt diesen VNC Server. Weg damit.\n hi\n wo l\u00c3\u00a4d man sich den die w\u00c3\u00b6rterb\u00c3\u00bccher f\u00c3\u00bcr qstardict? Br\u00c3\u00a4uchte hier deutsch franz\u00c3\u00b6sisch und zur\u00c3\u00bcck. Die Hauptseite ist ja offline.\n Was ist das Wesentliche am Tastaturmodell \u00c2\u00bbde:nodeadkeys\u00c2\u00ab?\n Was ist das Wesentliche an einem Apfelkuchen? \n Fuchs: Wenn Du mir meine Frage beantwortest, dann beantworte ich Dir Deine Frage.\n bullgard4_: wenn Du deine so stellst, dass man sie beantworten kann: gerne. \n Fuchs: \u00c2\u00bbMan\u00c2\u00ab kann.\n bullgard4_: was genau interessiert Dich daran? Es ist das deutsche QWERTZ-Layout (nachzuschlagen bei Wikipedia, mit Bild) ohne \"tote\" Akzenttasten, also welche, die man in Kombination druecken muss, oder eben zwei mal. Beispiel: ' \" ~ und ^\n bullgard4_: ohne zu arrogant klingen zu wollen: wenn _ich_ es nicht kann, dann stehen die chancen schlecht, dass Man kann. Die Frage ist schlicht unglaublich unverstaendlich formuliert, deswegen die Gegenfrage mit dem Apfelkuchen.\n Fuchs: Ein Wissenschaftler und ein Ingenieur ist ein Mann, der die Dinge unvoreingenommen betrachtet. Das machst Du nicht.\n bullgard4_: zu Deinem grossen Pech bin ich Ingenieur \n und das ist Offtopic. Lern gescheite Fragen zu formulieren, ist nicht das erste mal. \n Fuchs: Ein Apfelkuchen ist ein Kuchen, den man mit Apfelst\u00c3\u00bccken b\u00c3\u00a4ckt oder mit (vorbehandelten) Apfelst\u00c3\u00bccken belegt.\n und was ist nun das wesentliche daran? \n Das Wesentliche daran ist diese Kombination von Kuchen und Apfelst\u00c3\u00bccken.\n bullgard4_: gut, dann ist das wesentliche von de:nodeadkeys die Kombination von de und nodeadkeys. Naechster. \n Fuchs: cool \n eine kombinationsgabe die ihres gleichen sucht - bei euch beiden ;)\n Hallo - kann man in Ubuntu die Men\u00c3\u00bcleiste in die Titelleiste verschieben?\n PolitikerNEU: Welche GNOME-Version meinst Du?\n Die von 11.04, moment\n 2.32\n PolitikerNEU: afaik nicht, nein.\n PolitikerNEU: In fr\u00c3\u00bcheren GNOME-Versionen ging das, ja. Wie das unter 2.32 aussieht, wei\u00c3\u009f ich nicht.\n Schade - in xfce?\n und wird das in Gnome 3 unterst\u00c3\u00bctzt werden?\n PolitikerNEU: GNOME 3 ist noch m\u00c3\u00a4chtig im Flu\u00c3\u009f. Mein Rat: Abwarten bis Oktober/November und dann sehen.\n Naja, ich f\u00c3\u00a4nde das bei den 16:9-bildschirmen sehr praktisch\n PolitikerNEU: du kannst die men\u00c3\u00bcleiste ins panel packen\n Naja, mein Panel hab ich auf der Seite, das br\u00c3\u00a4chte mir also nichts\n \u00c3\u0084h - mir f\u00c3\u00a4llt gerade noch etwas auf: ubuntu hat merkw\u00c3\u00bcrdigerweise die erweiterte Partition nicht \u00c3\u00bcber die gesamte verbleibende Festplattenkapazit\u00c3\u00a4t angelegt sondern nur \u00c3\u00bcber den direkt reservierten Bereich - kann ich die irgendwie nachtr\u00c3\u00a4glich vergr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fern (/ liegt auf der erweiterten Partition)\n PolitikerNEU: ja, mit etwas aufwand geht das\n Hmm - mit gparted find ich da nichts, hast du vllt. einen Link dazu?\n PolitikerNEU: dazu musst du ne live-cd starten, wie gew\u00c3\u00bcnscht umpartitionieren, so dass freier platz hinter der erweiterten partition ist, dann die erweiterte partition vergr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fern und dann erst die enthaltene logische partition\n PolitikerNEU: aus dem laufenden system heraus geht es nicht, da ext4 zwar online-resizing unterst\u00c3\u00bctzt, das allerdings eine riskante sache ist\n und sobald partitionen verschoben werden m\u00c3\u00bcssen, damit der freie platz an der richtigen stelle ist, muss man eh ne live-cd nehmen\n PolitikerNEU: achja, noch ein tipp: das live-system wird die logische swap-partition innerhalb der erweiterten partition nutzen. das musst du deaktivieren, damit du die erweiterte vergr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fern kannst. --> swapoff\n ppq: Ok, danke - ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte aber gar keine logische Partition vergr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fern, sondern nur eine neue anlegen - wozu die erweiterte vergr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fert werden m\u00c3\u00bcsste\n ok, danke\n ah, i see :)\n ok, kannst du trotzdem wie beschrieben machen\n ok\n Wie kann ich ermitteln, welche Partitionen mein gegenw\u00c3\u00a4rtig benutztes Betriebssystem verwendet? (Ich habe 2 nahezu gleiche Betriebssysteme auf dem Rechner.)\n mount\n PolitikerNEU: Das funktioniert. (H\u00c3\u00a4tte mir eigentlich auch selbst einfallen k\u00c3\u00b6nnen.) -- Danke!\n ppq, ne, beide Systeme sind verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselt im gleichen lvm\n dann brauch ich schon zweimal /boot, oder?\n mh, wenn beide installationen ihren eigenen bootloader haben sollen damit sie sauber voneinander getrennt sind - ja\n aber da beide auf der gleichen platte sind, istn es unsinnig, mehr als einen bootloader zu installieren\n ja, das alte system ist amd64 macht aber Probleme. Deswegen wechsel ich auf i386 und werde sp\u00c3\u00a4ter mal das amd64 l\u00c3\u00b6schen.\n oha, ok\n in dem fall ist es das einfachste, alles wichtige zu sichern, plattzumachen und dann nur ein system aufzusetzen\n das erspart dir einiges an frickelei\n und was genau ist das problem mit dem amd64 system=\n Lol\n die tatsache, dass es 64bittig ist, d\u00c3\u00bcrfte heutzutage keine problemursache mehr sein\n Der Treiber f\u00c3\u00bcr ein elektronisches Whiteboard installiert nicht.\n und hast du es mal mit nem 32bittigen live-system probiert, oder wie kommst du darauf dass das helfen wird?\n Hatte vorher 32bit drauf, bis ich gemerkt habe, dass der Atom ein 64bitter ist\n ah, ok ;)\n auf nem atom-system ein 64bit-os zu installieren bringt keine vorteile\n naja, wie gesagt, das einfachste ist backup --> neuinstallation\n und, wenn du meine meinung h\u00c3\u00b6ren willst, vollverschl\u00c3\u00bcsselung ist der totale overkill, gerade auf nem atom.\n nutzdaten zu verschl\u00c3\u00bcsseln ist ja sinnvoll, aber das ganze os... naja\n ok, d\u00c3\u00bcrfte kein so gro\u00c3\u009fer Aufwand sein, da alle wichtigen Daten im eigenen lvm liegen. \n zum gl\u00c3\u00bcck hast du ja noch externe backups, falls bei der aktion doch was abraucht :)\n unterstell ich mal\n BAckup und alles auf den Desktop gespiegelt\n Ich hatte es davor mit Verschl\u00c3\u00bcsseltem /home \u00c3\u00bcber den Installer geregelt. \n Kann mich jetzt nicht mehr erinnern was mich daran gest\u00c3\u00b6rt hat.\n /home \u00c3\u00bcber den installer mit ecryptfs zu verschl\u00c3\u00bcsseln ist nervig in der handhabung\n Ich glaube ich hatte vor \u00c3\u00bcber zwei unterschiedliche Installationen auf das gleiche /home zuzugreifen. Da hat das mit dem verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselten lvm gepasst.\n mach das lieber manuell mit luks und libpam-mount\n dabei funktioniert das Whiteboard eigentlich, nur eben nicht gleichzeitig mit angeschlossener Maus.\n Ich habe mit der 'Ubuntu-Server 11.04 amd64-CD ' auf 2 freien Partitionen Natty installiert. Ich kann mich nicht einloggen, weil die Tastatureinstellungen nicht stimmen (wahrscheinlich stimmt das aktive Tastaturmodell nicht). Tastenkombinationen mit AltGr akzeptiert Natty gar nicht. Den Tastendruck auf Y interpretiert Natty als Z. Wie repariert man das? Ich kann das Wiederherstellungsmen\u00c3\u00bc...\n ...aufrufen.\n Hey Leute! Hat jemand von euch Erfahrung in der Formatierung einer Intel SSD 320 bzgl Space Area? Wieviel sollte man zus\u00c3\u00a4tzlich zur defaultm\u00c3\u00a4\u00c3\u009figen reservierung freilassen? Performance vs. Restspeichermenge? Vielen Dank im Voraus!\n Agrigor: Die Frage ergibt keinerlei Sinn.\n Das, was Du \"formatieren\" kannst ist bereits die Nettogr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fe. Da kannst du nichts einstellen.\n Hi, ich habe mir http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/qshutdown instal. jetzt starte das immer automatisch bei Systemstart, und kommt alle 30 sec. in den Vordergrund. Weis jemand wie ich den autostart umgehe?\n ,autostart? travia \n travia, autostart ist http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Autostart\n Doch! Wenn du von der Netto gr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fe zB nur 8 Prozent f\u00c3\u00bcr Partitionen anlegst, bleiben noch 20% \u00c3\u00bcbrig die der contorller als weitere space area benutzt\n argh ich meinte 80 statt 8 sry\n oh, das leben kann so einfach sein....sorry\n Agrigor: Was spontan Unsinn ist, weil der Controller gar nicht erkennen kann, wieviel da wirklich beansprucht, aber noch nicht benutzt wurde.\n http://www.thomas-krenn.com/de/wiki/Solid-State_Drive#Spare_Area\n lies bitte\n W\u00c3\u00a4re mir auch nicht recht, wenn der Controller meine Partitionstabelle interpretiert.\n Agrigor: SSDs haben eine sogenannte Spare Area - einen Datenbereich, der f\u00c3\u00bcr das Betriebssystem nicht direkt sichtbar ist. \n Sie k\u00c3\u00b6nnen diese herstellerseitig vorgegebene Spare noch weiter erh\u00c3\u00b6hen (Over-Provisioning), Die Spare Area erh\u00c3\u00b6hen Sie danach mit einer der folgenden M\u00c3\u00b6glichkeiten, die jeweils daf\u00c3\u00bcr sorgen dass mehr Bl\u00c3\u00b6cke ungenutzt bleiben und somit wie die originale Spare Area f\u00c3\u00bcr Read-Modify-Write, Wear Leveling und Bad Block Replacement gen\u00c3\u00bctzt werden k\u00c3\u00b6nnen. Erh\u00c3\u00b6hung der Spare Area: durch Freihalten eines unpartitionierten Bereic\n Lies diesen ersten Satz aus dem Artikel und verstehe ihn.\n Und dann sage mir, was an meiner Aussage falsch gewesen sein soll.\n leis meinen letzten letzten satz und verstehe ihn!\n du kannst den bereich vergr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fern, in dem du unpartionierte bereiche \u00c3\u00bcbrig l\u00c3\u00a4sst\n Ich darf nochmal zitieren: \"Maximal 27% Spare Area erscheinen sinnvoll, weil es danach zu dimishing returns kommen kann.[23][24] Intel's X25-E 64GB nutzt 27% Spare Area. Durch diese gr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fere Spare Area steigt auch die IOPS Performance.\"\n Abgesehen davon hat dieses Thema nicht mit Ubuntu zu tun, IMHO.\n -.- \n bekks = klugscheisser ohne ahnung unglaublich...\n bye\n Aha. Tsch\u00c3\u00bcss.\n Und was stimmt jetzt?\n \"durch Freihalten eines unpartitionierten Bereiches beim direkten Betrieb. Erstellen Sie bei einer 160 GB SDD beispielsweise nur eine prim\u00c3\u00a4re Partition mit 144 GB und belassen Sie den Rest frei. \"\n Ja, das stimmt ja auch alles - das hat auch keiner bestritten. :)\n Und es hat dennoch nichts mit Ubuntu zu tun, wie man so eine Platte nun \"konfiguriert\".\n Hab eh keine SDD\n ich hab gefragt ob jemand erfahrungen hat und das betrifft schon ubuntu, wenn man es als os nimmt, da man damit bestimmt performance beurteilen kann oder?\n und da bekks anscheinend keine ahnung hat, k\u00c3\u00b6nnte er auch einfach ruhig sein.... getreu dem Motto: Wenn man keine Ahnung hat, einfach mal die .... !\n nett bleiben, bitte. Danke. \n wenn dir die antwort nicht gef\u00c3\u00a4llt, solltest du vllt darauf verzichten fragen zu stellen?\n und bitte auf die sachliche Diskussion zurueck. Wenn ihr das Zwischenmenschliche unbedingt diskutieren muesst, dann sehr gerne in einem Query oder im OT Kanal, dann kann man hier in Ruhe supporten. Danke. \n ja gern, meine Frage besteht immer noch und ich bin zu jeder sachlichen (!!) Diskussion bereit, sonst w\u00c3\u00a4re ich nicht hier\n Agrigor: gegeben, dass an einem Sonntag keiner da ist, der damit Erfahrung hat, koenntest Du auch noch im Forum anfragen. Da hat ein Beitrag eine laengere Lebenszeit als hier. \n also da: http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/forum/einrichten-verwalten/\n ja, werd ich wahrscheinlich gleich auch tun, dachte nur es w\u00c3\u00a4re vll zuf\u00c3\u00a4llig jemand da! Hab auch nur gefragt, nachdem ich jetzt shcon ne geschlagene Stunde mich durchs Netz google und noch keine antwort darauf gefunden hab^^\n ja, kein Problem, fragen darf man ja immer. \n alles klar danke dir!!\n wenn es so sehr eilt: freenode hat auch generische Hardwarekanaele, \n /msg alis list *hardware* \n da noch fragen. \n hmm k, danke dir, aber ziehe wahrscheinlich erst einmal das Forum vor^^\n Hi! Ich hab auf einem Toshiba Satellite Pro 4600 (schon etwas \u00c3\u00a4lter ;) ) das Problem, dass er beim Booten von Ubuntu 11.04 lange mit der Nachricht \"udevd[65] worker did not accept message -1 (connection refused), kill it!\" h\u00c3\u00a4ngen bleibt\n der Bootvorgang verz\u00c3\u00b6gert sich also ziemlich. Jemand eine Idee wo ich anfangen sollte, google ist keine Hilfe\n [natty] mein \"Zus\u00c3\u00a4tzliche Treiber\" dialog sieht so aus http://img7.imagebanana.com/img/zu8s8agp/Auswahl_001.png . was soll das da unten bedeuten und wie *benutze* ich den treiber denn jetzt?\n xorg.conf anpassen.\n hmm, sollte vllt. vorher das wiki lesen -.-\n 'sudo nvidia-xconfig' d\u00c3\u00bcrfte reichen\n und halt n x neustart\n ppq: hab ich getan, der dialog sagt immer noch dasselbe\n http://paste.pocoo.org/show/454219/\n das ist sie\n hi\n dAnjou: was sagt /var/log/Xorg.0.log nach nem x neustart? oder besser, gleich das entpackte ergebnis von 'sudo nvidia-bug-report.sh'\n ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde gerne auf eine neue distro wechseln, wie kann ich meinen gnome-keyring mitnehmen?\n hi\n captaincaptain, u.U. durch \u00c3\u00bcbertragen von ~/.gnome2/keyrings *vermut*\n rumpe1: das war auch meine vermutung wollte nur sichergehen, das ich mein zeug nicht verliere\n ppq: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/454221/\n captaincaptain, wenn du alle config-ordner von gnome in deinem home sicherst, sollte der auf alle F\u00c3\u00a4lle dabei sein.\n captaincaptain: zur sicherheit kannst du auch gleich dein ganzes ~ sichern\n dAnjou: wei\u00c3\u009f nicht, was der komische treiberdialog da hat.. da wird der nvidia treiber genutzt\n gibt's noch n anderen weg, um das zu verifizieren?\n 3d beschleunigung testen :)\n oder ganz klassisch: glxinfo | grep direct\n hi, welche ports muss ich denn freigeben, damit mein samba server von au\u00c3\u009fen gesehen und kontaktiert werden kann?\n johnnywlan: Im ubuntuuusers-Wiki gibt es einen Artikel zu Samba. Hast Du den durchgelesen?\n johnnywlan: man google nach samba/port oder sehe mit netstat nach. Aber zuvor \u00c3\u00bcberlege man, ob man das wirklich m\u00c3\u00b6chte. Tut man n\u00c3\u00a4mlich nicht.\n schau ich gleich mal nach danke\n ich versuch eigtl. nur diesem problem nachzugehen -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aGhWVbMvpo\n dAnjou's youtube link: ‪Osmos - Darstellungsproblem‬ - YouTube \n der text wird nich angezeigt\n obwohl ich 1A spielen kann\n UU is grad down \u00c3\u00bcbrigens\n aber google hats noch im cache\n http://staticwiki.ubuntuusers.de/\n https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocaleConf > Keyboard configuration - console meldet: \"Looking for keymap to install; de-latin1\". Das ist meine gew\u00c3\u00bcnschte Tastaturbelegung. Ich habe sie erfolgreich getestet.. Aber wenn ich reboote, ist diese gew\u00c3\u00bcnschte Tastaturbelegung verschwunden. Wie macht man sie permanent?\n wie kann ich die tastatur belegung 'ndern_\n bzw wo\n system/einstellung/tastatur\n und darunter ^^\n dank dir\n namd#\n hi, ich kann ja ip adressr\u00c3\u00a4ume auch mit einem /8 oder /24 am schluss angeben, jetzt habe ich in der wikipedia nachgesehen und f\u00c3\u00bcr verschiedene r\u00c3\u00a4ume verschiedene endungen gesehen, worauf beziehen sich die?\n ,ot? johnnywlan\n johnnywlan: Dies ist ein Supportchannel! Fuer Offtopic- und Stammtischgespraeche bitte #ubuntu-de-offtopic nutzen. Danke! ;) [offtopic]\n hallo allerseits. Wenn lsusb nicht das eingesteckte Ger\u00c3\u00a4t anzeigt, kann es doch nur sein dass der USB-Port kaputt ist, oder?\n geht's an nem anderen?\n oder das Ger\u00c3\u00a4t oder die Leitung...\n also, ich habe jetzt alles m\u00c3\u00b6gliche von einer Maus \u00c3\u00bcber einen Stick \u00c3\u00bcber einen Hub eingesteckt. Es wird nix erkannt\n NUR DAS: Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub\n das k\u00c3\u00b6nnte auf einen defekten Port hindeuten.\n da geht meine Vermutung auch hin\n \u00c3\u00a4rgerlich halt nur weil er vor ner std. noch gefunzt hat. war zwar wackelig, ging aber\n rieslingranger: Vielleicht liegt ein Wackelkontakt vor.\n tja, bei dem alten Teil (ist von ner Freundin die wenig geld hat) lohnt das wohl nicht mehr.\n rieslingranger: Durch einen Wackelkontakt kann auch ein Softwarestack abst\u00c3\u00bcrzen.\n hab es eben nochmal an meinem pc getestet. der usb-wlan stick wird per lsusb ordentlich erkannt\n Um diesen Fall auszuschlie\u00c3\u009fen, kommst Du manchmal nicht um einen Neustart nicht herum.\n -nicht\n rieslingranger: ist das zufaellig die kombination via chipsatz / ralink rt73 usb?\n also, dann muss sie das teil halt gegen eine pcmcia-wlan-karte umtauschen.\n ist eine netgear-n150. USB-Wlan-Thumbdrive (also so eine die nur ein paar millimeter hinten rausschaut\n rieslingranger: und welchen boardchipsatz hat der alte rechner?\n wenn du mir sagst wie ich das rauskriege\n lspci\n moment\n http://pastebin.com/TXEcGTku\n noe, intel-chipsatz\n 3com-netzwerkkarte klingt nach altem dell-notebook\n ich habe mit ndiswrapper versucht die treiber inf einzuspielen. hat aber nicht geklappt. kann das damit zusammenh\u00c3\u00a4ngen\n URALT Dell Latitude\n wenn es einen nativen treiber gibt, sollte man von ndiswrapper die finger lassen.\n eigentlich sollte man von ndiswrapper _immer_ die finger lassen\n leider gibts den aber nicht f\u00c3\u00bcr den netgear n150\n dann sollte man das ding zurueckgeben\n 00:10.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c556 Hurricane CardBus [Cyclone] (rev 10)\n Das ist doch kein Netgear.\n bzw. gegen eine pcmcia-wlan-karte tauschen\n bekks: es geht um einen usb-wlan-stick an diesem rechner\n Dann brauchen wir mal lsusb\n bekks: ging mir nur die identifizierung des boards\n meint ihr dass ich mit der ndiswrapper-geschichte das teil irgendwie kaputt gemacht hab?\n rieslingranger: unwahrscheinlich\n rieslingranger: Nopaste bitte mal lsusb\n rieslingranger: BTW, der olle dell hat nur usb 1.1, da lohnt sich ein 802.11n-usb-wlan eh nicht.\n http://pastebin.com/txgEhPFy\n rieslingranger: war beim lsusb der stick angesteckt?\n ja, war er und ist er\n dann taucht er schon auf dem bus nicht auf, schlecht\n rieslingranger: zeig mal lsusb an deinem rechner mit dem stick dran\n mom\n Das ist ein USB2 Stick. :)\n dmesg schafft da Klarheit.\n bekks: gibt es usb2.0 only hardware? normalerweise ist das doch 2.0 mit 1.1-abwaertskompatibilitaet\n POVaddct: Klar gibt es die.\n So ziemlich jeder DVBT-Stick zB ist USB2.\n Und jeder mir bekannte WLAN Stick auch :)\n bekks: usb2 schliesst aber laut standard den betrieb an usb1.1 nicht aus\n idefix - rieslingranger: idefix@idefix http://pastebin.com/F2MAMMpt\n Ja, Standard und Praxis. Welten prallen aufeinander :)\n bekks: dann kann ich dir mind. drei gegenbeispiele nennen.\n rieslingranger: Zieh den Stick mal ab, warte 10s, steck in wieder ab, und nopaste bitte \"dmesg\"\n auf der alten maschine oder auf der neuen maschine?\n Auf der Maschine, auf der Du den zum Leben bewegen willst.\n k\n rieslingranger: selbst wenn der stick irgendwann laeuft, mit usb1.1 soll die besitzerin keine wunder erwarten. pcmcia/cardbus ist sicher die bessere alternative.\n http://pastebin.com/c0vHHLDU\n bekks: auch der dvb-t stick hier (msi digivox mini ii) laeuft abwaertskompatibel an usb1.1\n rieslingranger: Du darfst erstmal neustarten, dein Kernel dreht am Teller.\n hallo\n das dauert aber ne weile bei der alten m\u00c3\u00b6hre. aber bitteschoen...bis gleich\n suche die Einstellungen f\u00c3\u00bcr wlan, die standen fr\u00c3\u00bcher mal in der /etc/network/interfaces ... jetzt nicht mehr. Wo finde ich speziell das pwd?\n ,wlan? curlysue \n curlysue, WLAN ist http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/WLAN - Weitere Infos im query ...\n ich guck erstmal dort, danke bekks und shetlandpony \n curlysue: das Pony ist ein Bot, und das Query deshalb, weil es den Channel nicht zu sehr belasten soll :)\n habe grade per stick oneiric auf notebook gestartet gehabt und wollte damit online gehen. Dachte, hol mir die passphrase aus der /etc/network/interfaces. Aber da ist sie nicht drin. \n curlysue: und die k\u00c3\u00b6nnen in der Tat in der Interfaces stehen, ansonsten in der wpa_supplicant.conf\n tja\n Wenn du allerdings das per Networkmanager konfiguriert hast steht das - irgendwo.\n sdx23, irgendwo? wo genau ist das denn?\n curlysue: \"irgendwo\" ist \"ich habe keine Ahnung wo genau, da ich keinen NM verwende\" ;)\n sdx23, ein bissl hilfts ja\n curlysue: afaik wird das ja sowieso seltsam vom Gnome Passwortmanager verwaltet. Aber da bist du mit Google bzw. anderen Leuten hier wirklich besser bedient als Informationsquelle.\n da das alles ootb lief, war mir erstmal egal, was das f\u00c3\u00bcr ein tool ist. Hab Symbol angew\u00c3\u00a4hlt. Schl\u00c3\u00bcssel rein. fertig. \n sdx23, das Symbol selbst sagt nicht mal, dass es NM heisst \n networkmanager hat zwei Moeglichkeiten\n aber das wird dann zu finden sein\n Moeglichkeit 1: gnome-keyring\n Moeglichkeit 2: /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/* \n Fuchs, du willst mir Arbeit sparen? ;-) Her damit.\n Fuchs, dann wirds wohl der gnome-keyring sein, denn etc hab ich durchgegrept nach der SSID\n die gibts da leider nicht\n kann man f\u00c3\u00bcr den Keyring ein Verwaltungsprogramm aufrufen?\n ah ja\n habe es in den Systemeinstellungen\n pwds und Verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselungen\n die ESSID liegt sonstwo, in der Regel gconf \n das Passwort hingegen muesste im keyring sein \n wenn es das nicht ist, dann ist gconf der naechste Anlaufpunkt\n ok, ja das ist im keyring\n das erkl\u00c3\u00a4rt einiges\n da ich eh neu booten musste, kann ichs jetzt ja auch aufschreiben :-)\n von au\u00c3\u009fen ist das wohl dann unverschl\u00c3\u00bcsselt gar nicht lesbar\n richtig \n fuchs - es hat halt alles seine Vor- und Nachteile\n hallo, vllt kennt sich hier einer mit nfs aus, ich hab da ein problem mit dem ich nicht weiter komme. mit s\u00c3\u00a4mtliche m\u00c3\u00b6glichkeiten, was im wiki und netz beschrieben ist, komme ich nicht weiter. http://paste.pocoo.org/show/454308/\n ansonsten - danke allen f\u00c3\u00bcr die Infobeschaffung - sch\u00c3\u00b6nen Abend noch\n gleichfalls, danke\n danke\n bekks: rieslingranger ist wohl im reboot steckengeblieben...\n lfan: Ich habe NFS noch nicht benutzt. Es sollten sich in dmesg Hinweise finden, wenn NFS nicht richtig funktioniert.\n Hast Du dort schon einmal nachgeguckt?\n lfan: In dmesg finden sich nur u.U. Hinweise auf NFS.\n bekks: bullgard4: thx. ich schaue da mal!\n lfan: Das NFS Setup sieht richtig aus, da es auch funktioniert. Ich vermute dein Problem eher in Nautilus.\n wieder da\n bekks: ja, ich hatte mit samba schon mal probleme mit nautilus, bin aber wegen der geschwindigkeit auf nfs umgestiegen\n lfan: Dein Problem liegt sehr sicher nicht im NFS Bereich, sondern in Nautilus bzw. Gnome.\n sorry f\u00c3\u00bcr die lange wartezeit...hier der pastebin nach dem reboot mit eingest\u00c3\u00b6pselten wlan-stick: http://pastebin.com/c4Sa2uEy\n rieslingranger: du hast kaputtes irq-handling, wahrscheinlich buggy bios. irq 11 wird immer noch vom kernel disabled.\n rieslingranger: wundert mich bei nforce-chipsatz aber nicht wirklich...\n also, lange rede kurzer sinn...pcmcia-wlan karte kaufen bzw. gegen die usb-variante tauschen\n rieslingranger: das war jetzt erstmal auf _dein_ board bezogen\n rieslingranger: Nein, IRQ-Handling hinbiegen. Sonst kannst Du nie sicher sein, dass ein Ger\u00c3\u00a4t auch funktioniert.\n problem ist nur dass ich ins bios nicht reinkomme wegen pw\n rieslingranger: Dann hast Du so gut wie keine chancen, das jemals zum Leben zu bewegen.\n rieslingranger: ins bios deines eigenen rechners kommst du wegen passwort nicht rein?\n bis gestern hat der alte usb-wlan-stick noch munter gearbeitet.\n das ist doch nicht mein rechner. das ist die alte m\u00c3\u00b6hre von einer freundin von mir die im moment keine kohle hat und deshalb hat sie von ihrem ex das laptop geschenkt bekommen. der hat aber ein pw ins bios gesetzt. ich weiss, alles ziemlich verworren\n rieslingranger: es geht gerade um die bootmeldungen von _deinem_ rechner, da wird irq 11 disabled.\n rieslingranger: dass das dell-notebook nicht deins ist, haben wir schon verstanden\n rieslingranger: Na dann erstmal das BIOS-PW zur\u00c3\u00bccksetzten w\u00c3\u00bcrd ich sagen.\n und wie stehen die chancen dass die pcmcia-wlan karte funktionieren k\u00c3\u00b6nnte?\n Schlecht.\n Solange Du das IRQ-Handling nicht korrigierst.\n rieslingranger: das haengt u.a. vom verwendeten wlan-chip darin ab\n bekks: moment. es sind zwei rechner dort. einer mit nforce-chipsatz und kaputtem irq-handling und ein altes dell-notebook. auf letzterem soll die wlan-karte laufen.\n stimmt\n bekks: auf dem dell-notebook wird sie von lsusb gar nicht angezeigt.\n der neuere ist mein samsung nc10 (netbook) und das laptop um das es geht ist ein dell latitude\n rieslingranger: das samsung nc10 hat einen nforce-chipsatz?!\n oh scheisse, verlesen. es ist kein nforce-chipsatz.\n :)\n \"cpufreq-nforce2: No nForce2 chipset.\"\n ubuntu laedt wohl mal munter alle cpufreq-module und schaut, was drinbleibt\n dmesg vom Samsung NC10 Netbook: http://pastebin.com/1mYrDLu0\n bekks: wie mache ich denn jetzt am besten weiter mit meinem nautilus problem. im internet steht nichts wirklich n\u00c3\u00bctzliches. w\u00c3\u00a4re ein auslesen von dmesg immer noch sinnvoll?\n Also hat das Dell Ding ein kaputtes IRQ-Handling, ein BIOS-Passwort und einen USB WLAN Stick, der nicht erkannt wird.\n lfan: N\u00c3\u00b6.\n idefix: interessant. bei dir wird irq 11 nicht disabled. welchen kernel hast du da?\n aktuelle mint 11\n bekks: nein, das nc10 bringt die irq-meldungen\n idefix: Danke f\u00c3\u00bcr das Gespr\u00c3\u00a4ch.\n Das ist kein Ubuntu.\n idefix: ich fragte ausserdem nach der kernelversion\n moment\n POVaddct: Wie gerade zu lesen war: \"Samsung NC10 Netbook: http://pastebin.com/1mYrDLu0\" hat das NC10 kein IRQ Problem, oder?\n Abgesehen davon, dass wir nicht \u00c3\u00bcber Ubuntu reden.\n bekks: das ist von idefix gepastet, nicht von rieslingranger\n idefix@idefix ~ $ uname -rm\n 2.6.38-8-generic i686\n POVaddct: Ok :)\n bekks: vllt liegt es doch an nfs oder mount o.\u00c3\u00a4, weil mit der konsole wird mir, wie mit nautilus auch kein inhalt angezeigt, obwohl es laut \"mount\" eingeh\u00c3\u00a4ngt sein soll..komisch\n lfan: Wie schaust Du denn nach, in der Konsole?\n bekks: naja, ich gehe zum mount point, wo es eingeh\u00c3\u00a4ngt sein soll, und dann checke ich den inhalt, und der ist leer\n lfan: \"checke\" ist kein mir bekanntes Kommando. Wie genau pr\u00c3\u00bcfst Du das?\n bekks: mit ls\n lfan: nopaste bitte mal \"mount\".\n ok\n aber eigentlich geht es doch gar nicht um den nc10. das netbook funzt ganz gut. es geht doch nur um die alte dell-m\u00c3\u00b6hre. und die frage an euch ist ob die wlan-karte die ich morgen kaufen werde funktionieren wird. klar, schaue ich vorher in die tuxhardware o.\u00c3\u00a4l.-Liste\n idefix: Wir haben keine Ahnung was von Linux Mint unterst\u00c3\u00bctzt wird oder nicht.\n idefix: problem war, dass die dell-kiste den stick nicht mal in lsusb anzeigt. deshalb haben wir vorgeschlagen, dass er den stick an sein nc10 steckt, um so wenigstens die usb-id rauszukriegen.\n bekks: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/454326/\n falsch...alte dell-m\u00c3\u00b6hre von freundin...ubuntu....meine privat-maschine l\u00c3\u00a4uft unter mint. um die gehts ja auch gar nicht. die war ja nur zum ausprobieren ober der wlanstick funzt.\n * bekks ist raus aus dem Thema. Das ist mir zuviel Verwirrung mit was wo wie wann mit welcher Distro getestet wird und was nicht.\n rieslingranger: bist du mit 2 nicks online oder ist da was schizophrenes dazwischen? da blickt man ja nicht durch\n :))\n ich bin mit 2 nicks und zwei maschinen online\n rieslingranger: das ist mist\n Und alles was Linux Mint heisst geh\u00c3\u00b6rt auch nicht hierher :)\n rieslingranger: dann entscheid dich bitte f\u00c3\u00bcr einen nick, ja?\n leute, ich habe doch nur eure anweisungen befolgt und den stick getestet. und weil halt grad nix anderes da war, hab ich halt ne mint-maschine zum testen genommen\n aber versprochen..ich fahre jetzt meine maschine runter weil ich die ja nicht mehr brauche und bin nur noch unter meinem nick da\n Hallo, gibt es eine M\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit, ein Fenster per Terminal in eine bestimmte Position (Pixel) zu verschieben?\n xdotool\n wiebekomm ich treiber f\u00c3\u00bcr miene wlan karte?\n ,wlan? torllo \n torllo, WLAN ist http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/WLAN - Weitere Infos im query ...\n ja\n naja, ich bedanke mich mal bei allen die mir geholfen haben. Vielen Dank\n POVaddct, Vielen Dank\n okay mag mir jemand beim instllieren miener wlan karte helfen?\n ,frag? torllo\n torllo: Einfach drauf los fragen und nicht fragen ob jemand etwas kennt oder man fragen darf (oder ob jemand da ist).\n ja okay ie geht das?\n torllo, sehr gut, es bringt \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt nichts zu sagen, welche W-Lan-Karte es ist, das ist n\u00c3\u00a4mlich \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt nicht wichtig f\u00c3\u00bcr die Antwort.\n Hallo. Ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte in einer Log-Datei nach bestimmten Worten suchen und mir nur Zeilen anzeigen lassen, in denen dieses gefunden wurde. Wie geht das?\n \n ich hab kein wlan0 also denk ich das ich was installieren muss#\n Wenn Du keine genaueren angaben lieferst gibts leider nur ein http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/wlan\n ja das hilft mir auch nich weiter\n http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/WLAN\n ups sorry\n wlan0 IEEE 802.11bg ESSID:off/any \n Mode:Managed Access Point: Not-Associated Tx-Power=off \n Retry long limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off\n Power Management:on\n Hab's.\n okay was wollt ihr wissen damit ihr mir helfen k\u00c3\u00b6nnt?\n erst mal was das f\u00c3\u00bcr karte ist. Evtl. gibt ja schon lsusb oder lspci dar\u00c3\u00bcber aufschlu\u00c3\u009f\n ok ich bin der totale neuling hier, was bitte ist lsusb oder lspci?\n torllo: Ein (bzw. zwei) Befehl(e) die Du bitte ins Ternimal eintippst und das was zur\u00c3\u00bcckkommt pastest. Aber bitte nicht direkt wie gerade.\n ,nopasten? torllo\n torllo: Um einen Text zu nopasten, gehe folgendermassen vor: Folge dem Link http://paste.pocoo.org . Waehle das Textfeld aus und kopiere dort hinein deinen Text, den du anderen zugaenglich machen moechtest. Klicke dann \"Absenden\". Die Seite wird neu laden und eine andere URL haben. Ueber diese URL ist mein Paste dann fuer andere erreichbar, dh. diese URL gibst du dann in den Channel.\n http://paste.pocoo.org/show/454350/\n rt2570?=\n ja. der rt73usb-treiber sollte dafuer geladen sein.\n muss ich was machen?\n die ausgabe von \"iwconfig\" nopasten\n http://paste.pocoo.org/show/454353/\n und wie kommst du drauf, dass dir wlan0 fehlt?\n wei\u00c3\u009f ioch jetzt auch nich mehr\n da macht supporten so richtig spass.\n tut mirleid\n torllo: uebrigens, der rt73usb-treiber unterstuetzt sogar ap-mode (seit kernel 2.6.37 oder so)\n ap=airplay?\n access point\n okay\n aber warum kann ich mich dan nicht mit dem netzwerk hier verbinden bzw seh es nicht mal\n ?\n zu weit weg vom wlan-ap?\n maximal 1meter\n und die schaltfl\u00c3\u00a4che funknetzwerk ist auch grau hinterleg also ich kann die nich anklicken\n okay, das ist jetzt gnome- bzw. network manager spezifisch, da muss jemand anderes helfen. der treibersupport ist jedenfalls vorhanden.\n ok dann dank nich dir\n torllo, ist vielleicht einfach die SSID des Netzwerkes versteckt?\n nein\n alle schlatfl\u00c3\u00a4chen die mit wlan z u tun haben isn dgrau hinterlegt\n torllo, welche Ubuntu-Version?\n hi, kennt jemand folgendes problem: ich kann mich per umts einw\u00c3\u00a4hlen, verbindung steht, aber ich kann keine seiten aufrufen, noch nichtmal pingen\n bis vor ein paar tagen gings prima\n die verbindung ist sicher da, nur das routing klappt nicht? weder ping noch browser wissen, wo's langgeht\n hat jemand eine idee?\n hey,ist es irgendwie m\u00c3\u00b6glich unter X mein touchpad bis aufs 2 finger scrollen auszuschalten?\n Cirdan_, kannst 209.85.148.106 aufrufen?\n @dadrc 11.04\n torllo, hast du eventuell aus Versehen die Karte in Ubuntu deaktiviert?\n nicht das ich w\u00c3\u00bcsste\n wo k\u00c3\u00b6nnte ich das r\u00c3\u00bcckg\u00c3\u00a4nging machen?\n KojiroAK: nein, ich kann gar keine adressen aufrufen\n KojiroAK: chrome sagt immer \"sending request\", firefox sucht ewig die adresse und ping tut gar nix, sagt aber auch nicht \"no network available\"\n torllo, im Panel sollte das Networkmanager-Applet sein. Rechtsklick darauf, in dem Men\u00c3\u00bc kann man das umschalten\n KojiroAK: WLAN etc. gehen aber problemlos, habe auch schon probiert, die UMTS-Verbindung neu anzulegen, aber ohne Erfolg\n bitte was?\n nein ich kann im pannel nichts aktivieren oder deaktivieren\n Cirdan_, du hast also schon versucht eine IP aufzurufen und keine URL?\n KojiroAK: ja\n torllo, 11.04 ganz normal mit Unity? Der Netzwerkmanager ist aber da, ja?\n Cirdan_, hmm, allenfalls der falsche APN?\n unity?\n Cirdan_: was ist das?\n arg\n KojiroAK: was ist aon?\n apn\n Cirdan_, der Acces Point. \n torllo, die neue Oberfl\u00c3\u00a4che. Panel oben, Taskleiste links...\n Cirdan_, ein Provider kann mehrere APN haben.\n KojiroAK: das problem tritt \u00c3\u00bcberall auf, an verschiedenen orten in deutschland, falls es darum geht\n Cirdan_, z.B. Orange in der Schweiz hat internet und click\n KojiroAK: und es trat relativ pl\u00c3\u00b6tzlich auf\n und da?\n KojiroAK: vorher gings, dann war der laptop ne stunde aus, und danach gings nicht mehr\n Cirdan_, du nutzt Networkmanager zur Verbindung?\n KojiroAK: ja, genau\n KojiroAK: und der zeit eine verbindung an, die auch definitiv besteht, ich kann sie bei ping auch gezielt ausw\u00c3\u00a4hlen\n KojiroAK: und ifconfig zeigt sie an\n Cirdan_, google mal nach deinem Provider und APN\n und arum kann ich keine ordner freigeben?\n KojiroAK: werde ich tun. ich kann \u00c3\u00bcbrigens noch nicht mal die P-t-P-IP, die ifconfig angibt, \u00c3\u00bcber diese Verbindung pingen... ich tippe daher eher auf ein lokales routing-problem?\n Cirdan_, davon h\u00c3\u00a4tte ich jetzt keine Ahnung.\n KojiroAK: ok, aber danke f\u00c3\u00bcr die hilfe! APN scheint nicht der richtige Tipp zu sein\n gn8\n Cirdan_, bisher wenn ich Probleme mit UMTS hatte lag es entweder am DNS des Provider oder der falsche APN war drin.\n Cirdan_, was auch sein kann, ist das da zu viele Leute in deiner Zelle sind.\n KojiroAK: es h\u00c3\u00a4ngt definitiv nicht am netz, die verbindung ist ja da, sondern daran, dass ich nichts \u00c3\u00bcber sie machen kann\n Wobei, das Problem besteht ja schon ein paar Tage.\n KojiroAK: aber vllt habe ich gerade einen mit einem \u00c3\u00a4hnlichen problem gefunden\n KojiroAK: und es passiert auch \u00c3\u00bcberall, ich war viel unterwegs\n KojiroAK: klingt wie http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1799359, ich schau mal an, was da als l\u00c3\u00b6sung genannt wird\n torllo, kann ich bitte einen Screenshot vom Rechtsklickmen\u00c3\u00bc des Netzwerkmanagers haben?\n Cirdan_, da scheint es ein Treiberproblem eines propriet\u00c3\u00a4ren W-LAN-Treiber zu sein.\n okay wie kann ich dir einen schicken?\n torllo, einfach irgendwo hochladen. imgur zB, da kannst du das bild direkt danach auch wieder l\u00c3\u00b6schen, wenn du magst.\n ubuntu is f\u00c3\u00bcr mich komplletes nueland\n inzwischen glaub ich es w\u00c3\u00a4re einfacher gewesen mit win xp meinen intnern file servre zu bastln\n wie mach ich hier nen screen und wie speicher ich den?\n Cirdan_, welchen Provider hast du?\n KojiroAK: medion mobile, also e-plus\n torllo, drucken-taste dr\u00c3\u00bccken\n KojiroAK: aber schaut gerade sehr nach routing-problem aus\n KojiroAK: ifconfig ist wie immer, verbindung ist hergestellt\n Stimmt eigentlich, wenn es der falsche APN w\u00c3\u00a4re, m\u00c3\u00bcsste \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt keine Verbindung zu Stande kommen.\n okay\n und wie kannich das jetzt als imag speichern?\n Cirdan_, ach ja, ich kann hier die P-t-P-IP auch nicht pingen.\n KojiroAK: hmm, aber den rest kannst du pingen?\n Cirdan_, also die anderen I-Net-Seiten? ja. Google geht ohne Probleme.\n Cirdan_, wobei ich nutze Sunrise.\n KojiroAK: hmm\n Cirdan_, aber schau doch mal unter Netzwerkmanager-Icon, Rechtsklick -> Verbindungen bearbeiten -> Mobiles Breitband -> Verbindung markieren -> Bearbeiten -> Reiter \"Mobiles Breitband\" und dann dort schauen ob bei APN auch internet.eplus.de steht.\n KojiroAK: ja, tut es\n KojiroAK: aber der network-manager hat auch eine klatsche, er kann auch verbinden, wenn \"mobile broadband\" nicht aktiviert ist...\n KojiroAK: ich gebs auf, man kann anscheinend den network-manager auch nicht resetten\n KojiroAK: das hat mich jetzt schon stunden gekostet, ich werde wahrscheinlich einfach ein neues ubuntu dr\u00c3\u00bcberb\u00c3\u00bcgeln, das ist mir zu bl\u00c3\u00b6d\n ich geh schlafen bis morgen\n KojiroAK: aber vielen dank f\u00c3\u00bcr die hilfe!\n Cirdan_, naja, ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde nicht komplett ausschliessen, das E-Plus da ein Problem hat.\n anyone here who grepped a longer line than 80 characters from w?\n oh de\n nabend ..\n jemand da der mir helfen kann? ich habe ein Problem mit der install von ubuntu 10.4.2 oder 11.04\n ich! hier ich! ich hab ahnung!!!! ich allein!\n dann leg mal los :P\n cd rein -> 2mal klicken -> fertig\n N\u00c3\u0084CHSTER\n das prob was ich habe bei schritt 3 oder 4 das er nix zum partitionieren findet ich aber mit strg+alt+f1 und dmesg die platte finde\n sch\u00c3\u00b6n w\u00c3\u00a4re es \n :>\n ich habe jetzt sogar schon mit nem grml die partitionen angelegt .. aber das will er auch nicht..\n ok, kann dir doch nich helfen\n tjo\n tuvok: wolltest du echt nur warten, bis einer \"hier!\" br\u00c3\u00bcllt, damit du die eigentliche frage stellst?\n nein :>\n hast du aber\n ich war noch nicht fertig mit schreibseln :>\n also in nem anderen raum :>\n oke ich glaub die uhrzeit machts nich grad einfacher :>\n#ubuntu-de 2012-07-30\n moin, was will ich machen damit der wetterindikator von 12.04 unity wieder geht?\n er refresht sich nimmi\n \u00c3\u00a4h, nimmi=nichtmehr\n moin\n irgendwie spinnt strato grad rum, kann das sein?\n Blindie: falscher Channel\n ups, sorry\n np\n der name hir ist nur k\u00c3\u00bcrzer:D\n<[Linuxfan]> habe versucht bei ubuntu 10.04 das beim hoch fahren der text kommen soll aber nun das tty complet schwarz wie kann ich das wieder zur\u00c3\u00bcck setzen\n [Linuxfan]: das r\u00c3\u00bcckg\u00c3\u00a4ngig machen, was du vorher ge\u00c3\u00a4ndert hast\n hast du ssh zugang [Linuxfan]? dann kannst es mit nem anderen PC r\u00c3\u00bcckg\u00c3\u00a4ngig machen\n<[Linuxfan]> koegs habe ich aber er will nicht tty bis tty7 bleibt schwarz und jetzt bunte farben striche\n nimm halt nen remote bildschirm, per was auch immer\n vlt hast du da mehr gl\u00c3\u00bcck\n wobei, das geht ja auch nicht mehr\n vergesst es\n<[Linuxfan]> tty bis tty7 ist wieder dar . wie kann man die buschstaben kleiner machen das man mehr sehen kann\n moin\n ich wei\u00c3\u009f nicht ob ich hier richtig bin...aber ich h\u00c3\u00a4tte eine Frage zu Ubuntu 12.04 in Verbindung mit KDE 4.8.4\n ich kann mich dort, wenn ich mich im KDE befinde, weder ausloggen, noch herunterfahren\n sobald ich dort dir \"buttons\" daf\u00c3\u00bcr dr\u00c3\u00bccke passiert einfach nichts\n kennt jemand das Problem?\n Sven__: wie hast du kde denn installiert?\n das ist das \"normale\" was \u00c3\u00bcber synaptic aus den precise penguin repositories angeboten wird\n pangolin...\n also hast du nur kde, aber nicht kubuntu-desktop installiert?\n ich hab die ubuntu-install cd genommen, keine kubuntu\n falls du das meinst\n nein. es gibt sowohl das paket kde, als auch kubuntu-desktop\n letzteres zieht noch ein paar abh\u00c3\u00a4ngigkeiten mit sich, die dein problem vielleicht l\u00c3\u00b6sen k\u00c3\u00b6nnten\n hm..ok..ich guck mal nach\n ist in der tat nicht installiert\n ich hole das mal nach\n danke erstmal\n so..kde mal restarten ..ich melde mich dann gleich nochmal\n danke deem, ich glaube das war genau was gefehlt hatte\n =)\n ich werde dann mal weiter das system einstellen....danke nochmal und evtl bis gleich/demn\u00c3\u00a4chst :p\n cu\n Kann hier jemand unter 12.04 mit Unity diesen Fehler reproduzieren?: Firefox starten, Smart-Men\u00c3\u00bc \u00c3\u00b6ffnen (normalerweise alt-Taste), irgendwas eintippen, FF st\u00c3\u00bcrzt ab\n ach ich glaube ich habe gerade den passenden Bugreport auf launchpad gefunden\n arum verweist ubottu bei \"NX\" auf FreeNX, wo doch FreeNX nur \u00c3\u00bcber ein PPA zu beziehen ist?\n hallo. ich verwende eine software aus dem ubuntu software center. am standpc habe ich die gleiche software f\u00c3\u00bcr windows in einer neueren version. dadurch hab ich kompatibilit\u00c3\u00a4tsprobleme bei den bearbeiteten dateien. wie kann ich denn die ubuntu software updaten? (es geht um eagle)\n +W\n IM-Messenger 'Jitsi' keine webcam. In VLC und andern Proggis ist die cam tadellos da.\n rhumbot: Das einfacheste Rezept: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade.\n da patcht er doch auch nur so weit, wie das update registriert ist?\n apricot1: Es gibt eine Jitsi-Developer-Mailingliste. Schildere das Problem dort.\n ok, danke\n rhumbot: Es sempfiehlt sich in diesem Kanal, an den Anfang den Nick des Adressaten zu schreiben.\n bullgard6 danke f\u00c3\u00bcr den hinweis. ich hab gerade update und upgrade verwendet und die version von eagle hat sich nicht ge\u00c3\u00a4ndert. auch netbeans z.b. ist noch immer die version 7.0 im software center obwohl es schon 7.2 gibt\n rhumbot: hintergrund: wenn ein ubuntu-release einmal draussen ist, werden keine neuen versionen mehr aufgenommen (mit wenigen ausnahmen), sondern nur noch bug- respektive security fixes.\n rhumbot: Das war auf jeden Fall ein erster richtiger Schritt, den Du gemacht hast. Nun kannst Du noch suchen, ob es ein Ubuntu-PPA daf\u00c3\u00bcr gibt. Wenn nicht, ob es \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt ein PPA daf\u00c3\u00bcr gibt. Wenn es das auch nicht gibt, dann versuchen, ob Du einen neuen Quelltext bekommst. Den mu\u00c3\u009ft Du dann selbst kompilieren.\n rhumbot: ergo, wenn zum zeitpunkt des releases der von dir verwendeten ubuntu-version 7.0 des programms drin war, dann bleibt das auch so. l\u00c3\u00b6sungsvorschl\u00c3\u00a4ge w\u00c3\u00a4ren, wie bullgard6 schon sagte a) ein ppa b) ein paket des herstellers c) selber kompilieren.\n was habt ihr immer alle mit euren ppas? wie w\u00c3\u00a4re es damit einfach ein .deb paket runterzuladen?\n okey. danke!\n deem: pro ppa: updates.\n deem: jetzt kommst du.\n deem: pro ppa: intakte abh\u00c3\u00a4ngigkeiten.\n deem: jetzt kommst du.\n deem: Ich bin kein Freund von PPAs. Aber rhumbot wollte etwas \"ganz Neues\".\n *wenn* ein ppa gut gepfelgt ist, ist nichts negatives dran. nur ist die qualit\u00c3\u00a4t der pflege eben sehr unterschiedlich-\n LetoThe2nd: deb pakete haben auch abh\u00c3\u00a4ngigkeiten. zur not schmei\u00c3\u009ft man ein apt-get install -f hinterher. bei deb paketen hat man aber immerhin nicht das risiko, dass man pl\u00c3\u00b6tzlich pakete bei einem update bekommt, die man gar nicht m\u00c3\u00b6chte\n deem: sorry, aber bei install -f kommt mir gerade mein mittagessen hoch.\n na wie du meinst\n klar, wer alle meldungen einfach abnickt, dem kann man ppas was unterschieben. nur ist dann -f sicher nicht besser.\n bottom line: wer nicht weiss was er tut sollte beides nicht machen.\n joa, f klingt irgendwie b\u00c3\u00b6se nach force?\n ne, das klingt nach fix\n wie in heile machen\n hi, wei\u00c3\u009f jemand welcher dienst xrandr automatisch ausf\u00c3\u00bchrt, wenn man vga anschlie\u00c3\u009ft? ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde diese funktion gerne bei lubuntu nachr\u00c3\u00bcsten\n hallo\n habe ein problem. ich habe mir den cinnamon desktop installiert aber wenn ich ein bildschirmfoto machen will egal ob ganzenbildschirm aktives fenster oder ausgew\u00c3\u00a4hlter bereich sind die bilder immer leer und nur das hintergrundbild wir aufgenommen.\n Noggo: ich schlage vor entweder die cinnamon-entwickler oder die Mint-Community um Hilfe zu bitten\n ok werde es mal da probieren thx\n very impatient.\n<[Linuxfan]> ubuntu 10.04 im tty sind die buchstaben zu gross wie macht man die kleiner ???\n [Linuxfan]: sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup (wenn ich mich recht erinnere)\n<[Linuxfan]> danke hat gefunzt\n<[Linuxfan]> im panel ist die uhr auf amerikanische zeit durch ( style \u00c3\u00a4nderung) wie bekommt man die auf Europ\u00c3\u00a4sche zeit \n Rechsklick->Preferences.\n Was ist ein \"code tag\" in http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/thunderbird-und-firefox-reagieren-beim-ersten-/\n Title: Thunderbird und Firefox reagieren beim ersten Hochfahren nicht \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Programme \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Forum \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at forum.ubuntuusers.de)\n bullgard6: Ich glaub das betrifft l\u00c3\u00a4ngere Paste (zB. von Terminalausgaben) die dann so eingef\u00c3\u00bcgt sind, dass sie nicht komplett alles zum\u00c3\u00bcllen sondern \"scrollbar\" sind.\n bullgard6: BTW hat dies aber (wieder mal) nichts mit Ubuntu-Spezifischem-Support zu tun.\n Oh, oh! Brille aufsetzen! Hast Du nicht das Wort \"Ubuntu\" auf dieser Website gelesen?\n<[Linuxfan]> ubuntu 10.04 die zeit von 12 auf 24 umstellen wie funktioniert das \n [17:48:47] Rechsklick->Preferences.\n [Linuxfan]: Welche \"Zeit genau?\n bullgard6: Die Bearbeitungung/Formatierung von HTML-Code in Foren oder Wikis (auch wenn es sich um Ubuntu-Spezifische Seiten handelt) hat absolut nichts mit Ubuntu-Support zu tun!\n hi, wei\u00c3\u009f jemand welcher dienst xrandr ausf\u00c3\u00bchrt wenn monitore an und abgeschlossen werden?\n jokrebel: Du irrst.\n fjodor: ich w\u00c3\u00bcrd mal so ansetzen: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5469828/how-to-create-a-callback-for-monitor-plugged-on-an-intel-graphics\n Title: linux - How to create a callback for \"monitor plugged\" on an intel graphics? - Stack Overflow (at stackoverflow.com)\n fjodor: damit soltest du auf nen hook kommen und dein script triggern k\u00c3\u00b6nnen.\n LetoThe2nd: \u00c3\u00a4hm aber ubuntu macht das doch schon automatisch, wenn man den bspw. externen monitor solo betreibt und den dann wegmacht schaltet er automatisch auf laptopmonitor und wenn man den externen wieder anschlie\u00c3\u009ft ist der automatisch wieder solo. nur lubuntu kann/macht das nicht\n<[Linuxfan]> bullgard6 von amerikanisch auf europa von 12:00 auf 24:00 auf den gnome-panel in terminal zeigt der das richtig an \n fjodor: kann schon sein, \u00c3\u00a4ndert aber nichts an meiner aussage ;)\n LetoThe2nd: naja der punkt ist ich versteh davon nicht so viel, klar das ist was was ich noch l\u00c3\u00b6sen kann aber ich brauch daf\u00c3\u00bcr min. 2h und das ist es mir nicht wert\n LetoThe2nd: schon allein weil ich das dann im hinterkopf behalten muss f\u00c3\u00bcr updates oder \u00c3\u00a4nderungen...\n [Linuxfan], ich schreibe es jetzt zum dritten Male: [18:42:52] [17:48:47] Rechsklick->Preferences.\n fjodor: tja wenn ichs jetzt raussuchen bzw. f\u00c3\u00bcr dich fertigscripten soll kostet das aber mich mind. 2h und das ist mir die faulheit eines supportsuchenden nicht wert wenn mich das thema nicht privat interessiert.\n fjodor: gibt sicher auch andere, vielleicht bessere vorschl\u00c3\u00a4ge, aber ich hab nur den einen. take it or leave it.\n LetoThe2nd: darum hab ich ja auch nicht gebeten...\n<[Linuxfan]> hdp das geht nicht / durch den neuen style er zeigt es an bei der einstellung setzt es aber nicht um \n Dann musst du die Ursache wohl in dem Theme suchen.\n btw. ist euch mal aufgefallen dass multiseat f\u00c3\u00bcr laptop ein ziemlich cooles feature ist? wenn ich besuch habe k\u00c3\u00b6nnen wir dann zu zweit auf facebook surfen :D\n [Linuxfan]: Rechtsklick auf die Uhrzeit \u00c3\u00b6ffnet das Fenster \"Clock Preferences\". Dort Clock Format radio button von 12 hour format umstellen auf 24 hour format. \n<[Linuxfan]> bullgard6 ubuntu 10.04 in der zeit einstellung steht 18:55 aber auf den panel zeigt er es nicht an nur 6:56 \n fjodor, Multiscreen umschalten hab ich mit Tastenk\u00c3\u00bcrzel \u00c3\u00bcber -> disper -d auto -e -> wenn screen dran ist den befehl ausf\u00c3\u00bchren. Wenn screen weg ist, wieder befehl ausf\u00c3\u00bchren. Hier gings damit sehr gut. Vielleicht hilfts?\n fjodor, Wei\u00c3\u009f aber nicht mehr wo ich disper her habe.. aber bestimmt schon einige Jahre in Verwendung.\n jo thx\n fjodor, Wobei ich Nvidia verwendee.\n [Linuxfan]: Was meinst Du mit \"Zeiteinstellung\" genau? Hast Du das Fenster, von dem ich gesprochen habe, gefunden und ge\u00c3\u00b6ffnet?\n fjodor, Soll angeblich mit ATI nicht gehen. Kann ich aber nicht sagen, da ich kein ATI verwende.\n<[Linuxfan]> ja bullgard6 das habe ich . die uhr neben den lautsprecher l\u00c3\u00a4sst sich nicht \u00c3\u00a4nderen in der einstellen ist is auf 24 \n [Linuxfan]: Hm. komischer Fehler bei Dir! Meine Empfehlung: Geh mal mit Deinem Rechner gelegentlich in einen Linux-User-Club und zeige den Fehler dort vor. Hoffentlich kann Dir dort ein Ubuntu- oder Linux-Benutzer helfen.\n [Linuxfan]: Man kann auch das gesamte Panel l\u00c3\u00b6schen und danach neu aufbauen. Dann verschwinden oft solche und \u00c3\u00a4hnliche Panel-Fehler. Ich kann Dir das aber nicht pers\u00c3\u00b6nlich empfehlen. Wenn man dabei einen kleinen Fehler macht, ist m\u00c3\u00b6glicherweise anschlie\u00c3\u009fend das gesamte Panel unbrauchbar. La\u00c3\u009f das einen erfahrenen Linuc-Benutzer machen.\n s/Linuc/Linux/\n ist es eig. m\u00c3\u00b6glich 11.10 auf 12.04 upzudaten, ohne die sources.list umzuschreiben?\n magerquark: Du meinst \"upgrade\" = aktualisieren? Ja.\n aktualisieren geht ja, aber ich bleib da weiterhin auf 11.10\n magerquark: Was meinst Du mit \"ich bleib da\"?\n mir wird 12.04 nicht angeboten, obwohl ich unter synaptic (jetzt heisst es \"software center\") eig. eingestellt habe, dass er mich bei jeder neuen version daran erinnern soll\n updates f\u00c3\u00bcr 11.10 kommen, das upgrade auf 12.04 wird unterschlagen\n du musst zuerst auf 11.10 updaten und danach geht erst 12.04\n fjodor, ich bin auf 11.10\n magerquark Den Artikel http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Aktualisierungen/Konfiguration?redirect=no kennst Du?\n Title: Konfiguration \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Aktualisierungen \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n bullgard6, kannte ichn icht, aber passt nicht zu meinem problem\n die updates f\u00c3\u00bcr das installierte 11.10 kommen ja anstandslos, nur die m\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit zum upgrade auf 12.04 werden nicht angeboten\n wobei ich unter synaptic eingestellt habe, dass ich bei jedem upgrade erinnert werde\n fr\u00c3\u00bcher musste man da die sources.list adaptieren, und die eintr\u00c3\u00a4ge auf die jeweils neue version umschreiben\n magerquark: '~$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'\n bullgard6, er macht grad was, ich k\u00c3\u00b6nnte aber schw\u00c3\u00b6ren, dass er das gestern abend noch nicht gemacht hat, da ich mir einbilde das gestern abend schon gemacht zu haben\n apt-get ist mir ja hinl\u00c3\u00a4nglich bekannt\n nope\n doch kein upgrade\n ok, bullgard6 und fjodor, herzlichsten dank f\u00c3\u00bcr die hilfe, ich bin einfach nur ein grosser trottel, ich bin eh schon l\u00c3\u00a4ngst auf 12.04\n sorry und danke f\u00c3\u00bcr eure zeit\n magerquark: Na dann ist es ja gut. -- Viel Spa\u00c3\u009f mit Ubuntu!\n hi\n re @ home\n cih versuch Teamviewer zu installieren: Fehler - http://paste.ubuntu.com/1119950/\n Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)\n Die L\u00c3\u00b6sung steht doch da. \n Installier das Paket, das fehlt.\n Nein! lib32asound2 gibt es nicht !!\n und ia32 will auch witeres haben, das es nicht gibt\n habs mit synaptic versucht\n Dann bedank Dich beim Hersteller des .deb, wenn Abh\u00c3\u00a4ngigkeiten verwendet werden, die nicht existieren.\n apricot1: Nach welcher Anleitung bist Du vorgegangen?\n nach verschiedenen, auch nach der: http://www.panticz.de/Install-TeamViewer-under-Ubuntu\n Title: Install TeamViewer under Ubuntu | panticz.de (at www.panticz.de)\n lib32asound2 existiert bei mir.\n Ist im Standardumfang von precise enthalten.\n wenn ich in Synaptic lib32asound eingebe ist der Bildschirm leer\n apt-cache search lib32asound2\n apricot1: Was f\u00c3\u00bcr Ubuntu-Version hast Du?\n 12.04 64bit\n Dann suchst Du im falschen Suchfenster. Nimm ein Terminal, und das Problem ist gel\u00c3\u00b6st.\n bekks: Ich find das hier aber auch nicht?\n habs ja auch hiermit versucht: http://www.panticz.de/Install-TeamViewer-under-Ubuntu\n Title: Install TeamViewer under Ubuntu | panticz.de (at www.panticz.de)\n geht auch nicht\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/1119969/\n Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)\n ia32-libs sucht auch wieder Abh\u00c3\u00a4ngigkeiten die es nicht gibt\n apricot1: Ich h\u00c3\u00a4tte gerne mal die Ausgabe von lsb_release -a; uname -a und den Inhalt der /etc/apt/sources.list\n lsb_release -a > xx1.txt\n uname -a >> xx1.txt\n cat /etc/apt/sources.list >> xx1.txt\n gedit xx1.txt\n cat xx1.txt\n lsb_release -a \n lsb_release -a sudo \n oh sorry :)\n bin falsch hier *g*\n *seufz*\n !paste > apricot1 \n apricot1: Nicht selbst geschriebener Text wird im IRC sehr unleserlich und unhandlich. Deshalb sollten mehr als 3 Zeilen immer in einen sogenannten Nopaste-Service wie z.B. http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/ abgelegt werden. Nach dem Speichern kannst du dann die URL der Seite kopieren und sie statt des Textes hier im Channel posten.\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/1119984/\n Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)\n das fehlte noch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1119991/\n Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)\n apricot1: Ich erhalte praktisch die gleichen Fehlermeldungen wie Du (auch 64-bit Ubuntu 12.04).\n apricot1: Warum folgst Du eigentlich nicht der Ubuntuusers-Aneitung? http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/TeamViewer \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 nicht dass ich es wirklich w\u00c3\u00bcsste. Hab hier kein Teamviewer.\n Title: TeamViewer \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n ich dacht schon, ich w\u00c3\u00a4r der einzige bl\u00c3\u00b6de :-))\n Wenn ihr beiden das precise-update Repo nicht aktiviert, k\u00c3\u00b6nnt Ihr lange suchen.\n ;)\n apricot1: Bin jetzt nich so \u00c3\u00bcberzeugt von Shell-Scripts von \"irgendwelchen\" Seiten.\n jokrebel, das hab ich doch auch gemacht\n Paket runtergeladen und versucht mit deb/synaptic/sodtware-center zu installieren\n immer der gleiche Fehler\n ...\n apricot1: Den Link den Du gepostet hast ist aber nicht das UU-Wiki ;-/\n ich hab es grad nochmal probiert... software-center meldet: Abh\u00c3\u00a4ngigkeit nicht erf\u00c3\u00bcllbar:lib32asound2\n das war mit dem UU-Wiki\n Nopaste bitte mal die Ausgabe von apt-cache search lib32asound2\n apricot1: Ein Shellscript von http://www.panticz.de/Install-TeamViewer-under-Ubuntu ist nicht das selbe wie das .deb-Paket aus demm UU-Wiki vermute ich http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/TeamViewer#Installation\n Title: Install TeamViewer under Ubuntu | panticz.de (at www.panticz.de)\n da brauch ich nix zu pasten, da kommt: 'nix'\n apt search lib32asound2 ergibtkeine Erfolgsmeldun, keine Fehlermeldung...nix\n Es ist ja auch \"apt-cache search\"; apt search gibts nicht.\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/1120024/\n Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)\n Und die komplette Ausgabe von sudo apt-get update bitte\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/1120030/\n Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)\n Und bitte mal die default repos aktivierne.\n d.h. precise, precise-update\n Und dann nochmal das apt-cache search ...\n bekks: Findet man diese lib32asound2 vielleicht nur wenn man ein 64bit hat? Ich finde das hier n\u00c3\u00a4mlich ums verrecken auch nicht.\n \u00c3\u00a4hhh. Paketquellen in synaptic ?\n steht doch in der sources.list: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1120040/\n Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)\n Laut http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=lib32asound2&searchon=names&suite=precise ist es ein amd64 Paket, d.h. 64bit.\n Title: Ubuntu -- Package Search Results -- lib32asound2 (at packages.ubuntu.com)\n<[Linuxfan]> ubuntu bash gr\u00c3\u00bcne schrift f\u00c3\u00bcr das virtuelle tty was muss ich dar ein tragen .. ich habe schon webseiten gelesen aber ich weiss nicht was ich eintragen muss \n http://paste.ubuntu.com/1120056/\n Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)\n jetzt geht die Installation pl\u00c3\u00b6tzlich pl\u00c3\u00b6tzlich...\n apricot1: Super ;-/ Jetzt wo ich extra auch versuch es zu installiern _obwohl_ich_es_nicht_brauche\u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n sorry... aber er ist noch nicht fertig... h\u00c3\u00a4ngt bei ca.30%\n Platte nudelt und nudelt ...\n apricot1: Gibt auch besseres. Ist halt eigentlich f\u00c3\u00bcr Windows gestrickt.\n ja schon, aber ein Bekannter in Berlin kennt nix anderes\n FreeNX+OpenNX ist besser\n da kommt er mit dem OpenSSh nicht zu Potte\n Heureka ... er is fertig. Teamviewer l\u00c3\u00a4uft auch ... was mag das wohl gewesen sein?\n Na vielen Dank auch f\u00c3\u00bcr die vereinte M\u00c3\u00bche :)\n Ist das eigentlich unter 64bit-Precise normal, dass der Flash-Player in Chrome gerne mal amok l\u00c3\u00a4uft?\n apricot1: Washast Du denn ge\u00c3\u00a4ndert?\n eigentlich gar nix\n :-)\n m\u00c3\u00b6glicherweise wars der apt-get update\n ~/.xsession-errors meldet > 1000 Mal: \"** Message: console message: @0: event.layerX and event.layerY are broken and deprecated in WebKit. They will be removed from the engine in the near future.\" Wie werde ich diese Meldungen los? (Andere leute haben sie auch.)\n bullgard6: Benutzt Du das denn?\n jokrebel: Was benutze ich?\n Webkit\n Hm. Nicht explizit. Vielleicht aber indirekt. Mein Verdacht ist, da\u00c3\u009f diese Meldungen mein Webbrowser veranla\u00c3\u009ft.\n bullgard6: Ja - h\u00c3\u00a4ngt mit Chrome wohl zusammen was man so bei Google findet. Sieh es aber eher als Hinweis.\n Chrome habe ich nicht installiert. Ich verwende Epiphany und Firefox.\n '~$ aptitude why libwebkitgtk-3.0-0; epiphany-browser H\u00c3\u00a4ngt ab von libwebkitgtk-3.0-0 (>= 1.7.92)'\n bullgard6: Was willst Du damit (sagen? fragen? \u00e2\u0080\u00a6)\n Ich wollte damit sagen, da\u00c3\u009f tats\u00c3\u00a4chlich Epiphany diese Meldungen verursacht.\n Zugriff auf entfernte Arbeitsfl\u00c3\u00a4chen > Protokoll SSH > Verbindung zu der ew\u00c3\u00a4hlten entfernten Arbeitsfl\u00c3\u00a4che herstellen > Passwort eingeben \u00c3\u00b6ffnet ein neues Fenster. Manchmal ist der Hauptfensterausscnitt leer. Meist erscheint aber der entfernte Prompt. Wie kann man dem Fehler \"Manchmal\" auf die Spur kommen?\n +g\n SSH auf der Kommandozeile zu demselben entfernten Rechner funktioniert immer.\n hallo zusammen wie kann ich mit Nautilus auf sftp zugreifen\n ?\n ich benutze Ubuntu 12.04\n devilangel81: strg+l dr\u00c3\u00bccken, da dann sftp://rechnername eingeben\n Anschlie\u00c3\u009fend verbinden.\n vielen dank hat geklappt\n Bittesch\u00c3\u00b6n.\n kennt noch jemand eine Open Source Cloud wo man Bilder mit raufladen kann und austauschen kann ??? die Verbindung geht \u00c3\u00bcbers Intranet sprich \u00c3\u00bcber ne VPN erreichbar sein\n gallery3?\n vielen dank werde es ausprobieren\n buildet der kernel auch auf nem 64bit system mit hyperthreading oder ist ubuntu nicht sse4-f\u00c3\u00a4hig?\n wiederhole die frage doch bitte nochmal in verst\u00c3\u00a4ndlich. Denn der kernel build hat erstmal nichts mit sse4 zu tun.\n ich hab geh\u00c3\u00b6rt dasss sse4 nicht auf 64bit funktioniert, aber es soll den prozessor doch schneller machen\n Wo hast Du denn den Unsinn her?\n Und was soll das mit dem kernel build zu tun haben?\n hallo, Was ich unter seahorse seltsam finde ist, dass man einen ssh-key \u00c3\u00bcber 8000 bits Schl\u00c3\u00bcssell\u00c3\u00a4nge erzeugen kann und den PGP nur bis 4096 bits. Warum ist das so?\n#ubuntu-de 2012-07-31\n m\u00c3\u00b6p\u00c3\u00b6pspsps\n mit welchem tool kann ich den Mittelwert(Gr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fe) aller Dateien in einem Ordner und deren Unterverzeichnissen herausfinden?\n bzw. wie kann ich herausfinden wie viele Dateien unter unter 1024 bytes sind?\n find ist mein freund\n nautilus kann das wohl nicht\n Wie kann ich \u00c3\u00bcberpr\u00c3\u00bcfen, ob eine SSH-Verbindung zu einem entfernten Hostrechner im selben LAN existiert oder nicht?\n und wie kann ich find dazu bringen die Suche zusammenzufassen?\n z.B. find -size +64c -size -4096c will wissen wie viele Dateien es sind\n bullgard6: im selben LAN beim entferntem Rechner?\n ben1u: Ja, der entfernte Rechner ist im selben LAN.\n hmm, ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde sagen, entweder kommt die Verbindung zustande oder nicht.\n Da musst du die lokale IP's einbinden zum verbinden.\n ben1u: \"[06:18]\tben1u\tund wie kann ich find dazu bringen die Suche zusammenzufassen?\" <-- Meine erste Idee ist, eine Pipe zu verwenden.\n hmm okay aber wieso macht es find nicht? das ist witzig wenn find das nicht kann.\n ben1u: Ich habe ein graphisches Programm zum Erstellen der SSH-Verbindung verwendet. Es ist mir klar, da\u00c3\u009f da\u00c3\u009f die Verbindung entweder zustande gekommen ist oder nicht. Ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte nun wissen, ob sie zustande gekommen ist oder nicht. Weil ich den Fehler aufsp\u00c3\u00bcren m\u00c3\u00b6chte.\n ben1u: Ich denke, da\u00c3\u009f find das in Verbindung mit einer Pipe kann.\n okay\n ich komme nicht drauf welchen Befehl ich nach der Pipe anwenden muss :/\n ben1u: f\u00c3\u00bcr was? gefundene dateien z\u00c3\u00a4hlen?\n ja\n ben1u: find gibt die doch zeilenweise aus, oder?\n ja\n ben1u: dann reichts auch zeilen zu w\u00c3\u00a4hlen :) man wc :)\n hmm\n hab probiert mit wc aber kam auf keinen gr\u00c3\u00bcnen Zweig\n ich probiere wieder\n ben1u: also so ein trivialbeispiel wie \"find . -maxdepth 1 | wc -l\" funktioniert hier ganz wunderbar.\n ah ich depp\n nur -1 musst nehmen.\n jetzt mit find -type f -size +64c -size -4096c | wc -l\n ben1u: selbsterkenntnis und so ;)\n jetzt gehts :)\n danke :)\n ich hab vorher mit -exec rumgemacht\n war der falsche weg wohl\n jepp. :)\n Was habe ich bei der Installation meines Ubuntu 12.04 falsch gemacht, da\u00c3\u009f ich auf meinem System die Datei /usr/share/man/es/man8/update-alternatives.8.gz habe? Ich habe in keiner locale \"es\" stehen.\n ich frage mich wieso fasst find das nicht am Ende der Suche zusammen?\n also von alleine, ohne die \u00c3\u009cbergabe an wc\n f\u00c3\u00bcr mich w\u00c3\u00a4re das ein logisches Feature\n ben1u: warum sollte es? unix-logik ist: ein tool, eine funktion. und \"finden\" hat mit \"z\u00c3\u00a4hlen\" halt mal nix zu tun\n okay, gibt es dann ein anderes tool, welches das kann?\n ben1u: f\u00c3\u00bcr \"z\u00c3\u00a4hlen\" gibts ein eigenes tool. und der unterschied zwischen leuten die's verstanden haben ist dass sie die unix-tools entsprechend kombinieren k\u00c3\u00b6nnen, anstatt nach replizierten features in allen m\u00c3\u00b6glichen formen zu schreien.\n ben1u: wenn du all-in-one haben willst, schreib dir halt einen zwei-zeilen-shellwrapper.\n naja man h\u00c3\u00a4tte es dennoch als Option einbauen k\u00c3\u00b6nnen\n ben1u: [x] du hast es nicht verstanden.\n doch habe ich :)\n ben1u: nein. wenn du \"z\u00c3\u00a4hlen\" einmal in find einbaust und einmal in wc, dann hast du replizierten code. schlecht zu warten. macht man nicht.\n ben1u: die unix-philosophie ist schon in sich stimmig. und \"man k\u00c3\u00b6nnte doch einmal, nur da..\" widerspricht der sache halt.\n na gut :-)\n Wieso hat Ubuntu 12.04 die zwei Dateien /usr/bin/update-alternatives und /usr/sbin/update-alternatives installiert? Wie unterscheidet sich ihre Funktion? \n bullgard6: \"ls -al /usr/sbin/update-alternatives\"\n /usr/sbin/update-alternatives ist ein Symlink auf /bin/update-alternatives. Wer oder was ben\u00c3\u00b6tigt /usr/sbin/update-alternatives?\n bullgard6: update-alternatives war mal in /usr/sbin und ist dann nach /usr/bin umgezogen (ungef\u00c3\u00a4hr 2009), damit alles noch weiterhin funktioniert wurde ein Symlink zur Kompatibilit\u00c3\u00a4t angelegt bis alle Paket-Skripte angepasst wurden\n huhu, kann mir jemand sagen ob man eine Dateisystem-Blockgr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fe von 64 oder 4096 nutzen sollte f\u00c3\u00bcr EncFS?\n unter 1024c habe ich 8254 Dateien und zwischen 1024c und 4096c habe ich 5316 Dateien.\n und \u00c3\u00bcber 4096c habe ich fast 18.000 Dateien\n ben1u: ich empofehle 4096.\n das klingt in erster Linie schon logisch, nur muss ich bedenken, dass dann alle Dateien unter 4096 Bytes mehr Speicherplatz auf der Platte verbrauchen..\n das sind immerhin 13582 files\n oder ist das eine Milchm\u00c3\u00a4dchenrechnung?\n ben1u: wieviel ist 13582 * 4095bytes (worst case)\n dann reden wir weiter.\n Mich w\u00c3\u00bcrde mal interessieren, wie Ihr das macht um in der Konsole zwischen diversen Pfaden zu wechseln, die man st\u00c3\u00a4ndig so braucht? Gebts da nen Trick?\n Bisher hab ich immer in Nautlius den Pfad besucht, dann \"in Terminal\" \u00c3\u00b6ffnen .. dann war ich dort\n Ich wei\u00c3\u009f zwar nicht worum es geht, wer aber viel in der shell herumwandert mag evtl. autojump: https://github.com/joelthelion/autojump/wiki/\n Title: Home \u00c2\u00b7 joelthelion/autojump Wiki \u00c2\u00b7 GitHub (at github.com)\n eh 55631872 Byte, also 55MB. hmm, kaum beachtlich dann? Also 4096 nehmen?\n rretzbach, H\u00c3\u00b6rt sich nicht schlecht an!\n Einfach mal ausprobieren. Ich kann fast garantieren, dass man es nie mehr missen will :>\n Jetzt auf zur Arbeit! Bis sp\u00c3\u00a4ter\n Danke.. Tschuess\n dreamon_: und mit cd in den Pfad wechseln?\n z.B. zu den Videos im Homeverzeichnis geht so: cd Videos\n einfach mit Tab-Taste vervollst\u00c3\u00a4ndigen lassen\n dreamon_: \"[08:55]\tdreamon_\tMich w\u00c3\u00bcrde mal interessieren, wie Ihr das macht um in der Konsole zwischen diversen Pfaden zu wechseln, die man st\u00c3\u00a4ndig so braucht? \" Ich verwende dazu mc. Das ist aber auch nicht super-effizient, wenn die pfade weit auseinander liegen.\n ben1u: Ja: lso 4096 nehmen.\n :DD ja, Sir!\n Yes or No? Enable filename initialization vector chaining? bez\u00c3\u00bcglich der Einstellung in EncFS.\n ben1u, Mir gehts ehr darum gezielt bestimmte Pfade schnell, greifbar zu haben. Ohne den Weg in Gedanken nochmal abzulaufen.\n hm, verstehe aber echte Coder machen das ruck zuck ^^\n dreamon_: aliase in .bashrc nutzen\n also alias cdbackup='cd /mnt/STORAGE/backup' oder so\n ben1u, Wenn ich nur ein paar Pfade wechseln mu\u00c3\u009f.. aber wenn ich nun von /home/dreamon/xx/yy/ZZ/AA/bb/mp3 nach /media/hdd/xx/yy/zz/aa/BB wechsle, wie soll das schnell gehen\n joa aliase daf\u00c3\u00bcr vergeben \n muss man aber alles im Kopf halten k\u00c3\u00b6nnen ^^\n koegs, Das werd ich mir mal alles Eintragen.. \n Gibt es eine Luxus Konsole, wo man das eventuell auch mitverwalten k\u00c3\u00b6nnte?\n dreamon_: Hast Du das autojump-Rezept ausprobiert?\n geser: Ah! Das erk\u00c3\u00a4rt es. -- Vielen Dank!\n bullgard6, Nein mu\u00c3\u009f ich mir Abends anschauen. Da hab ich mehr Zeit. Sammle Infos um es dann in Ruhe durchzugehen.\n dreamon_: Berichte mir mal bitte danach, wie es Dir gef\u00c3\u00a4llt.\n bullgard6, Klar. (geser hab ich gar nicht gesehn.. hat der was geschrieben?)\n dreamon_: Ja, er hat mir geantwortet.\n geser, Ich sehe deinen Text nicht.. Hat das einen Grund?\n ich mach mir einfach symlinks\u00e2\u0080\u00a6 z.B. f\u00c3\u00bcr /mnt/sda7/xx/yy/album einen in ~/Musik/Album\n dreamon_: das war schon um [08:38:43]\n Yes or No? Enable filename initialization vector chaining? bez\u00c3\u00bcglich der Einstellung in EncFS.\n ich versteh die frage nicht\n ich verstehe den kontext nicht :)\n This makes filename encoding dependent on the complete path, \n rather then encoding each path element individually.\n The default here is Yes.\n yes oder?\n kommt drauf an was du willst :\u00c3\u00be\n aber wie \u00c3\u00bcblich gilt: \"if in doubt use the defaults\" \n apollo13: ja ich versteh nicht mal um was es geht :D\n ergo, default nehmen und hoffen dass die maintainer es besser wissen als du ;)\n na jut\n ben1u, 'vector chaining encfs' schon mal in eine Suchmaschine gepr\u00c3\u00bcgelt?\n ne, weil Ihr ja da seid :)\n w\u00c3\u00bcrde mich wundern, wenn die da nicht geholfen werden k\u00c3\u00b6nnte\n ..\n *dir\n ich denke immer hier sind echte Profis unterwegs\n ben1u: ja aber die haben keine lust dir das denken abzunehmen^^\n du willst also \u00c3\u00bcber 'vector changing' nicht mehr wissen, aber deine Daten dort verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselt ablegen?be\n !changinghost > erdbaer\n erdbaer: Setze als Serverpasswort, um direkt beim Verbinden mit dem Server deinen Cloak zu erhalten.\n hi\n Hallo Ich habe ubuntu 10.04 und moechte das Battery-Icon in dem Panel haben. Leider kann ich das nicht im Menue \"zum panel hinzufuegen\" finden\n udo: Das ist in den Powereinstellungen vielleicht auf \"nicht immer sichtbar\"?\n uhm ... Powereinstellungen ?\n jetzt , ja danke\n udo: Hab hier grad kein 10.04 am Start, weshalb ich das nich exakt beantworten kann.\n nein, passt schon einigermassen, Hab nen neuen akku bekommen, der ist natuerlich leer, und unter energieeinstellungen war aber eingestellt \"nur bei niedrigem akkuladezustand symbol anzeigen\n komisch ...\n okay, danke jokrebel\n udo: Gerne\n Hallo\n Ich bin ein Neuling bei Linux.\n Hallo NewOnLinux \n Ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde bei Linux Mint beginnen.\n Aber was ist der direkete Unterschied? :)\n NewOnLinux: sorry, aber dann gibts gleicht den ersten d\u00c3\u00a4mpfer: mint supporten wir hier ausdr\u00c3\u00bccklich nicht, weil die ne menge verbastelt haben, gerade an der oberfl\u00c3\u00a4che\n NewOnLinux, ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde sagen der Support, und dass an Mint mehr.. verbastelt wurde\n hmh\n NewOnLinux: also ist vieles von dem was wir wissen/sagen nicht direkt anwendbar, und wir k\u00c3\u00b6nnen gerade leuten die nicht \u00c3\u00bcber hintergrundwissen verf\u00c3\u00bcgen kaum helfen.\n Also findet ihr Linux Mint crapper wie Ubuntu?\n NewOnLinux: daher, so im grossen und ganzen immer: jede distribution macht ihren support selber, und wir machen eben den f\u00c3\u00bcr ubuntu.\n NewOnLinux, http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Mint\n Title: Linux Mint \u00e2\u0080\u0093 Wikipedia (at de.wikipedia.org)\n gibt es ein Channel f\u00c3\u00bcr Linux Mint?\n ja, ##linuxmint\n ist der deutsch?\n ich glaube ja\n ok thx\n Gern, und guten Einstieg\n have fun.\n NewOnLinux, http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Linux_Mint\n Title: Linux Mint \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n da stehen auch unterschiede bei... zudem baut mint auf ubuntu auf\n also mint ist nen ubuntu derivat...\n wie schon erw\u00c3\u00a4hnt(query) wenn du nur andere oberfl\u00c3\u00a4chen testen willst, so kannst du das auch mit deinem jetztigen ubuntu machen\n einfach gnome3, kde, xfce, lxde isntallieren und testen\n Hab kein Ubuntu.\n dann installieren und testen :)\n ich pers\u00c3\u00b6nlich mag unity auch nicht. aber das offtopic...\n :D\n !desktops > NewOnLinux, wir h\u00c3\u00a4tten hier noch ne kleine \u00c3\u00bcbersicht\n NewOnLinux, wir h\u00c3\u00a4tten hier noch ne kleine \u00c3\u00bcbersicht: Hier eine \u00c3\u009cbersicht \u00c3\u00bcber verwendbare Desktops unter Ubuntu: http://i.imgur.com/3N5f6.jpg\n Danke :)\n Funktionen sind auch anderst?\n definiere \"funktionen\"\n Was es in dem System alles so gibt\n Also technisch her\n NewOnLinux: unter linux kannst du prinzipiell jedes programm unter jeder oberfl\u00c3\u00a4che laufen lassen. die unterschiede liegen rein darin, wie sich die oberfl\u00c3\u00a4che, sprich window management verh\u00c3\u00a4lt, wie sie aussieht, wo deren einstellungen sind.\n LetoThe2nd danke, aber die Sytseme haben standartm\u00c3\u00a4\u00c3\u009fig die gleichen Funktionen, unterscheiden sich also nur vom design?\n ob der maximieren button links oder rechts ist, welche schriftarten, wie man fenster anordnet, was unten (oben, links, rechts) im panel ist. das sind unterschiede.\n mehr nicht?\n NewOnLinux, und ob sie eine leistungsf\u00c3\u00a4higere Hardware erfordert oder sich mit einem weniger modernen Computer zufrieden gibt und fl\u00c3\u00bcssig l\u00c3\u00a4uft\n hmh\n NewOnLinux: nicht ganz. die auswahl der mitgelieferten programme variiert leicht (daher am besten in ner vm oder so einfach ausprobieren welche grundrichtung dir am besten gef\u00c3\u00a4llt), und dir dann das rauspicken was dir am meisten zusagt.\n NewOnLinux, bei youtube kannste dir so gut wie alle oberfl\u00c3\u00a4chen mal in live anschauen...\n danke :)\n woher wei\u00c3\u009f ich ob auf meinem Laptop alle laufen?\n und nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich auch mint, arch, *ubuntu, freebsd oder was auch immer :)\n NewOnLinux: ich hab normalerweise ne zimelich wilde mischung aus gnome, kde, lxde und sonstigen programmen. alles kein thema\n NewOnLinux: das wichtigste, wirklich das allerallerwichtigste ist unter linux: man l\u00c3\u00a4dt sachen nicht einfach irgendwo runter\n kde, gnome, unity sind etwas hardwarehungriger als zb xfce\n NewOnLinux, du k\u00c3\u00b6nntest zu Beginn auch mehrere GUIs parallel laufen lassen und dich sp\u00c3\u00a4ter entscheiden\n NewOnLinux: wenn du was installieren/ausprobieren willst: unbedingt immer \u00c3\u00bcber das paketmanagement machen. dann gehst du etwa 95% der selbst-ins-knie-geschossen-anf\u00c3\u00a4ngerprobleme schon aus dem weg.\n LetoThe2nd hat Ubuntu ein grafisches Softwarecenter?\n NewOnLinux: jepp. heisst auch genau so.\n ja... sagte ich dir aber auch schon :)\n :D\n oh.. sorry\n also das zu den Designen\n NewOnLinux: ich nehme an http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Einsteiger hast du ja schon gelesen? ;)\n Title: Einsteiger \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n NewOnLinux: und im selben atemzug, http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Grundlagen\n Title: Grundlagen \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n LetoThe2nd nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich ;)\n Also ist Ubuntu, Lubuntu,... gleich und nur das Design anderst (also Ubuntu hat Unity, Lubuntu hat LXDE),...?\n richtig\n NewOnLinux: sinngem\u00c3\u00a4ss ja. sind \u00c3\u00bcbrigens fast im wortlaut die ersten 10 zeilen des zweiten verlinkten artikels.\n danke :)\n aber da steht nirgends von Gnome2?\n NewOnLinux: auf der microsoft-webseite ist auch keine werbung f\u00c3\u00bcr windows 95 mehr... tote soll man ruhen lassen :)\n NewOnLinux: Weil Gnome2 durch Gnome3 ersetzt wurde.\n gnome2 l\u00c3\u00a4uft nicht mehr unter 12.04\n kannst nen fork nutzen...\n NewOnLinux, Gnome2 gibt es in den aktuellen Distributionen nicht mehr\n was ist Gnome3? Unity?\n der fallback modus von gnome3 sieht ann\u00c3\u00a4hernd so aus wie gnome2\n NewOnLinux: Nein\n balame\n *blame\n Was ist Gnome3?\n also welches *ubuntu\n gar keins\n du kannst gnome3 in jeder der oben genannten versionen installieren\n aber gnome2 in keiner mehr?\n http://i.imgur.com/3N5f6.jpg hattest du dir angesehen?\n NewOnLinux, nein, in keiner mehr\n ja\n beaver74\n ja? :)\n 10.04 hat gnome2... aber outdated... bzw kA wie lange der support noch geht. da weiss hier ein anderer sicherlich mehr\n NewOnLinux, ahso.. habe verstanden\n und was ist KDE?\n NewOnLinux: lies dir doch einfach mal ein paar der Artikel im Ubuntuusers-Wiki durch, da wird sehr viel erkl\u00c3\u00a4rt...\n KDI kann man selber designs erstellen?\n nachdem wie es hier steht\n NewOnLinux: Und hier ist eher \"Hilfe-bei-aktuellen-Problemen\" als \"was-w\u00c3\u00a4re-wenn\". Daf\u00c3\u00bcr bitte eher nebenan in #ubuntu-de-offtopic fragen. Danke.\n ok thx\n jokrebel, Ich mu\u00c3\u009f dich loben, das hast Du SEHR freundlich formuliert!! (Ist offtopic ich wei\u00c3\u009f[*ich schweige jetzt*])\n haha\n Hallo.\n Ich kann auf Facebook nicht den neuen Fotouploader nutzen. Fehler:\n Bitte aktualisiere deinen Flash PlayerYou need the latest version of Flash to upload multiple photos at the same time. You may install Flash now or upload your photos one by one.\n Adobe sagt dazu:\n \"HINWEIS: Adobe Flash Player 11.2 ist die letzte Version, die noch die Linux-Plattform unterst\u00c3\u00bctzt. Adobe bietet weiterhin Sicherheits-Backports zu Flash Player 11.2 f\u00c3\u00bcr Linux an.\"\n Also: Was tun?\n chrome benutzen?\n Ne, Firefox\n hatte chrome nicht flash integriert?\n subz3r0: N\u00c3\u00b6\n dachte ich h\u00c3\u00a4tte es mal irgendwo \u00c3\u00bcberflogen... http://www.chip.de/news/Google-Chrome-Testversionen-integrieren-Flash_42224205.html\n Title: Google Chrome: Testversionen integrieren Flash - News - CHIP Online (at www.chip.de)\n aber kA, nutze kein chrome =)\n Bei Chrome sieht das noch ganz anders aus...\n war nur ne idee, weil wie gesagt, hab \u00c3\u00a4hnlichen artikel auf heise oder so mal gesehen, aber nicht komplett gelesen\n *nen\n jetzt habe ich mir von Adobe eine .rpm datei (YUM) f\u00c3\u00bcr Linux heruntergeladen, wei\u00c3\u009f aber wenig damit anzufangen\n maltee_h: eine rpm ist f\u00c3\u00bcr redhat linux und deren varianten, das hat nix mit ubuntu zu tun und kann dort auch nicht genutzt werden\n maltee_h: hier werden verschiedene methoden genannt, wie du zu einer aktuellen Flash-Version unter Ubuntu kommen kannst http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Adobe_Flash\n Title: Adobe Flash \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n dank dir\n Huhu, wie erzeuge ich ein .rar-Archiv mit allen Dateien eines Verzeichnisses ohne Kompression?\n Also nur einpacken\n man rar\n Seymour: nur aus interesse: wieso nutzt du daf\u00c3\u00bcr nicht einfach tar? das ist ideal daf\u00c3\u00bcr\n Seymour: und wenn das f\u00c3\u00bcr windows-user ist: winrar kann mit .tar archiven umgehen\n Weil es nicht f\u00c3\u00bcr Linux-Nutzer bestimmt ist\n Ich kann da kein Risiko eingehen\n Ich hab kein Bock auf etwaige Diskussionen mit den Empf\u00c3\u00a4ngern, das sind keine Computerfreaks, sondern ganz normale Menschen\n Ich wei\u00c3\u009f nicht, was die da haben, aber rar haben sie\n na, wie du magst. winrar kann es jedenfalls gut. und wie ich windowsnutzer kenne, bemerken die keinen unterschied wenn sie winrar installiert haben, zumal die dateierweiterung ja standardm\u00c3\u00a4\u00c3\u009fig ausgeblendet wird\n ich frag auch nicht wegen so was, was die da haben, im Zweifel boot ich halt mein Windows nochmal schon wieder\n wenn du es wireklich mit rar machen willst, ist -m0 die option die du suchst, siehe man rar\n -\n e\n Seymour: im zweifel fragst du einfach die man-page anstatt windows zu booten\n das ist wohl auch der grund warum debian in packaging system ar archive nutzt. damit nicht jeder dran rum fummelt ^^\n http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=391\n Title: WineHQ - WinRAR (at appdb.winehq.org)\n rar und unrar fuer linux sollte zu windows kompatibel sein\n sind sie, winrar mit wine ist sinnfrei\n du hast die klickbunti gui vergessen, ppq :)\n immerhin braucht man so keine man page lesen ;)\n rar a -m0 bla.rar ~/packmich/*\n bullgard6, jumpapplet is an applet that provides a notification icon based on autojump. It allows you to open a shell or a file manager window for frequently used directories.\n bullgard6, Mich w\u00c3\u00bcrde das mit dem Filemanager interessieren wie das damit auch funktioniert. Finde keine Manuals dazu\n dreamon_: abend :>\n rretzbach, Servus!\n bullgard6, jumpapplet -> spukt errors -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1121691/\n Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at pastebin.ubuntu.com)\n dreamon_: Moment mal. (Ich war au\u00c3\u009fer Haus und bin gerade zur\u00c3\u00bcckgekehrt.)\n dreamon_: Woher hast Du die Info: \"jumpapplet is an applet that provides a notification icon based on autojump. It allows you to open a shell or a file manager window for frequently used directories.\"? \t\n bullgard6, Da bin ich zum ersten Mal darauf gesto\u00c3\u009fen... dann hab ich weitergesucht. Hoffentlich find ichs wieder.. mom\n dreamon_: Mein Filemanager ist gew\u00c3\u00b6hnlich Nautilus. Ansonsten nehme ich noch mc. Wasmeinst Du mit \"das mit dem Filemanager interessieren\"?\n r\n bullgard6, Da steht ganz allgemein, das es f\u00c3\u00bcr shell und filemanager ein fenster \u00c3\u00b6ffnet der meist verwendeten Directories. W\u00c3\u00a4re doch sch\u00c3\u00b6n wenn. Leider suche ich noch vergebens nach einer Anleitung. ;)\n dreamon_: In Debian sid gibt (gab) es ein Applet \"jumpapplet\".\n bullgard6, Habe das Paket von ubuntu installiert.. das bei\u00c3\u009ft sich scheints mit dem \"j\" von vorhin, das ich h\u00c3\u00a4ndisch installiert habe\n dreamon_: Das kann ich mir denken. Ich hatte es ja auch installiert. Aber es funktionierte nicht. Ich habe es wieder deinstalliert.\n dreamon_: Lies mal das hier: http://topics-of-interest.com/man1/jumpapplet\n Title: jumpapplet - man jumpapplet - man page of jumpapplet - notification icon for autojump (at topics-of-interest.com)\n Wenn man im Paketmanager die anleitung f\u00c3\u00bcr autojump und jumpapplet liest dann findet man den TEXT\n bullgard6, ah nun hab ich ein ICON im Panel..\n Doch was ich damit machen mu\u00c3\u009f.. ist noch unklar\n dreamon_: Sch\u00c3\u00b6n! Welche GUI verwendest Du? Ich verwende GNOME Shell 3.4.\n bullgard6, Man kann es ganz einfach \u00c3\u00bcber den Paketmanager installieren. Ich verwende gnome-classic\n dreamon_: Welche GNOME-Version verwendest Du ? Welche Zahl (Revisionsnummer)?\n dreamon_: Von welchem Paketmanager redest Du? Synaptic?\n bullgard6, Sag mir wie ich nachschauen kann. Das hat mich bis dato noch nicht interessiert. Ich gehe von gnome 3.1 aus. \n bullgard6, Ja, Synaptic\n dreamon_: Du k\u00c3\u00b6nntest nachgucken in Synaptic nach der Versionsnummer von gnome-shell.\n hanna\n ups\n Welches Paket hast Du nachinstalliert?\n Gnome-Shell 3.4.1\n So wie ich auch.\n Ich hab autojump und jumpapplet installiert. Dann Terminal zu und mal beides gestartet\n dreamon_: Es kann sein, da\u00c3\u009f mir das eine Paket nicht angeboten wird, weil ich dienoch unstabilen Pakete aus dem einen Repositorium nicht auf meinen Rechner lassen will.\n dreamon_: Ich habe precise-proposed nicht freigegeben. Du hast precise-proposed freigegeben?\n bullgard6, hab ich auch nicht. Alles ist angehakt nur nicht \"Vorgeschlagene Aktualisierungen\" precise-proposed nicht.\n dreamon_: Hast Du precise-backports angehakt?\n bullgard6, ja\n Aha. Ich nicht. Daran wird es liegen.\n bullgard6, Kann sein. Seltsam. Seltsam. Nachdem installieren des autojump sollte eigentlich \"j\" und \"jumpstat\" vorhanden sein, ist aber nicht installiert.. schade.\n (Ich hatte Schwierigkeiten mit dem neuen Kernel. Deshalb habe ich precise-proposed nicht mehr freigegeben. (Und precise-backports erst recht nicht freigegeben.)\n dreamon_: Siehste! Die Ubuntu-Maintainer haben da irgendeine Kleinigkeit nicht beachtet. \n bullgard6, Ok. Du dann k\u00c3\u00a4mpf ich mal alleine Weiter. Wenn ichs am laufen habe. Geb ich dir bescheid. \n ok\n bullgard6, Oder ich hab mit der Manuellen Installation da noch was drin, was er nicht ab kann.\n Ich bei\u00c3\u009f mich einfach mal durch.\n Das kann zus\u00c3\u00a4tzlich Schwierigkeiten machen, ja.\n moin. ich bekomme keinen zugriff auf einen ordner auf meinem 2. ubuntu rechner. freigabe habe ich aktiviert, aber er akzeptiert scheinbar das passwort f\u00c3\u00bcr den zugriff nicht?\n (via netzwerk)\n das zugriffs-pw ist doch einfach das root-pw des 1. rechners, oder?\n p01nt3r: eher das normale nutzerpasswort, aber das is ja bei ubuntu dasselbe\n p01nt3r, Nutzername und Nutzerpasswort, hat hier immer funktioniert.\n eben.\n kann es sein, dass es problematisch ist, dass ich auf beiden rechnern den gleichen usernamen und das gleiche pw habe? xD\n eher nich\n p01nt3r: Im Gegenteil - bei Fernzugriff im LAN ist das normal eher hilfreich.\n p01nt3r: Ist das denn im LAN oder \u00c3\u00bcber WAN?\n p01nt3r: Und ist das ne SAMBA_Freigabe? oder SSH? oder wie?\n LAN, samba \u00c3\u00bcber die freigabe-optionen im kontextmen\u00c3\u00bc von nautilus.\n p01nt3r: sicher? ich erinnere mich, dass er manchmal bl\u00c3\u00b6dsinn gemacht hat, weil samba gar nich installiert is\n mom.\n p01nt3r: Beides Ubuntu-Rechner? Dann nimm doch besser ssh und sftp\n naja, k\u00c3\u00b6nnte auf dauer bisl langsam sein\n nfs, f\u00c3\u00bcr permanente Dinge.\n l\u00c3\u00a4sst sich wiederum nur umst\u00c3\u00a4ndlich einrichten\n samba is schon ne ordentliche wahl\n hmm\n jokrebel, wie heissen da die zu installierenden pakete?\n re @ home\n p01nt3r: IIRC nur einfach ssh-server \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 ich schau grad\n sofern sie funktioniert^^. habe es gerade mal in der anderen richtung probiert mit samba, geht auch nicht. bekomme da immer einen dbus-error\n p01nt3r: openssh-server\n dAnjou: bitte _was_?\n och nich das schonwieder\n hallo, hab zwei probleme bez\u00c3\u00bcglich xen. \n sdx23: was is denn der einfachste weg, ne nfs-freigabe hier bei mir im lan einzurichten?\n 1. klappt eine debootstrap installation nicht mit folgendem fehler in der xen-tools logdatei nicht: http://pastebin.com/CEqbL67N\n Title: xen - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)\n wenn in der erkl\u00c3\u00a4rung fstab oder root-passwort vorkommt, hast du schon verloren ;)\n AliceNine: ich hab meine geloest mit virt-manager+kvm ;p\n dAnjou: in exports eintragen, nfs restart, am Client mounten. Kein Hexenwerk.\n dAnjou: samba ist eben keine ordentliche Wahl, wenn man auch nfs haben kann.\n sdx23: bring das meiner mutter bei, und wir sind bei der ubuntu-definition von \"nicht umst\u00c3\u00a4ndlich\"\n 2. hatte ich auf meinem Debian System noch ein XP, hatte von dem LV ein image erstellt mittels dd, dieses Image auf dem neuen LV widerhergestellt und die config des hosts angepasst, aber er startet die vm nicht mit dem kommentar : domain does not exist\n danke, jokrebel!\n sysdef: der Chipsatz den ich im moment verwende hat leider kein vt-d und somit ist er nicht kvm-kompatibel\n \u00e2\u0080\u00a6schon allein weil Samba ne Windows-Implementier-Kr\u00c3\u00bccke ist!\n ppq: Gerne\n AliceNine: was fuer eine CPU?\n E2200?\n e5300 dual core\n okay, seh grad es soll kein aktuelles debootstrap f\u00c3\u00bcr ubuntu geben\n hmm, es gibt wohl E5300 die es habel lt. spec und welche die nicht :s\n nach allem was ich bisher gelesen hab ist vt-d oder wie auch immer es bei amd heisst chipsatzsache und nicht abh\u00c3\u00a4ngig von der cpu\n heute ist es ja schon schwierig ne (Desktop) CPU zu bekommen die das nicht kann\n VT-x bei intel\n es ist generell CPU sache. wenn der chipsatz direct-IO unterstuetzt ist das ein pro\n und genau das tut der G41 Chipsatz von intel nicht\n ist eine debootstrap installation von ubuntu unter ubuntu server 12.04 ums verrecken nicht m\u00c3\u00b6glich?\n bricht immer mit dem gleichen fehler ab *grr*\n AliceNine: Die da (komplett) w\u00c3\u00a4re?\n !paste > AliceNine\n AliceNine: Nicht selbst geschriebener Text wird im IRC sehr unleserlich und unhandlich. Deshalb sollten mehr als 3 Zeilen immer in einen sogenannten Nopaste-Service wie z.B. http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/ abgelegt werden. Nach dem Speichern kannst du dann die URL der Seite kopieren und sie statt des Textes hier im Channel posten.\n Hallo\n Ich versuche mal ein memory test mit ubuntu 12.04 live CD aber umsonst\n aha\n ich kriege ein /install/mt86plus: file not found fehler\n CaptainQuirk: Wie genau machst Du das? Uber das Bootmen\u00c3\u00bc einer LiveCD?\n ja\n kubine: http://pastebin.com/CEqbL67N hatte ich bereits hier angegeben\n jokrebel, aus der LiveCD\n CaptainQuirk: Die CD (und das Laufwerk) sind ok? Fehlerpr\u00c3\u00bcfung ist auch ein Auswahlpunkt im Men\u00c3\u00bc.\n Ja, richtig, ich tu es. Aber ich bin im Gange, jemanden ohne Kenntnisse am Telefon zu helfen und der hat die gleiche Fehler\n welche m\u00c3\u00b6glichkeiten bleiben mir denn noch einen virtuellen ubuntu server auf meinem xen aufzusetzen?\n das w\u00c3\u00a4re eigentlich der Hammer dass die zwei CDs besheuert sind\n direkt von Canonical gekauft\n GEKAUFT?\n wer macht den SOWAS?\n bestellt ich meine, aus dem internet bestellt\n insbesondere: is dann da nciht auch ein monat support drin oder so?\n ich erinnere mich da dunkel...\n \"Keine Ergebnisse f\u00c3\u00bcr \"alternatives.log\" site:help.ubuntu.com gefunden.\" Welche Aufgabe hat /var/log/alternatives.log?\n FRAGE: welches shell ist damit gemeint? Verwende gnome-terminal. To use autojump, you need to configure your shell to source /usr/share/autojump/autojump.sh on startup. Ist ~/.bashrc richtig?\n dreamon_: Ja.\n so warum krieg'ich so ein Fehler\n sysdef: du vielleicht noch eine idee wie ich mit m\u00c3\u00b6glichst wenig aufwand an einen virtuellen ubuntu-server 12.04 komme?\n bullgard6, Danke\n unter debian gings mit xen-create-image ... hervorragend\n ich glaub ich geb's auf -.-\n genau das gleiche mit einer anderen VM \"xm create winxp.cfg\" \"Error: Domain 'risu' does not exist.\"\n AliceNine: virtualbox.\n Einfacher gehts wirklich nicht.\n bekks: l\u00c3\u00a4uft virtualbox auch auf einem server ohne gui?\n Klar.\n was ich nicht verstehe, warum lief es unter debian und unter ubuntu will es nicht ... so unterschiedlich sind die systeme sich doch eigentlich nicht\n Aus genau diesem Grund verwende ich XEN nicht mehr :)\n bekks: in wie weit sieht es performancetechnisch bei virtualbox aus?\n verglichen mit xen\n Ich habe die Frage nicht verstanden.\n \u00c3\u0084pfel kann man nicht mit Birnen vergleichen.\n ok, anders formuliert, hab ein XP, 2 Linuxsysteme virtualisiert und das lief mit xen unter Debian anst\u00c3\u00a4ndig auf einem DualCore Pentium E5300 mit 2Gig RAM\n XP alleine l\u00c3\u00a4uft ja schon nicht anst\u00c3\u00a4ndig mit nur 2GB RAM - aber ok.\n !ot | AliceNine \n !ot > AliceNine \n AliceNine: Dies ist ein Ubuntu-Supportchannel! Fuer Offtopic- und Stammtischgespraeche bitte #ubuntu-de-offtopic nutzen. Danke! ;)\n btt: aufgabe ^^\n ich drehe durch\n AliceNine: dann machs halt mit debian. etwas aeltere pakete aber es laeuft\n sysdef: genau darum wollte ich ja zu ubuntu wechseln, aber wenn nix geht\n Hey, ich brauche Hilfe in Sachen Virtualbox und Nat. Ich habe einen guest am Laufen, der per NAT ins Internet geht. Er bekommt die IP 10.0.2.15 zugewiesen und kann auch aufs Internet zugreifen. Ich kann auch vom guest den host pingen ABER ich kann nicht vom Host den Guest pingen\n Tylopilus: was genau ist die ausgabe?\n 100% loss ?\n war da nicht was, das man in die richtung irgendwie was in virtualbox speziell freischalten muss?\n Tylopilus: ping anfragen k\u00c3\u00b6nnen ins leere gelaufen lassen werden (whoot, war das so richtig?)\n oder ins leere laufen gelassen werden?\n hi tylopilus, ich habe die einstellung auf NETZWERKBR\u00c3\u009cCKE stehen, damit funktioniert der traffic in beide richtungen\n Ich brauch aber NAT\n Tylopilus: also connection timed out?\n ja\n Tylopilus: probier mal ping -I (gro\u00c3\u009fes i) gefolgt vom namen des netzwerkinterfaces (rausfindbar mit ifconfig) und der ip des guests\n mit deinem standardinterface funktioniert das nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich nicht\n hm\n ping: unknown iface eth1\n lol\n ich meinte schon das \"virtuelle\" interface, das virtualbox angelegt hat\n von wo jetzt\n am host\n sieh dir die ausgabe von ifconfig an\n jo\n pack sie im zweifelsfall in einen pastebin\n eth0 eth1 und lo\n wobei eth1 mein device ist, das connected ist\n und hatte nen Tippfehler\n aber\n immer noch 100% time out\n rretzbach, Darf ich dir ein paar Fragen zu dem jump fragen?\n dreamon_, sicher sicher\n Hallo an alle. Darf ich hier eine Frage bzgl. cairo-dock stellen? Im chanel cairo-dock ist keiner ...\n rretzbach, Das jump ist ja unter Ubuntu in den Paketquellen. Habe einmal autojump und jumpapplet installiert. Dann habe ich nach Anleitung -> http://www.like-spinning-plates.com/2012/06/28/fast-navigation-in-terminal-with-autojump/ ->angepasst. Kann nun mit j -a pfade hinzuf\u00c3\u00bcgen und auch suchen.\n Title: Fast navigation in terminal with Autojump | Like spinning plates (at www.like-spinning-plates.com)\n rretzbach, Ist das soweit ok?\n Ja. Es ist eine Abk\u00c3\u00bcrzung zu den sonst so endlos erscheinenden Tiraden an slashes und Tab-Tastenanschl\u00c3\u00a4gen.\n Wie gesagt, wusste ich nicht worum es heute morgen ging. ^^\n rretzbach, Kein Problem. Es gibt f\u00c3\u00bcr das autojump ein applet. Wei\u00c3\u009f du wie das funktioniert?\n Hat keiner eine Idee?\n Multbrelch: sofern es unter ubuntu l\u00c3\u00a4uft, kannst du es hier versuchen\n k\n rretzbach, Ich hab das Symbol im Panel, kann da Einstellungen machen. Laut Synaptic soll man damit die Pfade auch an diverse Filemanager weitergeben k\u00c3\u00b6nnen. Aber ich wei\u00c3\u009f nicht wie das gehen soll.\n Ich moechte gerne einen Eintrag \"savely remove drive\" in cairo-dock. Ist das moeglich? \n lmgtfy\n lmgtfy?\n rretzbach, Der andere Punkt ist der. Wenn ich mit \"j text\" eingebe, dann findet er den Pfad, er wechselt aber nicht von alleine dahin. ist das absicht?\n dAnjou, ^\n dreamon_, Nein, j text sollte in das Verzeichnis mit dem h\u00c3\u00b6chsten Gewicht automatisch wechseln\n Das Applet ist mit Unity glaube ich nicht nutzbar\n rretzbach, Verwende gnome-classic. Wei\u00c3\u009ft du wie das applet verwendet wird?\n Multbrelch: let me google that for you\n Multbrelch: hab nix gefunden\n rretzbach, Bei mir wechselt er nicht -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1122098/\n Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at pastebin.ubuntu.com)\n dAnjou, okay danke ... da ist ja ein Eintrag, aber nur fuer USB sticks. Das klappt jedoch nicht fuer ext. Festplatten.\n dreamon_, Ich gehe davon aus, dass du auch morgen noch hier bist? Ich kann mich morgen mal darum k\u00c3\u00bcmmern und dir dann berichten wie es bei mir aussieht\n rretzbach, Kein Problem. Ich verwende Ubuntu 12.04 mit gnome-classic\n da liesse sich das applet dann evtl. verwenden\n rretzbach, Ich sehe es. Wei\u00c3\u009f aber nichts damit anzufangen.\n Ich kenne es nicht, h\u00c3\u00a4tte aber erwartet, dass es h\u00c3\u00a4ufige Verzeichnisse listet, so dass man mit dem file manager dort schnell hinspringen kann\n brb\n guten abend - nach meiner 12.04 installation wird mein windows nicht erkannt - bzw. eigentlich noch besser Grub wird \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt nicht angezeigt - auch nicht f\u00c3\u00bcr memtest usw - grub-install /dev/sda habe ich schon erneut ausgef\u00c3\u00bchrt, auch update-grub klappt.\n irgendjemand ne idee warum mein PC (mit SSD) nicht in den timeout reingeht - auch nicht mit esc ?\n btw. /boot ist in nem LVM\n -- hat mein login geklappt oder blockt freenode mich weil ich mein pswd vergessen habe ?\n hallo, ich habe einen ordner mit vier Unterordnern. gibt es einen Befehl, der mir alle Dateien dieser Ordner nach Erstellungsdatum anzeigt , unabh\u00c3\u00a4ngig davon, in welchem Ordner sich die Datei befindet. ???\n !ot\n Loetmichel: Dies ist ein Ubuntu-Supportchannel! Fuer Offtopic- und Stammtischgespraeche bitte #ubuntu-de-offtopic nutzen. Danke! ;)\n danke, kubine ;)\n habt ihr alle grub angezeigt nach der installation ?\n benste, nur wenn man die richtige platte w\u00c3\u00a4hlt oder die w\u00c3\u00a4hlt wo grub installiert wurde\n also beim booten\n Und wenn man grub so konfiguriert, dass es auch angezeigt wird.\n r3d3: ich habe nur eine platte\n bekks: - welche conifg zeile deaktiviert es by default\n in /boot/grub/grub.cfg oder ?\n Nein.\n Lies mal die ersten Zeilen von /boot/grub/grub.cfg ;)\n \"Do net edit...\"\n !grub2 > benste \n benste: Informationen zu GRUB_2 finden sich im Wiki unter http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/GRUB_2\n ja da war ich eben\n aber ok\n ich les mal die ersten zeilen\n die \u00c3\u00bcberlese ich immer aus prinzip von wegen GPL author usw.\n wie sicher ich denn am schnelsten meinen home ordner? viele dokumente, mp3s, wenige gro\u00c3\u009fe dateien\n hasdf: regelm\u00c3\u00a4\u00c3\u009fig ? - grafisch ? - nutz doch das backup tool\n benste: In den ersten Zeilen von /boot/grub/grub.cfg steht nichts von irgendwelchen Autoren.\n hasdf: rsync\n einmalig, h\u00c3\u00a4tte gern ein archiv/image\n rsync\n wie bekks sagte\n hasdf: tar :)\n tar \u00c3\u00a4hnlich schnell wie rsync? dann nehm ich tar\n bekks: meinst du GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true in /etc/default/grub ?\n hasdf: tar ist nicht mit rsync vergleichbar.\n benste: Ja.\n danke - dachte mit esc k\u00c3\u00b6nnte man das umgehen - lag wohl falsch\n dann bis sp\u00c3\u00a4ter\n hallo, ich habe einen Ordner mit vier Unterordnern. gibt es einen Befehl, der mir alle Dateien dieser Ordner nach Erstellungsdatum anzeigt , unabh\u00c3\u00a4ngig davon, in welchem Ordner sich die Datei befindet. ???\n kirsten_: das kannst du mit find machen, das hat soweit ich wei\u00c3\u009f sogar selbst eine funktion um die ergebnisse nach timestamp zu sortieren\n bzw. falls ich mich irre, find + sort\n ja genau soetwas suche ich\n also gehe ich in den \u00c3\u009cberordner und tippe dann find + sort?\n ne, du musst da schon was schlaues mit basteln\n basteln?\n hat auch sicher schon jemand anders gemacht, mal googeln sonst\n ja aber wonach soll ich genau googeln\n dazu w\u00c3\u00a4re es ganz gut zu wissen, wozu genau du das brauchst\n willst du die dateien, die zuletzt erstellt wurden?\n ja, genau die letzen 40 Dateien\n damit suchst du beispielsweise im aktuellen verzeichnis und unterverzeichnissen nach ge\u00c3\u00a4nderten dateien der letzten 5 tage (die 5 einfach ersetzen bei bedarf): find . -mtime -5 -type f\n das Problem ist halt, dass sie auf bestimmt 15 Unterordnern in meinem Hauptordner verteilt sind\n und so nur die 40 aktuellsten: find . -mtime -5 -type f | head -n 40\n komisch mit find . -mtime -5 -type f spuckt er mir nur vier Dateien aus :-(\n dann wurden in den letzten 5 tagen wohl nur 4 dateien in diesem verzeichnis und unterverzeichnissen ge\u00c3\u00a4ndert\n ppq: Falsch.\n nein, wenn ich auf 50 gehe sind es auch nur vier\n bekks: kl\u00c3\u00a4r uns auf :)\n und das m\u00c3\u00bcssten sehr viel mehr sein\n das head -n 40 zeigt die ersten 40 Treffer der gesamten Ergebnisse, die wiederum von der inode-Reihenfolge abh\u00c3\u00a4ngt.\n Und bitte einmal man find lesen, und sehen, was -mtime n macht.\n Es sucht nach Dateien, die eine mtime \u00c3\u00a4lter als n*24 haben.\n und -5*24 ist ... komisch :)\n ist ok, wenn ich jetzt nur noch Bahnhof verstehe, ja?\n kirsten_: Was m\u00c3\u00b6chtest du denn genau suchen? Dateien j\u00c3\u00bcnger als 5 Tage?\n alle Dateien j\u00c3\u00bcnger als sagen wir mal 100 Tage\n ppq: Ich nehme alles zur\u00c3\u00bcck und behaupte das Gegenteil. Unter GNU find ist das Vorzeichen relevant.\n danke, ich habe es hinbekommen!\n seit meinem letzten software update, geht mein sound nicht mehr :( alte Kernelversionen hab ich schon getestet... was kann ich noch probieren?\n okay kann mir einer von euch vielleicht erkl\u00c3\u00a4ren, wie ich eine funktionierendes Portforwarding per iptables hinbekomme ? \n ich nicht, aber dieser artikel dazu ist gut http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/router\n Title: Router \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n hm\n der Artikel hilft mir leider auch nicht\n ubuntu findet mein display nicht mehr :(\n Das kommt bei startx: http://pastebin.com/DBgCir2p\n Title: $ startx xauth: timeout in locking authority file /home/ /.Xauthority xau - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)\n k\n#ubuntu-de 2012-08-01\n guten morgen\n folgendes problem: ein rechner verliert pl\u00c3\u00b6tzlich den GRUB timeout, das hei\u00c3\u009ft nach einem neustart bleibt der rechner bei GRUB stehen und wartet auf eingabe, obwohl der timeout gesetzt ist\n edit von /etc/default/grub.cfg und update-grub bringen kurzfristig was, aber irgenwann fliegt der timeout wieder raus\n idee?\n #ubuntu-bugs\n okay, schreib ich grad mal rein - danke!\n noxs: ich glaube nicht, dass er dich damit meinte :D\n Moin\n Br\u00c3\u00a4uchte dringend hilfe\n Ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte gern selbst einen Kernel kompilieren. Und lade den Kernel mit folgenden Befehl sudo apt-get build-dep --no-install-recommends linux-image-$(uname -r)\n Bei mir m\u00c3\u00b6chte apt-get aber jedes mal noch folgende Packete mit herunterladen und installieren\n Die folgenden NEUEN Pakete werden installiert:\n docbook-utils jadetex luatex texlive-base texlive-binaries texlive-common\n texlive-doc-base texlive-fonts-recommended texlive-latex-base\n texlive-latex-recommended tipa\n Das kommt sicherlich davon, dass ich ne zeitlang Probleme mit Texlive 2009 und Texlive 2011 hatte\n fachher: dann hast du wohl irgendwelche dependencies am hals\n Wie kann ich apt-get verklickern, dass er diese dependencies wegschmeissen soll\n fachher: einfach mal texlive-common deinstallieren\n fachher: und schauen was er vorschl\u00c3\u00a4gt\n Paket texlive-common ist nicht installiert, wird also auch nicht entfernt.\n Es ist nichts mehr von texlive 2009 installiert\n texlive 2011 wurde nicht \u00c3\u00bcber Packetmanager installiert\n fachher: urgs. :)\n Irgendwo muss ja Apt-get speichern, was er noch installieren muss\n Wo macht er dies\n fachher: von manuell in den dateien rumfuchteln w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich dir _ganz_ stark abraten. ich vermute eher dass du irgendn paket installiert hast das die dependencies hat.\n okay werde noch mal alles untersuchen#\n Danke trotzdem\n Muss jetzt zur Arbeit\n +deem: ausschlie\u00c3\u009fen kann man es aber nicht! :)\n oder kannst du es ausschlie\u00c3\u009fen, dass es sich hierbei nicht um einen bug handelt? \n denn strange ist die sache ja schon!\n Hallo, eine Frage: Wie hole ich mir diesen Fix rein: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/921236\n Title: Bug #921236 \u00e2\u0080\u009c[12.04 Xorg, xserver 1.11.3] Dual monitor, after en...\u00e2\u0080\u009d : Bugs : \u00e2\u0080\u009cxorg-server\u00e2\u0080\u009d package : Ubuntu (at bugs.launchpad.net)\n Dort redet man von den Proposed Quellen, habe diese mal hinzugef\u00c3\u00bcgt bekomme aber kein Update f\u00c3\u00bcr Xorg angeboten...\n denniswisnia: Hast Du denn auch neu geladen? (apt-get update)\n na klar\n Steht doch im Bugreport drin: Die neuste Version in -proposed hat den Patch nicht\n denniswisnia: wenn ich das richtig sehe muss da ein neues Paket f\u00c3\u00bcr -proposed erstellt werden, da sich ein Security-Update dazwischen geschoben hat (Kommentar #79)\n dadrc, geser: Ach verdammt. Wieso nur?\n Ob ich in Precise noch mit dem Update rechnen kann?\n denniswisnia: Precise ist ja ne taufrische LTS. Denke da stehen die Chancen gar nicht so schlecht.\n jokrebel, man wei\u00c3\u009f ja nie!\n denniswisnia: Auch wahr. Was h\u00c3\u00a4ttest Du erwartet? Ein: \"frag die Maintainer\" vielleicht\u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n denniswisnia: du kannst mal in #ubuntu-x (englisch) wegen dem Bug nachfragen, wann ein aktualisiertes Paket zum Testen zur Verf\u00c3\u00bcgung steht. Vielleicht ist es \u00c3\u00bcbersehen/vergessen worden, dass ein neues Paket ben\u00c3\u00b6tigt wird.\n was isn der unterschied zwischen dem traceroute im paket traceroute und dem in inetutils-traceroute?\n ok, keiner. letzteres scheint nur n metapaket zu sein\n dAnjou: also laut packages.ubuntu.com hat inetutils-traceroute Dateien und ein Programm\n ja, is kein metapaket\n stellt aber das andere zur verf\u00c3\u00bcgung\n is was anderes, ich wei\u00c3\u009f\n was der Unterschied ist: muss ich passen. Das einen ist bei SourceForge gehostet, das andere auf gnu.org.\n geser: ich hab beide installiert, hat nich gemeckert\n hallo freunde, ist es erlaubt hier ueber ubuuntu fragen zu stellen?\n ja\n !frag > lord_fuyi\n lord_fuyi: Frag nicht, ob du fragen darfst oder ob sich jemand auskennt. Stell einfach deine Frage \u00e2\u0080\u0093 wenn jemand die Antwort kennt, wird er sie dir nennen.\n danke, icht wurde oft beim anderen servers gebannt und rasgeschmissen als ich um hilfe fragte obwohn im channel tpic stand es war ein hilfe channel\n vieleicht kann mir jemand behilflich sein weil es ist schon mein ubuntu start und ich moechte fuer meine firma meine windows servers die wir einen als domnain controller, andere als file server und ein anderer als forefont tmg benutzt wird zu linux wechseln aber wollte jemanden fragen der sich gut auskennt ob es sich lohnt von windows server zu unbutu wechseln..die windws servers wenn sie probleme haben dann ziehen die alles mit in die hoelle und ich \n habe genug von microsoft servers..\n lord_fuyi: Wenn Du Dir unsicher bist, kannst Du ja gerne vorher die Regeln, welche im Topic verlinkt sind, durchlesen ;-)\n lord_fuyi: seien wir direkt zu anfang ehrlich, wenn du dich noch gar nicht mit \"linux\" auskennst, wird es eine sehr lange durststrecke bis du \"alles\" aus der microsoft-welt ersetzt hat\n mm danke fuer die ehrlichkeit , aber ich denke unbutu sieht relativ okay aus als es frueher war... ich glaube wenn ich nur mit file server starte kann es ja ein guter und nicht schwerer anfang sein\n lord_fuyi: sollte auch kein anstoss in richtung \"mach das nicht\" sein, aber viele haben die erwartungshaltung \"das geht alles sofort ohne probleme\", weil man von erfahrenen Linux-Usern solche Aussagen ja gerne mal h\u00c3\u00b6rt ;-)\n lord_fuyi: Stell doch einfach Deine Support-Frage. Zum Plaudern w\u00c3\u00a4rst Du in #ubuntu-de-offtopic besser aufgehoben.\n klar ich verstehe danke vielmals das ihr so ehrlich bist \n jokrebel die frage wurde gestellt!\n dann schreib doch Deine Gehaltsvorstellungen dazu?\n ich werde schon sehr gut bezahlt darueber wuerde ich mir keine sorgen machen :)\n lord_fuyi: was jokrebel eigentlich meinte ist, wir sehen hier lieber konkrete Fragen zu einem konkreten Problem, Erfahrungsaustausch findet eher in #ubuntu-de-offtopic statt\n -.- - ich meine wenn Du meinst \"kann mir jemand helfen\" - und es geht um die Umr\u00c3\u00bcstung einer ganzen Firma wird man wohl kaum via chat sagen k\u00c3\u00b6nnen \"ob sich das lohnt\"\n lord_fuyi: Hier kannst Du Hilfe zur Selbsthilfe bei konkreten/tats\u00c3\u00a4chlichen Problemen mit Ubuntu erhalten. Wenn Du nur Tipps oder Ratschl\u00c3\u00a4ge f\u00c3\u00bcr das Vorgehen zu einen Umstieg hast bist Du hier tats\u00c3\u00a4chlich eher (noch) nicht richtig.\n natuerlich kann ich mir eine consulting firma bezahlen und die machen alles fuer mich. aber ich wollte selber mal nachfragen ..\n koegs jokrebel okay danke freunde\n nicht das ich so jemand w\u00c3\u00a4re - aber es gibt auch einfach leute die viel ahnung haben, manchmal auch studenten\n die holst Du Dir f\u00c3\u00bcr einen tag rein, und dann kann Dir derjenige sagen was er denkt - das kann viel wert sein\n daniel31415: meine zuletzt an lord_fuyi gerichtete aussage gilt genauso f\u00c3\u00bcr dich\n Hallo kann mir jemand helfen?\n !frag > Turing_ \n Turing_: Frag nicht, ob du fragen darfst oder ob sich jemand auskennt. Stell einfach deine Frage \u00e2\u0080\u0093 wenn jemand die Antwort kennt, wird er sie dir nennen.\n servus, habe meinen monitor mit dispcalGUI kalibriert, jetzt wirkt es so als h\u00c3\u00a4tte alles einen leuchten braun stich, vielleicht bilde ich mir das nur ein, wie sieht bei euch das panel aus, eher ein schwarzer verlauf, oder ein leicht br\u00c3\u00a4unlicher verlauf? also die Titelleiste in Ubuntu und der Kopf von den Programmen \n ich kann bei meinem laptop die tastaturbeleuchtung stufenweise regulieren. Die notification zeigt allerdings immer volle beleuchtung an. Woran liegt das? Kann mir jemand helfen einen Bugreport zu schreiben?\n Turing_, sowas liegt meistens an ACPI, das eignet sich auch gut als Google-Stichwort. H\u00c3\u00a4ufig lassen sich solche Probleme durch einen passenden Bootparameter fixen.\n Such mal nach dem Laptop-Typ, Ubuntu und acpi, vielleicht kommt ja was gutes dabei raus\n hab zwei errors in dmesg wie diese: [ 0.558900] ACPI Error: Invalid/unsupported resource descriptor: Type 0x00 (20120320/utresrc-65 0) \n habe auch eine tasterturbeleuchtung diese kann ich gar nicht steuern sie geht mal an mal aus wie sie gerade will, womit kannst du sie den steuern? eine fn taste ? oder ein programm?\n fn taste\n welche marke und modell?\n dell precision m4600\n weiters kann ich bzgl. acpi diesen fehler finden: [ 0.608743] pci0000:00: ACPI _OSC request failed (AE_ERROR), returned control mask: 0x1d \n hammer mit ips display hast bestimmt hammer farbraum ich habe ein vaio mit tn panel aber habe 100% sRGB h\u00c3\u00a4ttet gerne 100% adobeRGB \n und g\u00c3\u00bcnstiger als meiner \n wie kann ich den zugeh\u00c3\u00b6rigen acpi kernelparameter finden\u00e1\u00ba\u009e\n ?\n ja ich hab einen sch\u00c3\u00b6nen farbraum\n und auch sonst funktioniert alles super mit der neusten bios version (vorher gabs einen haufen probleme bzgl. reboot )\n fingerprint geht nicht wegen fehlenden treibers aber wer braucht sowas schon\n :Jean-Pierre hast du eine idee bzgl acpi?\n ne aber hatte mal im forum gefragt wie man die beleuchtung steuern kann aber keine hilfreiche antwort bekommen, w\u00c3\u00bcrde dir auch emfehlen im forum zu fragen aber erwarte nicht zu viel, wenigige habe ein notebook mit tastertur beleuchtung :-) meistens nur die luxus user die notebook \u00c3\u00bc\u00c3\u00bcber 1000 euro kaufen hihi :) \n schon passiert: http://www.ubuntu-forum.de/artikel/59687/tastaturbeleuchtung-helligkeitslevel-nicht-erkannt.html\n Title: [offen] Tastaturbeleuchtung Helligkeitslevel nicht erkannt - Eingabeger\u00c3\u00a4te - Ubuntu-Forum & Kubuntu-Forum | www.Ubuntu-Forum.de (at www.ubuntu-forum.de)\n aber eben erfolglos wie ich erwartet habe \n in google hab ich \u00c3\u00bcbrigens nichts zu dem gefunden\n ah kenne das forum aber scheint das da weniger los ist als in ubuntuusers vielleicht versuchst du es da noch einmal? warum bist du nicht da? ich werde auch zu deinen forum wechseln auf ubuntuusers herscht ein grauenhaftes klima :-(\n keine ahnung warum ich mich da eingeloggt habe, einfach so aus gef\u00c3\u00bchl\n normal poste ich nur auf englisch\n wo k\u00c3\u00b6nnte ich einen experten finden der sich mit solchen sachen auskennt?\n wo ist den genau das problem du kannst doch die helligkeit einstellen was willst du noch mehr erreichen? sry das ich noch mal frag \n ich will eine korrekte notification\n :-)\n cu, ich muss kurz herunterfahren und etwas testen\n Hi, ich will in LibreOffice in einer Tabelle eine einfache Berechnung durchf\u00c3\u00bchren und kriege immer \"fehlerhafter ausdruck\" \n welche berechnung?\n Ich gebe ein \"=*1,28/50\", dann kommt die Fehlermeldung, und wenn ich dann in die Zelle gehe und mit F2 wieder in diesen Formel-Editier-Modus schalte, steht da statt \n Seymour: Calc?\n Writer\n Ich glaube, es h\u00c3\u00a4ngt damit zusammen, dass das Dokument urspr\u00c3\u00bcnglich mal ein Word-doc war.\n Hab zwar die Tabelle neu eingef\u00c3\u00bcgt, aber damit kommt Writer nun mal nur eingeschr\u00c3\u00a4nkt klar.\n hey, ich such nen mini-mailserver nur f\u00c3\u00bcr smarthost-zeug. bin ich da bei nullmailer an ner guten adresse oder gibts noch nennenswerte andere?\n ssmtp sieht noch ganz gut aus\n dAnjou: sag bescheid, wenn du nullmailer erfolgreich am laufen hast, aus frust bin ich wieder zur\u00c3\u00bcck zu postfix, weil ich nullmailer nicht sauber ans laufen gekriegt habe :D\n koegs: ich nehm jetz ssmtp :P \n http://linuxundich.de/de/software/system-mails-ohne-einen-mail-server-mit-ssmtp-verschicken/\n Title: System-Mails ohne einen Mail-Server mit ssmtp verschicken | Linux und Ich (at linuxundich.de)\n hm, sieht auch gut aus\n k\u00c3\u00b6nnte ich dann beizeiten auch wieder probieren meine postfix-config dadurch zu ersetzen\n hallo!\n kennst sich hier jemand gut mit acpi aus?\n !frag > Turing_ \n Turing_: Frag nicht, ob du fragen darfst oder ob sich jemand auskennt. Stell einfach deine Frage \u00e2\u0080\u0093 wenn jemand die Antwort kennt, wird er sie dir nennen.\n ich kann bei meiner tastatur die tastaturbeleuchtung in stufen steuern (funktioniert auch)\n Die Notification zeigt aber immer volle beleuchtung an\n d.h. es wird nicht erkannt wie hell die tastatur momentan ist.\n wie kann ich das konfigurieren?\n kennt aus ?\n fast 3 minuten geduld\n das is schon viel\n dAnjou: fast die gleiche Frage hat er ja auch erst vor ner Stunde gestellt :)\n Beim Start erhalte ich eine Meldung: 'Entschuldigung, Ubunti 12.04 hat einen internen Fehler festgestellt. Wenn ich nun einen 'Fehlerbericht sened', wohin geht der dann ?\n sende\n Fehler ist in: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/colord/colord\n apricot1: Der geht wohl zu den Entwicklern.\n http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Apport\n Title: Apport \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n da steht evtl. wie genau das arbeitet und wo die Daten hingehen\n Wie kann ich \u00c3\u00bcberpr\u00c3\u00bcfen, ob eine SSH-Verbindung zu einem entfernten Hostrechner im selben LAN existiert oder nicht?\n bullgard6: Den Traffic auch Port 22 pr\u00c3\u00bcfen vielleicht, wenn das denn auf dem Standardport l\u00c3\u00a4uft?\n jokrebel: Das versuche ich mal.\n Offene Verbindunden auflisten mit lsof -i\n guten Abend\n ich nutze 10.04 lts , hab noch neben Ubuntu eine Windows Partition. Sobald ein Kernel Update erfolgt zeigt mir der Boot Screen saemtliche Kernelversionen mit an. Die loesch ich dann haendisch in der grub.cfg . Gibt es eine bessere Alternative?\n Der_Held: die alten kernelversionen deinstallieren\n hm.. koennte dann die 2 Vorletzten noch bestehen lassen falls die neue Kernelversion nicht geht.\n Dann werde ich das mal so machen . Danke\n hallo\n wo bekommen die notifications ihre information her?\n Turing__: programme, die das unterst\u00c3\u00bctzen, nutzen libnotify daf\u00c3\u00bcr\n ich meine informationen bzgl. hardware z.b. beleuchtunsst\u00c3\u00a4rken\n achso, die info kommt aus /sys oder /proc, irgendwo in der acpi abteilung gibt's da den status der hintergrundbeleuchtung\n auch bei der tastaturbeleuchtung?\n gut m\u00c3\u00b6glich, ja\n den status der bildschirmbeleuchtung habe ich in einem file gefunden, aber nicht den der tastatur\n wo soll ich da suchen, bzw, wonach?\n das kann ich dir leider auch nicht sagen\n das ist ger\u00c3\u00a4teabh\u00c3\u00a4ngig\n welcher teil des kernels ist f\u00c3\u00bcr tastaturbeleuchtung verantwortlich?\n * jokrebel hat nirgends ein Ubuntu-Ger\u00c3\u00a4t welches eine tastatur beleuchten k\u00c3\u00b6nnte. Von was genau f\u00c3\u00bcr Version und Hardware redest Du?\n Turing__: acpi\n Turing__: in /sys k\u00c3\u00b6nntest du mal nach \"kbd\" ausschau halten, das ist unter notebookherstellern eine g\u00c3\u00a4ngige abk\u00c3\u00bcrzung f\u00c3\u00bcr keyboard\n bei mir ist in /sys/class/leds/ folgendes enthalten: mmc0:: -> ../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.7/0000:0b:00.1/leds/mmc0:: und phy0-led -> ../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:03:00.0/leds/phy0-led \n nein, das ist was anderes\n welches notebook hast du denn genau?\n jokrebel ubuntu 12.04 und 12.10 : dell precision m4600\n die such nach kbd spuckt vieles aus\n pack die ergebnisse mal in einen pastebin\n http://pastebin.com/J9cG1rJZ\n Title: Search - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)\n hat hier jemand erfahrung mit lto-2 laufwerken und mt bzw. mt-st?\n im idealfall HP Ultrium 448\n aber die notification erkennt zumindest dass die beleuchtungsstufe ver\u00c3\u00a4ndert wird, nur kann sie nicht feststellen wie sie ver\u00c3\u00a4ndert wird\n sie zeigt immer volle beleuchtung an \n d.h. irgend ein parameter wird falsch \u00c3\u00bcbergeben\n Turing__: von dir? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/1031813\n Title: Bug #1031813 \u00e2\u0080\u009ckeyboard light notification always shows maximal l...\u00e2\u0080\u009d : Bugs : \u00e2\u0080\u009cnotify-osd\u00e2\u0080\u009d package : Ubuntu (at bugs.launchpad.net)\n ja\n wurde mir hier empfohlen\n und zu den ergebnissen: es ist eh nur /sys interessant, also nichts brauchbares dabei\n glaub aber nicht, dass es wirklich etwas mit notify-osd zu tun hat, geschweige denn, dass es sich jemand ansieht\n Turing__: Du meinst, Dein Fehlerbericht in Launchpad wird nicht gelesen?\n gelesen schon, aber wahrscheinlich wird nichts gemacht\n wenn ich mir andere bug reports ansehe bei notify-osd die als new gelten, sehe ich, dass sie 2009 verfasst wurden und nicht einmal ein kommentar gegeben wurde\n Turing__: Geduld ist nicth Deine st\u00c3\u00a4rke, oder?\n Turing__: Ja, manchmal mu\u00c3\u009f man einen langen Atem haben.\n 3 jahre geduld habe ich nicht\n Turing__: sudo apt-get install tree pastebinit und dann ein tree /sys | pastebinit bitte\n ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde mich ja gern selbst schlau machen, da ich dadurch ein wenig von meiner hardware verstehen lerne \n @+ppq moment\n Turing__: Zwischen \"vor 2 Stunden gemeldet\" und \"3 jahre geduld habe ich nicht\" liegen aber _Welten_ \u00e2\u0080\u00a6und die Diskussion dadr\u00c3\u00bcber geh\u00c3\u00b6rt eher nach #ubuntu-de#offtopic.\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/1123845/\n Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)\n @+jokrebel du hast mich falsch verstanden: ich meinte wenn es mir ebenso erginge wie den genannten reports\n @+jokrebel warum offtopic? es geht um hardware\n Genau. Und das hat nichts mit Ubuntu zu tun, im Speziellen :)\n Turing__: Dein Satz von 20:13 hat nichts mit dem Problem ansich zu tun und geh\u00c3\u00b6rt deshalb nicht in den Support-Kanal. Das meinte ich damit.\n okay, mein fehler, ich bitte um verzeihung (dieser satz geh\u00c3\u00b6rt auch nicht hierher, ich wei\u00c3\u009f)\n @+ppq kannst du etwas erkennen?\n Turing__: *grins* man kann \u00c3\u00bcbrigens hier und dr\u00c3\u00bcben ( #ubuntu-de-offtopic ) auch gleichzeitg sein.\n Turing__: nein, finde nichts das irgendwie nach tastaturbeleuchtung klingt\n k\u00c3\u00b6nnte man vielleicht irgendwie \u00c3\u00bcber notify-osd die info bekommen? gibts da irgendwelche logs ?\n Was geau hat notify-osd mit der Tastaturbeleuchtung zu tun?\n es erkennt dass sie ver\u00c3\u00a4ndert wird\n Hi my laptop fails to resume from suspend when the nvidia drivers are enabled. it works like a charm with nouveau though. I found out, that it also works with the nvidia drivers when I tweak the grub options, in particular removing gfxmode $linux_gfx_mode which is part of the /etc/grub.d/10_linux file. I am on a Dell Inpiron 1520 Laptop. Anyone else having such a problem?\n !german > Lemmiwinks1 \n Lemmiwinks1: This is the german Ubuntu support channel. If you can't write in German, please use your languages channel, like #ubuntu-fr or the main channel #ubuntu instead. Thanks a lot!\n okok ich \u00c3\u00bcbersetze es nochmal\n Lemmiwinks1: ich nutze den propriet\u00c3\u00a4ren nvidia-treiber und uswsusp f\u00c3\u00bcr suspend, keine probleme hier\n Hallo allerseits - \u00c3\u00a4h - funktioniert Optirun eig. \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt noch? Ich habe gerade ein Spiel nur mit wine gestartet und hatte ~60 fps, mit Optirun dagegen nur 30\n Was ist denn optirun?\n (Nvidia/Intel-Optimus-Zeugs, Ubuntu 12.04, 64 bit, propriet\u00c3\u00a4re Treiber)\n Das ist etwas mit dem man zwischen Intel und Nvidia-Grafikkarte umschalten kann\n Du meinst Optimus?\n ja, optirun ist halt die Datei, die das macht\n danke f\u00c3\u00bcr die hilfe!\n ja, das meine ich\n ppq: ok ein paar fragen, hat dein laptop auch bluetooth, welche treiber und ubuntu version benutzt du?\n bad translated\n Xunil: Schalt mit z.B. bumblebee auf die Nvidia-Karte um, die ist performanter als die Intel-Karte\n Lemmiwinks1: ich habe einen desktop-rechner, kein notebook. kein bluetooth. ubuntu 12.04\n Lemmiwinks1: hast du es mal mit uswsusp versucht?\n ppq: ok danke, es scheint bei mir an der kombination der verschiedenen hardware komponenten zu liegen, letzte version die wo es noch einwandfrei funktionierte war ubuntu 10.04\n hav0c: Was liegt wo dran?\n Gna.\n Lemmiwinks1: Was liegt wo dran?\n bekks: optirun ist von bumblebee, btw\n Lemmiwinks1: installier testweise mal das paket uswsusp, danach wird das sofort genutzt f\u00c3\u00bcr suspend. dann testen mit 'sudo s2disk' (oder s2ram)\n ppq: ok werde ich gleich ausprobieren!\n jokrebel: netstat mit grep hat funktioniert. -- Danke!\n bullgard6: Immer gerne ;-)\n bekks: dass bei mir das aufwachen nicht funktioniert scheint an meiner hardwarekombination im laptop zu liegen, weil es durch das ausschalten von bluetooth zumindest manchmal funktioniert, mit dem nouveau treiber immer(auch mit bluetooth),ich aber die probleme in der art in launchpad nicht gefunden hab, bzw andere suspend probleme schon lange gefixed wurden\n Lemmiwinks1: Es gibt eine Alternative: pm-utils. Kennst Du die?\n Hi, ich habe gerade mit chsh(1) von einem user die login-shell ge\u00c3\u00a4ndert. Wenn ich mit dem user nun ein Terminal \u00c3\u00b6ffne, erscheint jedoch immer noch die bash. Muss ich mich neu anmelden, damit automatisch die shell aus /etc/passwd genommen wird? Oder gibt es einen shortcut? (zsh kann ich ausf\u00c3\u00bchren, will ich aber nicht jedes mal, wenn ich ein neues Fenster \u00c3\u00b6ffne)\n Welches Ubuntu hast Du denn?\n bullgard6: ja pm-utils ist bei mir installiert\n Lemmiwinks1: Und ins /var/log/pm-suspend.log hast Du schon geschaut?\n bekks, wenn du mich meinst, 12.04\n rretzbach: ja, du musst dich neu einloggen damit das greift\n bullgard6: ehrlich gesagt nein ;)\n danke f\u00c3\u00bcr den tipp\n ppq: bullgard6: mit sudo s2ram bekomme ich den gleichen suspend fehler, system h\u00c3\u00a4ngt sich auf und es wird nur eine violette leiste am oberen bildschirmrand gezzeigt\n resume fehler meine ich, sorry\n bullgard6: pm-suspend.log zeigt mir nur ein paar failed sachen in bezug auf den network-manager, sonst kann ich keine fehler entdecken\n Lemmiwinks1: Ich wei\u00c3\u009f nicht, ob esam Netzwerkmanager liegt. Du kannst ihn ja mal vor\u00c3\u00bcbergehend stillegen und dann suspend/resume auszuf\u00c3\u00bchren versuchen.\n Lemmiwinks1: Ich geh schlafen. gn8\n bullgard6: ok habe den network-manager mit sudo service network-manager stop deaktiviert gehabt, daraufhin hat der resume 2 mal geklappt, ein drittes mal nicht\n also da k\u00c3\u00b6nnte schon ein fehler sein\n<[Linuxfan]> Problem mit Apache liefert HTML aus aber keine Bilder\n [Linuxfan]: und du glaubst, so ne anfrage bringt dir hilfe?\n<[Linuxfan]> Habe apache2 installiert l\u00c3\u00a4uft alles nur wenn ich eine Hompage erstelle zeigt er keine bilder an nur leere vier k\u00c3\u00a4stchen\n [Linuxfan]: nicht viel besser\n [Linuxfan]: anfangen kannst du mit: wo liegen die dateien deiner homepage\n weiter geht's dann mit dem html code ( http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/ )\n Title: Neuer Eintrag \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Ablage \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at paste.ubuntuusers.de)\n<[Linuxfan]> http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/409972/\n Title: zeigt kein Bild an im chrome oder Firef \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Ablage \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at paste.ubuntuusers.de)\n file://\n [Linuxfan]: so geht das nich. aber da das nich ubuntu-bezogen is, f\u00c3\u00a4llt weiterer support *hier* aus.\n [Linuxfan]: ich empfehle irgendwelche literatur zu html bzw. homepages erstellen\n [Linuxfan]: http://de.selfhtml.org/\n Title: SELFHTML 8.1.2 (HTML-Dateien selbst erstellen) (at de.selfhtml.org)\n http://de.selfhtml.org/\n oh\n :P\n *^5* sonotos \n [Linuxfan]: und dazu noch http://jendryschik.de/wsdev/einfuehrung/\n Title: Buch - Artikel und Einf\u00c3\u00bchrungstexte zu Webstandards und Interaktionsdesign (at jendryschik.de)\n soll erf\u00c3\u00bcllt\n<[Linuxfan]> Apache macht das problem mit den bilder \n [Linuxfan]: nein, *du* machst es\n nein macht er nicht, dein html ist kaput richtiges siehe links ansonsten ist das auch nicht der channel daf\u00c3\u00bcr versuch #css.de oder so\n [Linuxfan]: es ist nur ein gl\u00c3\u00bccklicher umstand f\u00c3\u00bcr dich, dass browser das file:// schema interpretieren k\u00c3\u00b6nnen\n deswegen funktioniert es vielleicht, wenn du die datei einfach so im browser \u00c3\u00b6ffnest\n wie mans nimmt\n und \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt packt man keine absoluten pfade in html seiten\n #ubuntu-de-offtopic <- hint :-)\n#ubuntu-de 2012-08-02\n kennt sich jemand aus mit apache2 \n Asus X101, Xubuntu 12.04, \"xset dpms force off\" schw\u00c3\u00a4rzt den Bildschirm und schaltet die Hintergrundbeleuchtung aus, \"Bildschirmschoner -> Bildschirm schw\u00c3\u00a4rzen\" schaltet die Beleuchtung nicht aus, wie kann ich das \u00c3\u00a4ndern?\n Hat hier jemand eine Idee, warum \"gpg --ignore-time-conflict --no-options --no-default-keyring --secret-keyring /etc/apt/secring.gpg --trustdb-name /etc/apt/trustdb.gpg --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --primary-keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 15331454B72FD7EC\" in einem pbuilder chroot fehlschl\u00c3\u00a4gt?\n Im Host-System funktioniert das ohne Weiteres. Im pbuilder chroot wird mir vermeldet \"key 15331454B72FD7EC not found on keyserver\" Seltsam???\n Hallo allerseits - ich hab jetzt folgendes Problem: Mein Laptop \u00c3\u00bcberhitzt st\u00c3\u00a4ndig, weil der L\u00c3\u00bcfter viel zu langsam l\u00c3\u00a4uft (nur vor dem Grub-Laden ist er schnell, dann langsam); ich habe einen Acer 5750G und, wie in einem Forenbeitrag erw\u00c3\u00a4hnt, auf das aktuellste BIOS aktualisiert, hat aber nicht geholfen\n Gamoder: war das schon immer so, oder ist das mit der Zeit gekommen?\n ich glaub das war schon immer so, aber jetzt wo die Au\u00c3\u009fentemperatur hoch ist ist es besonders schlimm\n gut, dann kann man schonmal ausschlieszen, dass der Luefter mit Staub zusitzt\n Gamoder, ein recht manueller Versuch w\u00c3\u00a4re deinen Laptop aufzuschrauben und den L\u00c3\u00bcfter zu reinigen. Ich hatte das selbe Problem (jedoch lief mein L\u00c3\u00bcfter auch beim booten nicht schneller) und es hat geholfen\n ja, au\u00c3\u009ferdem: man h\u00c3\u00b6rt ja, dass der L\u00c3\u00bcfter beim Starten deutlich lauter ist als im Betrieb\n ja, das ist klar, w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich machen, wenn der L\u00c3\u00bcfter beim Starten nicht schneller w\u00c3\u00a4re\n ich habe auch z.B. kein /proc/acpi/fan oder so etwas\n bin kurz weg\n Ich habe von einer MySQL-Tabelle tb1 ein Backup, bestehend aus den 3 Dateien tb1.frm, tb1.MYD und tb1.MYI. Davon m\u00c3\u00b6chte ich einen Record einsehen, um einen Fehler in der aktuellen tb1 zu korrigieren. Wie kann ich das in phpMyAdmin bewerkstelligen, ohne die aktuelle Tabelle in phpMyAdmin zu schlie\u00c3\u009fen? \n s/Tabelle in/Tabelle tb1 in/\n Gamoder: lm-sensors ist installiert?\n ja\n \u00c3\u00bcbrigens \u00c3\u00a4ndert er doch die L\u00c3\u00bcftersteuerung, aber viel zu sp\u00c3\u00a4t\n sudo pwm-config liefert aber \"/usr/sbin/pwmconfig: There are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed\"\n Gamoder: Da m\u00c3\u00bcssen vielleicht ja nur die Schwellenwerte angepasst werden.\n sudo sensors-detect liefert aber nur coretemp\n keine L\u00c3\u00bcftersteuerung\n hmm - und wie mach ich das?\n hmm - allerdings wird er nie wirklich halbwegs stark\n jetzt ist die Temperatur schon bei 94\u00c2\u00b0C\n 94\u00c2\u00b0C CPU-Temperatur und immer noch keine volle Drehzahl?\n nein, noch immer keine volle Drehzahl\n Moin\n Gamoder: Wenn das nicht mittels http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/L%C3%BCftersteuerung einzustellen geht, hmm. Mit etwas Gl\u00c3\u00bcck gibt es im BIOS eine Einstellm\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit.\n Title: L\u00c3\u00bcftersteuerung \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n nein, im Bios hab ich schon geschaut, da gibt es gar nichts\n und die L\u00c3\u00bcftersteuerung auch nicht\n Ich habe eine Frage zu einer VPN PPTP Verbindung:\n Mein PC (client ist der kubuntu Netzwerkmanager) kann sich zwar via PPTP verbinden, aber es ist kein Zugriff auf eine interne IP wie z.B. 192.168.1.12 m\u00c3\u00b6glich in dem anderen NEtzwerk m\u00c3\u00b6glich. Woran kann das liegen?\n Gamoder: Die 94Grad sind CPU oder GPU-Temperatur?\n ich denke es klemmt am routing.\n jokrebel: cpu\n Mit den gleichen Einstellungen kann ich mich mit meinem Handy wunderbar via PPTP einw\u00c3\u00a4hlen und intern mit einer IP wie 192.168.1.12 verbinden!\u00c2\u00a0\n aber wenn physical_id_0 die GPU ist d\u00c3\u00bcrfte die in einem \u00c3\u00a4hnlichen bereich liegen\n Nvidia-GPU ist im Moment \u00c3\u00bcbrigens deaktiviert\n Gamoder: Also doch nicht _sicher_ die CPU-Temperatur? Was f\u00c3\u00bcr Grafikkarte ist da verbaut und welchen Treiber nutzt Du?\n sensors liefert mir: \"Physical id 0: +94.0\u00c2\u00b0C (high = +86.0\u00c2\u00b0C, crit = +100.0\u00c2\u00b0C)\\nCore 0: +90.0\u00c2\u00b0C (high = +86.0\u00c2\u00b0C, crit = +100.0\u00c2\u00b0C)\\nCore 1: +90.0\u00c2\u00b0C (high = +86.0\u00c2\u00b0C, crit = +100.0\u00c2\u00b0C)\" im Moment\n Verbaut ist Optimus, also mit Nvidia/Intel-Kombination, allerdings ist die Nvidia-Grafikkarte derzeit deaktiviert\n (Weil sie keine bessere Leistung als die Intelgrafikkarte bringt)\n frage falsch gestellt oder wisst Ihr auch nicht so recht?\n !geduld > dot8\n dot8: Bitte gedulde dich! Du wirst nie die volle Aufmerksamkeit des ganzen Channels haben. Manche sind nicht mal an ihrem Computer oder mit anderen Dingen beschaeftigt. Wenn jemand aber irgendwann deine Frage liest und eine Antwort kennt, wird er sie dir sicherlich nennen.\n jokrebel: ok, sorry\n Gamoder: Schau Dir das mal genauer an https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/892595 - k\u00c3\u00b6nnte das nicht _Dein_ Problem sein?\n Title: Bug #892595 \u00e2\u0080\u009cMax fan speed severly limited. \" : Bugs : \u00e2\u0080\u009clinux\u00e2\u0080\u009d package : Ubuntu (at bugs.launchpad.net)\n Gamoder: Noch mitbekommen?\n<_stemmi_> hi, ich hab hier ein hardware-problem: meine neue ssd ist \u00c3\u00bcber sata3 angeschlossen und im bios auf ahci mode gesetzt...beim starten listet mir das bios sie aber unter IDE auf. was kann da los sein? mainboard: gigabyte TA770-UD3 , sata3 controller: marvel 9128.\n dot8: was zeit denn deine routing tabelle des lokalen rechners bei bestehender vpn-verbindung?\n noxs: das rufe ich wie auf?\n dot8: s/zeit/zeigt\n pastebin mal 'route'\n also der befehl ist nur route\n aber die ausgabe bitte per pastebin\n terminal ---> route\n noxs: ja, moment\n dot8: bin gleich wieder da, muss kurz weg - 10min\n bitte auch noch das lokale und entfernte netzwerk nennen\n 192.168.x.x hier und 192.168.x.x dort\n noxs: jetzt will gerade das vpn nicht. denke mal ich habe es verfummelt. muss ich erst wieder richten und melde mich dann zur\u00c3\u00bcck. sorry\n oka\n der einfachheit wegen sollten die netze nicht die gleichen sein! also z.b. zentrale 192.168.1.0/24 und eine au\u00c3\u009fenstelle 192.168.2.0/24 oder was ganz anderes. der unterschied zum handy ist, dass du dich da vermutlich \u00c3\u00bcber umts oder \u00c3\u00a4hnliches verbindest und somit eben aus einem ganz anderen ip range kommst - 76.x.x.x oder so. wenn die beiden netze also gleich sein sollten, kann es da zu \n problemen im routing kommen.\n jokrebel: ja, hab ich mitbekommen, moment\n jokrebel: Ja, das k\u00c3\u00b6nnte durchaus mein Problem sein\n und ich habe auch bemerkt, dass wenn das System ca. 96\u00c2\u00b0C erreicht, die Temperatur wieder sinkt - und da der L\u00c3\u00bcfter nicht h\u00c3\u00b6rbar lauter wird d\u00c3\u00bcrfte das auch underclocken sein\n ja, definitiv underclocken - ich bin also definitiv von dem Problem betroffen\n Gamoder: Na dann h\u00c3\u00a4ng Dich da mit dran. Dann betrifft es schon _doppelt_ so viele wie momentan.\n ja, hab ich gemacht\n hi..ich versuche das programm acarsd zum laufen zu bringen. beim start spuckt es allerdings folgende fehlermeldung aus: Initializing sound device #0 '/dev/dsp'... Error opening sounddevice '/dev/dsp' Unable to initialize soundcard #0\n wie helfe ich denn beim initialsieren der soundkarte nach? \n Gamoder: Vielleicht solltest Du auch noch ein paar Zeilen \u00c3\u00bcber Dein Problem und benutzte Hard- und Software dazuschreiben.\n eXtense: /dev/dsp ist veraltet (OSS). Wenn acarsd nicht mit etwas anderem als OSS leben kann: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/PulseAudio#Programme-die-nicht-mit-PulseAudio-funktionieren\n Title: PulseAudio \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n jokrebel: auch mit apport-collect 892595 oder nur mein Acer-Modell usw?\n Fuchs, saved my day :) \"sudo padsp ./acars\" und schon l\u00c3\u00a4ufts. Danke!\n ARG\n KEIN SUDO \n meine Guete ...\n Gamoder: W\u00c3\u00bcrd da im ersten Schritt nur mal frei formulieren und halt alle wichtigen Hardwareangaben und die benutzte Ubuntuversion und so. Die kommen dann schon auf Dich zu wenn was fehlt.\n Fuchs, wenn das ganze in einem verzeichnis liegt, in dem dinge nur mit sudo rechten ausgef\u00c3\u00bchrt werden d\u00c3\u00bcrfen, nenn mir bitte eine alternative :)\n Warum liegt das in einem solchen Verzeichnis? \n Und es gibt immer eine Alternative, Programme als Root auszufuehren ist in 99% der Faelle schlicht saudaemlich, sorry\n so, ich hoffe das passt so\n das hat seine gr\u00c3\u00bcnde. aber ich werd mich nach den alternativen erkundigen. pardon wenn ich dir damit die laune vermiest habe - nochmals danke\n keine Ursache\n bitte unbedingt eine Alternative suchen\n eXtense: siehe mitunter http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/chown http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/chroot und http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/sudo\n Title: chown \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n err\n das chroot nicht, \n http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/chmod \n Title: chmod \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n das wollte ich\n Fuchs, jap habe es gerade mal mit chmod +x gel\u00c3\u00b6st..ich denke das hattest du auch vor mir mit dem link mitzuteilen oder?\n vermutlich, ich kenne die genauen Umstaende ja nicht, \n aber wenn Du eine funktionierende Loesung hast, die ohne sudo geht, bin ich gluecklich \n gut :D \n und nun machen wir uns mal davon. Einkaufen, dann Spatziergang. Viel Spass noch. \n dir auch viel spa\u00c3\u009f ;)\n Hallo!\n Gibt es eigentlich eine deutsche Uebersetzung fuer Irssi? Ich habe naemlich im /set-Befehl die Einstellung translation gefunden. Gibt es da irgendwas?\n Gamoder: Na sieht doch gut aus. Good Luck!\n danke\n Server hat automatisch den Textinstaller, oder?\n jo\n gut gut\n *gr\u00c3\u00bcbel*... ich hocke grade in der firma an einem rechner den ich mit einem ubuntu-stick teste,... rechner hat 2 soundkarten: obnboard realtek und usb noname... lustiger effekt: ich kann in der lautst\u00c3\u00a4rkeregelung beide karten \"testen2\"... und die systemkl\u00c3\u00a4nge werden auch brav umgeschaltet wenn icich in und output schalte... aber der audiorecorder gibt IMMEr auf der externen aus. interne \n macht aber nur \"wupp\" beim tastendruck wenn in der lautst\u00c3\u00a4rkeregelung auch auf \"intern\" steht... einer einen schimmer wo es da klemmen k\u00c3\u00b6nne?\n k\u00c3\u00b6nnte\n ach ja; ist ein stick mit 11.04 drauf\n hallo leute\n hab ein kleines problem. ich versuche gerade von einem usbstick zu installieren, bekomme aber \"kernel panic - not syncing: io apic + timer doesn't work!\"...\n was kann ich mache?\n irgendeine bios option? die bootoption \"noapic\" \"nolapic\" brachten nichts\n gefunden.... bios -> disable \"Xblabla2 localapic\" komisch benannt, deshalb nicht gefunden\n Moin alle zusammen\n hi\n Habe wieder Ubuntu 12.04 installiert. Ich glaube ich wei\u00c3\u009f jetzt was das Problem ist weshalb es ruckelt. Habe gelesen das die Hardware Beschleunigung wohl deaktiviert ist\n Wie kann ich diese Hardware Beschleunigung\n einschalten\n Man merkt es wenn man z.B. ein Fenster hin und her schiebt\n Dann ruckelt es\n Oder wenn man die Maus im Kreis bewegt\n ati, nvidia oder intel?\n was ruckelt? welche hardware beschleunign? welche grafikkarte? welcher treiber? welche de?\n mal unter \"zus\u00c3\u00a4tzliche treiber\" geschaut?\n Intel\n http://samsung.de/de/Privatkunden/Mobil/Notebooks/RSerie/r530nolan/NP-R530-JA09DE/detail.aspx?atab=specifications\n Title: Samsung R530-Nolan - Notebooks (at samsung.de)\n Dies ist mein Notebook\n Am meissten nervt das scrollen\n Wenn ich den scrollbalken innerhalb des Browsers hochrunter bewege.\n Dann springt die Ansicht\n fachher, beantworte mal deem seine fragen\n http://pastebin.com/JZJcUXKB\n Title: Foobar2150 - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)\n subz3ro: dort steht nichts\n Nichts zu installieren\n deem: Ich denke die Grafikkarte ruckelt\n welche hardwarebeschleundigung(firefox, flash, ....), welcher treiber, welche oberfl\u00c3\u00a4che(unity, gnome, kde, ....)\n -d\n wenn ich das richtig sehe, ist da ne gma x4500 drin. Normal kannste da im Bios mehr oder auch weniger speicher zuweisen\n subz3r0, Oberfl\u00c3\u00a4che: Gnome 3, hardwarebeschleunigung: Generell jedes Fenster\n subz3r0, richtig\n subz3r0, aber im BIOS kann ich da nichts drehen\n subz3r0, unter Ubuntu 10.04 ruckelt es nicht\n Haste mal Unity getestet? oder den fallback modus von gnome3?\n also ruckelt es da auch?\n subz3r0, Unity ist es noch schlimmer\n Bei Ubuntu 10.04? Nein da ruckelt es nicht\n subz3r0, bei Ubuntu 10.04 habe ich leider das Problem, dass sich st\u00c3\u00a4ndig die Aufl\u00c3\u00b6sung verstellt hat, nachdem ich z.B. ein Video gestartet habe\n 10.04 setzt auch nocha auf gnome2. das ist nicht so speicherhungrig\n subz3r0, Gnome 3 l\u00c3\u00a4uft auf viele Netbooks gut\n subz3r0, ich denke da wird doch mein Notebook keine Probleme mit haben\n fachher: riecht eventuell ein wenig nach nicht (mehr) kompatiblem xserver\n noxs, Ubuntu 12.04 frisch aufgesetzt\n also fehlender beschleunigung\n das hei\u00c3\u009ft ja nix\n noxs, was soll ich machen\n noxs, wie finde ich das raus\n ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde da ja googeln\n noxs, danke f\u00c3\u00bcr den Tipp. Aber ich glaube dass habe ich schon mehr als genug\n :) ok\n noxs, hier sind doch die Pros\n noxs, vielleicht sollte ich noch erw\u00c3\u00a4hnen, das ich auch Probleme mit meinen Funktionstasten gehabt habe. Habe die Treiber von VORIA installiert\n Damit gehen die Tasten\n was sagt dir glxgears?\n starte das mal in der X umgebung per terminal\n ggf. nachinstallieren\n Geh\u00c3\u00b6rt das hier zu\n sudo apt-get install mesa-utils\n hmm, die x4500 ist schon eher als problemkind bekannt, was ich kurz gegoogelt habe\n http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Grafikkarten/Intel#Paketquellen-fuer-stabile-Treiber\n Title: Intel \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Grafikkarten \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n Ich habe mal gelesen das es generell keine Probleme mit Intel GMA's gibt\n fachher: dann frag mal die GMA500 Nutzer :D\n Also glxgears l\u00c3\u00a4uft sauber\n 56 fps\n Super fl\u00c3\u00bcssig\n Heisst das das die Hardwarebeschleunigung der GraKa funzt\n bist auch nicht alleine: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11415361\n Ist es vielleicht ein anderes Problem\n Title: [ubuntu] Intel GMA45 4500 poor desktop performance - Ubuntu Forums (at ubuntuforums.org)\n Ach das sollte ich vielleicht noch erw\u00c3\u00a4hnen. \n Ich habe die selben Probleme mit Ubuntu 10.04 wenn ich dort den Kernel ab v. 3 verwende\n Der Fehler liegt wohl am Kernel\n hmm, komische sache\n wenn Ubuntu 10.04 EoL ist, bis wann kann man dann noch die Updates ziehen?\n oder sind die Update Paketquellen immer l\u00c3\u00a4nger offen wie die normalen Paketquellen?\n ben1u: 10.04 wird noch recht lange unterst\u00c3\u00bctzt, bis april 2013 (desktop) bzw. 2015 (server). im klartext: sachen mit gui kriegen nur bis april 2013 updates, alles andere noch bis 2015.\n ppq: das wei\u00c3\u009f ich doch ;)\n und irgendwann wird es hier landen: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/\n Title: Index of /ubuntu (at old-releases.ubuntu.com)\n wieso fragst du dann? :)\n ppq: schau dir meine Frage genau an ;)\n die repos sind bis 2015 normal nutzbar\n das ergibt sich doch aus meiner antwort\n meinste? Auch die GUI repos?\n gui repos? \n es gibt keine gui-repos\n hrhr\n ich beziehe mich auf dein Geschreibsel\n ppq: im klartext: sachen mit gui kriegen nur bis april 2013 updates\n ja, damit meine ich die pakete zu programmen mit gui\n keine extra repos\n dachte das sei klar\n ich hab halt anstatt \"sachen mit gui\" einfach gui geschrieben :p\n also die repos bleiben bis 2015 auf jeden Fall offen, nur keine Updates mehr. Richtig?\n richtig. bis auf eins: nicht-gui dinge aus dem main zweig kriegen weiterhin updates\n jaja, wei\u00c3\u009f ich. ^^\n das wollte ich wissen, bez\u00c3\u00bcglich gui dinge ;)\n danke!\n wenn man sich um browserupdates und so selbst k\u00c3\u00bcmmert, und sei es per ppa, kann man imho bedenkenlos 10.04 bis 2015 fr\u00c3\u00b6hlich weiternutzen\n hi, jemand eine info ob *buntu + nvidia treiber (current/current-update) von dem heute durch die Medien gegangenem Bug betroffen ist? wie k\u00c3\u00b6nnte man das testen ob man betroffen ist?\n ist es\n man kann nichts tun au\u00c3\u009fer auf's update warten\n und in der zwischenzeit nicht blind irgendwelche programme runterladen und ausf\u00c3\u00bchren ;)\n http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Schwachstelle-in-Nvidias-proprietaerem-Linux-Treiber-1658115.html\n Title: Schwachstelle in Nvidias propriet\u00c3\u00a4rem Linux-Treiber | heise online (at www.heise.de)\n den artikel meinst, gell?\n Linuxsusefan: Indem man den Hintergrund durchleuchtet. Hab noch gar nichts von nem b\u00c3\u00b6sen Bug geh\u00c3\u00b6rt\u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n aber das sollte ja sowieso selbstverst\u00c3\u00a4ndlich sein, daher ist sowieso nichts zu bef\u00c3\u00bcrchten\n ppq: tu ich eh nich\n subz3r0: jubb\n re @ home\n ppq: subz3r0: danke\n bbl\n welches ubuntu w\u00c3\u00bcrdet ihr mir empfehlen f\u00c3\u00bcr \u00c3\u00a4ltere hardware (p3-900) und ner nvidia-matrox-karte? ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte damit m\u00c3\u00b6glichst gut videos anschauen k\u00c3\u00b6nnen.\n und der tv-out sollte nutzbar sein dazu.\n lubuntu/xubuntu\n welcher von den beiden ist denn sparsamer?\n lubuntu\n klappt es da denn mit dem tv-out und evtl. dem treiber der nvidia-karte?\n http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/LXDE?redirect=no\n Title: LXDE \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n p01nt3r: hast du jetzt ne nvidia oder ne matrox-karte?\n da bin ich \u00c3\u00bcberfragt. w\u00c3\u00bcrde mal nach der hardwareconfig suchen, oder halt testen\n oha, hab ich glatt \u00c3\u00bcberlesen. danke koegs \n nvidia != matrox\n nvidia-treiber d\u00c3\u00bcrfte schwer werden, wenn die Karte aus der gleichen Generation wie der Prozessor ist\n Da m\u00c3\u00bcsste wohl nouveau her\n Im Zweifelsfall: Live-USB-Stick, testen\n !hcl > subz3r0 Und (oft) sinnlose (einfach probieren?) Diskussionen welche HW mit was wann wie gut l\u00c3\u00a4uft bitte im #ubuntu-de-offtopic.\n subz3r0 Und (oft) sinnlose (einfach probieren?) Diskussionen welche HW mit was wann wie gut l\u00c3\u00a4uft bitte im #ubuntu-de-offtopic.: HCL ist die Hardware Compatibility List. Siehe http://www.ubuntuhcl.org/ und https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/ sowie http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Hardwaredatenbank\n jokrebel: wie zuvorkommend. danke f\u00c3\u00bcr den hinweis\n koegs, es ist eine nvidia quadro 400, sry\n dadrc, das teil kann noch gar nicht \u00c3\u00bcber usb booten xD\n ich probiere einfach mal xubuntu 10.04.2 in der alternate-variante.\n p01nt3r: warum nicht die aktuelle variante?\n die 12.04er?\n ja, das ist die aktuelle LTS\n angeblich braucht die nen pentium 4\n hab aber nur nen p3\n mit 512 mb\n hab angst, dass dann die videos wegen dem wenigen ram nicht so fl\u00c3\u00bcsig laufen.\n +s.\n xubuntu/lubuntu unterst\u00c3\u00bctzen afaik noch \u00c3\u00a4ltere Prozessoren ohne PAE\n ja, au\u00c3\u009ferdem betrifft das erst ubuntu 12.10.\n 12.04 geht noch mit allen alten pentium\n also.. allen sicher auch nicht, aber mit dem P3 schon :)\n naja also wenn da auch sicher gestellt ist, dass die videos noch gut laufen, dann nehm ich das.\n p01nt3r: Es wird Dir wohl kaum jemand etwas versprechen k\u00c3\u00b6nnen. Sicher alles weg. Und probier es. Wenn es Probleme macht kannst Du gerne wieder hier nachfragen. Aber Was-w\u00c3\u00a4re-wenn-Diskussionen sind hier fehl am Platz. Danke.\n ok.\n was will man den mit 12.04 unity 3d auf so ner kiste, nimm lubuntu oder sowas xubuntu oder eine andere die daf\u00c3\u00bcr ausgelegt sind\n r3d3: wenn du nochmal genauer hinguckst, wurde er mehrfach darauf hingewiesen ;-)\n Hi, habe mir fglrx (ati treiber) installiert und kann nun nicht mehr \u00c3\u00bcber den Dialog meinen DualScreen konfigurieren: http://imgur.com/a/6m5C7\n Title: Photo Album - Imgur (at imgur.com)\n Hmm, ich habe gerade selber gegoogled und die L\u00c3\u00b6sung gefunden, dang\n gksudo amdcccle\n Man \u00c3\u00a4ndert nur noch \u00c3\u00bcber das Catalyst Control Center die Aufl\u00c3\u00b6sungen etc.\n rretzbach, Sorry war getern nicht da. Hast du in Bezug auf jumpapplet was herausbekommen.\n dreamon_: Ga!\n bullgard6, Servus\n bullgard6, autojump (j) funktioniert jetzt bei mir . rretzbach hat mir da geholfen. \n dreamon_, Ne, sry, musst du leider selbst rausfinden :)\n rretzbach, Oh schade....\n rretzbach, Aber trotzdem Danke.. ist ne Feine Sache\n Hallo! Wenn ich \u00c3\u00bcber PuTTY auf meinen Server gehe, stimmt irgendetwas mit der Encodierung nicht, manche Zeichen werden seltsam dargestellt, z.B: \u00c3\u00a2 \u00c3\u00a2\u00c3\u00a2smbd,982 -F\n LuGiX: ja, das liegt an putty. du musst da irgendwo utf-8 einstellen.\n LuGiX: Da passt vermutlich (hier oder dort?) was mit den Sprach-/Tastatureinstellungen nicht zusammen.\n Ja, jetzt passt es. ich habe schon gesucht, aber bei putty finde ich die einstellungen nie\n es lag an den character encodings\n sollten bei nem update nicht alte kernel headers gel\u00c3\u00b6scht automatisch gel\u00c3\u00b6scht werden? bzw wenn ich den kernel selbst l\u00c3\u00b6sche auch die header?\n -gel\u00c3\u00b6scht\n subz3r0: nein, das passiert nicht automatisch\n man kann das den janitor machen lassen, oder manuell\n ppq: beziehe mich hier drauf: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Kernel#Kernel-deinstallieren\n Title: Kernel \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n \"Im Gegensatz zu den Kernel-Paketen h\u00c3\u00a4ufen....\"\n hab allerdings keine kernel selbst installed...\n Was bedeutet bei aptitude der flag: \"pi\" ?\n man aptitude?\n subz3r0: hm, was da im wiki steht w\u00c3\u00a4re mir neu. afaik werden die eben nicht deinstalliert. es wird ja f\u00c3\u00bcr die header nur das metapaket aktualisiert, das h\u00c3\u00a4ngt dann vom neuen headerpaket ab. gelegentlich wird aber auch das headerpaket selbst(!) aktualisiert, da wird das vorhandene nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich durch ein neues ersetzt. eventuell ist das gemaint im wiki \n *gemeint\n ppq, darauf zielte die frage ab. weil bei mir wird auch nichts gel\u00c3\u00b6scht. also die header auf jeden fall nicht\n jo, dann ists wie ich sagte und man muss selbst l\u00c3\u00b6schen bzw. den janitor machen lassen. im wiki ist es dann wohl einfach schlecht formuliert\n dachte ich h\u00c3\u00a4tte mir hier was zerfrickelt... aber passt ja dann alles. :) \n dreamon: Bei mir funktioniert es ja auch (in Grenzen). -- Dann wei\u00c3\u009f ich ja, an wen ich mich wenden kann bei Problemen...\n Wei\u00c3\u009f jemand wie man nach einem 10.04 update auf 12.04 dort den keyring (Schl\u00c3\u00bcsselbund) los wird?\n Warum willst Du den loswerden?\n dreamon: Was meinst Du mit \"loswird\"?\n dreamon: Autologin und dann danach nach dem passwort gefragt weren?\n Den Schl\u00c3\u00bcsselbund. Bzw. Die Abfrage nach dem Passwort um den Schl\u00c3\u00bcsselbund freizugeben.\n jokrebel_, genau.\n dreamon: Ist nicht zu empfehlen! Aber gehn tut es. \n dreamon: Du kannst das DEB-Programmpaket deinstalleren. Aber warum?\n Ich will den Schl\u00c3\u00bcsselbund einfach freigeben. Auf dem PC ist nichts Sicherheitsrelevantes\n dreamon: Bei passw\u00c3\u00b6rter&Verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselung auf Login - und dort dass passwort auf \"\" (keines - leer) setzen. Dann wir das allerdings im klartext gepeichert!\n Hallo! Ich versuche, vom rsyslog-dienst direkt Mails zu verschicken, das klappt allerdings nicht wirklich, hier die logs:\n also ich benutze daf\u00c3\u00bcr sendmail\n jokrebel_, Bin auf passw\u00c3\u00b6rter und Verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselung gegangen. habe dort auf login, Rechtsklick und passwort \u00c3\u00a4ndern gegangen. er fr\u00c3\u00a4gt nach altes PW und will 2mal neues PW. Nach neustart fr\u00c3\u00a4gt er immer noch nach dem PW.. \n http://pastebin.com/s6JjbGeR\n Title: Aug 2 21:51:49 SERVER sm-mta[5531]: q72Jpmfj005531: from= (at pastebin.com)\n dreamon: Hast Du denn bei \"nues Passwort\" 2mal nichts eingegeben und dann die Frage nach \"ungef\u00c3\u00a4hr: wirklich ohne passwort im klartext speichern\" mit JA beantwortet? (Und nochmal - aus sicherheitsgr\u00c3\u00bcnden eigentlich absolut NICHT epfohlen!)\n Jemand eine Idee?\n jokrebel_, Er will immer noch das Passwort(das selbste wie zuvor obwohl ich eigentlich leer best\u00c3\u00a4tigt habe.)\n dreamon: Kann eigentlich nicht sein. Wenn Du das aktuelle (IDR sudoer PW) durch \"nichts\" ersetzt geht das. Mehrfach mit verschiedenen Ubuntus getestet.\n dreamon: Hast Du komplett neu gebootet?\n Geben sie das Passwort f\u00c3\u00bcr den Schl\u00c3\u00bcsselbund ein um zu entsperren. Ja habe komplett gebootet.. dann will er zuerst das wlan passwort .. und wenn ich dort auf abbrechen klicke fr\u00c3\u00a4gt er nach dem Schl\u00c3\u00bcsselbundpasswort\n dreamon: Das gibst Du ihm dann erstmal\n Und anschlie\u00c3\u009fend erst zu den Passw\u00c3\u00b6rtern\n jokrebel_, Komisch.. hetzt hab ich nur das WLAN Passwort eingeben.. nun fr\u00c3\u00a4gt er nicht nach dem schl\u00c3\u00bcsselbund.. h\u00c3\u00a4tte ich abbrechen gemacht, h\u00c3\u00a4tte er mich gefragt .. komisch\n Ich stelle gerade fest, das Wlan dann nach 30-50 Sekunden zusammenbricht und er mich dann wieder nach dem Wlan passwort fr\u00c3\u00a4gt. Obwohl vorhin eine Verbindung zustande kam.\n dreamon: Gar nicht komisch. Er tr\u00c3\u00a4gt das WLAN-PW im Schl\u00c3\u00bcsselbund ein. Wenn der Schl\u00c3\u00bcsselbund nicht entsperrt ist kommt er dA NICH DRAN.\n das Problem hat nichts mit dem Schl\u00c3\u00bcsselbund zu tun dreamon\n jokrebel_, Habe es nun die Funkverbindung direkt im Netzwerkverbindungen Fenster eingetragen, nun bleibt die Verbindung stehen\n In dem passw\u00c3\u00b6rter und verbindungen gibts einen punkt .. (bei rechtsklick. Sperren oder entsperren) eventull ist da was schief?\n Flash63, Auf jedenfall verbindet er nun ;)\n verwechsele nicht das Zugangskennwort f\u00c3\u00bcr WLAN mit dem Kennwort f\u00c3\u00bcr den Schl\u00c3\u00bcsselbund, was ja jetzt nicht mehr gesetzt ist dreamon\n Flash63, Nein. Hab ich nicht verwechselt.. Egal. Jetzt gehts. \n Hi, villeicht hat einer von euch eine Idee: ich br\u00c3\u00a4uchte eine App die sowas unterst\u00c3\u00bctzt wie Win7s 'Wiedergeben auf', also ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte gerne Mucke vom Laptop auf den AV Receiver streamen. Ich kann hier locker einen UPNP Server aufsetzen und davon \u00c3\u00bcber den Receiver wiedergeben, aber ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte halt halbwegs komfortabel auch Playlists mit Musik aus unterschiedlichen Ordnern wiedergeben lassen...\n Jemand eine Idee?\n xmbc?\n lol, nicht alle auf einmal ;) Wenn ihr einen Channel w\u00c3\u00bc\u00c3\u009ftet wo ich mit der Frage gut aufgehoben bin, w\u00c3\u00bcrde mir das auch schon helfen :D\n xbmc hab ich probiert, aber wiedergeben auf scheints da nicht zu geben, dass ist eher drauf ausgelegt von UPNP Servern wiederzugeben...\n vlc kann auch streamen\n da f\u00c3\u00a4ngts schon an: wie kann ich denn mit VLC auf ein bestimmtes Ger\u00c3\u00a4t streamen? Ich wei\u00c3\u009f dass ich damit nen Stream starten kann und ich mich dann mit nem anderen Ger\u00c3\u00a4t per IP und Port draufschalten kann, aber ein Ger\u00c3\u00a4t f\u00c3\u00bcr den Stream angeben?\n Keine Ahnung wie, aber Win 7 mu\u00c3\u009f das irgendwie auf die Reihe bringen -.-\n so streamst ins netz mit vlc. in dem receiver halt ip:port eingeben(sofern er es denn kann)\n du...\n jo, brauch ich aber unter Win 7 eben nicht zu machen, da mach ich nur Receiver an und w\u00c3\u00a4hle in Windows 'wiedergeben auf', und genauso m\u00c3\u00b6cht ichs unter Linux haben. Ich hab auch kein Problem damit den Traffic von Windows zu sniffen und das selbst nachzubauen, ich dachte nur so ein Feature gibts schon l\u00c3\u00a4ngst unter Linux O.o\n rincewind: einfach vlc sagen da\u00c3\u009f es nur an EINE ip streamen darf\n Loetmichel, wie denn?\n also wo?\n X)\n gugg ins manual, da gibts ne option f\u00c3\u00bcr\n muss man glaube ich als option reinschreiben, nix gui\n hm, hast du da ein Stichwort f\u00c3\u00bcr? Weil VLC Wiki hat ich eigentlich durch und da hab ich ad hoc nichts gefunden\n weiss ich auswendig nimmer\n ging aber zumindest mal\n ich habs schon gemacht\n auch an einen av Receiver?\n also per UPNP?\n google: receiver typ +vlc +upnp?\n oder hier fragen: #vlc\n auch mal hier schauen http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Musik_verwalten rincewind\n Title: Musik verwalten \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n glaubs oder nicht, wenn zu ergooglen w\u00c3\u00a4r w\u00c3\u00bcrd ich nicht fragen ;) Das Musik verwalten Dingens guck ich mir mal an, ch hab grad noch in einem anderen Channel nen Link bekommen, falls der funzt meld ich mich nochmal\n jo, feedback ist immer sch\u00c3\u00b6n\n hallo\n kann mir jemand helfen?\n n\u00c3\u00b6\n user289584, einfach fragen.\n wie soll dir jemand helfen, wenn man nicht weiss \"wobei\"?\n ich hab 2 monitore mit der gleichen aufl\u00c3\u00b6sung und einen ubuntu-pc. allerdings kommt bei dem einen immer \"out of range\", aber der andere funktioniert. was ist da kaputt?\n user289584, welche ubuntuversion, welche grafikkarte, welcher treiber. einige infos w\u00c3\u00a4ren nett\n der monitor zeigt \"out of range\" an?\n also, ich hab ubuntu 12.04 und eine intel onboard-graka (wei\u00c3\u009f nicht genau, welcher typ)\n user289584, im terminal \"lspci -nnk | grep -i VGA -A2\" eingeben. ohne die quotes \"\"\n und wo wird das \"out of range\" angezeigt? auf dem monitor der nicht will?\n bittesch\u00c3\u00b6n: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82915G/GV/910GL Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2582] (rev 04)\n \tSubsystem: IBM Device [1014:02d8]\n \tKernel driver in use: i915\n kenne mich mit den intel grakas nicht wirklich aus, bzw laufen meine out of the box. gehe aber mal davon aus, dass du wiederholrate nicht stimmt bei dir. dann kann auch das \"out of range\" bzw \"frequency out of range\" kommen\n ggf. mal versuche umzustellen. oder warten dass jemand anders hier was dazu sagt :)\n du/die\n wenn ich den funktionierenden monitor anschlie\u00c3\u009f und danach den anderen, geht's. aber wenn ich dann auf anzeigeger\u00c3\u00a4te klick, kommt \"out of range\". dann, wenn ich wieder den funktioniernden anschlie\u00c3\u009f, kommt wieder \"out of range\", bis ich wieder auf anzeigeger\u00c3\u00a4te geh.\n ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde mal behaupten: da steht schrott im eeprom des DDC\n Die Wiederholrate, sind das die 60 Hz? Wenn ja, die ist bei beiden gleich\n user289584, Bei mir es das bei einem Fujitsu Monitor auch so.. der mag auch eine bestimmte Aufl\u00c3\u00b6sung nicht. kommt auch out of range. Andere MOnitor geht ohne Probleme\n Seltsam, mein 12.04 Server f\u00c3\u00a4hrt mit `sudo halt` nicht sauber runter, `sudo shutdown -h now` geht problemlos. Irgendwelche Ideen, woran sowas liegen k\u00c3\u00b6nnte?\n Es liegt aber nicht an der Aufl\u00c3\u00b6sung...\n user289584, funktioniert der gleiche Monitor mit den gleichen Einstellungen mit Windows/an einem anderen Rechner/waswei\u00c3\u009fichwo?\n dadrc, /etc/default/halt nach HALT=halt \u00c3\u00a4ndern und noch mal versuchen\n user289584, Bei mir sah ich das bild, bis an die stelle wo er in die Gui ankam.. dann kam out of range. Kiste lief aber\n also im BIOS funktioniert er, aber mit Win hab ich nicht getestet :)\n Immerhin geht WOL schon mal, muss ich nicht st\u00c3\u00a4ndig aufstehen...\n dadrc, hatte mit 11.10 auch das prob...\n Sollten nicht eigentlich sowohl halt als auch shutdown den Parameter benutzen?\n hm, hilft nicht.\n fast, als w\u00c3\u00bcrd die Kiste in S3 gehen oder so\n sudo halt -p\n http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1981218\n Title: [ubuntu] 12.04 Hangs when I turn it off! - Ubuntu Forums (at ubuntuforums.org)\n scheint seit 11.10 nicht wirklich behoben zu sein\n sorry. \"sudo halt -P\"\n \"This might not be a bug but more of a feature in 12.04\" *g*\n Ne, -p war schon richtig\n Und mit -p geht's\n Danke :)\n Seltsam, dass die /etc/default/halt ignoriert wird, aber gut\n Wenn man's wei\u00c3\u009f, einfach zu l\u00c3\u00b6sen\n https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/991997\n Title: Bug #991997 \u00e2\u0080\u009cDefault behavior of \u00e2\u0080\u009chalt\u00e2\u0080\u009d changed to halt only ins...\u00e2\u0080\u009d : Bugs : \u00e2\u0080\u009cupstart\u00e2\u0080\u009d package : Ubuntu (at bugs.launchpad.net)\n Mal markierne\n Bleh, nach halt -p funktioniert WOL nicht, mit shutdown -h now schon. Na, wie auch immer.\n auch noch mal confirmen im launchpad.\n So... Mit Windows XP funkioniert der Monitor auch...\n#ubuntu-de 2012-08-03\n<[Linuxfan]> Ist hier jemand der sich mit apache2 aus kennt . Bilder werden nicht mit hoch geladen .weiss jemand ein rat \n [Linuxfan]: und wieder eine \u00c3\u00a4u\u00c3\u009ferst undeutliche frage. wie soll man dir damit helfen?\n [Linuxfan]: keiner wei\u00c3\u009f, was du da treibst. sollen wir raten?\n [Linuxfan]: das bleibt sch\u00c3\u00b6n hier\n ich geh n\u00c3\u00a4mlich gleich ins bett\n wenn du hilfe willst, musst du ausf\u00c3\u00bchrlicher werden\n Aja: da meine Verbindung jetzt wieder stabiler ist, darf ich hier wieder idlen, oder?\n moin\n Moin. Das erste Blatt das ich einscanne ist immer schwarz. Seltsam. Dr\u00c3\u00bccke dann nochmal \"scannen\" dann gehts ganz normal.(verwende simplescan)\n moin, kann mir jemand sagen wie ich eine WHERE und eine WHERE NOT Klausel in einem MySQL quert vereine?\n dreamon_: anderes Scannprogramm testen, insbesondere m\u00c3\u00b6glichst lowlevel (scanimage), zum Scannermodell googeln und nach Bugs suchen.\n sdx23, Was versteht man unter lowlevel, in diesem Zusammenhang? Konsole(backend)?\n dreamon_: wie da steht: scanimage. Das ist das passende CLI-Programm.\n ok habs WHERE bla AND NOT bla\n danke ;) \n sdx23, Danke. Da\u00c3\u009f das alles auch \u00c3\u00bcber die cli geht, verwundert mich immer wieder aufs neue. ;)\n dreamon_: -> Bugreport in simplescan suchen/erstellen.\n Ich pers\u00c3\u00b6nlich mag ja gscan2pdf f\u00c3\u00bcr \"per Hand zu bedienende\"-Scanner\n sdx23, Das ist noch nicht gesagt, das simplescan der schuldige ist. Immer wenn ich scanner l\u00c3\u00a4nger aus hatte. Dann scannt er komplett schwarz ein oder streifen. Kumpel von mir hatte das auch. Hat deswegen extra einen anderen Scanner gekauft\n dreamon_: ja, dann teste das, sobald er wieder \"aus\" war. Falls es dann mit scanimage auch passiert, nochmal scanimage verwenden mit m\u00c3\u00b6glichst viel Debugausgabe und dann ne Mail an die sane-Mailingliste. Die Leute dort sind immer hilfsbereit.\n sdx23, Ja. ich halte das im Auge .. und dann melden wenn ich was wei\u00c3\u009f. Danke!\n Da f\u00c3\u00a4llt mir noch was auff\u00c3\u00a4lliges ein. Wenn ich eine USB-Lupe(Kamera) am Ubuntu anstecke. Dann friert die Kiste ca. 30Sekunden ein. Dann l\u00c3\u00a4uft sie normal weiter. Kamera geht dann auch. Das ist seit 12.04 so. Fr\u00c3\u00bcher ging das anstecken und los. Wo k\u00c3\u00b6nnte ich da suchen?\n dmesg. Wenn da nicht viel steht, Modul mit verbose neu bauen.\n und wie \u00c3\u00bcblich: Vor gr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009ferem Aufwand nach Bugreports googeln.\n sdx23, Von welchem Modul sprichst du? \n dreamon_: dem Treiber f\u00c3\u00bcr das Ding.\n WARNING: Failed to start app: Unable to start application: Kindprozess \u00c2\u00bbcryptkeeper\u00c2\u00ab konnte nicht ausgef\u00c3\u00bchrt werden (Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden)\n fehler in der gnome-session. jemand nen plan wie ich feststellen kann, wo er den cryptkeeper eintrag noch hat?\n das programm hab ich \u00c3\u00bcber das softwarecenter normal deinstalliert\n http://www.heise.de/security/meldung/Schwachstelle-in-Nvidias-proprietaerem-Linux-Treiber-1658115.html funktioniert hier \n Title: Schwachstelle in Nvidias propriet\u00c3\u00a4rem Linux-Treiber | heise Security (at www.heise.de)\n ubuntu 12.04\n [*] Have root, will travel..\n war das ne feststellung oder soll das ne frage sein?\n hinweis an alle die heise nicht lesen\n achso, danke :)\n den bug gibts allerdings schon l\u00c3\u00a4nger...\n mal gespannt wie lange nvidia braucht zum fixen\n hat sich mit meinen Problem wohl auch erledigt... Cryptkeeper war noch unter Startprogramme eingetragen. Beim n\u00c3\u00a4chsten Boot sehe ich ja ob es noch nen error im log gibt\n r3d3: solche sachen dann aber doch eher in #ubuntu-de-offtopic. wenn hier jeder linuxbezogene heise link gepostet wuerde, waer der channel schnell dicht.\n womit kann ich noch mal die abh\u00c3\u00a4ngigkeiten checken? Hab bei mir nepomuk-backup drauf. geh\u00c3\u00b6rt zu kde, wollte es nun loswerden\n mit \"apt-rdepends\" geht es wohl, gab doch auch nen boardmittel was direkt dabei ist\n sudo apt-get purge nepomuk-backup && sudo apt-get --purge autoremove sollte doch reichen\n ich will es ja nicht nur l\u00c3\u00b6schen, sondern vorher checken ob nicht noch nen anderes programm die kde-pakete braucht\n hab auch noch KNetAttach, KMailService, Nepomuk-Backup und Nepomuk-Dateiindizierungssteuerung auf dem system \n subz3r0: auch diese werden von apt-get normalerweise korrekt aufgel\u00c3\u00b6st\n heisst, es wird nur runtergeschmissen was von anderen nicht gebraucht wird\n Hi, ich habe hier ein paar Rechner stehen auf denen ich ein paar befehle ausfuehren muss. Ich habe auf allen ein Zertifikat um mit SSH ohne passwort drauf zu kommen. Derzeit benutze ich ein Script wie dieses http://pastebin.com/unKXFVJe . Gibt es eine bessere art sowas zu tun?\n Title: #!/bin/bash nodes=\"192.168.2.70 192.168.2.71 192.168.2.72 192.168.2.73 192.16 - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)\n koegs, hab alles mal deinstalliert. ging ohne probs und war auch nirgends am meckern, dass paket xyz noch gebraucht wird\n subz3r0: willkommen bei apt-get :)\n alles wurde aber trotzdem nicht entfernt... gerade mal mit synaptic geschaut\n hmm\n l\u00c3\u00b6sch ich es halt mit synaptic =)\n autoreeemooooove\n ahh, nu weiss ich auch woher der (verzeihung) kde-mist kam... hatte k3b installiert\n koegs, aber habbi dOcHHHHH ;)\n autoclean & autoremove\n sind trotzdem noch altlasten drauf. wieso, warum, kA\n d0x: es gibt seperate Pakete, die dabei helfen sollen: clusterssh, dish, dsh, pssh (und vermutlich ein paar). Ich habe keine Erfahrung damit, also mal die jeweilige Homepage anschauen, vielleicht ist da was f\u00c3\u00bcr dich dabei.\n Hi, hat hier jemand Erfahrungen mit PhotoRec unter Ubuntu auf einem ProMac?\n Ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte die ProMAc Rootpartition nach gel\u00c3\u00b6schten Dateien \u00c3\u00bcberpr\u00c3\u00bcfen. Ein anders Mac-Programm st\u00c3\u00bcrzt immer nach 50% ab. Deshalb dachte ich mal eine Linux-Live-CD daf\u00c3\u00bcr zu verwenden.\n floogy: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec_DE#Dateisysteme behauptet dass es hfs+ kann, mehr ist wohl schwer zu sagen.\n Title: PhotoRec DE - CGSecurity (at www.cgsecurity.org)\n LetoThe2nd, Ja, ich weiss, allerdings muss das Rootfilesystem wohl zwingend ungemountet sein, deshalb die Idee mit dem Live-System.\n floogy: sollte an sich gehen. erwarte aber keine wunder, der hfs+ support ist f\u00c3\u00bcr gew\u00c3\u00b6hnlich gruselig bei linux applications.\n Ist PhotoRec vorinstalliert?\n floogy: nein. kannst du aus den repositories installieren. auch auf der live cd direkt.\n floogy: brauchst nur ne internetverbindung f\u00c3\u00bcr.\n floogy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery/#Photorec\n Title: DataRecovery - Community Ubuntu Documentation (at help.ubuntu.com)\n !apt > floogy\n floogy: Informationen zu APT finden sich im Wiki unter http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/APT\n !photorec > floogy\n floogy: Informationen zu Datenrettung finden sich im Wiki unter http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Datenrettung\n floogy: das so zu den basic infos. viel spa\u00c3\u009f beim lesen. :)\n Ja, ok, das hatte ich schon mal mit ddrescue gemacht. Ich kenne mich nur nicht mit ubuntu auf dem mac aus, wird wohl booten, nehme ich mal an. So, ich mache mal Pause.\n floogy: ubuntu aufm mac l\u00c3\u00a4uft ganz brauchbar, zumindest wenn der mac nicht extrem neu ist.\n floogy: nur eben mit HFS+ partitionen arbeiten ist in 90% der f\u00c3\u00a4lle n kampf\n TheInfinity, HFS+ ist das ein Mac Filesystem?\n dreamon_: ja.\n Warum versucht man mit Linux ein mac Dateisystem zu retten? ( gibts da keine Boardmittel f\u00c3\u00bcr?)\n dreamon_: gibt es, kosten aber geld wenn sie brauchbar sein sollen.\n Ok.Danke\n Ich nehme mal an ich ben\u00c3\u00b6tige die 64bit desktop cd\n TheInfinity, ich werde ein dmg image auf unser NAS schreiben und per loopback unter ubuntu mounten, vielleicht mache ich das dann aber auch im Mac Terminal mit der mac version von PhotoRec.\n Alternativ k\u00c3\u00b6nnte ich nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich das Image per gddrescue unter ubuntu aufs NAS schreiben\n Mal sehen. Vielen Dank an alle und ein sch\u00c3\u00b6nes Wochenende.\n huhu, ich hab hier ne datei, die wurde mit hjsplit in 100-MB-Brocken unterteilt\n die unterscheiden sich alle nur in der Endung, hjsplit nummeriert die halt fortlaufend (.001, .002...)\n wie kann ich die alle in einem Rutsch in der richtigen Reihenfolge mit cat zusammenf\u00c3\u00bchren?\n da muss man doch bestimmt nicht alle 17 Dateinamen hinpasten oder?\n Schau mal in die Onlinedokumentation, da ist erkl\u00c3\u00a4rt wie man die Datei wieder zusammenf\u00c3\u00bcgt. Mit Bildern ;)\n Hallo, ich habe probleme mit screenshots machen und dem flgrx treiber auf meinem desktop rechner. auf meinem laptop mit nvidia grafik klappt es ohen probleme. auf dem desktop wird immer nur das hintergrundbild aufgenommen.\n Hallo.\n sorry , someone can help me? I need to find an old friend address, there is a service in germany to discover the address starting from the phone number? it's his birthday and I don't want to ask him the address to send a postcard :)\n hi ubuntuusers.de\n Arduino_1.0 hatt ein Bug, wo kann Ich das melden?\n Ein Upstream Fehler oder durch Ubuntu (bspw. Patch) verursacht?\n Ich habe es neu installert\n Ja, denkst du es ist ein Upstream Fehler oder eher ein durch Ubuntu verursachter? Letzteres auf Launchpad melden.\n bei der 0022-version ging alles einwandfrei\n hdp: da bin Ich \u00c3\u00bcberfordert\n Pack es auf Launchpad.\n kannst mir da weiter helfen?\n link\n ?\n bin nur ein layer\n https://launchpad.net/\n Title: Launchpad (at launchpad.net)\n danke\n Evtl. gibt es den entsprechenden Report ja auch schon, schau einfach mal nach.\n hdp: muss man sich anmelden um so einen bugreport zu machen?\n lula: Ja\n ich kann die sicherheitsw\u00c3\u00b6rter bei der registration nicht lesen\n lula: Kann man soweit ich mich erinnere auch ein neues anfordern.\n Du kannst es dir auch vorlesen lassen.\n wei\u00c3\u009f vllt jemand von euch wie man supybot mit tor benutzt? vllt hat ja davon jemand erfahrung :x\n habe ubuntu 12.04 habe euf einmal ein Problem mit meiner Maus wenn ich einmal auf linken Knopf klicke dann klickt der doppelt wie kann ich das ausmachen ? unter einstellungen kann ich leider nix finden\n Orcor: Schon mal neu gestartet? Und vielleicht auch mal mit ner anderen Maus probieren um Hardware-Problem an der Maus auszuschlie\u00c3\u009fen.\n leider habe ich hier keine Maus die ich anschlie\u00c3\u009fen k\u00c3\u00b6nnte\n vielleicht Morgen wenn meine Freundin mit Laptop kommt versuche ich mit ihre maus\n gibts f\u00c3\u00bcr Linux eigentlich nen Messenger der bei MSN und ICQ Video\u00c3\u00bcbertragung unterst\u00c3\u00bctzt?\n Yoshimo, http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Instant_Messenger?highlight=messenger#Mit-grafischer-Oberflaeche\n Title: Instant Messenger \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n nabend. habe ein problem mit dem onboard-sound einer ensoniq1371 soundkarte unter 10.04(xubuntu). dr\u00c3\u00bcben hat man mich hierher verwiesen, ich habe keinen sound. die karte wird erkannt, das modul wird geladen, alsamixer sind alle channels auf max und es ist auch nichts gemutet. was k\u00c3\u00b6nnte ich da noch machen?\n unter ubuntu hat sie funktioniert.\n p01nt3r: Warum hast Du da nicht einfach nur die Desktopumgebung ge\u00c3\u00a4ndert? Welche Version war das Ubuntu?\n jokrebel, das war 10.04\n und jetzt ist es 10.04 xubutnu\n p01nt3r: 10.04 Xubuntu ist wie Ubuntu, nur dass man noch ein paar andere Sachen extra installiert...\n p01nt3r: Hm, schon komisch. Vielleicht mal mit der Ubuntu-Live nochmal gegenpr\u00c3\u00bcfen, was da anders ist? Kennst Du http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Sound_Problembehebung\n Title: Sound Problembehebung \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n ok leute hat sich erledigt. da war doch ein kanal gemutet, der hiess allerdings \"surround\" - da muss man erstmal drauf kommen ^^. danke f\u00c3\u00bcr eure bem\u00c3\u00bchungen!\n Hallo, ich probiere gerade zum ersten mal Ubuntu aus, und finde nicht raus wie ich meine \"Default Soundkarte\" \u00c3\u00a4ndern kann. Fall: interne Speaker und ein USB Headset, USB headset soll nr. 1 sein. ich finde in den system einstellungen>audio dazu keine option?\n Adarc: Die aktuelle Ubuntuversion 12.04?\n http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Sound_Problembehebung#Mehrere-Soundkarten\n Title: Sound Problembehebung \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n der trick mit der /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf, der weiter unten beschrieben ist, geht auch in 12.04, wenn du die interne karte nicht vollst\u00c3\u00a4ndig deaktivieren willst\n usb soundkarten werden noch einen tick weiter unten behandelt\n ja jokrebel \n jokrebel, anscheinend muss ichs nur anklicken, und nichts weiteres tun wie z.B \"als Standard setzen\" oder an die erste stelle ziehen (h\u00c3\u00a4tte ich so gedacht, erschien f\u00c3\u00bcr mich logisch) .. \n sr\n *sry\n Adarc: Schau Dir mal an was ppq schrieb. \n Adarc: joa, das war an dich, habe vergessen dich zu highlighten :)\n jokrebel, ppq: wie gesagt, anscheinend hat es gereicht das einfach durch ein einfaches klicken in system settings>audio auszuw\u00c3\u00a4hlen, und es ist \"standard\", schaue gerade ein flash video, und wird nur \u00c3\u00bcbers usb headset wiedergegeben, mich hat nur der fehlende button verwirrt, ums als standard zu setzen ^\n ok\n das is so einfach und logisch, es so einfach zu machen, dass niemand drauf kommt .... die mehrheit erwartet wohl ne \"priorit\u00c3\u00a4tenliste\" oder \"setze als standard\" button :D\n Guten Abend!\n Habe den Rechner neu gestartet und komme jetzt nicht mehr in meinen Account (Bin gerade im Gast-Account). Wenn ich mein Passwort korrekt eingebe kommt ein schwarzer Bildschirm und dann bin ich wieder beim Anmeldebildschirm. Was kann ich tun?\n (Wenn ich das Passwort falsch eingebe kommt die Meldung, dass ich es falsch eingegeben habe).\n grakatreiber manuell isntalliert?\n Nein.\n du k\u00c3\u00b6nntest mal in deinem home verzeichnis gucken ob was interessantes in der .xsession-errors steht\n Wie mache ich das vom Gast-Account aus?\n Habe noch einen zweiten Account auf dem Rechner, der hat aber keine Sudo-Rechte.\n Mein home ist verschluesselt, aber ich habe das Passwort da.\n am einfachsten in eine konsole wechseln (mit strg+alt+f1, mit strg+alt+f7 kommste wieder zur\u00c3\u00bcck)\n Hm, kann ich mich irgendwie im abgesicherten Modus oder so in meinem Haupt-Account einloggen?\n ok, moment...\n achso, verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselt, dann bin ich raus\n Naja, kann ich mich per Konsole in meinem Account einloggen?\n So dass ich da mal einen Blick in die .xsession-errors werfen kann?\n Wo ist die eigentlich?\n da musst du dann sicher per hand entschl\u00c3\u00bcsseln.\n wie das mit dem recovery eintrag im grub mit der verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselung l\u00c3\u00a4uft weiss ich nicht. kannst sonst mal ne live cd/stick booten und damit gucken\n Okay, werde ich morgen machen. Danke!\n Gute Nacht.\n#ubuntu-de 2012-08-04\n /usr/share/irssi/help/info: \"INFO %|[]; Shows information about the IRC server software and the current server instance.\" Was bedeutet hier das Pipe-Zeichen | ?\n bullgard4: nichts, das ist nur Formatierung. Siehe /help info\n sdx23: '/help info': \" INFO []; 08:30 Shows information about the IRC server software and the current server instance.\" Da steht nichts von '|'.\n bullgard4: Ist doch genau, was ich sagte.\n Guten morgen.\n Ist um diese Zeit \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt schon jemand da?\n RedNifre: nmorgen. Niemand ist gerade nicht da, wenn ich das richtig sehe.\n Jedenfalls ist es mal wieder so weit: Ubuntu nervt mich mit d\u00c3\u00a4mlichen Problemen. Diesmal sehe ich nach dem Log in eine Sekunde lang einen schwarzen Bildschirm, dann komme ich zum Log-In Bildschirm zur\u00c3\u00bcck. Andere Accounts funktionieren noch.\n sdx23: Ich habe nach der Bedeutung des Zeichens '|' in der Datei gefragt. Du hast mir einen Link auf eine ander Datei gegeben. In der anderen Datei ist das Zeichen \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt nicht erw\u00c3\u00a4hnt. Damit ist die Frage, die ich gestellt habe, nicht beantwortet.\n bullgard4: ...\n sdx23: War das alles?\n Jedenfalls habe ich meine Daten in der Dropbox liegen, mein Code in Git und meine BackUps in DejaDup. Gibt es eine schnelle, einfache Methode meinen Account wieder nutzbar zu machen?\n RedNifre: Klingt nach kaputter xsession. ~/.xsessionerrors in einen Nopaste bitte.\n Kenn mich nicht so mit Kommandozeilen-Browsern aus, deswegen weiss ich nicht, wie ich die Datei irgendwo hochladen soll.\n RedNifre: einfach pastebinit verwenden.\n !pastebinit > RedNifre \n RedNifre: Pastebinit ist ein Programm mit dem man Dateien pastebinit /zur/datei.txt und Ausgaben ls /etc|pastebinit direkt nopasten kann, wenn der Rechner ans Internet angebunden ist. Installieren kannst du es mit sudo apt-get install pastebinit\n Habe sie mir vorhin mal in der Kommandozeile angeschaut, es gibt sehr viele von diesen hier: exe 20722 Gdk-WARNING **:XID collision, trouble ahead\n Okay, werde mal versuchen, die Datei zu pasten.\n \\\n Ich hatte vorher schon mal die .xsession-errors umbenannt, in der hoffnung, ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde eine bekommen, die nur die errors des fehlgeschlagenen Logins enth\u00c3\u00a4lt, allerdings wird keine neue .xsession-errors angelegt, wenn ich versuche, mich einzuloggen.\n Dann das Log von gdm/lightdm. Liegt in /var/log\n ok...\n Und: Hast du mal eine andere Session ausgew\u00c3\u00a4hlt?\n Du meinst anderer Account? Ja, habe noch den Gast-Account und einen anderen Account ohne Sudo-Rechne probiert, geht problemlos.\n Hier mal lightdm.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1128399/\n Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)\n Was vor dem Problem war: Rechner lief schon ca. 2 Tage lang, ich wollte etwas aus meinem EncFS-Container kopieren, da fiel mir auf, dass der gar nicht mehr gemountet war. Kam vorher schon mal vor, da das Mounten per Script geschiet dachte ich es w\u00c3\u00a4re am einfachsten, neu zu starten. Seitdem kann ich mich nicht mehr einloggen (nur per Kommandozeile)\n Den Modus auf Ubuntu2D zu stellen hilft auch nicht.\n Das meinte ich mit Session. Gibt ja auch xterm, damit ist dann auszuschlie\u00c3\u009fen, dass es an der DE-Config liegt.\n Wenn du dich per Terminal einloggst, hast du dann alle Dateien? I.e. ist der Container gemountet?\n Im lightdmlog steht nichts hilfreiches.\n Hmpf, anscheinend ist ein EncFS-Ordner leer. :(\n Achso, moment.\n Ich hatte das Mounten per GUI in den Autostart gelegt.\n Also dieses Autostart-Men\u00c3\u00bc, dass man oben rechts in der Ubuntu-GUI hat.\n \"Startprogramme\"\n Wird das auch ausgef\u00c3\u00bchrt, wenn man per Kommandozeile rein geht?\n Das EncFS scheint jedenfalls noch zu funktionieren, ich bin gerade an meinem anderen Rechner und die Dateien sind noch da (die EncFS-Krypto-Dateien liegen in der Dropbox)\n Dann w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich - wenn ich nur an einer L\u00c3\u00b6sung interessiert bin, nicht am Problem selbst - einfach die Daten auf einen neuen Account \u00c3\u00bcbertragen und die Konfiguration verwerfen.\n K\u00c3\u00b6nnte man das Problem vielleicht auch ohne Fehlersuche l\u00c3\u00b6sen? Zum Beispiel einfach DejaDup sagen, es solle meinen Rechner auf den Zustand von vor zwei Tagen resettet oder so?\n Habe DejaDup bisher noch nicht gebraucht, kann ich einfach Ubuntu komplett neu installieren und dann meinen Account vom Backup wieder herstellen?\n (Falls nichts w\u00c3\u00a4ren keine Daten verloren, nur der ganze Einrichtungs-Aufwand)\n Du brauchst nichts neu installieren, wenn mit anderen Accounts alles funktioniert.\n H\u00c3\u00b6chstwahrscheinlich sind einfach irgendwelche Konfigurationsdateien (in deinem Home) fehlerhaft.\n Ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde gerne meinen Benutzernamen behalten, geht das?\n Ah.\n Soll ich einfach wild konfigurationsdateien l\u00c3\u00b6schen?\n Ja, dann Benutzer l\u00c3\u00b6schen, mit selbem Namen neu anlegen.\n Oder das. Aber sicher vorher, was du hast.\n Kann ich mich darauf verlassen, dass eh alles per DejaDup gesichert ist?\n (Es hat immer automatisch mein home auf eine externe Platte gesichert).\n Der fehlerhafte Account ist allerdings der einzige mit sudo-Rechten. Und ich habe Benutzerverwaltung bisher immer per GUI gemacht. Ich nehme an, ich muss einen user mit Sudo-Rechten anlegen, mit dem meinen Haupt-Account l\u00c3\u00b6schen, neu anlegen und dann den Hilfsaccount vom neuen Account aus l\u00c3\u00b6schen?\n RedNifre: ob du dich auf deine Sicherung verlassen kannst, musst du wissen. Zum Backup einrichten geh\u00c3\u00b6rt nicht nur, das Backup durchlaufen zu lassen, sondern auch zu testen, ob man zur\u00c3\u00bccksichern kann und dann alles wie beabsichtigt l\u00c3\u00a4uft.\n In meinem Home sind viele Dateien namens .goutputstream-T7XZFW, bedeutet das was?\n Sagt mir nichts.\n Wie testet man, ob zur\u00c3\u00bccksichern funktioniert?\n http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Baustelle/D%C3%A9j%C3%A0_Dup?highlight=dejadup#Daten-wieder-herstellen \n Title: D\u00c3\u00a9j\u00c3\u00a0 Dup \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Baustelle \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n Direkt nachdem man Ubuntu installiert hat mal probeweise zur\u00c3\u00bccksichern? Das Problem ist, dass ich erst den Account eingerichtet habe und sp\u00c3\u00a4ter das Backup benutzt habe.\n Sprich, wenn die R\u00c3\u00bccksicherung nicht l\u00c3\u00a4uft w\u00c3\u00a4re ja alles weg.\n Welche Config-Dateien kann ich denn l\u00c3\u00b6schen?\n RedNifre: Prim\u00c3\u00a4r die mit deiner XSession zu tun haben. Unity.\n Sehe in meinem home nichts was nach Unity aussieht, aber es gibt .Xauthority. Die weg?\n Die hat damit nichts zu tun. Googelst du \"unity konfiguration\".\n ah, ok.\n http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Unity/FAQ#Unity-zuruecksetzen\n Title: FAQ \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Unity \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n Hm, habe cat user gemacht, jetzt ist mein Charset verhunzt. Kann man da was machen?\n Ach, egal, ich tippe blind, l\u00c3\u00b6sche die user-Datei und logge mich dann aus.\n reset\n danke.\n Also user l\u00c3\u00b6schen und hoffen?\n Ich meine die Datei, nicht den ganzen Account.\n ich mach mal...\n Bringt schon mal nichts...\n Die Datei wurde auch nicht neu angelegt, als ich gerade versucht habe, mich einzuloggen.\n Der Fehler tritt also fr\u00c3\u00bcher auf. (?)\n Dann kommt er nicht so weit. Wom\u00c3\u00b6glich wird das encfs gar nicht gemountet.\n Das kann ich ja erst mal rausnehmen. Wo finde ich den Kram, den man in der GUI unter \"Startprogramme\" einstellt? Dann nehme ich EncFS da erst mal raus.\n (Ich w\u00c3\u00bcsste aber nicht, wieso EncFS die ganze Session lahmlegen sollte)\n Moment. Ist \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt dein gesamtes Home encfs?\n Nein, nur ein Teil in der Dropbox.\n Mein ganzes home ist allerdings verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselt.\n Ich komme per Kommandozeile aber problemlos rein.\n Hm. So kommen wir jedenfalls nicht weiter.\n Und dass EncFS nicht gemountet wird erkl\u00c3\u00a4re ich mir so, dass es in Unity per GUI als Startprogramm gelistet ist.\n Ja, das ist dann schon in Ordnung.\n Nun gut, also account l\u00c3\u00b6schen, neu anlegen, versuchen per DejaDup wieder so hinzukriegen, wie er war, falls das nicht geht \u00c3\u00a4rgern, alles neu einrichten und die Daten aus der Dropbox und Git holen...\n Zwei M\u00c3\u00b6glichkeiten: Weiter in Logs suchen (lightdm greeter o\u00c3\u00a4 wom\u00c3\u00b6glich) und exakten Fehler finden. Oder: Neuen User anlegen und Dateien dahinschieben.\n Wie mach ich das mit den Usern so, dass der alte heisst wie der neue?\n und dass die Berechtigungen funktionieren und es nicht an allen Enden heisst \"Diese Datei geh\u00c3\u00b6rt dir nicht\"?\n L\u00c3\u00b6schen, neu anlegen. Aber ansich brauchst du nichtmal das. Schieb erstmal nur das ganze Home-Verzeichnis woanders hin.\n Danach die Daten in das neu angelegte Home zur\u00c3\u00bcckschieben, Verzeichnis f\u00c3\u00bcr Verzeichnis.\n Ich kenn mich mit Kommandozeile nicht so aus. Bin gerade im kaputten Account eingeloggt, wo ich Sudo-Rechte habe. Will jetzt alles in einen Ordner im zweiten Account verschieben, der keine Sudo-Rechte hat. Dem Account m\u00c3\u00bcsste ich aber auch Rechte geben, damit ich \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt noch nen neuen Account anlegen kann, wenn der alte gel\u00c3\u00b6scht ist, oder?\n Ja. sudo adduser admin (so hei\u00c3\u009ft die Gruppe)\n bzw. wom\u00c3\u00b6glich auch \"sudo\". Mach mal \"groups\" bei dir.\n \"sudo adduser hilfsaccount admin\"?\n aye\n In groups sehe ich den namen des kaputten accounts, jede Menge anderen kram aber nicht den anderen Account, der keine sudo-Rechte hat.\n RedNifre: den anderen sollst du auch nicht sehen. Nur ob da \"admin\" oder \"sudo\" steht.\n da steht sudo und lpadmin\n dann ist's \"sudo adduser hilfsaccount sudo\"\n also komplett: meinname adm cdrom sudo dip plugdev lpadmin sambashare\n \"Der Benutzer hilfsaccount existiert nicht\"\n Kann ich nicht einfach dem zweiten Account sudo-Rechte geben? Dann spare ich mir den extra-Account. (Macht das Sinn?)\n Ja.\n erledigt.\n habe dem zweiten account auch einen Ordner kaputteshome in sein home gesudo mkdirt.\n huch\n Jedenfalls ist der zweite Account jetzt sudo und hat einen freien Ordner in seinem home.\n Wie verschiebe ich alles vom home des kaputten users zum zweiten account? Und kopiere ich dann nicht das Problem gleich mit?\n RedNifre: Tust du. Aber du sollst dann sp\u00c3\u00a4ter beim Zur\u00c3\u00bcckschieben nur das mitnehmen, was du brauchst. I.e. Daten, keine Konfigurationen.\n okay.\n Wie verschiebe ich per Kommandozeile alles aus meinem home in den ordner im home des anderen Users?\n rsync -avP /home/alt/* /home/neu/kaputteshome\n irgendwas failed, permission denied.\n Ach, sudo braucht man ja auch...\n Kopiert das, oder verschiebt es? Der Festplattenplatz reicht vermutlich nicht f\u00c3\u00bcr kopieren.\n es kopiert\n ups. Ich sollte besser lesen. Ja, mv /home/alt/* /home/neu/kaputteshome\n Mit sudo nehme ich an?\n Die Tab-Vervollst\u00c3\u00a4ndigung setzt da noch ein / hinter kaputteshome, macht das irgend einen Unterschied?\n Hier nicht, nein. Bei rsync h\u00c3\u00a4tte es, beim ersten Parameter.\n Komisch, ich bekomme die Meldung \"Auf dem Ger\u00c3\u00a4t ist kein Speicherplatz mehr verf\u00c3\u00bcgbar\" (Nachdem der Befehl 1Minute lang irgendwas gemacht hat). Wie kann das bei mv \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt sein?\n es ist ein bisschen was in kaputteshome angekommen.\n vielleicht muss ich den Befehl einfach so oft wiederholen, bis alles dr\u00c3\u00bcben ist? :o)\n :-X\n hihi.\n oder geht dabei irgendwas verloren, zum Beispiel wenn ich einen halb verschobenen Ordner nochmal verschiebe (also dass dann die H\u00c3\u00a4lfte verschwindet, die schon kopiert wurde).\n du k\u00c3\u00b6nntest den f\u00c3\u00bcr root reservierten bereich von 5% auf 1% runtersetzen, falls du das noch nicht gemacht hast\n das gibt dir ein kleines plus an speicherplatz, evtl. reicht da\n Naja, das home sind so grob gesch\u00c3\u00a4tzt 30GB.\n und du hast keine m\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit, das anderweitig auszulagern?\n Oh, doch, klar.\n Habe ja noch ne externe Festplatte.\n Moment...\n uh, da musst du dann aber mit den rechten aufpassen. wenn das fat oder ntfs ist, gehen die verloren\n da braucht's dann tar o.\u00c3\u00a4.\n Ist ext4\n ah ok\n dann kannst du ja obigen rsync befehl nutzen\n Also w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich den rsync-Befeh---\n genau.\n Wie war das da nochmal mit dem /\n also nach /media/festplatte/kaputteshome ohne slash?\n beim zweiten Argument ist's egal.\n beim zielverzeichnis ist das afaik unwichtig\n gnnnh, jetzt ist durch den mv-Befehl ja die h\u00c3\u00a4lfte vom home woanders.\n Ich mv es erst mal wieder zur\u00c3\u00bcck.\n Grrrrh, oder \u00c3\u00bcberschreib ich mir das was? *Haare rauf*\n rsync doch einfach aus beiden quellen auf deine externe hdd\n Ah, gute Idee!\n Okay, zu den Dateien, die in beiden homes auftauchen: Die haben in kaputteshome eine Dateigr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fe von 0.\n Die w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich lieber alle l\u00c3\u00b6schen, bevor ich kaputteshome rsynce.\n Sehe so spontan 6 davon direkt in kaputteshome, wei\u00c3\u009f aber nicht, wie viele davon noch in Unterordnern lauern.\n Kann man rsync sagen, dass es leere Dateien ignorieren soll?\n Oder kann ich die leeren Dateien l\u00c3\u00b6schen? (Also alle, auch welche, die evtl. in Unterordnern liegen)\n Wenn jemand wei\u00c3\u009f, wie viele Dateien mv gleichzeitig bearbeitet, w\u00c3\u00bcsste ich schon mal, wie viele 0-gr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fen-Dateien hier rumliegen.\n RedN1fre: find /path/to/search -empty\n ich kenn mich da nicht so aus, aber k\u00c3\u00b6nnte es nicht auch sein, dass mv noch gar nichts gel\u00c3\u00b6scht hat in der quelle? und dementsprechend dort noch alles komplett ist\n ggf noch ein \"-type f\" dran, damit du nur Dateien findest und keine leeren Ordner\n Nein, es fehlen definitiv Sachen im home, die in kaputteshome auftauchen. Und ein paar wenige Dateien sind in beidem, aber leer in kaputteshome.\n oh, die leeren Dateien geh\u00c3\u00b6ren root, die erfolgreich gemvten nicht.\n Ist es eine gute Idee alle Dateien zu l\u00c3\u00b6schen, die root geh\u00c3\u00b6ren? :) Nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich nur in diesem Unterordner und \".\" ausgenommen.\n Warum m\u00c3\u00bcssen sich Linux-Probleme eigentlich immer wie Operationen am offenen Herzen anf\u00c3\u00bchlen? :/\n \"Jetzt hier ein kleiner Einschnitt, vorsicht, sonst \u00c3\u00bcberschreibst du dir deine Daten mit leeren Dateien\".\n Ich hol mir erst mal nen Kaffee, brb.\n *r\u00c3\u00a4usper* ein backup hast du hoffentlich? ;p\n nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich. Nur nicht getestet, ob man das wirklich einspielen kann. ;)\n hm, gute voraussetzung, ja.\n Also hast Du kein Backup.\n re\n Nun, die Daten liegen in der Dropbox und der Code in git.\n Ich sitze gerade am zweiten Rechner, die Daten in der Dropbox sind noch da und in git bestimmt auch, also ist \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt nichts verloren.\n Mir geht es eigentlich nur darum, dass ich nicht wieder alles neu einrichten muss.\n Solange Du das git repo selbst nicht l\u00c3\u00b6scht, kannst du in git keine Daten verlieren.\n Richtig, ich habe vielleicht kein Backup, kommt drauf an, wie gut die Standard-Einstellungen des Ubuntu-Backup-Tools sind.\n Eine Sicherung, deren Wiederherstellbarkeit Du nicht gepr\u00c3\u00bcft hast, liegt garantiert nicht in der Verantwortung von Ubuntu. :)\n halo, kann mir mal bitte einer die richtige Reihenfolge der XPCOM-Libs posten die man im aktuellen Seamonkey umordnen muss, damit er starten kann? Danke!\n Abigoven: ?\n Mir geht es eigentlich nur darum, mit m\u00c3\u00b6glichst wenig Zeit-Aufwand den Account wieder so nutzbar zu haben wie vorher. Also entweder, indem ich ihn repariere, oder indem ich einen neuen anlege, die Daten kopiere und vielleicht alles neu einstellen muss.\n Abigoven: Was ist denn das konkrete Problem?\n das Problem ist dass der aktuelle Sm auf XPCOM umgestellt wurde und jetzt seine eigenen Libs nicht findet - ein Rat war die Reihenfolge in dependendlibs.list umzuordnen\n aber das hat nicht gefunzt\n die Libs liegen btw im gleichen Verzeichnis\n Hast du eine konkrete Problembeschreibung, inklusive Fehlermeldung?\n Also wenn normalerweise in einem Ordner keine Dateien root geh\u00c3\u00b6ren und ich jetzt sehe, dass fehlgeschlagene mv-Dateien die Gr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fe 0 haben und root geh\u00c3\u00b6ren, wie kann ich dann in einem Ordner und Unterordnern alle Dateien l\u00c3\u00b6schen, die root geh\u00c3\u00b6ren und leer sind?\n Abigoven: Und auf welchem Ubuntu bist du da ganz genau?\n warte mal, ich starte mal\n RedN1fre: evtl. mit find\n so was wie find irgendwelcheparameter | rm ?\n Und dabei hoffen, dass die find-parameter wirklich nur f\u00c3\u00bcr den Unterordner gelten und mir nicht sonst alles weg l\u00c3\u00b6schen?\n find kann selbst l\u00c3\u00b6schen\n Abigoven: Benutz einen pastebin-Service un NICHT MEIN QUERY!\n okay...\n Vermutlich k\u00c3\u00b6nnte ich mir per man-Page das zurechtsuchen, aber ich habe Angst, dass ich durch ne Fehlbedienung alles ab / l\u00c3\u00b6sche oder so. Kennt ihr den passenden Befehl?\n ock\n XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /home/user/seamonkey/libxpcom.so:\n libdbus-glib-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory\n Couldn't load XPCOM.\n !paste | Abigoven \n !paste > Abigoven \n Abigoven: Nicht selbst geschriebener Text wird im IRC sehr unleserlich und unhandlich. Deshalb sollten mehr als 3 Zeilen immer in einen sogenannten Nopaste-Service wie z.B. http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/ abgelegt werden. Nach dem Speichern kannst du dann die URL der Seite kopieren und sie statt des Textes hier im Channel posten.\n Abigoven: Dieser Kanal ist KEIN pastebin-Service.\n Also den Befehl um in /home/user2/kaputteshome/ alle Dateien zu l\u00c3\u00b6schen, die leer sind UND root geh\u00c3\u00b6ren.\n aha, gut, dann weiss ich das jetzt auch was damit gemeint ist\n danke\n RedN1fre: Erstmal kannst Du Dich ja mit find besch\u00c3\u00a4ftigen und alle Dateien suchen, die root geh\u00c3\u00b6ren, und 0 Bytes gro\u00c3\u009f sind. L\u00c3\u00b6schen musst du ja erstmal nicht.\n Na gut. Wenn ich nachher weine wisst ihr warum.\n N\u00c3\u00b6.\n Weil Du nicht mitliest.\n Ich sagte gerade: \"L\u00c3\u00b6schen musst Du ja erstmal nicht\".\n Schon klar.\n Ja, also verlierst Du auch keine Dateien dabei.\n Wenn ich aber einen Fehler mache l\u00c3\u00b6sche ich vielleicht unbeabsichtigt.\n RedN1fre: find /home/user2/kaputteshome/ -empty -type f -exec echo {} \\; ## ungetestet. wenn die ausgabe stimmt, echo durch rm ersetzen.\n nagut, ich les erst mal alles.\n RedN1fre: Wenn Du nichts L\u00c3\u0096SCHT, L\u00c3\u0096SCHT Du nichts?\n Ich sagte SUCHEN und nicht L\u00c3\u0096SCHEN.\n bekks: Wenn ich nichts L\u00c3\u0096SCHEN WILL, aber einen Fehler mache, L\u00c3\u0096SCHE ich vielleicht?\n egal.\n Wie denn?\n Ohne rm?\n find kann nur dann l\u00c3\u00b6schen, wenn man ihm sagt, es soll l\u00c3\u00b6schen, und das ganz bewusst, mit -exec -rm ...\n Wenn ich es w\u00c3\u00bcsste best\u00c3\u00bcnde ja nicht die Chance, dass ich es versehentlich tu, deswegen kann ich dir nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich darauf nicht antworten.\n Wenn man das nicht tut, kann find auczh nichts l\u00c3\u00b6schen.\n Ist vielleicht nur Paranoia meinerseits.\n Vermutlich hast du recht und es ist ganz unwahrscheinlich, dass ich find falsch bediene.\n ppq das findet recht viel, fehlt in dem Befehl das \"und es geh\u00c3\u00b6rt root\"?\n Ja.\n RedN1fre: ja, ich wei\u00c3\u009f nicht wie man das mit reinbastelt, habe nicht die ganze zeit mitgelesen, evl. hat es schon jemand erkl\u00c3\u00a4rt\n Das geht find, steht in der man page :)\n ja, das setzt allerdings voraus, dass man dort reinguckt. ;)\n Ja, da k\u00c3\u00b6nnen wir nicht helfen :)\n Ich lese das schon die ganze Zeit nebenher.\n Dann wirst Du ganz sicher die Option \"user\" finden.\n bin in der liste gerade bei \"group\", das tut's wohl auch.\n Hmmm, nein.\n Gut, dann eben user (Warum tut's \"group\" nicht?)\n Weil das sucht nach einer Gruppenzugeh\u00c3\u00b6rigkeit und nicht nach einer Userzugeh\u00c3\u00b6rigkeit.\n Die fehlgeschlagenen mv-Dateien geh\u00c3\u00b6ren root und sind in der Gruppe root.\n Weil Du das Problem so formuliert hattest, dass die Dateien root geh\u00c3\u00b6ren. Von der Gruppe root war bis gerade eben keine Rede.\n Dass ich sage \"group tut's auch\" k\u00c3\u00b6nnte man so interpretieren, dass, unter der Annahme dass ich nicht doof bin, die Gruppenzugeh\u00c3\u00b6rigkeit zur Gruppe root in Verbindung mit \"Datei ist leer\" hinreichend ist, um fehlgeschlagene mv-Dateien zu identifizieren, auch wenn ich die Gruppenzugeh\u00c3\u00b6rigkeit vorher nicht erw\u00c3\u00a4hnt habe. \n K\u00c3\u00b6nnte man. Nur ist das hier kein Spekulationschannel :)\n Hm, warum kann ich das Suchergebnis nicht per | less anzeigen?\n (Versuche irgendwie in der Suchergebnis-Liste zu scrollen)\n Wie sieht denn dein Befehl genau aus bisher?\n sudo find /home/user2/kaputteshome/ -empty -user root -type f -exec echo {} \\; ##\n sudo?\n Suchen kann man die auch ohne sudo :) \n ah, gewohnheit, weil alle befehle davor sudo gebraucht haben.\n find /home/user2/kaputteshome/ -empty -user root -type f\n Das reicht v\u00c3\u00b6llig um alles zu finden was 0 Byte ist und root geh\u00c3\u00b6rt.\n Okay, habe die Liste durchgesehen, selbst falls nicht alle Eintr\u00c3\u00a4ge daraus aus dem fehlgeschlagenen mv resultieren k\u00c3\u00b6nnen sie trotzdem weg.\n Sollte ich jetzt das hier machen?: sudo find /home/user2/kaputteshome/ -empty -user root -type f -exec rm {} \\; ##\n Die beiden \"##\" am Ende sind Kommentarzeichen.\n Oh, ich dachte man br\u00c3\u00a4uchte nur ein # f\u00c3\u00bcr Kommentare?\n Du kannst auch 70 davon benutzen, es z\u00c3\u00a4hlt das erste.\n Also ohne ## kann ich den Befehl so ausf\u00c3\u00bchren, ohne das etwas passiert, was einem typischen User in meiner Situation nicht gefallen w\u00c3\u00bcrde?\n Die ## haben damit nichts zu tun.\n Die waren im Originalpost dazu da, das \"## ungetestet\" deutlich zu machen.\n Warum waren es da zwei statt einem?\n Weil der Autor das so wollte.\n Es geht mir nicht um die ##, es geht mir darum, ob der Befehl ansonsten wirklich richtig ist.\n ...und nicht etwa irgendwas anderes mit l\u00c3\u00b6scht.\n Also wenn ich ihn so eingebe mit -exec rm {} \\; l\u00c3\u00b6scht er nur die Suchergebnisse?\n Das h\u00c3\u00a4ngt von deinen Dateien ab, die wir nicht kennen. Und eine Garantie wird keiner daf\u00c3\u00bcr \u00c3\u00bcbernehmen. \n Was bedeutet eigentlich der {} \\; teil?\n Das steht in der man page :)\n Und ja, -exec ... l\u00c3\u00b6scht alle Dateien die durch die Suchbedingungen gefunden werden.\n Okay, das scheint funktioniert zu haben.\n Dan rsynce ich mal beite home-H\u00c3\u00a4lften auf die externe Platte, lege dann den User neu an und kopiere dann den ben\u00c3\u00b6tigten Kram zur\u00c3\u00bcck.\n Wolltest du den User nicht reparieren und ihn nicht neu anlegen?\n Nun, ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte mit m\u00c3\u00b6glichst geringem Aufwand wieder einen funktionierenden Account haben.\n Wie man ihn repariert wusste bisher niemand.\n Was genau \"funktioniert\" denn nicht?\n Das Problem ist, dass nach dem Log-In der Bildschirm kurz schwarz ist und man dann zum LogIn-Bildschirm zur\u00c3\u00bcckkehrt.\n Es wird auch keine .xsession-errors angelegt.\n Was spricht dagegen, alle Einstellungen zu l\u00c3\u00b6schen?\n Wie mache ich das?\n mit rm :)\n Ich meine wo liegen Einstellungen, deren L\u00c3\u00b6schung vielleicht den Account wieder benutzbar machen?\n Einfach alle Verzeichnisse mit einem . am Anfang l\u00c3\u00b6schen - du hast ja ein Backup.\n Einfach alle Verzeichnisse in deinem /home mit einem . am Anfang l\u00c3\u00b6schen - du hast ja ein Backup.\n (Ich mv derweil mal die eine home-H\u00c3\u00a4lfte wieder in das urspr\u00c3\u00bcngliche home...)\n Was auch immer Du da tust :)\n Aktueller Plan: home-H\u00c3\u00a4lfte wieder ins urspr\u00c3\u00bcngliche home zur\u00c3\u00bcck schieben, home per rsync auf die externe Platte kopieren, wild Einstellungen l\u00c3\u00b6schen, wenn's was bringt ist's gut, wenn nicht l\u00c3\u00b6sche ich den User und lege ihn neu an. Kommentare?\n Sch\u00c3\u00b6n, zur\u00c3\u00bcck schieben geht schon mal nicht: encryptfs_encrypt_page: Error attempting to write lower page; rc = [-5]\n Ach, das ganz ist auch noch ein verschl\u00c3\u00bcsseltes /home?\n Sch\u00c3\u00b6n, ist ein Ubuntu-Bug.\n Na klar! Sonst w\u00c3\u00a4r's ja zu einfach.\n Welches Ubuntu hast Du da denn genau?\n 12.04 LTS 64 bit auf einer SSD.\n okay, neuer Plan: Kram auf externe platte kopieren, dann wild Einstellungen l\u00c3\u00b6schen, wenn es dann wieder l\u00c3\u00a4uft kram zur\u00c3\u00bcck kopieren.\n Bin ich eigentlich der einzige, der solche Probeme hat? Funktioniert bei euch Ubuntu immer problemlos? \n Gerade konntest Du nichts zur\u00c3\u00bcckkopieren.\n Ja, meine Ubuntus laufen problemlos.\n Seit Jahren.\n Nicht in das verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselte home per Kommandozeile. Meine Hoffnung ist, dass ich es zur\u00c3\u00bcck kopieren kann, wenn ich in der GUI eingeloggt bin.\n Und wenn nicht? :)\n Neu installieren? Einen Mac kaufen? In eine Hippie-Kolonie einwandern und nie wieder Computer nutzen?\n Auf dem Laptop, an dem ich gerade sitze, l\u00c3\u00a4uft noch 11.10 und zwar ziemlich stabil. Warum macht 12.04 bei mir so Probleme? Sollte das nicht eigentlich die stabilere Version sein? \n Ausser deinem aktuellen Problem wissen wir von keinen anderen Problemen.\n Gibt noch so komische Bugs, dass ich nicht in den Fensterinhalt klicken kann (Auf die drei Kn\u00c3\u00b6pfe im Fensterrahmen zu klicken geht noch). Dann hilft nur neu anmelden.\n Es ist auch schon zwei mal passiert, dass der Rechner einfach komplett eingefroren ist.\n Compiz beendet sich manchmal.\n Und es gibt diese sch\u00c3\u00b6nen Windows95-artigen Fehlermeldungen \"Ubuntu hat ein Problem, Fortfahren?\" (Auch recht selten, aber komisch ist es schon)\n ISt bei mir noch nie passsiert.\n Bei diesen \"Es wurde ein Problem festgestellt\"-Meldungen kann man sich auch die Details angucken, welches Programm die Meldung verursachte.\n RedN1fre: die fehlermeldungen kommen nur, weil das fehler-meldungs porgramm ver\u00c3\u00a4ndert wurde. die fehler waren vorher auch da nur jetzt wird man benachrichtigt\n ah, okay.\n Ich meine, das einzige was an meinem Setup besonders ist ist vielleicht das verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselte home. Ist das als instabil bekannt? Habt ihr euer home verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselt?\n Ich habe noch nie mein /home verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselt. :)\n Hast du laptops/\u00c3\u00a4hnliches? Wenn ja, was ist dein Plan, wenn du mal einen verlierst?\n Wenn ich einen verliere, kaufe ich mir einen neuen. :)\n Ich mache mir doch nicht freiwillig die Performance einer SSD durch Verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselung wieder kaputt.\n Ich meinte jetzt wegen der Daten. Oder ist dein Laptop eh nur ein Terminal f\u00c3\u00bcr einen Server mit ner Ubuntu-VM, die auf einem ZFS sitzt oder so?\n Was hat denn jetzt ZFS damit zu tun?\n Hm, in der Kommandozeile finde ich doch externe Laufwerke in /media, oder?\n RedN1fre: wenn sie gemountet sind\n Nun, ich sehe in /media den Namen meiner externen Festplatte, bekomme aber \"keine Berechtigung\" wenn ich per cd drauf schauen m\u00c3\u00b6chte.\n Dann schau Dir doch die Berechtigungen an. ls -lha /media/\n Hm, anscheinend habe ich jetzt gar keinen Speicherplatz mehr frei.\n Ach, jetzt bootet es gar nicht mehr.\n Weil kein Speicherplatz mehr frei ist.\n Was soll ein Reboot daran auch \u00c3\u00a4ndern, dass die Platte voll ist.\n na, vielleicht irgendwelchen tempor\u00c3\u00a4ren kram l\u00c3\u00b6schen oder so.\n Jedenfalls kommt jetzt mountall: Keine Verbindung zu Plymouth.\n Ist die Frage, ob ich da jetzt wirklich noch Lust drauf habe, oder mich erst mal den Tag \u00c3\u00bcber in die Sonne lege und heute Abend Ubuntu neu installiere.\n Hey, ausgehend von meiner Tante habe ich eine E-Mail bekommen: Inhalt ist eine scheinbar pers\u00c3\u00b6nliche Nachricht mit einem Link zu einer xx-Seite. Auch andere E-Mail Kontakte von ihr erhielten die gleiche Nachricht. Scheint eine Art Virus zu sein. Jeder der den Link anklickt, verbreitet die Seite weiter an seine Kontakte. Bin ich da mit Ubuntu auf der sicheren Seite, oder gibt es eine Art Virus auf Browserebene?\n RedN1fre: Neu installieren ist Bl\u00c3\u00b6dsinn.\n RedN1fre: L\u00c3\u00b6sch unn\u00c3\u00b6tigen Kram, und gut.\n Ich meine, die Idee war, dass ich durch die Reparatur Zeit spare gegen\u00c3\u00bcber neu installieren. Ich habe so langsam den Eindruck, dass Reparieren l\u00c3\u00a4nger dauert.\n RedN1fre: Du brauchst nicht neu zu installieren.\n Nun, wenn es gar nicht mehr bootet muss ich wohl eine Live-CD nutzen, mein home mit dem Master-Passwort entschl\u00c3\u00bcsseln, Kram l\u00c3\u00b6schen und hoffen dass es dann geht.\n Exakt.\n Was mich gerade demotiviert: Alles neu einrichten dauert lange, aber vorraussehbar lange. Reparieren dauert wenn ich Gl\u00c3\u00bcck habe nicht lange, wenn ich Pech habe ewig.\n Nun gut, ich probier's per LiveCD...\n ...nach dem Mittagessen. Vielen Dank erst mal bis hier hin, bis nachher!\n Guest24004: Klick den Link halt nicht an...\n Habe ich auch nicht.. Geht eher ums Prinzip\n Meine Mutter hat ihn angeklickt - Sie hat Ubuntu\n mahlzeit :-) ich habe ein sony notebook was eine \u00c3\u00bcberdurchschnittliche beleuchtung hat diese kann ich mit den fn oder in den system einstellungen verkleinern, das problem ist aber das ubuntu sich dies nach einen neustart nicht merkt :-( was kann ich da machen?\n johny_: Nichts. Das liegt am Notebook, nicht an Ubuntu.\n tolle antwort bekks, es muss doch ein script geben das im autostart liegt und die beleuchtung so einstellt wie man es haben will, wie gesagt man kann \u00c3\u00bcber die system einstellungen die beleuchtung regeln.\n johny_, Du k\u00c3\u00b6nntest aber mal in den Systemmenus unter Energieeinstellungen schauen.\n johny_, Kommt drauf an welche Version von Ubuntu.. aber hier hab ich einen Schieber drin. Ob ers beh\u00c3\u00a4lt ist ne andere Frage\n johny_: Gibt es aber nicht. Ich kann nichts daf\u00c3\u00bcr, dass Dir die Antwort nicht passt. Wenn du so ein Script m\u00c3\u00b6chtest, musst Du es selbst anlegen.\n johny_: du kannst mal in den hardware datenbanken oder den suchmaschinen suchen, ob wer da ein script angefertigt hat\n !hcl > johny_ \n johny_: HCL ist die Hardware Compatibility List. Siehe https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/ sowie http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Hardwaredatenbank\n dreamon__ auf die idee bin ich auch schon gekommen :-) glaube unter windows h\u00c3\u00a4tte das geklappt, leider unter ubuntu nicht, kubine komme im wiki nicht an den passenden artikel habe auch schon nach sony vaio gesucht --->>> http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Archiv/Hardwaredatenbank/Notebooks?highlight=sony%20vaio\n Title: Notebooks \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Hardwaredatenbank \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Archiv \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n !bot > kubine \n kubine: Ich bin ein Bot. ;-)\n :D\n http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Archiv/Hardwaredatenbank/Notebooks/N-Z#Sony\n Title: N-Z \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Notebooks \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Hardwaredatenbank \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Archiv \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n mehr finde ich nicht hmm mache ich was falsch oder besteht dazu einfach kein artikel \n johny_: die hardware artikel im deutschen wiki sind nicht mehr aktuell. es wurden aber doch andere listen genannt. und ich sagte ja such einfach mal in einer suchmaschine deiner wahl\n es gibt n\u00c3\u00a4mlich mehr als ein vario von sony.\n *vaio\n Tag. Mein altes Notebook Siemens geht unter Ubuntu 12.04 bis auf Wlan BCM4318. Habe schon jockey-gtk suchen lassen. (kein treiber). 3 ndis pakete hab ich nach Anleitung installiert.\n https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper \n Title: WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper - Community Ubuntu Documentation (at help.ubuntu.com)\n Es wir jedoch immer noch kein WLAN Netz angezeigt.\n Der 4318 sollte eigentlich aus dem Stand mit b43 oder b43legacy funktionieren. ndiswrapper ist die schlechteste aller Alternativen.\n krusche_: sudo apt-get install pastebinit rfkill und dann rfkill list | pastebinit bitte\n http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#Supported_devices \n Title: b43 - Linux Wireless (at linuxwireless.org)\n BCM4318 funktioniert mit dem b43.\n bekks, Dachte mich an das Tut zu halten. ppq kommt gleich\n An welches \"Tut\"?\n ppq, You are trying to send an empty document ;)\n der prop... nvidia treiber ist echt f\u00c3\u00bcr den ar**h, man kann damit die helligkeit nicht mehr regeln, und man kann den monitor damit nicht kalibrieren der orginale ubuntu treiber ruckelt zwar beim scrollen aber daf\u00c3\u00bcr kann man zumindest die helligkeit regeln und den monitor kalibrieren :-) \n krusche_: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/WLAN/Karten#Broadcom Da steht doch sehr eindeutig was von b43 und nicht von ndiswrapper.\n Title: Karten \u00e2\u0080\u00ba WLAN \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n krusche_: dann wird deine wlan-karte tats\u00c3\u00a4chlich gar nicht erkannt. lspci -vvv | pastebinit als n\u00c3\u00a4chstes \n ppq, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1128590/\n Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)\n krusche_: ok, dann bitte noch lsmod | pastebinit\n bekks, Es sind jedoch 3 packete mit b43 installiert. Zeigt mir das softwarecenter an\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/1128598/\n Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)\n krusche_: b43 hat nichts mit ndiswrapper zu tun, und bei Dir ist kein einziges b43 Paket geladen.\n bekks, Na Klasse. Ich habe ein Ladeproblem. ;) \n krusche_: Schmeiss den ndiswrapper-Kram komplett runter. Erst die installierten ndiswrapper-Treiber deinstallieren, dann das Paket selbst.\n ok\n Und dann alle b43-Pakete deinstallieren, und b43 wieder installieren.\n Die b43 hab ich nicht installiert. Als ich festgestellt hab das Wlan nicht geht, wurde lediglich von mir die 3 ndis deb installiert\n habe 'torchat' installiert. L\u00c3\u00a4sst sich aber nicht beenden. Beim n\u00c3\u00a4chten Startversuch Meldung, dass es schon l\u00c3\u00a4uft. kill und killall auch erfolglos. ImSystray ist es leider auch nicht. - Ubunty 12.04/unity 3D\n beaver74__, Ok, b43 und ndis* wurden deinstalliert\n beaver74__, Entschludiung. Das sollte an bekks gehen\n bekks, habe nun b43-fwcutter und firmware-b43-installer installiert. Es sind noch 2 weitere Paket w\u00c3\u00a4hlbar. Hei\u00c3\u009fen \u00c3\u00a4hnlich.\n Und deren Namen soll ich erraten? :)\n krusche_: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/WLAN/Broadcom_bcm43xx hast du bereits gelesen?\n Title: Broadcom bcm43xx \u00e2\u0080\u00ba WLAN \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n bekks, hihi.. firmware-b43-lpphy-installer, firmware-b43leagacy-installer\n k1l_, Noch nicht. Hab mich auf Google zu diesem Link f\u00c3\u00bchren lassen. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#b43%20-%20Internet%20access\n Title: WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx - Community Ubuntu Documentation (at help.ubuntu.com)\n wenn das mit den 2 Paketen euere Zustimmung findet, sollte ich dann vielleicht reboot machen?\n k1l_, Da steht oben nur 11.10 daher habe ich das vermutlich \u00c3\u00bcbersprungen. In der Anleitung selbst steht oneric mit dabei\n krusche_: das hat dann nur noch keiner f\u00c3\u00bcr 12.04 eingetragen, dass es dort funktioniert.\n gerade das mit dem 3.0er kernel ist interessant\n k1l_, Ja das lese ich auch gerade. Ich probiere das gleich mal aus\n jockey-gtk zeigt nichts an. Ist ein reboot notwendig, damit die \u00c3\u0084nderungen \u00c3\u00bcbernommen werden?\n jockeey isst v\u00c3\u00b6llig egal.\n sudo modprobe b43 reicht.\n bekks, Coooool. nun gehts. Stellt sich die Frage: Mu\u00c3\u009f ich modprobe bei jedem Start machen?\n Reboote doch einfach mal. :)\n Okay. Bin kurz weg.\n bekks, k1l_ Ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte mich bei euch Bedanken. Es starte auch bei einem Reboot. (warum auch immer) Vielen DANK. Ein Sch\u00c3\u00b6nes Wochenende\n krusche: Gerne :)\n In der Compiz-Konfigurationsbearbeitung kann man mit Maus auf dem Desktop zeichnen. Button1 - was ist 'Buttton1'..'Button2' ...?? zeichnen\n apricot1: der mouse button\n ahh danke :) - da kann ich lange die tastatur qu\u00c3\u00a4len *g*\n hab \u00c3\u00bcbrigens rausgefunden, warum meine Festplatte ewig *ratterte* und das System stoppte: 'Zeitgeist' Indizierung. hab das Ding rausgeworfen und seitdem ist Ruhe im Karton...\n war erst sehr verwirrt, weil auf youtube gibts auch viel 'Zeitgeist' videos (politisch)\n hey ich hab den kwin-style-dekorator installiert wie finde ich heraus was das bin file dazu ist? kwin-style-dekorator gibt es n\u00c3\u00a4mlich nicht\n hardcore: dpkg -L kwin-style-dekorator angucken\n re\n Habe hier eine externe Festplatte mit ext4, die sich auf dem Laptop problemlos nutzen l\u00c3\u00a4sst, auf dem fuckedup-Rechner bekomme ich allerdings \"wrong fs type\" wenn ich es mounten m\u00c3\u00b6chte. Warum?\n Habe es so versucht: sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/sdb /media/platte\n Wie mounte ich eine ext4-Platte in der Kommandozeile so, dass ich Kram drauf kopieren kann?\n !mount > RedN1fre \n RedN1fre: Informationen zu mount finden sich im Wiki unter http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/mount\n wrong fs type sagt Dir, dass das kein ext4 ist.\n Nun, ich habe es als ext4 formatiert, auf dem Laptop kann ich es nutzen und auf dem Laptop sagt mir df -T dass es ext4 ist.\n vlt willst du auch eher die partition mounten und nicht die gesammte festplatte\n Sollte nur eine Partition sein, aber gut. Mal im Wiki lesen, wie ich die Partition rausfinde und die mounte...\n RedN1fre: sdXY x ist nen buchstabe, Y ne zahl. gib mal \"sudo fdisk -l\" (hinten kleines L) ein\n ah, sieht nach sdb1 aus.\n Also Disk ist /dev/sdb und Ger\u00c3\u00a4t ist /dev/sbd1, wobei ich den Unterschied zwischen den Begriffen \"Disk\" und \"Ger\u00c3\u00a4t\" in diesem Zusammenhang nichth verstehe.\n Hat jedenfalls geklappt, Partition ist gemountet. Danke! :)\n RedN1fre: hab ich oben beschrieben. die begrifflichkeiten sind teilweise schlecht \u00c3\u00bcbersetzt\n Alles klar.\n Und jede Platte hat 255 K\u00c3\u00b6pfe? Auch die SSD? Hm.\n Das nennt man logical block addressing.\n Also es meint nicht diese motorisierten Lesek\u00c3\u00b6pfe, die \u00c3\u00bcber die Platte huschen?\n Das wird so \u00c3\u00bcbersetzt, unabh\u00c3\u00a4ngig davon, welche physikalischen eigenheiten die platte hat.\n RedN1fre: die ssds simulieren, dass sie eine normale festplatte w\u00c3\u00a4ren. sonst k\u00c3\u00b6nnte man die nicht einfach austauschen gegen normale hdds\n Doch, es meint genau die Lesek\u00c3\u00b6pfe.\n Ich kenne mich mit Festplatten nicht so aus, aber sind nicht mehrere Disks gestapelt und ein Kamm aus Lesek\u00c3\u00b6pfen ist dazwischen geklemmt, ein Lesekopf pro Disk? Das sind doch bestimmt keine 255 Lesek\u00c3\u00b6pfe?\n RedN1fre: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Block_Addressing\n Title: Logical Block Addressing \u00e2\u0080\u0093 Wikipedia (at de.wikipedia.org)\n Plane gerade ein paar GB per Kommandozeile auf die externe Platte zu schieben. Bin mir bei den rsync-Parametern unsicher, reicht einfach -r ?\n Vor ein paar Stunden hat mir glaube ich jemand mehr Parameter empfohlen, nur leider ist das log weg :/\n ah, war avP. Gleich mal nachlesen...\n Hallo! Ich versuche \u00c3\u00bcber rsyslog Nachrichten \u00c3\u00bcber ein Script per Email zu verschicken. Das geht auch, allerdings will ich, wenn jemand z.B versucht, \"su root\" auszuf\u00c3\u00bchren, dass in der mail mitgeschickt wird, als wer er versucht hat, sich anzumelden, also in dem fall \"root\", aber ich finde daf\u00c3\u00bcr kein property\n Jemand nen Tipp, wie lange es dauert 40GB per USB-3 auf eine externe Festplatte zu kopieren?\n Minuten? Stunden? Tage?\n Ja, ok, ich rechne es ja schon selbst aus...\n bei vollem usb3 speed unter einer stunde :)\n aber das sind j immer nur maximal datenraten\n Gut, dann kann ich ja noch ein paar Besorgungen erledigen. Bis sp\u00c3\u00a4ter! :)\n Also ich kommt auf 10 Minuten.\n Das lohnt nicht :)\n Hi. Ne Frage: hab aufm Server Ubuntu 12.10 und irgendwie kam beim installieren von TOR vorhin nen fehler. Es hie\u00c3\u009f, dass dpkg schon von wemanders verwendet wird, und nach nem neustart bleibt apt-get nun immer bei \"richte udev ein\" h\u00c3\u00a4ngen\n und wennn ich \"dpkg --configure -a\" mache, dann das gleiche problem\n mattze__: 12.10 ist noch nicht freigegeben. also bitte in den +1 channels nachfragen (am besten im englischen)\n und dort zeigst du am besten die konkrete fehlermeldung, so kann man das nur schwer nachvollziehen\n Hallo! :-)\n Coole Sache, wild Konfigurationen zu l\u00c3\u00b6schen hat meinen Account wieder nutzbar gemacht.\n k1l_, sry, nutze doch die 12.04\n also das hier is die fehlermeldung: http://pastebin.com/DbNbSYJk\n Title: root@gala:~# apt-get check E: Der dpkg-Prozess wurde unterbrochen; Sie m\u00c3\u00bcssen - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)\n hi\n hallo zusammen, habe gerade kopfh\u00c3\u00b6rer an meinem notebook angeschlossen und h\u00c3\u00b6re einen seltsamen hall\n mir ist das problem bereits an meinem firmenrechner bekannt, da hatte der anschluss irgendwie wackelkontakte\n beim drehen vom stecker krieg ich auch ein rauschen\n wenn ich die balance etwas mehr nach links drehe statt mititig scheints zu gehen\n s/mititig/mittig\n oder nach rechts\n sind das ultra\u00c3\u00bcberteure kopfh\u00c3\u00b6rer?\n dAnjou: nein eigentlich nicht, die waren bei meinem samsung galaxy s i9000 dabei\n was l\u00c3\u00a4uft auf dem firmenrechner?\n win 7\n WasserDragoon: und wo genau siehst du dann einen ubuntu-bezug?\n dAnjou: es geht ja nicht um meinen firmenrechner sondern um mein heim laptop\n ich muss die balance nach rechts oder links stellen damit der sound nich hallt\n WasserDragoon: wenn dasselbe problem mit zwei unterschiedlichen betriebssystemen auftritt, liegt es doch wohl eher an der hardware, oder meinste nich?\n WasserDragoon: Micro vorhanden? (think: vielleicht leichte R\u00c3\u00bcckkopplung)\n dAnjou: das war ja nur ein vergleich, hier steckt der stecker 100%ig korrekt drin\n jokrebel: ja ist ein micro mit dran\n WasserDragoon: Dann mute das doch mal testhalber.\n jokrebel: muss ich mal testen danke\n hm das wird garnich angezeigt\n dAnjou: Der Hinweis auf ein \u00c3\u00a4hnliches Problem an anderer Hardware mit anderem OS war wohl etwas irref\u00c3\u00bchrend/ungl\u00c3\u00bccklich.\n was?\n jokrebel: es wird nur das mikro vom laptop angezeigt nich vom kopfh\u00c3\u00b6rer\n in den sound einstellungen\n WasserDragoon: Dann schau mal im Terminal bei alsamixer.\n is das eventuell so nen besonderer klinkenstecker, mit dem nur das handy umgehen kann? (kp, obs sowas gibt)\n jokrebel: kenn mich mit dem soundzeug nich aus, da steht nun master, headphone, speaker, pcm, mic boost, s/pdif und auto-mute\n WasserDragoon: Hast Du ein externes Mirofon angesteckt oder nicht?\n der Kopfh\u00c3\u00b6rer f\u00c3\u00bcr mit Micro ist was Handyspezifisches oder wie? Welche Bauform?\n bullgard4: ich habe das headset vom samsung galaxy s angesteckt, da ist ein mikro mit dran\n jokrebel: ich hab ehrlich gesagt keine ahnung steht nur samsung drauf\n jokrebel: scheinen die hier zu sein http://www.amazon.de/Samsung-Stereo-Headset-Kopfh%C3%B6rer-Galaxy/dp/B0047QL0KW\n Wass wenn das ein vierpoliger Kinkenstecker ist k\u00c3\u00b6nnte das IMHO in einem reinen Kopfh\u00c3\u00b6rersteckplatz (normalerweise 3-polig) schon Probleme bereiten.\n Wass = WasserDragoon\n jokrebel: also ich les grad in den rezensionen das scheint einfach an den kopfh\u00c3\u00b6rern zu liegen\n samsung ist und bleibt einfach dreck\n WasserDragoon: Hat damit eher nichts zu tun, sondern dass Du in einen 2Kanal Ausgang was einstecksts das, zwar 2 AusgangsEndger\u00c3\u00a4te (Ohrh\u00c3\u00b6rer) hat, aber zus\u00c3\u00a4tlich auch noch eine EingangsQuelle (Micro)\n hm muss ich mich eben damit abfinden, dass ich die balance verstelle, is zwar nich so wunderbarer klang aber h\u00c3\u00b6rt sich wenigstens halbwegs normal an\n WasserDragoon: Und da hast Du noch Gl\u00c3\u00bcck wenn dabei nichts der beteiligten Ger\u00c3\u00a4te zu Schaden kommt. Nur weil der Stecker passt muss es noch lange nicht kompatibel sein. N\u00c3\u00a4heres gerne in #ubuntu-de-offtopic da Hardware-Geschichte und nichts mit Ubuntu zu tun.\n WasserDragoon: oder du nimmst einfach 5euro in die hand und kaufst dir h\u00c3\u00b6herwertige kopfh\u00c3\u00b6rer (das mikro brauch man eh nie)\n WasserDragoon: \u00e2\u0080\u00a6ob das ne langfristig Gute Idee f\u00c3\u00bcr Deine Hardware ist m\u00c3\u00b6chte ich mal vorsichtig bezweifeln und warne nochmals vor m\u00c3\u00b6glichen Folgesch\u00c3\u00a4den \n alles klar danke euch\n WasserDragoon: Und 98% der Soundkarten die ich kenne haben nun mal 2 getrennte Steckpl\u00c3\u00a4tze (2mal Klinke meist) f\u00c3\u00bcr Micro und H\u00c3\u00b6rer. KA ob man da Adapter bekommen k\u00c3\u00b6nnte, aber dann kann man auch gleich nen reinen H\u00c3\u00b6rer kaufen.\n hallo\n bin ich hier richtig im deutschen ubuntu channel?\n Hallo, ja. \n gut. hab das mit irc und so n\u00c3\u00a4mlich zum ersten mal gemacht.\n Guest18921: Kein Problem. Frag einfach und wir sehn was wir machen k\u00c3\u00b6nnen.\n ja danke. aber ich hab eigentlich kein problem, sondern wollte nur mal xchat ausprobieren :)\n unterhalten wir uns doch lieber \u00c3\u00bcber windows 8\n hab ihr mal diese bl\u00c3\u00b6de metro oberfl\u00c3\u00a4che gesehen?\n Guest18921: In dem Falle bist Du in #ubuntu-de-offtopic besser aufgehoben.\n ok\n ciao\n guten nabend\n kann mir jemand bei einem problem mit einem treiber helfen? ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte den usb wlan treiber rt2800usb installieren.\n laurox: Was klappt nicht?\n mit modprobe rt2800usb habe ich zugriff, aber der ist ja leider nicht dauerhaft\n trag das modul in deine /etc/modules ein\n wie kann ich denn den treiber RICHTIG einbinden\n ?\n dann wird es automatisch beim systemstart geladen\n einfach in eine neue zeile am ende der datei den modulnamen schreiben\n mach ich das mit insmod?\n nein, mit einem texteditor :)\n sudo nano /etc/modules beispielsweise\n oh, das ist alles? gleich mal probieren\n mit den pfeiltasten navigieren, nach dem editieren mit STRG+O speichern und mit STRG+X beenden\n laurox: Siehe Wiki http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Kernelmodule#Module-automatisch-laden\n Title: Kernelmodule \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n habe ich noch nicht gelesen @ kubine, aber danke f\u00c3\u00bcr den tipp. werde ich nachholen.^^\n laurox, kubine ist ein Computerprogramm\n ups.... noob..... :)\n reicht es denn nur rt2800usb zu schreiben? oder muss ich modprobe davor setzen?\n nein, wirklich nur den modulnamen\n ok danke, gleich mal probieren...\n laurox: Extra Zeile und dort nur den Modulnamen rein\n Mit welchem Befehl kann ich im mc das zweite Panel dem ersten angleichen?\n bullgard4: Hab das zwar gar nicht aber Google behauptet Alt+o http://linuxwiki.de/MidnightCommander\n Title: MidnightCommander - LinuxWiki.org - Linux Wiki und Freie Software (at linuxwiki.de)\n jokrebel: Danke! (Ich war immer auf Ctrl+O aus, und das funktonierte nicht.)\n bullgard4: Gerne. Btw war das der erste Treffer beim googlen nach \"midnight commander 2tes panel angleichen\" Und da ist es sogar schon in der \u00c3\u009cbersichtszeile erw\u00c3\u00a4hnt.\n Guten Abend.\n @ppq kannst du mir bitte noch einmal helfen? der chipsatz meiner usb wlan karte wird nicht erkannt\n laurox_: K\u00c3\u00b6nnt sein das der schon im Urlaubsstress ist. Was brauchst Du denn?\n laurox_: Wenn ich mich recht erinnere hatte das ja per Modul laden schon geklappt, oder?\n das Zeitgeist Modul bremst meinen PC bis zum Stillstand. Fast keine Mausbewegung mehr m\u00c3\u00b6glich. Wenn ich Zeitgeist beende gehts wieder. Doch das Ding startet sich immer wieder selbst!! Wie kann ich das entg\u00c3\u00bcltig stoppen ?\n deinstallieren vielleicht?\n apricot1: Vielleicht trifft ja auch dieser Bug auf Dich zu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zeitgeist/+bug/722762\n Title: Bug #722762 \u00e2\u0080\u009czeitgeist-daemon using ~100% of CPU\u00e2\u0080\u009d : Bugs : \u00e2\u0080\u009czeitgeist\u00e2\u0080\u009d package : Ubuntu (at bugs.launchpad.net)\n ich probiers mal...\n jokrebel, danke. jetzt ist das System wieder flott. Das ist ja \u00c3\u00a4tzend. Wenn Zeitgeist einieg Zeit (~1Std) l\u00c3\u00a4uft bremst es mir die Maus immer mehr; bis zum Stillstand. Ob es an TwinView mit 2 Monitoren liegt? Egal, ohne Zeitgeist gehts :)\n apricot1: Wie gesagt im 2ten Post betrifft Dich vielleicht ein Bug. Ich hab ihn mir allerdings nicht durchgelesen.\n grr\n jetzt schl\u00c3\u00a4gts 13! Ich hab Zeizgeist im software-center deinstalliert! - Den PC neu gestartet. Und trotzdem ist es wieder da!!!\n apricot1: dann hast du vermutlich ein paar pakete vergessen\n das geht mit dem softwarecenter leider manchmal recht einfach mit synaptic war das besser\n ich seh grad in Synaptic noch etliches... aber wenn ich die deinstallieren will dann werden auh Pakete deinstalliert: unity-lens-video, nautilus, gnome !! Mannomann was ist das denn ?\n gedit, totem-plugins, gnome-session\n grrr, die 2te bastelkiste zickt. wie kann ich denn ein ubuntu 11.10 auf 12.04 heben wenn die aktualisierungsverwaltung sich einfach kommentarlos beendet?\n wieso soll beim entfernen von 'libzeitgeist-1.0-1 auch gedit entfernt werden? Was ist das f\u00c3\u00bcr ein Bl\u00c3\u00b6dsinn?\n L\u00c3\u00b6tmichelDer erste Schritt ist 'apt-get update'.\n bullgard4: schon passiert\n aktualisiert isses\n aber den dist-upgrade will er nicht machen\n L\u00c3\u00b6tmichel: Genauer! Was hei\u00c3\u009ft \"will nicht\"? \n apricot1: Hast Du in Synaptic \"purge\" ausgww\u00c3\u00a4hlt?\n korrektur: jetzt gehts. ich dachte immer \"reboot tut gut\" hilft nur bei windows?\n apricot1: Gib Zeitgeist in der Dash ein und schalt es dort einfach auf \"aus\"\n purge ?\n und \"will nicht\" heisst da\u00c3\u009f sich die aktualisierungsverwaltung kommentarlos beendet hat.\n ohne fehlermeldung, einfach wech\n Loetmichel: Reboot war sicher nicht n\u00c3\u00b6tig. Du hast irgendeine Kleinigkeit \u00c3\u00bcbersehen. Diese Kleinigkeit wurde durch das Reboot gel\u00c3\u00b6st.\n jokrebel, jetzt hab ich das meiste rausgew\u00c3\u00bcrgt \n Loetmichel: Ich glaube Dir nicht, da\u00c3\u009f nirgends eine Fehlermeldung auftrat. Du hast sie wahrscheinlich nur nicht gefunden.\n apricot1: Sorry - Du warst zu schnell (und auch zu schnell wieder raus aus dem Kanal!) hab ich erst sp\u00c3\u00a4ter gefunden\u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n bullgard4: keine auf der gui. in den logs hab ich noch nicht gebuddelt\n apricot1: Aber bevor Du Dir jetzt deswegen das halbe System zerschie\u00c3\u009ft. \n jokrebel, wie schalt ich denn in der Dash ein Programm aus ?\n Loetmichel: In Zukunft mu\u00c3\u009ft Du die Logs mehr beachten.\n apricot1: Hast Du denn wenigsten den Bug-hinweis noch gelesen?\n ja hat mir aber auch nicht weitergeholfen\n na ja\n von einem programm auf der gui erwarte ich da\u00c3\u009f es sich auch auf der gui verabschiedet\n apricot1: Oben auf das Dash-Symbol - in der Eingabezeile \"Zeitgeist\" eintippen\n und sei es mit einem crahs report\n Loetmichel: Da erwartest Du oft zu viel.\n jo, wirkt so\n jokrebel, ok, dann kann ich Proggis aufrufen, aber sonst nix\n apricot1: Auf Privatsph\u00c3\u00a4re klicken und dort dann auf\u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n educated guess, da es jetzt geht: es ist an der stelle verschwunden wo man nach dem \"sudo\" PW gefragt wird.\n der dialog kam nicht beim ersten versuch\n apricot1: \"Aktivit\u00c3\u00a4t aufzeichen\" und das dann auf \"aus\" stellen\n jokrebel, was meinst du mit \"Privatsph\u00c3\u00a4re\"\n vermutlich hat sich da die \"rechteverwaltung\" heimlich verabnschiedet\n Loetmichel: Gut m\u00c3\u00b6glich. Wahrscheinlich gab es eine Fehlermeldung in dmesg oder in ~/.xsession-errors.\n Oder auch in /var/log/syslog .\n ich werd' ma schaun. jetzt saugt er erst mal\n danke\n jokrebel, funzt wohl deshalb nicht, weil ich Zeitgeist zum gr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009ften Teil schon deinstalliert hab. Ich installier es nochmal neu und versuchs dann mal nach deiner Anleitung. Erstmal danke\n apricot1: Und h\u00c3\u00a4ng Dich an den BugReport mit dran, wenn er denn auf Dich auch zutrifft.\n apricot1: Und _lie\u00c3\u009f_ ihn. Vielleicht steht da ja schon ein Workaround drin.\n jokrebel, es k\u00c3\u00b6nnte vielleicht daran liegen, dass ich truecrypt Ordener habe, die ab und zu gemounted sind...\n jokrebel, mach ich .. danke\n apricot1: Keine Ahnung. Hab es nicht gelesen und meine Mutmassungen sind auch nur ergooglet. Hab mich mit Zeitgeist nicht n\u00c3\u00a4her besch\u00c3\u00a4ftigt.\n jokrebel, wenns nicht l\u00c3\u00a4uft hab ich es bisher noch nicht vermisst :)\n jokrebel, wie gesagt, ich kenn 'Zeigeist' eigentlich nur von youtube - politische Videos\n apricot1: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Zeitgeist dann weist Du n bisschen mehr vielleicht ;-)\n Title: Zeitgeist \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n danke\n Gerne\n hi, ich habe immer wieder Probleme mit PDF-Formularen, in die man nichts schreiben kann. Sprich: ich muss sie ausdrucken und von Hand ausf\u00c3\u00bcllen. Da meine Handschrift aber mieserabel ist... Hat jemand einen Tipp, wie ich die Formulare dennoch am Rechner ausf\u00c3\u00bcllen kann. Fr\u00c3\u00bcher hatte ich daf\u00c3\u00bcr AcrobatProfessionel, gibt es auch eine Ubuntu-L\u00c3\u00b6sung???\n michi__, Mit open Office \u00c3\u00b6ffnen. Einen anderen namen vergeben und speichern. dann diese Datei weiterbearbeiten. Hier ging das soweit ich mich erinnern kann\n ok, dann das PDF als Hintergrund speichern und dr\u00c3\u00bcber tippen, richtig?\n michi__, \u00c3\u00a4hm.. ne das importierte pdf kannst du bearbeiten, mein ich zumindest\n ich probiere es mal aus\n also, immer wenn ich ein pdf \u00c3\u00b6ffnen will, fragt er mich die Kodierung ab :(\n michi__, mit was \u00c3\u00b6ffnest du?\n libreoffice ubuntu 12.04\n Hast du pdf im dateityp angegeben?\n ja\n Dann hatte ich lauter problemlose pdfs proberit\n :(\n hallo leute\n Mein VLC player spielt keine HD filme ab. meine bildschirmaufl\u00c3\u00b6sung ist 1440x900. kann das daran liegen?\n steht ein faxgeraet neben deinem rechner?\n ? :D das war wohl nicht auf mich bezogen, oder?\n doch :p\n wenn du meinst, dass meine aufl\u00c3\u00b6sung nicht zeitgem\u00c3\u00a4\u00c3\u009f ist: es ist ein notebook. es ist ein \u00c3\u00a4lteres notebook. es ist nicht mein produktivsystem\n naja, so alt ist es nun auch nicht. 3 jahre vielleicht\n und nein, ich habe kein faxger\u00c3\u00a4t, ich bekomme meine faxe als pdf anhang an meine mailadresse :D\n Oh das ist praktisch\n Hatte mal ueberlegt eine isdn karte im router zu verbauen, aber meh\n fritzbox\n ah, joar die dinger koennen schon dolle sachen\n +ngn anschluss = spa\u00c3\u009f\n ne idee bez\u00c3\u00bcglich meines \"problems\"?\n nicht wirklich, warum nutzt du nicht einen gestreamer player?\n bzw. funktioniert es mit irgendwas anderem\n mit dem gnome mplayer gehts auch nicht\n neugestartet?\n :D ja\n Soweit ich das im forum mitbekomme emfehlen erfahrene ubuntu user allem anschein nach neuinstallationen, aber das scheint mir drastisch\n was sagt vlc denn wenn du das terminal aufmachst und dort vlc DATEI angibst?\n dann sieht man vllt ein fehler\n hab grad xine probiert\n \"die anzahl verworfener bilder ist zu gro\u00c3\u009f, weil ihr system zu langsam, nicht richtig optimiert oder zu langsam ist\" nett, dass sie das langsam wiederholen hehe\n ah\n Ah, ging das frueher denn mal?\n vlc \u00c3\u00bcber konsole sagt das \"Interlaced WVC1 support is not implemented\"\n Google das mal und guck ob du was findest\n wahlweise mit ubuntu noch als suchbegriff dabei und vlc, oder linux generell statt ubuntu\n mach ich grad, danke :)\n nabend\n moin\n http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Live-USB <- hier wird behauptet, usb-creator.exe bef\u00c3\u00a4nde sich irgendwo auf der desktop cd\n Title: Live-USB \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n leider wird nicht verraten wo, und ne dateisuche \u00c3\u00bcber das gesamte iso bringt auch nix\n#ubuntu-de 2012-08-05\n welche version hast du denn? da steht auch (gilt nicht f\u00c3\u00bcr Lucid).\n die neueste... irgendwas mit p\n frisch runtergeladen\n fenris: Dann suche mal ohne .exe, am besten nur nach creator. z.b. locate findet das dann.\n ich hab unter windows kein locate, und ich hab einfach nur nach *usb* und *creator*\n gesucht\n fenris: Hast du nur das image oder schon die cd gebrannt?\n ich kann die cd nicht brennen, deswegen will ich ja ein usb image bauen...\n fenris: Ich nutze kein windows, hast du das schon probiert? http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows\n Title: Create a USB stick on Windows | Ubuntu (at www.ubuntu.com)\n * beaver74 hat usb-creator auch auf aktueller 12.04 gesucht, und nicht gefunden\n -,\n ich habs jetzt mit nem anderen tool gemacht\n aaaaber\n wie bitte mach ich mit diesem \u00c2\u00a7$%\u00c2\u00a7$&$%/& unity ne console auf!?\n args ich habs... aber ich glaub nicht dass ich dieses unity mag\n hehe, da bist du nicht der erste :) zum gl\u00c3\u00bcck gibt es kubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu und man kann vermutlich auch was an diesem gnome-unity muell basteln, aber das fasse ich nicht freiwillig an :)\n eventuell sind am tage die vielen gnome-fan-boys hier und k\u00c3\u00b6nnen dir tips geben.\n das darfst doch aber nicht hier so deutlich sagen .. sonst r\u00c3\u00bcckten dir hier noch der jokrebel zu Leibe und reibt sich tagelang daran\n beaver74: ach ist die wahrheit verboten? ansonsten ist mir egal wer sich hier an was reibt, hat halt jeder seine vorlieben ;)\n ah? :) sehe ich auch so\n hi\n hi\n meine internetverbindung ist sehr langsam (nur unter ubuntu 12.04)\n woran k\u00c3\u00b6nnte es liegen?\n http://pastebin.com/rMf1mT9Q\n Title: arealifestyle@ubuntu-laptop:~$ lspci -nnk | grep -i net -A2 02:00.0 Ethernet co - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)\n langsame verbindung + verbindungsabbr\u00c3\u00bcche\n hi\n moin!\n welche ist die gnome 3 standardschrift?\n arealifestyle: _Die_ Standardschrift gibt es IMHO nicht. Vielleicht eine im Auslieferzustand voreingestellte; meinst Du die?\n arealifestyle, 'Cantarell' - laut dieser Seite http://gnomejournal.org/article/120/fonts-in-gnome-3-cantarell-tweaking-and-trailblazing\n Title: The GNOME Journal: Fonts in GNOME 3: Cantarell, Tweaking, and Trailblazing (at gnomejournal.org)\n wei\u00c3\u009f aber nicht ob ich damit richtig liege.. habe die Seite nur \u00c3\u00bcberflogen und nutze kein Gnome 3\n jokrebel: genau\n beaver74_: dankesch\u00c3\u00b6n\n wie gef\u00c3\u00a4hrlich ist es zus\u00c3\u00a4tzliche fremdquellen zu verwenden?\n Da akzeptierst alles, was dir $Fremquellenbetreiber an Software (auch \"Updates\" f\u00c3\u00bcr bestehende) unterjubelt. Den Rest kann man sich denken.\n locodir-user: hier darfst du deine Frage gerne stellen :)\n hallo alle zusammen, ich will kleine spiele wie secret maryo chronicles \u00c3\u00bcber ps3 controller spielen. Habe Ubuntu 12.04 und bin dieser anweisung gefolgt http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2yKiMxisM0 Qtsix installiert aber mein controller verbindet sich nicht mit dem computer. Hab schon ein Thema im Forum erstellt aber da wei\u00c3\u009f auch keiner so weiter\n Title: How to get QTSixA (PS3 Controller via Bluetooth) Working in Ubuntu 12.04 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)\n http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/ps3-controller-mit-ubuntu-verbinden/ hier ist das Forum\n Title: ps3 controller mit ubuntu verbinden \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Grafik, Tastatur und Maus \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Forum \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at forum.ubuntuusers.de)\n bin dann mal off wenn ihr etwas wisst einfach ins forum schreiben danke\n hallo leute\n hi\n nachdem ich mein tearingproblem bedeitigt habe (alle die das problem auch haben mit ner nvidia karte zu mir :D) wollte ich nun mein letztes angehen:\n mein subwoofer in meinem laptop geht nicht. alle m\u00c3\u00b6glichen wiki-forum-google einstellungen klappen nicht wirklich. hat wer eine idee?\n alsamixer\n guck mal da\n nvidia optimus?\n ich? tearing mit optimus? nein, kein optimus\n ok\n hast du ein tearingproblem?\n nein, nein, ich war nur neugierig ^^\n also ich hab den alsamixer mal angeschaut... aber irgendwie bringts auch nichts da die einstellungen zu machen\n master, headphon und speaker auf 00 ?\n ja\n dann wei\u00c3\u009f ich nicht =)\n :D\n ne idee wie ich das system dazu bringe meine standardausgabe zu speichern?\n standardausgabe von ?\n der stellt das immer auf HDMI nach einem neustart, so dass die lautst\u00c3\u00a4rkeregelung auch nichts bringt, da ich diese dann immer erst wieder umstellen muss\n nein :(\n immer diese spielchen wenn man sich ein neues notebook kauft :)\n welche marke?\n asus\n dont flame\n kaufentscheidend war die l\u00c3\u00bcfterlautst\u00c3\u00a4rke\n Wie hei\u00c3\u009ft die (Anfangs-) Konfigurationsdatei von Xchat-Gnome?\n ich h\u00c3\u00a4tte auch einen asus kaufen sollen\n wieso?\n haben halt nicht so die tollsten sub-komponenten\n acer ist nicht so toll\n naja, welche marke ist denn schon in allen aspekten gut?\n ich hab bald alles durch\n alienware f\u00c3\u00bcr 3000 \u00e2\u0082\u00ac :D\n :D\n dell ist ganz gut, aber manchmal wunder man sich auch bei denen \u00c3\u00bcber die komponentenauswahl, wenn man dann linux draufspielt\n bullgard6: xchat wird seit 2010 nicht mehr weiterentwickelt (gepflegt). Es gibt andere IRC-Clients die auch besser sind\n empathy oder weechat\n lenovo soll ganz gut sein\n arealifestyle: Empathy ist meines Erachtens kein besonders guter IRC-Client (aber hat andere hervorragende Eigenschaften). Weechat werde ich mir mal angucken.\n die chinesen :) aber nicht wenn man 2-3 spiele noch zocken m\u00c3\u00b6chte\n hier empfiehlt jemand pulseaudio zu deinstallieren... meint ihr das ist ne gute idee?\n OlMightyGreek: Im allgemeinen nicht. Im Spezielen kann das aber gut sein\n was bringt mir denn pulseaudio wenn ich auch ohne sound habe? mal stumpf gefragt\n OlMightyGreek: Wenn Du den Sound hast, den Du brauchst, dann ist alles ok, und Du brauchst nichts zu \u00c3\u00a4ndern.\n hab ich ja nicht. mein subwoofer spielt keinen sound (in einem notebook)\n OlMightyGreek: oO. Du hast Probleme. (Aus meiner Sicht ben\u00c3\u00b6tigt man keinen Subwoofer in einem Notebook.) Ich kann das physikalisch beurteilen.\n hm. \"cat /proc/asound/cards\" sagt ich habe einen intel hda chip, aber es ist ein VIA. kanns daran liegen?\n Hi ich habe eine frage wie kann ich denn ntfs partitionen beim start mounten ?\n OlMightyGreek: Ja.\n bullgard6: das ding nennt sich nur subwoofe, dass es kein echter ist, ist mir schon klar. dennoch klingt der ton damit besser. du brauchst auch keinen Ringfinger und keinen kleinen Finger zwingend. trotzdem benutzt du sie ja ab und an dann doch gerne\n wie kann ich dem system dann sagen was es f\u00c3\u00bcr einen chip intus hat?\n OlMightyGreek: Ich versteh Dich schon.\n m4j0r: wie beim start mounten?\n OlMightyGreek: Sagen? Du mu\u00c3\u009ft es doch fragen, oder nicht?\n arealifestyle, bei linux start mounten \n ich stehe grad auf dem schlauch. alsamixer sagt \"Ger\u00c3\u00a4t HDA Intel PCH, Chip VIA VT1802\". Was sagt mir das?\n dr\u00c3\u00bcck F6\n schau ob die richtige sound-karte ausgew\u00c3\u00a4hlt ist\n ja, es ist die richtige ausgew\u00c3\u00a4hlt\n er nennt das Ger\u00c3\u00a4t HDA Intel PCH\n seit wann verbaut intel chips von via? :D\n kann es einfach sein, dass alsa den chip VIA VT1802 noch nicht unterst\u00c3\u00bctzt?\n bei mir: Ger\u00c3\u00a4t: HDA Intel PCH, chip: Intel CougarPoint HDMI\n arealifestyle: das macht mehr sinn...\n vielleicht muss ich einfach mal irgendwelche aktuelleren alsa paketquellen einbinden (und somit mein system potentiell schrotten)\n arealifestyle: l\u00c3\u00a4uft das nicht \u00c3\u00bcber fstab oder gibt es das nen nettes tool was das macht \n m4j0r: das wei\u00c3\u009f ich nicht :)\n OlMightyGreek: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=740118\n Title: Bug 740118 No sound with VIA VT1802 codec (at bugzilla.novell.com)\n vllt findest du da was\n danke, lese das mal\n arealifestyle: was wie man ntfs partitionen beim systemstart mounuten kann oder ob es ein tool gibt ? :D \n ich verstehe ehrlich gesagt die frage nicht, ntfs beim systemstart mounten? Nach dem Systemstart kann man doch auf die ntfs partition zugreifen (wird automatisch \"gemounted\")\n Ja das weis ich ja aber ich wollte das das auftomatisch geht weil wenn ich musik h\u00c3\u00b6ren m\u00c3\u00b6chte muss ich immer erst auf die partition einmal zugreifen \n m4j0r: du musst einen eintrag in die fstab machen\n achso\n ansonsten musst du immer erst ein mal \"auf das symbol klicken\" :D\n ja und das ist nervig.. immer erst einmal daruaf zugreifen zu m\u00c3\u00bcssen ahh okay fstab das habe ich mir schon gedacht...\n holy cow there are many in there\n das wiki nach \"fstab\" und \"mount\" durchsuchen. das sollte dir helfen\n jupp habe ich danke :D \n oder nach \"ubuntu automount ntfs\" googlen :)\n meint ihr es w\u00c3\u00a4re einen versuch wert die ubuntu audio dev team ppa einzubunden und mal pulseaudio zu aktualisieren?\n wei\u00c3\u009f nicht, ich benutze ubuntu seit gestern :D\n :D stark\n und davr?\n vor langer zeit habe ich mal ubuntu 10.04 benutzt, dann auf arch umgestiegen\n jetzt haben die arch devs die installation ver\u00c3\u00a4ndert\n ich wollte es mir nicht antun\n hab mir arch auch mal angeguckt, damals aber zu wenig f\u00c3\u00a4higkeiten gehabt und mich dann doch wieder ubuntu zugewandt\n deswegen benutze ich wieder ubuntu\n Habe eine ssh Verbindung zu einem entfernten Rechner. Der hat keine Gui. Ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde aber gerne mit geany programmieren. Mit welchem Aufwand kann ich vom entferntem Rechner aus die Dateien editieren. Bzw. \u00c3\u00bcbertragen?\n dreamon_: bis ssh Verbindung konnte ich noch folgen.. :D\n ich versuch mal die ppa. bis denn :D\n dreamon_: du m\u00c3\u00b6chtest auf dem entfernten Rechner programmieren, ohne GUI?\n arch ist eigentlich ganz gut, aber ich hatte keine lust mich schon wieder mit der installation auseinander zu setzten\n dreamon_: Nano, Vi oder Vim nutzen\n vim ist doch grafisch\n dreamon_: oder z.B. per scp die Dateien auf den lokalen Rechner holen und bearbeiten\n fbausch, Rechner 1 Da l\u00c3\u00a4uft keine Gui. Auf dem soll das programm liegen. Rechner 2hat eine gui und verbindet zu Rechner 1 \u00c3\u00bcber ssh. Ich will auf Rechner 2 programmieren. Da gui vorhanden.\n dreamon_: wo sind die Rechner? beide im Heimnetzwerk?\n fbausch, Ja heimnetz.\n du k\u00c3\u00b6nntest dir \u00c3\u00bcber Samba einen Netzwerkordner anlegen (und nutzen)\n hi\n hai\n fbausch, Die Methode w\u00c3\u00a4re denkbar. W\u00c3\u00a4re die L\u00c3\u00b6sung die ich ganz am Schlu\u00c3\u009f verwenden w\u00c3\u00bcrde, wenn alle Stricke rei\u00c3\u009fen.\n sshfs gibts da doch glaub auch noch..\n jupp\n re\n stark.. das problem mit der lautst\u00c3\u00a4rkeregelung wurde durch pulseaudio neuinstallation behoben :D bleibt nur noch das subwoofer problem\n funktioniert die sound?\n ha :D\n das mit dem subwoofer nervt irgendwie dennoch. ich dachte heute habe ich etwas gl\u00c3\u00bcck beim l\u00c3\u00b6sen der kleinen problemchen :)\n well ich sowas finde: http://mailman.alsa-project.org/pipermail/alsa-devel/2011-March/037954.html\n Title: [alsa-devel] [PATCH 2/16] ALSA: VIA HDA: Add support for VT1802 (at mailman.alsa-project.org)\n was sagt mir das? da geht es ja laut titel um mein problem. aber ich verstehe nicht ob ich mit dieser \"Information\" etwas anfangen kann\n bye\n sshfs pi@192.168.0.110/ /home/dreamon/fusessh -> missing host .> see `sshfs -h' for usage (habe auf beiden Rechnern SSHFS installiert. ssh Verbindung kriege ich hin.\n Im Wiki steht -> Au\u00c3\u009ferdem muss der Benutzer, unter dem sshfs verwendet werden soll, als Mitglied der Gruppe fuse eingetragen werden. -> k\u00c3\u00b6nnte es daran liegen?\n missing host. Hei\u00c3\u009ft das das er den Server nicht findet? oder die Syntax von mir falsch ist?\n Habs im Griff -> sshfs -o reconnect,idmap=user pi@192.168.0.110:/ ~/fusessh\n Wie kann man pr\u00c3\u00bcfen ob ein Programm bereits l\u00c3\u00a4uft und wenn es nicht l\u00c3\u00a4uft, das es sich dann wieder startet. Gibt es da einen Befehl f\u00c3\u00bcr?\n dreamon_, wer suchet der findet ;)\n http://linuxaria.com/pills/check-program-running-bash?lang=en\n Title: \u00c2\u00bb Linuxaria Everything about GNU/Linux and Open source Check if program is already running with bash (at linuxaria.com)\n also if/else anweisung\n foo durch dein programm ersetzen\n subz3r0, H\u00c3\u00b6rt sich nicht schlecht an. Wie es das wenn ich es mit \"python ledtest.py\" gestartet habe.. mu\u00c3\u009f ich dann nach python oder nach ledtest suchen?\n bin ich \u00c3\u00bcberfragt. mache sowas auch eher selten.\n w\u00c3\u00bcrde mit ps x schauen was da steht und dann halt testen\n Er findet python. Habs getestet. Solange ich nicht mehrere Python programme starte sollte das gehen. Danke\n gern\n subz3r0, Cool geht -> if [ -z \"$(pgrep -f 'python /home/pi/ledtest3.py')\" ] -> option -f dann kannst alles angeben. Und auch die Abfrage funktioniert.\n supi :)\n so sollte es auch keine probs geben, wenn du andere .py startest :)\n hey\n Habe eine Datei aus der will ich den Wert t=xxxx raussuchen. Ich will am besten nur das xxxx bekommen. Die datei sieht so aus -> b5 01 4b 46 7f ff 0b 10 a3 t=27312. Es sollte quasi 27312 rauskommen.\n dreamon_: das ist jetzt deine chance dich in regexp einzuarbeiten\n ansonsten ##bash-de\n k1l_, regex ich dachte das mach ich mit wie sed oder so ?\n !grep > dreamon_ \n dreamon_: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/grep\n k1l_, grep hab ich versucht, da wirft er mir die ganze Zeile aus.\n dreamon_: ich antworte erst, wenn du die genannte seite gelesen hast\n !hwl\n !hcl\n !awk > dreamon_ \n subz3r0: HCL ist die Hardware Compatibility List. Siehe https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/ sowie http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Hardwaredatenbank\n http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/awk dreamon_ das wird dir auch helfen\n Title: awk \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n k1l_, hihi vorher hatte ich ein problem .. jetzt hab ich viel.. Aber ich lese weiter.\n k1l_, Darf ich resim\u00c3\u00bcren was ich verstanden habe. ich mache grep und suche nach t= dann nehm ich awk um den das zurecht zu schneiden?\n dreamon_: z.b.\n dreamon_: wenns in einer datei ist tut auch cut => cut -c 30- test \n wenn z.b. in der datei test die von dir oben genannte zeile steht wird das ausgegeben\n wenn in mehreren zeilen was steht, dann noch mit einer for schleife dr\u00c3\u00bcber gehen\n Da ich noch mehrere Dateinen durchwurschten werden mu\u00c3\u009f. w\u00c3\u00a4rs mir am liebsten wenn ich nur t= angebe und er wirf mir raus was dahinter steht. Sollen noch andere Variabeln ausgelesen werden. \n Ich schau mir gerade awk durch -> $2 == \"localhost\" { print $1 } Was macht denn dieser Befehl?\n k1l_, awk '/t=/ { print $10 }' w1_slave -> Damit Funktionierts. Auch wenn ich nicht wei\u00c3\u009f warum.. H\u00c3\u00b6lle..\n braucht man eigentlich synaptic?\n nein\n speichert ihr eure passw\u00c3\u00b6rter mit keepass?\n nein\n arealifestyle: wenn du kein konkretes problem hast, gehen solche fragen bitte nach #ubuntu-de-offtopic \n Wenn man PPAs hat ist synaptic sehr n\u00c3\u00bctzlich.\n danke\n ich habe ein problem, ich bekomme st\u00c3\u00a4ndig ein \"pop-up\" fenster mit \"Debconf-Communicator\"\n wie kann man das abstellen?\n !wf > arealifestyle \n arealifestyle: Um m\u00c3\u00b6glichst gute Hilfe zu bekommen, nenne bitte Folgendes beim Fragen: Was funktioniert nicht? Seit wann bzw. welchem Ereignis ist das so? Welche Programm-/Ubuntuversion wird verwendet? Gibt es Fehlermeldungen? Wenn ja, bitte nopasten, z.B. auf http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/\n hallo, habe eine frage.\n hallo, habe eine frage.\n Dann stell sie doch :)\n ok. wie kann ich sehen, welche programme beim systemstart gestartet werden? bei windows hei\u00c3\u009ft das autostart.\n ... und man kann das (unter win) mit bestimmten tools anzeigen und kontrollieren. das ganze hat was mit der registry zu tun, aber die gibt es ja unter linux nicht (oder???)\n Rechts oben auf das Zahnrad klicken, und dann auf \"Startup Applications\", spricht Startprogramme.\n ich hab xfce\n * xubuntu\n Und welches Ubuntu?\n ich hab xubuntu 12.04\n Guest21003: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Autostart\n Title: Autostart \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n danke\n und nochwas, das ist zwar nur eine lapalie, aber ist es normal, das bei xubuntu kein \"willkommens\"-sound kommt?\n wie auch immer, das autostartzeug hab ich gefunden.\n http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/XChat > Serverliste und Channel Desweiteren bestehen diverse Konfigurationsm\u00c3\u00b6glichkeiten, darunter automatisch zu betretende Channel. Wie stellt man automatisch zu betretende Channel bei XChat-Gnome 1:0.30.0 ein?\n Title: XChat \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n xchat-gnome ist der letzte Mist und nicht zu verwenden.\n also unter xfce funktionierts klasse :)\n warum ist da immer so ein roter strich\n sdx23: Gilt dasselbe auch f\u00c3\u00bcr weechat?\n bullgard6: Wieso sollte es?\n xchat-gnome ist eine kastrierte Version von xchat, es gibt kaum sinnvolle Gr\u00c3\u00bcnde, das verwenden zu wollen.\n sdx23: Verstanden.\n roter strich = Markierungslinie\n entweder strg+M oder \"fenster - markierungslinie zur\u00c3\u00bccksetzen\"\n anyway.. .gotta go. good luck\n moin, ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte f\u00c3\u00bcr den NetworkManager ein dispatcher script schreiben h\u00c3\u00a4nge jedoch, es soll mir eine aktion mit notify-send anzeigen das passiert jedoch nicht auch nicht wenn ich $DISPLAY setze, testweise ein ton mit aplay abspielen tut\n weil root keine Xauthority hat, ja.\n wie kann ich das dan l\u00c3\u00b6sen?\n hallo leute\n mal wieder ne frage: was muss ich beachten wenn ich eine platte mit ubuntu auf eine andere klone und in einen baugleichen pc setze, der aber im gleichen netzwerk arbeiten soll? ich muss ja mindestens die ip, den netzwerknamen und den rechnernamen \u00c3\u00a4ndern. noch was?\n OlMightyGreek: Die IP-Adresse nur dann, wenn Du feste Ip-Adressen verwendest.\n OlMightyGreek: Den Netzwerknamen nur dann, wenn Du dann in einem anderen Netzerk bist und der Router ihn nicht zuteilt..\n Ich meine die Computerbezeichnung oder was jetzt der richtige Terminus ist... der Name, der im Netzwerk angezeigt wird. und dann noch der name, der im terminal immer vor dem \"~ $\" steht\n hostname\n das :D\n kann ich den \u00c3\u00a4ndern?\n Ja.\n Mit dem Befehl \"hostname\" :)\n :D ich schaus im wiki nach?\n ah\n hostname --help\n Nein.\n \"man hostname\" :)\n ich hasse \"man\" :D ich liebe wiki\n ist das kompliziert? also sollte ich lieber neu installieren oder geht das ohne probleme?\n \"man hostname\" lesen.\n hm.\n wenn du keine man pages magst, dann such doch einfach \"ubuntu +hostname +\u00c3\u00a4ndern\" etc pp...\n http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Rechnername?highlight=hostname#Terminal\n Title: Rechnername \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n reicht das?\n gibt sicherlich zieg howtos\n meine frage war eher ob ich da noch irgwendwas beachten muss mit den uuids oder sowas.\n N\u00c3\u00b6.\n ok\n UUIDs haben nichts mit dem Hostnamen zu tun.\n hier noch nen tut... http://akaul.net/rechnernamen-hostname-andern-bei-ubuntu-10-04/\n Title: Rechnernamen / Hostname \u00c3\u00a4ndern bei Ubuntu 10.04 \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Andreas Kaul (at akaul.net)\n danke\n hallo, ich hab mir gerade ubuntu tweaks heruntergeladen, aber ich wei\u00c3\u009f nicht wie ich es installieren soll, irgendjemand anderes hat das eventuell auch, und wei\u00c3\u009f was man machen muss ?http ://ubuntu-tweak.com/\n Allstar, steht das nicht in der README?\n habs noch nie genutzt\n ich hab nach einen Readme gesucht, aber ich habe leider keines gefunden, die webseite find ich jetzt auchn icht sonderlich informativ diesbez\u00c3\u00bcglich\n ach das nen .deb\n dpkg -i blabla.deb\n leider nicht\n doppeltklick sollte auch gehen, dann \u00c3\u00b6ffnet sich das softwarecenter\n ist die version die man downloaden kann nicht nur f\u00c3\u00bcr 11.04 ?\n \"doppelklick\"\n hab ich ned checked. mom\n \"leider nicht\" heisst?\n WAs passiert bei dpkg -i dateiname.deb ?\n bekks, ich habe keine dpkg ich habe die version f\u00c3\u00bcr 12.04 glaube ich\n moment\n Dann hast Du kein Ubuntu.\n Auf jedem Ubuntu ist ein dpkg.\n okay, ich denke das war mein fehler ^^ doch wohl ein glass wein zuviel :) \n bekks; ist das ubuntu tweak nicht auch in den repos? (drittanbieter)\n Nein, ist es nicht.\n nur zur erkl\u00c3\u00a4rung das ihr euch nicht den kopf zerbrecht\n ich hab kubuntu installiert, aber nur die desktop version nicht full... dann hab ich \u00c3\u00bcber apt-get gnome nachinstalliert :)\n also software center hab ich nicht X)\n Und?\n stimmt ist eigentlich unwichtig :)\n Das software-center braucht man auch nicht, da man synaptic installieren kann, oder das Pendant unter KDE nutzen kann, Muon.\n aber man kann unter kubuntu doch auch das software center verwenden\n Ja, kann man, wenn man m\u00c3\u00b6chte, und wenn man es installiert hat.\n frage ist nur, wieso du kein dpkg dabei hast?!\n oder hab ich nu was missverstanden?\n ich glaube ich habe die version 7.0.2 geladen\n das ist keine dpkg :)\n Allstar: Dann zeig uns bitte mal die Ausgabe von lsb_release -sc\n 7.0.2?\n du meinst v0.7.2 von dem ubuntu tweak?\n kannst du mir erkll\u00c3\u00a4ren was der befehl bewirkt ?\n Er wirft die Bezeichnung des Ubuntu aus.\n okay, problem gel\u00c3\u00b6st lol :) doppelklick hat den archivmanager gestartet :)\n archivemanager?\n Und Der Archivmanager l\u00c3\u00b6st das Problem nicht.\n Allstar: Was ist die Ausgabe von lsb_release -sc ?\n nein, der archivmanager nicht, aber der war als standard anwendung eingestellt\n terminal --> lsb_release -sc\n es funktioniert jetzt, vielen dank f\u00c3\u00bcr euern schnellen support\n \u00c3\u00b6hh ja... gern... :)\n lol :)\n Allstar: Und was ist nun die Ausgabe von lsb_release -sc ?\n erm... gib mir mal ne sekunde :)\n im terminal eingeben.... gelll? :)\n in der zwischenzeit f\u00c3\u00bcr die wartezeit :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkJK2KVFsi0\n Title: Florence + The Machine - Only If For A Night (Ceremonials) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)\n ^^\n !ot > Allstar \n Allstar: Dies ist ein Ubuntu-Supportchannel! Fuer Offtopic- und Stammtischgespraeche bitte #ubuntu-de-offtopic nutzen. Danke! ;)\n Wie kann man Links in einer F1 virtuellen Konsole aus Weechat nach Gui F7 kopieren um diese dann im Chromium zu \u00c3\u00b6ffnen?\n ben1u: Garnicht.\n precise\n bekks: hmm, das ist ja \u00c3\u00bcbel. Gibt es da gar keine M\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit ein youtube Link zu \u00c3\u00b6ffnen?\n ben1u: Doch. Abschreiben.\n Es gibt nur keine M\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit den aus einer Konsole nach X zu kopieren.\n wieso das?\n Weil niemand diese M\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit bisher geschaffen hat.\n wie \u00c3\u00b6ffnen dann die normalen Weechat User Ihre youtube Links die sie in einem Chatraum sehen?\n Allstar: wenn du precise drauf hast, dann solltest auch dpgk installiert sein\n sollte\n subz3r0 ich habs jetzt glaube ich hinbekommen :)\n ben1u: Sie lassen weechat in einem Terminal und nicht in einer Konsole laufen.\n ah vielleicht per mplayer?\n du weisst, dass du den command im terminal eingeben musst?\n Wie unterbinde ich das bei diesem Befehl -> if [ -z \"$(pgrep -f 'python /home/pi/ledtest3.py')\" ] die ProcessID auch im bash Fenster ausgegeben wird?\n nur noch eine frage: wenn kein .themes order vorhanden ist, kann ich den einfach erstellen richtig ?\n und vorher in den ordner wechseln, wo du das .deb file hingepackt hast\n ben1u: Nein, einfach weechat in einem Terminal betreiben und nicht in einer Konsole.\n Allstar, ja. \n okay, danke.\n super, hat geklappt :)\n kann ich GTK3 engine Unico auch unter ubuntu nutzen ?\n weil google spuckt dazu nur fedora aus... :)\n super bye :)\n muss ich chsh nutzen um im Terminal weechat eines anderen Nutzers zu starten?\n Nein.\n sudo su user2 - \n Und dann weechat starten.\n und das \"-\" auch angeben?\n Ja.\n wozu?\n Damit das Environment des zweiten Users benutzt wird.\n manchmal ist Linux seltsam :D\n aber warum su dazwischen? Geht das nicht nur mit sudo?\n Nein. Das geht nicht nur mit sudo.\n hmm, okay.\n ah das environment ist das Homeverzeichnis von user2\n Nein :)\n Das Environment sind die Umgebungsvariablen des Users.\n geht bei mir aber auch ohne -\n Dann werden aber nicht die Umgebungsvariablen der Loginshell von User2 gesetzt.\n<[Linuxfan]> vsftp wie kann man das abstellen das man internet, das mit sich nicht mit root einloggen sondern ein normaler benutzer ( root soll gespeert werden ) n\n Woran k\u00c3\u00b6nnte das liegen das -> echo -e \"1\\r\" wenn ich es direkt in der CLI eingebe funktioniert. und wenn ich es in einem Script aufrufe. dann zeigt er als Ausgabe \"-e 1\" an. Er ignoriert das -e\n seit einigen Tagen l\u00c3\u00a4dt der indicator-weather keine Daten mehr aus dem Netz. Ist das schon bekannt?\n ah https://bugs.launchpad.net/weather-indicator/+bug/964365\n Title: Bug #964365 \u00e2\u0080\u009cWeather indicator as earthtools.org is down\u00e2\u0080\u009d : Bugs : Weather Indicator (at bugs.launchpad.net)\n#ubuntu-de 2013-07-29\n Kann ich feststellen, ob ich ich meinen Rechner gerade aus dem Standby geholt habe, oder ob er die ganze nach an war?\n joa\n Guck mal im syslog\n logs?\n oder in einem der pm logs\n ok, thx. Da ist ne L\u00c3\u00bccke von 20:00 bis 10:00\n Dann war er wohl aus/im Standby\n bei der gelegenheit f\u00c3\u00a4llt mir ein, dass mein netbook sich nicht hibernieren l\u00c3\u00a4sst. warum braucht es daf\u00c3\u00bcr spezielle hardware?\n Braucht man im Allgemeinen nicht, nur die passenden Einstellungen f\u00c3\u00bcr die Hardware\n im bios ist da nichts.\n Muss auch nicht, aber pm-utils muss richtig eingestellt werden\n http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/pm-utils\n Title: pm-utils \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n man braucht a spezielle hardware in diesem sinne als dass zuf\u00c3\u00a4lligerweise da der ganze ACPI-krempel funktioniert :)\n hmjo, aber keine spezielle Hibernate-Hardware\n jo :)\n suspend und hibernate werden als supported angezeigt\n Schon mal gut.\n Ich frage mich, warum die swap partition benutzt werden kann. wenn ich ein paar ein programm starte, dass viel hauptspeicher zieht, so dass andere ausgelagert werden, sind doch die ausgelagerten daten f\u00c3\u00bcr das system wichtig.\n kommt zwar nie vor, k\u00c3\u00b6nnte aber\n warum?\n man kann doch genau zuordnen welche daten zu welchem prozess geh\u00c3\u00b6ren.\n und der prozess der gerade am wenigsten vorne in der rpiorit\u00c3\u00a4t ist, wird eben ausgelagert.\n LetoThe2nd, aber es m\u00c3\u00bcsste auf swap noch genug platz frei sein, um den relevanten hauptspeicher zu schreiben.\n exoon: klar, wenn sowohl swap als auch ram voll sind, dann krachts.\n LetoThe2nd, genau, das meine ich.\n dann schl\u00c3\u00a4gt der OOM-Killer zu\n d\u00c3\u00bcrfte aber nicht oft vorkommen.\n exoon, daf\u00c3\u00bcr gibt es dann die Variante mit STD auf eine separate Partition\n geser: oder der neue gew\u00c3\u00bcnschte prozess wird einfach gar nicht erst gestartet\n hmm, meine swap partition hat id 83 statt 82. sowas\n exoon: who cares ausser msdos fdisk?\n LetoThe2nd, den hier z.B.: sudo fdisk -l | grep Swap | awk '{print $1}' \n aber die uuid ist auch in de fstab\n exoon: es wird dir angezeigt, aber dem system ist die id ziemlich sonstwas\n es war tats\u00c3\u00a4chlich noch die falsche uuid der swap partition. jetzt geht es.\n die uuid hat sich mit der neuen ssd ge\u00c3\u00a4ndert und mit der alten platte hatte ich nie interesse hibernate auszuprobieren.\n UUID muss sich ja auch \u00c3\u00a4ndern, sonst w\u00c3\u00a4r sie ja nicht U\n thx\n :)\n Also, UU\n wenn der tag schonmal so gut startet k\u00c3\u00b6nnte ich mich auch um die display helligkeit k\u00c3\u00bcmmern. die l\u00c3\u00a4sst sich seit einem halben jahr nicht mehr verstellen.\n meistens auch nur Parameterkrams.\n https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1091456\n Title: Bug #1091456 \u00e2\u0080\u009cBacklightlevel not changeable with Kernel 3.2.0-34...\u00e2\u0080\u009d : Bugs : \u00e2\u0080\u009clinux\u00e2\u0080\u009d package : Ubuntu (at bugs.launchpad.net)\n ich hoffe nicht mehr auf eine l\u00c3\u00b6sung.\n die fn-keys funktinieren und es wird ein balken gezeigt, aber die helligkeit \u00c3\u00a4ndert sich nicht.\n Mein Laptop mit 12.04 macht das super, so generell kann das also nicht sein.\n L\u00c3\u00a4stig ist, dass ich das Netbook immer mit netzkabel starten muss, weil sonst die helligkeit zu dunkel ist. ich halte es dann immer auf standby (jetzt hibernate) damit es hell bleibt.\n es ging immer bis kernel 3.2.0-34-generic \n \"acpi_backlight=vendor\" probiert?\n dadrc, das hier? acpi_backlight=vendor\n Reboot with kernel parameter acpi_backlight=vendor : ?\n In die Grubconfig damit, update-grub, reboot, ja.\n Also, zu GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=\"[...]\"\n kannst es ja auch erst von hand probieren\n Kannste och, jo\n einfach im bootmen\u00c3\u00bc mit e als parameter einf\u00c3\u00bcgen, oder?\n yep\n ich liebe das us layout\n die tastatur geht nicht mehr, sonst hat sich nichts ge\u00c3\u00a4ndert.\n ^^\"\n /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight existiert\n mit diesem untrusted ppa https://launchpad.net/~voria/+archive/ppa eines useres der als icon \"Bender\" benutzt funktioniert die Hintergrundbeleuchtung wieder.\n Title: Linux On My Samsung : Fortunato Ventre (at launchpad.net)\n hauptsache es geht.\n welche m\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit gibt es denn den inhat in /mnt/blaa in home/user/bilder/ darzustellen ?\n dayler, soft-link setzen .. siehe 'man ln'\n dayler, unter Windows w\u00c3\u00a4re es eine Verkn\u00c3\u00bcpfung\n .. grob jedenfalls\n na gut das geht dann auch mit rechtsklick, so viele optionen hat das ja nicht\n muss mal schauen was sym und hard links sind\n ach ich peils nicht, /home/bilder soll den realen pfad in /mnt/bilder haben :/\n Dann musst du /home//bilder entfernen, danach `ln -s /mnt/bilder /home//bilder`\n dayler http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/ln\n Title: ln \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n Und denk dran, dass Linux Gro\u00c3\u009f- und Kleinschreibung unterscheidet.\n ok thx\n tach\n hey ich bins wieder,... das mit den symbolischen links hab ich lieber mit mount --bind gel\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009ft, der ubuntusers eintrag war klasse! Jedoch wenn ich das mount --bind in rc.local eintrage wird es nicht ausgef\u00c3\u00bchrt... d.h. wei\u00c3\u009f einer wie ich erreichen kann, das nach dem login ein script mit root ausgef\u00c3\u00bchrt wird ?\n rc.local ist f\u00c3\u00bcr den generellen startup, nicht f\u00c3\u00bcrs login\n aber wenn du das eh \u00c3\u00bcber mount machen willst, dann w\u00c3\u00a4re /etc/fstab eh geeigneter\n na gut ich schau mal\n meld mich falls was schief geht :P\n kurze frage, ob ich richtig liege: Ich suche nach dem passwort einer festplatte (luks) und muss eine anzahl von kombinationen durchprobieren (hoffnung). Ich habe von der platte ein header-backup gemacht und einen restore auf ein test.img. Wenn ich dieses image wird jetzt als luksPartition erkannt und hat den gleichen dump. Ich kann doch jetzt die Harddisk abklemmen und mit diesem Image arbeiten und die Passw\u00c3\u00b6rter durchtesten, richtig? \n Sollte gehen, ja\n k\u00c3\u00b6nnte ich es auch beschleunigen, weil cryptSetup braucht pro passwort ca. 1-2 Sekunden. K\u00c3\u00bcnstliche Bremse?\n klar, schreib ien systematisch forkendes c-programm das driekt auf das api aufsetzt\n ;), klar\n dann soll er lieber ne woche laufen.\n _du_ hast gefragt\n hallo, ist es m\u00c3\u00b6glich neben xubuntu, lubuntu zu installieren?\n jules_, auf verschiedenen Partitionen? warum nicht?\n auf einer \n jules_, einer platte?\n d.h. xubuntu, und lxde (umgebung)\n achso so :)\n kannst doch beides installieren, wei\u00c3\u009f aber nicht ob es f\u00c3\u00bcr beides pakete gibt.\n beim anmelden kannst du die Sitzung w\u00c3\u00a4hlen.\n das meine ich\n jules_: lubuntu-desktop installieren\n !lubuntu\n k1l: Informationen zu Lubuntu finden sich im Wiki unter http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Lubuntu\n siehe ^\n ich installiere gerade \u00c3\u00bcber software-verwaltung, mal schauen ob ich die sitzungen w\u00c3\u00a4hlen kann..\n jules_: das kannst du dann am login screen w\u00c3\u00a4hlen\n ja danke\n hi, jemand hier der mir mit meinem testserver helfen kann?\n kitikonti: depends.\n kitikonti: aber wenn du schon so fragst, einfach mal kurz lsb_release -a des servers in ein pastebin legen f\u00c3\u00bcr uns, und dann einfach die frage stellen.\n LetoThe2nd, das ist mir schon zu hoch\n ich bin ganz neu bei linux\n mach das eben nur als \u00c3\u00bcbung\n kitikonti: was ein pastebin ist, kann man googlen\n das kenn ich \n abern des lsb...\n kitikonti: und den befehl \"lsb_release -a\" in ein terminal eintippen, sollte auch machbar sein.\n kitikonti: wenn es das nicht ist, sorry, dann halt ich mich raus.\n ahh ja ok das geht \n daurt nur ganz kurz\n kitikonti: und wenn du schon dabei bist, leg doch bitte ein \"uname -a\" noch dazu :) danke\n http://pastebin.com/mBzUv2gt\n Title: No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID: Ubuntu Description: Ubuntu 12 - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)\n http://pastebin.com/5VscnF8F\n Title: Linux ip-10-34-247-157 3.2.0-40-virtual #64-Ubuntu SMP Mon Mar 25 21:42:18 UTC 2 - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)\n LetoThe2nd, so hat etwas gedauert, musste mich noch verbinden\n vorerst als info, ich habe eine instance bei amazon aws erstellt\n also ec2\n habe dort noch nichts gemacht auser apache2 mysql php und phpmyadmin installiert, inkl ein paar php erweiterungen\n kitikonti: danke\n mein problem ist nun das ich wenn ich meineip/phpmyadmin eintippe eine leere datei downloade anstatt die index.php von phpmyadmin zu \u00c3\u00b6ffnen\n aja um \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt meineip/phpmyadmin machen zu k\u00c3\u00b6nnen habe ich noch so einen blindlink in das /var/www verzeichnis von phpmyadmin gemacht\n wenn ich meineip/phpmyadmin/index.php manuell eintippe komm ich zur loginseite\n kitikonti: ist leider absolut nicht mein gebiet, apache und so\n schade\n kitikonti: also das basisproblem ist, dass die index datei im unterverzeichnis ist, nicht im /var/Www, oder wie?\n kitikonti: AFAIK k\u00c3\u00b6nnen da einige sachen mitspielen (rechte, ob links ausgewertet werden, etc.), deswegen bin ich eben bei apache nicht ganz der richtige.\n \u00c3\u00a4hhhm stopp, ich merk gerade das es bei mir zuhause klappt\n kitikonti: na dann :)\n bei mir in der arbeit aber nicht gg\n ok... sorry, da bin ich dann endg\u00c3\u00bcltig \u00c3\u00bcberfragt\n gibt es ein toll um zu \u00c3\u00bcberpr\u00c3\u00bcfen welche sicherheitsl\u00c3\u00bccken mein server noch hat\n kitikonti: solche tools bringen rein gar nichts, wenn man nicht das n\u00c3\u00b6tige hintergrundwissen hat um die ausgaben entsprechend zu interpretieren...\n kitikonti: hangel dich lieber mal durch http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Sicherheit und lies dichein wenig in die grundlagen ein\n Title: Sicherheit \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n LetoThe2nd, bin schon dabei\n und da https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/index.html\n Title: Ubuntu Server Guide (at help.ubuntu.com)\n habe ein script das sich aus dem /tmp verzeichnis starten l\u00c3\u00a4sst (sudo php ./testpwd.php) aber (sudo php ./testpwd.php &> result.txt) ergibt \"bash: result.txt: Keine Berechtigung\" warum das?\n exoon: tippe mal \"mount\" und begutachte die mountoptionen von /tmp\n da wird h\u00c3\u00b6chstwahrscheinlich \"noexec\" auftauchen\n tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,nosuid)\n exec geht ja\n nur die weiterleitung in das textfile nicht\n achso, hab ich \u00c3\u00bcberlesen\n dann stimmen die verzeichnisrechte einfach nicht\n die umleitung wird als normaler user ohne rootrechte durchgef\u00c3\u00bchrt\n genaugenommen fragt das skript beim start noch nach drei zeichenketten, die ich nicht gespeichert haben m\u00c3\u00b6chte.\n ach die umleitung ist nicht sudo?\n nein\n du kannst das sonst so machen: sudo bash -c 'blablub > asd.txt\" \n wei\u00c3\u009f gerade nicht, ob das der eleganteste weg ist - es gibt viele\n das zweite anf\u00c3\u00bchrungszeichen sollte nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich auch ' sein\n ppq, jetzt geht es. Ich war nicht direkt in /tmp sondern in einem unterverzeichnis \n ok\n dachte nicht das > mit user rechten l\u00c3\u00a4uft\n thx\n so nun noch eine frage, ich habe gerade die ersten drei befehle auf der seite ausgef\u00c3\u00bchrt https://drupal.org/node/1248790\n Title: Installing/Upgrading Drush on Ubuntu | drupal.org (at drupal.org)\n nun habe ich aber weiter unten gelesen das ich es unter ubuntu viel einfach installieren kann.\n wie bringe ich nun das vorherige ding wieder weg\n hi\n kann mir wer sagen, wie ich via konsole von 12.04 auf 12.04.2 updaten kann?\n sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade\n das hab ich gemacht. aber sollte da dann nicht auch automatisch der kernel auf 3.5.x upgedated werden?\n Nein.\n https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack\n Das muss man manuell mit apt-get install ansto\u00c3\u009fen.\n Title: Kernel/LTSEnablementStack - Ubuntu Wiki (at wiki.ubuntu.com)\n ah, super\n danke sch\u00c3\u00b6n\n bekomme ich dann mit dist-upgrade dann auch zuk\u00c3\u00bcnftige updates f\u00c3\u00bcr den 3.5er kernel, wenn ich den kernel jetzt wie beschrieben von 3.2.x auf 3.5.x update?\n ich mein, rafft das apt, wenn jetzt der 3.5er kernel installiert ist\n Michael123: jo, kriegst die updates f\u00c3\u00bcr den 3.5er\n alles klar\n Hallo zusammen\n Ich stehe vor einem Entscheidungsproblem und erbitte einen Rat. \n einfach fragen\n Ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte von Windows 7 zu Ubuntu migrieren. Ich ben\u00c3\u00b6tige mein Produktivsystem f\u00c3\u00bcrs Studium, es sollte also halbwegs stabil laufen und wenig Zeitaufwand zur Administration ben\u00c3\u00b6tigen. Also w\u00c3\u00a4re ich wohl der ideale Kandidat f\u00c3\u00bcr die LTS. Da habe ich aber das kleine Problem, das ich gerne etwas aktuelle Software nutzen (LibreOffice, TeX, NVIDIA-Treiber, Inkscape) m\u00c3\u00b6chte - was mit der LTS nicht vereinbar ist. \n Ich habe die aktuellste Version getestet - Kernel 3.8 l\u00c3\u00a4uft mit meiner Hardware-Konstellation nicht und produziert core dumps ab start von der live-cd\n 3.2 l\u00c3\u00a4uft, 3.5 ebenfalls\n Das ist mit der LTS alles sehr wohl vereinbar.\n \u00c3\u009cber Backports, richtig?\n N\u00c3\u00b6, \u00c3\u00bcber PPA.\n In der Thematik bin ich nicht ganz so firm, offen gesagt - mein letztes Produktivsystem war Dapper - da war irgendwie alles einfacher als heute ;-)\n Es hat sich seit Dapper genau nichts am Paketmanagementsystem ge\u00c3\u00a4ndert.\n Das mag sein - nur beisst sich das nicht, wenn ich LTS mittels Drittquellen versorge und irgendwann, meinetwegen 2017 meine, auf die n\u00c3\u00a4chste LTS upgraden zu wollen?\n Ja, 2017 deinstallierst du die Pakete aus PPA wieder, machst das Update auf 14.04 und dann auf 16.04, etc.\n Was die Wahl der PPAs betrifft, kann ich beruhigt das Wiki zu Rate ziehen?\n Offen gesagt, will ich dauerhaft zu Linux - ich nutze 90% meiner Anwendungen mittels Behelfsl\u00c3\u00b6sungen wie cgywin und co aktuell unter Win 7 - das ist kein annehmbarer zustand. \n Ich bin da nur so ein wenig \"perfektionistisch\" - wenn ich wechsle, will ich 100% sichergehen - es ist ne Menge Arbeit, sein Produktivsystem neu einzurichten\n braier_: Wie w\u00c3\u00a4r es etwas weniger brachial erstmal mit nem Dualboot-System?\n Da ist meine prim\u00c3\u00a4re - SSD die Bremse - 128 GB, dann ist Schluss\n Dazu kommt, das Hauptfilesystem soll ext4 werden - f\u00c3\u00bcr Windows w\u00c3\u00a4re das nur \u00c3\u00bcber Umwege erreichbar\n Also auf der Sekund\u00c3\u00a4ren Daten-Platte\n Und wieso reicchen 128GB nicht f\u00c3\u00bcr ein Dualboot?\n Windows 7 kommt mit 40GB aus, Ubuntu mit 20.\n Ok, bez\u00c3\u00bcglich der PPAs h\u00c3\u00a4tte ich eine Frage noch, ist Euch eine PPA bekannt, welche aktuellere NVIDIA-Treiber anbietet?\n Und Daten speichert man nicht auf einer SSD, sondern auf einer Datenplatte.\n braier_: Ja.\n braier_: Ein Produktivsystem ist \u00c3\u00bcbrigens in 6 Stunden fertig eingerichtet, wenn man vorher weiss, was man eigentlich will.\n Da sprichst Du genau mein Problem an ;-)\n * jokrebel hat sogar auf ner 110GB-Platte Dualboot\n So ist es aktuell - bin ne weile aus der Thematik raus, sehe das sich viel getan hat, momentan wahnsinnige Debatten \u00c3\u00bcber das beste Desktop-Environment gef\u00c3\u00bchrt werden - das alles macht die Entscheidung nicht leichter. \n Windows 8 hat schon dazu beigetragen, mich f\u00c3\u00bcr Linux zu entscheiden\n bekks, kannst Du mir die PPA evtl. benennen?\n Das spielt alle keine Rolle. Wenn man sich entschieden hat, dauert das Eintippen von sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop z.B. wenige Sekunden.\n braier_: Das PPA heisst x-swat\n Das kenne ich, bietet aber aktuell doch nur die 304 an, oder? Ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde gerne die 325.xx nutzen, wenn m\u00c3\u00b6glich\n Warum?\n Die 3D-Beschleunigung erscheint mir (subjektiv) besser, nach einem Test mit einem Spiel unter Wine\n LOL\n 3D Beschleunigung und Wine in einem Satz. :)\n Sorry, aber das kann nur subjektiv sein.\n Und ansonsten kannst du dir auch das xorg-edgers PPA angucken.\n Wenn Dir durch ein PPA allerdings dein X um die Ohren fliegt, habe ich Dich hiermit vorher offziell gewarnt :)\n :D\n Ok, ich danke Dir f\u00c3\u00bcr Deine Unterst\u00c3\u00bctzung. \n W\u00c3\u00bcnsche noch einen sch\u00c3\u00b6nen Abend und werde mich abschlie\u00c3\u009fend entscheiden ;-)\n hi\n ich habe hier 12.04.2 mit KDE. Kopete verbindet sich nicht mit openfire. dazu habe ich einen bug gefunden: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl/+bug/1022167\n Title: Bug #1022167 \u00e2\u0080\u009cGoogle talk plugin not working in kopete and kadu ...\u00e2\u0080\u009d : Bugs : \u00e2\u0080\u009copenssl\u00e2\u0080\u009d package : Ubuntu (at bugs.launchpad.net)\n kann es sein, dass das in 12.04.2 noch nicht gefixed wurde? hat noch jemand das problem, dass die verbindung zu openfire nicht klappt?\n hjjg: scroll mal runter bei deinem link, sieht unfixed aus\n zumindest haben andere damit auch noch probleme\n fwiw, mit openfire hatte ich auch immer wieder probleme, bis ichs gedroppt hab\n apollo13: andere clients funktionieren. das scheint ja auch ein ssl-problem zu sein. \n hjjg: vlt hast auch nur nen falschen auth mechanism\n apollo13: ich habe beide varianten gepr\u00c3\u00bcft\n schau dir mal den xml stream an falls kopete dir den irgendwie anzeigt\n beide? jabber hat tendentiell gegen unendlich viele^^\n ich hatte aber mit kopete in der firma auch gerade probleme, account ein paar mal l\u00c3\u00b6schen und dann gings^^\n apollo13: ssl passiert doch vor authentifizierung und allem\n hjjg: also grunds\u00c3\u00a4tzlich verwendet man heutzutage starttls\n und da hast zuerst mal normale kommunikation\n apollo13: naja, ich habe das probiert, was kopete mir an optionen bietet\n ich versuche es mal mit 13.04\n bis demn\u00c3\u00a4chst\n Abend\n moin\n#ubuntu-de 2013-07-30\n hat jemand ne idee wie ich mein desktop-environment mit optirun starten kann ?\n also dem bumblebee treiber\n gleich wieder da\n optirun f\u00c3\u00bcrs DE? Dann kannst du auch gleich nur den nvidia-Treiber nehmen\n hi\n kann mir jemand sagen wie gross das rootfs fuer eine mythbuntu installation sein sollte?\n hier gibts Antworten :D\n ulmer1: lol xD\n wie gross sind nochmal 8gb ram? 8192mb?\n lux3: f\u00c3\u00bcr weitere mythbuntu fragen bitte die jungs driekt fragen, oder zumindest #ubuntu-de-offtopic\n lux3: aber normalerweise sind 15-20GB rootfs ok\n LetoThe2nd: hab jetyt mal 30gb gemacht, die mysql db koennte vielleicht noch etwas platz brauchen\n jetzt*\n in ubuntu-mythtv hab ich schon gefragt da kommt keine antwort, und da mythbuntu ziemlich nahe an ubuntu ist dachte ich ich kann hier fragen\n lux3: leider neigen solche distributionen sehr dazu, in details sachen kaputt zufrickeln, und wir suchen uns dann hier nen wolf weil wirs auf roiginal ubuntus nicht nachvorllziehen k\u00c3\u00b6nnen\n lux3: wie gesagt, deswegen bitte in zukunft jeweils den support des entsprechenden derivates bem\u00c3\u00bchen. :)\n hm hoffentlich bekomm ich mit mythbuntu keine probleme, das waere dann wirklich unpraktisch\n lux3: oder eben in #ubuntu-de-offtopic, da ist das alles auch kein problem.\n warum nicht ubuntu und den Rest nachinstallieren?\n ulmer1: ja das waer ne moeglichkeit. aber mythbuntu wurde mir halt empfohlen und es soll wohl ziemlich nahe an ubuntu sein und sich wohl auch die repos weitestgehend damit teilen\n afaik sind nur die mythtv versionen in nem extra repo, bin mir allerdings nicht sicher\n soweit ich wei\u00c3\u009f, kann man bei Ubuntu den ganzen Zeugs nachinstallieren oder erweitern per ppa' Sicherheitsl\u00c3\u00bccken\n jo aber dann kann ich ja gleich mythbuntu nehmen wenn ich dann eh andere repos einbinden muss?\n wir hatten das thema schon wirklich viel zu oft, ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte es bitte nicht wieder aufrollen.\n hm ich frag mich welches anwendungsgebiet ich bei der mythbuntu install ausw\u00c3\u00a4hlen muss. ich will ein master backend+manchmal frontend. brauche ich da \"hintergrunddienst mit benutzeroberfl\u00c3\u00a4che\" oder \"prim\u00c3\u00a4rer hintergrunddienst\"\n lux3: #ubuntu-de-offtopic, bitte. danke.\n jo, sry. bin schon weg\n :)\n auch eine M\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit :)\n LetoThe2nd: aber ubuntu spezifische fragen darf ich doch noch stellen oder?\n lux3: du kannst es mal probieren ;)\n br\u00c3\u00a4uchte dann n\u00c3\u00a4mlich noch hilfe mit upstart, ich muss einen dienst beenden bevor ich den computer in den standby versetze und danach wieder starten\n machen Mint's ja auch :D\n lux3: einigem ersten googlen nach musst du da rausfinden obs einen passenden event gibt und dann entsprechend reagieren... upstart selbst ist standy wohl egal.\n was nutzt ubuntu/xfce dann? pm-suspend?\n bei pm-suspend m\u00c3\u00bcsste mans wohl in ein script eintragen\n kein ahnung :P\n so , die installation beginnt. mal sehen wie sich mythbuntu auf der kiste macht\n LetoThe2nd: damit sollte es wohl gehen: http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=HOW-TO:Suspend_and_wake_in_Ubuntu#Fix_the_Lirc_Device_Increment_Bug\n Title: HOW-TO:Suspend and wake in Ubuntu - XBMC (at wiki.xbmc.org)\n hi\n hi ich versuche mit Gparted die Partition zu vergr\u00c3\u00bc\u00c3\u009fern, aber die Option ist nicht w\u00c3\u00a4hlbar\n vergr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fern\n wahrscheinlich ist a) entweder die partition gemountet oder b) einfach kein platz da.\n mach am besten einfach mal kurz nen screenshot :)\n ubuntu l\u00c3\u00a4uft mit windows 7 auf einer Festplatte. Kann man die Partitionen nicht verschieben?\n depends.\n also ne wubi-installation?\n kenne mich nicht so gut aus. was ist wubi?\n hast du's auf einer eigenen, echten partition, oder diesen in-windows-hinein-installer benutzt?\n keny__: dann nutzt du wohl kein wubi. wubi ist ubuntu auf ner windowspartition\n ich sehe 4 Partitionen , wennich Gparted starte\n mach doch nen screenshot\n keny__: mach doch einfach nen screenshot, hm?\n wie geht das?\n scrot im terminal und dann irgendwo hochladen\n terminal aufmachen, scrot eingeben. wenn scrot noch nicht drauf ist kury installieren\n oder drueck mal die druck-taste, vielleicht macht die auch nen screenshot\n die druck-taste reicht eigentlich schon auch :)\n ich installiere gerade scrot\n wenn ubuntu darauf ein tool gelegt hat dann ja :)\n ubuntu ist extrem langsam\n ich dachte es liegt daran\n keny__: depends.\n was ist depends\n ?\n depends=kommt drauf an\n so hab scrot gemacht \n wo ist das bild und wo kann ich es hoch laden?\n sollte eigentlich angezeigt werden wie das bild heisst\n hab das bild\n wo kann ich es hoch laden?\n hm nen guten uploadservice...vielleicht imagebanana.com\n ich starte mal kurz neu, bin gleich wieder da\n http://www.imagebanana.com/view/bbpuvt2o/20130730132200_1400x1050_scrot.png\n Title: 20130730132200_1400x1050_scrot.png - Bilder und Fotos kostenlos auf ImageBanana hochladen (at www.imagebanana.com)\n keny__: naja, siehst ja selbst dass da nirgends steht \"free space\"\n aber man kann doch veschieben\n etwas vom Windows wegnehmen\n keny__: du kannst 1) sda2 kleiner machen, dann 2) sda3 noch vorn schieben, und dann vergr\u00c3\u00b6ssern.\n aber das geht nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich nur, wenn die partitionen nicht gemountet sind.\n wie sehe ich das?\n keny__: der schl\u00c3\u00bcssel vorne heisst: \"gemountet\"\n keny__: und die linux-partition selbst kannst du nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich nicht unmounten, weil die ja in benutzung ist.\n keny__: ergo: du kannst jetzt dein eindows ein bisschen kleiner machen, dann ne live-cd holen, und mit der dann weiter machen.\n ich kann aber windows hochfahren und dann mit partitionmanager verschieben\n keny__: aber selbstverst\u00c3\u00a4ndlich all das erst NACHDEM du backups gemacht hast\n keny__: w\u00c3\u00bcrde mich wundern, wenn windows seine eigene partition direkt im laufenden betrieb \u00c3\u00a4ndern kann. aber keine ahnung, ich benutz es ja schliesslich nicht.\n w\u00c3\u00bcrde dann grub noch funktionieren?\n keny__: anyways, egal auf welche art du an der partitionierung rumfummelst: mach VORHER(!!!) backups\n ok\n keny__: wenn du von ner livecd aus arbeitst, sollte er. von windows aus - keine ahnung.\n welche partition m\u00c3\u00bcsste ich vergr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fern ? wird ubuntu schneller werden?\n sda5 solltest du auf sagen wir mal 10 oder 15G bringen, und /home eben so viel wie du galubst, das sind ja nur deine benutzerdaten.\n keny__: aber *schneller* glaube ich nicht.\n keny__: da hast du wenn dann schon irgendeinen anderen grund.\n re\n ok ich versuche es mal \u00c3\u00bcber windows\n danke f\u00c3\u00bcr die Hilfe\n keny__: hast du mir noch den link zum screenshot? schon problem behoben?\n http://www.imagebanana.com/view/bbpuvt2o/20130730132200_1400x1050_scrot.png\n Title: 20130730132200_1400x1050_scrot.png - Bilder und Fotos kostenlos auf ImageBanana hochladen (at www.imagebanana.com)\n lux3: einfach pladde voll UND gemountet\n hehe ok dann ists ja klar\n keny__: was willst du \u00c3\u00bcber windows versuchen? :o\n Partitionen verschieben um Platz zuschaffen\n womit willst du das unter windows machen?\n Partitionmanager\n das bild wird bei mir nicht angezeigt, komisch oO\n keny__: der kann aber kein ext3/4, damit geht das nicht\n doch doch\n hab ich schonaml gemacht\n Paragon partitionmanager\n aber nur bei ntfs oder?\n ah ok\n dann kann der das wohl\n lux3: ich hab schon mehrfach auf backups hingewiesen... so what ;)\n au\u00c3\u009fer du willst die windows partition resizen, dann ka\n ja resizen\n windows macht normal keine Probleme aber grub\n ach hab schon ein paarmal partitionen resized, hatte noch nie datenverlust, die tools sind wohl inzwischen relativ ausgereift\n ok ich versuche mein Gl\u00c3\u00bcck\n keny__: mit parted magic kann man auch komfortabel resizen\n keny__: falls paragon streiken sollte\n danke f\u00c3\u00bcr den Tippp\n byeee\n cya\n spricht etwas dagegen apt-get auf der kommandozeile zu nutzen? kann da was kaputt gehen?\n lux3: nicht im geringsten, gute methode\n ok gut\n wei\u00c3\u009f jemand in welchem paket die n\u00c3\u00b6tigen files drin sind um samba mounten zu k\u00c3\u00b6nnen?\n cifs-utils ist normalerweise ein heisser verd\u00c3\u00a4chtiger\n thx\n wie kann man in ubuntu einen dienst neu starten?\n sudo service restart, wenn der Dienst ordentliche Skripte mitbringt\n sudo service restart / sudo /etc/init.d/ restart\n Falls es weitehrin um mythtv geht, keine Ahnung, was die sich zurechtgefummelt haben, aber 'nen Versuch ist es wert :)\n ah mit init.d geht noch? gut :)\n jo geht um mythtv\n habe grade ein problem\n init.d funzt aber man sollte es mit service versuchen... gibt glaub teilweise auch eine meldung dar\u00c3\u00bcber aus\n hab das paket mythtv 0.26 installiert aber mythbackend --version zeigt 0.25??\n kann mir jemand sagen warum beim \u00c3\u00a4ndern eines dokuments oder txt datei keine automatische datei erstellt wird. \n Keine automatische Datei?\n Meinst du, dein Editor macht keine Backupkopien?\n richtig\n Dann m\u00c3\u00bcssten wir wissen, welchen Editor du benutzt.\n gedit , openoffice \n Also, in gedit kann man das in den Optionen einstellen.\n OpenOffice auch, ich wei\u00c3\u009f aber gerade nicht genau, wo.\n macht der nicht in gedit vorher war da auch ging es \n Das H\u00c3\u00a4kchen ist also gesetzt?\n http://i.stack.imgur.com/lSerP.png \u00e2\u0086\u0090 da, das obere der beiden unter \"File Saving\"\n yes\n Und der Dateitr\u00c3\u00a4ger ist sauber gemounted, nicht voll und nicht schreibgesch\u00c3\u00bctzt?\n no\n Und du hast auch Schreibrechte in dem Ordner, in dem du arbeitest?\n Gerade getestet, funktioniert problemlos hier\n UbuntuFan: die genaue ubuntu-version und die paket-version von gedit w\u00c3\u00a4ren sonst ggf. auch hilfreich.\n Hi. Ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte einen Ubuntu-Server einrichten der mir erm\u00c3\u00b6glicht allen Internetverkehr im LAN \u00c3\u00bcber eine VPN-Verbindung zu routen. Wie stelle ich das an?\n Als CLient soll OpenVPN dienen...\n http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/OpenVPN schon angeguckt?\n Title: OpenVPN \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n wei\u00c3\u009f einer wie man hdmi sound zum laufen kriegt wenn es nicht im alsamixxer angezeigt wird ?\n mmm_, zusehen, dass es da angezeigt wird :>\n Klingt erstmal nach Treiberproblemen.\n muss man aber extra treiber runterladen oder ist das eine config sache\n Ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte eigentlich nur den CLient installieren, sprich keinen Server aufsetzen.\n Krontinum, die Client-Installation ist da doch auch beschrieben.\n Bisschen weiter unten.\n mmm_, kommt auf deine Hardware an\n Das Ubuntu System soll dann im lokalen Netz als Gateway via DHCP verteilt werden... und somit der gesamte Verkehr ins INternet \u00c3\u00bcber den VPN Zugang laufen...\n nvidia 630M dadrc \n bzw es sind 2 grafikkarten drin\n bumblebee mit nvidia-bumblebee ist installiert und l\u00c3\u00a4uft dadrc \n Krontinum, dann kombinier den OpenVPN-Artikel mit http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Router#Portweiterleitung\n Title: Router \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n mmm_, ohje, keine Ahnung, ob das mit bumblebee geht, f\u00c3\u00bcr HDMI muss die Grafikkarte ja an sein.\n dadrc: wie ging das lspci | grep hdmi ?\n dort wird nix angezeigt\n mmm_, ich f\u00c3\u00bcrchte, dein Problem wird sein, dass die nvidia-Karte, die ja f\u00c3\u00bcr den HDMI-Ausgang zust\u00c3\u00a4ndig ist, nicht dauerhaft an ist, sondern nur, wenn sie mit optirun speziell angesprochen wird\n Somit k\u00c3\u00b6nnte das Soundsystem dann nichts vom Soundchip auf der Karte wissen\n ja macht ja nix, ich starte z.b. firefox mit optirun f\u00c3\u00bcr nen stream, oder so\n Sorry, keine Ahnung, wie man das einrichtet.\n Wird das Device denn angezeigt, wenn du irgendwas mit Soundausgabe in optirun laufen hast?\n re dadrc \n mmm__, ich wei\u00c3\u009f nicht, wie/ob das so geht. Eventuell mal Google befragen nach 'bumblebee hdmi audio', das, was ich so gesehen hab, sieht eher schlecht aus.\n ja hab auch mal \u00c3\u00bcberflogen... einmal habe ich das irgendwie hinbekommen... aber das ist ne weile her\n Sonst einfach mal ein bisschen warten, vielleicht wei\u00c3\u009f wer anders was\n Oder 'nen Thread bei ubuntuusers.de machen, da gibt's auch echt f\u00c3\u00a4hige Leute.\n na gut\n huhu, ich habe gerade eine nagelneue sd card in meinen pc gesteckt. sie wurde auch erkannt. jetzt beim 2. mal wird sie nicht mehr erkannt :-( weiss hier jemand, was ich tuen k\u00c3\u00b6nnte, um sie wieder benutzen zu k\u00c3\u00b6nnen?\n df -h zeigt sie leider nicht an :-(\n niemand hier?\n doch, aber so pauschal ist das schwer zu sagen.\n mal rebooten, kartenleser an-abstecken - kann aber auch einfach nur kaputt sein.\n kitikonti: df zeigt sie nur an, wenn sie gemountet ist\n mach mal udevadm monitor und steck sie dann rein\n ulli: schon weg\n oh\n immer wieder toll, die leute, die sofort verschwinden, nachdem sie eine frage gestellt haben\n ulli: naja hat ja 15min gewartet, aber meine antwort war wohl nicht ausreichend gefllig\n also ich war gestern nicht sofort weg, bin immer noch da hehe\n so schnell werdet ihr mich auf dem channel auch nicht mehr los\n hallo, hat eine festplatte (nicht partition) auch eine uuid?\n Ich habe auf einer kompletten usb-platte eine vm laufen, was wunderbar geht. nur nervt mich, dass ich oft die laufwerkszuordnung \u00c3\u00a4ndern muss.\n exoon: du kannst nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich auch ne festplatte im ganzen formatieren, dann hat auch die ne UUID. technisch korrekt ist aber, nicht die partition/platte hat die UUID, sondern das dateisystem darinnen.\n LetoThe2nd, geht halt nicht, weil die vm die platte bekommt und sich selbst um die partitionen k\u00c3\u00bcmmert.\n muss ich wohl mit leben.\n exoon: uU kann man udev auch so zurecht beiegen, dass es anhand der seriennummer das ding benamst. musst halt mal googlen.\n LetoThe2nd, ein skript k\u00c3\u00b6nnte sicher auch den parameter der vm entsprechend \u00c3\u00a4ndern.\n f\u00c3\u00bcrs erste mache ich es weiter mit der hand.\n Wie kann ich in einem Makefile ein Target f\u00c3\u00bcr alle Dateien aus einem Ordner erstellen, f\u00c3\u00bcr die es kein gesondertes Target gibt? \"dirname/%\" matched gar nichts, man beachte, dass der Datei- bzw. Ordnername innerhalb von dirname auch Punkte enthalten kann.\n Korrigiere: Das Problem tritt nur auf, wenn der Target \"dirname/%: $@.deb\" lautet. Geht eine dependency mit $@ nicht?\n Ich kann in der dependency $@ durch % ersetzen, aber dann w\u00c3\u00bcrde es \"dirname/%: dirname/%.deb\" hei\u00c3\u009fen, geht das nicht einfacher?\n pc-world: letzteres m\u00c3\u00bcsste laut make manual richtig sein, siehe http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/make.html#Pattern-Rules\n Title: GNU `make' (at www.gnu.org)\n geser: hat auch funktioniert, w\u00c3\u00a4r aber interessant, ob das auch geht, ohne den Rest vom Target wiederholen zu m\u00c3\u00bcssen, aber ich vermute mal, nein\n pc-world: nein, denn die %.deb k\u00c3\u00b6nntest du ja auch in einem anderen Verzeichnis haben z.B. deb/%.deb\n Hi, ich interessiere mich f\u00c3\u00bcr ein neue MacBook pro (mit I7). Allerdings ist der Plan Dualboot und Ubuntu als Hauptsystem einzusetzen. Hat da jemand vielleicht Erfahrung?\n https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro hier finde ich was mit 10,2 bei Apple steh von den Zahlen aber nichts. Nach was m\u00c3\u00bcsste ich denn suchen?\n Title: MacBookPro - Community Ubuntu Documentation (at help.ubuntu.com)\n !hcl > david__ vielleicht findest Du da Informationen\n david__ vielleicht findest Du da Informationen: HCL ist die Hardware Compatibility List. Siehe https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/ sowie http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Hardwaredatenbanken\n kubine: Danke .. da war ich ja .. habe nur keinen Plan was davon der neue I7 sein soll..\n david__: Ansonsten ist f\u00c3\u00bcr Umfragen ohne direkten Ubuntu-Support-Bezug eher der Oftopic-Kanal geeignet. #ubuntu-de-offtopic\n david__: du musst halt rausfinden, welches model dem gew\u00c3\u00bcnschten MacbookPro entspricht\n jokrebel: alles klar\n koegs: guter Plan. Deswegen habe ich mir ja gedacht frage ich mal jemanden der auskennen k\u00c3\u00b6nnte .. also euch ..\n david__: auf der seite steht ja wie man die nummer rauskriegt, mit ein bisschen googlen kriegt man dann bestimmt die nummer f\u00c3\u00bcrs aktuelle model raus\n koegs: danke .. werde es mal versuchen .. \n euch noch nen sch\u00c3\u00b6nen abend\n welche anbieter f\u00c3\u00bcr einen vserver k\u00c3\u00b6nnt ihr empfehlen\n kitikonti: Wie grade erst erw\u00c3\u00a4hnt: f\u00c3\u00bcr Umfragen ohne direkten Ubuntu-Support-Bezug eher den Oftopic-Kanal #ubuntu-de-offtopic nutzen, Danke.\n ok\n wie kann ich die iptables starten? \n ich habe keine start script \n im wiki etc steht nichts dadr\u00c3\u00bcber \n meinst du ufw? siehe \"initctl status ufw\", \"sudo ufw status\" und http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/ufw\n Title: ufw \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n nei nich meine iptable\n iptables\n http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/iptables2?redirect=no\n Title: iptables2 \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n sf3978: ich bekomm die nicht gestartet\n unter debian hab ich nen init.d script\n hier gar nichts\n null \n das script kannst du evtl. erstellen, mit den einzelnen iptables regeln\n ich hab die regeln \n mit iptables -L seh ich die auch\n ich will die jetzt starten verdammt :(\n google hilft auch nicht weiter\n entweder einzeln oder in einem script\n wie einzeln? \n sudo iptables ...\n ja und? \n ach ich muss hier gar nichts starten? \n wenn ich die setze sind die gleich da ?\n was sollen deine iptables regeln bewirken?\n http://pastebin.com/EXMVaZnj\n Title: iptables -I FORWARD -p tcp -d 192.168.178.12 --dport 3306 -j ACCEPT iptables -t - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)\n sf3978: ich will einfach nur mein mysql locahost port an eine andere ip weiterleiten \n die regel in der FORWARD chain ist aktiv\n ok \n dann stimmt also meine regel nicht? \n siehe auch: sudo iptables -nvx -L -i nat\n was?\n sudo iptables -nvx -L -t nat\n was ist damit?\n was bewirkt daS?\n warum brauch ich nat? \n im terminal eingeben\n ich bin im netwerk\n da brauch ich doch kein nat\n die regeln der nat table\n wozu?\n ich geh nicht \u00c3\u00bcbern wan port\n sf3978: ich will doch einfach nur den port weiterleiten mehr nicht\n das kann doch nicht so schwer sein \n du hast nat-Regeln in der PREROUTING und in der POSTROUTING chain (DNAT und MASQUERADE) gepostet\n ok sorr\n hab deins eingegeben geht trotzdem nicht\n \"meines\" ist nur zum anzeigen der regeln\n aber keine regel\n achso\n sf3978: kannst du mir vielleicht sagen wie ich jetzt die regel erstellen muss damit der port weitergeleitet wird?\n hab auch grad gesehen hab mich in der ip gerirrt ^^ ist die 11 hinten geht aber trotzdem nicht\n http://pastebin.com/efARkCfd\n Title: iptables -nvx -L -t nat Chain PREROUTING (policy ACCEPT 2 packets, 64 bytes) - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)\n nein, ohne genau zu wissen was du machen willst geht das nicht und w\u00c3\u00a4re m. e. auch keine hilfe f\u00c3\u00bcr dich. ich schlage vor, du machst dich mit den iptables basics vertraut.\n sf3978: hab ich doch \n imox: du weisst schon, dass ubuntu upstart nutzt und nicht mehr init?\n ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte das mein locahost port 3306 an die ip 192.168.178.11 weitergelietet wird \n k1l: nein wei\u00c3\u009f ich nicht danke\n !upstart > imox \n imox: Informationen zu Upstart finden sich im Wiki unter http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Upstart\n localhost weiterzuleiten ist ein Designfehler.\n sf3978: ist das noch unklar?\n Benutz die IP des Rechners, und leite Port 3306 weiter.\n bekks: kannst du das bitte dem sagen der hier das aufgesetzt hat\n habe ich doch schon gestern erkl\u00c3\u00a4rt \n Ich sage es Dir, weil DU das Ding administrierst. Und offensichtlich root-Rechte hast :)\n ich finde das selber extrem bescheuert aber es muss so sein. es gibt auch programme wo ich nicht ran komme\n da ist die ip fest im quellcode\n bekks: aber ich komme nicht an die programme ran \n bekks: es gibt ein server wo aber die hardware mehr doer weniger kaputt ist und der auch viel zu langsam ich versuche nur das ganze ding auf ubuntu umzustellen und neue hwardware \n momentan l\u00c3\u00a4uft da ne sau alte suse version und die hardware macht nicht mehr lange ^^\n aber an den programmen etc kann ich leider nichts \u00c3\u00a4ndern \n bekks: also bitte habe verst\u00c3\u00a4ndnis f\u00c3\u00bcr mich das ich in diesem fall wirklich nichts f\u00c3\u00bcr den designfehler kann ;) \n sind denn meine rules eigentlich so ok?\n also kann da jemand einen fehler erkennen?\n sorry k\u00c3\u00b6nnt ihr mir bitte helfen ich komm da nicht weiter\n versuch hier die ganze zeit aber geht einfach nicht\n hab auch schon die wikis und so gelesen\n geht alles nicht\n sf3978: noch da?\n hmm naja warscheinlich kann das einfach hier uach keiner ^^\n bekks: also es geht \u00c3\u00bcberhauptnicht mit iptables\n Dann machst du da was falsch.\n nein \n Doch.\n das wurde mir in dem irc channel iptables gesagt\n Jefe: The problem is once a packet is on an interface, you can't change the interface.\n [12:42am] Jefe: If you do mysql -h 127.0.0.1, the interface is selected by the process.\n Da steht sowohl das Problem als auch die L\u00c3\u00b6sung.\n h\u00c3\u00a4?\n und was bitte soll die l\u00c3\u00b6sung sein \n Ich wette, du startest zuerst mysql, dann baust du die iptables Regel - richtig?\n wie mysql starten? \n ich habe doch auf dem rechner gar kein mysql drauf\n darum gehts doch die ganze zeit\n bekks: noch da?\n bekks: also das geht mit ip tables nich\n bekks: naja keine antwort ist auch ne antwort \n alles klar bis dann \n#ubuntu-de 2013-07-31\n Nabend. Wie lasse ich mir die k-te bis n-te Zeile einer Datei ausgeben? tail und head scheinen das nicht zu k\u00c3\u00b6nnen...\n Moin\n Jemand online der mir bei \"ufw\" und prerouting helfen kann?\n murphee: in dem du head und tail kombinierst: head -n datei | tail -(n-k+1) (n und n-k+1 bitte passend ersetzen) => 3. - 6. Zeile: head -6 datei | tail -4\n geser, das war um 0330 ;)\n Au\u00c3\u009ferdem ist awk viel sch\u00c3\u00b6ner: `awk 'NR==k,NR==n'\n J-BBB, einfach dein Problem beschreiben, wenn jemand 'ne Idee dazu hat, wird er das schon sagen\n dadrc: ich wei\u00c3\u009f, da aber bisher keiner geantwortet hat und der User noch hier ist, ging ich mal davon aus, dass es noch ungel\u00c3\u00b6st ist\n Ich bekomme das PREROUTING mit ufw nicht hin. Hier meine Config -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5931784/ . Ich erhalte immer die Meldung: ERROR: problem running ufw-init und dann geht nix mehr :(\n Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)\n Habs auch schon an jeder Stelle der before.rules hinzugef\u00c3\u00bcgt. Immer das gleiche\n Das sieht mir doch sehr nach iptables-Rules aus\n W\u00c3\u00bcsste nicht, dass ufw iptables-Rules versteht.\n ufw macht doch nichts anderes als iptables zu \u00c3\u00bcbersetzen\n Ja, eben.\n daf\u00c3\u00bcr gibt es ja die before.rules\n Aso, richtig, ist ja die before...\n nvm.\n kommt mir irgendwie so vor als w\u00c3\u00a4re das debian wheezy paket buggy\n Keine Ahnung, frag die Debianleute :>\n bekks: du meintest ja es geht nur mit iptables. habe es jetzt einfach mit einem xinid.d eintrag gemacht\n Gibt es eigentlich keine einstellm\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit wieviele kernel ubuntu beh\u00c3\u00a4lt? hier l\u00c3\u00a4uft st\u00c3\u00a4ndig die festplatte voll :(\n elmargol: es gab mal den janitor, den hat aber keiner benutzt ;)\n Gibt es.\n Sollte in /etc/kernel/postinst.d/apt-auto-removal sein\n Das schreibt nachm Installieren von einem Kernel /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove-kernels entsprechend um\n Danach sollte autoremove alte Kernel weghauenm\n ah kay\n Wie genau man das konfiguriert, keine Ahnung, wird schon dranstehen\n Setzt nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich voraus, dass man die Kernel \u00c3\u00bcber das Metapaket installiert\n tach auch\n mahlzeit... ich ben\u00c3\u00b6tige mal ein bisschen beratung\n einfach fragen\n ich habe hier ein samsung netbook n150. das ding geh\u00c3\u00b6rt meiner frundin und da ist nur windoof 7 starter drauf. nun m\u00c3\u00b6chte ich ihr linux drauf basteln. wei\u00c3\u009f aber nicht welches tats\u00c3\u00a4chlich optimal ist^^ es soll einfach nur zum surfen und n bisschen daddeln sein... und gimp muss drauf laufen...\n Zocken und Gimp auf 'nem Netbook? Seit wann haben die Dinger echte Hardware?\n Ansonsten, f\u00c3\u00bcr schw\u00c3\u00a4chere Hardware, und dazu geh\u00c3\u00b6ren Netbooks, w\u00c3\u00bcrd ich zu Xubuntu raten\n nein nicht zocken... n bisschen daddeln... browser games^^ und meine freundin hat gelegentlich mal bilder und m\u00c3\u00b6chte die auf m netbook ansehen und zu schneiden oder so... daf\u00c3\u00bcr reichts aus^^ das ging schon mit windoof 7 starter\n Dann eventuell eher Pinta statt Gimp, ist einfacher zu benutzen und frisst nicht soviel Ressourcen\n Ich bleib aber bei Xubuntu als generelle Empfehlung\n danke... \n kennt jemand meego? bin da durchzufall beim suchen drauf geso\u00c3\u009fen... soll auf redhed basieren...\n Wenn du m\u00c3\u00b6glichst wenig Arbeit mit dem Ding haben willst, nimm 12.04, das hat noch ein paar mehr Jahre Support. \n Allgemeinen Smalltalk, der nicht direkt mit Ubuntu zusammenh\u00c3\u00a4ngt, bitte in #ubuntu-de-offtopic -- damit hier keine Supportanfragen untergehen\n danke\n bis demn\u00c3\u00a4chst\n Hi. Gibt es eine M\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit mehrere Ordner die \u00c3\u00bcber drei Festplatten verstreut sind, ohne Raid oder LVM, als einen zu behandeln?\n einfach rein linken?\n d\n Daran hatte ich auch schon gedacht, allerdings bringt das wieder viele Nachteile. Ich dachte eher an ein Tool mit dem sich die Ordner wieder in einen anderen Ordner mountet und entscheidet auf welche Platte geschrieben werden soll.\n auf welcher Grundlage soll dies geschehen?\n Tach!\n mal ne frage, hab jetzt mal aus jux und tollerrei an mein laptop, welche die interne i5 chipsatz grafikkarte, + eine nvidia630m hat, 2 monitore angeschlossen, wie es scheint kann man nicht mehr als 2 monitore gleichzeitig betreiben.... ist das richtig ? oder kann man theoretich doch meine 2 externen + notebook monitor nutzen ?\n saaaa: nein, das geht nicht. die 630m hat einen fermi-chip, der unterst\u00c3\u00bctzt im gegensatz zu keppler nur zwei monitore\n 620m, 630m und 635m sind nur umgelabelte 5xx\n die anderen 6xx k\u00c3\u00b6nnen es wohl\n schade :/\n aber 1a antwort, danke\n hallo zusammen\n ich habe folgendes problem:\n ich habe ubuntu und einen benutzer\n ich habe einen eggdrop installiert, der verbindet aber nicht mit dem irc-server\n als fehler kommt \"DNS abfrage fehlgeschlagen\" \n \"ping google.de\" erzeugt auch einen fehler \"unknown host google.de\"\n \"sudo ping google.de\" funktioniert hingegen\n aber eggdrop kann ich NICHT als admin ausf\u00c3\u00bchren\n meine frage also: wie erlaube ich dem normalen user die aufl\u00c3\u00b6sung von hosts?\n welche Rechte hat die Datei /etc/resolv.conf?\n wie erfahre ich die?\n sorry, bin totaler anf\u00c3\u00a4nger\n ls -l /etc/resolv.conf\n -rw-r--r-- w root root 38 2013-07-31 15:15\n ...und mal schauen ob du ueberhaupt ne route ins internet hast: ping 8.8.8.8\n sieht gut aus\n das zweite w (vor root ) ist eine \"1\"\n socket: permission denied\n ich glaub wir fangen beim falschen layer an. ... steckt das kabel und leuchtet die LED an der buchse?\n vielleicht sollte ich noch erkl\u00c3\u00a4ren, dass ubuntu auf meinem smartphone l\u00c3\u00a4uft \n und internet bezieht es via w-lan\n sysdef: laut seiner Aussage soll ein \"sudo ping google.de\" ja funktionieren\n ah\n ja, mit sudo funktioniert es\n ist das ein richtiges ubuntu touch, oder so ein uns\u00c3\u00a4gliches app-in-chroot-hackmich dings? ;)\n LetoThe2nd: es gibt auch app-ohne-chroot-hackmich dinger :)\n ich glaube, ich habe etwas gefunden\n Solution? It\u00e2\u0080\u0099s an issue (well, not really an issue, more working like intended) of this kernel flag CONFIG_ANDROID_PARANOID_NETWORK And you can fix it by adding the aid_inet group \u00e2\u0080\u0094 and adding your user(s) too it. Don\u00e2\u0080\u0099t forget to add NTP etc as well. gplugD ~ # groupadd -g 3003 aid_inet gplugD ~ # usermod -G -a aid_inet $YOUR-USER\n kann mir jemand verraten, was das bedeutet: \"Don\u00e2\u0080\u0099t forget to add NTP etc as well.\"\n sysdef: die verdienen aber nicht mal mehr den ausdruck \"uns\u00c3\u00a4glich\"\n Hi\n * [G]Script52 ist jetzt AWAY (grund: auto-AWAY nach 180 min idle-zeit)\n Ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde gerne eine SMS \u00c3\u00bcber Ubuntu versenden. Die ganzen Anleitungen setzen aber ein GSM Modem voraus. Mir stehen aber nur eine Patton Box (ISDN) oder ein SIP Anschluss zur verf\u00c3\u00bcgungn. Gibt es in der richtung auch etwas?\n yogg: nein, brauchst nen ordentliches gateway daf\u00c3\u00bcr\n apollo13: schade schade. Mal bei meinem SIP Provider nachfragen. Bei SIP Gate gibts eine Rest Api mit der man SMS Versenden kann. Eventuell kann meiner was \u00c3\u00a4nliches\n es gibt im internet tonnenweise diesnte f\u00c3\u00bcrs sowas\u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n daf\u00c3\u00bcr braucht man nur internet und kein sip/isdn/gsm wahtever ;)\n ich will aber die Telefonnummern nicht beliebig im Internet verstreuen. Wer wei\u00c3\u009f was der Gratis betreiber XY mit den Nummern macht.\n yogg: developergarden :)\n yogg: aber das ganze hat dann mit ubuntu quasi nichts mehr zu tun ;)\n yogg: es gibt f\u00c3\u00bcr sowas quasi keine gratis betreiber und selbst wenn, die muss man ja nicht nehmen *kopfsch\u00c3\u00bcttel*\n apollo13: mir ist schon klar das ich mir das ganze auch einkaufen kann. Ich hatte gehofft ich brauch nichts extra einzukaufen. Aber es ist sowieso ein nice to have feature. Wenns nicht geht dann gehts eben nicht ^^\n ein problem mit apache2 und einem virtual host, das ist die config http://pastebin.com/bvQ3EMUi wenn ich die seite aufrufe, fragt er nach einer Authentifizierung. in ./test ist nur index.html\n Title: ServerName test.localhost DocumentRoot /home/exoon/ - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)\n sonst gibt es keine andere virtual host config. test.localhost ist in hosts und anpingbar.\n laut wiki soll in /etc/apache2/ports.conf NameVirtualHost * drin stehen, dort steht aber NameVirtualHost *:80\n diese mods sind enabled: alias auth_basic authn_file authz_default authz_groupfile authz_host authz_user autoindex cgi deflate dir env mime negotiation php5 reqtimeout rewrite setenvif status\n hmm, hat sich erledigt\n frage ich mich aber noch warum test.localhost/index.php funktioniert, aber test.localhost schickt mich zur apache startseite\n exoon: Braucht man da nicht einen index.html?\n jokrebel, oder index.php\n eigentlich geht es ja, nur dass test.localhost/ auf die default seite (it works) zeigt. test.localhost/irgendeinedatei geht. \n die L\u00c3\u00b6sung ist frustrierend. statt die url immer wieder neu einzugeben, hat ein einfaches f5-refresh im firefox gen\u00c3\u00bcgt. es war alles in ordnung.\n hey, suspend geht bei mir nicht, kann ich irgendwie testen ob suspend to disk geht ? finde diese 2-3 eingaben nicht die man eingeben musste ins terminakl\n !pm-utils > merkur \n merkur: Informationen zu pm-utils finden sich im Wiki unter http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/pm-utils\n puhh sehr umfangreich ^^\n hi, wie ist der name des offtopic channels?\n !ot > thingamabob\n thingamabob: Dies ist ein Ubuntu-Supportchannel! Fuer Offtopic- und Stammtischgespraeche bitte #ubuntu-de-offtopic nutzen. Danke! ;)\n danke\n hi\n hoi\n nabend\n#ubuntu-de 2013-08-01\n bis demn\u00c3\u00a4chst\n n'abend. Ich hab eine mini.iso auf USB Stick installiert. ben\u00c3\u00b6tige aber propriet\u00c3\u00a4ren WLAN Treiber b43 + firmware.\n habe ich auf 2 USB partition, aber ich kann w\u00c3\u00a4hrend USB Boot nix mounten\n boot von HDD, mount -loop mini.iso /media/mini ist immer ro, remount,rw tut nicht, wollte /lib/modules und /lib/firmware direkt ins iso kopieren :(\n andere ideen?\n Hab hier gerade Xubuntu 13.04 mit awesome, aber meine Bashets (aus awesome-extra) werden nicht angezeigt.\n Gibt's da irgendwas, was nicht in den Docs steht? :)\n moin\n moin\n ich bin gerade dabei ubuntu \u00c3\u00bcber wubi auf meinem laptop zu installieren, er zeigt jetzt jedoch schon ca. eine halbe stunde \"Kopieren der Dateien fast abgeschlossen...\" und der Fortschrittsbalken hat sich in dieser zeit auch nicht weiter bewegt\n habe ich irgendwas falsch gemacht oder muss ich einfach weiter warten?\n Thor77: einfach kein wubi verwenden, das ding ist faktisch unsupportbar.\n LetoThe2nd: mein DVD-Laufwerk hat aber irgendwie ein Problem und kann deshalb nicht von der Ubuntu-CD booten\n Thor77: dann nimm halt nen usb-stick\n LetoThe2nd: kann man den denn danach noch normal benutzen?\n Thor77: zeit, die du in wubi schiebst ist doppelt verschwendet, weil du's nachher ohnehin noch mal neu machen musst, plus du hast zus\u00c3\u00a4tzlichen \u00c3\u00a4rger\n Thor77: den usb-stick?\n LetoThe2nd: ja\n Thor77: klar, warum nicht? nachher einfach formatieren\n LetoThe2nd: h\u00c3\u00a4tt ja sein k\u00c3\u00b6nnen\n Thor77: w\u00c3\u00a4hrend dem procedere sollten halt keine daten drauf sein die erhalten bleiben m\u00c3\u00bcssen ;)\n LetoThe2nd: das war mir auch klar ;)\n Thor77: und nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich, *vorher* backups machen. umpartitionierung und so.\n LetoThe2nd: gibt es irgend einen bestimmten ordner wo wubi die dateien hingepackt hat, den ich also einfach l\u00c3\u00b6schen kann?\n Thor77: keine ahnung.\n LetoThe2nd: okey, dann danke f\u00c3\u00bcr die hilfe :)\n Thor77: have fun\n IHallo. Ich hatte gestern einen H\u00c3\u00a4nger bei der Aktualisierungsverwaltung. Jetzt lassen sich keine \u00c3\u0084nderungen installieren. Hab ihr einen Tipp f\u00c3\u00bcr mich?\n koelner, mach mal ein Terminal auf, gib `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade` ein und pack die Ausgabe in einen Pastebin.\n LetoThe2nd: oh, ich erstelle mir gerade einen Live-USB-Stick, damit kann ich Ubuntu aber auch installieren, oder?\n Thor77: m\u00c3\u00bcsste gehen.\n LetoThe2nd: gut, ich probiers einfach mal aus\n dadrc: Danke. Ich habe gerade ein apt-get check gemacht. Als Fehlerkorrektur sollte ich dpkg --configure -a machen. Das habe ich angesto\u00c3\u009fen und hab das Problem wohl erst richtig vergr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fert. :(\n koelner: wenn du den output nicht herzeigst k\u00c3\u00b6nnen wir nur raten\u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n und hau dann gleich noch nen apt-cache policy zu den ausgaben dazu\n hi\n Danke f\u00c3\u00bcr eure Hilfe. Ich melde mich sp\u00c3\u00a4ter nochmal.\n ich habe ein problem: ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte meinen pc per acpi wakeup zu einer bestimmten zeit aufwecken, aber es klappt nicht. habe schon versucht acpi wakeup im bios zu aktivieren und zu deaktivieren, klappt beidesmal nicht\n \"ok\"\n dadrc: Nochmals Danke. Obwohl ich schlimmes bef\u00c3\u00bcrchtet hatte, dpkg --configure -a hat alles gerichtet. \n wie pr\u00c3\u00bcfe ich ob meine hwclock auf utc eingestellt ist? und wie stelle ich sie auf utc falls nicht?\n lux3_: Den Artikel http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Systemzeit kennst Du?\n Title: Systemzeit \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n lux3_: ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde sagen, beim booten schauen, auf was die Bios Uhrzeit steht?\n bullgard4: nein, noch nicht, danke seh ich mir mal an\n bullgard4: hm ich finde da nix davon wie man die hwclock auf utc umstellt?\n lux3_: Bitte 'man date' lesen.\n lux3_: hwclock -r -D gibt was aus?\n stevieh: http://paste2.org/BvUK8nAK\n \"Hardware clock is on UTC time\" scheint zu passen\n na siehste.\n und mit man hwclock siehste auch, wie du das stellst.\n was sehe ich?\n lux3_: wie du die hwclock stellst\n hwclock --systohc --utc ?\n so isses\n hmm sollte hwclock --utc nicht dasselbe ausgeben wie date --utc?\n hwclock --utc gibt 11:34 aus, date --utc hingegen 9:34\n The time shown is always in local time, even if you keep your\n Hardware Clock in Coordinated Universal Time.\n ah ok, thx\n dann sollten die uhrzeiten wohl alle passen\n bis auf ein paar Schaltsekunden ;-)\n dann werd ich mal nochmal versuchen den pc aufwecken zu lassen mit acpi rtc. hab jetzt auch das script modifiziert das die hwclock beim shutdown schreibt, theoritisch sollte es eigentlich jetzt gehen\n hi\n murphee: hi... probleme mit deiner verbindung?\n LetoThe2nd: Ne, ist alles in Ordnung. Hab nur ein wenig am client rumgefummelt...\n murphee: ok... wenn du noch l\u00c3\u00a4nger fummelst, nimm uns doch bitte so lange aus dem autojoin, ok?\n LetoThe2nd: Werde dran denken. Sorry.\n murphee: danke sehr :)\n Hey ihr, ab welcher ubuntu-version gibt es nochmal dieses ubuntu, welches schin mit gnome 3 kommt?\n gubuntu? glaube ab 13.04\n Ist das stabil?\n Hab gerade nen Notebook erhalten vom hermes-mann\n gnome1234: k.a.\n probiers aus :) Die Software dadrinnen hat zumindest den Status stabil \n 13.04 sollte ja zumindest aktuell sein meine ich\n Vom datum her\n Ok danke :)\n Wei\u00c3\u009f jemand spontan noch n befehl um die aktuell verwendete version herauszubekommen\n (Von ubuntu generell)\n lsb_release -a\n Klappt, danke\n hi , gibts nen kleines tool was mir die unterschiede zwischen 2 pfaden anzeigen kann,.... hab gerade 300gb auf ne andere platte kopiert nur irgendwie stimmt was mit den gr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fen der ordner nicht\n diff, im zweifelsfall mit rekursivem ls koppeln w\u00c3\u00a4r mein gedanke.\n hast du villt ne eingabe im kopf ? sonst schau ich in den manpages\n aber wird nicht leicht :D\n LetoThe2nd: diff nimmst auch nur eine quelle ? :/\n sinngem\u00c3\u00a4ss: 1) ls -R /erstes/verzeichnis > verz1.txt 2) ls -R /zweites/verzeichnis > verz2.txt 3) diff verz1.txt verz2.txt\n achso :)\n meld z.b. kann auch direkt auf verzeichnisb\u00c3\u00a4ume losgehen, wird aber u.U. ziemlich langsam bei vielen dateien.\n dachte das w\u00c3\u00a4re alles zusammen ein komando, danke ich probiere es mal aus\n ls ist ja ziemlich fix :)\n LetoThe2nd: danke hat geklappt,... irgendwie gibts keine unterschiede bis auf 2 kleinen files :S wie kann das sein das trozdem unterschiedlich viele GB angezeigt werden xD\n so ein schman\n f\u00c3\u00a4hrt eine hdd in den standby wenn sie gemountet ist ? hmm\n ja. warum sollte sie nicht?\n sysdef: war mir nicht sicher,.. weil sie ja \"benutzt\" wird... \n meine hdd zeigt fehler an :( hab die jetzt 3tage gemountet in benuzung im CD-tray mit nem hdd-caddy :(\n mmm3, i/o errors?\n Hey ihr, hab grad gnome ubuntu 13.04 installiert, der firefox ist in englisch. Was kann kann da tun?\n firefox-locale-de ist installiert\n gnome1234, gnome-language-selector starten und mal schauen, ob dir das programm ggf. hinweise liefert, ob die sprachunterst\u00c3\u00bctzung nur unvollst\u00c3\u00a4ndig eingerichtet ist\n Das programm existiert anscheinend nicht\n Zumindest bewirkt der befehel nichts\n gnome1234, language-selector-gnome?\n Musst installiert werden, der erste befehl war ok\n Unterst\u00c3\u00bctzung unvollst\u00c3\u00a4ndig, siejt gut aus\n Leider immernoch englisch\n Nach ab- und anmeldung\n gnome1234: was ist \"gnome ubuntu 13.04\"? sprich ggf. einfach irgendwelche merkw\u00c3\u00bcrdigen fremdquellen die die sprachpakete inkompatibel machen?\n gnome1234, installiere das sprachpaket einmal neu:$ sudo apt-get remove firefox-locale-de ; sudo apt-get install firefox-locale-de\n Hab das offiziell heruntergeladen, nennt sich gnome ubuntu und ist seit 13.04 wohl gleichwertig mit kubuntu &co\n Neuinstallation tuts auch njcht, fremdquellen sind keine eingebunden\n gnome1234, unter firefox -> Extras -> Addons -> Sprachen einfach mal \"deutsch\" aktivieren?\n gnome1234: ach, das scheint n eigener remix zu sein. klingt nach mist den die leute da gemacht haben, kann man fixen, aber die cd ist nicht offiziell supported, das haben n paar leute in ihrer freizeit zusammengemixt.\n Da steht \"Deutsch Language Pack is incompatible with firefox 22.0 (disabled)\n !sources.list > gnome1234, gib uns das mal:\n gnome1234, gib uns das mal:: Informationen zu sources.list finden sich im Wiki unter http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/sources.list, eine vollst\u00c3\u00a4ndige sources.list erh\u00c3\u00a4lt man mit dem Konsolenbefehl grep '^deb' -r /etc/apt/sources.list*\n !nopaste > gnome1234 bitte dahin die ausgabe des konsolenbefehls\n gnome1234 bitte dahin die ausgabe des konsolenbefehls: Nicht selbst geschriebener Text wird im IRC sehr unleserlich und unhandlich. Deshalb sollten mehr als 3 Zeilen immer in einen sogenannten Nopaste-Service wie z.B. http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/ abgelegt werden. Nach dem Speichern kannst du dann die URL der Seite kopieren und sie statt des Textes hier im Channel posten.\n TheInfinity, hab nach dem Ikhaya Artikel nicht das Gef\u00c3\u00bchl, dass das ein Gebastel von 1-2 Menschen ist. http://ikhaya.ubuntuusers.de/2013/03/11/ubuntu-gnome-wird-offiziell/\n Title: Ubuntu GNOME wird offiziell \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Ikhaya \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at ikhaya.ubuntuusers.de)\n Moment, datu muss ich ans notebook wechseln\n gnome1234: wenn man sich die mailingliste anschaut hat man exakt dieses gef\u00c3\u00bchl ;)\n das ist auch kein gebastel\n das ist schon sehr ernsthafte bastelei\n darf ich den grep-Befehl hier nochmal haben? bin jetzt am notebook\n !sources.list > gnome1234 \n gnome1234: Informationen zu sources.list finden sich im Wiki unter http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/sources.list, eine vollst\u00c3\u00a4ndige sources.list erh\u00c3\u00a4lt man mit dem Konsolenbefehl grep '^deb' -r /etc/apt/sources.list*\n http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/415507/\n Title: firefox language-problem \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Ablage \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at paste.ubuntuusers.de)\n Wenn jemand Zeit und Lust hat darf er auch gern per Teamviewer rein, System wurde erst vorhin aufgesetzt (neues Notebook), nichts zu verbergen\n gnome4321: apt-cache show firefox und apt-cache search firefox-locale-de bitte auch noch mal\n apt-cache show firefox-locale-de - nicht search\n http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/415512/\n Title: Unbenannt \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Ablage \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at paste.ubuntuusers.de)\n mach grad nen apt-get upgrade.. vlt bringts ja was\n danke f\u00c3\u00bcr die m\u00c3\u00bche, apt-get upgrade hat funktioniert\n hey leute, wie kan es sein, dass in einem bash script commands wie \"git\" oder \"wget\" nicht gefunden werden?\n yannick__: $PATH nicht gesetzt, vor allem in nem cronjob oder so.\n LetoThe2nd: vorhin ging es mal :s\n also was am besten machen?\n yannick__: das script debuggen ;)\n yannick__: which und echo d\u00c3\u00bcrften deine freunde sein.\n LetoThe2nd: kann ich nicht das vom user auslesen?\n yannick__: was willst du wo auslesen? und wer sagt dir, dass das dann auch wirklich zur laufzeit so ist?\n LetoThe2nd: naja den $PATH vom aktuellen user. ich rufe ein bash script via php auf, deshalb sind die nicht verg\u00c3\u00bcbar oder wie?\n LetoThe2nd: ich habe noch nie ein bash script gesehen, in dem $PATH gesetzt wird :o\n yannick__: keine ahnung wie php da was setzt, deswegen sollst du' sidr ja anschauen. ergo: echo, which\n LetoThe2nd: im script?\n man kann auch direkte pfade nutzen \"/usr/bin/wget\"\n yannick__: nee, in deinem k\u00c3\u00bchlschrank, direkt unter den eisw\u00c3\u00bcrfeln....\n *SCNR*\n ... statt \"wget\"\n LetoThe2nd: hinter dem bier?\n wie bekomme ich im mate desktop unter Ubuntu 13.04 den compiz-settings-manager zum laufen?\n macnux: Mate? Ist das nicht diese Mint-oberfl\u00c3\u00a4che?\n richtig der fork von der alten gnome2er linie\n ich habe schon grunds\u00c3\u00a4tzlich effekte wie z.b. geblurte fensterrahmen... nur \u00c3\u00a4nderungen im compiz-settings-manager wirken sich nicht aus\n macnux: Laut http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/MATE ist das nicht offiziell und deshalb wird ein support auch schwer werden. Vielleicht hilft Dir http://askubuntu.com/questions/281876/how-can-i-make-compiz-work-with-mate-1-6 --- wenn nicht -> good luck die Mate-Entwickler k\u00c3\u00b6nnten vielleicht noch helfen. ...oO( man muss auch mal loslassen k\u00c3\u00b6nnen und neues akzeptieren ) \n Title: Mate \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n im wiki steht da leider recht wenig... \n macnux: Genau; weil es eben nichts Ubuntu-Offizielles ist ;-)\n ich muss sicher nicht ausf\u00c3\u00bchren wieso ich nicht unity nutzen m\u00c3\u00b6chte... h\u00c3\u00a4tte gerne ubuntu wie zu 10.04 zeiten\n macnux: Nein, Du musst es nicht ausf\u00c3\u00bchren und Du musst Dich auch nicht rechtfertigen. Aber damit abfinden, dass es halt von Ubuntu nicht offiziell supported wird ;-)\n und der tip war schon teilweise hilfreich, denn nun habe ich im wiki auf mate-desktop.org schon etwas gefunden was mir weiter hilft\n nun habe ich das altbekannte problem mit der fehlenden fensterdekoration\n so Mate / Compiz Problem gel\u00c3\u00b6st durch deinstallation aller Compiz Pakete und genauem befolgen des offiziellen Mate Wikis ;)\n tach, gibt es eine desktoip anwendung ala \"rainmeter\" aus windows wo man caldav termine und aufgaben syncen kann ?\n oder schon irgendwas integriertes halt...\n erledigt -.-\n hi, ich habe mir eine bluetooth fernbedienung gekauft, die signale an meinen ubuntu rechenr schickt, lauter leiser, mute funktionieren out of the box, aber es gibt ein paar andere die nicht funktionieren und ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte gerne herausfinden, welche signale ankommen wenn ich sie dr\u00c3\u00bccke.\n hi jemand da? ich habe ein richtig dickes problem\n unzwar ging meine grafik bis jetzt tadelos mit den nvidia treiber, doch dann... ich war nur f\u00c3\u00bcr ca 30 minuten abwesend, schwarzer bildschirm (bildschirmsperre) doch ab da war meine aufl\u00c3\u00b6sung total niedrig und mein anzeigeger\u00c3\u00a4t ist unbekannt\n bis demn\u00c3\u00a4chst\n#ubuntu-de 2013-08-02\n hi\n ich habe mit mythbuntu-lirc-generator eine lirc config f\u00c3\u00bcr vlc generiert, allerdings funktioniert die fernbedienung in vlc nicht, woran kann das liegen?\n lux3_, http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/VLC#VLC-und-Lirc gelesen?\n Title: VLC \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n Und wenn jemand von euch Ahnung von awesome hat, ich hab da ein Problem mit meinen Bashets auf 'nem 13.04: Werden einfach nicht angezeigt. Config http://paste.ubuntu.com/5939174/\n Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)\n hab nen haken bei \"Infrarot-Fernbedienungsinterface\" gemacht, aber es funzt noch nicht. muss ich vlc neustarten?\n W\u00c3\u00a4r zumindest mal 'nen Versuch wert\n ahjo jetzt funzts. teilweise zumindest\n Die Liste der Befehle, die funktionieren sollte, ist da auch im Wikiartikel verlinkt\n play und pause geht, sonst scheinbar nix. wie kriege ich die andern tasten zum laufen? lirc config editieren?\n Jo\n http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Lirc/Tasten_mit_Funktionen_belegen#Beispiele \u00e2\u0086\u0090 da ist eine Beispielkonfiguration f\u00c3\u00bcr VLC dabei\n Title: Tasten mit Funktionen belegen \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Lirc \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n hmmm, locale fuer die Uhrzeit setzen ist eine Zeile in der .*shrc ...\n Kann man machen, kann man aber auch ordentlich machen\n sry, glaub, ich bin im falschen Fenster\n dadrc: ok habs hinbekommen, thx :)\n Hi kann ich irgendwie \u00c3\u00bcber SSH compiz neustarten?\n Ausmachen kannst du es, neustarten, hmmm.\n Eventuell mit \"DISPLAY=:0 nohup compiz --replace &\"\n hmmm das hat nicht so richtig geholfen: Es fehlen nun die Sidebar links und die Men\u00c3\u00bcleiste oben :(\n und alt tab und sowas geht auch nicht mehr :(\n bis demn\u00c3\u00a4chst\n komisch, wenn ich mein shell script \u00c3\u00bcber php ausf\u00c3\u00bchre funktionieren wget und git commands nicht mehr. wenn ich es manuell auf der shell ausf\u00c3\u00bchre, dann schon. wie kann ich das denn beheben?\n vermutung: $PATH\n l\u00c3\u00b6sung: im skript absolute pfade nutzen\n hab ich gestern schon gesagt, $PATH pr\u00c3\u00bcfen, im zwifels fall das script mit echo und which debuggen\n yannick__: soll ich dir das log raussuchen?\n LetoThe2nd: hey, ich habe den vollen path eingetragen, habe dann allredings einen anderen fehler bekommen. das kann doch auch einfach gehen..\n yannick__: \"ich habe einen anderen fehler\"\n LetoThe2nd: habe den \"export PATH\" part aus meiner zshrc rauskopiert.\n sorry, danke f\u00c3\u00bcr das gespr\u00c3\u00a4ch\n LetoThe2nd: die sache ist auch die, dass das script sp\u00c3\u00a4ter woanders hinkommt, wo es nicht die gleichen pfade sind\n yannick__: dann musst du das ding halt entsprechend paramtrierbar machen, respektive aussenrum $PATH korrekt setzen\n yannick__: alles kein hexenwerk - alles genau das selbe wie ich schon gestern sagte - daher eigentlich keine lust weiter zeit zu investieren.\n kurz gegurgelt: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6901583/adding-to-the-path-environment-variable-in-a-php-script\n Title: Adding to the $PATH environment variable in a PHP script - Stack Overflow (at stackoverflow.com)\n da sollten genug inspirationen zu finden sein\n ppq: PATH ist in seinem Shell-Script nicht gesetzt, dass von seinem PHP-Script aufgerufen wird\n geser, deswegen soll er PATH ja im php script setzen\n hmm, wird das an sie (Sub-)Shell durchgereicht?\n geser, es ist die gleiche shell\n ppq: habe ich nicht gefunden...\n LetoThe2nd: ppq ich danke euch!\n hi\n hi leszek \n hey nochmal, wenn ich argumente an ein bash script \u00c3\u00bcbergebe, kriege ich die ja mit $1.... wie \u00c3\u00bcbergebe ich denn ein besten einen string, der auch sonderzeichen enth\u00c3\u00a4lt, ohne dass das script abbricht? ./foo.sh --string=\"\u00c3\u00a4\u00c3\u00b6;+\"\n yannick__: evtl. mal mit $* schauen ob der string da drinnen steht\n Hallo. Ich habe hier ein Ubuntu 12.04.2 mit Kernel 3.8.0-27. Erhalte bei der Installation eines Pakets von DKMS folgende Meldung: Module build for the currently running kernel was skipped since the kernel source for this kernel does not seem to be installed.\n Woher bekomme ich die kernel source? Die linux-headers sind installiert. \n schweegi: Das ist meiner Meinung nach aber nicht der aktuelle Kernel eines 12.04.2 LTS Ubuntus\n jokrebel: Standardm\u00c3\u00a4\u00c3\u009fig ist bei 12.04.2 der 3.5er aktiv. In den offiziellen Repos liegt aber auch der 3.8er, diesen brauche ich, weil mit dem endlich ruckelfrei der Anschluss eines HDMI Bildschirms unter 12.04 funktioniert\n hast du nur linux-headers oder die header f\u00c3\u00bcr den spezifischen kernel installiert?\n Das doofe ist jetzt halt, das DKMS das bumblebee-Paket nicht verarbeiten will, wegen der obigen Meldung, und ich daher Bumblebee nicht nutzen kann. \n koegs: Die Header f\u00c3\u00bcr den Kernel 3.8.0-27\n M\u00c3\u00b6chte 13.04 m\u00c3\u00b6glichst umgehen, da ich mit der Version nicht warm werde..daher 12.04. \n L\u00c3\u00b6sung gefunden.. hatte nur das Paket linux-headers-3.8.0-27 installiert, nicht das mit -generic dahinter. Jetzt gehts! :) \n moin\n moin\n nutze ein kleines netbook mit hostapd als wlan ap. geht gut. nur h\u00c3\u00a4tte ich gerne statistiken wie in der fritzbox. ntop sagt mir nicht wirklich zu. kennt jemand alternativen?\n vnstat\n https://paste.xinu.at/2xTOa/\n Title: stdin (at paste.xinu.at)\n w\u00c3\u00bcrde ja am liebsten noch sehen welche clients sich wann angemeldet haben, aber das ist wohl ne sache von hostapd, was?\n sollte sich relativ leicht was zusammenbasteln lassen. :) iw dev wlan0 station dump ist mein freund\n Abend die Herren\n ich h\u00c3\u00a4tte kurz eine Frage ich betreibe einen Linux Server auf meinen Micro HP Server und arbeite derzeit \u00c3\u00bcber SSH mit IHm, nun h\u00c3\u00a4tte ich gerne m\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit \u00c3\u00bcber die graphische Oberfl\u00c3\u00a4che zu arbeiten \u00c3\u00a4hnlich wie mit rdp unter Windows gibts da was?\n Turkelton: vnc\n habe ich schon versucht komme aber nicht mit dem watcher auf den server\n ,uss ich das noch in ubuntu aktvieren?\n Turkelton: hast du den vnc server denn gestartet?\n wird der nicht automatisch gestartet?\n Turkelton: y u no google? perfekter guide hier: http://forum.nas-portal.org/showthread.php?1231-Ubuntu-Server-mit-Ubuntu-Desktop-und-VNC\n perfekt vielen dank!\n ich versuche mit \"screen\" in einer ssh session unterschiedliche screen Sitzungen anzusprechen. laut wiki sollte das Umschalten mit \"screen -r Sitzungsname1\" oder \"screen -r Sitzungsname2\" funktionieren. Leider kommt dabei immer die Meldung:\n solltest du eine beschriebene zeile nicht finden.. der guide ist von 2008. eventuell wurde das schon gefixt. try'n'error :)\n laut wiki soll \"screen\" dazu geeignet sein, \n There is a screen on:\n 6373.sitzung1 (02.08.2013 20:18:27) (Attached)\n There is no screen to be resumed matching sitzung1.\n passt: machs doch mit der pid\n also screen -r 6373\n was nicht gehen wird da er attached ist. also vorher screen -d 6373\n danke, das attached war es\n wie kann ich denn abfragen in welcher sitzung ich mich gerade befinde?\n das kann ich dir nicht sagen ^^\n hoi, k\u00c3\u00b6nnt ihr mir helfen bluetooth zum laufen zu bringen? ich hab das einmal am laufen gehabt (zuf\u00c3\u00a4llig bei einem boot enddeckt nach dem ich viel probiert habe und blueman installiert habe) aber jetzt geht es wieder nicht ... \n mmm3: mit mehr infos sicherlich. was f\u00c3\u00bcr ein bluetoothmodul ist verbaut? taucht es bei lsusb / lspci auf? ist es bei rfkill eingeschaltet?\n http://pastebin.com/6S7TQ4kR\n Title: a guest - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)\n http://pastebin.com/sVQ0CR0g\n Title: a guest - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)\n ist eine intern verbautes modul... hab aber auch ein stick der nicht funzt\n mmm3: lsusb und sudo rfkill list?\n hey ho, sachtmal, folgendes: http://pastebin.com/RvJgHC5N unter 13.04, eine USB Platte von Toshiba...\n Title: [ 266.233468] usb 1-1.2: new high-speed USB device number 6 using ehci-pci [ - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)\n http://pastebin.com/rnymh0Fc http://pastebin.com/M6t5ZJ6v\n Title: a guest - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)\n nix fdisk geht nix nix mount geht nix. \n Hypfer_on_W7: dieses ideapad bluetooth ist neu, kann das vom blueman kommen ?\n mmm3: n\u00c3\u00b6, kann es nicht. also so wie ich das sehe hast du bluetooth und es ist auch an und wird erkannt\n ist bestimt nur die gui die nicht geht\n Hypfer_on_W7: hcitool -i hci0 scan Invalid device: Network is down\n hm\n ich hab keine ahnung ^^\n kubine: hast du noch nen rat parrat , danke Hypfer_on_W7 \n * mmm3 rebootet mal kurz\n xrdp gibts niocht mehr oder\n MrTurkelton: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=xrdp&searchon=names&suite=raring§ion=all\n Title: Ubuntu \u00e2\u0080\u0093 Package Search Results -- xrdp (at packages.ubuntu.com)\n re\n wb\n also mein bluetooth dongle funzt jetzt 1a\n aber das l\u00c3\u00b6st mein prob nicht ^^ sch\u00c3\u00a4tze treiber sache\n hab n bug mit der usbid gefunden mmm3.. irgendwas von wegen wird nicht richtig erkannt. habs aber geschlossen und code grad an was. google am ebsten mal die usbid :)\n was ist die usb id Hypfer_on_W7 o.O\n mmm3: lsusb in der zeile mit bluetooth sonstwas xxxx:xxxx\n wobei xxxx zahlen und buchstaben sein k\u00c3\u00b6nnen\n ok thx\n mmm3: 0cf3:3005\n habs danke\n wenn jemand grausam schlechten code in bash sehen m\u00c3\u00b6chte gibts bald auf github mein statistics script mit webinterface f\u00c3\u00bcr hostapd :)\n Hypfer_on_W7: grausam schlechten code schau ich mir gerne an ;)\n sch\u00c3\u00a4tze es gibt kein fix f\u00c3\u00bcr das bluetooth dings.... fr\u00c3\u00bcher ging das teil mit ubuntu... hatte glaube ich damals 12.04 druff\n kann ich den neusten kernel einfach installieren ? oder muss ich den f\u00c3\u00bcr ubuntu vorgegeben benutzen?\n 3.8.0-27 hab ich druff\n ulli: https://github.com/Hypfer/hostapd-statistics\n Title: Hypfer/hostapd-statistics \u00c2\u00b7 GitHub (at github.com)\n ich k\u00c3\u00b6nnte kotzen ^^ apple tastatur wird als numpad erkannt wenn ich mich mit der \u00c3\u00bcber das bluetooth dongle verbinde\n nichts geht wieder einmal.... stunde fixen bevor man mit dem arbeiten kann\n *loslegen kann\n ulli: auf einer skala von 0 bis oliver pocher.. wie grausam ist der code? ^^\n Hypfer_on_W7: Hast Du ein konkretes Ubuntu-Support-Problem?\n bekks: im moment nicht, nein ;)\n Dann verlagere dein Offtopic doch auch bitte nach #ubuntu-de-offtopic :)\n irgendwas mache ich falsch jede remote software die ausprobiere funktioniert niocht oder ist langsam wie sau. Bei meinen Windows Servern geht das ohne Rucklen via RDP gibts nichts vern\u00c3\u00bcnftiges f\u00c3\u00bcr linux? Habe keine lust mir den veralteten home server von ms zu hohlen f\u00c3\u00bcr zuhause\n Erstens ist RDP alles, aber garantiert nicht vern\u00c3\u00bcnftig. Das Protokoll ist toller Irssinn, die Performance v\u00c3\u00b6llig untauglich, und die Kompatibilit\u00c3\u00a4t ist genau gar nicht gegeben. Zweitens gibt es sehr brauchbare L\u00c3\u00b6sungen, wie zum Beispiel FreeNX oder nxserver/nxclient.\n kurze frage^^ : wie kann ich mit xchat einem irc server beitreten?\n irc://irc.oftc.net:6667\n DaBootO: Trags in die Serverliste ein.\n wo ist die serverliste? is das ne .inf datei?\n .ini oder sonstiges\n mich wunders halt das ich bei vnc nur rukler und miese performance haben trotz 1Gigbit Lan Leitung dann mach ich mich mal auf die saauche nach freenx\n DaBootO: Die Serverliste ist ein Men\u00c3\u00bceintrag.\n der kann mit welchem command aufgerufen werden?\n DaBootO: Mit der Maus. Im Men\u00c3\u00bc herumklicken.\n MrTurkelton: VNC hat Dutzende von Optionen, die fast alle die Performance betreffen. Und das kann man dann zus\u00c3\u00a4tzlich noch beschleunigen, wenn man VNC durch SSH tunnelt, und SSH Kompression benutzt.\n @bekks meinst du mit men\u00c3\u00bc links die liste?\n xchat hat oben - wie fast alle graphischen Applikationen - ein Men\u00c3\u00bc-\n hmm...\n ja das ist mein problem ^^ normal steht da ja IRC Bearbeiten usw.\n aber seit ich auf ubuntu gewechselt hab steht da nichts ^^\n Dann musst du weiter oben gucken, weil mit Unity die Men\u00c3\u00bcs GANZ oben sind.\n ich reinstalliers mal ^^ habs per \"apt-get install xchat-gnome\" installiert. is das ok?\n Wozu das?\n bekks: ja ich wei\u00c3\u009f wie z.B bei firefox usw oder?\n Das ist kein Windows, das hilft nichts.\n ja aber \"purge xchat-gnome\" vllt wurd ne datei nicht geladen\n Du hast kein xchat, sondern xchat-gnome. Deinstallier das, und installier xchat.\n Und \"vllt. wurde eine Datei nicht geladen\" ist Quatsch, weil dir das bei der Installation gesagt worden w\u00c3\u00a4re. Das ist kein Windows.\n ^^ ok vllt ist das der fehler. Ich danke dir :)\n tut mir leid bin neu im linuxwesen... \n Es heisst \"vielleicht\". :)\n tut mir leid. hab mir das \"vllt\" angew\u00c3\u00b6nt. ich hoffe es hat nicht zu sehr gest\u00c3\u00b6rt :)\n angew\u00c3\u00b6hnt*\n Ja ok, jeder satzanfang wird gro\u00c3\u009f geschrieben ;) Ein bisschen freiheit kann man sich doch lassen ^^\n der tipp mit freenx sieht sehr gut bisher aus! Vielen Dank\n bekks: danke f\u00c3\u00bcr deine hilfe. Sch\u00c3\u00b6nen Abend noch euch allen :)\n bis demn\u00c3\u00a4chst\n ich habe zwei Targets mit \"iscsiadm -m node -l\" verbunden. wie kann ich feststellen welches target welcher disk zugeordnet ist\n ?\n hallo, wie kann ich bei firefox einstellen das ich nicht st\u00c3\u00a4ndig an fehlende plugins erinnert werden will?\n ubuntu ist geil, he?\n#ubuntu-de 2013-08-03\n Moin. Wo speichert Firefox sein Tempor\u00c3\u00a4res Zeug. Hab das schon seit Jahren nie gel\u00c3\u00b6scht. Mich w\u00c3\u00bcrde der Pfad interessieren\n ~/.mozilla\n du kannst die sqlite datenbanken aufr\u00c3\u00a4umen, das hilft\n sowas wie: http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/view/3147/cleanup-firefoxs-database.\n Title: Cleanup firefox's database. | commandlinefu.com (at www.commandlinefu.com)\n aber keine ahnung ob man das noch manuell machen muss ober obs da schon ein tool in ff f\u00c3\u00bcr gibt, gibt bestimmt ein addon f\u00c3\u00bcr sowas\n Unter ~/.mozilla ist fast leer. 1MB\n ah.. quatsch\n /home/dreamon/.mozilla/firefox/Profiles/tqejaail.default/Cache/\n jo aber cache leeren kannste auch in ff selbst\n und danach wie gesagt einfach mal vacum auf die sqlite files\n Ich hab das noch nie gel\u00c3\u00b6scht und wunder mich, das es nur 250MB sind. hmm.\n dreamon_: der cache hat nur ne bestimmte gr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fe\n der ff r\u00c3\u00a4umt da selbst auf\n Hmm.. schon wieder eine Arbeit weniger. sonotos -> Danke\n gern\n hey gibt es irgendwo noch ein repo f\u00c3\u00bcr libre office 3.x ? bitte nicht sagen 4. es gibt hier ein haufen base programme die mit 4 nicht mehr laufen also muss ich leider 3 nehmen\n imox: https://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=deb-x86_64&version=3.6.7&lang=de\n Title: LibreOffice Productivity Suite Download \u00c2\u00bb LibreOffice (at www.libreoffice.org)\n imox: das ist ein archiv voller .deb pakete, einfach alle installieren. auch die im untervertzeichnis debian-menu (o.\u00c3\u00a4,). geht auch parallel zu libreoffice 4 aus den repos.\n ok danke\n und n\u00c3\u00a4chstes mal bei so trivialen fragen bitte erstmal selbst suchen\n hab ja nach ner repo gesucht ;) \n aber gibts warscheinlich nicht mehr \n hi\n ppq: wurden alle fehlerfrei installiert\n aber kannst nicht starten ;( \n libreoffice-common fehlen soll ich die \u00c3\u00bcber apt-get installieren oder sind dass die dann f\u00c3\u00bcr die 4er?\n exit\n moin\n ich habe im bios und im linux denselben stromverbrauch, eigentlich sollten da doch stromsparmechanismen greifen? muss man da noch was aktivieren?\n wie stellst du denn den stromverbrauch im bios fest? Mit einem Wattmeter vor dem Rechner?\n stevieh: jo\n naja, ich vermute, sehr viel weniger als im bios wird ein rechner kaum verbrauchen k\u00c3\u00b6nnen, da keine last, noch kaum hw aktiv etc. pp. du wirst ihn eher im Regelbetrieb mit viele 3D Perfomance, viel CPU und viel Platte hochbringen k\u00c3\u00b6nnen.\n stevieh: naja aber im bios greifen doch die ganzen stromsparmechanismen der cpu nicht. deswegen h\u00c3\u00a4tte ich unter linux niedrigeren verbauch erwartet\n lux3_: wenn nur ein kern gebraucht wird und der haupts\u00c3\u00a4chlich idlet, was willst du noch erwarten? Ists unter Win sehr viel besser?\n um wieviel Watt reden wir denn?\n stevieh: 100w\n unter win hab ichs noch nicht getestet\n hoho, das ist viel ;-)\n h\u00c3\u00a4tte eher so ~60w erwartet\n was ist denn das f\u00c3\u00bcr ein Monsterrechner?\n vor allem eben im linux andere werte als im bios. im bios l\u00c3\u00a4uft die cpu ja volllast\n eigentlich ein sparsamer\n lux3_ schau dir unter linux doch mal den Verbrauch unter Last und im Stromsparbetrieb an.. da sollten sich aber eine paar eingesparte watt zeigen\n athlon 2 x2+ radeon 3650+hdd\n ich weiss nicht ob moderne CPUS im bios noch vollast laufen m\u00c3\u00bcssen.\n kA\n f\u00c3\u00bcr den rechner also zuviel watt meinst du?\n ich weiss von nix. meine laptops brauchen definitiv weniger ;-)\n lux3_, ich glaube nicht das BIOS und System im OS vergleichen kannst und solltest. Windows und Linux je unter Last und im idle w\u00c3\u00a4re da aussagekr\u00c3\u00a4ftiger.\n lux3_, und wie sehr man den idle anpassen kann\n beaver74: hm aber win xp kann die stromsparmechanismen vermutlich auch noch nicht\n lux3_, welche CPU hast denn da?\n lux3_, warum sollte xp die nicht k\u00c3\u00b6nnen?\n beaver74: athlon 2 x2 220\n ka, weil xp alt ist\n XP tut das, soweit ich wei\u00c3\u009f, schon ganz gut\n lux3_, unter 7 k\u00c3\u00b6nntest aber besser anpassen, afaik\n lux3_, unter Linux aber noch viel besser :)\n wie?\n lux3_, anfangen zu lesen.. ich kann dir das nicht alles auflisten, da l\u00c3\u00a4sst sich aber viel zum Thema finden.. hier zB - http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Strom_sparen\n Title: Strom sparen \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n lux3_, das sollte f\u00c3\u00bcr den ersten Input gen\u00c3\u00bcgen - http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Prozessortaktung\n Title: Prozessortaktung \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n ich versuch mal powertop, thx\n lux3_, welche Funktionen dein nicht mehr ganz aktueller CPU unterst\u00c3\u00bctzt, solltest du herausbekommen..\n beaver74: wie bekomme ich das heraus?\n lux3_, entsprechende Suchbegriffe in deine Suchmaschine eingeben\n lux3_, ne genaue Seite kann ich auch nicht nenne.. w\u00c3\u00a4re ziemlich genau auch meine jetzige vorgehensweise\n also runtertakten tut meine cpu ja, das wei\u00c3\u009f ich\n nur der stromverbrauch sinkt nicht\n lux3_, gut das mal mit so einem Wattmeter kontrollieren zu k\u00c3\u00b6nnen.. sollte er aber, dann musst da wo ansetzen und was machen\n lux3_, nur wo und was .. ist bei jeden rechner imho anders\n m\n vielleicht ist es auch die graka, die wird auch immer so hei\u00c3\u009f\n ja, zB\n lux3_, da sollte sich auch hier etwas finden lassen - http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Grafikkarten/ATI\n Title: ATI \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Grafikkarten \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n jo, lese grad das archwiki zum powersave aktivieren. aber scheinbar ist es schon aktiv\n # cat /sys/class/drm/card0/device/power_method\n profile\n ah ne warte ich muss noch mehr einstellen\n lux3_, da gint es viele \"Schalter\", die man sich mal ansehen sollte.. und speziell in dem Fall schlage ich dir schon die Ubuntu-Anleitungen vor. Da macht doch jeder sein eigenes Dingen, mehr oder weniger.\n *gibt\n hab \"# echo low > /sys/class/drm/card0/device/power_profile\" gemacht jetzt ist die gpu 6 grad k\u00c3\u00bchler\n 8\n ok mit low profil hab ich 13watt weniger stromverbrauch\n wie kann ich einstellen dass das low profil bei jedem booten eingestellt wird\n lux3_, das oben genannte lesen?\n ah da stehts ja, thx\n lux3_, auch da gibt es nicht nur eine Antwort zu :)\n was meinst du?\n lux3_, es wird f\u00c3\u00bcr deinen speziellen FAll mehr oder weniger gute L\u00c3\u00b6sungen geben das Profil festzusetzen\n da steht aber nur was von rc.local?\n lux3_, dann mach das\n noch was: sind 78watt @idle f\u00c3\u00bcr einen athlon2 x2+radeon 3650+hdd normal? oder sollte das weniger sein?\n lux3_, d\u00c3\u00bcrfte f\u00c3\u00bcr das System passen.. kenne mich da aber weniger aus\n lux3_, die vga wird sich nicht gut in den Stromsparmodus versetzen lassen, und die CPU afaik auch nicht\n lux3_, auf die HDD hattest gewartet bis sich der Motor abschaltete?\n beaver74: nope, auf der hdd ist ja auch das os, die kann sich doch dann nicht abschalten?\n lux3_, ist richtig\n lux3_, ist dir denn bekannt mit welchem Takt die CPU im idle l\u00c3\u00a4uft.. und ob die da oft heraus geweckt wird? Das solltest mal pr\u00c3\u00bcfen..\n Luzifer, mehr wirst kaum machen k\u00c3\u00b6nnen, am Desktop\n ups\n beaver74: 800mhz, und nein wird kaum geweckt\n lux3_, h\u00c3\u00b6rt sich doch gut an\n lux3_, und der Verbrauch in Watt ist nicht gesunken?\n lux3_, also im Vergleich zur Volllast\n volllast von was meinst du?\n lux3_, du sagtest doch der rechner w\u00c3\u00bcrde im stromsparbetrieb nicht weniger Watt verbrauchen?\n lux3_, die Pakete von cpuburn k\u00c3\u00b6nnten da helfen\n *Programme\n welches burn** brauch ich da?\n burnMMX?\n .. kA, sollte aber m\u00c3\u00b6glich sein das herauszubekommen\n lux3_: fuer den Athlon2? ja.\n 100w braucht der rechner mit burnMMX volllast\n lux3_, sind doch jetzt zwei Werte wo sich ansetzen l\u00c3\u00a4sst\n lux3_: Hast du einen burnmmx gestartet oder mehrere? Du brauchst einen pro Core.\n lux3_, die VGA m\u00c3\u00bcsste jetzt auch noch ausgelastet werden\n sdx23: also laut top war 100% auslastung? top gilt doch f\u00c3\u00bcr beide cores?\n beaver74: gibts da nen gpubenchmark der in den repos ist?\n lux3_, welches genau kann ich dir nicht auswendig sagen, aber gibt es, ja\n lux3_, nicht so grafische wie unter Windows, aber kleine praktische die n Wert ausgeben und ihren Job tun\n nicht so gro\u00c3\u009fe grafische*\n Hallo alle miteinander, bei einem faikeraid wurde mittels fdisk eine logische partition erstellt; jetzt werden jedoch zwei eintr\u00c3\u00a4ge angezeigt: /dev/mapper/pdc_bgfahihiii1 und /dev/mapper/pdc_bgfahihiii5; mit welchem wird nun weiter gemacht und wozu ist der zweite eintrag?\n lux3_, in deinem Fall w\u00c3\u00bcrde imho ja auch ein flash Video im Browser ausreichen :)\n beaver74: flash nutzt doch nur die cpu und nicht die gpu?\n lux3_, ja, da wirst recht haben.. dacht nur die VGA wird nicht unbedingt inden idle gehen, aber das l\u00c3\u00a4sst sich wohl nicht si einfach bestimmen\n lux3_, falls deine VGA da etwas von kann und der Treiber das unterst\u00c3\u00bctzt.. m\u00c3\u00bcsste man auch pr\u00c3\u00bcfen.\n also mit dem tweak vom ubuntu wiki konnte ich die temp der gpu und den stromverbrauch senken\n lux3_, mir w\u00c3\u00bcrde da jetzt keine Webseite einfallen um die Kombinationen pr\u00c3\u00bcfen zu k\u00c3\u00b6nnen, sollte es aber geben.. denke ich\n hallo, auf einem Laptop mit 9300G Nvidia Chip habe ich ein Bild aber keinen Ton \u00c3\u00bcber HDMI. Ich bin mir nicht mehr 100% sicher, ob es mit Vista funktioniert hat, aber ich glaube schon. In der Soundsteuerung wird ein Digitales Ger\u00c3\u00a4t angezeigt und sonst finde ich keinen digitalen Soundanschlu\u00c3\u009f am Laptop.\n Anezeigt wird leider nur ein S/SPDIF Ausgang\n exoon, nvidia-Treiber? Was sagt `pactl list`? Ubuntuversion? Ist der richtige Ausgang in `alsamixer` sichtbar?\n dadrc, der empfohlene treiber vom hersteller, pact: nichts gefunden, 12.04, alsamixer: auch nur der S/PDIF\n Kein `pactl`?\n doch pactl sagt viel, aber nichts von hdmi. soll ichs paste binnnen?\n http://askubuntu.com/questions/305664/geforce-9300m-gs-hdmi-audio-not-working\n Title: nvidia - GeForce 9300M GS hdmi audio not working - Ask Ubuntu (at askubuntu.com)\n bin nicht der einzige\n leider ist dort keine l\u00c3\u00b6sung\n exoon, n\u00c3\u00b6, wenn kein HDMI drin ist\n aplay -l zeigt auch nichts an\n also nur den intel sound chip\n kann sein, dass ich gleich raus fliege, mache einen akku test.\n pass auf\n cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state scheint jetzt richtige werte zu liefern, aber m anfang ca. 60.000 mAh, ich denke deswegen ist das batterie applet durcheinander\n exoon, `aplay -l` auch nichts?\n dadrc, ne, nur eine intel soundkarte\n Wie hast du den Treiber denn installiert?\n zus\u00c3\u00a4tzliche treiber\n genau wie am pc, aber da geht alles\n vielleicht kann der 9300G kein audio\n W\u00c3\u00a4r seltsam, aber w\u00c3\u00bcrde erkl\u00c3\u00a4ren, warum die Karte garnicht auftaucht.\n beim pc bekomme ich auch mit lspci was angezeigt, hier nicht\n m\u00c3\u00bcsste nochmal die alte platte mit vista rein tun, um sicher zu sein.\n da der akku jetzt auch gleich leer sein d\u00c3\u00bcrfte mache ich das mal.\n bis sp\u00c3\u00a4ter\n Jo, gute Idee.\n nabend\n Spamm 4 EVEEEEEEEEEER ! ! ! HAHAHA\n spielverderber *hust* ;D\n hey, mal ne frage: meine mutter hat \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt keine Ahnung von Computern. Sie wird auch vermutlich nicht mehr damit klar kommen in n\u00c3\u00a4chster zeit. ich zieh bald aus, und damit verschwindet die m\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit ihre fotos zu ordnen. glaubt ihr man k\u00c3\u00b6nnte irgendwie ein skript schreiben, dass ihre Kamera-Speicherkarte erkennt, daraufhin einen Ordner erstellt, und dann alle Fotos aus der Karte hineinkopiert. anschlie\u00c3\u009fend alle Fotos\n Von hand wird sie das nicht hinbekommen\n oder gibts da evtl was idiotensicheres?\n !512 > ubuntuhorst \n ubuntuhorst: Ein IRC-Paket hat eine maximale Laenge von 512 Byte. Wenn deine Zeile zu lang ist, schneidet mein Client den Rest ab. Deshalb haben wir nur den Anfang deiner Zeile lesen koennen. Bedenke auch, dass ein Teil protokoll-intern genutzt wird und dir deshalb nicht die ganzen 512 Zeichen zur Verfuegung stehen. Auch die we\n bis \"anschlie\u00c3\u009fend alle Fotos\"\n anschlie\u00c3\u009fend alle Fotos von der karte entfernen.\n Entschuldige, habe ich nicht gewusst\n so manche Foto-Verwaltungen koennen Importe, aber wie gut und von wegen L\u00c3\u00b6schen weiss ich nicht.\n shotwell macht das ganz gut, bietet glaub ich auch an, nach dem Import die Bilder zu l\u00c3\u00b6schen\n Wenn man das einmal passend eingerichtet hat, alles gut\n hi\n kann shotwell das auch automatisch?\n jeder mausklick ist praktisch unzumutbar\n Glaube, es kann \"Habe Kamera gefunden, wolle importieren?\"\n Aber das kriegt man im Notfall auch noch geskriptet.\n mal probieren, danke\n ich glaube das mit dem skript ist am besten\n ich frag bei zeit mal im forum nach. f\u00c3\u00bcr den anfang: ist beim karte erkennen das stichwort udev-regel richtig? erinner mich dunkel an was\n jo, h\u00c3\u00a4tte ich jetzt auch gesagt.\n und die kombi udev-regel - bashskript sollte ja auch machbar sein\n jo\n ohje das sieht kompliziert aus..\n mit n bisschen zenity, mkdir, cp und rmdir wird das nicht funktionieren\n aber danke soweit :)\n Abend zusammen, hat hier jemand schon kubuntu auf ein macpro installieren k\u00c3\u00b6nnen? es gibt ja leider keien MAC DVD wie bei Ubuntu. Beim Starten kommt ein bildschirmfehler, ich sehe erst das richtige Hintergrundbild wenn ich auf den Powerkopf dr\u00c3\u00bccke und runterfahre\n Turkelton: installier einfach ubuntu, dann das metapaket kubuntu-desktop. dann kannst du nach dieser anleitung die ubuntu-spezifischen pakete entfernen und so zu einer jungfr\u00c3\u00a4ulichen kubuntuinstallation (version 13.04!!) kommen: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/pure-kubuntu-13-04/\n Title: Ubuntucat \u00c2\u00bb Blog Archive \u00c2\u00bb Pure Kubuntu 13.04 (at www.psychocats.net)\n hi, wie erstellt man einen alias bei dem die eingabe mitten in den befehl kommt. also wo ALIAS EINGABE nach befehl1 EINGABE | befehl2 expandiert\n wombad: das klingt nach einem bashscript nicht nach nem alias was du da versuchst\n leszek: als beispiel \"acsh paketname\" soll zu \"apt-cache show paketname | less\" werden. Das muss doch auch so gehen ohne Script. Gibts da nicht variablen? $1 oder so?\n also mit nem script w\u00c3\u00bcrde es einfach gehen mit $1 im alias glaub ich nicht, hab das da nie versucht\n mach halt 'ne Funktion in Bash draus, macht von der Nutzung ziemlich genau keinen Unterschied.\n \"function acsh { apt-cache show $1 | less; }\" in deiner .bashrc, alles gut\n ah cool, danke dadrc \n Das Semikolon am Ende ist \u00c3\u00bcbrigens wichtig, wenn das nicht da ist, zickt Bash rum.\n Ansonsten, gern :)\n Hallo zusammen, ich nutze Ubuntu 12.04 mit Unity und suche verzweifelt ein Tool, womit ich die Farben der Texte der Oberfl\u00c3\u00a4che \u00c3\u00a4ndern kann\n Unter Gnome war dies relativ einfach in den Einstellungen des jeweiligen Theme m\u00c3\u00b6glich\n thunder-storm: soweit ich wei\u00c3\u009f gibts das nicht. Editire doch einfach die Textdateien in /usr/share/themes\n * nicht mehr\n Gibt es da echt keine komfortable m\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit?\n hm, scheinbar nicht ;)\n#ubuntu-de 2013-08-04\n hallo\n Ubuntu mountet nicht mehr automatisch, wenn ich was anstecke. Woran kann das liegen?\n dreamon_: hast du es aus versehen abgestellt?\n stevieh, Zumindest nicht bewu\u00c3\u009ft. Ich hab ein IPod angesteckt das ging noch.. dann wars vorbei.. Achja.. da war noch ein absturz wegen dem Ipod.. und danach wars weg\n Hab noch ein paar Sachen installiert wies im Wiki von Ipod steht.. aber in einer Config hab ich nichts gefummelt\n irgendwo gabs da mal ein H\u00c3\u00a4kchen glaub ich\n so, muss aber jetzt zum Zug\n gconftool-2 -g /apps/nautilus/preferences/media_automount -> steht auf TRUE .. hmm\n Ich reboote ma\n hallo. gestern hatte ich das problem, dass ich mit meiner nvidia-karte keine hdmi-sound-device hatte (lspci, aplay -l, alsamixer, etc.). Zur Sicherheit habe ich die hardware mit windows getestet und wei\u00c3\u009f, dass der hdmi sound auf jedenfall funktionieren sollte.\n verschiedene treiber habe ich schon ausprobiert.\n ohmann, gibt es keine anwendung die es erlaubt caldav auf das desktop zu integrieren, bis auf das 10\u00e2\u0082\u00ac teuere rainlendar-pro ?\n mmm3: ?\n k\u00c3\u00b6nnen nicht thunderbird und evolution caldav?\n ahso, auf dem Desktop...\n stevieh: doch das ist das einzige, was kleines wie ein desktlet w\u00c3\u00a4ren mir lieber,... :(\n sieht schick aus, aber mein desktop ist eh immer voll gefensterlt. \n stevieh: glaube thunderbird zeigt einem auch keine aufgaben an...\n mmm3: evolution tut das, synct die nicht mit google...\n @mmm3 nimm thunderbird und dazu das lightning addon, dann hast du caldav einwandfrei und kostenlos integriert\n hab kein google,\n mmm3 doch aufgaben gehen mit thunderbird und lightning\n okay habs jetzt mal angeworfen, schade das es nicht auf dem desktop geht, so hab ich das immer im blick -.-#\n wie bekomme ich denn AMD unsupported Hardware in der unteren rechten Ecke weg Ubuntu 13.04 Treiber Vesa Madison\n x-tract: wieso vesa? die hd5xxx werden eigentlich alle ganz gut vom radeon treiber unterst\u00c3\u00bctzt. darf ich mal dein /var/log/Xorg.0.log sehen?\n hi\n ich habe ein problem mit einer samba freigabe: das zugreifen darauf ist extrem lahm, woran k\u00c3\u00b6nnte das liegen\n habe dasselbe share auch auf nem rechner mit archlinux, da ist es schnell\n hallo\n ich habe folgende Frage: Wenn ich die neueste Version einer Software von der source selbst installieren m\u00c3\u00b6chte, muss ich dann die \u00c3\u00bcber ubuntu software center installierte (alte) version vorher entfernen?\n micky12: wenn du aus der source ein paket baust und das richtig versioniert ist, nicht.\n micky12: in einzelf\u00c3\u00a4llen kann das n\u00c3\u00b6tig sein, aber probier es einfach erstmal so. \u00c3\u00bcbrigens musst du selbstkompilierte software nicht installieren. nach dem bauen kannst du sie direkt aus dem build verzeichnis heraus ausf\u00c3\u00bchren. dann gibt es sehr wahrscheinlich keine kollisionen\n build verzeichnis ohweia\n na der ort, wohin du den quellcode entpackt hast\n aso lol k\n dachte der legt die sachen irgendwo im system ab usr/bin etc\n erst mit 'make install'\n ah ok\n statt make install sollte man sowieso checkinstall nutzen, sonst versaut man sich die konsistenz der paketverwaltung\n (naja, gut, kommt auf's makefile an)\n allerdings kannst du in den meisten f\u00c3\u00a4llen bei ./configure - --prefix setzen, prefix setzt den pfad wohin 'make install' die gebauten dateien hinschieben soll\n bevor man software selbst kompiliert, sollte man sich eh erstmal ./configure --help zu gem\u00c3\u00bcte f\u00c3\u00bchren ( abh\u00c3\u00a4ngig von dem programm das du bauen m\u00c3\u00b6chtest kann ./configure variieren bzw. auch ganz anders aussehen/agieren)\n ok, danke f\u00c3\u00bcr alle infos, mit diesen und dem wiki artikel werd ichs schon schaffen :)\n hey, ich habe \u00c3\u00bcber dafont.com eine Schriftart runtergeladen und diese installiert. Jedoch steht zwar \"installed\", die schrift wird aber nicht angenommen\n Guten Tag zusammen. Ich wollte mir heute mal lubuntu auf meinem netbook installieren und hab gerade mal nach der btrfs installation geguckt. ist es unter 13.04 weiterhin notwendig die Partitionierung vorher per Tool vorzunehmen, oder kann das jetzt auch direkt \u00c3\u00bcber den Installer gemacht werden?\n BA7: zeigt xlsfonts die an?\n Hey ihr. Ich hab ein kleines Problem auf einem meiner server. Ich lasse ein cron laufen und die erstellten Dateien haben nur 600 permissions. Mir ist klar, dass die umask settings in der .bashrc und .profile hier nicht angewendet werden, aber selbst das manuelle setzen der umask vor ausf\u00c3\u00bchren der eigtl cron befehle funktioniert nicht. es kommt immer 600 raus. \n Ist es ein Problem, dass die Dateien nicht in der primary group des nutzers erzeugt werden?\n stevieh, xlsfonts?\n BA7: xlsfonts\n ist das mp4 file hier besch\u00c3\u00a4digt, oder brauche ich noch was au\u00c3\u009fer xine um es abzuspielen?\n eine fehler meldung bekomme ich per kommandozeile: Gleitkomma-Ausnahme (Speicherabzug geschrieben) h\u00c3\u00b6rt sich nicht nach einem codec problem an.\n \"Floating point exception, core dumped\" -- ziemlich sicher ein Playerproblem\n Mal VLC oder mplayer probiert?\n dadrc, ich sollte zum vlc player wechseln.\n Das dvb-s2 bild ist top, leider aber nur als standbild. bewegte bilder sehen vor allem auf tv trotz 1:1 zoom sehr bescheiden aus. Gegeneinander verschobene Bilder, nichtmal interlacing effekte. ich sch\u00c3\u00a4tze, da wird sich nichts machen lassen?\n Hallo =) Ich habe ein Problem mit meiner Grafikkarte. Hatte Ubuntu 13.04. installiert, wollte den Treiber von der AMD Seite f\u00c3\u00bcr meine HD 4670 installieren. Bekam immer die Fehlermeldung das ein anderer bereits installiert sei. Habe etwas herumprobiert bzw. fglrx installiert, deinstalliert usw. Jetzt bekomme ich beim Booten des PCs kein Bild bzw. nur ein schwarzes... Viel schlimmer aber... ich kann nichtmal mehr das BIOS sehen...\n als wenn die grafikkarte einen weg hat. kann dann aber blind f8 dr\u00c3\u00bccken und \u00c3\u00bcber den usb live cd stick booten und dann habe ich bild und alles?!\n hab das bios per jumper auch schon einmal resettet\n irgendjemand eine idee was da los sein kann?\n helpmegfx: Das BIOS ist doch lange vor Ubuntu. Wenn Du schon kein BIOS siehst hast Du wohl ein Problem mit Grafikkarte oder Monitor (oder Kabel dazwischen)\n ja eben. da sollte ja bild sein. aber wenn ich \u00c3\u00bcber den usb stick die linux live starte habe ich bild\n helpmegfx: laut http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Grafikkarten/ATI/fglrx wird die HD 4670 nicht mehr durch AMD unterst\u00c3\u00bctzt\n Title: fglrx \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ATI \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Grafikkarten \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n somit der Treiber mit der Grafikkarte nicht kompatibel\n helpmegfx: Vielleicht hast Du ja durch das wegen \"etwas herumprobiert\" den Monitor geschossen.\n hab ich mir denn irgendwie ne \"firmware\" oder so zerschossen? weil mich das wundert, das ich kein bios bild mehr bekomme, aber beim booten bild kommt?!\n ne monitor und grafikkarte laufen nach dem boot\n brainwash: zumindest der legacy treiber sollte die 4*** noch k\u00c3\u00b6nnen\n Moment. Die Installation der Treiber ist auch ein Problem... aber mir geht es eher darum, warum bekomme ich kein BIOS mehr angezeigt selbst beim pausieren oder \u00c3\u00a4hnlichem tut sich gar nix. Beim booten des PCs bzw. \u00c3\u00bcber USB Stick zeigt er dann alles an\n lux3_: dann w\u00c3\u00a4re 12.04 aber die bessere wahl\n brainwash: einmal im halbjahr wird der legacy afaik aktualisiert, sollte also auch mit aktuellen ubuntu versionen gehen\n lux3_: laut AMD jedoch nicht\n deswegen ja \"legacy\" treiber\n sicher? ich meine einmal im halbjahr kommt ein update und das unterst\u00c3\u00bctzt dann wieder aktuelle kernel/Xorg\n bisher wurde doch nur ein minimales update ver\u00c3\u00b6ffentlicht, auf druck von valve, um die kompatibilit\u00c3\u00a4t mit steam zu verbessern\n ansonsten wurden die genannten modelle aussortiert und nicht mehr seitens AMD unterst\u00c3\u00bctzt\n brainwash: kann ich mir eigentlich gar nicht vorstellen, aber mal gucken..\n http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/legacy/Pages/legacy-radeon_linux.aspx\n Title: AMD Catalyst\u00e2\u0084\u00a2 Driver for AMD Radeon\u00e2\u0084\u00a2 HD 4000, HD 3000 and HD 2000 Series (at support.amd.com)\n hallo leute, jemand da der mir per pm vielleicht mit dem teamviewer 8 auf ubuntu-12.04-precise-minimal helfen kann, ich sehe den server remote online, kann aber nicht connecten! und wenn ich den teamviewer am server starte, schliesst er sich gleich wieder ! bitte um hilfe!\n brainwash: hm nur bis kernel 3.4, das w\u00c3\u00a4r in der tat zuwenig. oder gibts hacks/patches damit er auf neueren auch l\u00c3\u00a4uft?\n lux3_: graphics stack downgraden und den treiber mit entsprechenden patch installieren\n ein PPA ist auch verf\u00c3\u00bcgbar\n dann gehts ja noch\n aber die karten funzen mit dem freien radeon treiber doch auch ganz gut, warum dann nicht einfach den verwenden?\n die alten karten*\n das powermanagment ist grausam\n erst mit aktuellem kernel wurde es deutlich verbessert\n habs mal aktiviert und der verbrauch ging 20w runter, ist das mit dem catalyst besser?\n na dann, aktuelles ubuntu->aktueller kernel, dann passts ja wieder\n h3ll: Ich f\u00c3\u00bcr meinen Teil w\u00c3\u00bcrd lieber hier schreiben. Fangen wir mal mit Deiner Fehlermeldung an: Sagt teamviewer irgendwas, wenn Du es aus dem Terminal heraus startest?\n @holger: nein, der dameon rennt per console ohne probleme\n also kernel 3.11 mit den n\u00c3\u00b6tigen firmware dateien\n h3ll: Per PM und teamviewer vermutlich eher nicht. Aber schilder doch mal Dein Problem genauer. Was versuchst Du wie und mit welchem Befehl? Welche Fehlermeldungen kommen.\n das sist ja das eigenartige an der gschichte, keine fehlermeldungen!\n lux3_: jedoch bleibt die performance des freien treibers weiterhin (teils deutlich) hinter dem catalyst\n h3ll: Mit welchem IRC-Programm bist Du denn online? hol d\u00c3\u00bcrfte f\u00c3\u00bcr Autovervollst\u00c3\u00a4ndigung ausreichen, und dann seh ich auch, dass Du mir schreibst.\n warte ich komm nochmal mit nem richtigen irc client !\n Bis gleich, h3ll.\n brainwash: jo aber solang man nicht spielt oder die graka sonst gro\u00c3\u009f fordert ist der freie treiber eigentlich ne gute alternative\n bin da \u00c3\u00bcber die ubuntu support site gearde drin, bis gleich\n lux3_: das stimmt, und er wird ja von monat zu monat immer besser :)\n brainwash: wird eigentlich die 7*** serie inzwischen auch schon gut unterst\u00c3\u00bctzt?\n aber jo, der treiber wird mal richtig gut denke ich auch\n lux3_: da m\u00c3\u00bcsste man die phoronix benchmarks mal zu rate ziehen, habe selber auch nur eine 4xxx 5xxx =S\n so, re\n Ok\n nun nochmal zu dem teamviewer\n ich habe keine fehlermeldungen\n h3ll: Ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde Dich nochmal bitten ein paar Dinge zu erz\u00c3\u00a4hlen:\n gerne, was m\u00c3\u00b6chtest du wissen\n h3ll: 1. Du m\u00c3\u00b6chtest Dich von Linux-zu-Linux verbinden?\n win->ubuntu\n ok\n bzw. alles auf ubuntu\n auch mobile\n Der Windowsclient l\u00c3\u00a4uft?\n ja\n gut\n den remote seh ich auch gr\u00c3\u00bcn\n Wie meinst Du das? Hat der Windowsteamviewerclient ein Signal f\u00c3\u00bcr den anderen Server oder wie?\n Wie meinst Du das? Hat der Windowsteamviewerclient ein Signal f\u00c3\u00bcr den anderen Server oder wie?\n \n hm\n ja, ich hab nen gr\u00c3\u00bcnen punkt\n Wie meinst Du das? Hat der Windowsteamviewerclient ein Signal f\u00c3\u00bcr den anderen Server oder wie?\n spamme ich hier grad?\n Ich hab glaub ich mehrfach einen Nachricht abgeschickt, kann das sein?\n eine kam doppelt\n Ja, die hab ich doppelt gesendet - mir wird sie in weechat grad _garnicht_ angezeigt\n Ich hatte das unl\u00c3\u00a4ngst schonmal.\n jo\n Naja, sollte das in Spam ausarten, schreibt es oder kickt mich schlimmstenfalls, ich k\u00c3\u00bcmmer mich sp\u00c3\u00a4ter drum.\n initctl start teamviewerd\n teamviewerd start/running, process 4502\n zur\u00c3\u00bcck zum Teamviewer, h3ll: Was steht in den Logdateien?\n der rennt, wenn ich das tool im gnome via xrdp starte, schliesst es! aber online ist er lauf windowsclient kontaktliste!\n d.h. Du loggst Dich von einem Client auf den Ubuntu-Rechner ein, startest dort dann einen Teamviewer und der bricht ab?\n genau\n Oh\n Wieso denn so kompliziert?\n seit 2 jahren neuland ;)\n hatte bis jetzt xrdp als remote verwendet, ist aber m\u00c3\u00bcll\n und das wollte ich \u00c3\u00a4ndern und stehe an\n Und direkt auf den Ubunturechner zugreifen kannst Du nicht?\n der steht in deutschland ich in wien :)\n ok\n hatte es schon hart beim aufsetzen\n Generell w\u00c3\u00bcrd ich statt dem propriet\u00c3\u00a4ren (und bei mir \u00c3\u00b6fter instabil gewesenen) teamviewer eher mal diverse VNC-Viewer testen\n ok\n bekomm ich da nen guten bild aufbau hin ?\n h3ll: was machst du denn auf dem remote ger\u00c3\u00a4t, wenn ich mal fragen darf?\n Soweit ich wei\u00c3\u009f braucht der teamviewer auch einen laufenden X-Server, VNC (und rdp auch nicht).\n stevieh webradio, mail/server, teamspeak, ftp alles was man so ben\u00c3\u00b6tigt\n dann l\u00c3\u00a4uft noch eine digital signage software drauf\n h3ll: ui, was denn f\u00c3\u00bcr eine?\n * holgersson w\u00c3\u00bcrde es komplett via ssh administrieren\u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n xibo\n holgersson jo irgendwann mach ich das sicher :)\n * ulli wuerde es so machen wie holgersson \n aber da passieren dann sachen allerweil :)#\n jemand von euch schonmal rtmpdump verwendet ?\n h3ll: Der Umstieg mag erstmal komisch sein, aber wenn Du einmal die Dinge an sich tust, hast Du viel weniger Fehler, teilweise mehr Performance (weil Du keine reisen GUI mehr brauchst) und seh roft auch erst ein wirkliches Verst\u00c3\u00a4ndnis, was eigentlich geht und was nicht.\n i7-3770 mit 16gig k\u00c3\u00b6nnte eine gui schon halten oder ?\n also ich hatte bisher keine probleme, ausser das der bildaufbau via xrdp zu windows ekelhaft ist !\n Core2Duo mit 4GB und einfach oft - IMHO - sinnlos ;)\n und man braucht fettes internet\n jo so wurde mir die kiste f\u00c3\u00bcr 49,90/monat verkauft\n 1gbit hab ich\n K\u00c3\u00b6nntest Du bitte das Plenken lassen, es liest sich anstrengend, h3ll.\n teamviewer mit 1mbit ist unbenutzbar\n wtf\n gerne\n du verwendest einen rootserver fuer vnc?\n oh je\n gui auf einem server ist vollkommen sinnbefreit\n weil die ganzen serverprogramme keine gui haben\n und dann in vnc einen terminal emulator laufen lassen ist nun ja\n ressourcenverschwendung.\n und ein elendiges gefrickel\n however\n sollte es nicht dennoch funktionieren ?\n nein, weil das alles endloses gefrickel ist?\n ich konnte einmal via teamviewer connecten, da hat mir der hoster ein modul angesteckt weil ich ein problem beim booten durch die firewall hatte !\n und ob du es glaubst oder nicht, ich dachte ich arbeite lokal\n ressourcen hin resscourcen her\n h3ll: wenn der hoster dir ein vkvm teil anstoepselt hast du in deinem system noch lange kein teamviewer\n oO\n warum nicht vnc? das ist in den repos\n und d\u00c3\u00bcrfte auch zuverl\u00c3\u00a4ssig arbeiten\n warum nicht openssh?\n das ist in den repos\n das duerfte auch zuverlaessig arbeiten\n ulli ich weiss\n und ist sinnvoll\n aber ich habs dann probiert\n und es funkten beide\n na wo liegt dann dein problem?\n jetzt gehts nicht\n ulli: wenn er lieber mit gui arbeitet lass ihn doch. terminal kann er sich ja sp\u00c3\u00a4ter einarbeiten\n jo genau\n lux_2: was will man mit einem server mit gui?\n ulli: ka, das muss h3ll wissen :)\n jo\n wenn ichs nimma brauch kommts weg :)\n hab ich vielleicht ein iptables problem ?\n je nach dem wie du iptables eingerichtet hast?\n h3ll: Plenken hei\u00c3\u009ft \u00c3\u00bcbrigens, ein - im Deutschen typographisch falsches - Leerzeichen vor der Interpunktion (. , ; ? !) einzuf\u00c3\u00bcgen.\n daf\u00c3\u00bcr gibts ein wort? Oo\n Ja, weil es zu viele tun :(\n tragisch .\n in der tat\n nun ist mir das auch bekannt!\n Sch\u00c3\u00b6n!\n lux_2: du plenkst auch\n ulli: schnellmerker, das war absicht\n Ein Trollversuch! :p\n also, genug geplenkt!\n her mit dem support!\n Hast Du doch, nimm VNC (OpenSource, GUI, in-den-Repos [TV wei\u00c3\u009f ich nicht]). Andernfalls klink ich mich hier aus.\n okay\n Hat jemand Erfahrung damit PFS im Apache zu aktivieren?\n t\u00c3\u00bcrlich\n Ich bekomme es aktuell nicht hin... geht es mit der apache version aus den repos?\n welche apache version\n Server version: Apache/2.2.22 (Ubuntu)\n lol, ney\n da ist von apache bis zu openssl alles zu alt\n ist das nicht die aktuellste aus den standard repos?\n ja und?\n OpenSSL 1.0.1 14 Mar 2012\n das sollte gehen ;)\n also muss ich ein anderes repo nehmen oder selbst compilieren?\n openssl ist auch zu alt\n openssl 1.0.1 hat \"initial tlsv1.2\" support\n w\u00c3\u00bcrde eher richtig 1.2 tendieren\n ich h\u00c3\u00a4tte gedacht, dass es unter ubuntu-server 12.04 LTS als standard m\u00c3\u00b6glich sein sollte...\n hmm.. kk\n f\u00c3\u00bcr apache und pfs? ney, fr\u00c3\u00bchestens 13.10\n openssl kann reichen, musst aber halt mit bugs rechnen\n dann gedulde ich mnich noch ein bisschen auf 14.04 LTS ;)\n Vielen Dank f\u00c3\u00bcr deine Hilfe! Ich suche schon seit 2h... ^^ und habe nirgends den hinweis gefunden ab welcher apache version das gehen sollte.\n 2.3.3 ca\n wobei pfs in 2.2 auch schon geht; allerdings nicht sinnvoll\n eg vulnerable gegen BEAST etc\u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n Okay, vielen Dank!\n vermutlich w\u00c3\u00a4re ich auch der empfehlung von SSL Labs gefolgt und h\u00c3\u00a4tte RC4 pr\u00c3\u00a4feriert\n rc4 ist keine schlechte empfehlung\n hallo\n ich bekomm bei apt-get immer den Fehler\n libunity-webapps0 h\u00c3\u00a4ngt ab von unity-webapps-service soll aber nicht installiert werden\n ach den\u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n : micky12: . Gib bitte folgenden 4 Befehle nacheinander in eine Konsole (jeweils gefolgt von ein paar ENTER): \"lsb_release -a\"; \"uname -a\"; \"sudo apt-get update\" und \"sudo apt-get dist-upgrade\". Kopiere dann alles (auch die eingetippten Befehlen und leeren Zeilen dazwischen). \u00c3\u009cber einen NoPaste-Service wie zB.: http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/ l\u00c3\u00a4dst Du das alles dann hoch und gibst uns den Link dorthin in den Kanal hier. Danke.\n Title: Neuer Eintrag \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Ablage \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at paste.ubuntuusers.de)\n micky12: kommt da noch was? Sonst wende zumindest ich mich erstmal wieder anderem zu \u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n nabend\n muss man beim partitionieren einer hdd mit 4k sektoren aufpassen oder macht gparted das mit dem alignment automatisch richtig?\n lux_2, gparted macht das automatisch. es ist voreingestellt auf align to mib, du kannst es auch auf zylinder oder nicht setzen\n Hey, wenn ich unter ubuntu 12.04 das Paket gnome-shell installiere, welche version wird dann installiert?\n Vlt hat es ja jemand getan und kann es mir verraten :) -> gnome-shell --version\n schau doch auf packages.ubuntu.com\n ubuntujosef, http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/gnome-shell\n Title: Ubuntu \u00e2\u0080\u0093 Details of package gnome-shell in precise (at packages.ubuntu.com)\n Danke\n Hey, ich installier grad 12.04, welche gr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fe sollte / haben?\n Home soll extra sein\n horst1234: Kommt drauf an, was f\u00c3\u00bcr Software Du haben willst. Bei mir reichen meistens 8 GB.\n horst1234: wenn du nicht an platz sparen musst sind irgendwas zwischen 10 und 15GB ok\n Und welches dateisystem muss / haben\n ext4\n !partitionierung | horst1234 \n http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Partitionierung\n Title: Partitionierung \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n Danke :)\n Home auch ext4? Davon steht nichts im artikel\n ja\n Danke, noch eine frage dann bin ich durch: f\u00c3\u00bcrs studium muss ich noch ne partition f\u00c3\u00bcr windows 8 frei lassen. Ist es egal wo die liegt ? ( ob anfang oder ende)\n windows will sehr gerne am anfang der platte sitzen\n ist eigentlich egal, aber ich pack die immer nach vorne. denk nur dran grub wieder zu installieren\n Aber dadurch wird mein ubuntu nicht irgendwie langsamer oder, nur weil es dann am ende liegt\n nein. das macht bei heutigen festplatten keinen unterschied mehr den man merkt\n Danke :)\n Super\n Hallo, kann man irgendwie alles, was mit unity zu tun hat, entfernen?\n hrdy: klar kann man die pakete deinstallieren. man sollte dann nur einen anderen desktop installieren wenn man eine GUI haben m\u00c3\u00b6chte\n bis demn\u00c3\u00a4chst\n#ubuntu-de 2014-07-28\n guten morgen\n Hallo, wei\u00c3\u009f jemand wo man Binaries von Chrome und Chromium herbekommt?\n Wie, Binaries? \n Liegt in /usr/lib/chromium-browser/, wenn du das Paket installierst\n dadrc, ich meine als tar archive, zum entpacken und starten\n morgen\n wenn ich sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade bei ubuntu 14.04 ausf\u00c3\u00bchre, sollte er doch auch den kernel aktualisieren?\n El_Presidente, warum ein dist-upgrade?\n sudo apt-get upgrade .... oder nicht?\n und ja, falls ein kernel-update anliegt, dann sollte es installiert werden.\n doev, na ja das dist-upgade sollte ja auch neue pakete installieren\n weil auf meinem notebook funktioniert das n\u00c3\u00a4mlich einwandfrei\n El_Presidente, denke schon, aber das habe ich noch nie benutzt.\n es wundert mich halt dass er bei mir nur die linux header aktualisiert\n aber linux image extra sowie linux image nicht\n gibts da ein metapaket das mir evtl. fehlt?\n Ich denke zu neuen Headern sollte es auch immer ein neues image geben, m\u00c3\u00b6glich dass das nicht so ist.\n metapaket installiert? \n doev: glaube, von Chrome gibt es einen tarball auf der Downloadseite von Google \n dadrc, ich habs jedenfalls nicht \"wissentlich\" deinstalliert\n dadrc, aber du hast recht linux-image-generic fehlt\n dadrc, beim chromium hat es sich erledigt, ich dachte erst die ftp seite geht nicht, aber dort passiert gerade etwas. F\u00c3\u00bcr den Chrome muss ich noch mal genau suchen.\n was brauch ich noch?\n Das sollte das Problem mit dem Kernel l\u00c3\u00b6sen \n okay danke dir\n dadrc, im software center sollte ich doch rausfinden k\u00c3\u00b6nnen wieso das paket weg ist oder?\n am 24. april wurde das deinstalliert ...\n genauso linux-generic\n dadrc, sollte ich nicht auch die binaries aus dem deb paket ziehen k\u00c3\u00b6nnen, ohne es zu installieren?\n doev: man dpkg :)\n hat etwas gedauert, chrome zu sagen, dass er als user starten soll, aber es l\u00c3\u00a4uft perfekt aus dem entpackten deb paket. danke.\n doev: dist-upgrade ist das, was man nutzen will.\n jokrebel, man will bei seiner lts bleiben.\n ubuntu ist nicht debian\n dist-upgrade macht keine versionswechsel.\n w\u00c3\u00bcrde es denn dann nur von lts zur n\u00c3\u00a4chsten upgraden?\n ok\n wie gesagt, nie probiert :)\n dist-upgrade installiert alle verf\u00c3\u00bcgbaren neuen pakete, auch wenn daf\u00c3\u00bcr neue abh\u00c3\u00a4ngigkeiten gezogen werden m\u00c3\u00bcssen\n wie zB bei Kernelpaketen.\n F\u00c3\u00bcr Versionswechsel gibt es do-release-upgrade\n doev: Nicht mal das\n Ich habe immer entweder \u00c3\u00bcber GUI oder mit upgrade die Updates eingestpielt.\n Tag auch, sag mal kann mir wer ein gutes Backup-Tool empfehlen, welches auch ggf, remote zugriff gestattet? \n axd, rsync evtl.\n wird das von chonical supportet? \n meinst du, ob es in den Quellen enthalten ist? ja\n okay, danke dir. Dann werde ich mal einen Blick drauf werfen. \n axd, http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/rsync\n doev: Danke \n Mein Notebook-Ton h\u00c3\u00b6rt sich an, wie von einem Roboter - total verzerrt. Da Blender noch einige Tage berechnen tut, will ich im Moment net Rebooten. Gibt es eine M\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit Audio zu reseten?\n dreamon, Ja, dern Sound-Server neu starten.. welchen du verwendest, wei\u00c3\u009f ich nicht.\n *den\n nagetier, Am besten f\u00c3\u00bcr beide.. alsa und pulseaudio. Ich hab schon mal beide verwendet.. \n dreamon, schau welche derzeit laufen\n wie finde ich das heraus?\n nagetier, Pulseaudio l\u00c3\u00a4uft als Prozess\n dreamon, ja, das kann sein.. und, half das Neustarten?\n nagetier, Wie neustarten.. ? \n pulseaudio --kill -> pulseaudio --start \n nagetier, ja das halt wirklich geholfen.. gr\u00c3\u00bcbel\n dreamon, http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/PulseAudio#Problembehebung , Abschnitt \"Reset\" sagt 'pulseaudio -k' .. gefunden mit \"pulseaudio neu starten\" :)\n nagetier, debuggen w\u00c3\u00a4re vielleicht interessant gewesen.. das kommt hier immer wieder vor\n jo, hier lief es auch bei Weitem nicht immer fehlerfrei\n nagetier, Hier spinnt es wenn skype einen Ton macht\n ui, Skype\n nagetier, Verwendest du nicht?\n dreamon: innerhalb von Skype l\u00c3\u00a4sst sich eine Menge einstellen, wenn ich mich recht entsinne\n dreamon: ich hatte es mal mit Skype unter Linux nach ein paar Wochen t\u00c3\u00bcfteln aufgegeben\n dreamon: allerdings lief es dann auch mal..\n nagetier, nicht wirklich .. steht \u00c3\u00bcber Pulseaudio und fertig. Wenn 14.04.1 drau\u00c3\u009fen ist, hoffe ich da\u00c3\u009f das Problem weg ist.\n dreamon: ich habe 14.04.1 seit ein paar Tagen drauf\n .. mit den ganz normalen Einstellungen die lubuntu mitbrachte\n Der abgespeckte Nautilus tut mir richtig weh.\n nagetier, Und wie l\u00c3\u00a4ufts.. Tonprobleme?\n dreamon: Moment, sorry.. ich verwechselte Skype mit TS3, mit dem hatte ich die Probleme zuerst\n dreamon: Wieso \"abgespeckt\"? Was vermisst Du was mal da war?\n jokrebel, Ich vermisse das F3, das man den Nautilus teilen konnte.. mit dem Tabbs komm ich nicht so klar.\n bin offline\n l\n ich habe mein anliegen bereits gestern geschildert. kurz und b\u00c3\u00bcndig: Ich will bei meiner SDSL Leitung den Downstream priorisieren, ich kann aber nur den Upstream priorisieren. Desshalb h\u00c3\u00a4tt ich mir gedacht miete mir einen Ubuntu Server mit 1gbit Anbindung wo ich dann Traffic Shaping mache mit einem GRE Tunnel. Soweit so gut. Das funktioniert aber nur wenn ich aufm Ubuntu Server NAT aktiviere, ansonsten wird nicht mein Download gedrosselt sondern komis\n cherweise mein Upload.\n default route geht 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 via 192.168.1.1 die ip vom gre interface\n das QoS Script sieht so aus. http://pastebin.com/S8DWbajg Eigentlich sollte doch mein Download limitiert und nicht mein Upload limitiert werden?\n cdb23: recht spezielles problem. Parallel k\u00c3\u00b6nntest du noch ein Topic bei ubuntuusers im forum ver\u00c3\u00b6ffentlichen\n ich versuche das mal zu verstehen\n cdb23: was erhoffst du dir von der prioisierung? Hast du parallel noch spezielle anwendungen laufen?\n ja ssh, rdp, teamviewer, telnet\n die sollen nicht langsam werden\n wenn jemand meint er m\u00c3\u00bcsse jetzt etwas gro\u00c3\u009fes downloaden\n cdb23: was soll vorrechte haben - upload oder download?\n ich h\u00c3\u00a4tt mir das so gedacht: beides. ssh, rdp, telnet etc werden auf beiden seiten up und download priorisiert\n rest soll mehr oder weniger best effort traffic sein\n ich will nur congestion verhindern, damit die echtzeit anwendungen funktionieren\n cdb23: Und Dein Router gibt sowas nicht her? Also mein ADSL-Router kann Dienste priorisieren. Und warum Telnet? *grusel*\n weil ich das f\u00c3\u00bcr die firma brauche\n remote arbeiten und so\n ja ich wei\u00c3\u009f is gru\u00c3\u009felig\n *gruselig\n ssh > telnet ;)\n erkl\u00c3\u00a4r das mal meinen kollegen\n also wer telnet \u00c3\u00bcbers Internet betreibt sollte entlassen werden.\n tja, er hat uns empfohlen \u00c3\u00bcber telnet einzusteigen \u00c3\u00bcbers inet weils \u00c3\u00bcberall verf\u00c3\u00bcgbar is gg\n is ja auch nur ein sys admin\n im LAN mag es ja tempor\u00c3\u00a4r (extrem Kurzzeitig nach spezieller freischaltung) ja noch angehn\n http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-225863-highlight-bandwidth.html <= kennst das schon cdb23 ? \n cdb23: ssh ist \u00c3\u00a4hnlich, aber in sicher.\n ja, \u00c3\u00bcber meine ubuntu server connecte ich nur mit ssh\n Nachteile\n Keine Sicherheitsfunktionalit\u00c3\u00a4ten \u00e2\u0080\u0093 es werden z. B. Passw\u00c3\u00b6rter im Klartext geschickt. Wegen Vollzugriff k\u00c3\u00b6nnen Hacker leichtes Spiel haben.\n made by telnet :>\n tja genau das hab ich ihm auch gesagt :D. er meinte das es egal sei :)\n aber ich schau mir jetzt erstmal den link an den du geschickt hast\n cdb23: So jemanden sollte man nicht als Sysadmin bezeichnen. Das ist gro\u00c3\u009f fahrl\u00c3\u00a4ssig.\n ich sags so: ich 1st lvl support er 2nd lvl\n cdb23: kenne mich mit dem thema nicht wirklich aus und habe nur ein bisschen buzzwort googeln betrieben :) Wahrscheinlich kennst das schon. Am ende steht halt noch limiting download bandwith\n cdb23: eigentlich m\u00c3\u00b6chtest du ja eine dienst prio\n PBeck ja das mit policing & limiting hab ich probiert, das betrifft aber nur wieder meinen upload\n cdb23: In solche Fu\u00c3\u009fstapfen treten zu m\u00c3\u00bcssen k\u00c3\u00b6nnte nach hinten losgehn \n jokrebel aber auch mein ISP is ein \"b\u00c3\u00b6ser junge\" denn auch der hat seinen cisco 888e router mit telnet configuriert kein ssh\n acl jeder darf zugreifen\n cdb23: Per LAN nach spezieller Freischaltung (wie bei Fritzboxen) ist aber ne wesentlich harmlosere Hausnummer.\n Hallo Freunde...mal ne ganz schneller Frage. selbst hinzugef\u00c3\u00bcgte Repos sind wo gespeichert? Ich meine da gabs doch nen Ordner in dem die alle stehen, oder?\n bei default config von dem modem/router darf aber jeder zugreifen :) dazu \u00c3\u00bcberall das gleiche pw vierstellig und benutzername der selbe\n wenn ich also ein paar ips von den anderen kunden scanne, so k\u00c3\u00b6nnte man schon ein bisschen schaden auch anrichten\n weil ein ahnungsloser kunde nix wei\u00c3\u009f etc\n David1977_: Du meinst die Liste der Paketquellen?\n jokrebel: jepp\n /etc/apt/sources.list?\n /etc/apt/sources.list.d/\n David1977_: Ja, und der Unterordner sources.list.d\n ok, danke\n cdb23: hat der link was gebracht?\n hm ich teste noch, aber mit shaping siehts schlecht aus\n http://www.linux-magazin.de/Online-Artikel/QoS-Differentiated-Services-unter-Linux/%28offset%29/4 dort gibts auch noch ein paar seiten (unten die links 1-4) dort werden dienste noch prioisiert\n is ja auch nur ein sys admin <-- seit diesem satz hab ich aufgeh\u00c3\u00b6rt an einer l\u00c3\u00b6sung zu denken\n ThreeM hi, tja ich wollt damit sagen iwie sind halt alle nur menschen und keine g\u00c3\u00b6tter\n klang so abwertend ^^ aber es wird offtopic. viel erfolg mit deinem vorhaben ^^\n nabend. ein upgrade von 12.04 auf 14.04 m\u00c3\u00bcsste\u00e2\u0084\u00a2 doch jetzt eigentlich m\u00c3\u00b6glich sein, oder?\n MisterX, \n huch\n MisterX, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2014-July/000188.html\n Users of Ubuntu 12.04 will soon be offered an automatic upgrade to\n 14.04.1 via Update Manager. \n musst dich wohl noch etwas gedulden, das wird nicht automatisch freigegeben\n gibt vielleicht noch probleme\n ah, okay\n merci\n#ubuntu-de 2014-07-29\n g'morgen\n Hallo! Habe mehrere Adressb\u00c3\u00bccher aus diversen Quellen im .ldif-Format gespeichert. Welches Tool/Programm w\u00c3\u00bcrdet Ihr empfehlen, um diese zusammenzuf\u00c3\u00bchren und m\u00c3\u00b6glichst automatisch doppelte Eintr\u00c3\u00a4ge zu entfernen bzw. alte durch neuere zu ersetzen?\n Woher soll denn ein Tool wissen, was ein alter und was ein neuer Eintrag ist?\n bekks: Okay, Gedankenfehler. Gibt es irgendetwas Bequemes, bei dem die Adressb\u00c3\u00bccher zusammengef\u00c3\u00bchrt werden und ich bei doppelten gefragt werde, welche die aktuellere ist?\n klnigt nach http://ldiftools.sourceforge.net/\n ldifmerge aus ldiftools\n bekks: sieht gut aus. Werde ich mal probieren. Danke!\n hey\n wie kann ich die / partion vergr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fern \n Offline, mit einer gparted live cd\n gparted bietet mir das nicth an etwas anzuhaengen \n Offline, mit einer gparted live cd\n um mal bekks zu guttenbergen\n ahha \n \"/\" darf nicht eingeh\u00c3\u00a4ngt sein\n Pation magic\n ppq: :)\n Perzeus: an partition kann nichts angeh\u00c3\u00a4ngt werden --- nur verschieben, kopieren oder gr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fe \u00c3\u00a4ndern\n Perzeus: Nein. Gparted live. Nicht \"partion magic\".\n gparted live habe ich aber nicht\n aber partion magic\n Dann lade sie Dir herunter? Und das Ding heisst Partition Magic. :)\n gpartee\n mal auf die suche gehen \n gparted ist bei ubuntu iso mit enthalten!\n du kannst auch eine ubuntu live cd/stick nutzen. nur halt nicht von der platte booten die du verwursteln willst\n gparted habe ich drauf\n Du musst die _live_ _cd_ booten.\n Sagte man Dir bereits zweimal,\n \"/\" darf nicht eingeh\u00c3\u00a4ngt sein\n erstmal mal downloaden \n schon klar \n haengt die live cd nicht automatisch / ein \n Nein.\n dann musst du es erst wieder aush\u00c3\u00a4ngen\n das kann man ja in gparted einfachst aush\u00c3\u00a4ngen. genau wie die /swap\n das ist f\u00c3\u00bcr manchen wohl schon zu schwer, k1l_ :)\n auch wenn ich auf dem / gerade arbeite geht das doch nicht\n Perzeus: Deswegen brauchst du die live cd.\n ok\n Perzeus: du willst deine daten also vernichten\n moment\n ok bin dannmal weg drueckt mir die daumen \n ;-)\n * bekks dr\u00c3\u00bcckt nichts. :)\n Hi! Kann mir bitte jemand sagen, welche Datei ich kopieren muss, damit ich die Netzwerkkonfiguration von einem Kubuntu auf ein anderes kopieren kann?\n ich h\u00c3\u00a4tt gesagt /etc/network/interfaces\n nope\n Das muss doch was im Benutzerverzeichnis sein..\n also bei meinem ubuntu server isses /etc/network/interfaces wenn mich nicht alles t\u00c3\u00a4uscht ist das doch eine systemeinstellung\n cdb23ax, aber nicht f\u00c3\u00bcr den network-manager\n BaraMGB, http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/NetworkManager#Konfigurationsdateien\n warum nicht einfach dort dann neu konfigurieren? So viel Aufwand ist das nun auch wieder nicht und da dort vermutlich eine andere Netzwerkkarte und absolut warscheinlich eine andere MAC-Adresse vorhanden ist ist neu einrichten einfacher.\n jokrebel_: weil er sich nicht mit dem WLAn verbindet. Ich wei\u00c3\u009f nicht warum. Ich hab hier nen 13.10 und nen 14,04 drauf. Das 13.10 verbindet, das 14.04 nicht. Ich will jetzt die config datei kopieren.\n 14.04 und 13.10 auf dem selben Rechner mit selber Hardware? 13.10 geht, 14.04 nicht?\n jokrebel_: genau\n Was f\u00c3\u00bcr WLAN Karte?\n Wenn du mir den Befehl sagst, mit dem ich das rauskriege, dann sag ichs dir ;)\n BaraMGB: Was sind die Eckdaten des Routers? Kanal? 802.xx-Protokoll? Verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselung (WPA? WPA2? oder beides?)?\n BaraMGB: lsusb vermutlich (ggf. auch lspci)\n BaraMGB, lspci\n Eigentlich will ich nur die config Datei kopieren.\n mach wie du meinst\n Und die kennt hier keiner... okay .. danke\n BaraMGB, ich habe dir oben einen link gepostet\n * jokrebel_ empfiehlt Ursachenforschung statt dem Versuch Symtome zu bek\u00c3\u00a4mpfen.\n mrkramps: Den Ordner .gconf/system gibts bei mir nicht.\n ach ja. Sonderzeichen in SSID oder WLAN-Passwort haben auch schon Verdindungsversuche verhindert.\n jokrebel_: sind nur Zahlen\n Wer sagt denn, dass die Config von 13.10 f\u00c3\u00bcr 14.04 passt?\n jokrebel_: Das werde ich nur herrausfinden, wenn ichs versuche ;)\n In all den Jahren hats funktioniert.\n BaraMGB, dann liegen sie au\u00c3\u009ferhalb des homeverzeichnisse in /etc/NetworkManager/\n BaraMGB: ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde fast ne wette abschliessen da\u00c3\u009f dem 14-04 die firmware f\u00c3\u00bcr die wlankarte fehlt\n vermutlich in system-connections/\n und nicht ein config\n hatte das auch schon (bei einem 10.04 allerdings): er sieht alle wlans.\n kann aber zu keinem wpa2 verbinden \n wpa ging\n Loetmichel, er will keine l\u00c3\u00b6sung, er will die dateien\n nachdem ich die firmware ausm windwstreiber extrahiert habn gings\n frag mic aber nicht wie das ging\n da gabs eine anleitung zu f\u00c3\u00bcr die alten treiber\n ich h\u00c3\u00a4tte ja zumindest nach einer nativen firmware gesucht\n * jokrebel_ glaskugelt einen BCM43-Chipsatz\n jokrebel_: weiss nimmer\n m\u00c3\u00b6glich w\u00c3\u00a4rs\n lustig war: wenn man vorher win gebootet hat und dann reboot in 10.04 ohne ausschalten lief das wlan\n mrkramps: Jeder wie er meint. Ich weis jedenfalls nicht wo die Datei(en?) liegen. Brauchte die noch nie h\u00c3\u00a4ndisch anzufassen.\n der win-treiber entl\u00c3\u00a4d offensichtlich nciht die firmware aus dem wlanchipset\n !offtopic > Loetmichel \n mrkramps: nix\n sehr ontopic wenn er das gleiche problem hat\n zu \"diagnosezwecken\"\n (auch mein) stochern im Nebel ist aber schon Topic-Grenzwertig ;-)\n ja, w\u00c3\u00a4re leichter wenn BaraMGB mal sagen w\u00c3\u00bcrde welches chipset sein wlan benutzt\n ... oder nachguggt und dann seober googled obs da firmwarefu** gibt bei 14.04\n Loetmichel: ist nen BCM43xx\n hihi\n wusst ichs doch *Glaskugel streichel*\n jokrebel_: und nun? \n https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx\n BaraMGB: Dir fehlt die passende Firmware. Siehe http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/WLAN/Broadcom_bcm43xx\n BaraMGB: Per LAN-Kabel installieren und gl\u00c3\u00bccklich sein.\n suche einfachen screenrecorder mit trayicon und das aufgenommene sollte danach nicht erst irgendwie konvertiert werden m\u00c3\u00bcssen, kennt jemand da ein empfehlenswerte prog?\n simple screen recorder\n https://launchpad.net/~maarten-baert/+archive/ubuntu/simplescreenrecorder\n yz3pD, http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Screencasts\n ist nicht inn den offiziellen repos?\n yz3pD: villeicht alte Version\n na ... ich bin da ja eher zu vorsichtig wenn es darum geht ppas hinzuzuf\u00c3\u00bcgen\n aber wo ich schonma gefragt hab: ging ein screen record nicht auch mit ffmpeg bzw. neuerdings avconv ?\n yz3pD, auch das\n oder vlc\n ist alles in dem verlinkten artikel erkl\u00c3\u00a4rt\n yz3pD, steht in dem artikel, den dir mrkramps verlinkt hat ;)\n yz3pD: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Screencasts\n an vlc hatte ich noch garnicht gedacht das ist nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich auch genial\n thx f\u00c3\u00bcr den link, arbeite ich gleich ab\n BaraMGB: Bist Du weiter mit Deinem Problem?\n ja schon\n habs grad mmit vlc probiert\n jokrebel_: nee, ich bin gerade auch noch auf Arbeit und hab grad zu tun. Geht gleichbald weiter..\n wenn ich jetzt den inhalt vom screen wiedergeben lasse, komme ich nicht mehr an den aufnahmr button\n also im vlc\n vlc nicht im systray?\n doch\n ich bin auf medien\u00e2\u0086\u0092aufnahmeger\u00c3\u00a4t \u00c3\u00b6ffnen\u00e2\u0086\u0092desktop\u00e2\u0086\u0092wiedergabe gegangen\n ja, und?\n ich hab diesen roten aufnahmebutton bei mir neben play oder gibt es eine andere speicherm\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit\n im systray find ich keine rec function\n yz3pD: http://wiki.oz9aec.net/index.php/High_quality_screen_capture_with_Ffmpeg\n yz3pD, wenn die aufnahme l\u00c3\u00a4uft, muss du nur an \"stop\" kommen\n ah ne ich habs jetzt wenn ich den desktop im vlc anzeigen lasse, dann den vlc maximiere dann komm ich an den rec button und wenn ich vlc dann minimiere kann ich recen\n so ich hab es ma mit dem ffmpeg befehl probiert\n hab aber nur avconv\n hab im befehl ffmpeg durch avconv ersetzt und die parameter behalten aber dann geht es nicht mehr\n fehlermeldung\n haben die vom avconv projekt schon so viel an ffmpeg ge\u00c3\u00a4ndert?\n yz3pD, in dem Artikel steht doch ein vorschlag f\u00c3\u00bcr avconv direkt \u00c3\u00bcber der zeile f\u00c3\u00bcr ffmpeg\n les dir das doch mal richtig durch\n ja sry lesen muss man k\u00c3\u00b6nnen :)\n die aufnahme mit avconv sieht erstma sehr gut aus\n thx f\u00c3\u00bcr die links\n wie mache ich es das der befehl date ausgef\u00c3\u00bchrt wird und dann das ergebnis in einem parameter f\u00c3\u00bcr ein anderes prog eingebaut wird?\n yz3pD, $(date)\n also der befehl zwischen $( und )\n das funktioniert komischerweise auch\n was hei\u00c3\u009ft hier \"komischerweise\"\n aber mit $(date +%e.%m.%G-%H:%M:%S) gehts nicht\n Weil da die '' fehlen.\n date +'strftime'\n hach, bekks war schon schneller\n lol\n hatte jetzt das ganze date in 'date ...' gesteckt\n sicherlich ergibt das einen interessanten dateinamen\n \\o/\n Mit Doppelpunkten. W\u00c3\u00bc\u00c3\u00a4x.\n nabend\n wenn ich das jetzt an avconv \u00c3\u00bcbergebe gehts trotzdem nciht \"rec-$(date '+%e.%m.%G-%H:%M:%S').mkv\"\n yz3pD: Spezifiziere \"geht nicht\". Was genau passiert denn?\n rec-29.07.2014-20:40:14.mkv: Protocol not found\n avconv sieht das irgendwie als protocol an\n die doppelpunkte m\u00c3\u00bcssen da auf jeden fall weg!\n lol wegen den doppelpunkten sieht er das als protocol an? also wie bei rtp:// ?\n jetzt gehts\n kann man die doppelpunkte trotzdem irgendwie drin lassen?\n die dateisortierung ist bei diesem dateinamen auch ziemlich wirr\n yz3pD, nein, keine doppelpunkte im dateinamen\n aber ext4 kommt doch damit klar oder?\n richtig w\u00c3\u00a4re %Y-%m-%d_%H-%M-%S\n yz3pD, was das dateisystem macht kann dir egal sein, wenn dir dadurch ggf. ein programm amok l\u00c3\u00a4uft\n Doppelpunkte, Gross- und Kleinschreibung und Umlaute im Dateinamen. Juhu :)\n mrkramps: das stimmt leider bsolut\n yz3pD: Dann verwende keine Doppelpunkte :)\n also %Y-%m-%d_%H-%M-%S it schon die sortierung vom wichtigsten zum unwichtigsten\n yz3pD, nein \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 vom \u00c3\u00a4ltesten zum j\u00c3\u00bcngsten\n yz3pD: Wie sieht deine komplette avconv Zeile aus?\n vom am langsam \u00c3\u00a4ndersten zum am schnellsten \u00c3\u00a4ndernsten\n avconv -f x11grab -r 25 -s 640x480 -i :0.0+0,0 -vcodec libx264 -pre lossless_ultrafast -threads 0 \"rec-$(date '+%d-%m-%Y_%H-%M-%S').mkv\"\n Was soll das Ding nur mit diesem Dateinamen dann tun?\n Fehlt da nicht noch ein Ausgabedateiname?\n \"rec-$(date '+%d-%m-%Y_%H-%M-%S').mkv\"\n Und was ist der Input?\n der desktop\n screenrecorder\n Funktioniert der Aufruf denn so manuell?\n ja\n Dann w\u00c3\u00bcrde er ja im Script auch funktionieren.\n mrkramps hat mir vorhin mit screenrecordern geholfen\n hei\u00c3\u009ft bei mir rec-screen.sh\n jetzt muss ich nurnoch aus xrandr die infos \u00c3\u00bcber bildschirmaufl\u00c3\u00b6sung herauslocken und das script funktioniert universell\n und wie sieht es mit den fps aus? gibt der parameter -r die fps an? ... bin aus der help site von avconv nicht schlau geworden\n yz3pD, -r 25 passt so schon \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 25fps ist g\u00c3\u00a4ngig\n also das auge kann ja 30 fps wahrnehmen, deshalb hatte ich es schon auf 30 hoch gestellt, aber es blieb bei 20-23 fps\n liiegt das evtl daran das beim recen der cpu voll ausgelastet ist?\n jetzt bin ich aber mal gespannt, wie du das beenden des scripts l\u00c3\u00b6sen m\u00c3\u00b6chtest\n Ctrl+C\n ach, kein starter als toggle?\n evtl mach ich ja noch ne kleine py gui dazu\n dann m\u00c3\u00bcsste ich das wirklich l\u00c3\u00b6sen\n yz3pD: l\u00c3\u00a4sst Du keine Auslastungsanzeige mitlaufen? Welche Bildschirmgr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fe nimmst Du denn auf? Du solltest auf jeden Fall am Anfang mit einem kleinen Bildausschnitt anfangen ..\n bei lxde zeigt er mir die cpu auslastung an ja\n ich nehme 1366x768 auf\n yz3pD: .. Du hast einen 8fach core .. oder was?\n wieso?\n wenn ich octalcore h\u00c3\u00a4tte dann w\u00c3\u00a4re cpu beim rec nicht bei \u00c3\u00bcber 90%\n yz3pD: weil ich mit einem dual-core z.B. f\u00c3\u00bcr Vollbild die Aufl\u00c3\u00b6sung auf 800x600 reduziere ...\n na das ist nicht akzeptabel f\u00c3\u00bcr mich\n auch wenn ich auch nur dualcore hab\n yz3pD: Du kannst versuchen die Aufnahme in einem sparsamen (bzgl. der CPU-Auslastung und daf\u00c3\u00bcr gro\u00c3\u009fem Plattenplatz) Codec aufzunehmen und sp\u00c3\u00a4ter die Aufnahme in eine platzsparende Version umzucodieren -- dann merkst Du schnell wie schnell, bzw. wie langsam dieses Codieren abl\u00c3\u00a4uft ..\n yz3pD, das ist keine sinnvolle aufl\u00c3\u00b6sung\n na das kann ich ja sp\u00c3\u00a4ter noch machen\n aber umkodieren danach ist furchtbar\n Wieso?\n yz3pD, was genau m\u00c3\u00b6chtest du eigentlich aufnehmen?\n ich hasse es wenn man ein screen-rec macht und dann nach 1h rec oder so noch 3h warten darf bis fertig konvertiert\n yz3pD: Dann brauchst du wohl leistungsf\u00c3\u00a4higere HW?\n mrkramps: das wird mir schon noch einfallen ;)\n yz3pD: sp\u00c3\u00a4testens an dem Punkt m\u00c3\u00bcsste Dir auffallen, dass die CPU-Leistung nicht ausreicht ... \n yz3pD, f\u00c3\u00bcr tutorials macht es z.B. mehr sinn nur einzelne fenster aufzunehmen\n ich hab noch bessere pcs aber gerade kein bock aufzustehen xD\n ne ich will keine tuts machen\n ist dieser befehl zum auslesen der bildschirmaufl\u00c3\u00b6sung mit xrandr ok? oder gibt mir das doch immer nur die h\u00c3\u00b6chstm\u00c3\u00b6gliche aufl\u00c3\u00b6sung zur\u00c3\u00bcck?\n xrandr | grep \"*\" | awk '{ print $1 }'\n Das sieht schon ziemlich umst\u00c3\u00a4ndlich aus.\n na schneidet doch nur xrandr ausgabe zu\n Was ist denn die xrandr Ausgabe?\n daf\u00c3\u00bcr reicht awk '/*/ { print $1 }'\n ja ok\n Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1366 x 768, maximum 16384 x 16384\n Was ist denn die Ausgabe von \"xrandr\"?\n das ist die erste zeile von xrandr output\n Schieb bitte die gesamte Ausgabe in einen Pastebin.\n bekks, das * als suchmuster ist schon richtig\n also gibt das die ausgew\u00c3\u00a4hlte aufl\u00c3\u00b6sung zur\u00c3\u00bcck?\n ja\n perfekt\n das + die empfohlene\n + = empfohlen *=aktuelle\n hab ich das richtig verstanden\n ja\n ok\n das ganze funktioniert aber nur beim betrieb mit einem einzelnen monitor\n avconv -f x11grab -r 30 -s $(xrandr | awk '/*/ { print $1 }') -i :0.0+0,0 -vcodec libx264 -pre lossless_ultrafast -threads 0 \"rec-$(date '+%Y-%m-%d_%H-%M-%S').mkv\"\n wie sieht es dann mit beiden aus?\n *zweien\n -i gibt :SCREEN.DISPLAY an\n xrandr -i ?\n nein avconv \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 mach die augen auf\n achso im command\n ja ahb ich auch grad gesehen\n sofern beide monitor ihren eigenen xserver haben, kann man das dar\u00c3\u00bcber festlegen\n andernfalls wird ggf. ein virtueller screen verwendet, der sich \u00c3\u00bcber beide monitore erstreckt\n bei geklonten bildschirmen ist es egal\n ja so hab ich das z.b. bei mir\n *also nicht geklont\n kann aber gerade nicht an die beiden monitore ran\n f\u00c3\u00bcr den erweiterten desktop musst du dann angeben an welcher position er den bereich von 1920x1080 aufnehmen soll\n wieso 1920x1080?\n ist das deine resolution?\n du redest immer von diesem wert\n Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1366 x 768, maximum 16384 x 16384\n wenn du zwei monitore nebeneinander mit einer aufl\u00c3\u00b6sung von 1920x1080 hast, ist dein virtueller screen 3840x1080\n schon klar\n aber wie lese ich diesen wert dann aus?\n so ich starte jetzt doch ma einen meiner standpcs mit 2 mons\n wenn mann xrandr darauf ausf\u00c3\u00bchrt dann wird die liste von xrandr um einen 2. mon erg\u00c3\u00a4nzt, der hat dann allerdings nciht das *\n du wirst jetzt die erste zeile mit Screen0 parsen m\u00c3\u00bcssen\n das ist auch komisch beim 2. mon zeigt er die zeile mit currrent nicht an\n weil die beide Screen0 sind\n w8 ich probiers sicherheitshalber noch auf einem anderen pc mit 2 mons\n ok mit dem einen monitor war was nicht ok jetzt sind bei beiden die * da\n Hallo, ich habe ein komisches Problem mit meinem USB-Audio-Adapter. Ich h\u00c3\u00b6re erst etwas wenn ich den Lautst\u00c3\u00a4rkenregler auf 20% drehe und dann ist es gleich recht laut.\n tuxiano, spiel mal etwas im alsamixer rum\n so ich hab jetzt mmit xrandr | grep \"*\" beide bildschirmsaufl\u00c3\u00b6sungen\n aber man wei\u00c3\u009f ja nicht ob sie nebeneinander oder \u00c3\u00bcbereinander sthen\n deswegen vermendet man ja ein programm, dass all diese eventualit\u00c3\u00a4ten bereits ber\u00c3\u00bccksichtigt\n und wie hei\u00c3\u009ft dieses?\n yz3pD, irgendwas wie recordmydesktop oder kazaam\n den schei\u00c3\u009f artikel habe ich dir vor 2h geschickt\n achso du meinst fertige aufnahme programme\n ppq: das habe ich gemacht. der alamixer (speaker channel) ist bei \"0\" wenn der regler von unity unter 20% steht.\n ne\n egal dann wird sich mein skript damit zufrieden geben einen bildschirm aufzuzeichnen\n es ging mir ja nicht um ein gro\u00c3\u009fes screen record programm sondern nur um ein kleines sckript\n viel interessanter w\u00c3\u00a4re jetzt schon wie du das mit den ctrl+c vermeiden wolltest, kannst du das nochma sagen?\n tuxiano, auch mal mit F2 durch die soundkarten gewechselt? du kannst f\u00c3\u00bcr pulseaudio UND die karte direkt die kan\u00c3\u00a4le regeln.\n yz3pD, keine ahnung \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 ich war nur gespannt, wie du das machen m\u00c3\u00b6chtest\n tuxiano, wenn das im panel nur pulse regelt, solltest du die kan\u00c3\u00a4le f\u00c3\u00bcr die karte direkt (alsa) voll aufdrehen\n wobei es da auch manchmal sehr merkw\u00c3\u00bcrdige \u00c3\u00bcberschneidungen gibt, wo der panel-regler dann regler von pulse und alsa gleichzeitig verstellt\n \u00c3\u00a4h, mit F6 wechselt man die akrte\n ppq: also ich habe hier nur zwei wiedergabe kan\u00c3\u00a4le \"Speaker\" und \"Mic\". Der Speakerkanal bewegt sich mit, wenn ich den Regler von unity verwende.\n Die entsprechend Soundkarte habe ich per F6 ausgew\u00c3\u00a4hlt\n mrkramps: ich glaub das w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich \u00c3\u00bcber python mit subprocess machen\n ppq: In der wiki wird vorgeschlage die asound.state zu l\u00c3\u00b6schen\n ich probiers mal\n yz3pD, PID des laufenden prozesses in variabel speichern und variabel an kill \u00c3\u00bcbergeben\n mit pidof oder wie?\n ppq: ich starte mal neu\n yz3pD, f\u00c3\u00bcr ein bashscript die beste m\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit\n yz3pD: Prozess starten und mit $?? abfragen.\n bekks, hast du daf\u00c3\u00bcr gerade mal einen link?\n danke der w\u00c3\u00a4re hilfreich\n http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1821968/pid-of-last-started-process-in-bash-script\n bekks, geht dann aber nur mit avconv &, oder?\n ppq: nee hat auch nix gebracht\n hm\n tuxiano: was hast Du f\u00c3\u00bcr Lautsprecher an dem usb-audio-dongle dran?\n testdr: der Adapter ist von einem Kopfh\u00c3\u00b6rer\n ein beyerdynamic mmx 2\n tuxiano: und der Kopfh\u00c3\u00b6rer . .. hat eigenen Regler?\n ja, aber keinen \"analogen\". der regelt die lautst\u00c3\u00a4rke \"direkt\" in ubuntu\n es wird auch pl\u00c3\u00b6tzlich laut\n tuxiano: Deine Beschreibung ist unzureichend -- das gibt es so nicht. Pr\u00c3\u00bcfe: wie \u00c3\u00a4ndert sich die Lautst\u00c3\u00a4rke wenn der Lautst\u00c3\u00a4rkeregler im mixer ver\u00c3\u00a4ndert wird und der Lautst\u00c3\u00a4rkeregler des Abspielprogramms\n testdr: jeje, ok es ist schon sp\u00c3\u00a4t, aber ich benutze ubuntu seit 2005 und so etwas gibt es definitiv ...\n tuxiano: ich habe nicht bestritten, dass es so was nicht gibt - aber Deine Arte der Beschreibung ist nicht zutreffend -- da sollst Du nochmal genauer pr\u00c3\u00bcfen ... es gibt unterschiedliche \"Lautst\u00c3\u00a4rkeregler\" und dazu gibt es die Lautst\u00c3\u00a4rke (Dynamik) in einem abgespielten Musikst\u00c3\u00bcck\n #!/bin/sh\n avconv -f x11grab -r 30 -s $(xrandr | awk '/*/ { print $1 }') -i :0.0+0,0 -vcodec libx264 -pre lossless_ultrafast -threads 0 \"rec-$(date '+%Y-%m-%d_%H-%M-%S').mkv\" &\n sleep 5\n kill $!\n also sleep 5 kann man ja noch durch user dr\u00c3\u00bcckt button ersetzen\n testdr: vielleicht hast du meine vorigen Beitr\u00c3\u00a4ge nicht gelesen, aber gerne noch einmal: der regler im \"alsamixer\" vom channel \"speaker\" steht auf \"0\" solange der Lautst\u00c3\u00a4rkenregler in ubuntu/unity unter 20% ist. ab >20% steigt die Lautst\u00c3\u00a4rke (also was ich h\u00c3\u00b6re) sprunghaft an. Der regler im alsamixer startet aber bei lautst\u00c3\u00a4rke \"1\".\n dieses Ph\u00c3\u00a4nomen ist unabh\u00c3\u00a4ngig von der verwendeten Anwendung\n tuxiano: .. und? Du hast gepr\u00c3\u00bcft, dass das auch gilt wenn z.B. Musik mit einem gro\u00c3\u009fen Dynamikumfang abl\u00c3\u00a4uft ... wird es dabei auch pl\u00c3\u00b6tzlich laut und leise .. oder bleibt die Dynamik dann erhalten, d.h. wird wiedergegeben\n testdr: nein, der sound an sich ist normal ...\n tuxiano: ??? also auch dann, wenn der abgespielte sound sehr, sehr leise ist ... dann bleibt die Lautst\u00c3\u00a4rke trotzdem \"oben\"\n testdr: ???\n testdr: der ton ist einfach stumm und dann sehr laut\n testdr: aber nicht beim musik h\u00c3\u00b6ren, sonder in abh\u00c3\u00a4ngigkeit von dem lautst\u00c3\u00a4rkenregler\n tuxiano: so wie du das sagst m\u00c3\u00bcsste dann z.B. Klassik mit hohem Dynamikumfang teilweise gespielt werden und teilweise stumm sein ..\n Hallo Jane_ :)\n :)\n lustisch\n ;)\n testdr: es geht hier nur um den lautst\u00c3\u00a4rkenregler, und nicht um die Dynamik\n darf ich dir eine uebersicht geben zerwas ?\n bevor du einzelheiten bekommst\n testdr: soviel technisches verst\u00c3\u00a4ndniss habe ich noch\n tuxiano: .. was ist den Dynamik? ... nicht etwa laut und leise?\n testdr: ok, ich glaube ich gebe es auf f\u00c3\u00bcr heute\n Jane_: nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich! Hast du dein Druckerproblem also schon auf askubuntu.com beschrieben? Wenn ja, k\u00c3\u00b6nntest du den Link dazu geben?\n testdr: ich danke dir f\u00c3\u00bcr deine unterst\u00c3\u00bczung\n tuxiano: Du kannst noch den usb-audio-stick an der live-version(ubuntu) testen .. und anderer hardware ..\n testdr: gut, ist einen versuch wert\n zerwas: nein, musste mich nur selbst gerade nochmal ueberzeugen.\n ich w\u00c3\u00bcnsche noch einen sch\u00c3\u00b6nen abend\n mrkramps: wei\u00c3\u009ft du wie ich jetzt noch ein trayicon hinkrieg?\n tl;dr gew\u00c3\u00bcnscht vorab zerwas ?\n yz3pD, nein\n Jane_: am besten f\u00c3\u00bcr den ganzen Kanal, ja.\n okay danke\n mrkramps: ich nerv dich langsam oder?\n yz3pD, ich habe einfach keine ahnung, wie oder womit man ein systray icon programmiert\n http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/yad#Menuedialog\n also: \" sudo nc -w1 EpsonAL-CX11NF 9100 < ~/printout \" druckt das pdf so wenig wie jede applikation oder cups mit seiner testseite direkt.\n keine fehlermeldung\n kein ausdruck\n keine Daten gehen zum drucker wie es scheint\n ich komme relativ gut mit der debug seite f\u00c3\u00bcr drucker durch (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPrintingProblems) und kann alle daten die ben\u00c3\u00b6tigen dateb bereitstellen\n s/alle daten die/alle\n mag mir jemand behilflich sein?\n keiner?\n bin gut f\u00c3\u00bchrbar! *g\n zerwas: mach ich was falsch?\n druckprobleme sind meist sehr speziell. ich bin einfach froh, dass mein hp ootb l\u00c3\u00a4uft.\n ich hab noch einen laptop und bei dem laeuft es ja. das macht mich so fertig\n nennen wir ihn mal laptop2\n ich hab nur etwas angst wegen meiner master arbeit. weil ich derzeit nur von laptop2 drucken kann. wenn da was ist bin ich mit der und sonstigen arbeiten echt aufgeschmissen.\n in vielen copy-shops kann man pdf ausdrucken --- also pdf-drucker installieren und notfalls damit drucken und zum copy-shop gehen ...\n ja, das habe ich auch schon gemacht aber das ist keine loesung auf dauer wenn man was braucht, leider.\n @all : gibt es eine bessere zeit um leute zu erwischen die mit einem ein drucker problem debuggen?\n egal ich belasse es bei meinem script beim ctrl+c, keep it simple\n Jane_: wenn hier keiner helfen kann versuch mal im forum auf ubuntuusers.de oder auf askubuntu.\n yz3p, du kannst di pid einfach in eine einer datei speichern\n k1l: danke. askubuntu faellt aus aber ubuntuusers.de versuch ich gern mal.\n das mit der pid hab ich ja dank eurer hilfe schon kapiert\n aber zenity unterst\u00c3\u00bctzt keinn feature im systray\n yz3p, du bist mit unity unterwegs, oder?\n hui, der n\u00c3\u00a4chste durchbruch bei batterien? -> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Batterie-laeuft-mit-Wasser-2265823.html/from/atom10?wt_mc=rss.ho.beitrag.atom\n mrkramps: ne mit lubuntu also lxde und xdm xD\n yz3p, dann leg dir doch kein systrag icon an, sondern einfach einen starter\n im panel versteht sich\n na es geht ja um das beenden des scripts daf\u00c3\u00bcr brauch ich das icon\n und mit notify-send kannst du dir benachrichtigen dar\u00c3\u00bcber ausgeben lassen, was da passiert\n yz3p, du kannst das skript einfach als toggle (an/aus) schreiben\n hrhr, auch valencia und toulouse sparen millionen mit open source: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Valencia-und-Toulouse-sparen-Millionen-mit-Open-Source-2269501.html?wt_mc=rss.ho.beitrag.atom\n Rochvellon, das ist der falsche channel!\n grrrrrrr\n r\u00c3\u00bcber ins offtopic mit dir =P\n #ubuntu-de-offtopic\n verdammt, werde den channel irgendwann aus der liste nochmal rausschmei\u00c3\u009fen ...\n yz3p, wenn du noch einen moment hast, dann schicke ich dir ein beispiel gleich im nopaste\n ja pls\n aber notify-send hab ich garnichtinstalliert aber scheint das gleiche wie zenity zu machen\n yz3p, nein es gibt dir desktopbenachrichtigungen aus\n sudo apt-get install libnotify-bin\n man notify-send\n und das ist doch das gleiche wie zenity --notification wenn ich das richtig gesehen hab\n aber werd mir das prog ma installieren, die f\u00c3\u00a4higkeiten von zeinty sind in der hinsucht ziemlich k\u00c3\u00bcmmerlich\n yz3p, http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/419422/\n sry, das set -x am anfang muss noch auskommentiert werden\n cooles skript\n muss man sich anmelden um diesen dienst bei ubuntuusers nutzen zu d\u00c3\u00bcrfen?\n mrkramps, geht das auch wenn das output verzeichnis nicht existiert?\n ppq, nein =P\n ne einfache if wird das ja shon l\u00c3\u00b6sen\n mann, das nur ein beispiel!\n hey, das war nur konstruktive kritik :p\n yz3p: .. nein .. ein einfaches mkdir .... \n mkdir -p\n testdr, in diesem fall sicherlich nicht\n oder so auf die brutale methode\n mkdir macht eh nur was wenn es das noch nicht gibt, macht also sinn\n ppq: seh ich auch so .. und mit der option wird ja ein ganzer directory-baum gebaut ..\n jo, ist doch erw\u00c3\u00bcnscht\n mrkramps funktioniert das skript bei dir sicher?\n bei mir ist die erstellt file 0b gro\u00c3\u009f\n gerade hatte es das eigentlich noch getan\n hier tut es das auch immer noch\n alsoich starte das skript\n und beende es indem ich auf die notify meldung dr\u00c3\u00bccke oder?\n yz3p, nein \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 indem du es nochmal ausf\u00c3\u00bchrst\n quatsch!\n hier nochmal die aktualisierte fassung http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/419427/\n hat doch extra ne \"usage\" Zeile rein geschrieben\n ja man liest immer das was man lesen will!\n und das vor allem bei schlafentzug 3d\n der if-else-Zweig ist aber auch deutlich ..\n @all gibt es einen dedizierten channel f\u00c3\u00bcr drucker support?\n gern auch auf english\n yz3p, es w\u00c3\u00a4re \u00c3\u00bcbrigens zeit f\u00c3\u00bcr ein killall avconv =D\n du d\u00c3\u00bcrftest da m\u00c3\u00b6glicherweise diverse instanzen bei dir laufen haben\n wof\u00c3\u00bcr ist eingentlcih das set -x gut?\n falls ich es richtig sehe, .. avconv -formats .. w\u00c3\u00bcrde bei mir der codec fehlen ...\n ne die hab ich schon alle geschlossen\n ich merke das avconv l\u00c3\u00a4uft wenn die prozessorlast \u00c3\u00bcber 70% ist xD\n yz3p, das set -x kann man bei skripten in der bash ganz gut zum debuggen benutzen \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 das gibt dir beim ausf\u00c3\u00bchren des skripts ein backtrace aus\n achso\n cool jetzt auch mit mkdir zweig\n warum hast du das -pre lossless_ultrafast -threads 0 rausgenommen?\n yz3p, ich habe als beispiel nur den befehl aus dem wiki-artikel verwendet\n +winzig kleine anmerkung: du ast in der 2. letzten zeile \"$pidfile\" nicht benutzt\n stimmt\n ist halt noch nicht ausgereift\n ist doch schon fast perfekt ;)\n gibt es irgendwo eine liste der notify-send -i bilder wie z.b. folder-videos ?\n yz3p, das sind die dateinamen der symbole im verwendeten symbolthema ohne dateiendung\n also das symbolthema deiner desktopumgebung\n die namen f\u00c3\u00bcr die einzelnen symbole sind standarisiert\n und wo finde ich die?\n \"/usr/share/icons\" ?\n yz3p, systemweit genau dort und lokal in ~/.local/share/icons\n und das mit dem gnome-screenshot ist dann auch nur ein bild? ... das wird bei mir nicht angezeigt\n hab gnome-screenshot aber auch nicht installiert\n yz3p, ja das ist nur ein bild \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 du kannst dort einen absoluten pfad zu einem bild angeben\n aber \u00c3\u00bcber die icons ist es eben einfacher\n ja\n sieht das bei euch vernunftig aus?\n notify-send -i gtk-media-stop \"SCREENCAST STOPPED\" \"The screencast was saved to: $outfile\"\n notify-send -i gtk-media-record \"SCREENCAST STARTED\" \"The screencast will be saved to: $outfile\"\n au\u00c3\u009fer dass die variabel nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich keinen inhalt hat, sieht es gut aus\n na dann konnte ich ja doch nich was zu deinem skript beitragen\n yz3p, ich hab es ersetzt\n dann k\u00c3\u00b6nnte man ja theoretisch das ganze ja noch in ein .deb paket verpacken ;)\n yz3p, das ist ein wenig zuviel des guten\n stimmt, deswegen hab ich ja theoretisch geschrieben\n ich werde das bei gelegenheit mal sauber schreiben und ins wiki kopieren\n cool\n schick mir dann ma den link\n schau einfach hin und wieder ins den Artikel http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Screencasts\n keine ahung, wann ich dazu kommen\n is gut\n udn wie soll das script hei\u00c3\u009fen?\n<_moep_> ich nutz gtk-recordmydesktop\n ich hab nur schlechte erfahrungen mit recordmydesktop gemacht\n<_moep_> nur mit ton, der nicht vom internen mic kommt, hab ich probleme\n ich glaub ich benenne das script bei mir in Screencast.sh um\n yz3p, sh ist nicht notwendig als dateiendung\n ausf\u00c3\u00bchrbar muss es sein (chmod +x), alles andere erkennt bash an der shebang\n weil da #!/bin/sh drin steht?\n nagut\n stimmt wenn ich es nach /usr/bin packe dannn w\u00c3\u00bcrde .sh st\u00c3\u00b6ren\n wenn geh\u00c3\u00b6rt es nach /usr/local/bin\n oder nach %HOME/bin\n was ist denn der unterschied?\n *$HOME/bin\n zischen usr bin und usr local bin ?\n kein gro\u00c3\u009fer, aber in /usr/bin liegen schon alles binaries der installierten pakete\n und local bin ist leer\n ... also ist local f\u00c3\u00bcr selbstgemachtes?\n in /usr/local/bin ist es normalerweise deswegen \u00c3\u00bcbersichtlicher fremdk\u00c3\u00b6rper im dateisystem wieder zu finden\n ok dann werde ich ma meine ganzen selbsterstellten nach local verschieben\n es ist nicht explizit f\u00c3\u00bcr selbstgemachtes, aber bspw. wird beim kompilieren auch dieses verzeichnis als standardziel f\u00c3\u00bcr die installation verwendet\n h\u00c3\u00a4lt halt paketinhalte und fremdinhalte etwas auseinander\n besser noch kannst du es aber in deinem Homeverzeichnis unterbringen\n sofern du kein mehrbenutzersystem hast\n wenn ich da ein /bin anlege findet bash ds dann \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt?\n *das\n oder muss ich dann immer $HOME/bin voranstellen?\n yz3p, werf daf\u00c3\u00bcr mal einen blick in die datei ~/.profile\n dort ist das erkl\u00c3\u00a4rt\n aufbauend daf\u00c3\u00bcr auch Wiki-Artikel http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Umgebungsvariable\n ok den bin ordner in $HOME kannte ich noch nicht, aber nur weil er standardm\u00c3\u00a4\u00c3\u009fig nicht existiet ;)\n yz3p, du kannst dort aber jenden anderen ordner eintragen\n die Umgebungsvariable PATH gibt die verzeichnisse an, in denen direkt nach ausf\u00c3\u00bchrbaren dateien gesucht werden sollen\n ber ich mach sie doch lieber nach usr local bin, wenn mein profil ma crashen ollte kann ich dann mit dem 2. profil noch die porgs starten\n *progs\n yz3p, da ist was dran\n allerdings solltest du sie als kopie irgendwo sichern \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 stell dir vor du m\u00c3\u00bcsstest neu installieren ;)\n ja das ist der albtraum der mich jedesmal einhollt wenn ich was nicht fixen kann\n was ist denn jetzt noch der unterscheid zwischen bin und sbin?\n $PATH zeigt beide\n s* = secure\n die sind oftmals in Distributionen in PATH ausgeschlossen\n wieso denn das?\n oder steht s* hier f\u00c3\u00bcr system!?\n irgendwie war da was, weil dort in der regel programme liegen, die nur f\u00c3\u00bcr die systemadministration notwendig sind\n da liegt gparted also kann sein\n das z.B. f\u00c3\u00bcr einen benutzer, der nicht auch systemadministrator ist, ziemlich egal\n ...aber da liegt auch lightdm\n .o0( s - system )\n SunTsu, ich kann mir diese ganzen erkl\u00c3\u00a4rungen immer nicht merken\n yz3p: im sbin liegen die binaries zur Systemverwaltung, die die der Normaluser nicht braucht, in bin die binaries f\u00c3\u00bcr alle user\n achso\n mrkramps: man hier\n yz3p, sind wir beide fertig f\u00c3\u00bcr heute?\n guten nacht, bzw eigentlich guten morgen und vielen dank f\u00c3\u00bcr die hilfe\n gerne, gn8\n#ubuntu-de 2014-07-30\n g'morgen\n hallo\n habe da eine frage\n ich verwende pidgin als irc client\n wie kann ich im nchrichtenfenster die hintergrundfarbe und schriftfarbe \u00c3\u00a4ndern\n Entweder es gibt da ein Addon f\u00c3\u00bcr, oder von Hand, siehe https://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/Using%20Pidgin#HowdoIchangethefontPidginusesThebackgroundcolor\n So generell ist Pidgin aber f\u00c3\u00bcr IRC eher ungeeignet\n Hexchat f\u00c3\u00bcr GTK, Konversation f\u00c3\u00bcr KDE, irssi f\u00c3\u00bcr Shell sind meistens die bessere Wahl\n okay malgucken\n bin sonst ganz zufrieden\n bin kein poweruser\n hatte erst x-chat aber der wird schon lange nicht mehr aktualisiert\n hexchat ist ein aktiv entwickelter Fork von Xchat\n okay\n re mit hexchat\n mal gucken\n auf den ersten blick schonmal positiv\n ja, ich bleibe bei xchat\n danke f\u00c3\u00bcr die hilfe\n gerne\n vorteilhaft ist, dass ich nur noch ein fenster habe\n ist deutlich \u00c3\u00bcbersichtlicher\n bin dann mal weg was essen\n Mahlzeit! Ist euch ein Socks5 Proxy bekannt der ohne root l\u00c3\u00a4uft und bei dem man sich per user:password@server:port authentifizieren kann?\n Was dann letztendlich auch mit dem Firefox klappen sollte.\n Dulem: ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde mir einfach das tor browser bundle mal genauer anschauen, da ist ja so was drin.\n LetoThe2nd: Ich bin sowieso mit einem VPN unterwegs, ab und an ben\u00c3\u00b6tige ich aber eine deutsche IP. Das w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich dann gerne per Proxy \u00c3\u00bcber meinen Server in DE laufen lassen. (Damit ich meinen VPN nicht komplett abschalten muss)\n Tor m\u00c3\u00b6chte ich vermeiden.\n Dulem: ich habe ja auch nicht gesagt: \"nimm das tbb\", ich sagte \"schau dir mal an was da drin ist.\"\n mahlzeit, kennt sich wer mit apparmor bzw der stellung von profilen aus \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 br\u00c3\u00a4uchte hilfe beim erstellen von einem profil f\u00c3\u00bcr wine\n hi, wei\u00c3\u009f zuf\u00c3\u00a4llig jemand wie man den wl Treiber (aus dem Paket bcmwl-kernel-source) mit einem selbstbegauten kernel installieren kann? Bei Paketinstallation: \"ERROR (dkms apport): kernel package linux-headers-3.15.0-rc5-custom is not supported\"\n DKMS braucht nicht nur den Kernel, sondern auch die entsprechenden Header. Sind die vorhanden?\n jap, die sind auch installiert.\n moinsen! \n Kann mir einer von euch sagen, wie ich einen zweiten Monitor an nem zweiten Displayport so angesteuert bekomme, dass ich das Bild auf dem zweiten Monitor erweitern kann? Also Windowsmanager habe ich xfce laufen. Habe auch schon versucht, mit xrandr das einzustellen, aber da wird der zweite Monitor nicht erkannt.\n Ich seh grad in der make.log viele Fehlermeldungen in der Art: \" ... error: too few arguments to function \u00e2\u0080\u0098cfg80211_ibss_joined\u00e2\u0080\u0099 ...\" Also eher ein Problem mit dem code als mit dem custom-kernel? Was macht man da?\n lspci sagt mir zu der Grafikkarte folgendes: \"VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller\"\n ich kann halt mein Desktop komischerweise nicht erweitern, sondern nur clonen sozusagen\n Details: http://nopaste.euirc.net/index.php?id=46f736c066 und http://nopaste.euirc.net/index.php?id=91363edac0\n addiks: vmtl. passt die kernel version auf die der treiber aufsetzt einfach nicht zu dem was bei dir im einsatz ist.\n maze-m, was sagt `xrandr | grep connected`?\n addiks: 3.15 vs. 3.13 oder 3.2 ist da nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich echt durchschalgen.\n *durchschlagend.\n letothe2nd: wie kommst du auf 3.13 bzw. 3.2? Ich kann dir gerade nicht ganz folgen.\n addiks: naja. ich *nehme* jetzt einfach mal an, dass du ein ubuntu hast. aus dem ziehst du die bcmwl-sourcen. bei 14.04 ist z.b. der 3.13er mit drin, also passen die treibersourcen dazu. dein dkms sagt, dass du 3.15-rc5 hast. alles klar?\n (3.2 war der von 12.04, den rest weiss ich nicht auswendig.)\n Ich habe 3.15-rc5 als selbstgebauten kernel installiert. Ich brauche mindestens 3.14 wegen dem thunderbolt support und einigen patches die ansonsten kernel-panics ausl\u00c3\u00b6sen.\n addiks: ich wollte auch keine rechtfertigung h\u00c3\u00b6ren, ich sagte dir nur warum der treiber nicht kompiliert.\n dadrc: das sagt mir 'Can't open display' :/\n addiks: ergo: entweder den treiber vorw\u00c3\u00a4rts protieren, bzw. drauf warten dass es wer macht - oder drauf verzichten - oder so lange noch den alten kernel verwenden.\n is ja nen bischen komisch, dass er sagt 'can't open display'.... Hab ja zwei Monitore dran angeschlossen\n letothe2nd: mhh, ok. Trotzdem danke f\u00c3\u00bcr die Hilfe. Der alte Kernel ist f\u00c3\u00bcr mich halt keine Option.\n maze-m, das ist dann allerdings komisch.\n dadrc: kann das denn mit'm Treiber zu tun haben?\n ich mein, eigentlich w\u00c3\u00a4re das dann ja das naheliegendste. find's nur ein bischen komisch, dass ich das Bild zwar geclont bekomme, aber es nicht m\u00c3\u00b6glich ist, es zu erweitern.\n maze-m: wer \"clont\" das Bild? .. ist das vielleicht im bios eine Einstellung ...?\n testdr: kann man sowas im bios einstellen? \n maze-m: es gab sogar alte laptops, die hatten eine so schwache graka, die konnten nur spiegeln .. waren gedacht zum Anschluss an gr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009feren Bildschirm oder projektor ..\n maze-m, m\u00c3\u00b6glich ist das schon, aber eigentlich sind die inteltreiber ganz ordentlich\n maze-m: \u00c3\u00a4ndert aber nichts an Deiner Antwort, dass Du offenbar nicht wei\u00c3\u009ft was zur Zeit passiert. Wer clont die Grafikausgabe?\n testdr: okay, ich hab gerade mal im Bios geguckt und da war \"Auto\" f\u00c3\u00bcr das Video device eingestellt. \n maze-m: wenn Du schon nachgeschaut hast, welche Optionen gab es denn da au\u00c3\u009fer \"Auto\"?\n ich hab das mal auf igp umgestellt und da dann den Multi-Monitor-Support auf enabled gesetzt\n aber ein `xrandr | grep connected` sagt mir trotzdem das Gleiche\n maze-m: ist der 2te Monitor dunkel .. oder wird da immer noch \"nur\" gespiegelt?\n maze-m: und abgesehen von \"connected\", schau nach ob \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt der 2te Grafikausgang erkannt wird .. (der dann disconnected w\u00c3\u00a4re)\n testdr: h\u00c3\u00a4tte im bios unter 'Devices --> Video Setup --> Select Active Video' das ausw\u00c3\u00a4hlen: IGP, PEG, PCI, Auto \n testdr: der zweite Monitor wird nur gespiegelt. \n testdr: wie guck ich denn, ob der 2te Grafikausgang erkannt wird?\n maze-m: argh .. indem Du die ganze Ausgabe von xrandr anschaust .. Grafikausg\u00c3\u00a4nge nennen sich dann z.B. VGA-0, VGA-1, DVI-D-0, DVI-D-1, HDMI-0 u.s.w\n okay, mom \n testdr: aber nur 'xrandr' in'er Shell eingegeben gibt mir auch aus: \"Can't open display\"!\n Da l\u00c3\u00a4uft aber schon gerade ein x, ja?\n dadrc: na ja, ich hab das jetzt \u00c3\u00bcber ne ssh-session gemacht. oder muss ich das auf nem ge\u00c3\u00b6ffneten terminal direkt am pc machen?\n ja\n mhm.\n mann .. bei \"xrandr | grep connected\" zeigt keine \u00c3\u0084nderung h\u00c3\u00a4tte ich darauf erstmal nicht getippt ..\n maze-m, probier mal `DISPLAY=:0 xrandr | grep connected`\n Das sollte auch \u00c3\u00bcber SSH gehen\n Wenn das X denn an sich l\u00c3\u00a4uft\n dadrc: okay, ein \"xrandr\" zeigt mir folgendes an: http://paste.debian.net/112660/\n testdr: sorry....\n nur die 3 zeilen? sonst nichts?\n ist wahrscheinlich ein spezial-xrandr ... l\u00c3\u00a4sst die Ausgabedevices weg ..\n steht ja eins dran: \"default\"\n dadrc: ne, sonst steht da nichts drin\n dadrc: seit wann nennt sich so eine Grafikausgabe: default? ... Ist das \u00c3\u00bcblich bei intel-graka-treibern?\n N\u00c3\u00b6, \u00c3\u00bcblich ist das nicht, aber der Ausgang hei\u00c3\u009ft da anscheinend so.\n maze-m, das ist schlecht, hei\u00c3\u009ft n\u00c3\u00a4mlich, dass der Treiber der Meinung ist, dass du nur einen Ausgang hast\n maze-m: habt ihr mit einer speziellen konfiguration die grafik gestartet .. weil auch nur eine Aufl\u00c3\u00b6sung m\u00c3\u00b6glich ist .. \n is allerdings wirklich komisch, da die Ausgabe bei mir am PC auch anders ist....\n das mit einer Aufl\u00c3\u00b6sung hab ich nur gesehen, wenn man manuell beim booten die eid des Monitors vorgibt .. und da so eine default-eid nimmt\n maze-m, welche Ubuntuversion hastn da?\n testdr: ne, haben wir nicht. also zumindest wei\u00c3\u009f ich davon nichts :)?\n dadrc: ein 'cat /etc/lsb-release' sagt mir das: http://paste.debian.net/112661/\n 14.04, ok, sollte also auch mit der Treiberversion passen\n maze-m, gibt es eine /etc/X11/xorg.conf auf dem Rechner?\n gibt es wirklich laptops mit so einer Aufl\u00c3\u00b6sung? und dann noch refreshrate von 0.0?\n Da da ein Xeon drin ist, w\u00c3\u00bcrd ich davon ausgehen, dass das kein Laptop ist :)\n dadrc: Ne, auf dem Rechner gibt's keine xorg.conf.\n aber die Aufl\u00c3\u00b6sung (1920x1200) ist weder 4/3 noch 16/9 ... was ist denn das?\n 16:10\n Durchaus \u00c3\u00bcblich f\u00c3\u00bcr gute 24\"-Monitore\n dadrc: ein alter R\u00c3\u00b6hrenmonitor?\n maze-m, was sagt `cat /proc/cmdline`?\n testdr, n\u00c3\u00b6, richtig ordentliche neue TFTs\n testdr: b\u00c3\u00bcro\n Dell Ultrasharp 2412 zB\n moinsen\n dadrc: das sagt: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.11.0-15-generic root=UUID=1b95c61b-413e-4422-9f8b-8abd36460181 ro quiet splash\n testdr: jo genau, is'n B\u00c3\u00bcroarbeitsplatz ;)\n maze-m, hmhm, auch ok.\n w\u00c3\u00a4re es denn ne M\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit, dass ich h\u00c3\u00a4ndisch ne xorg.conf schreibe? \n jedenfalls zeigt xrandr keine anderen Grafikausgaben an -- dann w\u00c3\u00a4re noch zu kontrollieren was der Grakatreiber beim Laden so sagt - irgendwelche Eintr\u00c3\u00a4ge im syslog oder xorg-log welche Grafikausgaben erkannt werden? \n leigt die errorlog vom x nicht auch unter /var/log/.... ?\n oder die xorg-log mein ich eher\n ... /var/log/Xorg.0.log oder ahenlich. (grosses X! und ID im Namen)\n also ich hab eben nochmal was gefunden: http://debianforum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=149915\n m\u00c3\u00bcsste mir mal nen neuen User anlegen und gucken, ob ich da dann ne andere displays.xml bekomm\n stimmt, ich wollte auch noch eine modeline zaubern fuer meinen beamer.\n nu hab ich glaub ich komischerweise meinen x-server zerschossen, obwohl ich nur die Datei \"/etc/X11/Xsession.d/45x11-custom_xrandr-settings\" angelegt hatte, aber auch wieder gel\u00c3\u00b6scht hab :(\n LupusE: modeline \"zaubern\", berechnen lassen z.B. von cvt Beispiel: cvt 1024 768 50\n ich bekomme nun aber komischerweise bei einem \"sudo apt-get upgrade\" die meldung: \" 0 aktualisiert, 0 neu installiert, 0 zu entfernen und 447 nicht aktualisiert.\"\n maze-m: apt-get dist-upgrade hilft. koennte aber auch das system zerschiessen.\n maze-m: sudo apt-get dist-uprade\n okay, ich hab's mal durchlaufen lassen... wer nicht wagt, der nicht gewinnt ;)\n na gut, ich lass'es erstmal laufen! Vielen Dank euch erstmal ;)\n muss ja noch eine ubuntu cd brennen \n hi\n oh je jetzt wird es harrig\n gibt es hier wen der auf drucker spezialisiert ist?\n :-)\n !frag | hp_ \n !frag > hp_ \n ich habe zwei drucker im netz, davon druckt einer von einem von zwei notebooks nicht mehr seit einem update auf ubuntu-gnome 14.04\n hmm, bot ist tot. jedenfalls hp_ , stell einfach deine frage. wenn einer die antwort wei\u00c3\u009f wird er es schon beantworten wenn er online ist\n np\n geht klar\n also ein drucker ist innerhalb eines netzes von einem notebook ansprechbar von einem anderen notebook nicht.\n der zweite drucker (hp lj) funktioniert von beiden notebooks (ubuntu 14.04 & 12.04) einwandfrei\n der ober witz ist: seit dem update auf 14.04 auf dem einen notebook kann ich an dem drucker der nicht mehr will zumindest jetzt via network scannen! ^^\n jemand lust auf fehlersuche mit mir zusammen zu gehen oder hat eine idee?\n hp_: Erz\u00c3\u00a4hl halt mehr; Wa ist das f\u00c3\u00bcr HP-Drucker? Wie h\u00c3\u00a4ngt er Wo dran? Welchen Treiber benutzt Du?\n gibt es von Canonical eine nachricht warum es ncoh kein update von 12.04 auf 14.04.1 gibt?\n Conan179, source.list editieren?\n Empfehlenswert ist wegen der gro\u00c3\u009fen Versionsspr\u00c3\u00bcnge aber eine Neuinstallation\n littlerocky: das w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich nicht sagen.\n sdx23, man liest jedoch vieles dar\u00c3\u00bcber ;)\n man kann mit sudo do-release-upgrade -p das upgrade ansto\u00c3\u009fen\n ist auch die empfohlene vorgehensweise. einfach nur die source.list zu editieren geht zwar auch, ist nicht empfohlen\n (und da kann's dann tats\u00c3\u00a4chlich passieren, dass eine Neuinstallation besser gewesen w\u00c3\u00a4re...)\n sch\u00c3\u00b6n, aber das ist nciht die antwqort auf meine frage\n soweit ich es verstanden habe, werden die upgrades nur schrittweise freigegeben\n moin. ich habe ein Problem mit meiner Hardware beschleunigung f\u00c3\u00bcr xbmc . selbiges hatte ich schonmal nach einem update. ich meine da fehlte der pae header bin mir aber nicht mehr sicher. das Protokoll und die Notizen sind bei mir zu hause und ich per ssh von der arbeit dabei versuchen das zu reppen. mag mir da bitte einer Helfen? Ubuntu 12.04 x32\n und wie wird schritweise defniert, wen ich mal doof fragen darf?\n MikatCan: \"da fehlte der PAE header\" ergibt keinen Sinn. Wieviel RAM hast Du?\n 2GB\n Conan179: Dass es nicht alle gleichzeitig bekommen um A) die Server nicht zu \u00c3\u00bcberlasten und B) falls doch noch ein grober Bug \u00c3\u00bcbersehen wurde, gegengesteuert werden kann, bevor schon alle am Upgraden sind\n ah bekks ich glaube du warst es auch der mir da geholfen hatte seitnerzeit\n MikatCan: Bei 2GB brauchst du auch kein PAE. Abgesehen davon kann das nicht die Fehlerursache sein.\n bekks, nach jedem Dist-upgreade scheint es zu passieren das die Grafikhardware beschl\u00c3\u00a4unigung nicht mehr geht.\n Dann hast du den Grafikkartentreiber manuell installiert.\n ok ich hab was anderes gemeint, nciht was es bedeutet sondern wie welche innstalationen in welche schritte eingeteilt werden, es muss ja ne logick daghiner geben\n letztes mal mit dir kamen wir nach langem suchen darauf das ein Header fehlte meine ich\n Alle update sind aus den offiziellen Quellen\n mit auso apt-get install nvidia-current habe ich den installiert\n Conan179: Zuf\u00c3\u00a4llig je (soweit ich las) 10% der User\n ok und wo hast du das gelesen?\n MikatCan: Die Header haben keinerlei Einfluss auf die HW Beschleunigung.\n ok\n woran liegt das dann? Ach ja noseeder nenne ich mich hier wenn ich zu hause bin. \n MikatCan: Was ist die Ausgabe von \"uname -a\"?\n Linux xbmc-server 3.2.0-67-generic-pae #101-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jul 15 18:04:54 UTC 2014 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux\n Wieso verwendest du denn einen PAE Kernel?\n Conan179: In irgend welchen offiziellen Ubuntu-Seiten.\n ok...\n bekks, frag mich was leichteres. k\u00c3\u00b6nnet aber mit der XBMCbuntu installation zu tun haben.\n Definitiv nicht :)\n ich habe auf jeden fall keine kernel etc installert\n MikatCan: Es kann aber sein, dass du eine CPU hast, die sonst nicht mit Ubuntu funktioniert.\n bekks, w\u00c3\u00a4re m\u00c3\u00b6glich \n bekks, noch ne idee?\n Was sind denn die konkreten Fehlermeldungen?\n MikatCan hat einen pae kernel das ist ein spezieller kernel\n XBMC zeigt nur an das keine Hardwareuntest\u00c3\u00bctzung da ist \n das merke ich leider auch in 6 monaten mit neuer hardware wird das alle neu gemacht und dann selber -.-\n MikatCan verwende eine distro die keinen pae kernel verwendet!\n yz3pD, in 6 monaten werde ich die normale ubuntu x64 nehmen\n wieso erst in 6 mon?\n dann neue hardware und da muss dann eh alles neu\n achso dann fr\u00c3\u00bchliches warten ;)\n *fr\u00c3\u00b6hliches\n sollte aber jetzt auch noch gehen am besten\n das wars\n sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)\n nun habe ich wieder bild\n na das hilft dann auch nichts mehr\n ;-) war also doch der header\n lol\n dachte ich mir auch ich habe das extra daheim notiert alles das hatte ich schonmal und da war ich dann 3 tage am suchen\n komisch das xbmcbuntu mit pae kernel ausgeleifertweird, htte ich nciht geadcht\n also bei einem pae kernel muss auch immer der pae header installiert sein denn bei einem Upgrade wird der warum auch immer nicht mit installiert\n danke nochmal bin dann weg erstmal\n n8\n#ubuntu-de 2014-07-31\n g'morgen\n wenn ich mein android mit ubuntu verbinde wieso wird dann der interne speicher vom android nicht automatisch in ubuntu eingebunden?\n welches ubuntu?\n Wird der denn angezeigt im Nautilus?\n lubuntu mit pcmanfm um genau zu sein\n das smartphone wird aber nicht mal von gparted erkannt\n ja die automatismen laufen mit nautilus\n ja du brauchst was, was mtp kann\n pcmanfm kann MTP, so prinzipiell\n Also, PCmanFM kann gvfs, und das kann MTP\n aber muss ich noch libmtp installieren?\n gvfs-backends m\u00c3\u00bcsste das richtige paket sein\n ok dann istallier ich das ma\n Ach ja, und das gparted die partition nicht sieht, ist normal\n weil das eben mtp ist und keine ordentliche usb-massenspeicher-verbindung\n das liegt aber nicht an Ubuntu, sondern an Android :/\n gnome-disk-utility zeigt Linux File CD Gadget an ... das wird dann wohl der android sein\n gvfs-backends ist schon installiert\n Komisch, dann sollte das gehen. Hab hier gerade mein N4 an den Rechner gesteckt, PCmanFM mit gfvs-backends installiert, wird sofort angezeigt.\n hast du auf deinem android noch irgendwas eingestellt?\n n\u00c3\u00b6\n achso ich muss erst in android usb speicher aktivieren anklicken...\n sry f\u00c3\u00bcr die frage hab mein android erst seit ca. 2h\n das gibts glaube ich bei neueren android-versionen nicht mehr\n hmjo, das muss :)\n was hast du f\u00c3\u00bcr eine version?\n 4.2\n yz3p, klappt das jetzt? \n hi\n ja thx\n ok, kann sein, dass das mit 4.4 raus ist\n Bei mir unter Ubuntu 14.04 crashed AQEMU. Hat von Euch jemand die Oberfl\u00c3\u00a4che zum laufen bekommen?\n Hab sie gerade frisch installiert. Schmiert leider direkt ab\n kommt irgendeine nachricht?\n Gibts ne gute Alternative zu AQEMU? Zumal auch lustig ist, wenn man beim starten die Sprache w\u00c3\u00a4hlen soll, deutsch w\u00c3\u00a4hlt und die Sprache direkt russisch ist :D\n virt-manager\n was dadrc sagt\n TheBrayn: nicht wirklich, konnte nen bug report schicken, was ich auch gemacht habe. Sonderlich erhellend war der Bugbericht nicht\n Kann sogar noch Xen, wenn man das will.\n TheBrayn: dank google kann ich aber auch nnicht auf 4.4 updaten wenn ich 4.2 hab, oder eh ich da was falsch?\n http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/virt-manager \u00e2\u0086\u0090 benutz ich hier auch, sehr zufrieden\n virt-mananger ist aber keine gui?\n Doch\n terminal based, oder?\n Nein\n oder gtk?\n gtk\n http://media.cdn.ubuntu-de.org/wiki/attachments/29/12/2014-03-29-015341-Virtual_Machine_Manager.png \u00e2\u0086\u0090\n ahh supi. danke euch mal wieder :)\n ohh, schick\n erste gehversuche wollte ich dann doch mit ner gui machen :)\n sp\u00c3\u00a4ter dann terminal... wenn ich eh per ssh auf der kiste bin ;)\n virt-manager funktioniert auch \u00c3\u00bcber ssh :)\n was heisst, kann auch xen?\n also, du kannst damit VMs auf entfernten Hosts verwalten\n Na, nicht nur QEMU und KVM, sondern auch Xen, wenn man das m\u00c3\u00b6chte\n Wenn du das nicht brauchst, einfach ignorieren\n nene, is super\n frag mich nur warum mir dann hier zuvor so AQEMU derma\u00c3\u009fen ans herz gelegt wurde\n direkt mal purgen :P\n yz3p, und auf welche Androidversion du updaten kannst, hat weniger was mit Google und mehr mit dem Hersteller des Handys zu tun\n AQEMU ist halt Qt, also eventuell besser f\u00c3\u00bcr KDE. \n Aber wer benutzt schon KDE ;)\n dadrc bitte mal ot chan schauen\n richtig! :D\n Was soll im OT sein?\n sry wenn ich nochhma st\u00c3\u00b6re ... das ist ja kein android forum, aber den internen speicher auf den ubuntu jetzt zugreift wird mit einer gr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fe von 2gb angegeben, laut hersteller soll das ding aber 4gb internen haben ist das so ne android sache?\n ja\n Auf dem internen Speicher ist ja auch das Android drauf\n achso uund das verbraucht dann die nderen 2gb?\n w\u00c3\u00bcrd ich jetzt erstmal von ausgehen\n kann man nicht auf die android system dateien auch irgendwie zugreifen?\n Wenn du dein Telefon rootest, ja\n cool, mach ich aber erst wenn ich mich ein bisschen besser mit android auskenne\n Normalerweise verhindert Android, dass der Nutzer am System rumspielt.\n schade\n ...halt kein richtiges linux, au\u00c3\u009fer vom kernel her\n N\u00c3\u00b6, ganz gut so, sonst h\u00c3\u00a4tten zu viele Leute kaputte Handys.\n klar ist das ein richtiges Linux.\n was immer ein richtiges linux ist.\n aber das ist eh alles offtopic\n ich meine an linux gibt es so viele config files und sachen, das l\u00c3\u00a4dt ja richtig ein die zu modifizieren...\n wie gesagt, offtopic \n ja schon klar\n yz3p: ja tut es. und das ist das tolle an linux\n * subz3r0 <3 his /etc dir :D\n solltest aber immer backups machen vorher\n sudo cp /etc/bla.conf /etc/bla.conf.original\n 3mal darfste raten was ich ncht machen werde\n schmutzige details interessieren mich nicht ;)\n das ist jetzt ***ei\u00c3\u009fe, das ungezippte ubuntu was ich auf android laufen lassen wollte ist 2,0 gb gro\u00c3\u009f der freie speicher im internen speicher aber nur 1,7gb\n bringt es da was ein paar apps zu l\u00c3\u00b6schen?\n dadrc: hab probleme beim starten\n yz3p: was ist denn das f\u00c3\u00bcr ein phone?\n muss ich virtmanager als root starten?\n Nein, aber dein Nutzer muss in der richtigen Gruppe sein. Guck mal im Wiki von oben \n ahh seh schon. \"mit libvirt konnte nicht verbunden werden. verify that: 1. libvirt-bin package is installed, 2. libvirtd daemon has started, 3. you are member of libvirtd\n punkt 3 d\u00c3\u00bcrfte wohl passen :)\n subz3r0: was willst du denn machen, ich hab f\u00c3\u00bcr vm-software fr\u00c3\u00bcher immer gerne virtualbox und vmware player genommen\n vmware is proprit\u00c3\u00a4r\n mag und will ich nicht, obwohl ich ne lizenz f\u00c3\u00bcr vmware workstation hab\n das ist aber ot. komm in den #ubuntu-de-offtopic\n na und\n vmware ist auch gut\n \u00c3\u00a4hh?\n OT?\n xen is auch toll\n ot?\n du musst in den offtopic channel\n lol das klingt so wie ab in die ecke du musst dich in die ecke stelle\n :)\n ja, als gott so manches verteilt hat, waren einige anscheinend nicht anwesend.\n EOL\n wir sind deutschland\n und da ist alles geordnet\n katalogisiert\n und wehe du machst was ohne fachschein\n und jetzt beschr\u00c3\u00a4nken wir uns aufs wesentliche und beschr\u00c3\u00a4nken Offtopic auf den passenden Channel :)\n h mach nur m\u00c3\u00bcsterchen und bin jetzt am 4.\n das ist das mit den gefalteten rauten\n ups sry\n lol\n :-) einen sch\u00c3\u00b6nen guten Tag\n Wie kann ich einen Kinder-Account gestalten das keine Systemordner zur Verf\u00c3\u00bcgen stehen. Also alle Ordner mit Punkt\n hmm... du meinst die Ordner mit . auch im homedir? Das wird nicht einfach.\n wwolf, das l\u00c3\u00a4sst sich nicht ohne weiteres machen. besser immer ein aktuelles backup vorhalten\n oder ein kiosk system\n wie alt ist das kinder denn?\n mir geht es nur um den Homeordner\n 9\n alles andere ist blockiert \n das wird deshalb nicht einfach, weil da die programme auch ihre daten reinschreiben\n Bringt ja nix wenn es im firefox Blockaden gibt die durch die Kids wieder gel\u00c3\u00b6scht werden\n wenn du nur den firefox erlauben willst, mach ein kiosk damit.\n zeig ihm (ihr?) die dotted verzeichnisse und wie man sie ein- und ausblendet und sag ihm, dass er die nicht \u00c3\u00a4ndern darf. mit 9 geht das schon ;)\n mhhh ....\n ppq da bist du aber leichtgl\u00c3\u00a4uig\n Seiten sperren geht normalerweise auf dem Router viel besser.\n deswegen ja kiosk system.\n soll ja nur die Kids betreffen\n die sind darauf ausgelegt, dass man da nichts fummeln kann\n kiosk .... ich schau mal\n ja, das ist nicht einfach f\u00c3\u00bcr einen Rechner gemeinsam\n wwolf, ist doch kein problem wenn mal was passiert, backup einspielen und gut\n wwolf, joa, dann bau denen halt einen systemweiten Proxy ein\n aber mit so nem kiosk hast du halt den nachteil, dass das kind sonst nichts nutzen kann.\n Schach, Write, Calc und kleinkram sowie firefox ... das muss schon alles gehen \n das kind ist mit 9 schon so weit nen proxy umzustellen?\n :-) die sind nicht dumm und lernen schnell\n dann ist es eh fr\u00c3\u00bchreif und darf auch fickbilder gucken.\n stevieh: ...\n innerhalb von wenigen wochen haben sie das password von mamas h\u00c3\u00a4nden abgelesen\n koegs: couldn resist ;-)\n wwolf: meiner hat als erstes gelernt, sich umzudrehenm wenn ich mein passwort eintipper ;-)\n unsere Filter funktionieren gut aber mit direkten zugriff drauf iss es witzlos \n gut, daf\u00c3\u00bcr stehst du damit jetzt f\u00c3\u00bcr ewig im www :)\n koegs: ach, das ist das geringste ;-)\n wwolf: ich hab ihm im firefox nen proxy eingerichtet und den l\u00c3\u00a4sst er auch stehen, da weiss er gar nicht, was das ist...\n damit ihr wisst was f\u00c3\u00bcr mMotivationda iss .... hier gibt es kein TV!!!!!!\n im normalfall hast du auch noch mehrere ger\u00c3\u00a4te, die du \"ein wenig\" sch\u00c3\u00bctzen willst: Tablet, Android Radio Wecker...\n wwolf, wenn es dir nur um den Firefoxproxy geht, guck dir mal https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/984504 an\n wwolf: und was willst du dann zumachen?\n Man kann Firefoxeinstellungen sperren\n dadrc: good to know\n Die Datei, die das Sperren erzwingt, an Root \u00c3\u00bcbergeben und f\u00c3\u00bcr alle lesbar machen. Dann kann die auch nicht gel\u00c3\u00b6scht werden und die Einstellungen sollten ausreichend sicher sein\n wenn sie in der Lage sind den .mozialla Ordner zu l\u00c3\u00b6schen iss alles \"Blank\" \n ok ... ich beles mich mal mit dem kiosk\n wwolf: den kiosk kannst du komplett zumachen, aber ich finde, damit nimmst du den Spass am Rechner\n Ohne Schreibrechte in .mozilla wird Firefox echt nicht gut laufen.\n Wei\u00c3\u009f garnicht, ob das \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt sinnvoll geht.\n offensichtlich fehlt dann etwas im \"Linux\" ;-)\n N\u00c3\u00b6, wieso? Irgendwo muss Firefox Bookmarks und so speichern.\n das steht au\u00c3\u009fer frage auch der cache soll bleiben aller nicht die settings\n sorry f\u00c3\u00bcr die Fehler\n Und das passiert halt in .mozilla. Du kannst versuchen, die Ordner und alle wichtigen Dateien root zu \u00c3\u00bcbergeben, aber die Bookmarks normal zu lassen\n Das k\u00c3\u00b6nnte (!) klappen\n wwolf: die Anforderung ist halt schon sehr Anwendungsbezogen... wenn es dir nur um Firefox geht, mach nen Kiosk, aber du willst ja auch andere Programme laufen lassen k\u00c3\u00b6nnen.\n Ich mein, root:root 755 auf die Verzeichnisse, 644 auf die Dateien, k\u00c3\u00b6nnte klappen.\n ok ... die Vermutung mit der selektiven Sperrung hatte ich schon \n Wei\u00c3\u009f nicht, wie sehr Firefox auf Schreibrechte besteht.\n ich prob mal\n dateien nicht l\u00c3\u00b6schbar machen: chattr +i\n Und dann halt die cookies, bookmarks und so wieder dem Nutzer geben\n wenn eine datei immutable ist, kann sie nicht gel\u00c3\u00b6scht werden, auch root kann das nicht\n allerdings was spricht dagegen, dass die kids sich nen neues profil anlegen? :P\n :-P\n firefox -profilmanger\n Schon, aber wenn die Datei dem Nutzer geh\u00c3\u00b6rt, kann er auch wieder chattr -i machen\n subz3r0: Keine Schreibrechte im Profilordner sollten das verhindern\n http://www.dietmarjanowski.de/wordpress/?p=12054\n dadrc: mit neun \u00c3\u00bcber die console?\n man k\u00c3\u00b6nnte sich nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich noch nen standalone firefox runterladen, mit dem geht dann alles ;)\n wohl eher kaum\n und wenn doch, w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich das kind weiter unterst\u00c3\u00bctzen!\n :-D\n denn dann sollte das kind auch verstehen, was er machen darf und was nicht :)\n hmhm, tats\u00c3\u00a4chlich braucht man f\u00c3\u00bcr chattr immer root.\n sag ich doch ;-)\n Dann ist das wirklich eine L\u00c3\u00b6sung.\n dadrc: ich weiss ;)\n w\u00c3\u00bcrd ja eher alle sperren weglassen und ihn/sie unbeschr\u00c3\u00a4nkt experimentieren lassen\n kam ja auch von mir *duck*\n ppq: naja, so ganz geht das leider nicht mehr\n ppq: dito. halt lange dr\u00c3\u00bcber informieren was darf und was nicht. kinder sind nicht doof\n :-) es reicht schon wenn die Kids sich in der Schule unterhalten und feststellen wo welche L\u00c3\u00bccken sind \n zu viele einschr\u00c3\u00a4nkungen hintern den lernfluss\n hindern\n innerhalb von wenigen wochen haben die etwas ... selbst aus der Windows Erfahrung heraus \n wwolf: chattr und immutable ist dein freund :)\n wwolf, tats\u00c3\u00a4chlich sollte es reichen, die Dateien von oben zu erstellen, dann chattr +i drauf und den Kindern die rootrechte wegnehmen\n Dann kriegen sie das nicht mehr weg.\n Der lernfluss bleibt .... die k\u00c3\u00b6nnen noch genug bl\u00c3\u00b6dsin machen \n wwolf: entweder link von oben, der bezieht sich auf auf firefox\n oder http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/chattr\n :-) ich werde ihnen schon zeigen was sie alles machen k\u00c3\u00b6nnen aber der rest des Rechners soll in ruhe gelassen werden, sowie die Filter.\n naja wenn sie kein root haben, k\u00c3\u00b6nnen sie ausserhalb ihres home orders und /var/tmp ehh nix machen\n sp\u00c3\u00a4testens, wenn sie sich lokal nen neuen Browser installieren k\u00c3\u00b6nnen hast du verloren ;-)\n OK .... thx erstmal ich probier mich mal an den Rechten :-)\n jipp wohl war\n achja\n sperre auch TBB\n ehrm die tor seite meinte ich\n mit dem TBB k\u00c3\u00b6nnen sie ohne root nen neuen browser nutzen ;)\n ok :-) daran hab ich noch nicht gedacht \n aber wenn sie wissen wie man \u00c3\u00bcber onlineproxys arbeiten kann is Hopfen und Malz verloren :-P \n hmm bzgl chattr\n deswegen, bring dich nicht um. Ich hab hier lokal nen proxy mit dns blacklisting und dagegen alle browser gebunden, die die kids benutzen und gut ist.\n hat von euch mal jemand option \"T\" getestet?\n \"Ein Ordner mit diesem Attribut wird vom Orlov block allocator {en} behandelt, als w\u00c3\u00a4re es der erste Ordner in der Hierarchie. Zugriffe auf diesen Ordner werden dadurch beschleunigt.\"\n macht das wohl sinn bei ext4?\n wenn ja, warum?\n wenn nein, warum? :D\n stevieh: das w\u00c3\u00a4re wohl die beste alternative :)\n aber nen proxy gut einrichten ist alles andere als trivial\n subz3r0: ? der squid stand in ner halben stunde.\n wie bring ich denn apticron dazu nur benachrichtigungen \u00c3\u00bcber sicherheitskritische updates zu verschicken?\n TheBrayn, w\u00c3\u00bcsste nicht, dass das vorgesehen ist\n jo, schaut so aus\n Ich hab ja einfach 'nen Check im Icinga, der mir das anzeigt\n Hi\n dadrc: icinga ist sowas wie nagios oder?\n Wie kann ich pr\u00c3\u00bcfen zu welchem Paket eine Datei geh\u00c3\u00b6rt\n TheBrayn, ja\n fffuuuL: http://www.faqforge.com/linux/how-to-use-apt-file-to-find-which-deb-package-contains-a-specific-file/\n fffuuuL: apt-file\n fffuuuL, apt-file search\n Gibts hier einen Channelbot der das auch kann?\n !apt-file xml-rpc.so\n fffuuuL: nope, hier wird noch manuell gearbeitet :)\n W\u00c3\u00a4re cool gewesen, kenne das so von phrik (#archlinux* Bot). !wtf is \n fffuuuL, aber wenn du das nicht installieren willst, http://packages.ubuntu.com/ hat auch eine Dateisuche\n TheBrayn: icinga ist ein Fork von nagios, wie weit der sich bereits von nagios weg entwickelt hat, wei\u00c3\u009f ich nicht\n Seit Icinga 2 ziemlich weit.\n wie agiert man eigeltich in kleineren Firmen wo der Cheff mehr sehen will m Web-Browser als seine Angestellten?\n m=im\n was sehen?\n allgemein Inhalte .... nur die Dinge die zur A wichtig sind .... kann sich zum Zugang f\u00c3\u00bcr Kinder ja nicht unterschieden \n \"-scheiden\" \n wwolf, du meinst, wie die sperren umgesetzt und konfiguriert werden?\n zwangsproxy, plus white- oder blacklist.\n womit es dann beantwortet w\u00c3\u00a4re\n und wo steht das der eine mehr content bekommt als der Andere? \n in den black- oder whitelists\n bzw. der proxykonfiguration. je nachdem wer da eben anfragt\n User-Gruppen spezifisch?!\n wird vermutlich eher nach IP bzw. Hostname aufgeschl\u00c3\u00bcsselt\n man kann sich auch an nem proxy anmelden....\n achso ... 192.168.0.10-20 je eine Gruppe usw......\n zum thema proxies gibts aber auch eine menge literatur... stichw\u00c3\u00b6rter: \"filtering proxy\", \"squid\"\n :-) super Thx!\n wwolf: ich hab f\u00c3\u00bcr die kids einen squid mit opendns eingerichtet, mehr nicht, das reicht mir\n okay ... bin schon mal lesen :-) \n stevieh> subz3r0: ? der squid stand in ner halben stunde.\n ja, bei dir. bei nem laien sicherlich nicht :)\n klar, man sollte wissen, was ne IP Adresse ist und wilde konfigurationsdateien lesen k\u00c3\u00b6nnen.\n 100%iger leihe bin ich nicht aber ein paar min. werd ich schon brauchen.\n leihe?\n ich leih dir nix\n :-P\n sollte aufh\u00c3\u00b6ren so schnell zu tippen :-D\n wwolf: ich kann dir gerne meine squid.conf schicken, tut mir nicht weh\n cool :-)\n must nur den IP Range und den default server name \u00c3\u00a4ndern. und klar, nen account bei opendns brauchste auch, aber der kostet nix\n und dann nutzt der/die kurze ifconfig und \u00c3\u00a4ndert die ip und bAANG kann sie/er auf schmutzige sites gehen :P\n ?\n geht das nicht auch lokal?\n haben wir uns nicht gerade drauf geeinigt, dass so fr\u00c3\u00bchreife kinder auch schweineseiten sehen d\u00c3\u00bcrfen?\n wwolf: doch sollte auch lokal gehen.\n :-D mit 12 vielleicht\n kA auf was ihr euch geeinigt habt. ich war beim griechen essen :P\n aber das blacklisting mach ich via opendns\n stevieh, pm\n Kann mir mal jemand sagen, wieso ich Netzwerkkarten vor 2000 noch mit 64-Bit-Linux benutzen kann und warum bei 32-Bit dort nur steht \"Waiting for network configuration...\" Alle Module usw. werden erfolgreich geladen.\n NikP: vielleicht noch Jahreszahl vor 2000 eingestellt?\n Muss irgendein seltsamer Seiteneffekt sein, an sich ist die Liste der unterst\u00c3\u00bctzen Hardware im Normalfall nicht von der Bitzahl abh\u00c3\u00a4ngig.\n NikP, startet er denn irgendwann das system mit 32.bit?\n bibber .. der Millenium-bug schl\u00c3\u00a4gt wieder zu\n mrkramps: Nee, ich hab nur mehrere Test-PCs.\n NikP, also verharrt der 10 minuten mit der meldung?\n oder l\u00c3\u00a4nger?\n NikP: der typ der Netzwerkkarte k\u00c3\u00b6nnte hilfreich sein ... und ich hatte vor 2000 leider noch keine 64bit-Hardware ..\n testdr: Diverse 3com Serverkarten und eine ATI PCnetII\n NikP: dann einfach ins blaue geraten .. vor 2000 gab es nur IPV4 ... und vielleicht rennst Du jetzt bei ipv6 .. gegen eine wand ..\n mrkramps: Nee, nur 2, nachher steht da \"starting system without full configuration\"\n NikP, und dann funktioniert die netzwerkkarte nicht?\n testdr: AICCU wird bei mir erst beim Anmelden gestartet.\n mrkramps: Wieso sollte sie nicht Funktionieren? Mit 64 bit klappt's doch.\n ok thy 4 Support :-) bis den \n NikP, weil du davon bislang nichts gesagt hast\n NikP: gib doch mal genauer an mit welchem System es noch funktionierte und welches jetzt nicht will ..\n der bug scheint noch offen zu sein oO\n testdr: Als Serversystem nutze ich zzt. Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Server, i386. Der zweite Test-PC hat Lubuntu 14.04 drauf, wobei es aber egal ist, welche Ubuntu-Version ich benutze, es scheint nur an der Architektur zu liegen.\n mrkramps: Mist, zurzeit nutze ich so'n Realdreck mit grade mal nem halben MB/s.\n NikP, in der interfaces hast du aber nichts manuell konfiguriert, oder?\n mrkramps: Nope.\n mrkramps: Sollte ja eigentlich auch automatisch klappen.\n NikP: und die log-Eintr\u00c3\u00a4ge wenn der treiber geladen wird?\n NikP: dmesg und greppen\n oder lspci\n kartentyp herausfinden und deine favorisierte suchmaschine benutzen\n subz3r0: Warte, muss mal kurz SSH aufmachen.\n ohne mehr input, werden wir dir auch nicht viel weiter helfen k\u00c3\u00b6nnen\n subz3r0: Jaja...\n aber, wie dadrc schon sagte, sind die treiber die gleichen in 32 und 64 bit\n subz3r0: nicht ganz -- wenn das alte 3-com-Karten sind, dann m\u00c3\u00bcsste die 64bit version daf\u00c3\u00bcr sorgen, dass der Speicherbereich f\u00c3\u00bcr die auch nur im 32bit bereich liegt ... -- hab keine lust zu testen ob z.B. meine alte nvidia-pci-graka noch funktionieren w\u00c3\u00bcrde ... was ich an uralt-pci-karten nutze, das l\u00c3\u00a4uft jedenfalls auch mit 64bit-Ubuntu noch \n NikP, was steht denn in deiner /et/network/interfaces?\n Wartet mal, ich muss mal kurz die fraglichen Karten einbauen und neustarten.\n Sind 3.\n testdr: ehh? ja...\n wortklauberei wieder... okay... es sind in ubuntu versionen der art 32 und 64bit in der regel die treiber f\u00c3\u00bcr die selbe hardware enthalten.\n sofern es denn 64bit treiber gibt\n und die karte nicht von anno tuk tuk ist und noch BNC unterst\u00c3\u00bctzt... mit terminatoren und so... old school... u know...\n subz3r0: .. liegt bei mir noch im schrank .. inkl. etlichen Meter gutes altes coax ...\n So, am booten.\n !nopaste > NikP \n :S\n :D\n er bootet doch noch... lol\n proforma sozusagen? :D\n Soo, hier isset.\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/7914905/\n Wie ihr vielleciht merkt, soll das 'n Retro-Server werden.\n pcnet32 und 3c59x sind die Treiber f\u00c3\u00bcr die fraglichen Karten. Karten\n die ausgabe sieht unauff\u00c3\u00a4llig aus\n Jo, das ist ja das Problem.\n /etc/network/interfaces\n Warte...\n und gleich dazu /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules\n /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules\n \u00c3\u0084\u00c3\u00a4\u00c3\u00a4h\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/7914931/\n :D\n argh\n dmesg + grep!\n nun is auch egal\n was ist eth3?\n Die PCNetII. ATI\n nein, die wird als eth2 registriert\n es wird wohl um diese hier gehen? -> 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX/TX-M [Tornado] (rev 74)\n dmesg listet 3 Ethernet-Ger\u00c3\u00a4te und davon wird Realtek als eth1 und PCNet als eth2 registriert\n eth0 wird nicht erw\u00c3\u00a4hnt\n Doch eth0 ist die Realtek.\n spontan bef\u00c3\u00bcrchte ich eher, dass udev mit den 3 Ethernet-Karten durcheinander kommt\n NikP, dmesg sagt das anders\n Leider habe ich ja keine SSH-Verbindung, wenn ich nur eine Karte nehme, und ttyS0 will auch nicht.\n ja -- 2 sollten problemlos funktioniere .. nur die 3com nicht\n NikP, wir sollten das vielleicht immer nur f\u00c3\u00bcr eine karte angehen =D\n das problem ist, dass gleich eth0 auf die nase f\u00c3\u00a4llt und dann scheint eth1+2 nicht mehr automatisch f\u00c3\u00bcr eine netzwerkverbindung genutzt zu werden\n testdr, nein, das problem ist, dass udev bereits mehrere netzwerkger\u00c3\u00a4te eingetragen hat, die so aber nicht wiedergefunden werden\n Ich kann ja nicht die Realtek rausnehmen, weil ich dann kein SSH mehr h\u00c3\u00a4tte.\n udev l\u00c3\u00a4dt die falschen treiber, f\u00c3\u00bcr die falschen karten\n NikP, nimm die 3Com raus\n f\u00c3\u00bcr die mache ich mir am wenigsten hoffnungen\n DIe PCnetII sollte ja eigentlich funktionieren, denn die ist ja die Grundlage f\u00c3\u00bcr alle VMs.\n Ich nehm die 3com raus.\n NikP, du musst die eintr\u00c3\u00a4ge aus der 70-persistent-net.rules ebenfalls entfernen\n die pc-net wird ja auch als device eth2 registriert ..\n eth0 und wlan0 sollten darin noch passen\n Mist schon runtergefahren.... \n :D\n mach dir ein backup und l\u00c3\u00b6sche die anderen aus der datei\n Noch mal von vorne...\n ja, egal \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 3com raus und neu booten\n So, bootet...\n NikP, die netzwerkkartenerkennung von udev ist ziemlich anf\u00c3\u00a4llig f\u00c3\u00bcr hardwarewechsel\n OK, ich werde erstmal die 70-persistent-net.rules leeren.\n NikP, auch ruhig vollst\u00c3\u00a4ndig\n beim neustart schreibt er dann neue zeilen f\u00c3\u00bcr jedes erkanntest ger\u00c3\u00a4t im rechner\n Soll ich LAN erstmal an der Realdreck dranlassen oder an die PCnet stecken?\n bzw. NICHT vollst\u00c3\u00a4ndig l\u00c3\u00b6schen, sondern nur die eth0 eintr\u00c3\u00a4ge =D\n *eth* eintr\u00c3\u00a4ge\n an welchem du das kabel l\u00c3\u00a4sst ist eigentlich egal\n Ich hab die Datei nur leer gemacht, bleib ruhig :D So, jetzt neustart.\n Komplett nochmal logs und ged\u00c3\u00b6ns?\n immer noch die meldung beim booten?\n Warte, logge mich grad ein...\n falls ja, die zeilen in der interfaces ab \"# The primary network interface\" l\u00c3\u00b6schen \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 also auto eth0 blabla\n Ich komm nicht in mein System rein....\n Mist.\n Aaah, er macht weiter. War wahrscheinlich das \"waiting for config\"\n Also klappt immer noch nicht.\n s.o.\n Hab ich eben gemacht.\n Werde nochmal neuen Inhalt schicken.\n WTF, komm immer noch nicht rein?!\n Bei der RealTek leuchtet das l\u00c3\u00a4mpchen dauerhaft, auch beim Stecker ziehen.\n * NikP holt jetzt den Monitor aus'm Keller.\n NikP, so leid es mir tut, ich muss hier aussteigen, weil wegen termine \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 \n Warte, bin wieder da.\n So wie's scheint, ist der PC h\u00c3\u00a4ngengeblieben.\n Mist.\n Welche Karte rausnehmen?\n Hat noch jemand erfahrungen mit Steinzeitnetzwerkkarten?\n NikP: ist das richtig, du hast keinen monitor an dem Rechner?\n Doch, jetzt schon.\n NikP: dann werd ich nicht schlau aus Deiner Ausdrucksweise --- ? wieso scheint der Rechner stehengeblieben zu sein?\n Macht nichts mehr, auch nicht beim Wechsel auf ne andere Konsole.\n Es begr\u00c3\u00bc\u00c3\u009ft mich die Meldung \"Waiting for network configuration\" -.-\n NikP: er ist aber richtig hochgefahren? Und Du bootest immer mit Anzeige der Meldungen (also noplymouth und quiet gel\u00c3\u00b6scht .\n Jup.\n Plymouth entfern ich mir eh immer zuerst, nachdem ich'n Server aufgebaut habe.\n Braucht eh niemand bei nem Server.\n NikP: ich habe gestutzt -- als ich den Hinweis auf \"eisa\" gesehen hatte ... ist es wirklich ein EISA-System?\n lol\n eisa war bei der konfig .. manchmal etwas merkw\u00c3\u00bcrdig ..\n N\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u00b6, ist kein EISA-System.\n Fehlt aber boch in meiner Sammlung :D\n NikP: gut -- dann nimm nur eine Netzwerkkarte und da nicht die 3com -- und dazu musst Du vielleicht unterschiedliche pci-ports probieren, denn die waren nie alle gleich vom system verwaltet ..\n es gab boards bei denen konnte man im bios einstellen wie welcher pci-slot genutzt /initialisiert wurde ..\n eth0 existiert nicht, also noch mal nur mit de PCnet im RealTek-Slot.\n Der weite unter AGP.\n wenn ein mainboard sich total selbst verkonfiguriert hatte, dann hat es wirklich geholfen, wenn man bei dem ding die graka entfernt hat und es ohne graka gestartet hat, damit das bios sich wieder mit gewalt zur\u00c3\u00bcck setzt ... \n und immer sch\u00c3\u00b6n dern Rechner richtig ausschalten .. richtig stromlos werden lassen ...\n Zzt. keine Batterie drin, also setzt es sich bei jeder Netztrennung zur\u00c3\u00bcck :P\n \"CMOS cheksum error, continue boot?\" :P\n BTW, mein Board ist ein ASUS CUBX.\n (Falls es euch hilft...)\n Soo, Klappe die 26. nur mit PCnet im 2ten unter AGP :D\n NikP: es reicht, dass es ein altes board ist und diese \"automatische bios-konfiguration\" der pci-slots hat sich erst langsam \"entwickelt\" - bedeutet, es gab da wirklich heftige Fehler\n N\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u00b6, klappt nicht, was nun? Weiterbooten lassen?\n demsg und kosnorten kann ich euch nicht geben, da das Teil ja kein Internet hat.\n NikP: klappt nicht = Rechner bleibt wieder stehen? dann alles raus .. booten und wenn es geht .. st\u00c3\u00bcck f\u00c3\u00bcr st\u00c3\u00bcck wieder best\u00c3\u00bccken ..\n Nee, bleibt nicht stehen, nur das \"waitiung for configuration\" kommt wieder.\n NikP: dann auf jeden Fall die netzwerk-config l\u00c3\u00b6schen .. damit er nicht da altes Zeug hat .. und das versucht zu initialisieren .. das muss blank sein\n Habe ich eben shcon gemacht, kann ich auch gerne nochmal tun...\n NikP: das kann nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich in die Hose gehen, wenn Du ihm die Hardware weg nimmst und in der netzwerk-config aber was steht, dass er versucht zu initialisieren\n testdr: Da hab ich schon drauf geachtet, keine Sorge.\n NikP: wenn der rechner kein Netzwerk-Hardware hat, dann kann das eigentlich nicht kommen .. \n testdr: Kommt ohne auch nicht.\n NikP: was ein Gl\u00c3\u00bcck -- ich zweifelte schon an meinem Verst\u00c3\u00a4ndnis\n So, rules ist leer, neustart.\n NikP: wenn Du hardware-\u00c3\u0084nderungen machst, dann m\u00c3\u00bcssen die persisten-net-rules immer gel\u00c3\u00b6scht werden ... oder man risikiert, dass da was kollidiert\n Bei meinem 64-Bit-testrechner hab ich das noch nie gemacht :D\n Kalppt trotzdem :D\n das ist der Automatismus .. der automatisch funktioniert .. bis es kracht .. --- d.h. theoretisch schon, aber in der Praxis funktioniert nichts einfach nur automatisch.\n wenn Du noch alte Hardware - Karten mit Jumpern - hattest, dann wei\u00c3\u009ft du das auch ... von wegen automatisch ... \n Es erwartet mich die zu erwartende \"configuring\"-Meldung... -.-\n Vielleciht mal mit 3com? Ich hab noch 6 andere Kartzen.\n Naja, nicht unbedingt l\u00c3\u00b6schen. Man kann die Devices auch so benennen wie man sie haben will\n NikP: aber das Problem d\u00c3\u00bcrfte klar sein -- wenn der Rechner mit nur einer Karte schon Probs. macht, dann mit mehreren erst recht ..\n testdr: Die Karte hat es \u00c3\u00bcbrigens diesmal nicht in die rules geschafft, die ist leer.\n NikP: Du hast auch keine Novell-ne2k pci-Karte drin? Mir ist schleierhaft wieso die Meldung in dem alten paste-boot-dmsg erscheint .. genau vor dem modul f\u00c3\u00bcr die pc-net\n Das ist das Modul f\u00c3\u00bcr die RealTek, die ausnahmsweise mal funktioniert.\n ja -- d\u00c3\u00a4mmert so langsam .. ein ne2000-nachbau .. und die funktioniert also jetzt mit netzwerk?\n Bist du nach 20 Uhr auch noch da? Muss jetzt weg.\n ja -- aber vielleicht afk .. anklopfen\n Jo, dann bin ich ma weg. Muss ne Octane abholen :D\n guten tag :)\n ist es ausreichend, wenn man zwei linux-distributionen paralell installieren will eine swap-partition zu besitzen? oder m\u00c3\u00bcssen bei 2 linux-distributionen auch 2 swaps angelegt werden?\n S732: eine reicht\n SunTsu: danke :)\n Es sei denn, er will sie f\u00c3\u00bcr Suspend to Disk benutzen.\n Dann eher nicht so.\n dadrc: der hintergrund waer interessant (und dann sehr einleuchtend)\n sysdef, ist eh schon weg\n Aber gut: S2D schreibt den Kram aus dem Arbeitsspeicher in den Swap.\n Wenn man dann das andere Linux bootet, nutzt das den Swap \u00e2\u0086\u0092 \u00c3\u0084rger.\n ich weiss das. ich wuerde es eher unangenehme ueberraschung nennen ^^\n Hallo!\n Gibt es eine M\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit, wget dazu zu bringen, den Namen der Datei, die es erstellt vom Ziel der Weiterleitung zu nehmen?\n FUZxxl, probier mal --content-disposition\n oder curl -J -O statt wget\n ppq: ok. Danke! Ich probiers mal. \n hm.. grad noch --trust-server-names f\u00c3\u00bcr wget gefunden, kannste auch mal testen\n ppq: Leider nimmt das auch Parameter mit, also file?foo=bar statt file\n ich hab da ein problem mit meinem 12.4.4 lts, ich bekomme seid ein paar tagen folgende fehler meldung: https://www.dropbox.com/s/gpgagv26lykz26p/ubuntu_12.4.4.PNG\n wie bekomme ich die meldung weg?\n sudp apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade\n welche version ist es dan?\n Und da die komplette Ausgabe in einen Pastebin bitte :)\n Das bleibt ein 12.04.4, wenn du keine \u00c3\u0084nderungen an den Repos vorgenommen hast.\n viel spass beim lesen http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/419432/\n Conan179, wieso sind da trusty Quellen mit drinnen?\n \u00c3\u00a4hm ich hab keine ahnung\n kann das kommen wen man ein upgrade auf 14.14.1 mit -d erzwungen wird?\n precise-trusty-fremdquellen mix? oO\n Conan179, zum Beispiel, ja. Willst du damit sagen du hast sowas gemacht?\n jein, aus probiert aber bei der sicherheitsfrage n gedr\u00c3\u00bcckt\n Conan179, dann wuerde ich jetzt mal die Quellen aufraeumen, alles was mit trusty zu tun hat entfernen.\n Conan179, auszer du willst ein Upgrade machen?\n jup bin gerade dabei\n ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde sehr gern auf 14.04.1 akt. aber es wird mir nciht angeboten\n super die meldung ist weg, ich hab jetzt nur noch 33updates die ich machen muss\n Conan179, server oder desktop?\n ist ein server\n das m\u00c3\u00b6chte er jetzt akt. http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/419437/\n Conan179, Server mit Oberflaeche?\n jup xubuntu mit vnc und ssh zugriff\n Conan179, du boeser, boeser Admin! Aber zurueck zum Thema, die Updates kannst installieren.\n fertig\n alle sind innstalliert\n Conan179, und was sagt jetzt der update-manager?\n das http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/419442/\n Conan179, nein, ich meinte update-manager. Der sollte dir das Upgrade vorschlagen.\n sekunde\n https://www.dropbox.com/s/ihw5e46ovz9bqzh/ubuntu_12.4.4a.PNG\n Conan179, und was sagt sudo do-release-upgrade --check-dist-upgrade-only ?\n \"Neue Ver\u00c3\u00b6ffentlichungen von Ubuntu werden gesucht Keine neue Freigabe gefunden\"\n 14.04.1 wird hier auch noch nicht angeboten.\n dreamon, Conan179 14.04.1 ist erst eine Woche alt, vielleicht noch nicht freigegeben oder so.\n wie lange dauert es normaler weise bis es das upgrade gibt\n Conan179, keinen Schimmer.\n ok\n testdr: Da bin ich wieder. Wo waren wir stehengeblieben? :D\n NikP: die Realtek-nic hat funktioniert ..\n testdr: Jo, aber die will ich ja eigentlich nicht verwenden, weil dir nur nen halben MB/s hat, kein WOL und auch kein Boot-ROM.\n testdr: Halt billig.\n NikP: darum geht es aber nicht, Du kannst ja jetzt statt der realtek eine der anderen im gleichen pci-slot testen ... ich habe den Verdacht, dass eine bestimmte pci-belegung zuviel ist .. \n Der letzte Versuch bevor ich gegangen war war ja mit der PCnet im Realtek-Slot.\n und? hat funktioniert?\n testdr: Nee.\n testdr: Guckst du logs: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/07/31/%23ubuntu-de.html :P\n falls ja, dann kannst Du in dem slot (als einzige nic) die 3com-karte testen und wenn die dann auch funktioniert, dann ist klar, dass die belegung kollidiert\n testdr: Ich hab sogar 3 3com-Karten da, also erstmal genug Material :D\n testdr: Als erstes kommt ne 3C905C-TX-M an die Reihe.\n ich hatte fr\u00c3\u00bcher firewall-server (unter Linux) mit 2-3 nic, aber immer die gleiche sorte..\n Conan179: Da der Distributions-Upgrade nur nach und nach ausgeliefert wird kann das auch noch geringf\u00c3\u00bcgig dauern.\n testdr: \"3c59x: Donald Becker and others\" Schaut schon mal gut aus.\n NikP: wie - hat er jetzt eth0 einrichten k\u00c3\u00b6nnen?\n testdr: Verwunderlicherweise JA! Yeah, der erste Lichtblick!\n WTF, sogar 2MB/s!\n Wusste gar nicht, dass die SO schnell war!\n NikP: d.h. die nic-s funktionieren mit der Hardware und Software -- was nicht klappt ist die Kombination in den diversen pci-slots --- du brauchst die Info ob die pci-slots einen bestimmten vorrang haben -- bei manchen boards ging das vom agp-port aus und bei anderen umgekehrt und dann gab es oft 2 pci-slots, die nicht gleichwertig waren ..\n testdr: Sieht so aus, als man die PCnet in die Tonne kloppen kann, nicht wie mrkramps sagte, die 3com-Karten. | In der Anleitung des Boards steht dar\u00c3\u00bcber gar nichts (ASUS CUBX)\n NikP: du kannst dann mit der zweiten nic testen und die in verschiedenen pci-slots bis sie l\u00c3\u00a4uft -- \n NikP: wenn es die pc-net ist, die ich kennengelernt habe, da gab es unterschiedliche chips\u00c3\u00a4tze und der hersteller hat die unterschiede nicht \"sauber\" markiert...\n Moin\n testdr: Brauchste was aufm Chip steht?\n Long time no see\n ist doch h\u00c3\u00a4ufig so, dass Hardware unter nem Vertriebsnamen angeboten wird, dann aber teils v\u00c3\u00b6llig unterschiedliche Chips verbaut sind.\n wenn Windows eine SD-Kart/USB stick formatiert wird keine Partitionstabelle erstellt oder?\n NikP: nein -- nimm die als letzte zum test\n jokrebel_: Schau dir DAS ,\n jokrebel_: Schau dir DAS mal an: http://www.redhill.net.au/b/b-bad.html\n Meine Entertaste hat's nicht so ;)\n testdr: Alle 3 3coms funktionieren.\n testdr: Yeah.\n testdr: Fehlt nur noch unser Problemkind. Alle Karten raus, rules leeren.\n * jokrebel_ ist schon zu m\u00c3\u00bcde f\u00c3\u00bcr sooo viel Text und dann auch noch in Englisch. Au\u00c3\u009ferdem scheint das sehr wenig mit Ubuntu-Support zu tun zu haben.\n NikP: schau mal nach ob im dmesg diesmal kein Hinweis auf einen kollidierenden speicherbereich auftaucht -- im ersten past war mir der aufgefallen, wusste nur nicht woher ..\n jokrebel_: Hat aber mit Fake-Chips und -Boards zu tun :P\n NikP: Was aber eher ein Hardware- und weniger ein Ubuntu-Spezifisches Thema ist, oder?\n jokrebel_: Jo, aber interessant.\n NikP: Ja, aber Offtopic ;-)\n jokrebel_: Jaja...\n testdr: Noch mal dmesg aktuell: nik@nik-server:~$ dmesg\n [ 0.000000] Initializing cgroup subsys cpuset\n [ 0.000000] Initializing cgroup subsys cpu\n [ 0.000000] Initializing cgroup subsys cpuacct\n [ 0.000000] Linux version 3.13.0-32-generic (buildd@toyol) (gcc version 4.6.3 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.6.3-1ubuntu5) ) #57~precise1-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jul 15 03:50:54 UTC 2014 (Ubuntu 3.13.0-32.57~precise1-generic 3.13.11.4)\n [ 0.000000] KERNEL supported cpus:\n [ 0.000000] Intel GenuineIntel\n [ 0.000000] AMD AuthenticAMD\n [ 0.000000] NSC Geode by NSC\n [ 0.000000] Cyrix CyrixInstead\n [ 0.000000] Centaur CentaurHauls\n [ 0.000000] Transmeta GenuineTMx86\n [ 0.000000] Transmeta TransmetaCPU\n [ 0.000000] UMC UMC UMC UMC\n [ 0.000000] e820: BIOS-provided physical RAM map:\n [ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x0000000000000000-0x000000000009ffff] usable\n [ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x00000000000f0000-0x00000000000fffff] reserved\n [ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x0000000000100000-0x000000001fffbfff] usable\n [ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x000000001fffc000-0x000000001fffefff] ACPI data\n das ist doch nicht dmesg.. ;)\n [ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x000000001ffff000-0x000000001fffffff] ACPI NVS\n [ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x00000000ffff0000-0x00000000ffffffff] reserved\n NikP: pasten!!!\n [ 0.000000] Notice: NX (Execute Disable) protection missing in CPU!\n [ 0.000000] SMBIOS 2.3 present.\n [ 0.000000] DMI: MAXDATA */, BIOS VMP 1005-3 * ASUS CUBX 11/30/1999\n [ 0.000000] e820: update [mem 0x00000000-0x00000fff] usable ==> reserved\n [ 0.000000] e820: remove [mem 0x000a0000-0x000fffff] usable\n [ 0.000000] e820: last_pfn = 0x1fffc max_arch_pfn = 0x1000000\n Spammer\n [ 0.000000] MTRR default type: uncachable\n [ 0.000000] MTRR fixed ranges enabled:\n [ 0.000000] 00000-9FFFF write-back\n [ 0.000000] A0000-BFFFF uncachable\n [ 0.000000] C0000-C7FFF write-protect\n mal schauen wie weit er kommt\n NikP: Nicht im channel!\n !pastebin | NikP \n nicht weit ...\n !pastebin > NikP \n Boah, wo isn der Bot schon wieder.\n NikP: Bitte benutze http://paste.ubuntuusers.de\n NikP: Dich h\u00c3\u00b6rt grad glaub keiner\n mein Auto mag meine neu formatierte SD Karte nicht. hat hier schonmal jemand sowas probiert: dd if=/dev/sdc1 of=/dev/sdc ? \n jokrebel_: Ja, nur die, die aktuell Op-Status haben.\n derFred: Der BEfehl ist bl\u00c3\u00b6dsinnig.\n nein\n Doch :)\n NikP: Und Du kannst gerne den Pasteservice nehmen der Dir taugt. Aber bitte nie wieder direkt hier rein. Danke\n ich will die partitionstabelle loswerden\n Es macht keinerlei Sinn, den Inhalt einer Partition auf einen kompletten Datentr\u00c3\u00a4ger zu schreiben.\n derFred: Dann ist der Befehl noch bl\u00c3\u00b6dsinniger. Die Partitionstabele wirst du so wieder los:\n derFred: dann mach ein: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc count=1000\n jokrebel_: Hab ich ja nicht absichtlich gemacht. Ich dachte ich h\u00c3\u00a4tte den Link kopiert.\n manachmal schon\n testdr, will den inhalt der partition behalten\n derFred: dd bs=512 count=1 if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc\n Entschuldigt, Leute.\n derFred: ENTWEDER willst du die Partitionstabelle und damit ALLE Daten loswerden, ODER aber du willst die Daten behalten. Beides geht nicht.\n NikP: So und nun nochmal zur\u00c3\u00bcck auf LOS und ziehen sie keine 4000 Euro ein ;-)\n He left.\n mmh -- also sicherer w\u00c3\u00a4re erst die partition zu sichern .. auf der festplatte .. und dann die partition neu anzulegen ..\n testdr: Das ist der Weg, den man normalerweise geht, ja.\n Jetzt muckt AICCU wieder rum.\n Was ist AICCU?\n bekks, nope. Das sdc1 ist FAT32 formatiert. IIRC nutzt win auf austauschbaren medien keine partitionstabelle wenn nur eine \"partition\" aktiv ist. das will ich erreichen\n derFred: Du liegst v\u00c3\u00b6llig falsch. Windows nutzt immer eine PArtitionstabelle, auch bei austauschbaren Datentr\u00c3\u00a4gern.\n NikP: So und nun nochmal zur\u00c3\u00bcck auf LOS und ziehen sie keine 4000 Euro ein ;-)\n derFred: Dass Windows u.U. auch mit formatierten Devices ohne Partitionstabelle umgehen kann, ist von MS offiziell gar nicht supported.\n ich bef\u00c3\u00bcrchte aber Pflicht f\u00c3\u00bcr mein Auto mit QNX\n derFred: Wie dem auch sei, das hat alles keinen Einfluss darauf, dass dein Weg, die Partitionstabelle \"loszuwerden\" definitiv nicht empfohlen ist :)\n Sichere die Daten, l\u00c3\u00b6sch die Partitionstabelle, leg ein neues Dateisystem an.\n bekks: AICCU ist der IPv6 clinet von SixXs.\n NikP: Ahja. :)\n bekks: Manchmal bricht die Verbindung zum Tunnel ab.\n bekks, wenn ich das mit badlocks check macht dauert das wieder die ganze nacht\n am besten erkl\u00c3\u00a4rst du kurz was du eigentlich erreich willst und nicht wie du jetzt schon denkst es zu erreichen\n derFred: Dann mach das doch ohne badblocks check?\n Ich trau der SD Karte nicht mehr so ganz\n derFred: wie gro\u00c3\u009f ist denn der speicher-stick?\n derFred: Dann sichere die Daten.\n 32GB. Hab noch ein bisschen platz gelassen das der Flash noch ein bisschen was frei hat f\u00c3\u00bcr bad blocks\n tja - 32GB \u00c3\u00bcber usb-2.0 dauern ... \n ja leider\n oje. Ich glaub die SD Karte ist besoffen. Jetzt zeigt sie schon 2 Partitionen an :)\n kann ich nicht irgendwie trim/discard auf mein device machen?\n trim/discard behebt keine defekten Bl\u00c3\u00b6cke.\n Die Karte ist hin.\n aber es makiert bl\u00c3\u00b6cke als unbenutzt die dann wieder als ausgleich benutzt werden k\u00c3\u00b6nne\n Warum machst du denn keine Sicherung?\n weil das eh schon auf meiner platte ist\n es geht mir gerade eher ums saubere l\u00c3\u00b6schen\n derFred: sauberes L\u00c3\u00b6schen einer SD-Card? Man nehme einen Hammer...\n wenn man sie danach noch verwenden kann\n derFred: sie ist kaputt. Du kannst sie Dir an die Wand h\u00c3\u00a4ngen\n ich kann noch ganz normal lesen und schreiben. Jetzt will ich das leben verl\u00c3\u00a4ngern\n ich versuchs mit BLKSECDISCARD\n bekks, kein Partitionstabelle anlegen und das FS direkt auf das device brutzln war des R\u00c3\u00a4tsels L\u00c3\u00b6sung :)\n :)\n mu\u00c3\u009fte zwischendurch noch hexedit bem\u00c3\u00bchen weil ich auf dem falschen device die Tabelle ge\u00c3\u00a4ndert hatte\n#ubuntu-de 2014-08-01\n g'morgen\n Moin\n War da nicht was, dass 12.04.4 mit Kernel 3.2.0 dringend auf neueren Kernel gebracht werden muss?\n Stichwort war glaub \"enablede Stack\" nur kappiert hab ich es nicht\n jokrebel: nene.\n jokrebel: es gibt den LTS enablement stack. der folgt den aktuellen versionen. und die version, die eben saucy gefolgt ist ist jetzt out of supprt\n LetoThe2nd: Also ist ein 12.04.4 mit Kernel 3.2.0-67 ok?\n ergo: wenn jemand ein 12.04 mit dem saucy enablement stack hat, sollte er auf den trusty stack wechseln\n 3.2 ist ganz ohne enablement stack und alles ok.\n LetoThe2nd: M\u00c3\u00b6chte diesen Rechner noch nicht auf die schnell auf 14.04 ziehn, aber nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich auch nicht out of support sein.\n keine panik.\n jokrebel, apt-get beschwert sich schon, wenn dein LTS stack zu alt ist\n also alles gut und kein Handlungsbedarf bis 2017?\n jo\n wenn du bist 2017 mit 3.2 gl\u00c3\u00bccklich bist ;)\n l\u00c3\u00a4uft prima, vermisse nichts und Versionitis wurde geheilt ;-)\n Hab genug rechner auf denen Alphas oder Betas getestet werden und so hab ich dann wenigstens auch noch ein 12.04 am Start wenn ich mal f\u00c3\u00bcr nen Supportsuchenden was probieren muss.\n Und da das ein alter Laptop ist hab ich da schon bef\u00c3\u00bcrchtung, dass ein LTS-Release-Upgrade da nicht problemlos durchzuziehn ist.\n \u00c3\u009cbrigens an alle die da die letzten tage schon immer wieder danach gefragt haben, wann denn endlich das Distributions-Upgrade von 12.04LTS auf 14.04LTS angeboten wird. Ich bekomme es auch immer noch nicht angeboten an diesem Rechner hier.\n ist raus seit dem 26. oder so\n dadrc: Ja, wird aber nur tr\u00c3\u00b6pfchenweise verteilt soweit ich weis.\n W\u00c3\u00a4r mir neu. \n Hast du da irgendwie 'nen Link zu?\n dadrc: Hatte schon gestern oder vorgestern danach gesucht als das Thema da war. Irgendwo hab ich jedenfalls davon mal gelesen dass da immer nur soundsoviel Prozent der User damit versorgt werden um A) die Server zu entlasten und B) wenn doch Bugs noch auftreten, das dann nicht gleich alle betrifft.\n Habt ihr Empfehlungen f\u00c3\u00bcr B\u00c3\u00bccher \u00c3\u00bcber die Geschichte und Kultur von Unix/Linux/Open-Source?\n auf jeden Fall \"The cathedral and the bazaar\", aber das besprechen wir im Offtopic\n secstack: Das ist wohl ein vielschichtiges Thema und w\u00c3\u00a4r deshalb in #ubuntu-de-offtopic besser aufgehoben\n jokrebel, danke.\n :\u00c2\u00b4( warum kann man nicht libSDL2-mixer (amd64) und (i386) gleichzeitig auf dem system haben?\n Weil libsdl2-mixer libmodplug1 braucht, und sich die 32- und 64-bit versionen von libmodplug1 nicht vertragen\n hmm \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 das libmodplug \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 wei\u00c3\u009ft vielleicht was da der genaue grund ist?\n N\u00c3\u00b6, hab nur mal geguckt, warum apt da meckert.\n achso\n ja aber danke :)\n joa, gerne. Eventuell mal bei den Bugs von libmodplug1 gucken, vielleicht gibt es da einen Hinweis dazu\n habe da eine spur \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 liegt eher was daran dass das modplug nur f\u00c3\u00bcr i386 vom entwickler stammt und naja es aber ja auch unter anderen systemen laufen kann \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 bestimmt haben die weiterf\u00c3\u00bchrenden leute da ein bischlen geschlampt beim abh\u00c3\u00a4nigkeiten setzten \n libmodplug1 ist noch nicht daf\u00c3\u00bcr vorbereitet, dass man die i386 und amd64 Version parallel installieren kann\n re \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 achso okay geser\n Hallo Leute. Kann mir jemand Tipps geben bez\u00c3\u00bcglich einer Backupsoftware, die auf einem entfernen Server laufen soll. Sie soll m\u00c3\u00b6glichst einfach konfigurierbar sein per Config-File oder passwortgesch\u00c3\u00bctztem Webinterface. Es sollen verschiedene /home-Ordner gepackt (.tar.gz) und auf einen FTP geschoben werden.\n warum das webinterface sichern, wenn die daten undesichert uebertragen werden? damit es geichert ist, dass die daten ungesichert uebertragen werden? das ist das konzept?\n NTQ: prinzipiell sind das 3 Befehle .. tar-packen, ftp \u00c3\u009cbertragung, lokales tar-paket l\u00c3\u00b6schen ... das macht man wohl mit einem script ..\n es wird kaum backupsoftware geben, die unverschluesselte authentifizierung und datenoffenlegung unterstuetzt, da das konzept sehr unueblich ist\n sysdef: Die Daten werden nur innerhalb des Strato-Rechenzentrums verschoben, da die uns einen FTP-Backupsspace zur Verf\u00c3\u00bcgung stellen.\n Oder was meint ihr mit Datenoffenlegung?\n NTQ: dann w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich die Daten aber lokal verschl\u00c3\u00bcsseln .. \n FTP ist unverschluesselt, jeder kann mit deinen zugangsdaten die daten lesen, loeschen, manipulieren\n Naja, man kann eh nur von unserem Server auf den FTP-Server einloggen. Von au\u00c3\u009fen geht das nicht.\n Das wird von Strato schon unterbunden. Man muss also sowieso auf dem Server sein um sich auf dem FTP einloggen zu k\u00c3\u00b6nnen.\n Wahrscheinlich eine IP-Sperre oder sowas.\n soweit ich das strato RZ und dessen ftp-loesung kenne, kann das jeder im RZ abgreifen, der dort einen server mietet\n klingt sehr leichtsinnig\n Achso, das wei\u00c3\u009f ich nicht. Aber ein passwortgesch\u00c3\u00bctztes tar-Archiv sollte ja nicht so das Problem darstellen.\n bei verschluesselten backups kann man sie nicht mehr lesen und nicht mehr manipulieren, nur noch loeschen\n NTQ: hast Du die 3 Befehle zusammen? (jetzt mit Verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselung eben 4)\n Ja, da gebe ich dir auch Recht.\n Ja, die drei Befehle kenne ich schon. Ich dachte nur da k\u00c3\u00b6nnte mir etwas die Arbeit abnehmen bez\u00c3\u00bcglich automatischem L\u00c3\u00b6schen alter Backups auf dem FTP bei \u00c3\u009cberschreiten eines Limits. Und einfaches Konfigurieren weiterer Ordner usw.\n Auf irgendeinem \u00c3\u00a4lteren Server haben wir da Areca laufen. Das gef\u00c3\u00a4llt mir aber nicht so gut irgendwie. Deshalb wollte ich mal in die Runde fragen.\n arcea?\n http://www.areca-backup.org/\n aha .. danke\n hmm ist ein dd | gzip auch okay? C:\n Mit dd kann man eher block devices oder zusammenh\u00c3\u00a4ngende Dateien kopieren, oder? Also keine ganzen Verzeichnisse\n hmm eigentlich auch verzeichnisse\n musst ja nicht immer die /dev/sdX holen ;)\n NTQ: Auch ganze Verzeichnisse, aber das ist nicht einfach, Du musst die Sektoren kennen und genau lesen/schreiben. Das braucht viel Expertenwissen\n Also Unsinn in dem Fall und ein R\u00c3\u00bcckspielen w\u00c3\u00a4re vermutlich noch mehr Aufwand ;)\n NTQ: lftp kann ueber ftp syncen. wenn du lokal genug platz hast die letzten n backups lokal liegen zu lassen kannst du mit --delete abgleichen\n sysdef: Interessante Idee\n http://www.webmaster-support.net/Kleines-lftp-Howto.html\n Aktuell sind noch 1,7 TB frei von 1,8 TB xD. Ich glaube das ist gut. :)\n NTQ: ich nutze bacula, aber das ist eher nicht einfach, daf\u00c3\u00bcr sehr gut und flexibel\n Mit lftp kenne ich mich aus. Hatte da schon mal ein Backupskript irgendwo anders gebastelt.\n Naja, gut. Ich denke ich baue dann was eigenes. Dann kann auch grad noch die MySQL-Datenbanken mit sichern.\n NTQ: ggf. auch interessant: http://www.butschek.de/fachartikel/perl-mysql-backup/\n Danke. Sehr interessant. Ich habe das bisher immer per mysqldump gemacht. Aber unsere Datenbanken waren auch recht klein. Maximal 10-20 GB\n Allerdings nutzen wir auch InnoDB\n NTQ: duplicity ist \u00c3\u00bcbrigens auch nicht schlecht, das kann auch inkrementelle backups, via ssh, ftp, etc\n Gabe gerade 14.04 installiert.. das lief bis grub installation tadellos. Bekam immer fehlermeldung das es nicht geht. hab nun livecd gebootet und es manuell versucht. Bekomme Fehler -> grub-install: error: failed to get canonical path of \"/cow\"\n dreamon: welcher befehl war es auf der live-cd-version um grub auf der festplatte zu installieren? .. klingt nach dem versuch grub auf der cd zu installieren\n Eigentlich nicht grub-install /dev/sda -> grub-install: error: failed to get canonical path of \"/cow\"\n dreamon: desweiteren .. wurde vielleicht eine \"alte\" partitionstabelle mit zu wenig platz am anfang f\u00c3\u00bcr grub2 benutzt?\n dreamon: bei dem befehl nimmt grub als boot-dir .. das von der live.-cd -- was wohl nicht gemeint ist..\n dreamon: du musst das boot-verzeichnis der installierten version auf sda angeben..\n dreamon: siehe im wiki beispiel f\u00c3\u00bcr grub-install --root-directory=/..\n testdr.. nein das Wiki hab ich ja druchgef\u00c3\u00bchrt unter Reparatur. Da steht es unter 4. so wie ich geschrieben habe.. und das f\u00c3\u00bchrt zu dem Fehler\n So ganz unbekannt ist der Fehler auch nicht -> http://askubuntu.com/questions/455782/ubuntu-14-04-wont-boot-after-installation\n dreamon: das beispiel auf der verlinkten Seite ist ein Zeichen von ... ignoranz! -- 2x mount von der gleichen partition auf /mnt und /mnt/boot ..\n sda hat windows installiert auf sdb5 hab ich Ubuntu installiert und wollte grub auf sda machen\n testdr, Er schreibt Optional!\n dreamon: Du hast nicht windows auf sda installiert sondern in einer partition dort ... bitte gib die richtigen Daten an..\n Im \u00c3\u00bcbrigen hab ich das schon sehr oft gemacht, nur noch nicht mit 14.04 ich f\u00c3\u00bcrchte das da ein problem vorliegt. \n testdr, Ich hab nicht Windows installiert. Sollte hei\u00c3\u009fen das sda nur Windows XP zeug enth\u00c3\u00a4lt.Aber das ist ja nicht so wichtig weils um Ubuntu geht\n dreamon: wenn du meinst, dass es egal ist wie du deine? festplatte \u00c3\u00bcberschreibst .. dann kann ich dir nicht helfen .. du hast ja angeblich das gelesen: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/GRUB_2/Reparatur \n Es geht mir um die Fehlermeldung und nicht um eine Diskussion, ob der schreiber des Wikis was falsch macht. ich hab das selbst schon vielmals verwendet. Bisher trat dieser Fehler nie auf\n ja und? Du hast auch nicht meine frage nach der partitionierung beantwortet .. ob genug platz ist .. und das \"root-directory\" f\u00c3\u00bcr den grub2-install willst du auch nicht angeben ..\n ich finde meine glaskugel .. nicht zum raten..\n Ok, also machen wir mal deinen Weg. sda ist voller windows Partitionen\n sdb1, ist nfts, sdb2 ist extended und sdb5 ist etx4 mit Ubuntu .., sdb6 ist swap\n dreamon: wenn auf sda der grub geschrieben werden soll, dann muss am Anfang genug platz sein und der ist f\u00c3\u00bcr grub2 gr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fer geworden ..\n wenn auf sdb5 das root von ubuntu mit dem boot-verzeichnis ist, dann muss das in der live-version gemountet werden und der mount-punkt beim grub-install angegeben werden -- steht auch so im wiki .. aber dein befehl hat das nicht enthalten\n /dev/sda1 ist 109.79MB gro\u00c3\u009f und sind nur 7.27MB verwendet.\n dreamon: grub2 braucht vor sda1 platz . .. nicht darin .. der erste Sektor muss mittlerweile bei block 2048 anfangen ...\n grub-install --root-directory=/dev/sda5 -> Aber das ist ja nicht ein Pfad\n dreamon: ?? mount /dev/sda5 /mnt .... und dann wird /mnt angegeben .. das ist ein Pfad .. steht auch so im wiki\n sda1 f\u00c3\u00a4ngt bei Sektor 63 an und ist ein fat16 -> Wieviel platz das aber ist?\n dreamon: das ist zu wenig ... man kann da ein force beim install versuchen .. das kann aber sp\u00c3\u00a4ter probleme bringen .. weil grub nur verweise dort speichert ...\n Also -> grub-install --root-directory=/mnt \n und dann noch wo .. also wohl auf festplatte ein: /dev/sda\n s/ein/eins/\n Also -> grub-install /dev/sda --root-directory=/mnt \n ja - wenn du richtig ge-mountet hast und dann sollte von grub der Hinweis auf zu wenig platz kommen\n Ok, weiter sind wir gekommen. warning: sektor 32 is already in use by the programm \"flexnet\"; avoiding it. this software may cause boot or other problems in future. Please ask author ..blabla\n soll ich mal rebooten und testen?\n Keine Ahnung was das flexnet ist.. vielleicht eine netzwerkbootm\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit\n dreamon: so .. und nun merkst du hoffentlich worauf ich hinaus wollte ... und ... --- ja, du kannst testen ... im schlimmsten fall geht nichts mehr .. und du musst zum alten grub-1.0 zur\u00c3\u00bcck .. \n dreamon: sektor 63 ist zuwenig -- selbst bei grub-1.0 hatte ich da immer 64\n testdr, Sorry. Ich hab das mit dem Wiki schon so oft gemacht, das ich dachte das ist easy\n Jetzt lande ich in der Grub bash\n dreamon: das ist der erste und gr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fte fehler,denn du machen kannst -- es ist nicht \"easy\" -- sp\u00c3\u00a4testens wenn nichts mehr bootet, dann merkst du es . zu sp\u00c3\u00a4\n t\n Ich bin da relativ entspannt, weil ichs bisher immer hinbekommen hab :)\n dreamon: ja .. d.h. grub kann den rest nicht nachladen ... bleibt die frage ob du in der partitionierung platz schaffen kannst oder definitiv nicht grub-2 nehmen kannst ...\n Ich frage mich f\u00c3\u00bcr was diese sda Partition da ist. Einfach l\u00c3\u00b6schen will ich sie aber auch nicht. Vielleicht die Gr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fe \u00c3\u00a4ndern, oder bekomm ich dann stress das XP nicht mehr geht..hmm\n dreamon: sda ist keine partition --- sda ist die ganze erste festplatte ... und wenn du da l\u00c3\u00b6schst ...\n dreamon: da ich windows nicht leiden .. kann .. k\u00c3\u00b6nnte ich sagen .. mach nur ... ?? --\n SunTsu: duplicity ist wirklich h\u00c3\u00bcbsch. Gef\u00c3\u00a4llt mir. Danke\n meine sda1\n dreamon: wenn du einen usb-stick hast, dann installier dir die super-grub-disk und nimm die um das grub-menu auf der 2.ten festplatte in sdb5 zu starten ..\n dreamon: dann musst du \u00c3\u00bcberlegen ob du auf einen ganz anderen boot-loader ausweichst, wenn du nicht genug platz schaffen kannst ...\n /dev/sda1 zeigt in gparted hinten als flag diag an. warum sollte ich die nicht entfernen oder etwas verkeinern\n Sag Feige und ich machs\n dreamon: ... ich wei\u00c3\u009f ja nicht was auf sda1 drauf ist .. vielleicht windows-installationsdateien .. und wenn da nicht alles belegt ist, dann kannst du versuchen die mit gparted am Anfang etwas zu verkleiner .. dh. den anfang nach hinten zu schieben\n dreamon: wenn es aber eine benutzte windows-partition ist ... -- ist wohl jetzt auch wurscht ..da du die so nicht mehr booten kannst ...\n d.h. soll sagen du wirst kaum eine live-windows-boot-cd haben um einen partitions-check zu machen ...\n Leider bricht gparted ab. mit einer einem Hexdump.. hm\n Mit testdisk kann man doch schnell mal schauen, was das alles so f\u00c3\u00bcr Partitionen sind und auch das Verzeichnis durchst\u00c3\u00bcbern.\n dreamon: ist den auf der 2.festplatte vorne genug platz ... mindestens 64 sektoren, besser 2048\n testdr, bei sdb1 steht first sector 2048\n Aber wenn ich grub auf sdb schreibe, dann bootet er doch immer erst sda ?\n dreamon: ich wei\u00c3\u009f halt nicht wie windows darauf reagiert .. wenn es nicht mehr die erste festplatte ist -- jedenfalls k\u00c3\u00b6nntest du die festplatten im bios umsetzten -- oder eben auf dem mainboard umstecken .. und bekommst dann wenigstens die zum booten, wenn du dann den grub2 dort installierst ..\n dreamon: man kann beim booten des rechners per F-taste (meistens) festlegen von welchem datentr\u00c3\u00a4ger gebootete werden soll ...\n dann w\u00c3\u00bcrde erstmal das installierte ubuntu f\u00c3\u00bcr dich laufen .. mit dem hinkefu\u00c3\u009f immer erst \u00c3\u00bcber diese boot-auswahl-liste zu gehen ..\n und da das ubuntu auf der 2ten festplatte l\u00c3\u00a4uft - kannst du von dort schaun ob du das windows auf der 1.ten platte irgendwie verschieben kannst .. oder - wie gesagt - vielleicht einen anderen boot-loader installierst, der dann einen \"chain-load\" auf den von der 2.ten Festplatte macht ..\n dreamon: also machst du erst den grub-install nochmal .. mit dem richtigen mount aber auf /dev/sdb\n wo ja genug platz ist am anfang der partition\n testdr, Ok habs hinbekommen\n Auf eine eine etwas andere Art, aber Wirkungsvoll.\n Habe einfach den vorderen Bereich mit Nullen gekillt, dann konnte ich ganz normal mit \"grub-install /dev/sda\" installieren. Ohne Fehlermeldung und ich kann windows und Ubuntu booten!\n dreamon: war afk -- ok ... dann war es zu wenig platz auf sda vor der 1.partition .. --- fragt sich nur was windows dazu sagt, wenn da was fehlt, bzw. wenn dort die windows-boot-installation lag (die sp\u00c3\u00a4ter nur noch gebraucht wird, wenn windows neu installiert werden muss) ...\n testdr, Halb so wild ist nur XP... das l\u00c3\u00a4uft eh nicht mehr lange.. \n dreamon: trotzdem w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich empfehlen auch einen grub-install (aus dem laufenden ubuntu-system) auf die /dev/hdb zu machen, damit du da auch einen installierten bootmanager hast ... der \u00c3\u00bcber die bios-bootreihenfolge ausgew\u00c3\u00a4hlt werden k\u00c3\u00b6nnen m\u00c3\u00bcsste ..\n grub-install war zu harmlos, als das es trotzdem dr\u00c3\u00bcbergebrettert w\u00c3\u00a4re. Ich habs auch auf sdb installiert..\n testdr, Aber ich hab wieder was dazu gelernt. Danke dir\n dreamon: np\n hi\n jau\n kennt sich jemand mit no script aus\n * mrkramps nicht\n ok\n lol\n Ich versuche mein Androiden Telefon per USB zu verbinden. Bekomme folgendes:\n kloos@kloos-ThinkPad-L530 ~ $ mtp-detect\n Unable to open ~/.mtpz-data for reading, MTPZ disabled.libmtp version: 1.1.6\n nopaste!!\n Google sagt man soll jmtpfs verwenden\n das sagt mir: Unable to open ~/.mtpz-data for reading, MTPZ disabled.libmtp version: 1.1.6\n touch ~/.mtpz-data\n .. Unable to read MTPZ public exponent from ~/.mtpz-data, MTPZ disabledNo mtp devices found.\n approach_: handy ist entsperrt?\n PBeck: ja\n approach_: was gibt lsb_release -a aus?\n PBeck: nutzte Ubuntu 14.04 LTS\n Ich hasse die umsetzung MTP in Linux\n approach_: da ist mtp schon dabei einstecken und gut - ohne install\n PBeck: wenn es funzen w\u00c3\u00barde, dann wuerde ich nicht fragen\n approach_: hast du schon sachen installiert, bevor du es normal eingesteckt hast?\n nein\n approach_: hast du jetzt was installiert?\n joa\n was den?\n mtpfs mtp-tools\n approach_: stecke mal das ger\u00c3\u00a4t aus und wieder ein und poste die ausgabe vom dmesg dazu\n approach_: bitte immer das ger\u00c3\u00a4t davor entsperren\n ich habe gerade geschaut was bei mir an mtp paketen installiert ist:\n libmtp-common\n libmtp-runtime\n libmtp9:amd64\n PBeck: dmesg sagt nix\n approach_: dann installiere mal die drei pakete dazu und schau dann mal\n PBeck klappt net :&\n approach_: was sagt dmesg?\n keine reaktion\n approach_: tail -f /var/log/syslog und dann ein und ausstekcne\n zumindest ein \"usb\" m\u00c3\u00bcsste sichtbar ein\n bringt mich auf die Idee ob \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt sicher ist, dass der USB-Port funktioniert ...\n testdr: :)\n PBeck: ist kein Witz - hab einen USB-3.0-Port, der manchmal nicht funktioniert ... (ich wei\u00c3\u009f nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich warum ..)\n testdr: ne liegst schon richtig, deshalb ja nochmal die ausgabe checken. danach soll er mal einen usbstick anstecken und schauen ob das was kommt\n *da\n PBeck: kommt nix\n approach_: dann teste mal mit einem usbstick\n approach_: oder einen anderen port\n Bei einem anderen stick kommt sofort etwas\n approach_: kabel io?\n PBeck: ja das ger\u00c3\u00a4t wird geladen\n aber ich hab da noch ein :D\n bin mal kurz essen - laden hei\u00c3\u009ft nicht verbindung, \n kurz pc restart\n so wieder da - approach_ hat sich was ver\u00c3\u00a4ndert?\n Haha PBeck fehler gefunden\n .. warum ist das lachen abrupt verstummt ... gibts noch ein tipp zum mitlachen?\n Hello body, body. There is a error with fingerprint in the official site, with version ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso and ubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso, them i ask pepoal go in the lunhpad for help the community: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bug/1349715 . For to found if it's broked file or error Fingerprint. Good look !\n FaboFabiFabinO: Time of downloads? My md5sum of ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso from may-2014 hat the correct md5sum: dccff28314d9ae4ed262cfc6f35e5153\n for me too. dccff28314d9ae4ed262cfc6f35e5153\n FaboFabiFabinO, by the way, this is the german ubuntu-channel. you could have asked in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-fr\n also, it might depend on which mirror you used\n ppq: yes but have you download .iso for to confirme this fingerprint? because this week after download, the file in site official is break or the finger print is wrong and you can find peapol send message and me at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bug/1349715 . I hope find in irc german a peapol come yes but have you download .iso for to confirme this fingerprint? because this week after download, the file in site offici\n al is break or the finger print is wrong and you can find peapol send message at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bug/1349715 for report this bug\n thank you for your time \n lissen me \n so so .. und hat jemand schon die neue 14.04.1 in den letzten Tagen runtergeladen?\n da\n FaboFabiFabinO, i downloaded it 30 minutes ago using the german mirror. everything ok.\n testdr: per update\n Hallo!\n ppq: ok can you send me a german server torrent ?\n Wie kann ich gedit daran hindern, mein Terminal vollzukotzen?\n Ich wei\u00c3\u009f, gedit 2>/dev/null geht, aber gibt es eine L\u00c3\u00b6sung, die ohne Redirects global funktioniert?\n PBeck: es geht um das iso, die live-version, soll auf diversen mirror(welche?) nicht mit der md5sum \u00c3\u00bcbereinstimmen ..\n FaboFabiFabinO, i downloaded via http. http://de.releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso\n testdr: ah h\u00c3\u00b6rt sich nicht gut an\n PBeck: na ja -- ich fang jetzt nicht an und downloade nur zum Test ... --- ppq sagte, sein download sei keine stunde alt und ok ..\n FUZxxl: was ist das problem?\n PBeck: gedit kotzt mein Terminal voll:\n (gedit:5700): Gtk-WARNING **: Calling Inhibit failed: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.SessionManager was not provided by any .service files\n immer wenn ich ^J eingebe.\n Oder speichere.\n FUZxxl: hast gedit mit sudo gedit gestartet?\n PBeck: Nein.\n naja, dann fix doch gedit :)\n FUZxxl: hast du es schonmal?\n Die Nachricht kommt daher, dass ich (bewusst) die ganzen Gnome-Dienste nicht gestartet habe.\n Will ich auch garnicht.\n naja, dann ist die meldung ja korrekt\n ppq: yes but i can't download FTP because my internet disconect every time (30 minutes)\n Aber gedit soll einfach die Klappe halten; es funktioniert auch ohne diese Dienste.\n i interresting find server torrent german\n wie startest du denn gedit\u00c3\u009f\n x42: Weil gedit ein passabler Editor ist.\n Ganz im Gegensatz z.B. zu vi\n oder emacs.\n unter gnome/unity gibts doch bestimmt ne tastenkombinaton um befehle direkt auszuf\u00c3\u00bchren - alt f2 oder so? wenn du damit gedit startest, kommt ggf nix in deinem terminal an\n ansichtssache :)\n * x42 will keinen editor flame\n x42: Ich starte mein Gnome-Applikationen \u00c3\u00bcblicherweise vom Terminal.\n Das sieht dann z.B. so aus:\n find foo/bar -type f -name '*.c' -exec gedit {} +\n Man muss doch irgendwie das Debug-Output ausschalten k\u00c3\u00b6nnen.\n ok\n dann halt doch zu /dev/null pipen ... wie oben beschrieben... ist doch gut.\n x42: Ist beschissen, ich muss jedes mal dran denken.\n Kann ich das hier sauber deinstallieren? > http://paste.ubuntu.com/7926806/\n FUZxxl: leg dir doch einen alias an: alias gedit=gedit 2>/dev/null\n ma so ne frage zu hexchat, was bedeuten diese komischen horizontalen linien die von zeit zu zeit zwischen dem text auftauchen?\n FUZxxl: dann musst Du nur dran denken, dass Du gedit mit pfad aufrufen musst, wenn du die fehlermeldungen sehen willst .. oder alias entfernen\n testdr: Das Alias ist keine L\u00c3\u00b6sung \u00e2\u0080\u0093 z.B. in dem find-Aufruf oben wird es ignoriert. Ich h\u00c3\u00a4tte gerne eine richtige L\u00c3\u00b6sung und keinen Workaround.\n FUZxxl: dann finde erst einmal raus ob diese Meldungen wirklich von gedit stammen oder ob sie von einer der benutzten gnome-libs kommen ...\n FUZxxl: schonmal in #gedit gefragt?\n FUZxxl: gedit ist der gnome texteditor - wenn da die abh\u00c3\u00a4ngigkeit aus dem code soll, frag doch an der quelle\n FUZxxl: statt alias gibt es noch das Nutzen eines extra scripts .. wie bei etlichen anderen programmen auch .. schon\n hm...\n Alles Workarounds.\n FUZxxl: dann schau mal nach wie viele programme \u00c3\u00bcber scripte aufgerufen werden, was Du scheinbar bis heute noch nie bemerkt hast ..\n naja das ist jetzt mal ein bl\u00c3\u00b6der workaround alles nach /dev/null zu schicken\n Ich bin mir ziemlich sicher, dass es eine Umgebungsvariable gibt, mit der man das ausschalten kann, aber die Gnome-Sachen haben ja alle keine Manpages.\n Also, keine richtigen.\n Alles undokumentiert.\n PBeck: #gedit ist leer.\n FUZxxl: wow, da ist ja wirklich kleiner :)\n FUZxxl: dann f\u00c3\u00bcll mal einen bug request aus\n irc.gnome.org\n Ich hab jetzt mal auf askubuntu.com und in #gnome gefragt.\n https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Gedit\n gnome verwendet einen eigenen irc server\n https://wiki.gnome.org/Community/GettingInTouch/IRC\n FUZxxl: oh stimmt auf irc.gnome.org ist #gedit (wie x42 sagt)\n ok\n Wie kann ich das hier sauber deinstallieren? > http://paste.ubuntu.com/7926806/\n dreamon: was sagt ls /usr/lib/nvidia ?\n ls: Zugriff auf /usr/lib/nvidia nicht m\u00c3\u00b6glich: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden\n mach mal\n sudo mkdir /usr/lib/nvidia\n Und dann die die Kommandozeile nochmal.\n Ah nun l\u00c3\u00a4ufts glaub durch\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/7926934/\n dreamon: Sieht gut aus.\n ppq: thank you, i found server german, guten Abend !\n * x42 aplaudiert\n ppq : danke\n jo, keine ursache\n FUZxxl, Danke..gleich mal rebooten und testen\n FUZxxl: nicht so einfach wie es scheint\n jupp.\n Ich bin doch selber da im Channel.\n Als fuz\n FUZxxl: jo ich wei\u00c3\u009f :)\n Starte ich blender in der Konsole krieg ich das an den Kopf geworfen. -> connect failed: No such file or directory->intern/ghost/intern/GHOST_WindowX11.cpp:200: X11 glXQueryVersion() failed, verify working openGL system!initial window could not find the GLX extension, exit!\n dreamon: glxinfo .. und welche blender-version?\n glxinfo->name of display: :0->Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig -> blender2.69 und auch blender2.71\n dreamon: schlechte karten -- blender braucht schon seit etlichen versionen unbedingt gute 3d-f\u00c3\u00a4higkeiten ... die letzte blender-version, die auch per svga-graka lief war die blender-2.4\n dreamon: ich dachte du hast nvidia installiert?\n testdr, ne ich hab mit blender schon gearbeitet.. Habe ja ne hybrid drin. Hab auch bumblebee installiert und auch nvidia331. Aber seit einem update geht es nicht mehr\n dreamon: eben -- keine glxinfo hinweise .. und es funktioniert nicht .. --? Also zuerst muss das mit 3d richtig funktionieren ..\n dreamon: x11-log kontrollieren was geladen wird .. auch lsmod ... ist das nvidia-modul \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt geladen .. etc.\n Das ist mit diesem Hybrid zeug nicht so einfach. \n lsmod zeigt nichts mit Nvidia an. K\u00c3\u00b6nnte sein das geblacklisted ist. Weil ich aus lauter verzweiflung mit der Intel mu\u00c3\u009fte\n dreamon: das klingt sehr nach einer ver-konfigurierten installation --- mein tipp w\u00c3\u00a4re (du hast noch freien plattenplatz?) auf einer kleinen partition (50GB reichen dicke) eine neue Installation zu machen und dort gezielt nur nvidia zu installieren ... \n hmm\n ttp://askubuntu.com/questions/505594/how-to-stop-gedit-from-pukes-all-over-my-terminal\n Man... manche Leute k\u00c3\u00b6nnen echt nicht lesen.\n dreamon: wenn dein Rechner die Option hat die interne gpu abzuschalten und nur die nvidia zu nehmen, dann sollte die Installation problemlos sein -- spart nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich nicht so viel Energie ..\n dreamon: hast du die Seite und folgende schon durch? > http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Hybrid-Grafikkarten\n Ich hab nochmal bumblebee installiert -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7927201/ -> Bringt fehler.\n dreamon: lies die Seite -- das steht auch was von \"prime\"..\n Bisher hat es gereicht sich von nvidia zu trennen. Aber wenn blender nicht mehr l\u00c3\u00a4uft dann mu\u00c3\u009f ich was dagegen tun\n dreamon: blender sollte (auch die 2.71) mit noveau-treiber laufen, da da auch einfache 3d-funktionen vorhanden sind .. nur nicht so schnell .. und nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich geht dann das gpu-rendern-cycles nicht\n testdr, ja das cuda dann nicht ginge ist mir klar. Aber das hab ich bisher eh nicht gehabt.\n dreamon: da du aber f\u00c3\u00bcr deine hardware das ausprobieren musst f\u00c3\u00a4llt mir nur der Tipp ein eine extra neue installation gezielt in diese richtung zu machen .. --- also ich hab z.B. (nat\u00c3\u00bcrliche keine hybrid hardware) sowohl ein 14.04 mit noveau und eine mit nvidia installiert in extra partitionen (kleine nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich ..)\n testdr, Ich warte noch auf die 14.04.1, das ich upgraden k\u00c3\u00b6nnte, vielleicht ist das problem dann ja behoben\n dreamon: lies dir aber noch die links durch - mir ist nicht klar welche hardware eher prime oder bumblebee \"vertr\u00c3\u00a4gt\".\n Wenn schon mein Installieren fehler auftreten, dann mu\u00c3\u009f ich das erstmal hinbekommen\n dreamon: eben -- wenn du gezielt die verf\u00c3\u00bcgbare Ubuntu-14.04.1 herunterl\u00c3\u00a4dst und Platz f\u00c3\u00bcr eine kleine partition schaffst, dann kannst du morgen schon das testen ..\n testdr, Das zieht einen Rattenschwanz hinterher, dann hab ich 12.04 und 14.04.1 drauf und die Configs auf der /home sind dann vermurkst. \n dreamon: na ja -- in den wenigsten f\u00c3\u00a4llen kommt eine l\u00c3\u00b6sung von alleine ... und das 14.04.1 iso gibt es schon und eine installation ist in einer halben stunde gemacht ... und es geht darum ob es f\u00c3\u00bcr deine hardware eine l\u00c3\u00b6sung gibt .. und die kannst du sp\u00c3\u00a4ter auf die alten installationen anwenden ..\n dreamon: und ob das grub-boot-men\u00c3\u00bc jetzt noch eine Auswahl mehr anzeigt oder nicht ...\n testdr, das mit dem Grub war eine andere Kiste :) \n sch\u00c3\u00b6nen guten Abend, ich br\u00c3\u00a4uchte ein wenig Hilfe. Ich nutze Gnome-Fallback unter Ubuntu 14.04. Ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte die Tastenkombi \" Super+Alt+RightClick \" \u00c3\u00a4ndern. Wie ist es m\u00c3\u00b6glich das zu tun? Ich habe schon gegoogled aber leider suche ich anscheinend falsch.\n Guest94369: nutzt du ubuntu gnome?\n ja \n Guest94369: okey, kenne ich mich nicht zu gut aus, aber in hast du in den Einstellungen keine M\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit gefunden?\n Guest94369: .. unter metacity (dem fallback) geht es wohl mit dem gconf-editor und dort unter apps->metacity->.. global-keybindings\n leider nicht, aber ich habe eine Alternative so eben gefunden. mit AltGr+Alt+Right+RightClick geht es auch, aber werde mal eben bei Metacity schauen\n Guest94369: die Einstellungen werden normalerweise im homeverzeichnis in .gonf/... abgelegt\n danke f\u00c3\u00bcr eure Hilfe, mit der gefunden Alternative kann ich im Moment auch arbeiten :) aber der hier gebotene Support, wird seinem Ruf gerecht.\n n8\n Guten Abend, sagt mal ist es m\u00c3\u00b6glich Ubuntu (oder jede andere Distru) so zu konfigurieren das - sobald ein neues Ger\u00c3\u00a4t, USB-Stick etc - angeschlossen wird eine Meldung an ein anderes Endger\u00c3\u00a4t geht und ggf, dar\u00c3\u00bcber das \"Heimsystem\" gespeert wird? \n Da ist es einfacher USB abzuschalten.\n Hm, aber genau das m\u00c3\u00b6chte ich nicht.\n Ich denke \u00c3\u00bcber eine externe Kontrolle via Pi nach - oder einem Software Detektor - aber k.a wie ich das so zum laufen bekommen soll. hm..\n Was m\u00c3\u00b6chtest du denn letztendlich wirklic realisieren?\n Ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte das ein Ger\u00c3\u00a4t von einem anderen Ger\u00c3\u00a4t \u00c3\u00bcberwacht und ggf, kontrolliert wird. \n Das ist bereits Teil deines L\u00c3\u00b6sungsansatzes. Was m\u00c3\u00b6chtest du genau tun?\n M\u00c3\u00b6chtest du nur \"freigegebene\" USB Ger\u00c3\u00a4te benutzen k\u00c3\u00b6nnen?\n sorry, dc - so. Nochmal zur\u00c3\u00bcck zu deiner Frage. \n Ja, wie du schon vermutet hast. Es sollen nur \"freigegebene\" USB-Ger\u00c3\u00a4te benutzt werden. Jedem Ger\u00c3\u00a4t wird ein Wert zugeordnet und sobald ein Ger\u00c3\u00a4t entfernt wird ist dieser Wert nicht mehr G\u00c3\u00bcltig und das Ger\u00c3\u00a4t wird als ein neues \"unbekanntes\" und \"irregul\u00c3\u00a4res\" Ger\u00c3\u00a4t angesehen. \n Und es muss erst durch einen Administrator_in freigeschaltet werden. \n Alles ab dem dritten Satz ist wieder nur ein L\u00c3\u00b6sungsansatz.\n Wenn du nur \"freigegebene\" Ger\u00c3\u00a4te benutzen willst, dann \u00c3\u00a4ndere die udev-Regeln so, dass auch nur die freigegebenen Ger\u00c3\u00a4te einen Devicenode erhalten, und alle anderen nicht. Dann brauchst du auch keinen Rechner zu sperren.\n Wenn du eine \"online\" L\u00c3\u00b6sung daf\u00c3\u00bcr wilst, in der der Admin per Mausklick auf die Anfrage eines Users reagieren kann, wirst du um sehr teure kommerzielle L\u00c3\u00b6sungen nicht herumkommen.\n hm.. dann muss ich eine kreativere L\u00c3\u00b6sung finden. \n Danke dir aber.\n#ubuntu-de 2014-08-02\n Gibt es ein Berlin-ubuntu-crack der interesse hat etwas on-site ubuntu lehre/hilfe zu leisten und als gegenleistung English conversation von ein Mutter-spr\u00c3\u00a4chler?\n bin in Bln-tempelhof zu finden..\n Ich biete wissens-tausch - english conversation (mother-toungue-) gegen ubuntu-lehre-hilfe?\n standort - bln-tempelhof\n Verwendet jemand parcellite ? Unter 14.04 krieg ich -> segmentation fault (core dumped) parcellite\n ich hhabs unter lubuntu 14.04 laufen und da gehts wunderbar\n hmm\n Ich verwende gnome-session-fallback\n hast du es denn ma vom termiannl aus ausgef\u00c3\u00bchrt?\n servus\n q\n Hallo, ich nutze ubuntu 14.04 - 64 bit auf einem Thinkpad T430. Seit etwa 2 Stunden habe ich aus blauem Himmel heraus sehr seltsame Netzwerkprobleme. Ich bin per WLan mit dem Router verbunden, kann aber keine Websites aufrufen und kann den Router auch nicht anpingen. Auch dann nicht, wenn ich per Lan Kabel verbunden bin. Bei allen anderen Ger\u00c3\u00a4ten im Netzwerk (Anderer Laptop, Smartphones, etc.) funktioniert alles einwandfrei. \n Auch nach 'nem Neustart nicht?\n hast du ne g\u00c3\u00bcltige ip\n Ich hab schon den Router neu gestartet und auch den Laptop neu gestartet, aber das hat nicht geholfen\n kannst du das laptop von einem anderen device anpingen?\n also die ip kann ich \u00c3\u00bcber ifconfig rausbekommen oder?\n ja\n waldemar, was war denn vor 2 Stunden? Irgendwelche Updates installiert oder sowas?\n hm, von dem Funktionierenden Laptop habe ich die IP 192.168.178.23, von dem nicht funktionierenden ist die ip 192.168.66.101 \n als ob es in einem anderen Netz w\u00c3\u00a4re\n \u00c3\u00bcber LAN Kabel ist die IP 192.168.66.103\n aber du hast die IP nicht von Hand gesetzt?\n nein\n Versuch mal, dir \u00c3\u00bcber DHCP eine neue IP zu holen\n `sudo dhclient wlan0`\n (oder wie auch immer deine wlan-Karte hei\u00c3\u009ft)\n Ja, so hei\u00c3\u009ft die Karte, aber ich habe wieder die gleiche Adresse bekommen\n Das klingt dann f\u00c3\u00bcr mich so, als h\u00c3\u00a4tte jemand einen zweiten DHCP-Server in dein Netzwerk geh\u00c3\u00a4ngt\n Zweiter Router irgendwo? Jemand mit 'nem Laptop, der sich einen Spa\u00c3\u009f erlaubt?\n Kann ich mir nicht vorstellen\n Aber das problem ist aufgetreten, als meine Freundin sich mit dem Wlan verbunden hat\n Dann wirf die mal testweise aus dem WLAN\n aber die ist absolut nicht in der Lage dazu, einen DHCP server einzurichten\n ist das ein windows-ger\u00c3\u00a4t?\n waldemar, naja, nicht absichtlich. Aber vielleicht hat sie da irgendwas drauf, wer wei\u00c3\u009f.\n Anders kann ich mir das mit IPs aus einem anderen Netz nicht erkl\u00c3\u00a4ren.\n Ansonsten halt mit wireshark gucken, woher die DHCP-Pakete kommen\n hm, ok. Wir haben hier irgendwie einen Repeater im Netz, der bisher problemlos Funktioniert hat, seit der vom netz ist bekomme ich weider normale IP adressen\n waldemar: etwas genauer bitte, ein WLAN-Repeater .. f\u00c3\u00bcr gr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fere Distanz .. und dann w\u00c3\u00a4re interessant welcher Typ und wie konfiguriert ...\n Sekunde, ich such den link dazu raus\n testdr: es dreht sich um dieses Ger\u00c3\u00a4t: http://www.teltarif.de/medion-life-p85016-schnaeppchen-wlan-repeater-aldi/news/55524.html\n waldemar: na ja -- das ding kann auch access-point sein und dann ist da ein dhcp-server vorhanden, fragt sich nur ob aktiv .. oder ob der versucht die Funktion des haupt-dhcp-servers (vom Zugangsrouter) nur weiter zu geben ...\n testdr: momentan ist der Schalter auf \"Client\" gestellt. \n Keine ahnung, vielleicht durch irgend einen Fehler oder sonst was hat er den DHCP angeschmissen ?!? \n waldemar: .. also nicht als \"repeater\" .. laut beschreibung sind es 3 Einstellungen\n genau, als client mit einem LAN Kabel zu einem anderen Rechner\n Sorry, bin hier nur zu besuch, ist leider nicht mein Netzwerk\n waldemar: dann tippe ich darauf, dass der dhcp-server aktiv ist denn der muss f\u00c3\u00bcr das Sub-WLAN-Netz die ip vergeben und die route \u00c3\u00bcber sich selbst angeben ..\n Auch als client?\n waldemar: wie sollen denn die WLAN-clients, die sich an dem client verbinden diese Einstellungen bekommen?\n Ich dachte, wenn er als Client im Netz ist, dann fungiert er quasi als WLAN-Karte, so dass sich ein anderer Rechner per LAN Kabel verbinden kann\n Ich habe neuerdings GNOME 3 installiert und nun sind unter Unity meine Desktop Icons verschwunden. \"nautilus -q\" hat auch nicht geholfen. Verwende Ubuntu 14.04. Hat irgendjemand ne Idee wie man das fixen k\u00c3\u00b6nnte?\n waldemar: laut beschreibung wird \u00c3\u00bcber das netzwerkabel nicht ein weiterer client angeschlossen, sondern das ist die verbindung zum router ... -- wenn man ein langes kabel legt ..\n testdr: Ich werde dem in 2 Wochen mal auf den Grund gehen, ich habe leider gerade sehr gro\u00c3\u009fen Zeitdruck. Vielen Dank f\u00c3\u00bcr deine Unterst\u00c3\u00bctzung\n spycrab0: was waren denn das f\u00c3\u00bcr desktop-icons? Die sind von windowmanager zu anderem wm nicht so einfach zu \u00c3\u00bcbernehmen .. --- liegen sie denn noch im Verzeichnis Desktop?\n Ja, sind noch da.\n Werden auch alle noch in Nautilus angezeigt.\n spycrab0: pr\u00c3\u00bcfe doch mal ob sich der benutzte Verzeichnisname ge\u00c3\u00a4ndert hat .. d.h. vielleicht wird seit der gnome-Nachinstallation nicht mehr \"Desktop\" genommen, sondern z.B. Schreibtisch .. oder \u00c3\u00a4hnliches ..\n Der Verzeichnisname ist immernoch \"Schreibtisch\". Ein Desktopverzeichnis gibt es nicht.\n spycrab0: ich hab grade kein 14.04 mit Unity laufen -- aber der Mist mit den Verzeichnisnamen ist makaber, bei mir nennnt sich das ding \"Arbeitsfl\u00c3\u00a4che\" also mit Umlaut ...\n spycrab0: hast Du denn schon versucht ein neues icon(Starter) anzulegen und wo wird der abgelegt?\n Bekomm erst gar kein Dropdown-Men\u00c3\u00bc wenn ich versuche auf dem Desktop ein Icon anzulegen\n spycrab0: da ist nichts mit dropdown, sieh mal hier: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Unity\n Ich meine das Dropdown-Men\u00c3\u00bc das sich normalerweise \u00c3\u00b6ffnet wenn man einen Rechtsklick auf eine leere Stelle am Desktop ausf\u00c3\u00bchrt.\n spycrab0: hast du den link gelesen wie unter unity ab ubuntu-13.04 ein icon(Programmstarter) auf dem Desktop angelegt wird?\n Ja, funktioniert nur leider auch nicht :/\n ?join #ubuntu-uk\n spycrab0: warum hast du gnome3 installiert? F\u00c3\u00bcr einen anderen windowmanager?\n Wollte mir mal das Gnome 3 Interface mal anschauen. Verwende aber immernoch lightdm.\n spycrab0: was hei\u00c3\u009ft \"du wolltest\" -- rede klartext, hast Du es auf einem neuen user-account versucht oder auf deinem Hauptuser?\n Hauptuser\n spycrab0: mehrere windowmanager auf einem user legen ihre Konfigurationen auch in dem home des users an und die k\u00c3\u00b6nnen schon mal kollidieren -- manche kann man (fast) problemlos wechseln (beim login ausw\u00c3\u00a4hlen) .. aber d.h. nicht, dass das immer geht -- wenn die Einstellungen f\u00c3\u00bcr z.B. rechter Mausklick ge\u00c3\u00a4ndert wurden, dann k\u00c3\u00b6nnte das auch f\u00c3\u00bcr unity gelten .. ----- erstelle dir einen neuen user und kontrolliere mal mit dessen login w\n s/unite/unity/\n moin\n hatte den tipp hier bekommen virt manager zu nutzen anstatt Aqemu(lief bei mir auch nicht)\n wie stelle ich es denn an, dass der gast im vollbild modus laufen kann?\n huch? apt-get bietet keine m\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit, ein paket ohne seine abh\u00c3\u00a4ngigkeiten zu installieren?\n huch? apt-get bietet keine m\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit, ein paket ohne seine abh\u00c3\u00a4ngigkeiten zu installieren?\n wieso sollte man das wollen?\n wenn man es *wirklich* will, was man h\u00c3\u00b6chstwahrscheinlich nicht tut, kann das dpkg\n schliesse mich der frage an\n warum was installieren, was nicht laufen wird?\n danke, ppq. und nein, das paket wird in der tat nicht gebraucht\n sonst equivs\n damit kann man leere dummy-pakete erstellen\n Hallo, kennt ihr einen Dateimanager der NFS-Freigaben auflistet?\n subz3r0: mit '-full-screen' soll der gast bei qemu im vollbild gestartet werden k\u00c3\u00b6nnen.\n Rochvellon: der gast bietet mir aber kein full hd an\n nur 1024*768\n subz3r0: -vga vmware\n bei virtualbox sorgt f\u00c3\u00bcr die aufl\u00c3\u00b6sung dann die guest additions\n kA wie es bei kvm(qemu) mit virt-manager geht\n hab auch schon gesucht. aber nicht wirklich was gefunden... sonst w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich nicht hier fragen ;)\n und man kann nur 9MB f\u00c3\u00bcr die grafik zuweisen... warum auch immer?!\n subz3r0: qemu-Beispiel f\u00c3\u00bcr ubu-iso: qemu-system-x86_64 -m 2G -vga vmware -soundhw es1370 -cdrom PfadZu/ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso\n je h\u00c3\u00b6her die Aufl\u00c3\u00b6sung desto langsamer wird nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich die Darstellung ... das \"zieht\" sich dann schon mal ...\n testdr: ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte virt-manger nutzen erstmal\n demn\u00c3\u00a4chst dann versuchen ne dedizierte grafikkarte durchreichen\n durchzureichen...\n#ubuntu-de 2014-08-03\n Ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde gern mein 12.04 upgraden, erhalte aber noch keinen Hinweis auf 14.04 - das Pointrelease 14.04.1 ist aber doch schon da. Woran k\u00c3\u00b6nnte das liegen?\n bodiro, Ich hab gestern ein upgrade auf gemacht. Wollte nicht mehr l\u00c3\u00a4nger warten. Er zeigt bei mir jetzt Description: Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS an.\n dreamon: hattest du den den upgradehinweis im updatemanager oder hast du h\u00c3\u00a4ndisch ein upgrade gemacht?\n bodiro, Ich hab mit do-release-upgrade -p gemacht(soweit ich wei\u00c3\u009f :)\n dreamon: na ja, wollt ich eher nicht. hab jetzt aber irgendwo gelesen, da\u00c3\u009f am 7. August ein hardwaredingens von 14.04 uaf 12.04 gemacht werden soll. vielleich tkommt dann ja die offizielle fraigabe. ein bi\u00c3\u009fchen geduld hab ich noch.\n Hab jetzt 14.04 und bumblebee l\u00c3\u00a4uft endlich mit meiner Hybridkarte. Geh ich aber in standby und erwecke die Kiste wieder, dann ist blender das ich mit optirun gestartet habe eingefroren und l\u00c3\u00a4uft nicht mehr.\n Hallo, wei\u00c3\u009f jemand etwas zu syncdrive.fr? Der Server ist down. Ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde das gerne nutzen. Es basiert afair auf grive, die site ist aber seit l\u00c3\u00a4ngerem down.Nun sehe ich, dass eine Canadische Firma syncdrive.com launchen will. Dort ist aber ausser ein 30% bar nichts zu finden. Ich habe bei einer google-suche bisher nur OpenText gefunden https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/opentext-announces-free-enterprise-file-130000888.html Das schein\n t aber auch etwas anderes zu sein. \n Guten Morgen. Xubuntu 14.04, seit gestern geht der Bildschirm nach einer Zeit auf \"blank screen\". In den Einstellungen ver\u00c3\u00a4nderte ich nichts, Updates liefen da auch nicht. Wo kann ich mit der Suche ansetzen?\n Energieeinstellungen Monitor schaute ich schon, da ist alles beim alten.\n Haraldo: Xubuntu? .. also wohl xfce .. das sind die Einstellungen von dem ..\n testdr, dieser light-locker.\n Haraldo: ja - k\u00c3\u00b6nnte sein, so weit ich wei\u00c3\u009f nimmt Xubuntu den als \"screensaver\" w\u00c3\u00a4hrend Lubuntu zum alten screensaver gewechselt hat\n testdr, ich finde den nicht unter Einstellungen. Da ist eh noch ein Gemisch aus deutscher und englischer Beschriftung.\n Merkw\u00c3\u00bcrdig ist nur, dass es erst seit gestern so ist, ohne willk\u00c3\u00bcrlich durchgef\u00c3\u00bchrte Ver\u00c3\u00a4nderung.\n Haraldo: schau mal da( bekannt?): http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Bildschirmschoner#Xfce\n testdr, danke, alles durchgeschaut gestern, ich finde nur den dort angegebenen Pfad bei mir nicht unter Einstellungen.\n Haraldo: das ist scheinbar kein Schalter mehr f\u00c3\u00bcr an/aus, sondern Schieberegler f\u00c3\u00bcr die Dauer\n testdr, den finde ich nicht mal mehr.\n Haraldo: ich das zur Zeit nicht laufen und kann nicht nachsehen -- hast Du mal in einem Terminal probiert \"light\" einzutippen und dann 2x die Tabulator-Taste .. ob das Ding \"light-locker\" sich nennt und dann aus dem Terminal zu starten?\n testdr, dass kann es fast schon sein, light-locker nicht vorhanden. Aber warum \u00c3\u00a4nderte sich da was gestern ohne mein Zutun? Dann werde ich den Light-locker mal rasch installieren.\n Haraldo: willst Du wirklich darauf eine Antwort? .. es gibt Leute, die glauben Computer machen die gew\u00c3\u00bcnschten Dinge automatisch ..\n testdr, hmm ja, die gibt es und ich weiss auch, dass dem nicht so ist. Aber wenn man nicht in den Einstellungen war und gestern auch kein Update lief, kommt man dennoch ins gr\u00c3\u00bcbeln.\n Haraldo: wenn der nicht installiert ist ... dann k\u00c3\u00b6nnte noch mehr fehlen. Hast Du die Erst-Installation ohne Internetverbindung gemacht?\n testdr, die mache ich immer mit aktiver LAN-Verbindung.\n Haraldo: bei meiner letzten 14.04 Xubuntu Installation hatte der nicht gefehlt ...\n testdr, merkw\u00c3\u00bcrdig.\n Haraldo: ich fand ja schon Deinen Hinweis - von wegen noch so viel in Englisch, merkw\u00c3\u00bcrdig ...\n testdr, Beispiel Screenshot, da ist es noch auf englisch.\n Der light-locker erscheint nun unter Einstellungen und ist auch auf englisch.\n Haraldo: da kann ich Dir nicht weiterhelfen - wie gesagt hab ich zur zeit kein Xubuntu-14.04 laufen ..\n testdr, danke Dir dennoch.\n Haraldo: wenn Du synaptic nutzt zur Installation von Paketen, dann schau mal nach was an Sprachpaketen verf\u00c3\u00bcgbar ist .. f\u00c3\u00bcr xfce, vielleicht fehlt da nur die Installation\n testdr, ah danke! Das schaue ich mal nach.\n testdr, Treffer, er meldete sofort, dass es unvollst\u00c3\u00a4ndig sei. Vielen Dank, dann ist das gel\u00c3\u00b6st.\n Haraldo: hast Du erst vor wenigen Tagen installiert? Als diverse Server etwas \u00c3\u00bcberlastet waren und noch wg. dem Upgrade sind?\n testdr, ich installierte, als die 14.04 frisch erschien, nur wenige Tage nach Erscheinen.\n Haraldo: das ist aber schon .. Monate her ... und seit dem ... ist das unvollst\u00c3\u00a4ndig?\n testdr, ja genau. Fiel mir nicht auf und ist mitunter schlicht gemischt in manchen Men\u00c3\u00bcs.\n Haraldo: ich hab mal bei der LUbuntu-14.04 nachgesehen - da erscheint bei mir der light-locker-settings auch mit englischer Beschriftung\n testdr, danke f\u00c3\u00bcr die Info. Der Screenshot ist bei mir zus\u00c3\u00a4tzlich auf englisch. Aufgefallen ist es mir in den Einstellungen, dort ist es bunt gemischt.\n Sprachpakete sind nachinstalliert, ich melde mich nachher mal kurz ab, mal sehen wie es dann aussieht.\n moin mir ist gerade bei einem upgrade die console abgeschmiert. wenn ich das upgrade wiederholen will passiert das hier : http://pastebin.com/JTswdNB7 ich schaffe es nicht das zu fixxen\n nasenbaer73: zu wenig Log, wir brauchen auch das davor.\n http://pastebin.com/msMyRNZP sdx23 \n rebooten hab ich angst, da wenn grub jetzt kaputt sein k\u00c3\u00b6nne, da gerade grub upgraded wurde als terminal abgeschmiert ist\n da l\u00c3\u00a4uft noch irgend prozess (oder sein lock wurde nicht aufger\u00c3\u00a4umt), siehe Zeile 11.\n killen?\n sinnvoll beenden soweit m\u00c3\u00b6glich\n n\u00c3\u00b6 liegt ja an der abgeschmierten console nehme ich an\n wie finde ich den raus welchen prozess ich killen/beenden musss\n lsof auf das lock verzeichnis. Oder debconf in der Prozessliste suchen\n sdx23: mach in einem Terminal sicherheitshalber den grub-install h\u00c3\u00a4ndisch .. -- es sieht so aus, als wenn der upgrade den neuen grub nicht installiert h\u00c3\u00a4tte ..\n sdx23: wenn Du schon einen grub2 hattest und sich das boot-Verzeichnis nicht ge\u00c3\u00a4ndert hat, dann reicht auch ein update-grub2 aus ...\n testdr, sieht das so in ordnung aus ? http://pastebin.com/cF4rEAii\n sdx23: auf letzteres w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich mich aber nicht verlassen, denn wenn im boot die module eines neuen grub2 installiert wurden, dann kann der alte bootloader mit denen nicht weitermachen\n testdr: nicht ich. Und davon ab, sollte er den lock wegmachen und das upgrade nochmal komplett ausf\u00c3\u00bchren, das reicht.\n nasenbaer73: prinzipiell sieht das gut aus, aber ich wei\u00c3\u009f halt nicht ob er ein neues grub2 bekommen hat, denn bei einem \u00c3\u00a4lteren Ubuntu?12.04 etc. war es z.B. ein grub-1.9x (was zwar auch die Version 2 von grub ist .. aber eben andere Unterversion)\n jop 12.04\n Ubuntu-12.04 hat definitv grub2-Version-1.9x und Ubuntu-14.04 grub2-Version2.x\n moin\n gibt f\u00c3\u00bcr ubuntu 14.04 keine m\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit mehr einen LVM mit dmcrypt zu installieren und zwar OHNE die platte zu l\u00c3\u00b6schen ?\n ich wollte meine anderen systeme nicht l\u00c3\u00b6schen und 400 GB als LVM mit dmcrypt erstellen und dariinn dann swap root und home erstellen, aber in EINEM LVM crypt container\n unter debian war das kein thema ...\n unter 12.04 klappte das auch noch wunderbar mit der alternatate cd\n SpeeFak: kennst Du das: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/System_verschl%C3%BCsseln\n jo las ich grad\n gibt das nicht mehr mit nem installer wie in 12.04 oder debian ?\n warum hat cannonical die option aus dem installer rausgenommen ?\n testdr, es scheint noch mit der minimal installation zu gehn\n SpeeFak: Du meinst die alternate-install-14.04 ?\n gibt keine m\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit mehr den CLI instaler von der desktop cd zu starten ? das w\u00c3\u00a4re echt \u00c3\u00bcbel die paar mb h\u00c3\u00a4tte cannonical drauf packen k\u00c3\u00b6nne\n diue gibs seit seit 12.04 nicht mehr\n 14.04 gibt keine alternater cd mehr\n nur noch mini image. der installer zieht sich alles au\u00c3\u009fm netz, f\u00c3\u00bcr mich ok, aber wenn ich f\u00c3\u00bcrn kunden systeme installiere ist das schon echt vervig\n wollte eigentlich kein eingenes repo im LAN aufsetzen\n :/\n teste das ganze hier grad inner VM\n bin mal gepsannt was installiert wird, wahrscheinlich nur das CLI interface und der gnoem desktop muss dann manuel installiert werden\n SpeeFak: dann schau doch mal nach was das genauer ist (der mini-installer), denn bei 14.04 fehlt (f\u00c3\u00bcr mich) mkreiserfs und da hab ich das deb-paket kurzerhand auf dem usb-stick auch abgelegt und kann das dann zur formatierung installieren .. auch ohne Netz/internet\n SpeeFak, alternate cd gibt es noch f\u00c3\u00bcr lubuntu\n testdr, der mini installer ist ( so wies hier grad aussieht ) nur der kernel zum booten mit den apt routinen zum daten nachladen, allerdings ist der CLI installer den den ich bisher aus den alternate CD kenne hier kann ich eine crypt partiton anlegen und in der dann per LVM alles weitere erstellen ( so wie ich es brauche,wollte)\n mrkramps, Lubuntu, dann hab ich den ganze datenm\u00c3\u00bcll von lubuntu drauf auch wenn ich gnome nutzen m\u00c3\u00b6chte\n SpeeFak, nicht wenn du die minimalinstallation nimmst\n SpeeFak: Lubuntu .. ist die kleinste Ausgabe .. das bisschen lxde ist wirklich klein ...\n wie gesagt, man muss lxde nicht mitinstallieren\n mhh dann wrd ich das gleich auchnochma teste , mein hoch auf die VMs :)\n F4 Modes \u00e2\u0086\u0092 Install a command-line system\n mrkramps: aber das ist mir auch schon aufgefallen -- bei LUbuntu wird erst installiert und dann werden die \u00c3\u00bcberfl\u00c3\u00bcssigen (ca. 20?) anderen Sprachoptionen gel\u00c3\u00b6scht\n das t\u00c3\u00a4uscht\n mrkramps: sorry .. da war meine Erinnerung durcheinander, das hatte ich bei der XUbuntu-Installation gesehen ....\n soweit ich wei\u00c3\u009f werden die nicht wirklich installiert, sondern die ausgabe h\u00c3\u00a4ngt mit dem mehrsprachigen installer zusammen\n also die paket f\u00c3\u00bcr die sprachunterst\u00c3\u00bctzung werden vom installationsmedium kopiert, allerdings nicht installiert und beim abschluss der installation die \u00c3\u00bcberfl\u00c3\u00bcssigen pakete wieder von der festplatte gel\u00c3\u00b6scht\n re mit kaffee :)\n auch haben wollen -.-\n *Kaffe in die Runde reich\n advanced coffe mit espressokocher, schmecht viel besser als filter kaffe oder senseo oder sonst was\n mit lecker milchschaun\n mhhh f\u00c3\u00bcrn CLI system installiert der aber aber recht lange\n das nach installieren ist kein ding, hb das schon ein installer script f\u00c3\u00bcr fertig das mir meine system passend installiert und konfigurieret\n server desktop vdr oder notebook, geht mir um die basis auf der das script aufsetzt\n testdr, mrkramps desktop CD kubuntu und ubuntu bieten kein CLI installer an\n Lubuntu lad ich grad ...\n SpeeFak, wie gesagt, alternate mit minimal gibt es inzwischen nur noch f\u00c3\u00bcr lubuntu\n und NICHT die lubuntu desktop cd\n sondern die alternate!\n SpeeFak, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/14.04.1/release/\n k lad ich grad auich nochma\n wobei : Server Edition - Wie der Name schon vermuten l\u00c3\u00a4sst, ist dies eine Version, welche speziell auf Server zugeschnitten ist. Die Paketauswahl ist f\u00c3\u00bcr den Einsatzzweck optimiert und es wird keine Desktop-Umgebung / grafische Benutzeroberfl\u00c3\u00a4che installiert.\n das k\u00c3\u00b6nnte vllt auch zweckdienlich sein\n SpeeFak, Server verwendet anderen kernel\n ich werd mal bischen rum testen und euch auf dem laufenden halten\n mhh mainline kernel \n mrkramps hat recht -- die lubuntu-desktop bietet nur noch die OEM-Installer-Option --- Lubuntu-Alternat-i386 zeigt auch die CLI-Option ... \n ?\n hmpf\n von der 14.04..\n wat mach cannonical da f\u00c3\u00bcr mist *grml\n also dass mit dem angepassten kernel wurde mir zumindest mal so erkl\u00c3\u00a4rt\n mini iso isntall abgeschlossen\n *trommelwirbel ....\n mrkramps, hab davon auch schon gelesen, werd gleich euinfach mal durch testen\n versuch macht kluch wie man so sch\u00c3\u00b6n sagt\n das mini image installiert nur ein CLI interface aber die installation ist wie gewohnt, l\u00c3\u00a4uft auch alles wie es soll also crypt mit LVM und im LVM swap root home etc.\n hast du was anderes erwartet?\n SpeeFak: brauchst Du denn unbedingt ein LVM? --- Wozu?\n der zeit nach zu urteilen die die instalation dauerte ein gnome desktop ;)\n weil ich nur EINE crypt patition hane wollte in der ich alle partition installieren kann\n geht nur mit LVM\n SpeeFak: aber das boot ist doch immer noch unverschl\u00c3\u00bcsselt?\n sosnt hab ich son crypt partition flicken teppich, k man die partiton \"veschalten\" find aber sauberer EINE crypt partiont zu haben.\n jo aber nur boot\n sonst nichts mehr \n ok -- das w\u00c3\u00a4re wohl zu viel f\u00c3\u00bcr Dich: wc -l /proc/partitions \n 26 /proc/partitions\n wen jede partiton einzeln verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselt ist steigt ( zumindest )auch die CPU last im gegensatz dazu wenn nur ein schl\u00c3\u00bcssel ben\u00c3\u00b6tigt wird um die partionen im LVM zu nutzen\n wc -l /proc/partitions \n 12 /proc/partitions\n na, das ist aber auch schon ganz nett -- und ich mache das, damit ich die gro\u00c3\u009fen brocken (gerade verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselte) nicht im default lade, sondern nur wenn ich sie brauche ..\n root swap home werden immer ben\u00c3\u00b6tigt\n beim LTSP macht das vllt sind wenn man versch. partitionen hat, aber f\u00c3\u00bcr desktop syetem\n dazu hab ich jetzt noch diese spezialf\u00c3\u00a4lle, wie btrfs mit compression, die zwar ganz nett f\u00c3\u00bcr kleine texte sind, aber selbst da bei vielen schnippseln schlaf-sekunden einlegen\n f\u00c3\u00bcr swap nehm ich schon lange nur noch eine Datei .. auf der verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselten partition ..\n prinzipiell egal ob datei oder partiton ( performance technisch ), is mir aber zu \"windowslike\" - macht der gewahnheit halt ne eignene partition\n testdr, Bist du da?\n ja -- war afk\n Ah hallo. Frage\n Du hast mir doch gesagt ich solle 14.04.1 einfach separat daneben installieren. Dazu hab ich mir gedanken gemacht.\n mein Gedankenleser ist defekt ...\n Mein /home ist verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselt. angenommen ich mache auf sda eine eigene Partition mit dem neuen 14.04.1 und m\u00c3\u00b6chte das alte /home das auf sdb ist einh\u00c3\u00a4ngen ohne neu anzulegen. (das ist ja verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselt) geht das?\n Mu\u00c3\u009f ich dazu nur der gleiche user sein, mit dem gleichen Passwort.. oder geht das in die Hosen?\n dreamon: ja -- nur nicht gleich -- erst machst Du eine normale installation auf eine extra root-partition - und wenn das l\u00c3\u00a4uft mit dem user, dann erst \u00c3\u00a4nderst Du -- wobei ich niemals den kompletten user ersetzt habe .. , weil ich sonst nicht mehr alte versionen nutzen kann --- d.h. bei mir ist noch ein 10.04 und 12.04 installiert und beide user-home-verzeichnisse liegen auf einer extra verschl\u00c3\u00bcselten partition und werden als \"mount -\n dreamon: das geht dann in die Hose, wenn -- wie auch bei ubuntu - die user-id sich ge\u00c3\u00a4ndert hat ... dann liegt ein User pl\u00c3\u00b6tzlich auf einer etwas anderen Nummer -- wobei.. ich glaub das geht, das ist die user-id 1000\n testdr, So richtig verstehe ich es noch nicht.. aber ich wiederhole mal.\n dreamon: ach so -- ich bin davon ausgegangen Du nutzt lukscrypt verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselte partitionen\n Ich installiere also ohne home einfach auf / mit dem gleichen usernamen und verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselt und Passwort.\n testdr, Ne ich verwendet das Ubuntu eigene ecryptfs\n dreamon: nein -- mit dem home in der root-partition --- Upps - ich glaube das geht so nicht... wobei, da gibt es einen ausf\u00c3\u00bchrlichen wiki-Eintrag, wenn man mit solchen Daten \"umziehen\" will (also auf eine andere Version).\n Eigentlich will ich ja die home so behalten wie sie ist, nur Ubuntu neu installieren und die /home wieder einh\u00c3\u00a4ngen.\n Ich dachte das er die vielleicht selbst einh\u00c3\u00a4ngt,wenn ich den Haken bei formatieren weglasse und die gleiche login daten eingebe?\n dreamon: das ist das problem mit dem upgrade --- wenn es funktioniert ist alles ganz einfach und bequem ... aber wenn nicht, dann haben die wenigsten ein backup zum zur\u00c3\u00bcckspielen ...\n und manche merken erst nach tagen, dass eine lieblingsapplikation nicht so l\u00c3\u00a4uft, wie im alten system .. und wollen dann zur\u00c3\u00bcck ..\n testdr, Backup ist schon da.. Hab ich gerade zur\u00c3\u00bcckgespielt weil ich gemurkst hatte. :) Aber von Home akutell hab ich keins\n Ich habe ein upgrade durchgezogen,aber wenn ich bumblebee in Standby schicke bei aktiver Anwendung(blender) dann h\u00c3\u00a4ngt es sich beim Erwachen auf.\n dreamon: -- dann schalte \"standby\" ab --- ich nutze so was gar nicht, entweder rechner ist an oder wird ausgemacht ... und zwar richtig .. d.h. sogar vom stromnetz getrennt (extra schalter)\n testdr, Bei einem notebook, das immer dabei ist, brauch ich das zwingend.\n dreamon: das ist der punkt an dem ich dir nur empfehlen kann mehrere ubuntu-Installationen zu machen -- mindestens 2 - eine f\u00c3\u00bcr Unterwegs, wenn es auf das Stromsparen ankommt (und dann geht eben einiges nicht ..) und eine andere f\u00c3\u00bcr Stromnetzbetrieb .. -- solange jedenfalls bis dieser murks mit den unterschiedlichen gpu und dem umschalten gel\u00c3\u00b6st wurde. Nur zur Zeit funktioniert das eben noch nicht ..\n parcellite geht auch nicht mehr - 4231 segmentation fault (core dumped) parcellite\n Wenn der Bug bekannt ist, dann stell ich solang auf Intel GPU um bis das wieder geht. Dann sitz ichs aus\n dreamon: dann geht doch aber (angeblich) blender nicht bei Dir?\n testdr, ne. das lag am 12.04 (ein Update dann gints nicht mehr) jetzt bin ich ja bei 14.04 .. und da war der Fehler weg. Mit Intel hab ich aber nicht getestet. \n testdr, Aber ich glaub es geht nicht -> http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/nach-neuinstallation-kein-zugriff-auf-verschlu/\n dreamon: so was \u00c3\u00a4hnliches hatte ich im Hinterkopf --man muss das alte system booten, daten unverschl\u00c3\u00bcsselt kopieren und dann im neuen system in das verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselt kopieren ---- deshalb nehm ich auch lukscrypt und ganze verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselte partitionen ..\n puh. dann lass ich mir dabei mal ordentlich Zeit. :)\n deshalb war ja meine Rede 14.04 extra zu installieren, unabh\u00c3\u00a4ngig vom alten system und das gezielt per boot-men\u00c3\u00bc booten um zu testen was passt und was nicht -- ich hab auch noch nicht von 12.04 auf 14.04 umgestellt, wahrscheinlich in den n\u00c3\u00a4chsten wochen und so wie es aussieht wird mein hauptsystem den gnome-fallback nehmen .. -- wobei ich schon noch etwas zu lxde tendiere\n Ich verwende den gnome-fallback.\n da gibt es jetzt aber 2 davon ... \n ??\n Welche sind das? ich habe gnome-session-fallback installiert.\n kann ich aus dem kopf nicht sagen .. m\u00c3\u00bcsste dazu neu booten .. eben meine spielwiese ...\n zwei verschiedene gnome fallbacks? was ist der unterschied?\n nennt sich jetzt ja \"flashback\" ... einmal mit compiz .. und einmal pur metacity .. \n compiz ist was f\u00c3\u00bcr die eye-candy-freaks ..\n testdr, Danke das werd ich gleich mal antesten. gnome-fallback versteckt mir immer wieder meine trays.. \n Kennst du bei 14.04 vielleicht eine alternative zu nautilus, das nautilus wurde abgespeckt .. keine Statusleiste, kein F3 splitscreen\n lol ... wenn ich viel kopieren muss ... so click und clack .. dann nehm ich den \"mc\" .. (im gro\u00c3\u009fen Terminal)\n testdr, f\u00c3\u00bcr wichtiges verwende ich double commander.. der ist dem MC sehr nahe.\n nautilus scheint kaputt optimiert worden zu sein - will man mit einem server verbinden muss man das protokoll von hand eingeben, keine auswahl mehr. \n dreamon: du kannst nemo installieren\n http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Nemo\n Ah sch\u00c3\u00b6n kann man den als Ersatz einrichten, so das er anstelle von nautilus startet.?\n schon gefunden -> xdg-mime default nemo.desktop inode/directory application/x-gnome-saved-search \n dreamon: jop steht dort alles im artikel. Habe jetzt gerade zum testen mal die version aus den quellen installiert. musst mal untersuchen ob das ppa nicht sinnvoller ist (wie im artikel beschrieben)\n Welchen Clipboardmanager verwendet ihr unter 14.04?\n SpeeFak: ... wurde eigentlich alles installiert? ... Oder immer noch dabei? -- Mir ist erst jetzt eingefallen, dass die alternate-14.04.iso unbedingt direkt auf den usb-stick kopiert werden musste und nicht \u00c3\u00bcber einen multiboot-grub-boot-stick funktionierte ...\n testdr, nachdem ich ubuntu-desktop gnome installier hb ists wie ne native installation mit desktop cd\n SpeeFak: hattest Du die alternate-iso auf CD gebrannt oder von usb-stick gestartet?\n alternate gar nicht,mini image\n inner vm\n ob es mit multiboot funktioniert muss ich gucken\n multisystem mein ich\n mit dd die iso aufn stick geht nicht ?\n doch, dass funktionierte ... nur ich dachte wie die anderen ubuntu-isos, die w\u00c3\u00bcrde auch vom multiboot-grub funktionieren .. war so sch\u00c3\u00b6n bequem\n war sowieso ein krampf, der rechner konnte nicht von usb booten und ich brauchte den plop-bootmanager zum starten ..\n ich nutze : http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/MultiSystem\n Neulich hab ich 14.04.1 mit dd einfach auf Stick geklatscht.. bootete nicht\n cannocial bastel seit der 12.04 echt zuveil an den grundlegendingen herum\n allein den CLI installer rauszuschmei\u00c3\u009fen - geht gar nicht !\n Parcellite l\u00c3\u00a4uft mit 1.18 wieder, ist aber nicht in den Paketquellen\n dreamon: ClipIt {en} wurde erstmals Ende 2010 ver\u00c3\u00b6ffentlicht. Es handelt sich um eine unabh\u00c3\u00a4ngige Weiterentwicklung von Parcellite (siehe unten). Ab Ubuntu 11.04 ist es in den offiziellen Paketquellen enthalten\n jokrebel, danke\n testdr, bin nu mal away, install tesintg geht sp\u00c3\u00a4ter weister\n Ich habe einen Netzwerkmonitor im Panel laufen, der zeigt seit dem update auf 14.04 nur noch 0B/s f\u00c3\u00bcr up und download an. Bei lan und auch wlan identisch\n Ist ein Netzwerk Monitor applet aber schon etwas \u00c3\u00a4lter 2010.\n dreamon: Vermutlich hat sich Dein Device ge\u00c3\u00a4ndert und hei\u00c3\u009ft nun nicht mehr wlan0 sondern wlan1 oder 2\n jokrebel, Richtig. Aber es ist unter Einstellungen korrekt drin. \n dreamon: Wie hei\u00c3\u009ft das Tool?\n und welcher Desktop?\n https://projects.gnome.org/netspeed/ gnome-session-fallback\n nehme gern auch einen anderen\n dreamon: Sorry, den kenn ich nicht. Und von Gnome bin auch schon l\u00c3\u00a4nger weg. Hab hier System Load Indicator im Unity-panel\n dreamon: Und conky\n doll, ich habe probleme mit wechseldatentr\u00c3\u00a4gern. werfe ich bspw. eine cd mit dem hardwareschalter aus, so wird die cd weiterhin als eingeh\u00c3\u00a4ngt angezeigt. in gnome-disks? wird weiterhin ein geisteintrag von meiner usb-platte angezeigt, den ich selbst bei eingeh\u00c3\u00a4ngtem laufwerk nicht bearbeiten kann, wobei dann ein 2. eintrag dort vorhanden ist, der normal bearbeitet werden kann. any ideas to fix it? 14.04\n hi. ich hab das merkw\u00c3\u00bcrdige problem dass ich, wenn ich einzelne buchstaben auf der cmdline tippe, die teilweise xfach auftauchen\n als ob der key h\u00c3\u00a4ngen w\u00c3\u00bcrde. ist das ein known bug? auf meinem anderen system hab ich das nicht gehabt und suche jetzt die ursache\n https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/39315 das problem.. mimer noch da :S\n Hallo - ich versuche von precise (12.04.4) auf Trusty Thar zu updaten. jedoch schl\u00c3\u00a4gt \"do-release-upgrade\" fehl mit \"Keine neue Freigabe gefunden\" - (in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades ist prompt=lts angegeben) - jemand eine idee?\n overlook: Man k\u00c3\u00b6nnte es erzwingen. Du bist halt noch nicht dran aktuell.\n jokrebel, also bin ich dann erst beim 1. Point Release dran?!\n overlook: soweit ich gelesen habe ist die Auslieferung gestaffelt damit, sollten doch noch versteckte Bugs auftauchen, nicht gleich alle betroffen sind.\n overlook: Das erst Point-Release ist seit ein paar Tagen raus. Nun werden Zug um Zug nach nem Zufallsprinzip die Upgrades angeboten.\n jokrebel, okay - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule beinhaltet keine Informationen \u00c3\u00bcber Point Releases, gibts da eine andere Quelle?\n overlook: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases\n jokrebel, okay - danke. sofern ich ungeduldig bin, wie kann ich das release upgrade \"erzwingen\"?\n overlook: Da aber 12.04.4 noch \u00c3\u00bcber 2 Jahre mit Updates versorgt wird ist ja keine Eile geboten. \n jokrebel, so ist es sicherlich, doch manche 3rd party repositories werden schon jetzt nicht mehr \"artig\" fuer 12.04 gepflegt ...\n overlook: do-release-upgrade hat Schalter f\u00c3\u00bcr sowas ;-)\n jokrebel, da kenne ich nur \"-d\" um auch auf dev-releases upgraen zu k\u00c3\u00b6nnen. habe ich was \u00c3\u00bcbersehen?\n :( jo - mit dem hab ich mir grad meine aktuelle Quellenliste zerschossen.\n jokrebel, oops.\n Habs aber grad wieder gradegebogen. Auf dem Produktivrechner m\u00c3\u00b6chte ich noch kein Utopic\n overlook: Oder ging das \u00c3\u00bcber die Aktuallisierungsverwaltung per Schalter?\n jokrebel, in der GUI zu update-manager kenne ich micht nicht so gut aus.\n upate-manager -d funktioniert auch \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 in der oberfl\u00c3\u00a4che m\u00c3\u00bcsste man das aber erst in den einstellungen \u00c3\u00a4ndern\n * nagetier w\u00c3\u00bcrde ein Upgrade, rein vom Gef\u00c3\u00bchl her, immer in der Konsole bei abgeschalteter GUI ausf\u00c3\u00bchren.. ob was dran ist, wei\u00c3\u009f es nicht\n nagetier, geht inzwischen auch recht verl\u00c3\u00a4sslich \u00c3\u00bcber die gui\n vor ein paar jahren h\u00c3\u00a4tte ich das auch nicht riskiert\n ja, aber das \"recht verl\u00c3\u00a4sslich\" schr\u00c3\u00a4nkt es doch wieder ein.. ist ja auch kein Problem f\u00c3\u00bcr so was die GUI mal zu verlassen.. ein Neustart steht eh meist an\n nagetier, es muss nach canonicals philosophie funktionieren, alles andere w\u00c3\u00bcrde ihre zielgruppe verfehlen \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 also ist GUI ein muss\n Ja, ok, das stimmt wohl\n ich h\u00c3\u00a4tte auch sagen k\u00c3\u00b6nnen, die letzen 6 aktualisierungen auf 14.04 \u00c3\u00bcber GUI liefen problemlos\n bei mir, was bei dir passiert, sei mal dahingestellt\n hab es noch nie in der GUI versucht\n Kann man sich in der Konsole den Traffic von eth3 z.B. anzeigen lassen? \n kann man\n wie das geht, findest du aber auch selbst raus\n dreamon, jnettop w\u00c3\u00a4re eines der vielen Werkzeuge dazu\n hi, gibt es einen installer bei dem man beim manuellen partitionieren auch physical volumes fuer LVM anlegen kann?\n Danke. Ich bin noch auf der Spur den Fehler zu finden warum das applet mir nur 0B/s \u00c3\u00bcbertragung anzeigt obwohl Daten flie\u00c3\u009fen. Ich vermute es liegt an den Zugriffrechten.\n Wenn ich iftop -i eth3 mache kommt -> pcap_open_live(eth3): eth3: You don't have permission to capture on that device (socket: Die Operation ist nicht erlaubt) \n Mit Rootrechten geht es. W\u00c3\u00a4re es denkbar das die applet auch damit probleme haben?\n W\u00c3\u00a4re IMHO vorstellbar\n schade, da es so nutzlos ist\n nagetier, nutzlos ist es nicht.. wie kommst du da drauf\n weil es keine Werte ausgibt?\n Bis zu 12.04 ging das tadellos. \n Hat jemand 14.04 und k\u00c3\u00b6nnte mal iftop auf seine Netzwerkkarte machen. Geht das als normaler User?\n ja, dann war es unter 12.04 noch n\u00c3\u00bctzlich :)\n nagetier, Wenn ich es nicht n\u00c3\u00bctzen wollen w\u00c3\u00bcrde, warum sollte ich mir dann Gedanken machen das Problem zu beheben?\n dreamon, hat keiner gesagt, du solltest die da keine Gedanken machen, und ich glaube dir, es nutzen zu wollen.. aber es tut doch nicht mehr das, was es noch unter 12.04 tat, oder?\n dreamon, \u00c3\u00bbnd nein, auch hier unter 14.04.1 l\u00c3\u00a4uft iftop nicht ohne root\n dreamon: Auch hier als User keine permission\n Ah danke!\n nagetier, ja, es tut nur 0B/s anzeigen.. egal welches Netzwerk ich teste.. sudo iftop zeigt aber sauber an.. (netspeed-applet2 hei\u00c3\u009ft das applet)\n Aber scheint ein anders Problem zu sein, weil auch die \"System\u00c3\u00bcberwachung\" mir einen Netzwerktraffic von 0 anzeigt.. sehr verd\u00c3\u00a4chtig\n dreamon, dann muss man herausbekommen, von welcher Quelle die Tools ihre Daten beziehen und dort ggf. ansetzen\n dreamon: Ich seh da grad, dass das wohl nicht aus den Ubuntuquellen zu stammen scheint\n ich habe probleme mit wechseldatentr\u00c3\u00a4gern. werfe ich bspw. eine cd mit dem hardwareschalter aus, so wird die cd weiterhin als eingeh\u00c3\u00a4ngt angezeigt. in gnome-disks? wird weiterhin ein geisteintrag von meiner usb-platte angezeigt, den ich selbst bei eingeh\u00c3\u00a4ngtem laufwerk nicht bearbeiten kann, wobei dann ein 2. eintrag dort vorhanden ist, der normal bearbeitet werden kann. any ideas to fix it? 14.04\n jokrebel, den hab ich auch versucht, zeigt auch nur 0 an.\n dreamon: Wen hast Du auch versucht?\n jokrebel, http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Netspeed \n dreamon: Die fiel unter anderem das \"war ein Applet\" in der Einleitung nicht auf?\n jokrebel, Wie hie\u00c3\u009f dein tool nochmal \"corkney\" oder so \u00c3\u00a4hnich?\n conky, ist ein Tool f\u00c3\u00bcr den Desktophintergrund \n Dir\n jokrebel, Das ist ein alternatives applet, (ich h\u00c3\u00a4tte es gern im Panel) falls mein altes nicht mehr geht. Aber auch der processmanager zeigt keinen Netzwerktraffic an.\n dreamon: Und auch netspeed schein ja kein \"on-Board-Tool\" gewesen zu sein.\n dreamon: Zeig doch mal ein \"ifconfig\" in nem Pastebinservice\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/7944483/\n das conky ist ja fein, aber bei mir verstellen immer die Fenster den Blick auf die Infos.\n conky zeigt auf 0 an. ich starte es mal als root\n Auch als root keine \u00c3\u0084nderung.. nun wei\u00c3\u009f ich auch nicht mehr\n dreamon: Dein ETH hei\u00c3\u009ft inzwischen 3, Dein WLAN sogar 6! Das gibst Du in den entsprechenden Tools die nicht gehn auch so entsprechend ein?\n jokrebel, Ja. Beim Applet kann ich zwischen denen w\u00c3\u00a4hlen beim conky hab ichs h\u00c3\u00a4ndisch eingetragen(eth3) und bei ifconfig auch ..\n hey\n wer hatte mir den hier den virt-manger empfohlen?\n l\u00c3\u00a4uft bis jetzt super. aber ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde gerne die aufl\u00c3\u00b6sung \u00c3\u00a4ndern. der gast kann nur 1024*786 darstellen. bzw kann das nur so einstellen\n jemand ne idee?\n h\u00c3\u00a4tte gerne mein 1920*1080 wieder\n hi, gibt es eine alternate cd fuer 14.04 ubuntu desktop?\n Ab Ubuntu 12.10 bietet nur noch Lubuntu eine Alternate install CD an (Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Xubuntu nicht mehr). \n tuor_: net installer...\n tuor_, optional lubuntu 14.04 alternate \u00e2\u0086\u0092 minimalinstallation \u00e2\u0086\u0092 ubuntu-desktop installieren\n oder wie subz3r0 schon sagt, gleich NetInst\n subz3r0, ah ok. ist das dann so aehnlich wie debian net installer. bzw, kann der dann alles was ein text installer von debian so normalerweise kann?\n PBeck, ah stimmt da war was.\n tuor_: ja\n ich war auch sehr entt\u00c3\u00a4uscht vom neuen installer....\n subz3r0, ah super! :) thx @ all\n vielmehr ist er ein witz.... aber naja... einfach muss halt nicht immer gut sein\n ubuntu hat eben eine bestimmte zielgruppe\n subz3r0, subz3r0 jo das ist ja schon ok. nur verstand ich nicht ganz wieso man noch manuel partitionieren kann und auch physical volumes fuer verschluesselung erstellen kann wenn aber lvm nicht geht.... naja ist halt so. der net installer wird mir sicher abhilfe bringen. :)\n tuor_: sehe wir verstehen uns ;)\n mir war nach mehrfachem in die tastatur beissen beim installieren...\n die implementierung ist buggy \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 das ding soll eigentlich lvm k\u00c3\u00b6nnen. aber was so gewisse software nicht eigentlich alles k\u00c3\u00b6nnen sollen tun w\u00c3\u00a4re\n man koennte ja auch direkt den netinstaller auf der hauptseite als download anbieten dann wuerden mit dem vermerk dass \"vortgeschritenere\" user dort alles finden was sie suchen... waer doch ein kleiner aufwand und alle waeren gluechklich...\n tuor_, fortgeschrittene anwender sind aber nicht die zielgruppe =P\n mrkramps, ah ok.\n hm, allerdings soll ubuntu auch im unternehmen eingesetzt werden \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 da w\u00c3\u00a4re dann erfahrene administratoren schon irgendwie eine zielgruppe \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 aber ich schweife ab ins offtopic\n mein Startup Disk Creator will die mini.iso nicht verwenden. wenn ich sie auswaehle und auf \"open\" klicke verwendet er sie trotzdem nicht.. \n tuor_, von einem linux bestriebssystem aus?\n <- ubuntu 14.04 desktop installation\n gerade eben installiert...\n tuor_, bist du denn mit linux vertraut?\n ok ok, d\u00c3\u00a4mliche frage eigentlich \u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n du kannst die iso einfach mit dd direkt auf das ger\u00c3\u00a4t schreiben\n jo also am lernen. Aber bei der arbeit verwende ich es alltaeglich. Fange meine lehre als systechi an. ;)\n welche ger\u00c3\u00a4te datei hat dein usb-stick?\n also /dev/sd[a-z]\n mrkramps, ein iso? auf ein usb stick? das ist doch fuer eine cd...\n tuor_: mrkramps wei\u00c3\u009f schon was er sagt, das klappt\n mrkramps, ist ein usbstick.\n tuor_, die ubuntu isos sind eigentlich alle sogenannte hybrids \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 die kann man als fertiges dateisystem direkt auf ein laufwerk schreiben\n mal so ganz simple erkl\u00c3\u00a4rt\n mrkramps, krass. ok super. dann nimm ich dd. danke. Wollte dir nicht unterstellen das du keine ahnung hast, es hat mich nur verwundert.\n und sync hinterher nciht vergessen ;)\n mrkramps, sync? weis jetzt nicht was du meinst..\n tuor_, sync damit auch wirklich alles auf den usbstick geschrieben wurde\n tuor_: den Befehl \"sync\" ausf\u00c3\u00bchren, schreibt den Cache auf das Device.\n oder so\n mrkramps, SunTsu, ah ok. thx!\n tuor_, dein stick ist auch frei, oder?\n wir hatten da schon so f\u00c3\u00a4lle \u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n da ist der installer drauf mit dem ich das ubuntu hier mal testweise installiert habe. also ja. klar habe auch schon geschafft den falschen zu ueberschreiben. ^^ denke das hat jeder schon.\n gut, weil photorec wollten wir dir heute nicht auch noch erkl\u00c3\u00a4ren\n mrkramps, gern ein andermal.. :) meine daten sind auf doppelt auf zwei nicht angehaengten platten. also alles ausser gefahr.\n der vollst\u00c3\u00a4ndigkeit halber, die mini.iso ist _nicht_ kompatibel mit dem startup disk creator, war es auch noch nie\n ohh papa mrkramps. bitte erz\u00c3\u00a4hl uns noch die geschicte von photorec\n :P\n subz3r0, eigentlich gibt es da nichts zu erz\u00c3\u00a4hlen, weil die wiederherstellung von intakten flashspeichern wie usb-sticks ziemlich unkompliziert ist\n es gibt einfach sch\u00c3\u00b6nere anwendungsf\u00c3\u00a4lle nach der erstinstallation als datenrettung\n ich verwende immer dmesg um zu schauen was ich als letztes eingesteckt habe. ich kann schauen was unter /dev/sd* vorhanden ist. oder mit lsusb oder lspci den usbstick/ die platte suchen.\n zu meinem problem: graphic adapter auf vga stellen brachte es auch nicht. nur auf vmvga. nun hab ich zwar fullscreen. aber ich sehe 2 maus cursor\n einmal nen normalen cursor und dann noch diese sanduhr(oder was auch immer. punkt, rad... ...)\n bei lsusb sehe ich aber nicht welche device datei zu dem jeweiligen geraet gehoert... wo wuerde ich so etwas sehen.?\n probier mal lsblk\n ring0, ah thx. sieht gut aus.\n subz3r0, wie genau \u00c3\u00bcbergibst du dem gastsystem denn die aufl\u00c3\u00b6sung?\n hab sie eingestellt im gast system(monitor)\n subz3r0, also in der desktopumgebung?\n jo\n subz3r0, was bietet dir denn xrandr an?\n finde auch nicht, wo ich umstellen kann, dass mehr als 9MB zur verf\u00c3\u00bcgung stehen\n 9MB was?! vram?\n wird wohl so sein\n in den einstellun von vmm meine ich\n einstellungen\n video: \n wie gesagt, was bietet dir denn xrandr an, bzw. xrandr --props\n Modell: VMVGA, RAM: 9MB, K\u00c3\u00b6pfe: 1\n auf dem host oder im gast?\n vermutlich letzteres\n gast\n ring0, super. genau was ich suchte. thx\n subz3r0, gerne auch nopaste :)\n mrkramps: so gut wie alle modi von x bis 2368*1770\n aber wie gesagt, hab gerade vmvga am laufen. vorher hatte ich Cirrus eingeschaltet\n subz3r0, wie heisst das ger\u00c3\u00a4t? also bspw. VGA-0\n Screen-0\n zeigt mir xrandr an\n hola.\n mrkramps: was ist denn zu bevorzugen? Cirrus, QXL, Vga, VMVGA oder Xen?\n und wo kann ich im vmm mehr als 9MB der grafikkarte zuweisen?\n subz3r0, woher soll ich das wissen? ich verwende dieses werkzeug nicht zur virtualisierung\n :S\n subz3r0, zu bekommst also f\u00c3\u00bcr xrandr nur die ausgabe f\u00c3\u00bcr Screen 0 - ein zeile?\n mrkramps: ich kann von der maschine nix copy pasten...\n die hat kein internet, sonst w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich mit der maschine hier rein\n subz3r0, gibt dir xrandr mehr aus als nur Screen 0?\n ja\n schrieb ich doch\n xandraf --props gibt die ganzen video modi raus\n alle aufl\u00c3\u00b6sungen die er macht...\n f\u00c3\u00bcr welches ger\u00c3\u00a4t denn?\n VGA, LVDS, DVI, HDMI, TV?\n h\u00c3\u00a4h?\n \"Screen:0minimum 320 x 200, currecnt 1920 x 1080, maximum 2368 x 1770\n sonst steht da nix ausser die diversen aufl\u00c3\u00b6sungen...\n subz3r0, also nicht mal ein \"default connected:\"?\n default connected: 1920*1080 ......\n aber nix von VGA, LVCDS, DVI oder sosnt was\n subz3r0, missverst\u00c3\u00a4ndnis \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 aber wenn ich frage, ob xrandr dir mehr sagt, dann solltest du mir DAS auch nicht vorenthalten\n xrandr --output default --mode 1920x1080\n hilf vielleicht wenn du alles mal in einen pastebin kopierst \n phillip: okay. und wie mache ich das?\n phillip, das gastsystem hat weder netz, noch geteilte zwischenablage\n 1. die maschine hat kein netz. 2. copy n paste geht nicht\n mrkramps: danke :)\n warst schneller ;)\n mrkramps: ich stelle mal wieder auf Cirrus gleich um und teste dann wieder mit xrandr\n mrkramps: ohh sorry\n so ist umgestellt und maschine startet\n mrkramps: okay. cirrus kann nur 1024*768. mehr wird auch bei xrandt nicht angezeigt\n subz3r0, schau mal mit lspci -v welcher treiber f\u00c3\u00bcr das ger\u00c3\u00a4t verwendet wird\n also im gast\n ok, es gibt einen XVideo driver f\u00c3\u00bcr cirrus \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 das kann nicht gut gehen\n sec\n einen? oder keinen?\n einen \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 aber sag du mir, ob er den im gast verwendet\n benutzt wird derweiil: VGA compatible controller: Red Hat, Inc. Device 0100 (rev 04) prog-if 0 0 {vga controller[)\n lspci -v\n gib mir \"Kernel driver in use:\"\n bei der graka steht nix dabei. nur bei den anderens\n -s\n sec\n ata_piix, uhci_hcd, piix4_smbus, snd_hda_intel, und 2x virtio-pci\n letzteren stehen bei: SCSI storage controller und unclassified device\n ich wollte eigentlich nur wissen, welchen treiber der XServer f\u00c3\u00bcr die virtuelle grafikkarte verwendet\n da steht nix bei\n im zweifelsfall gehen wir mal davon aus, dass dir mit cirrus hier nicht geholfen ist\n jo\n hab ja noch die anderen zur auswahl\n wobei einziger der fullhd bietet der vmvga ist. und da hab ich das problem mit den 2 maus cursorn die er mir anzeigt\n -vga std sollte eigentlich richtig sein\n also auch kein vmvga\n hmm\n mrkramps: kann ich nicht irgendwie meine richtige grafikkarte f\u00c3\u00bcr die vm benutzen?\n meines wissens nach ist das tats\u00c3\u00a4chlich mit keiner VM richtig umzusetzen\n naja ich bekomme die aufl\u00c3\u00b6sung ja mit diesem vmvga auf fullhd... aber dieser doppelte mouse cursor bringt mich aus der fassung\n damit kann ich nicht wirklich arbeiten\n subz3r0, normalerweise m\u00c3\u00bcsste man f\u00c3\u00bcr kvm eigentlich nur mit der entsprechend emulierten grafikkarte die konfiguration der aufl\u00c3\u00b6sung \u00c3\u00bcber den xserver vornehmen\n also xorg.conf oder xorg.conf.d/\n ob das funktioniert l\u00c3\u00a4sst sich normalerweise sehr einfach mit xrandr testen\n um h\u00c3\u00b6here aufl\u00c3\u00b6sungen zu erreichen sollte man die VM mit dem parameter -vga std starten\n mrkramps: wie oder wo mache ich das? momentan starte ich die ja mit dem virt-manager\n kannste mir evtl nen beispiel geben, wie ich das von der cli starten kann?\n vielleichts liegts auch am virtualizierer\n nutze momentan kvm und kein qemu\n huhu\n subz3r0, mehr kann ich im moment nicht f\u00c3\u00bcr dich tun \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 mit virt-manager/kvm m\u00c3\u00bcsste ich mich jetzt erst selber auseinander setzen\n Bin mit dem netinstaller am installieren. Ich bin bei dem schritt \"software selection\". Was ist der unterschied zwischen \"ubuntu desktop\" und \"ubuntu desktop usb\"\n tuor-pad, das wurde (wird?) benutzt, um die ubuntu desktop images zu erstellen (ein schritt davon). ist als endanwender nicht sinnvoll.\n mal was anderes\n wie kann man im laufenden betrieb ger\u00c3\u00a4te komplett abschalten=?\n z.B ne zweite dedizierte grafikkarte, damit sie nicht so viel strom frisst\n tuor-pad, \u00c3\u00bcbrigens: wenn du ein bisschen zeit er\u00c3\u00bcbrigen kannst, solltest du keins der seeds ausw\u00c3\u00a4hlen und deine ben\u00c3\u00b6tigten pakete manuell installieren\n subz3r0, bluethooth , wireless u.\u00c3\u00a4. mit rfkill\n grafikkarte ist wieder was anderes, weil wegen treiber oder gleich im bios deaktivieren\n mrkramps: geht mir um ne grafikkarte\n subz3r0, gar nicht. das macht sie entweder selbst, \u00c3\u00bcber pci express stromspar-features (die auch im bios aktiviert sein m\u00c3\u00bcssen), oder sie l\u00c3\u00a4uft halt immer.\n hmm\n ist mir neu, dass ich ne pci-e karte im bios ausschalten kann?\n lies nochmal\n wonach m\u00c3\u00bcsste ich da ungef\u00c3\u00a4hr ausschau halten?\n ppq: hab 2 infos bekommen. die von dir und die von mrkramps :)\n subz3r0, indem du dort irgendwo sagst, benutze nur die onboard\n hmmmm\u00c2\u00b2\n mal morgen die karte einbauen und schauen\n will die dedizierte eigentlich nur nehmen zum zocken. oder wenn ich mal was encoden muss. ansonsten soll sie halt einfach strom sparen :)\n das w\u00c3\u00a4ren sonst ~40 watt mehr als nun\n bei den 40 watt k\u00c3\u00b6nnte ich mir nen zweiten rechner von dem hier hinstellen... der zieht auch nur 40 watt\n oder ne cpu mit mehr cores .. die sonst nicht laufen ..\n 40watt im idle?\n testdr: und der sinn dabei w\u00c3\u00a4re? die cpu hier hat mehr als genug power f\u00c3\u00bcr alles\n eher nicht\n subz3r0: wie kommst Du denn auf 40Watt mehr im idle-Zustand?\n testdr: indem ich mir die leistungsaufnahme anschaue?\n selbst meine etwas \u00c3\u00a4ltliche nvidia-Graka taktet herunter und verbraucht dann - trotz deutlich besserer Leistung - weniger Strom als eine noch \u00c3\u00a4lter Graka\n ja, die karte ist alt...\n nvidia 9800GT\n bah, die frisst wirklich 35 watt im idle\n dann vergiss das -- die ist langsamer wie meine passiv gek\u00c3\u00bchlte GT-630 und verbraucht trotzdem gesch\u00c3\u00a4tzt 10 Watt mehr im idle-Modus\n die GT-630 taktet sich selbst - wie eine moderne CPU - je nach Anspruch hoch oder runter ... und bei den noch leistungst\u00c3\u00a4rkeren modernen GPUs soll das noch besser sein .. \n mrkramps: wenn Du das genauer wei\u00c3\u009ft, dann war meine Sch\u00c3\u00a4tzung sogar untertrieben ..\n testdr, das sind die herstellerangaben\n vergiss was?\n die karte frisst nun mal mehr... grad mal geschaut. rechner hat gerade 55 watt im verbrauch\n im idle sinds noch weniger\n 40-+\n mrkramps: ich hab es gemessen -- d.h. ich hatte eine 8xxx-nvidia und als ich die neue eingesetzt habe, habe ich den Verbrauch im idle kontrolliert und den erheblichen Unterschied bemerkt -- obwohl die neue ein vielfaches an Leistung der alten bringt\n wenn die karte noch reinkommt, verbrate ich 40 watt mehr f\u00c3\u00bcr lulu\n aber egal.... wir schweifen ab... weiter im OT ;)\n ppq: ok thx. Dachte isc\n Ist vileicht die desktop umgebung..\n ich habe probleme mit wechseldatentr\u00c3\u00a4gern. werfe ich bspw. eine cd mit dem hardwareschalter aus, so wird die cd weiterhin als eingeh\u00c3\u00a4ngt angezeigt. in gnome-disks? wird weiterhin ein geisteintrag von meiner usb-platte angezeigt, den ich selbst bei eingeh\u00c3\u00a4ngtem laufwerk nicht bearbeiten kann, wobei dann ein 2. eintrag dort vorhanden ist, der normal bearbeitet werden kann. any ideas to fix it? 14.04\n Das eine mounted cd nicht asugeworfen wird ist gewollt und erwartet.\n vielleicht hilft es das usb-device zu resetten ... braucht aber ein extra programm f\u00c3\u00bcr den device-zugriff ..\n das k\u00c3\u00b6nnte \u00c3\u00a4hnlich wie bei \"ausgeworfene\" usb-sticks sein, die man nur aus/einstecken kann um die Erkennung neu zu initialisieren -- oder man resetet das device .\n usbreset z.B. hier im thread: http://askubuntu.com/questions/645/how-do-you-reset-a-usb-device-from-the-command-line\n bekks: huch? ich meine, unter ubuntu w\u00c3\u00bcrde eine gemountete cd automatisch ausgeworfen, wenn der hardware-auswurf get\u00c3\u00a4tigt wurde.\n testdr: oki, ich schau da mal\n testdr: so, hat soweit geklappt, als dass in gnome-disks die festplatte nicht mehr 2x auftaucht, wenn diese angeschlossen ist. jedoch verbleibt der eintrag dort weiterhin, wenn das ger\u00c3\u00a4t abgest\u00c3\u00b6pselt ist und meldet: Kein Medium\n#ubuntu-de 2015-07-27\n hallo, kann mir jemand sagen ob es unter ubuntu m\u00c3\u00b6glich ist die fenster per pfeiltasten an den rechten (linken) bildschirmrand zu verschieben\n ich war der meinung das das mal ging\n strg alt pfeiltasten funktioniert doch :D sorry\n moin\n womit spannt man nochmal einen wlan ap \u00c3\u00bcber wlan auf, wenn die HW es erlaubt? (mit welcher Software?)\n hostapd\n LetoThe2nd: merci. Und was muss meine HW k\u00c3\u00b6nnen?\n hostapd unterst\u00c3\u00bctzen :-P\n :-)\n jetzt muss ich erstmal rausbekommen, wie meine hw heisst.\n ne im ernst: ich weiss es nciht, und googlen kannst du sicher selber :-)\n LetoThe2nd: bei der Bandbreite hier bin ich mir da nicht so sicher ;-)\n dann musst du dein band verbreitern.\n hehe, das sag mal dem campingplatzmann\n LetoThe2nd: hmmm... ich will ja ein Netz, was ich \u00c3\u00bcber wlan auch bekomme \u00c3\u00bcber wlan bereitstellen.\n brauch ich da virtuelle interfaces.\n stevieh: keine ahnung, ich kenn nur den namen hostapd. ich habs auch noch nie selber benutzt.\n stevieh: ja hostapd wird daf\u00c3\u00bcr ben\u00c3\u00b6tigt. Aber und das ist ein gro\u00c3\u009fes ABER du brauchst kompatible Treiber. Meines Wissens atk5k oder atk9k Treiber. Alles andere funktioniert nicht\n und die Treiber sind nur f\u00c3\u00bcr spezielle WLAN Chips versteht sich\n und bisher hab ich es auch nur hinbekommen eine LAN Verbindung per WLAN zu sharen aber per WLAN was empfangen und senden geht nicht ohne spezielle Hardware\n also Internet sharing per WLAN meine ich\n leszek: hmm... schade. bzw. warscheinlich sollte ich mir irgendwo einen 5\u00e2\u0082\u00ac wlan dongle besorgen...\n aber bekomm sowas mal auf dem Land\n 5 \u00e2\u0082\u00ac wlan dongle k\u00c3\u00b6nnen sowas aber auch nicht, oder willst du das f\u00c3\u00bcr was anderes verwenden ?\n leszek: hmm... echt nicht?\n naja, vielleicht kann es das eingebaute centrion ja. wenigstens adhoc w\u00c3\u00bcrde gehen.\n ne wie gesagt da braucht man Spezialhardware f\u00c3\u00bcr, die eben diesen Speziellen Modus kann und die ist sehr rar die hardware\n ein wlan repeater f\u00c3\u00bcr die steckdose w\u00c3\u00a4re evtl. besser, wenn du das wlan verl\u00c3\u00a4ngern willst irgendwie\n ich will es nicht verl\u00c3\u00a4ngern sondern meinen wlan zugang f\u00c3\u00bcr alle meine ger\u00c3\u00a4te natten\n hmm... dann reicht doch ein normaler router\n die ger\u00c3\u00a4te haben auch wlan und ich hab keinen router im reisegep\u00c3\u00a4ck\n http://superuser.com/questions/725152/what-wifi-usb-adaptors-could-work-in-ap-and-station-mode-at-once?lq=1\n das sieht ganz interessant aus\n hallo. empathy will keine chat-fenster mehr \u00c3\u00b6ffnen.\n kennt jemand das problem?\n was genau passiert wenn man es versucht? Gibt es Fehlermeldungen? (ggf. mal aus dem Terminal heraus starten und dort auf Meldungen achten)\n und auch schauen, ob es vielleicht noch einen alten empathy process gibt\n seit eben gibt es auch eine fehlermeldung.\n hat nun mit der kontoverwaltung zu tun. empathy hat anscheinend keinen zugriff.\n neustart...\n geht wieder. danke.\n hallo, irgendwie bekomm ich es nicht hin mein bluetooth headset unter ubuntu einzurichten\n das ger\u00c3\u00a4t wird zwar erkannt aber sobald ich den dazugeh\u00c3\u00b6rigen pin angebe schl\u00c3\u00a4gt das pairing immer fehl\n kann mir da ggf jemand weiterhelfen ? w\u00c3\u00a4re sehr nett\n Guest94657: das ist ein wenig frickelkram. Unter 15.04 gehts grad wieder recht gut\n leider bin ich auf dem 14 :D\n mir w\u00c3\u00bcrde schon ein paar ansatzpunkte helfen wo ich suchen kann\n bin auch noch nicht sooo lange linux user\n da gibts noch ein weiteres gnome bluetooth manager dingens, weiss aber nicht, wie das heisst.\n ich glaub blueman. Mit dem hab ich das Audio einfacher gepaired\n okay ich such mal\n Guten Tag, hab mal eine kleine frage, ich hab auf meiner HDD drei Betriebssysteme installiert, Win7 Ubuntu und Debian. jetzt m\u00c3\u00b6chte ich Debian Deinstallieren, da ich Platz brauche und Ubuntu mier besser gef\u00c3\u00a4llt, Debian war nur zu Demo. Das Problem ist aber, da ich Debian als letztes installiert habe, werden die Systeme \u00c3\u00bcber den Debian Gnub ausgew\u00c3\u00a4hlt, wen ich jetzt aber Debian deinstalliere, hab ich doch kein Gnub mehr, und dan ka\n ausw\u00c3\u00a4hlen, wen ich den PC starte, oder?\n Danach einmal Ubuntu vin einer Live-CD booten und Grub von Ubuntu installieren\n Anf: Ist hier gut beschrieben, wie das geht: https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/GRUB_2/Reparatur#Reparatur-mittels-Desktop-CD\n Du kannst auch direkt mal mit dem Debian Grub einfach Ubuntu booten und bei Ubuntu einfach mal sudo grub-install /dev/sda eingeben vorraussetzung du willst in den mbr installieren und hast kein EFI\n blueman findet leider nichmal das ger\u00c3\u00a4t+\n Super, vielen Danke. \n christoph_: klappt bei dir das Kommando bluetoothctl ?\n nein\n hmm.. schade ich dachte Ubuntu hat systemd \u00c3\u00bcbernommen. Du hast noch nen \u00c3\u00a4lteres Ubuntu ?\n 14.04\n ja ok das hat das noch nicht\n dann mal anders. Zeigt dir hcitool scan dein bluetooth ger\u00c3\u00a4t an ?\n pairing am bluetooth ger\u00c3\u00a4t muss laufen denke ich\n moment\n nein\n das scannen dauert auch erstaunlich kurz\n hcitool dev zeigt aber eine adresse an womit er das bluetooth modul zumindest kennen sollte\n und die gui variante unter ubuntu erkennt das ger\u00c3\u00a4t auch nicht immer (erst nach einem neustart wieder)\n christoph_: sorry ich muss jetzt weg aber probier mal das was hier unter Pairing mit Bluetooth-Agent steht: https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Bluetooth/Einrichtung\n vorraussetzung ist aber erstmal dass das Ger\u00c3\u00a4t erkannt wird, ansonsten n\u00c3\u00bctzt alles nix\n und dem ist leider nicht so :D\n aber danke\n das scheint wirklich frickel arbeit zu sein und ist der erste punkt in dem windows deutlich einfach war :D\n Hallo\n Ich hab soeben meine Debian Partition mit Ubuntu formatiert, wen ich den PC jetzt Neu starte, wird der Debian Gnub kein System finden, weil der Debian Gnub ja auch weg ist, wie kann ich jetzt den Ubuntu Gnub aufspielen, ohne Live CD, den ich bin jetzt ganz normal mit Ubuntu drin\n Anf: Wie hast Du Ubuntu denn aufgespielt ohne Live-Medium? Bei der Installation wird normalerweise n\u00c3\u00a4mlich Grub (nicht Gnub) auch mit installiert.\n im wiki ist eine anleitung zu Grub 2, und wie man den repariert sowohl aus dem system als auch mit live cd/usb\n Wie man den aus der Live CD installiert hab ich gefunden, aber wie man den mit dem System installiert, finde ich nicht\n Habs, ich hab bei Reparatur, und nicht bei Installation geguckt, alles klar\n Der fragt mich jetzt, welche Ger\u00c3\u00a4te f\u00c3\u00bcr den Grub installiert werden m\u00c3\u00bcssen, was meint er mit Ger\u00c3\u00a4ten?\n Wie w\u00c3\u00a4hle ich den die Ger\u00c3\u00a4te aus, wen ich auf Enter gehe, best\u00c3\u00a4tige ich, und wie man ich die Hacken bei den Ger\u00c3\u00a4ten?\n Ausw\u00c3\u00a4hlen geht mit Leer Taste.\n Wie bekomm ich denn (aus Thunderbir-Anh\u00c3\u00a4ngen heraus) die Standard-Anwendung ver\u00c3\u00a4ndert? Beim \u00c3\u00b6ffnen eines JPG bekomme ich den Bildbetrachter vorbelegt. Ausw\u00c3\u00a4hlen k\u00c3\u00b6nnte ich noch EOG (ist das nicht das selbe?). Wenn ich \"andere\" ausw\u00c3\u00a4hle \u00c3\u00b6ffnet sich nur eine Art Dateimanager mit der Kopfzeile \"Hilfsanwendung w\u00c3\u00a4hlen\"\n die dateizuordnung bspw. \u00c3\u00bcber den dateibrowser \u00c3\u00a4ndern?\n Rochvellon: Und wie ging das nochmal?\n jokrebel, in dem dateimanager-dialog musst du in /usr/bin den pfad zur anwendung angeben. ist leider nicht so intuitiv gel\u00c3\u00b6st seitens mozilla\n ... oder wo auch immer die ausf\u00c3\u00bchrbare datei liegt. herausfindbar mit \"which \"\n oder \"whereis\" statt \"which\"\n ach da is Thunderbird schuld dran, dass das so bl\u00c3\u00b6d ist? Und danke /usr/bin war das was mir nicht mehr einfallen wollte\n ja, die haben da wohl was eigenes gebastelt statt die API der desktopumgebung zu nutzen\n w\u00c3\u00a4re wohl auch zu umst\u00c3\u00a4ndlich bei all den verschiedenen untersz\u00c3\u00bctzten plattformen\n ok - prima. Jetzt kann ich es mit LibreOffice \u00c3\u00b6ffnen und dann hoffentlich nicht mehr blo\u00c3\u009f 80% auch \"erfolgreich\" ausdrucken. Danke.\n Nur, was kann das sein, dass der Bildbetrachter manchmal nicht erfolgreich druckt. LibreOffice aber schon?\n hi\n Hallo leute ich hab ein gro\u00c3\u009fes Problem was meine Kompetenz \u00c3\u00bcbersteigt. Ich habe ubuntu frisch neu installiert neben windows 7 auf einer anderen partition nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich. In Ubuntu hatte ich dann im pers\u00c3\u00b6nlichen ordner Dateien gehabt in diesem pers\u00c3\u00b6nlichem ordner war auch eine Datei die ein Schl\u00c3\u00bcssel abbildete, es hie\u00c3\u009f beim draufklicken unlock oder lock ... nachdem ich mein passwort eingegeben habe waren alle meine Daten futsch aus di\n momo_, deine anfrage wurde abgeschnitten hinter \"waren alle meine Daten futsch aus d\"\n us diesem Ordner und auch die auf dem Desk\n desktop\n Ich habe auch bei der Installation pers\u00c3\u00b6nliche Dateien verschl\u00c3\u00bcsseln ein h\u00c3\u00a4kchen gesetzt, beim ersten Start musste ich dann die Rechte \u00c3\u00a4ndern da der Desktop im loop war wenn ich mich anmeldete , das habe ich geradeso noch geschafft , das was jetzt ist \u00c3\u00bcbersteigt meine kompetenz ,\n Da hab ich noch etwas vergessen kurz nachdem meine Dateien verschwanden kam eine Meldung dass ich mithilfe eines commands ecryptfs... ein passwort mithilfe meines passwortes generieren k\u00c3\u00b6nnte\n hallo, mein eepc mit ubuntu 14.04 mate ist gerade voll abgest\u00c3\u00bctzt. strg+alt und f1 geht auch nicht. gibt es noch einen anderen Affengriff??\n !Magic_SysRQ > kirsten\n narf \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Magic_SysRQ\n was hei\u00c3\u009ft das?\n das hei\u00c3\u009ft, dass du diesen wiki-artikel lesen m\u00c3\u00b6chtest\n und danach den artikel https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Logdateien\n kirsten, der kryptische befehl sollte eigentlich einen bot auffordern, den link automatisch zu posten\n ja, hab schoin gelesen. aber dann w\u00c3\u00bcrde leider auch ein wichtiger prozess gekillt :(\n ich mach seit 12 Stunden eine Datensynchronisation und m\u00c3\u00bcsste dann noch mal anfangen :-(\n kirsten, dann solltest du dich mal fragen, ob das system nciht genau deswegen eingefroren ist?\n nein, ich habe zus\u00c3\u00a4tzlich firefox ge\u00c3\u00b6ffnet und das war ein Fehler\n inwiefern ist das ger\u00c3\u00a4t denn jetzt \"abgest\u00c3\u00bcrzt\"?\n eingefrorer, nichts geht mehr, \n gefroren\n aber meine Synchronisation scheint noch zu laufen, denn die HD macht Ger\u00c3\u00a4usche\n wie getippt nicht mal auf die Konsole komme ich\n das k\u00c3\u00b6nnte auch bedeuten, dass das system gerade den swap aussch\u00c3\u00b6pft\n und deswegen nur noch tr\u00c3\u00a4ge bis gar nicht reagiert\n ah, dann wartte ich noch mal 1-2 Stunden\n w\u00c3\u00a4re in diesem fall vermutlich der sichere ansatz\n ok danke\n mrkramps k\u00c3\u00b6nnte es m\u00c3\u00b6glich sein dass ich gewisse rechte auf meine ganze partition gesetzt habe und somit auch die ganze partition verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselt habe\n momo_, es tut mir leid, aber mit verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselung kenne ich mich nicht aus\n ich bin der falsche ansprechpartner\n ok danke mrkramps\n ich versuch mal in ein forum reinzuschreiben \n kannst du mir ein deutschsprachiges empfehlen\n momo_, ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde jetzt mal behaupten, du hast dein homeverzeichnis einfach gesperrt\n nur so ganz klar sind mir die zusammenh\u00c3\u00a4nge nicht\n mrkramps bist du noch da ?\n ja\n ich befolge gerade diese anleitung aber bei einem kommando wird mir gesat dass nur der administrator mounten kann\n https://www.thomas-krenn.com/de/wiki/Zugriff_auf_ein_mit_ecryptfs_verschl%C3%BCsseltes_Home_Verzeichnis_unter_Ubuntu_wiederherstellen\n wie kann ich die administrator rechte bekommen , einfach sudo vor dem kommando?\n momo_, ja\n ok ich probiers\n Hallo ist hier wer? ich benutze zum ersten mal hexchat\n Kirsten, und was ist deine frage?\n<_moep_> ob jmd hier ist\n<_moep_> *scnr*\n https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Baustelle/HexChat\n ok. ich hab da mal eine Frage. Habe gerade ubuntu 14.04 Mate aufgesetzt. Wenn ich jetzt auf mein NAS zugreife, wird als Gruppe und Besitzer unbekannt angezeigt. Greife ich \u00c3\u00bcber mein Laptop mit Mint drauf zu, dann wird die Benutzerin Kirsten korrekt angezeigt... \n wie kommt das?\n Kirsten, kA warum, wenn du das wirklich konstant haben m\u00c3\u00b6chtest, sollte eine Domain mit verteilter Benutzerkennung eingerichtet werden\n oh jetzt wird es aber kompliziert...\n lass es einfach so, wichtig ist ja nur, dass wenn Daten von der einen Maschine geschrieben werden, eine andere die lesen kann\n mir ist es ja egal, aber ich bef\u00c3\u00bcrchte, wenn es nicht \u00c3\u00bcberall gleich ist, dann gibt es bestimmt wieder \u00c3\u0084rger...\n ja, sch\u00c3\u00b6n f\u00c3\u00a4nd ich das jetzt auch nicht.. und deine Frage ist sicherlich berechtigt\n na dann ist es ja sch\u00c3\u00b6n, dass ihr auch mal keine AW habt :)\n pr\u00c3\u00bcfe mal das Vorgehen, lege Daten auf dem NAS von Client1 ab, und versuche mit 2 darauf zuzugreifen.. \u00c3\u00a4ndere auch den Inhalt.. funktioniert das, w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich mir weniger Sorgen machen\n ok\n Kirsten, pr\u00c3\u00bcfe auch mal auf beiden Clienten die UID deines Benutzers - 'cat /etc/passwd | grep Kirsten', dort die Erste der beiden Zahlen vergleichen.. hier sieht das so aus: nagetier:x:1000:1000:nagetier,,,:/home/nagetier:/bin/bash .. evtl. liegt es daran, bi da allerdings auch etwas \u00c3\u00bcberfragt, und dieses unterschiedliche Verhalten der Distributionen nervt auch mich gewaltig\n geht los\n Kirsten, w\u00c3\u00bcrde mich an deiner Stelle auch auf eine konzentrieren, die Vergleiche zueinander sind schwer unter einem Hut zu bekommen\n mrkramps\n habe jetzt ein resultat INFO: Success! Private data mounted read-only at [/tmp/ecryptfs.PkoGHtJf].\n sind jetzt meine Daten wo anders hinverschoben worden\n momo_, was auch immer du da tust \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 ich habe von verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselung immer noch keine ahnung\n Die sind nicht verschoben worden, die sind an dem genannten Mountpoint mounted.\n Aber mehr Ahnung habe ich davon auch nicht :)\n ich hab verkackt \n zu viel selbstbewusstsein\n hab erstmal ausversehen meine ganzen lesezeichen durch einen dummen fehler gel\u00c3\u00b6scht \n dann sind meine ganzen pers\u00c3\u00b6nlichen daten die ich eigentlich durch ubuntu sichern wollte verloren gegangen ./\n Wieso schaust du nicht in dem angegebenen Mountpoint nach?\n hab ich scho ist leer\n Dann hast Du deine Daten irgendwohin verschoben.\n kirsten:x:1000:1000:kirsten,,,:/home/kirsten:/bin/bash ist bei mir auf beiden Rechnern genau gleich\n Kirsten, tjo, und der Datenaustausch ist von beiden Systemen machbar? \n also auf beiden ist die userid 1000 ?\n dann w\u00c3\u00a4r noch spannend wie du darauf zugreifst\n mgolisch, NFSv4\n wenn sich da seit gestern nicht ge\u00c3\u00a4ndert hatte :)\n bei nfsv4 zb werden alle sachen als name uebergeben und auf dem server aufgl\u00c3\u00b6st\n wobei nfs3 die ids verwendet\n evtl ist das der unterschied?\n ups, ja, wie kann ich ganu herausfinden, wie ich drauf zugreife?\n mgolisch, also sollte auf der NAS ein USer mit UID 1000 eingetragen sein?\n In dem Du uns erz\u00c3\u00a4hlst, wie du darauf zugreifst.\n mgolisch, was bei v3 irrelevant w\u00c3\u00a4re?\n naja, ich geh halt in den Dateimanager, geh auf Netzwerklaufwerk, dann wird mein Server 3x angezeigt und ich klicke dann auf einen der drei drauf, danach melde ich mich an und schwupps die wupps bin ich auf dem NAS...\n Und woher weisst Du, dass das dann NFS ist? :)\n aber sind das nfs freigaben oder cifs?\n am besten find ich ist in der fstab eintragen bzw mit automount, das ist pratischer vorallem bei laptops\n autofs mein ich\n bekks, ich schmiss es in den Raum ;)\n ich glaube, ich habe beide\n mount sagt es dir\n Kirsten: Schau auf dem NAS nach, was du da konfiguriert hast.\n Kirsten, greifst du auch per Windows Client auf die NAS zu?\n nein\n schmei\u00c3\u009f smb raus\n . .wenn du das auch k\u00c3\u00bcnftig nicht vorhaben solltest\n Da du \u00c3\u00bcber gvfs auf die Freigaben zugreift, ist unbekannt welcher Dienst genutzt wird, IMHO .. stelle das fest ein, wie man schon sagte\n Wie man das in den letzten Tagen mehrfach tat :)\n wie geht denn da gvfs vor, wenn mehr als ein Dienst auf das Ziel weist?\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/11950430/ ergibt mount\n gvfs-mount -l zeigt es an\n also per NTFv4\n mgolisch, ok\n *NFSv4\n auf dem anderen rechner auch?\n na dann habe ich ja auch mal was richtig gemacht :)\n Kirsten, schalte auf der NAS samba ab\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/11950454/ so mounte ich vom Laptop\n Samab schalter ich dann gleich mal ab\n samba\n \"type cifs\", schalte samba jetzt ab\n ach menno, die historie wird bei dem einen rechner immer noch nicht \u00c3\u00bcber ssh korrekt gespeichert. any ideas?\n Kirsten, das wird den Unterschied ausmachen\n ok, ich richte dann jetzt auch auf dem Laptop nfs ein\n Rochvellon: korrekt ausgelogt?\n ich starte einfach neu\n nagetier: Zu deiner Frage von 22:50:54: Nautilus sieht halt mehrere Freigaben, f\u00c3\u00bcr den User vermutlic nicht zu erkennen, was was ist und mountet dann je nach Art der Freigabe.\n ohje, ja..\n danke sash_ \n B\u00c3\u00bcdde.\n also es nicht zu erkennen ist schade\n mgolisch: ich schlie\u00c3\u009fe den tab. bei einem anderen rechner, der auch \u00c3\u00bcber wlan angeschlossen ist, wird ganz normal die historie gespeichert. der einzige unterschied: der rechner, wo es nicht klappt, der ist \u00c3\u00bcber einen repeater im netz\n Vielleicht mit nem Rechtsklick oder so. Oder f\u00c3\u00bcr die SMB-Freigabe muss man zu \"Windows-Netzwerk\"\n Wenn ich per Nautilus Netzwerkkram mounte, tu ich das explizit \u00c3\u00bcber \"Connect to server\" und tippe da dann smb:// ein oder so.\n Wenn ich Linux mounte, nutz ich meistens sshfs.\n Rochvellon: wie sehen die berechtigungen von ~/.bash_history aus?\n ~/.bash_historiy 0600 und wenn ich direkt am rechner arbeite, wird die historie auch korrekt gespeichert\n hast du mehrere shells offen als dieser user?\n n\u00c3\u00b6, ei. sollte nur eine verbindung offen sein\n komisch\n shopt|grep hist zeigt das andere werte\n hatte bis jetzt eigentlich nur probleme wenn ich mehrere shells offen hatte\n und wenn histappend nicht aktiviert war, dann \u00c3\u00bcberschreibt er die history das ist doof bei mehren gleichzeitigen shells\n append ist auf on\n hallo Leute ich bin es noch mal. Jetzt gibt es ein kleines Problem: wenn ich jetzt einen meiner Texte vom NAS \u00c3\u00b6ffnen will, so soll ich jetzt, nachdem ich nur \u00c3\u00bcber nfs zugreife ein Passwort f\u00c3\u00bcr die Datei eingeben. das musste ich vorher nicht. Habt ihr daf\u00c3\u00bcr eine L\u00c3\u00b6sung?\n Kirsten, lege von einem System jetzt probeweise eine neue Datei an, greife von CLN2 darauf zu..\n Kirsten, funktioniert das, \u00c3\u00a4ndere die UID/GID auf der NAS f\u00c3\u00bcr diese Daten\n leider geht das auch nicht. Wenn ich jetzt \u00c3\u00bcber open office eine Datei speichern will, soll ich mich authentifizieren. als Bn ist anonymous angegeben und ich kann den dann auch nicht \u00c3\u00a4ndern..\n Kirsten, die neue Datei liegt in einen ebenfalls neuem Ordner?\n *einem, einen\n \u00c3\u00a4hm, nein, mach ich gleich mal\n Beim Erstellen des Ordners in \u00c2\u00bbftp://server1.local/\u00c2\u00ab ist ein Fehler aufgetreten.\n ?\n ftp?\n ok, ftp abstellen?\n du hast das doch gemounted per nfs\n wieso greifst du dann nicht daraueber drauf zu?\n einfach nicht \u00c3\u00bcber ftp anlegen.. ftpd kann sinnvoll sein\n ups, jetzt wird mein nas \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt nicht mehr angezeigt..\n hier l\u00c3\u00a4uft etwas m\u00c3\u00a4chtig schief...\n vielleicht schalte ich einfach wieder smb ein, damit lief es ja ganz gut...\n Vergiss einfach dieses ganze \"Angezeige\" - mounte es per NFS und gut.\n Du brauchst weder SMB, CIFS noch FTP.\n hm, mgolisch, scheint an diesem rechner irgendwie zu liegen. gehe ich \u00c3\u00bcber android auf den fraglichen rechner, kann ich mich auch zum einen viel schneller verbinden und die historie wird korrekt gespeichert\n naja, das versuche ich ja\n Nein, du wolltest gerade wieder smb wieder einschalten...\n mit nfs klappt es ja irgendwie nicht\n Weil du das grafisch machst, und statt NFS dann FTP genutzt hast.\n In diesem PAstebin von dir: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11950430/ sieht man schon sehr sch\u00c3\u00b6n dass du es per NFS gemounted hast/hattest.\n bekks: Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)\n Was genau reicht denn daran nicht?\n naja, ich kann dann halt nicht per nautilus bzw.caja drauf zugreifen\n Was genau passiert denn, wenn du dann auf /mnt/Datenplatte zugreifst?\n Kirsten, kannst du, wenn du mal einen Dienst nutzten w\u00c3\u00bcrdest\n ah!!! so geht das!\n Wie denn sonst???\n wenn du dann per ftp darauf m\u00c3\u00b6chtest, ist das dem ftpd beizubringen\n Wozu mountest du das denn, wenn du den mount nicht nutzt?!\n ich denke, bekks, es wird darauf gewartet, dass wie bei windows ein laufwerksbuchstabe vergeben wird :)\n ok, habe gerade dazu gelernt. ok, aber warum werden die Dokumente jetzt schreibgesch\u00c3\u00bctzt ge\u00c3\u00b6ffnent?\n Rochvellon: M\u00c3\u00b6chlich.\n Kirsten: Welche Berechtigungen hat denn so eine Beispieldatei?\n Besitzer: kirsten Gruppe: users\n schreibschutz?\n ls -lha Dateiname\n in den Eigenschaften steht, dass Kirsten lesen und schreiben darf - darf sie aber nicht\n ls -lha Dateiname\n naja, aber dann m\u00c3\u00bcsste ich ja alle Dateien auf dem NAs mit ls -lha Dateiname behandeln\n ls -lha \"behandelt\" nichts.\n ls -lha zeigt Berechtigungen an.\n Und, kriegen wir die Ausgabe noch?\n ja, irgendwie klappt das noch nicht so\n Was klappt nicht?\n ls -lha Dateiname ist ein Befehl, der eine Handvoll Zeilen als Ausgabe hat.\n wenn ich ls -lha mfg5.odt eintippe, sagt er mkir, dass er die Datei nicht findet\n ist aber da\n Kirsten, du musst schon noch in den pfad der datei wechseln \u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n ja und ich bin im verzeichnis\n was sagt pwd\n sagt das /mnt/Datenplatte ?\n oder wo auch immer diese datei liegt?\n pwd zeigt mir das Verzeichnis an\n ja\n gro\u00c3\u009f-/kleinschreibung beachtet?\n klar\n kann ich mir die Berechtigung nicht auch irgendwie anders anzeigen lassen?\n du kannst dir auch mit \"ls -lha /mnt/Datenplatte\" die berechtigungen anzeigen lassen. nur dann wird je nach belegung viele eintr\u00c3\u00a4ge generiert\n ja kann ich: -rwxrwxr-x\n Und welchen Dateinamen hast du verwendet?\n Und existiert die Datei auch in /mnt/Datenplatte/ ? Guck mit \"ls -lha\" nach\n die Datei hei\u00c3\u009ft Flayer Ulf.odt\n Hast Du auch eine Datei ohne Leerzeichen?\n kann man jetzt nicht einfach ein 777 auf all die Dateien absetzen.. auf Benutzer-/Gruppenrechte scheint es ja eh nicht anzukommen\n ja, und die hat wiederum ganz andere Zugriffsrechte: -rw-rw-r-\n Wozu? Das FS ist noexec mounted, 7 hat keine Auswirkung. Wenn, dann nur rw, statt rwx.\n Und die Datei hat bereits 664, das reicht.\n stimmt\n Kirsten: Und wie heisst die Datei?\n mfg5.odt\n Was ist die Ausgabe von \"touch /mnt/Datenplatte/mfg5.odt\"?\n \u00c2\u00bbmfg5.odt\u00e2\u0080\u009c kann nicht ber\u00c3\u00bchrt werden: Keine Berechtigung\n *666, 7 w\u00c3\u00a4re unfug .. so k\u00c3\u00b6nnte auch \"unbekannt\" schreibend auf die Dateien .. aber ich bin da auch eher t\u00c3\u00bcftelnd, anstatt wissend\n Kirsten: Dann musst du pr\u00c3\u00bcfen, welche Berechtigungen du auf dem NAS vergeben hast, f\u00c3\u00bcr das NFS Share.\n hatten wir da nicht gestern was, dass man die IP des clients im NAS f\u00c3\u00bcr NFS freigeben musste?\n Privileg: lesen und schreiben, Squash Keine Zuordnung, Sicherheit sys\n ja, ist frei gegeben\n und der user heisst genauso?\n wie dein lokaler user?\n ja\n komisch\n mrkramps: damit du das share \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt vom fraglichen rechner mounten kannst\n der hei\u00c3\u009ft \"Kirsten\"? oder \"kirsten\"?\n Rochvellon, stimmt ging gestern ums mounten\n immer klein\n http://www.synology-wiki.de/index.php/NFS-Konfiguration\n bekks: Title: NFS-Konfiguration \u00e2\u0080\u0093 Synology Wiki (at www.synology-wiki.de)\n Das kennst du schon, oder?\n ja\n Und die UID des User auf dem Ubuntuclient und dem NAS sind identisch?\n Ebenso passt die GID?\n \u00c3\u00a4hm, wie bekomme ich denn UID und GID?\n Das steht doch in dem Artikel zu dem du gerade \"ja\" gesagt hast.\n naja, den hatte ich mir vor drei N\u00c3\u00a4chten durchgelesen\n sorry, aber das mit dem UID und dem GiD ist mir einfach zu kompliziert - vielleicht doch smb?\n ist eigentlich ganz einfach\n stell nur sicher das der user im nas die selber userid und gruppen id hat\n dann sollte das alles gehen\n und das wird per samba auch nicht anders sein, auf dateisystemebene\n \"Nun meldet man sich auf seinem Linux-Client als ein anderer Nutzer als linuxuser_A an, zum Beispiel linuxuser_B.\" Alles ganz einfach?\n Kirsten, trifft das bei dir derzeit zu?\n weiss ich nicht\n und daf\u00c3\u00bcr ist die GID, wenn a und B in einer Gruppe sind, ist das kein Problem\n ist denn auf dem teil kein DSM installiert?!\n und setzt du den Zugriff auf 66_6_, interessiert es gar nicht, wer da zugreift\n Kirsten: Hat der User auf deinem NAS die selbe UID und GID wie auf deinem Rechner?\n Wie du das pr\u00c3\u00bcfst, steht in dem Artikel.\n mrkramps, du meinst Domain?\n nagetier, nein DiskStationManager (oder wie genau die weboberfl\u00c3\u00a4che hei\u00c3\u009ft)\n ah, dann ja\n glaube ich jedenfalls\n https://www.synology.com/de-de/knowledgebase/tutorials/616\n mrkramps: Title: So greifen Sie \u00c3\u00bcber das lokale Netzwerk (NFS) auf Dateien zu, die auf dem Synology NAS gespeichert sind - Anleitungen - Synology - Network Attached Storage (NAS) (at www.synology.com)\n und das ist ziemlich deckungsgleich mit den anleitungen aus dem XBMC oder Kodi Wiki\n ah: Root zu \u00e2\u0080\u009eAdmin\u00e2\u0080\u009c zuordnen: Weist den Root-Benutzern Zugriffsberechtigungen f\u00c3\u00bcr den NFS-Client zu, die identisch sind mit den Zugriffsberechtigungen des Admin-Benutzers auf Ihrem System. \" - das k\u00c3\u00b6nnte es doch sein!\n eher nicht \u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n Kirsten, sollte gemacht werden, l\u00c3\u00b6st aber nich dein derzeitiges Problem\n du bist NICHT root oder admin, du bist Kirsten \n und Kirsten ist ein User / Benutzer\n *user\n Alle Benutzer zu \u00e2\u0080\u009eAdmin\u00e2\u0080\u009c zuordnen: Vergibt an alle Benutzer Zugriffsberechtigungen f\u00c3\u00bcr den NFS-Client, die identisch sind mit den Zugriffsberechtigungen des Admin-Benutzers auf Ihrem System - ist dann vermutlich auch nicht die L\u00c3\u00b6sung\n also muss ich doch ans GID und Uid\n Ja...\n Fragte ich vor 10 Minuten.\n sorry ich muss hier jetzt wirklich passen. Ich habe es zwar geschafft per Konsole und ssh auf das NAS zu kommen, mehr geht aber nicht, ich finde diese scheiss GiD und Uid nicht, sorry\n Wie suchst du sie denn?\n w\u00c3\u00bcrd mich wundern wenn das nicht in der oberfl\u00c3\u00a4che geht\n Kirsten, der befehl hei\u00c3\u009f \"id benutzername\"\n Steht in dem Link..\n mgolisch, das geht scheinbar (noch) nicht im webinterface\n echt?\n wau!: uid=1026(kirsten) gid=100(users) groups=100(users),101(administrators),65536(Familie)\n Sowas. Und welche UID hat Kirsten auf dem Rechner?\n Die 1000, richtig?\n ja.\n Gut, dann heisst es weiterlesen :)\n oh geht wirklich nicht\n uid=1000(kirsten) gid=1000(kirsten) Gruppen=1000(kirsten),4(adm),24(cdrom),27(sudo),30(dip),46(plugdev),115(lpadmin),131(sambashare) - steht ja alles im Link ;)\n und jetzt schauste mal, was das auf deinem NAS sagt\n ok, jetzt muss ich also bei mir auf dem Rechner die UId und die Gid \u00c3\u00a4ndern\n ah\n oder auf dem nas\n * nagetier w\u00c3\u00bcrde auf dem NAS \u00c3\u00a4ndern.. wenn m\u00c3\u00b6glich\n auf dem nas m\u00c3\u00bcsste man aber erstmal schauen, wer bereits diese uid und gid haben k\u00c3\u00b6nnte!\n joa\n bspw. grep \"uid=1000\" /etc/passwd\n ich glaube, f\u00c3\u00bcr mich ist es auch einfacher auf meinem Ubunturechner\n setzte auf beiden Seiten die UID auf 2000\n bla, der befehl war quatsch\n grep \":1000\" /etc/passwd\n ich denke, ich setze jetzt auf meinem Ubuntu die uid auf 1026 und die gid auf 100\n dann ist es wie auf dem NAS\n Kirsten, mach das, ist auch ok, dann muss das auf mint allerdings auch folgen\n und die dateirechte m\u00c3\u00bcssen einmal angepasst werden\n und du musst auf deinem homedir die berechtigungen neu setzen\n :) stimmt\n sonst kannste darauf nicht mehr zugreifen\n ich wuerds eher auf dem nas machen\n oh man\n ok ich probier es auf dem nas\n aber wenn ich dann andere uid s auf dem Laptop habe, klappt es ja wieder nicht\n vom Laptop aus\n der erste user hat immer die 1000\n bei ubuntu\n aber kannste ja nachgucken\n Kirsten, auf dem laptop (mint?) hattest du auch die UID 1000\n das hatten wir vor ca. 3h gepr\u00c3\u00bcft\n und k\u00c3\u00bcnftige Benutzer kommen in die selbe GID, solved\n ok super, ich versuche es jetzt im NAS zu \u00c3\u00a4ndern\n scheisse: usermod: not found - das NAS scheint meine Sprache nicht zu sprechen\n \"Da die Diskstations noch immer nicht das Programm usermod enthalten, das zur Bearbeitung der UIDs und GIDs auf der Konsole n\u00c3\u00b6tig w\u00c3\u00a4re, m\u00c3\u00bcssen UIDs und GIDs auf den Linux-Clients angepasst werden!\"\n die dateirechte m\u00c3\u00bcssen einmal angepasst werden...und du musst auf deinem homedir die berechtigungen neu setzen..\n Leute, dass kann doch nur schief gehen\n also beii mir\n Kirsten, hattest du unter den jetzigen Benutzern auf den beiden Clienten schon viel eingestellt? Wenn nein, lege einen neuen user an, mit der passenden UID, kopiere die Daten her\u00c3\u00bcber oder sichere dir vorher deine jetzigen..\n l\u00c3\u00b6sche dann Kirsten, und lege Kirsten neu an, UUI=1026\n *UID\n ich sitze jetzt seit heute morgen um 9 vor dieser Kiste und ich kann irgendwie nicht mehr. ich speiere mir das alles ab und schaue es mir morgen an...\n also gute Nacht und vielen, vielen Dank schon mal\n Kirsten, dabei stand alles in dem einen Link :/ gute Nacht\n :)\n Hachja. Lesen, und \"ja\" und so.\n Nicht, das in dem Link st\u00c3\u00bcnde, wie man die UID \u00c3\u00a4ndert.\n und es serverseitig nicht m\u00c3\u00b6glich ist\n was ziemlich armselig ist\n Man k\u00c3\u00b6nnte auch einfach nfs3 und uid/gid mapping verwenden, aber das mal nur so am Rande. :)\n Steht aber auch in dem Artikel, mit dem Mapping.\n hallo. ich versuche mehr \u00c3\u00bcber die Entwicklung von OpenSource Software zu erfahren, bin ich hier am richtigen Ort? mich interessiert besonders der Gestaltungsprozess\n Dann bist du eher in #ubuntu-de-offtopic richtig\n okay danke\n#ubuntu-de 2015-07-28\n hallo leute ich habe ein problem undzwar habe ich auf meiner ubuntu installation in dem persoenlichen ordner access personal deskop data gedr[ckt , seitdem sind meine dateien verschwunden ich hatte vermutet dass ich meine dateien verschl[sselt habe , dies ist aber nicht der Fall wenn ich nun uber live installation yugreife kann ich meien dateien sehen\n ich kann sie aber nicht kopieren oder oeffnen \n somsip\n hi, ich hab es immernoch nicht geschafft mein bluetooth ger\u00c3\u00a4t einzurichten\n leider schl\u00c3\u00a4gt der hcitool scan manchmal fehl\n meine situation wird in folgendem thread eigentlich ganz gut beschrieben\n http://askubuntu.com/questions/595998/bluetooth-working-but-wont-detect-any-devices\n Guest57309: Title: Bluetooth working but wont detect any devices - Ask Ubuntu (at askubuntu.com)\n meine hciconfig sieht etwas anders aus ansonsten genau das gleiche problem\n gibt es hier jemanden der sich damit auskennt ?\n so hab jetzt nochmal auf dem englischen chanel nachgefragt und alles versucht aber ich bekomm das bl\u00c3\u00b6de bluetooth ding nicht zum laufen\n etwas was nach einem fehler aussieht ist folgendes\n http://pastebin.com/a9SCyxZh\n allerdings hab ich nicht finden k\u00c3\u00b6nnen wie ich das fixe\n mein ganzes problem entspricht sonst so ziemlich dem hier: http://askubuntu.com/questions/595998/bluetooth-working-but-wont-detect-any-devices\n falls irgendjemand nur eine idee hat wo ich weitermachen k\u00c3\u00b6nnte w\u00c3\u00a4re ich sehr dankbar\n hallo, ich habe ubuntu 15.10 parallel zu win8 installiert und wollte es nach der installation starten, habe mich angemeldet, aber die unity-oberfl\u00c3\u00a4che baut sich nicht auf. ich habe ein lenovo y50-70 mit i7 und gtx 860m, 8gb ram. wie l\u00c3\u00b6se ich das problem?\n kanda_: d.h. der ubuntu login bildschirm kommt?\n Wenn ich ein dd image von einer Festplatte ziehe. Gibt es eine M\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit das Image zu komprimieren und auch wieder einfach zur\u00c3\u00bcckzuschreiben. Ohne es seperat wieder zu entpacken? Also alles auf einmal in einer Zeile?\n Pipes\n kann mir jemand bei dem problem helfen?\n dreamon__: \"dd if=/dev/sdb bs=1M | lz4 - sdb.img.lz4\" \u00e2\u0086\u0092 \"lz4 -d sdb.img.lz4 - | dd of=/dev/sdX bs=1M\"\n zB so\n dasjoe, Danke.. wird gleich getestet.. (bekomm ich da deine Fortschrittmeldung? dd ist ja im prinzip sehr schweigsam\n m\u00c3\u00bc\u00c3\u009fte bei dd nicht ein of= oder sowas dabei sein?\n dreamon__: ne, da gibt's keine Meldung. Auch lz4 meldet nichts\n dreamon__: ohne of= gibt es nach stdout aus, genau das willst du ja.\n dreamon__: kannst auch gzip/xz oder so statt lz4 nehmen\n dreamon__: vielleicht w\u00c3\u00a4re es einfacher, fsarchiver zu benutzen? Das macht aber nur Images von Partitionen, nicht von ganzen Platten\n Verstehe.. bei dd kann ich ja normalerweise ein kill -USR1 senden um nachzufragen wie weit er schon ist. Das wird hier demnach nicht funktionieren?\n dasjoe, Ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte schon gerne die ganze HDD und nicht nur eine Partition retten.\n Ich hoffe das das das Archiv danach auch funktioniert.. das beim Zur\u00c3\u00bcckspielen dann das gro\u00c3\u009fe Aua kommt.\n dreamon__: \"retten\"?\n dreamon__: dann willst du gddrescue benutzen, das komprimiert zwar nicht, macht aber was es soll. Defekte Platten retten\n ne.. schon ein Backup. :)\n Mu\u00c3\u009f Notebook einschicken und vorher will ich alles noch retten/backupn\n einfach das tool pv dazwischen schalten\n dd if=/dev/sdb bs=1M | pv -petra -s 100m |lz4 - sdb.img.lz4 \u00e2\u0086\u0092 In etwa so?\n es gibt vom US Department of Defense Computer Forensic Lab eine gepatchte Version von dd namens dcfldd, das hat eine Fortschrittsanzeige \n musca, hihi. \n dreamon__, schaute gerade mal was ich an io werkzeugen derzeit installiert habe.. iostat sieht f\u00c3\u00bcr solche aufgaben auch brauchbar aus\n lz4 ist nicht mehr in den Paketquellen. Mu\u00c3\u009f man sich das selbst zusammenfrickeln?\n wieso unbedingt lz4?\n dreamon__: wie immer... WIKI! https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/dd\n da stehlt alles, inkl. Komprimierung und Fortschrittsanzeige\n dd if=/dev/sda bs=1M | pv -petra -s 100m | gzip > ~/image-compress_sda1.img.gz \u00e2\u0086\u0092 koegs so ganz direkt seht es nicht, aber das hab ich mir nun so zusammengebaut.\n ja nu, das ist ein wiki, das regt zum lesen und verstehen an und gibt dir nicht genau(!) das beispiel was du in deinem fall brauchst...\n koegs, Nur wie baue ich es wieder zur\u00c3\u00bcck .. \"gzip ~/image-compress_sda1.img.gz und das dann als inputfile an dd und of=/dev/sda ...\" argh.. das Pipen und das entpacken..\n dreamon__: steht doch auch da\n Ich habe eine System Partioion mit dem Dateisystem XFS, nun wollte ich die Gr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fe. Habe mir den Artikel durchgelesen: https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Dateisystemgr%C3%B6%C3%9Fe_%C3%A4ndern nun klappt das ganze nicht :/\n ich gebe eine \"xfs_growfs /\" kriege aber nur metainformationen angezeigt\n hallo, ist jetzt jemand da?\n kanda_: nein\n hoi, kann ich ls irgendwie ne datei mit ner liste von dateien geben, sodass es mir die nach mtime sortiert ausgibt?\n oder von mir aus auch irgendne xargs magic\n dAnjou: ls -ltr < liste_mit_dateien ?\n ma guggn\n find --older-as fofile ?\n h\u00c3\u00a4? wo hastn die option her?\n leszek: das funktioniert nich\n das macht ein ls im ganzen verzeichnis\n dAnjou\u00e2\u0080\u00a6 -cnewer ?\n dAnjou: upps ls -ltr $(cat liste_mit_dateien) dann\n r sorgt f\u00c3\u00bcr umgekehrte Reihenfolge. Sprich die Reihenfolge ist andersherum neuste Dateien unten und so\n ah. jetzt hab ich die frage verstanden\n leszek: jo, des wee\u00c3\u009f ich ;)\n leszek: und das mit dem cat hat auch funktioniert, danke\n :)\n ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte mit dconf eine whitelist[...] f\u00c3\u00bcr Programme in der Taskleiste einstellen -siehe: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Unity/Unity_Desktop ('Per GUI aktivieren\") Aber unter: com/cannonical/unity ist kein Eintrag: panel\n ich beutze ubuntu 15.04 - bei 12.04 geht das alles noch\n hallo, leider wird meine swap parition nicht von ubuntu erkannt\n Guest2655, definiere \"nicht erkannt\".\n ich muss nach jedem system start sudo mkswap und sudo swapon eingeben damit sie erkannt wird\n zuvor habe ich schon die fstab angepasst damit es \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt funktioniert\n http://pastebin.com/5871F8gC\n zuvor war zeile 14 auskommentiert und 15 nicht\n Guest2655, die Ausgabe von sudo parted -l in einem pastebin bitte.\n nachdem oder vor dem manuellen einbinden\n Guest2655, egal.\n http://pastebin.com/qA0pK2eJ\n dual boot\n i should not encrypted my home directory :D \n Guest2655, sollte eigentlich keine Probleme machen, sehe auch nicht wieso die Swap nicht eingehaenggt werden sollte.\n Guest2655, du musst sie jedesmal neu anlegen nach dem start, ansonsten wird die nicht eingehaengt?\n genau\n Guest2655, probier nach dem neustart mal sudo mount -va bzw. sudo mountall -v, und schau in dmesg rein, vielleicht gibt das eine brauchbare Auskunft.\n Hi .... k\u00c3\u00b6nnt ihr einen internet radio player empfehlen? es sollten schon viele internationale sender vorkonfiguriert sein, ich m\u00c3\u00b6cht nicht erst urls kopieren und pasten.\n dididodo: radio tray hab ich im tray\n da sind auch alle m\u00c3\u00b6glichen genres schon welche drin. aber eigene dazu packen war einfach\n k1l_, ok, danke, werde den mal gleich installieren ...+\n k1l_, hab radio tray installiert, aber ich h\u00c3\u00b6r nix, nachdem ich eine station angeklickt habe ... das aufpoppen der preferences dauert ewig\n guck mal in den system settings im audio ob das program zu leise ist.\n bei mir gehts gut\n k1l_ .. danke, ich werde es anders machen .... http://www.shoutcast.com/internet-radio und fertig ist die kiste\n dididodo, wenn du keine angst davo hast software selber zu kompilieren, kannst du mal Yarock ausprobieren\n was mich daran erinnert, dass ich den noch nicht ausprobiert habe \u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n mrkamps, danke ... ich erinnere mich, dass ich vor vielen jahren mal einen tollen radio player installiert hatte. angenehme oberfl\u00c3\u00a4che und viele stationen voreingestellt. weiss aber nicht mehr wie der hiess.\n Nabend, ich habe heut ein Mock-up tool gesucht und bin auf evolus pencil gesto\u00c3\u009fen. Habe mein mock-up erstellt und wollte es jetzt exportieren (Export Document->Webpage->Default HTML Template) nur leider werden keinerlei Dateien erstellt. Der Ladebalken ist direkt komplett voll und dann tut sich nichts mehr. Hatte jemand zuf\u00c3\u00a4llig schonmal ein \u00c3\u00a4hnliches Problem?\n Credi, welche version?\n 2.0.5\n sry, ich muss passen \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 programm verwechselt\n mrkramps: meinst bestimmt den animation/clip editor? den hatte ich auch kurzzeitig installiert ;)\n funktionieren denn bei dir die anderen export formate?\n mrkramps: ne als png passiert leider auch nichts..\n mrkramps: oh pdf geht, was in meinem fall leider nicht sehr viel hilft...\n Credi, fehlen in der installation vielleicht die templates f\u00c3\u00bcr den export?\n mrkramps: das achte ich auch schon. hab dann hier (https://code.google.com/p/evoluspencil/downloads/detail?name=DefaultHTMLTemplate.zip&can=2&q=label%3ATemplate) nochmals das html default template geladen eingebunden, hat aber leider auch nichts gebracht\n Credi, du solltest dir die bugs mal ansehen https://code.google.com/p/evoluspencil/issues/list\n mrkramps: okay werde ich gleich mal bei gucken, danke dir f\u00c3\u00bcr die wegweisung ;)\n das liest sich eher alles so, als wenn das programm weit weg davon ist einsetzbar zu sein\n mrkramps: hmm.. wei\u00c3\u009ft du eine anst\u00c3\u00a4ndige alternative?\n Credi, nicht unbedingt mein fachgebiet\n mrkramps: achso, na werd schon bestimmt noch irgendwas finden. nochmals vielen dank!\n Credi, du suchst was speziell f\u00c3\u00bcr ui mockups?\n mrkramps: eher f\u00c3\u00bcr webdesign\n auf pinterest findest du viel davon\n Credi, dazu finde ich irgendwie gerade auch nichts, was nicht entweder webbased oder kommerziell ist\n im zweifelsfall w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich daf\u00c3\u00bcr einfach inkscape empfehlen\n mrkramps: ja echt schade, dass dieses \"evolus pencil\" nicht ausgereift ist. hat eigentlich wunderbar funktioniert bis zum export und mir ist heut mittag auch aufgefallen dass es in dem Bereich wohl etwas an Software mangelt, ich schau dann mal wie weit ich mit linkscape komme.\n#ubuntu-de 2015-07-29\n Hallo\n wie versorge ich meinen firefox mit einer aktuellen flash version?\n gar nicht, flash muss sterben.\n nur weil firefox jetzt jedem mal auf die nase bindet wie schlecht flash ist \u00c3\u00a4ndert das nichts daran, dass flash schon seit langem ein riesen problem ist. \n ja schon klar :-D die html5 version von youtube l\u00c3\u00a4uft ganz wunderbar, aber andere sind alternativlos\n https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/adobe_flash\n samt der hinweise lesen. nicht nur nach den befehlen \u00c3\u00bcberfliegen\n aber ich f\u00c3\u00bcrchte im firefox wird die meldung weiterhin erscheinen. die musst du halt immer f\u00c3\u00bcr jede seite erlauben. \n mit dem flashplayer 11.irgendwas.491 sollte die Meldung nicht mehr kommen. Also bitte auf die aktuelle Version aktualisieren, dann wirst du das Problem nicht mehr haben r2000\n die einzige L\u00c3\u00b6sung f\u00c3\u00bcr mich mit dem Flash-Problem ist es, google chrome zu nutzen\n aber auch nicht gerade toll, weil ich nicht so gerne meine daten an google gebe\n eventuell w\u00c3\u00a4re chromium mit pepper-flash-plugin eine alternative\n ubik__: warum denn das ? Der FlashPlayer f\u00c3\u00bcr den Firefox ist doch aktuell mit 491 und sollte da klappen. Zudem gibts freshplayer mit dem man zur Not auch das PPAPI Flashplugin von Chrome mit firefox nutzen kann\n Also ein Google Chrome muss nicht verwendet werden um Flash abzuspielen. Ich rate davon sowieso ab sich so einen Trojaner auf den Rechner zu holen\n leszek: Ja, aber bei vielen Videos geht zum Beispiel Vollbild nicht richtig, wenn ich den Flashplayer f\u00c3\u00bcr Firefox nutze\n Beispielsweise auf dmax.de\n Mit Google Chrome klappt es\n Oder einige Buttons funktionieren nicht richtig auf einigen anderen Seiten\n ubik__: ok ich kenne das nicht. Aber dann kannst du wie gesagt den freshplayer benutzen, der als plugin das ppapi flash von chrome nutzt\n probier ich mal aus\n der adobe flashplayer hat \u00c3\u00bcbrigens den Vorteil, dass DRM geschichten laufen. Man braucht daf\u00c3\u00bcr zwar das hal Paket aber einige Webseiten rtlnow und andere Mediatheken oder Amazon Prime ben\u00c3\u00b6tigen dieses\n also ich habe sudo apt-get install freshplayerplugin pepperflashplugin-nonfree\n installiert\n aber auf dmax.de funktioniert vollbild einfach nicht\n ich kriege einen schwarzen bildschirm\n und nachdem ich flashplugin-installer deinstalliert habe\n bekomme ich einen wei\u00c3\u009fen bildschirm\n lol\n :D\n ubik__: lass mich mal bei mir checken\n dmex videothek ?\n *dmax\n ja\n einfach irgendein video anklickenm\n -m\n ich habe eine intel hd 4600p\n ok mal sehen.\n ja schonmal besser als meine intel hd3000\n und ubuntu 15.04\n aber auch mit 14.04 war es nicht anders\n Also l\u00c3\u00a4uft bei mir\n Es ruckelt nur wie sau im Fenstermodus. Mach ich Vollbild wirds fl\u00c3\u00bcssig\n hmm\n ubik__: rechtsklick und einstellungen. Ist dort 3D Beschleunigung oder Hardwarebeschleunigung an oder aus ?\n an\n aber auch mit aus funktioniert es nicht\n nach ausschalten musst du aber einmal reloaden die ganze seite, sonst \u00c3\u00bcbernimmt der das nicht\n flashplayer muss quasi einmal neustarten\n ok, geht aber auch nicht\n lol\n jetzt habe ich was bemerkt\n undzwar ?\n ganz oben links wird das video abgespielt, aber nur im 10x10 Pixel Format\n :D\n haha herrlich. Ach der Flashplayer. Jetzt wei\u00c3\u009ft du warum der so beliebt ist\n Ja ganz seltsam\n Das ist der Grund, warum ich immer noch auf Google Chrome angewiesen bin\n W\u00c3\u00a4re das Problem mit dem Flash Player nicht, w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich Firefox benutzen.\n Nunja wenn es partout unter Firefox nicht geht, dann nimm besser den Chromium, das ist quasi Chrome ohne Google Spionage\n mal ausprobieren...\n Chrome basiert ja auf Chromium und Chromium ist das OpenSource Projekt\n ubik__, hast du den vielleicht mal von hand installiert?\n https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/adobe_flash#Unterschiedliche-Versionen-von-Adobe-Flash\n ne, hab ich nicht\n mit chromium geht es aber auch\n hi\n hallo\n ist es m\u00c3\u00b6glich und sinnvoll Lubuntu mit Mate zu installieren? Auf meinem Notebook lief/l\u00c3\u00a4uft Lubuntu reibungslos, allerdings komm ich mit dem Lxde Interface nicht zurecht\n zur zeit habe ich ubuntu mate installiert, es ist jedoch nicht so schnell wie unter lubuntu\n ja entweder h\u00c3\u00bcbsch und langsam, oder lubuntu und schnell\n naja lubuntu find ich in der lxde (standartform) handhabe nicht sonderlich praktisch, linux mint oder ubuntu mate find ich praktischer \n freundlicher und leichter zu verstehen\n lubuntu \u00c3\u00bcberzeugt jedoch ungemein in der schnelligkeit\n monir_: ubuntu, lubuntu, xubuntu, kubuntu haben alle die selbe code basis. der desktop macht dne unterschied\n genau\n und lubuntu mit lxde ist nunmal extra auf langsame und alte hardware ausgerichtet und deswegen schnell.\n wenn du auf lubuntu aber wieder so einen schweren desktop draufklatscht, dann ist es eben kein lubuntu mehr.\n wenn ich also lubuntu mit dem mate desktop installiere, verliert es seinen zweck?\n ist es denn m\u00c3\u00b6glich den lxde desktop in seiner steuerung so zu ver\u00c3\u00a4ndern, dass er mate \u00c3\u00a4hnelt\n was denn genau?\n du kannst dir auch mal xubuntu angucken. aber wenn es leicht sein soll ist gehts richtung lubuntu\n ich hab lxde nicht mehr genau vor augen, aber was die einstellung angeht find ich zum beispiel linux mint oder ubuntu mate einfacher zu handhaben\n aber ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte den chat nicht mit so lappalien strapazieren, es ist deiner meinung nach sinnlos lubuntu mit dem mate desktop zu installieren?\n hallo zusammen \n monir_: der desktop ist einer der haupt ressourcen fresser. wenn du anstatt dem sehr leichten lxde nun einen anderen laufen l\u00c3\u00a4sst wird es nunmal langsamer.\n ok dankesch\u00c3\u00b6n\n habe ein probelem mit dem update unter kubuntu 14.04\n Encountered a section with no Package: header\n E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/repo.steampowered.com_steam_dists_precise_steam_i18n_Translation-de\n E: Die Paketliste oder die Statusdatei konnte nicht eingelesen oder ge\u00c3\u00b6ffnet werden.\n und habe das hier mal versucht \n sudo apt-get -o dpkg::options::=\"--force-confnew\" -o dpkg::options::=\"--force-confmiss\" --reinstall install PAKET \n kein erfolg\n dann ist das steam repo mal wieder am spinnen. einfach das steam PPA mal ausschalten. und die tage nochmal wieder probieren\n ok danke\n und ich habe noch ein problem \n GPG-Fehler: http://ppa.launchpad.net trusty Release: Die folgenden Signaturen konnten nicht \u00c3\u00bcberpr\u00c3\u00bcft werden, weil ihr \u00c3\u00b6ffentlicher Schl\u00c3\u00bcssel nicht verf\u00c3\u00bcgbar ist: NO_PUBKEY 8771ADB0816950D8\n und weiss nicht was ich da noch machen sol\n da ich es nicht verstehe \n sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 8771ADB0816950D8\n ok aber warum kommt den der fehler \n habe da nie was gemacht \n ich danke dir erst mals f\u00c3\u00bcr alles\n also der eine fehler ist schon mal weg\n und beim steam einfach mal den ppa ausschalten\n habe das ppa vom steam deaktiviert aber der fehler ist immer noch \n leszek: Mit Chromium habe ich ebenfalls Probleme, der will das Video gar nicht laden.\n Nanobox: mach mal ein \"sudo apt update\" und pack es in einen pastebin und zeig den link hier\n Muss ich wohl doch google-chrome benutzen...\n http://pastebin.com/yL6PepkB\n das steam repo ist immernoch an\n hoffe habs richtig gemacht\n Hallo. Ich hab da ein kleines Problem. \n dann erz\u00c3\u00a4hl mal\n :-)\n sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup\u00e2\u0086\u0092Makefile:183: *** Error: unable to find the sources of your current Linux kernel. Specify KERN_DIR= and run Make again. Schluss.\n Mein Virtualbox will nicht mehr. :(\n Ich hab /boot etwas Platzprobleme. Und habe mir da etwas Freiraum verschafft.\n dpkg -l 'linux-*' | sed '/^ii/!d;/'\"$(uname -r | sed \"s/\\(.*\\)-\\([^0-9]\\+\\)/\\1/\")\"'/d;s/^[^ ]* [^ ]* \\([^ ]*\\).*/\\1/;/[0-9]/!d' | tee zu_entfernende_Kernel \n Warum installierst du nicht virtualbox per apt-get?\n cat zu_entfernende_Kernel | xargs sudo apt-get -y purge; rm zu_entfernende_Kernel \n Damit hab ich mir Platz verschafft. \n Virtualbox war schon installiert gewesen, aber kam ein neuer Kern.\n Scheinbar mu\u00c3\u009f er da was gel\u00c3\u00b6scht haben, was er f\u00c3\u00bcr ein sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup \u00e2\u0086\u0092 dringend braucht\n Vielleicht linux-source?\n bis jetzt klapt alles\n k1l_ warum war der fehelr mit dem kay server\n fehler\n Nanobox: k.a. warum der key rausgeflogen ist. passier ab und zu wenn man zuviele andere keys hat von repos\n barnie: installiere das \"linux-generic\" paket\n bin dabei muss mal neu starten\n k1l_, PUH. VIELEN DANK!!\n Dicken Daumen hoch!! DANKE.. \n k1l_ ich habe genau nur das repo vom steam drauf\n http://pastebin.com/szZSycLf\n das ist das was ich jetzt bekomme\n daf\u00c3\u00bcr habe ich den fehler vom steam nicht mehr \n so jetzt ist alles wieder ok \n auch mit eingeschalteten steam repos\n weiss zwar nicht warum das so ist aber es geht \n k1l_ ich danke dir f\u00c3\u00bcr deine hilfe\n bitte, genr\n jk__: bitte was?\n bitte gerne :)\n Soll ich daraus (\"Die Grundvoraussetzungen zum Betrieb eines Scanservers ist nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich ein funktionierender Scanner, der direkt am Scanserver angeschlossen ist.\") schlie\u00c3\u009fen, dass ein Multifunktionsger\u00c3\u00a4t mit LAN-Anschlu\u00c3\u009f nicht per LAN scannen kann? ... stammt aus https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/SANE-Scanserver_im_Netzwerk\n wenn der Scanner per Netzwerk \"direkt angeschlossen\" sein darf, dann passt dein Weltbild wieder.\n hi\n hi alex\n huh, ich? \n ja, huhu\"\n ICh habe schon mehrfach versucht SDK in Ubuntu 15.04 zu installieren. ABer das ganze endet dann immer so: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11961132/ Ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde gerne mal Scopes oder Apps f\u00c3\u00bcr das Ubuntu Phone coden, aber ich bekomme das SDK nicht zum laufen\n Hat jemand eine Idee, oder funktioniert das ganze nicht auf 15.04?\n musca: Das hab ich jetzt so nicht wirklich verstanden wie Du da was meinst.\n wie kann ich steam l\u00c3\u00b6schen unter kubuntu\n weil mit sudo apt-get remove steam \n geht genau nichts\n oder mit sudo apt-get purge\n Nanobox: bekommst Du eine Fehlermeldung?\n apt-get clean\n Package 'steam:i386' is not installed, so not removed\n weil hatte heute ein problem und jetzt spinnt steam\n ale spiele weg und es l\u00c3\u00a4t sehr langsam\n jokrebel: nein, es gibt sogenannte druck und scanserver als hardware, mit denen du die ger\u00c3\u00a4te \u00c3\u00bcber das netzwerk ansprechen kannst. neuere ger\u00c3\u00a4te haben bereits diese funktion integriert und ich kann bspw. einwandfrei \u00c3\u00bcber das netzwerk (wifi) mit meinem hp mufu arbeiten\n alle spiele die mal im steam waren sind weg und wenn ich sie wieder installen will sagt mir steam ich h\u00c3\u00a4tte zu wenig platz was nicht stimmt\n Rochvellon: Hab auch nen HP (allerdings schon ein wenig \u00c3\u00a4lter) - Hab wie in http://xmodulo.com/configure-network-printer-scanner-ubuntu-desktop.html beschireben versucht einzurichten. Nur findet scanimage -L trotzdem nichts.\n jokrebel: allerdings habe ich das ger\u00c3\u00a4t per hplip eingerichtet.\n Rochvellon: Hm?! Wenn ich das Multiger\u00c3\u00a4t beim Einrichten mit hplip ausw\u00c3\u00a4hle, kann ich im normalen Druckermen\u00c3\u00bc nicht mehr die Patronenst\u00c3\u00a4nde einsehen....\n ah - aber tats\u00c3\u00a4chlich, dann klappt auch das scannen...\n Wie kann in Ubuntu denn nochmal die verwendete Quelle f\u00c3\u00bcr Pakete hinsichtlich der Downloadgeschwindigkeit optimiert werden? Gab es nicht auch hier ein Paket, welches die m\u00c3\u00b6glichen Quellen abruft und diese analysiert?\n netselect-apt\n apt-spy und es gibt sicher noch mehr\n bin aber nicht der meinung das man das braucht\n nagetier: In der Paketquellen-GUI (zB. zu finden im Untermen\u00c3\u00bc von Synaptic) kann man \"herunterladen von\" ausw\u00c3\u00a4hlen - dort dann \"andere\" dann kann man nach \"besten Server ausw\u00c3\u00a4hlen\" anklicken\n bei mir hat er immer automatisch den de mirror in der sourceslist\n und der ist eigentlich schnell genug finde ich\n hatte nie probleme damit\n jokrebel, danke, grafisch nutze ich derzeit nichts, noch ist das System minimal, und ich werde Pakete auch nur per Konsole bearbeiten\n mgolisch, mir kommt die derzeit verwendete sehr langsam vor.. ich schau mal, deine Vorschl\u00c3\u00a4ge h\u00c3\u00b6ren sich gut an, meine mich auch an das Pakete netselect(-apt) zu erinnern (unter Arch Linux)\n *Paket\n nagetier, dann schau dir dazu auch diese liste an https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors\n nur gibt es netselect-apt nicht.. aber ok, mag an der verwendeten Version liegen\n da steht eigentlich alles drin, was man so wissen m\u00c3\u00bcsste\n mrkramps, ok\n mrkramps, joa, sieht gut aus\n finde ich eigentlich nicht \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 da sind mir in deutschland zu viele hinterher\n Frage wenn ich in mein .gz Archiv mit Doppelkick im ArchivManager \u00c3\u00b6ffne, dann zeigt er mir keine Sinnvolle L\u00c3\u00a4nge der komprimierten Dateien(img) an. Er sagt was von von 3.8GB m\u00c3\u00bc\u00c3\u009ften aber > 100GB sein\n gzip kann das nicht.\n gzip dokumentiert nirgendwo die urspr\u00c3\u00bcngliche L\u00c3\u00a4nge.\n Oh. Das ist nicht gut, woher wei\u00c3\u009f ich dann was wirklich drin steckt.. ?\n Schau rein? :)\n Dazu m\u00c3\u00bc\u00c3\u009fte ichs ja komplett entpacken.. bei 100GB kein Spa\u00c3\u009f\n Wieso das? :)\n gzip -l\n Ich irrte mich, das zeigt auch die urspr\u00c3\u00bcngliche L\u00c3\u00a4nge an.\n bekks, Ne du irrtest nicht, der zeigt Bl\u00c3\u00b6dsinn an. \n * musca macht ein rotes Kreuz in bekks' Kalender: der Irrtum 2015\n dreamon: Was istdenn die Ausgabe von gzip -l ?\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/11961949/\n Und wieso soll das nicht stimmen k\u00c3\u00b6nnen? :)\n Weil das Original (unkomprimiert) \u00e2\u0086\u0092 -rw------- 1 dreamon dreamon 112G Apr 18 2014 \u00e2\u0086\u0092 120GB_SSD_Lubuntu.img\n Und komprimiert \u00e2\u0086\u0092 -rw-rw-r-- 1 dreamon dreamon 4,4G Jul 29 22:08 120GB_SSD_LUbuntu.img.gz\n VErsuch das mal mit einem Integer darzustellen - wird schwer ;)\n Daher hast du da einen \u00c3\u009cberl\u00c3\u00a4uf.\n spontan wirkt das wie ein fat32-formatiertes dateisystem\n begrenzte dateigr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fe und so\n Ab wann gibts einen \u00c3\u009cberlauf?\n Sollte ich einen anderen Packer verwenden?\n Wieso? Wozu? :)\n Eigentlich gehts mir nur darum, das ich seh, da\u00c3\u009f das Archiv vollst\u00c3\u00a4ndig erstellt ist. W\u00c3\u00a4re doch cool zu sehen wieviel er komprimiert hat. \n entpacks halt\n :)\n bekks, Kannst mir das mit dem Integer mal erkl\u00c3\u00a4ren.. unsigned int64 sollte 18.446.744.073.709.551.615 doch reichen\n man gzip\n abschnitt BUGS\n der erste absatzu erkl\u00c3\u00a4rt das problem\n mgolisch, Ok unsigned int32 ist nur 4.294.967.295 gro\u00c3\u009f .. das macht Sinn\n ls -lha vorher und nachher sagt doch auch wieviel da komprimiert wurde.\n bekks, what?\n Das Problem ist doch, wenn ich das .gz ablege, das ich nicht reinschauen kann wie gro\u00c3\u009f es wirklich ist, was er da produziert wenn ich es entpacken w\u00c3\u00bcrde. Au\u00c3\u009fer mit dem Beispiel in manual. zcat file.gz | wc -c\n Aber das l\u00c3\u00a4uft ja dann auch ewig ..\n Daher ist meine Frage doch nicht ganz unberechtigt, ob es nicht einen anderen Packer gibt, dieses Problem nicht hat. \n verstehe immernoch nicht wozu diese information notwendig ist, du hast doch die urspr\u00c3\u00bcngliche gr\u00c3\u00b6sse\n The .xz format uses LZMA2.\n p7zip kann sowas auch, denke ich.\n wc -c z\u00c3\u00a4hlt nur Zeichen, nicht Bytes.\n bei bzip2 geht das garnicht\n das hat nichtmal sone list option\n :)\n Hallo. Ist es empfehlenswert bei einem Multibootsystem Win 7 und Ubuntu(-s) je auf einer SSD zu haben und eine HD als Datengrab? Was k\u00c3\u00b6nnten Haken sein?\n wenn du so viele ssds hast, warum nicht :)\n :)\n mgolisch: Wozu auch. :)\n Ich habe bessere Erfahrungen gemacht mit 1 Platte pro OS-Typ. Klar, ist Luxus.\n kannst auch alles auf ssds packen wenn du magst :) also ubuntu ist da relativ freiz\u00c3\u00bcgig wo man die partitionen hinpackt. sollten halt nur nicht volllaufen oder fehlen beim boot.\n Ja richtig, allerdings sind es \"nur\" 256 GB SSDs.\n Die k\u00c3\u00b6nnen schon noch mal voll werden.\n Windows braucht hmm, 50GB, Ubuntu 20GB.\n Da wird nix voll :)\n Daf\u00c3\u00bcr hast du ja das Datengrab.\n jaja, aber da ist dann kein Office GIMP usw dabei.\n Doch, in den 20GB ist eine full blown desktop Umgebung drin.\n Ohne Probleme.\n Es ist nicht sinnvoll Anwendungen im Datenfrab zu installieren.\n Echt?\n 20 GB?\n Echt. \n Cool\n Kann ich ja 10 Ubuntus auf die SSD knallen :)\n Und ein Windows mit ohne Daten vollzukriegen wenn man dem Ding 50G oder 100G gibt, ist auch sau schwer.\n ja stimmt\n Wenn man halt jeden Scheiss auf dem Desktop speichert reichen auch 256TB nicht.\n also nen reines ubuntu system auf \u00c3\u00bcber 20GB zu bekommen ist schon schwierig. das meiste frisst dann ja der user kram, so wie bilder, musik, videos etc...\n mein system ist ohne nutzerdaten rund 12 gb gro\u00c3\u009f\n Is es ein (grosser?) Nachteil, wenn ein solches Multibootssystem noch ein altes BIOS (also: kein UEFI) hat?\n Nein.\n Ok!\n Ist Ubuntu 14.04 voll f\u00c3\u00a4hig SSD zu \"erkennen\" usw.? Win XP ist das n\u00c3\u00a4mlich z. B. nicht (Win XP brauche ich nicht mehr, no panic)\n ja, ubuntu 14.04 macht trim wenn es eine ssd erkennt\n ok sehr gut\n letzte Frage erlaubt?\n nachher h\u00c3\u00b6re ich auf zu labbern\n Gibt es schon Erfahrungen mit Multiboot Win *10* + Ubuntu 14.04?\n ka hab noch nicht geupdated\n warum sollte das nicht klappen?\n Hm immerhin muss GRUB es ja erkennen\n v\u00c3\u00b6llig trivial muss das nicht sein\n nee der bootet nur den bootloader von der windows boot partition\n grub ist das wesentlich offener in der beziehung als der windows bootloader. der l\u00c3\u00a4dt nur windows.\n ok ja schon, aber der Win 10 Bootloader ist dann einfach so identisch oder jedenfalls erkennbar?\n ich glaube nicht das grub windows booten kann\n er laedt einfach nur dessen bootloader\n Ja das ist klar, GRUB erkennt nahezu alles, was im Entferntesten ein OS sein k\u00c3\u00b6nnte\n Ja stimmt schon dass GRUB nur Bootlaoader von Win erkennt, v\u00c3\u00b6llig richtig, aber es ist nicht per se so, dass der Bootloader von Win 10 genau so erkennbar ist wie der von Win 7 oder 8 oder 8.1\n Okay, ich upgrade sowieso vorl\u00c3\u00a4ufig nicht. Ich werde es herausfinden. BB :)\n es kommt dabei wohl auf die grub-version an, ob der bootloader von win 10 automatisch erkannt wird\n allerdings kann man einen eintrag f\u00c3\u00bcr win 10 wohl jederzeit selber hinzuf\u00c3\u00bcgen\n ah ok. Ja , so k\u00c3\u00b6nnte das sein.\n wof\u00c3\u00bcr jetzt nochmal die ganze aufregung? :)\n wenn du jetzt eh nicht demn\u00c3\u00a4chst upgraden willst das win, dann ist das sp\u00c3\u00a4ter doch eh schon geregelt, dass das erkannt wird.\n ja ist wohl so\n hallo zusammen \n versuche den \n deb http://download.videolan.org/pub/debian/stable/\n das im terminal ein zu geben nur das geht nicht \n Der Befehl \u00c2\u00bbdeb\u00c2\u00ab wurde nicht gefunden, meinten Sie vielleicht\n Nanobox, siehe https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/DVD-Wiedergabe\n und danach solltest du dich \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt mal damit auseinandersetzen, wie man mit ubuntu pakete installiert\n danke\n#ubuntu-de 2015-07-30\n hallo, kurze frage zu pureftpd: wie kann ich ihn statt nobody als bestimmten user laufen lassen oder als root?\n ShiroNeko: wieso?\n wieso sollte man wollen das der ftp daemon root rechte hat\n mgolisch: https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/proftpd\n was hier leider nicht funktioniert sind die virtual users\n oder muss zu proftpd-basic noch ein paket installiert werden damit das funktioniert (file based)\n es geht jetzt, lag an den permissions des files ftp.passwd\n fehlt eigentlich nur noch die m\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit einem rw user das erstellen von verzeichnissen und das l\u00c3\u00b6schen zu verbieten, falls m\u00c3\u00b6glich\n Wei\u00c3\u009f eigentlich jemand wie man unter Kubuntu 15.04 im Programm \"Telepathy\" Facebook Chat aktiviert?\n salut \n ubik__: Wenn ich das hier https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/KDE-Telepathy richtig sehe, benutzt Facebook (hab ich nicht ;-) das XMPP/Jabber-Protokoll.\n ubik__: Dar\u00c3\u00bcber wiederum kann man hier https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/XMPP noch mehr nachlesen.\n hi\n moin\n Hallo\n Guest2876, du musst was fragen, sonst beachtet dich hier keiner ;)\n was geht\n#ubuntu-de 2015-07-31\n hi leute... ich hab soeben owncloud 8.1 auf nem ubuntu auf nem raspberry pi 2 eingerichtet. per SSL. au\u00c3\u009ferhalb meines HOME LANs kann ich die url die ich mir \u00c3\u00bcber no-ip.com geholt habe (DNS A)auch aufrufen. nur innerhalb meines lans l\u00c3\u00b6st er die url nicht auf. inwiefern habe ich mein DNS im LAN falsch konfiguriert. wo muss ich nacgucken und was \u00c3\u00a4ndern/neueintragen?\n P.S.: im LAN funktioniert aber nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich die IP adresse also https://192.168.2.191\n dann ist doch alles gut. weshalb willst du von zu hause via no-ip wieder in dein heimnetz?\n ich will dass er die No-IP URL aufl\u00c3\u00a4\u00c3\u00b6n kann\n aufl\u00c3\u00b6sen\n sonst kann ich zb wenn ich mit dem handy wlan anmache nicht mehr den owncloud client benutzen \n hi\n hab eine kurze frage bez\u00c3\u00bcglich windows boot manager und grub bei uefi dualboot von windows und ubuntu auf einer gpt ssd\n gibt es eine m\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit den ubuntu booteintrag in den windows boot manager zu bringen?\n nein, aber umgekehrt geht es\n in grub habe ich windows drin, ja\n lass mich raten, windows schreibt sich selbst immer in den mbr be jedem boot?\n bei*\n okay wollte nur fragen, da mir der windows boot manager besser gef\u00c3\u00a4llt\n achso. nein. ms ist da ein wenig eigen. du wirst wohl grub oder einen anderen bootloader deiner wahl verwenden m\u00c3\u00bcssen.\n n\u00c3\u00b6 hab das problem nicht\n kenn mich zu wenig aus\n aber bei einer gpt formatierten festplatte und uefi mb gibt es keinen mbr oder??\n daf\u00c3\u00bcr ist doch die eigene efi boot partition zust\u00c3\u00a4ndig\n keine ahnung, ob sich das dort anders nennt\n kann auch sein, dass die das nun msr oder so \u00c3\u00a4hnlich nennen, aber du wei\u00c3\u009ft ja, was gemeint ist :)\n aha\n dann muss ich wohl den grub etwas aufpeppen\n windows eintrag umbenennen, da steht n\u00c3\u00a4mlich windows boot manager\n joa. kann man ja nennen, wie man m\u00c3\u00b6chte\n und optisch k\u00c3\u00b6nnte der auch mehr hergeben =)\n kann er\n im windows boot manager kann man die Eintr\u00c3\u00a4ge auch mit der Maus w\u00c3\u00a4hlen.\n wei\u00c3\u009ft du ob das auch geht?\n n\u00c3\u00b6. sorry\n aber wenn du bei google mal nach \"grub2 themes\" suchst, wirst du schnell f\u00c3\u00bcndig. damit kann man den ein wenig aufpeppen\n ok, muss ich mich schlau machen\n aber ob das unbedingt not tut, daf\u00c3\u00bcr, dass man ihn nur so kurz sieht :)\n ich meine schon dass man den linux eintrag in den windows bootmanager unterbringen kann, allerdings wird anschlie\u00c3\u009fend dann immer noch grub aufgerufen.. kA ob es das ist, was du suchst\n unter 7 mbr klappte das mit boardmitteln\n http://www.linux-community.de/Archiv/Tipp-der-Woche/Linux-im-Bootmanager-von-Windows-7 - k\u00c3\u00b6nnte das erledigen, habe es jetzt nicht vollst\u00c3\u00a4ndig gelesen, sieht aber von den Befehlen her brauchbar aus\n ..glaube schon..\n vllt. meine ich aber auch nicht den windows boot manager =D\n dieses startmen\u00c3\u00bc eben\n das blaue kachel m\u00c3\u00a4\u00c3\u009fig win 8 layout\n glaub bis win7 sieht der boot manager noch so aus wie auf dem bild im link\n diesen: http://www.com-magazin.de/img/3/4/1/3/6/8b2a0645750e1fa2.jpeg \n schau mal ob sich da unter der haube etwas ge\u00c3\u00a4ndert hatte, evtl muss man das nur anpassen, prinzip bleibt aber das selbe\n kenne das allerdings ohne dd und grub.bin auf windows \u00c3\u00bcbertragen, es geht/ging auf durch aufruf des grub in der root partition von linux\n s/auf/auch/\n auf einer gpt festplatte, uefi mb und eigener efi boot partition wirds so nicht funktioniern, denk ich mal\n das mag leider sein\n bevor ich da was grob zerst\u00c3\u00b6re werd ichs lieber beim grub belassen\n diesen als erstes starten lassen, etwas aufh\u00c3\u00bcbschen und fertig\n bin froh, dass alles soweit passt in der konstellation mit win10 und ubuntu15.04 auf gpt ssd und uefi installation.\n gut aber, dass ich hier herumschreib, jz f\u00c3\u00a4llt mir ein, dass es in ubuntu noch eine optimierm\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit gibt f\u00c3\u00bcr ssd's. ..mit dem trim befehl glaube ich..\n https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/SSD\n Hallo :)\n hi\n Ich \u00c3\u00bcberlege gerade, ob ich mal l\u00c3\u00a4nger GNOME (oder sogar Unity) testen sollte. Eigentlich bin ich fast schon zufrieden, wenn ich mir viele Arbeitsfl\u00c3\u00a4chen einrichten kann und darauf Browser, Terminals etc. \u00c3\u00b6ffnen kann (gerne ohne fette Leiste voller Icons) und das meiste mit der Tastatur erledigen kann. Das klingt vielleicht eher nach (Tiling-) WM, aber da bin ich zu faul f\u00c3\u00bcr. Aktuell nutze ich XFCE,\n was nicht schlecht gef\u00c3\u00a4llt, aber ein paar Komfort-Sachen von der GNOME-Shell sehen nicht ganz verkehrt aus, vielleicht ist so eine moderne Umgebung ja doch was f\u00c3\u00bcr mich. Meinungen? :)\n Soll hei\u00c3\u009fen: Lohnt sich der Versuch, auch wenn ich wenig Lust habe ewig lange einzurichten? :)\n (Geht \u00c3\u00bcbrigens um Ubuntu 14.04)\n Also bei Ubuntu hab ich die Erfahrung gemacht das wenn ich die Oberfl\u00c3\u00a4che der jeweiligen Version also Xubuntu und co rauswerfe einige Probleme mit der Integration auftreten. Beispiel und wirklich nur Beispiel Evolution und die Integration in Unity.\n Ansonsten kann ich dir als starker Anh\u00c3\u00a4nger der GNOME Oberfl\u00c3\u00a4che nur sagen das es sich wirklich lohnt auszuprobieren und etwas zu finden das den Anforderungen gerecht wird. Ist etwas aufwendig aber danach hat man den Stress nicht mehr :) \n ah gut, ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde wohl nur Firefox, gnome-terminal und evince als \"typische\" Anwendungen nutzen. Da ist mir die Integration der Ubuntu-Dienste recht egal\n Na dann w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich als Oberfl\u00c3\u00a4che immer GNOME empfehlen die ist komplett \u00c3\u00bcber die Tastertur steuerbar und \u00c3\u00bcbersichtlich und nicht UNITY :D \n das klingt schonmal gut :)\n Bekomm ich eine platzsparende Leiste als diese Icon-Liste hin? (so wie man das von GNOME 2 oder XFCE kennt?)\n das wei\u00c3\u009f ich so genau gar nicht :D \n aber auf jedenfall ist es wichtig die GNOME 2 Oberfl\u00c3\u00a4che zu nehmen und nicht die neue GNOME 3 die sieht scheu\u00c3\u009flich aus \n Also GNOME Classic?\n hab ich wieder die Zahlen durch einander gebracht ? :D aber ich denke ja GNOME Classic meine ich \n ah okay, na die hat ja ohnehin die Panel wie bei GNOME 2\n#ubuntu-de 2015-08-01\n moin\n Hallo :)\n Ist es immer noch empfehlenswert erst Windows und dann Ubuntu auf einer neuen Platte zu installieren?\n Das ist der einfachste Weg, ja.\n na gut, dann eben so :)\n Wenn ich Suspend to Disk machen m\u00c3\u00b6chte und 16 Gig Ram habe, sollte meine SWAP-Partition ebenfalls mindestens 16 Gig gro\u00c3\u009f sein, richtig?\n Hey, wei\u00c3\u009f Jemand, wie man Ubuntu CDs rankommt (Canonical hat fr\u00c3\u00bcher mal so nen Service gehabt, wo man einzelne CD's ordern kann und ich frage mich, ob es bedruckte Ubuntu CDs gibt)\n Keba: Jo, kann aber auch gr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fer sein, sofern du den Platz f\u00c3\u00bcr besitzt\n ijk: gut, alles klar :)\n und swap, / und /home kann ich alles als logische partitionen machen, ja?\n Ich hab / als Prim\u00c3\u00a4r und /swap als logische\n Hi, mag mir jemand mit einem Boot problem helfen? An sich funktioniert alles nur leider startet das Bios per default den Windows Boot manager und nicht Grub. Hier die ausf\u00c3\u00bchrlicheren Infos: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11980102/ Habt ihr eine Idee was man noch probieren k\u00c3\u00b6nnte?\n Antrix225, http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/grub_2/reparatur\n Antrix225, Windows wird den MBR von /dev/sda \u00c3\u00bcberschrieben haben\n OK ich schau mal ob ich es sich damit l\u00c3\u00b6sen l\u00c3\u00a4sst vielen Dank schon mal\n Ich habe jetzt eine neuinstallation von Grub2 versucht allerdings scheint er die efi directory nicht finden zu k\u00c3\u00b6nnen selbst wenn ich ihm die efi partition angebe\n nabend. habe heute windows 10 installiert per update und jetzt immer noch den eintrag \"Windows 7\" im bootmen\u00c3\u00bc vom grub2. kann man da irgendwie aus der 7 eine 10 machen ohne immensen aufwand?\n p01nt3r, ja\n ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde einfach mal update-grub ausf\u00c3\u00bchren. sollte windows 10 finden\n nein, tut es nicht, habe ich eben probiert. es bleibt windows 7.\n ring0, m\u00c3\u00b6glich dass diese grub version das noch nicht erkennt \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 aber man kann es manuell eintragen\n mrkramps: erkl\u00c3\u00a4rst du mir auch wo und wie?\n jetzt krieg ich das nur nicht mehr auf den schirm, wie und wo die eintr\u00c3\u00a4ge bearbeitet werden m\u00c3\u00bcssten\n joa, manuell geht. automatisch w\u00c3\u00a4r halt sch\u00c3\u00b6n, auch f\u00c3\u00bcr k\u00c3\u00bcnftige updates und so ;)\n ring0, in der aktuelen version von grub funktioniert das auch schon\n p01nt3r, welche ubuntu version hast du gerade?\n die datei 30_os-prober im grub.d-verzeichnis ist ja relativ kryptisch. soll heissen: da steht ja nicht einfach \"boote windows xy...\" drin.\n ubuntu-mate 14.04\n man k\u00c3\u00b6nnte die /boot/grub/grub.cfg editieren, aber das \u00c3\u00bcberlebt halt kein weiteres update-grub\n genau, das hab ich auch so gelesen.\n besser w\u00c3\u00a4re es vielleicht, da anzusetzen, wo linux ausliest, welches windows da installiert ist?\n bzw. grub es ausliest\n eigentlich ist es ja reine kosmetik, also v\u00c3\u00b6llig egal. aber ich gehe davon aus, dass dem os-prober skript halt noch die windows 10 erkennung fehlt. zumindest in der grub version, die du gerade nutzt\n ich schau mal, wie die das in der aktuellen version gel\u00c3\u00b6st haben\n das ist nett von euch.\n wie mrkramps ja schon sagte, in der aktuellsten version gehts\n ring0, also laut dem internet, soll das zumindest klappen \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 booten kann grub das ja eh schon\n jo\n mrkramps, ja, und der eintrag im bootloader ist nun wirklich rein optisch. ich bin raus ;)\n p01nt3r, das einfachste w\u00c3\u00a4re vielleicht https://launchpad.net/grub-customizer zu verwenden\n mrkramps: Gibts das \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt aktuell noch? Erinner mich Dunkel das erst vor kurzem erfolglos gesucht zu haben, wenn ich mich nicht t\u00c3\u00a4usche. \n war eben noch auf deren ppa-seite.\n jokrebel, das ppa geht bis vivid\n also aktuell, letzte version 04 2014\n in find die l\u00c3\u00b6sung jetzt eigentlich auch nicht sch\u00c3\u00b6n, aber ich w\u00c3\u00bcsste jetzt auch nicht, welche dateien man manuell wie editieren m\u00c3\u00bcsste\n mrkramps: habs gerade abge\u00c3\u00a4ndert, mal neu starten und schauen ob er es gemacht hat.\n bg\n muss ich nach dem bearbeiten eines eintrages nochmal update-grub ausf\u00c3\u00bchren?\n gute frage, aber sollte das programm das nicht vielleicht irgendwo anbieten?\n ich probiers einfach aus. bis gleich.\n mrkramps: das hat geklappt. bootet auch noch alles. komischerweise existiert jetzt die alte /etc/grub.d/30_os-probe datei nicht mehr sondern eine 30_os-probe-proxy datei.\n in dem script selbst steht so eine art verweis auf den alten eintrag mit dem neuen eintrag.\n tjo, wenn das sytem davon nicht in brand ger\u00c3\u00a4t, mag das zu vernachl\u00c3\u00a4ssigen sein ^^\n ich war schlau. hab die alte 30-os_probe vorher gesichert ;-)\n mrkramps: danke f\u00c3\u00bcr den tip mit dem grub-customizer!\n bye bye...\n p01nt3r, gerne!\n /set term_charset utf-8\n /set recode_out_default_charset utf-8\n claus, immerhin war's nicht dein IRC passowrt =P\n#ubuntu-de 2015-08-02\n moin, habe folgenden fehler:\n W: GPG-Fehler: http://download.opensuse.org Release: Die folgenden Signaturen konnten nicht \u00c3\u00bcberpr\u00c3\u00bcft werden, weil ihr \u00c3\u00b6ffentlicher Schl\u00c3\u00bcssel nicht verf\u00c3\u00bcgbar ist: NO_PUBKEY 5A7D1D38BEB6D886\n<_moep_> dir fehlt der schl\u00c3\u00bcssel\n<_moep_> apt-key ist dein freund: https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/apt/apt-key\n<_moep_> dann klappts auch mit dem nachbarn^Wdownload\n _moep_: woher wei\u00c3\u009f ich welchen schl\u00c3\u00bcssel ich adden muss?\n<_moep_> die id steht in der fehlermeldung\n<_moep_> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 5A7D1D38BEB6D886\n<_moep_> sudo apt-get update\n<_moep_> in deinem fall\n gpgkeys: key 5A7D1D38BEB6D886 not found on keyserver\n _moep_eine idee?:)\n was ist das f\u00c3\u00bcr eine Quelle? Ein PPA?\n W: GPG-Fehler: http://download.opensuse.org Release: Die folgenden Signaturen konnten nicht \u00c3\u00bcberpr\u00c3\u00bcft werden, weil ihr \u00c3\u00b6ffentlicher Schl\u00c3\u00bcssel nicht verf\u00c3\u00bcgbar ist: NO_PUBKEY 5A7D1D38BEB6D886\n so genau wei\u00c3\u009f ich das nicht :(\n kakashiAL: Dann willst Du auch diese offensichtliche Fremdquelle nicht in Deinem Ubuntu haben...\n jedenfalls ist eine Quelle \"opensuse.org\" maximal aus einem PPA\n also einfach apt-key del 5A7D1D38BEB6D886?\n Die entsprechende Paketquelle musst Du schon auch aus den sources entfernen.\n kakashiAL: du kannst auch einfach den key h\u00c3\u00a4ndisch hinzuf\u00c3\u00bcgen\n jokrebel: einige projekte hosten ihre pakete bei opensuse\n jokrebel: finde das packet in den quellen nicht\n k1l: ist der befehl richtig?\n k1l: Ja ich wei\u00c3\u009f. Aber ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde nicht irgendwelche Schl\u00c3\u00bcssel hinzuf\u00c3\u00bcgen, wenn ich nicht einmal nachvollziehn kann wem und warum.\n kakashiAL: der befehl ist quatsch\n kakashiAL: mach mal ein \"ls -al /etc/apt/sources.list.d\" und pack es in einen pastebin\n jokrebel: der user hat die software installiert und hat dem PPA vertraut, nur ist der key rausgeflogen. da jetzt panik zu machen ist einfach unn\u00c3\u00bctz\n l\u00c3\u00b6sen tut man das mit \"sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 5A7D1D38BEB6D886\"\n https://paste.xinu.at/qDrmwr/\n ok, keines dabei welches ich kenne, das bei opensuse hostet. aber mit dem genannten befehl l\u00c3\u00b6st sich das problem\n k1l: Hat nichts mit Panikmache zu tun. Bin halt der Meinung man sollte schon ungef\u00c3\u00a4hr im \u00c3\u009cberblick haben, was man so an nicht-ubuntu-quellen im System hat und warum.\n https://paste.xinu.at/kLvMk/\n k1l: funxt nicht :(\n dann musst du der quelle sagen, dass sicher deren key abgelaufen ist.\n k1l: wie bekomme ich die quelle heraus?:(\n wobei wir wieder bei der Frage w\u00c3\u00a4ren zu welcher Quelle/Anwendung der Schl\u00c3\u00bcssel \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt geh\u00c3\u00b6rt.\n egrep -rni -e \"opensuse\" /etc/apt/\n https://paste.xinu.at/ujBl/\n du kannst auch den key aus http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/Horst3180/xUbuntu_15.04/ versuchen manuel hinzuzuf\u00c3\u00bcgen\n geht um das arc-theme\n wget -qO - http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/Horst3180/xUbuntu_15.04/Release.key | sudo apt-key add - \n das sollte klappen\n du hast doch 15.04 oder?\n hmm\n ich hb hier schwarzbrot im schrank gefunden das ist seit 4 monaten abgelaufen\n k1l_: ich habe ubuntu lts 14.04\n sieht aber noch gut und saftig aus\n ThreeM: echan :)\n kakashiAL: warum hast du denn dann das 15.04 repo dort aktiviert? o_O\n ah ok, weil das 14.04 repo gar kein arc theme hat.\n naja, klingt nicht osnderlich gut aufgebaut das repo\n hmm schmeckt auch noch gut\n k1l_: muss ich jetzt auf das neue xubuntu desktop upgraden?\n kakashiAL: nein.\n ach wrong channel hier ....sorry\n nutzt du das arc-theme \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt?\n ahh okay, dann l\u00c3\u00b6sch ich das einfach :)\n Guten Tag, ich hab mal wieder ein kleines Problem, meine SD Karte wird von Ubuntu nicht immer erkannt, muss die SD Karte immer mehrmals einstecken bis es klappt, und Heute klappt es gar nicht mehr. Aber in den Laufwerken wird die SD Karte angezeigt, ich kann da aber nichts bearbeiten, als manuell Einbinden geht nicht, Sie wird da nur angezeigt als Unbekannt.\n wie \u00c3\u00a4u\u00c3\u009fert sich das, wenn ein laufwerk eine sd karte anzeigt?\n ?\n ich kann mir darunter nichts vorstellen\n ALso die SD Karte wird gar nicht angezeigt, nur wen ich in das Tool \"Laufwerke\" gehe, wird die SD Karte dort als Unbekannt angezeigt\n aha. ja dann w\u00c3\u00bcrd ich ganz klassisch gucken was dmesg ausspuckt oder in der syslog steht\n Muss ich alles was bei dmesg kommt in Past.Ubuntu einstellen, weil es ist sehr viel\n Anf: Eher mal mit tail -f /var/log/syslog schauen, was so beim Einstecken der SD-Karte passiert.\n ok, werde ich gleich machen. Die SD Karte wurde eben gerade erkannt, ich muss die SD Karte immer ca. 10mal ein und raus stecken, bis Ubuntu die Karte erkennt, ich wei\u00c3\u009f nicht woran es liegt, wen der Treiber nicht gingen w\u00c3\u00bcrde, w\u00c3\u00bcrde es ja immer nicht gehen, das ist voll komisch\n Vermutlich ist sie einfach kaputt.\n einfach mal in dmesg gucken was da abgeht wenn du sie einsteckst. aber hardware, gerade usb-stick und sd karten, gehen schnell kaputt. damit muss man rechnne\n Ja, das Problem ist nur, das Windows 7 und die GoPro die SD Karte ohne Probleme sofort erkenne, aber Ubuntu erst nach mehreren versuchen, das ist nur komisch, ich hab sch\u00c3\u00b6n mehrere miniSD zu SD Adaptern versucht, aber immer das gleiche\n Jetzt wo er die SD Karte erkannt hat, werden die Daten mit 20MB/s \u00c3\u00bcbertragen, es ist eine miniSD HC Karte, schaffen die eigendlich nicht mehr als 20MB/s, oder liegt es an meinem eingebauten SD Karten Leser im PC oder dem Treiber\n moin\n Ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte Euch allen einen sch\u00c3\u00b6nen Sonntag wuenschen.\n Wann kommt libre office 4?\n ist bereits ver\u00c3\u00b6ffentlicht\n satorisanja, siehe wiki-artikel https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/LibreOffice und https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/LibreOffice/Installation\n danke\n satorisanja, die version in den offiziellen paketquellen wird nicht erneuert, das m\u00c3\u00bcsste man also selber machen\n Also manuell installieren nicht \u00c3\u00bcber Paketverwaltung?\n satorisanja, im Artikel f\u00c3\u00bcr die Installation ist das beschrieben. Entweder \u00c3\u00bcber den Download der deb-Pakete oder einfacher \u00c3\u00bcber das einbinden eines PPAs\n Guten Tag. Ich lese gerade das ubuntuusers.de-Tutorial zu bash scripts und frage mich, warum man eine Variable per unset loeschen sollte. Wo braucht man das?\n Ist ein shell-script ausfuehren identisch dazu, den inhalt des scripts direkt in das terminal zu copypasten?\n ich verstehe im tutorial auch nicht so ganz, was damit gemeint ist, dass man keinen zugriff auf PATH hat, wenn dann spaeter PATH als eine der vor-definierten variablen genannt wird. \n RedNifre: bitte?\n Unset habe ich tats\u00c3\u00a4chlich noch nie gebraucht. Das mit dem Pasten d\u00c3\u00bcrfte in den meisten F\u00c3\u00a4llen zutreffen\n Ah, ich glaube ich hatte das Tutorial falsch verstanden: \"Im Shebang muss ein absoluter oder relativer Pfad angegeben werden, da die $PATH-Umgebungsvariable nicht beachtet wird.\" Damit ist wohl gemeint, dass PATH nur in der Shebang ignoriert wird, im Rest des Scripts ist PATH aber ganz normal da, richtig?\n Ja.\n Nochmal zu unset: Wie werden denn Variablen gescopet? Sind alle Variablen nach Ende des Scripts wieder weg, oder bleiben die alle da? Ich meine, man kann ja environment variablen per script setzen, bedeutet das, dass man alle Hilfs-Variablen am Ende des Scripts mit unset aufraeumen sollte?\n Im Tutorial steht auch noch, dass mir ein Schurke einen \"sudo\"-Befehl in ~/bin legen koennte, der mein Passwort klaut. Ohne Kommentar ist das nicht sonderlich hilfreich, es scheint auch komplett unabhaengig davon zu sein, dass ich gerade Shellscript-Schreiben lerne. Was will mir dieser Sicherheits-Hinweis sagen?\n Oder ist die Botschaft \"Schreib keine Shell-Scripte die von anderen dazu benutzt werden koennen, beliebige Dateien in dein Home zu legen, sonst legen sie dir ein sudo in dein bin und klauen dein Passwort!\"?\n das ist nur als hinweis in wie weit man das ausreizen k\u00c3\u00b6nnte\n das heisst: f\u00c3\u00bchr nicht alles blind aus, von dem du nicht wei\u00c3\u009ft was es macht\n RedNifre: Geh mal in dein ~/bin, mach touch sudo; chmod +x sudo und schau danach, was ein \"which sudo\" sagt.\n Dein lokales bin im home wird meistens vor dem System-Pfad genommen.\n RedNifre: http://fpaste.org/250713/85281801/\n ach fuck, kurse w\u00c3\u00a4hlen muss ich heute auch noch.\n \u00c3\u00a4hm, echan\n Dann ist da noch ein Hinweis das scripte in /usr/local/bin am besten root gehoeren wegen sicherheit... die scripte kann jeder ausfuehren, wenn sie root gehoeren kann sie aber niemand editieren... was waere denn, wenn so ein script meinem eigenen user gehoeren wuerde? dann koennten es andere user ja trotzdem nicht editieren, richtig? besteht das sicherheitsproblem darin, dass es leichter ist, meinen normalen account zu knacken als root zu knacken?\n Das Sicherheitsproblem besteht darin, dass du fremde Skripte nicht einfach ausf\u00c3\u00bchren und nutzen solltest.\n Weil sie am Paketmanagement vorbei b\u00c3\u00b6se Sachen machen k\u00c3\u00b6nnen. \n na, moment... wenn ich fremde scripte in /usr/local/bin lege wird es ja eher schlimmer wenn sie dann auch noch root gehoeren, oder?\n Ich dachte der Hinweis bezog sich auf eigene Scripte, also eher \"ich moechte allen usern etwas zur verfuegung stellen, deswegen lege ich ein script in /usr/local/bin\"?\n jo\n Hm, wie kann ich \"wpa_supplicant: nl80211: send_and_recv->nl_recvmsgs failed: -33\" einordnen?\n \"WLAN geht nicht.\"\n ja, das ist mir auch aufgefallen, nachdem der rechner nicht mehr im netz erreichbar war :D\n Meiner Erfahrung nach sind WLAN-Probleme immer extrem furchtbar und brauchen Stunden um sie zu beheben. Es ist auch jedesmal ein anderes Problem... meine dauerhafte Loesung war, beim Kauf einer neuen WLAN-Karte darauf zu achten, dass sie als Linux-Kompatibel gilt...\n Wenn du Geld hast kannst du eine andere WLAN-Karte kaufen, wenn du Zeit hast kannst du stundenlang herumprobieren und wenn du weder noch hast dann kannst du dein Android-Smartphone per USB-Tethering anschliessen... Sorry falls ich etwas negativ wirke :/\n hm, k\u00c3\u00b6nnte auf ein kernel-problem hindeuten. andere berichteten, dass es nach wechsel die probleme nicht mehr da waren, wobei die eine realtek verwenden und regelm\u00c3\u00a4\u00c3\u009fig discos haben/hatten. ich verwende jedoch hier eine intel, und der rechner l\u00c3\u00a4uft schon einige tage, ohne dass ich diesbez\u00c3\u00bcglich probleme feststellen konnte\n Hallo zusammen. Ich br\u00c3\u00a4uchte einen Tip zur VirtualBox in dem ich Windows 7 (voll funktionsf\u00c3\u00a4hig)installiert habe. Ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte dar\u00c3\u00bcber das Garmin N\u00c3\u00bcvi updaten. Das Garmin Programm ist schon installiert und w\u00c3\u00bcrde an sich auch funktionieren. Mein Problem ist dass ich das erkannte N\u00c3\u00bcvi das am USB h\u00c3\u00a4ngt nicht durchleiten kann zur VB. Hier in meinem System wird es \u00c3\u00bcber den Ger\u00c3\u00a4teerkenner gut erkannt. Hat jemand ne Ahnung wie ic\n \u00c3\u009cber die Filterfunktion (bei USB in der VB) wird das dingens leider auch nicht erkannt, Grund:? \n \u00c3\u00bcber einen guten Tip w\u00c3\u00a4re ich echt dankbar.\n garmini: Falls das von deinem Linux gemountet wird, kannst du das nicht weiter durchreichen.\n Du musst das also erst unmounten (Das geht \u00c3\u00bcber den Fileexplorer) und dann mal gucken, ob du das da unten rechts bei der vbox durchleiten kannst.\n achso. ich hab immer extra geschaut dass das eingebunden ist.\n wenn ich den \"sicher zum entfernen\" raushaue m\u00c3\u00bcsste das gehen?\n ich m\u00c3\u00bcsste das \u00c3\u00bcber die Filterfunktion beim USB Konfigurationsbereich in der Vbox machen. Dort wird das ja nicht erkannt. Wie unmounte ich denn dieses Garmin ger\u00c3\u00a4t eigentlch?\n ich meine \"sicher entfernen\" und ich sehe es aber immer noch\n Ja, ehm\u00e2\u0080\u00a6 Das sicher entfernen schmei\u00c3\u009ft das ganz raus, hatte ich vergessen.\n Mit umount kannste das auf der Konsole entfernen.\n oh weh.... :)\n Und vielleicht musst du noch in der Gruppe vboxusers sein, daran kanns auch immer mal h\u00c3\u00a4ngen.\n mal schaun\n http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1712447\n danke dir\n So, ich habe jetzt bash scripts einigermassen verstanden (um ein legacy projekt zu verstehen). Haben bash-scripts einen Vorteil gegenueber anderen Scripts, zum Beispiel Ruby?\n ja\n Also, mein Verstaendnis aus dem historischen Kontext ist, dass man zu Beginn der Unix-Zeit die serioesen Programme in C und den einfachen Kleinkram in Bash geschrieben hat. Wann ist BashScript heute die richtige Wahl?\n bash nutzt man, weil plain sh doch n bissl anstrengend ist\n naja, ich meinte warum benutzt man nicht so etwas wie Ruby oder sonstige Mainstream-Sprachen?\n Vielleicht habe ich hier auch einen etwas voreingenommenen Blick, da ich Software-Entwickler bin...\n ...ist BashScript eher fuer Admin gedacht, die ausser BashScripts normalerweise nichts programmieren?\n naja bash ist halt schon hart im mainstream. so ist es ja nicht. du hast auch ueberall ne bash oder wenigstens sh\n son ruby interpreter ist eher selter\n Hm. Vermutlich ist es tatsaechlich nur eine Sache der Gewohnheit. Bzw. wenn man normalerweise C schreibt und jetzt ne Kleinigkeit automatisieren will ist es vermutlich einfacher, schnell bash zu lernen als ruby...\n RedNifre: Bash ist immer dann die richtige Wahl, wenn man nicht Wochen mit der Entwickling eines Dreizeilers verschwenden will.\n bekks Beispiel?\n Automatisches Erstellen von Snapshots von virtuellen Maschinen unter Virtualbox f\u00c3\u00bcr alle User, die virtuelle Maschinen betreiben.\n benutzt man aus C heraus coreutils?\n auja, ich schreib mir f\u00c3\u00bcr die stapelverarbeitung von bildern jetzt immer was in python\n bekks, kannst du den code von deinem beispiel pasten?\n RedNifre: Wozu, es ist doch nur ein Beispiel :)\n Na, ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde gerne ein Beispiel f\u00c3\u00bcr ein Bash-Script sehen, das in Ruby wesentlich umst\u00c3\u00a4ndlicher w\u00c3\u00a4re, damit ich ein Gef\u00c3\u00bchl daf\u00c3\u00bcr bekomme, was der beste Einsatzort f\u00c3\u00bcr bash ist :)\n Von Ruby hab ich keine Ahnung, du hast danach gefragt, warum bash toller als C ist :)\n nee\n 0802 192148 < RedNifre> Also, mein Verstaendnis aus dem historischen Kontext ist, dass man zu Beginn der Unix-Zeit die serioesen Programme in C und den einfachen Kleinkram in Bash geschrieben hat. Wann ist BashScript heute die richtige Wahl?\n Ich habe gefragt, wann bash toller als Ruby oder andere Script-Sprachen ist :)\n Das hast du gefragt.\n Genau.\n Okay, am besten klarifiziere ich das.\n Genau. Du hast gefragt, warum Bash toller als C ist. Ist deiner Frage taucht nur C und bash auf.\n Ich habe es so verstanden, dass man FR\u00c3\u009cHER die seri\u00c3\u00b6sen gro\u00c3\u009fen Dinge in C und die kleinen einfachen in bash geschrieben hat. Heute gibt es aber viele neuere Programmiersprachen so dass man zum Beispiel die gro\u00c3\u009fen Dinge in Erlang und die kleinen in Ruby schreiben kann... deswegen ist meine Frage eher, ob bash einen handfesten Vorteil gegen\u00c3\u00bcber anderen Script-Sprachen hat, oder ob es eher so ist wie mit C, was ja keinen inh\u00c3\u00a4renten Vorteil gegen\u00c3\u00bcb\n er anderen seri\u00c3\u00b6sen Sprachen hat. So ungef\u00c3\u00a4hr...\n Bash hat den handfesten Vorteil fast \u00c3\u00bcberall verf\u00c3\u00bcgbar zu sein.\n Gibt es f\u00c3\u00bcr dich eine Obergrenze wie komplex ein Bash-Script werden darf?\n Nein.\n Du w\u00c3\u00bcrdest also komplette Applikations-Server in bash schreiben?\n Die allermeisten Scripte schreibt man nicht komplett an einem St\u00c3\u00bcck, sondern sie entwickeln sich. So wie jede andere Software auch.\n Ich habe bisher noch nie einen Applikationsserver in bash gesehen.\n okay, danke f\u00c3\u00bcr die Einsichten.\n moin\n bekks: vermutlich hat selbst das schon einer versucht\n sonotos: Wahrscheinlich :)\n Jemand Zeit f\u00c3\u00bcr Anf\u00c3\u00a4ngerberatung f\u00c3\u00bcr Netzwerkproblemchen? So oder so schon danke.\n<_moep_> schmei\u00c3\u009f doch mal in den raum, was nicht geht\n Okey mit Gefahr der Blamage\n Also ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte (nur) von einem Ubuntu-PC auf einen Win7-pC zu greifen\n<_moep_> mit?\n Die Rechner sind mit Ethernet verbunden und erkennen einander gruns\u00c3\u00a4tzlich.\n<_moep_> also welchem protokoll/welcher einsatzzweck\n Nur Dateaustausch\n Lese / Schreibzugriff\n<_moep_> dann instappier winscp auf deinem windows rechner\n<_moep_> *installier\n<_moep_> und openssh auf deinem linuxrechner\n Okay! Schon mal danke. Ist es nicht etwas mit Kano9nen auf Spatzen geschossen?\n<_moep_> nein, eigentlich das einfachste\n Okay!!\n<_moep_> klar kannst du auch auf einem von beiden rechnern nen fileserver installieren und dann mittels ftp-client daten austauschen\n<_moep_> aber das einrichten ist aufw\u00c3\u00a4ndiger, als bei nem openssh server\n was denn, 'ne einfache windows-freigabe tuts daf\u00c3\u00bcr nicht?\n jo zun\u00c3\u00a4chst t\u00c3\u00a4te eis eigentlich eine windows-freigabe aber die krieg ich nicht hin\n openssh ist sicher war feines, aber wenn man nie (!) zuvor 2 pcs verbunden hat?\n ich habe jetzt das openssh-paket trotzdem mal auf den rechner geknallt, frisst ja wohl kein heu\n<_moep_> immer wenn mittels winscp drauf greifst\n<_moep_> ist es einfach\n<_moep_> ist ja alles grafisch\n gut ich mach jetzt winscp auf den win-rechner\n oder filezilla das kann auch sftp\n oder kann winscp das auch?\n ja kann sftp. *h\u00c3\u00bcstel* wie geht es jetzt weiter?\n du verbindest dich nun mit dem ubuntu rechner?\n also der Win-Rechner sieht den Ubuntu-Rechner nicht (eigentlich korrekter: er sieht zumindest die ubuntuartigen Partitionen nicht)\n haeh?\n k\u00c3\u00b6nnte hier das gewusel sein? aber in nautilus vom ubuntu-rechner ist der win-rechner schon sichtbar\n ist wie ich sagte, muss ich was konfigurieren?\n das mit dem winscp wird dir aber nichts bringen wenn du vom ubuntu rechner auf den windows rechner zufgreifen willst\n das w\u00c3\u00a4r ja nur andersherum\n ich wuerde einfach auf dem windows rechner eine freigabe erstellen\n dann kannst du die einfach in nautilus \u00c3\u00b6ffnen\n ja diese Freigabe gibt es ja schon. ABER: Ich kann auf nichts Sinnvolles zugreifen!\n Guten Abend. Versuche mit openshot oder kdenlive eine Video zu schneiden. Geht eigentlich ganz gut. Jedoch hab ich ein problem. M\u00c3\u00b6chte ab einer bestimmten Position das Video langsamer abspielen. Aber wenn ich das entsprechend einstelle, bekomme ich nur noch fragmente in den ersten sekunden angezeigt. jemand eine Idee?\n Ja richtig, es geht im Moment um Zugriff von Ubuntu nach Windows.\n was passiert denn wenn du auf den rechner gehts in nautilus?\n Dann geht noch alles gut: Es erscheinen (unter Windows) frei gegebene Verzeichnisse. Aber die kann ich leider nicht \u00c3\u00b6ffnen.\n Ich h\u00c3\u00a4tte keine Berechtigung zum Einh\u00c3\u00a4ngen, sagt Nautilus.\n Bei ADMIN$ will er zudem einen Benutzername und ein Passwort. Die von den Systemen gehen aber nicht Andere habe ich nie vergeben.\n dreamon, k\u00c3\u00b6nnte man damit nicht besser direkt in einen channel f\u00c3\u00bcr die jeweiligen programm gehen?\n dreamon, also zumindest sp\u00c3\u00a4testens dann, wenn hier keiner wei\u00c3\u009f, wie er dir helfen kann =D\n Xeno, normalerweise d\u00c3\u00bcrfte die freigabe benutzernamen und passwort des windowsbenutzers ben\u00c3\u00b6tigen\n oder eben gar keine\n mrkramps, Die Channels sind alle mehr als schweigsam. :(\n dreamon, hatte ich bef\u00c3\u00bcrchtet :/\n dreamon, vielleicht einfach den abschnitt ausschneiden, exportieren und mit einer anderen software verlangsamen?\n kannst den dann ja sp\u00c3\u00a4ter wieder in dein projekt einf\u00c3\u00bcgen\n mrkramps: Genau das hielt ich auch f\u00c3\u00bcr das weitaus Logischste. Aber es geht leider nicht. Wirklich nicht.\n siehst du die freigaben denn?\n und welche einstellungen hast du f\u00c3\u00bcr die vorgenommen auf dem windows rechner?\n Ja, ich sehe die freigegeben Verzeichnisse. Verzeichnisse, die unter Win public sind, kann ich zudem auch \u00c3\u00b6ffnen.\n Xeno, aber?\n auf dem Windows-Rechner habe ich radikale Freigaben gesetzt (weil ja nicht ging), also Schreibzugriff f\u00c3\u00bcr whoever.\n @mrkramps: Aber ich kann die nicht-public nicht \u00c3\u00b6ffnen (nur aber sehen)\n Xeno, hast du denn mal in die rechte f\u00c3\u00bcr die nicht \u00c3\u00b6ffentlichen freigaben geschaut?\n Muss am eventuell alles aufm Win-Rechner unter public stellen? Kommt mir auch recht komisch vor \n nein, aber auch unter windows muss das mit den benutzern und rechten passen\n Xeno, hast du zuf\u00c3\u00a4llig noch ein weiteres ger\u00c3\u00a4t mit windows, mac/ios oder android zum gegentesten?\n Ja, ich habe in der Not dann die ganze fragliche Win-Partition freigegeben mit Vollzugriff\n wie genau hast du die freigabe eingerichtet?\n Ja Smartphone mit Android\n @mgloisch: Ich habe gar nichts (REIN nichts) kondiguriert. Ich habe nur das Ethernet-Kabel eingesteckt. Dann erkannte Ubuntu (Nautilus) schon den Rechner.\n Xeno, er meint auf deinem windows system\n normal sollte er beim verbinden nach nem benutzername und passwort fragen\n ausser die freigaben sind irgendwie \u00c3\u00b6ffentlich oder so\n ah ok: Zuerst gar nichts gemacht auf Win-Rechner, dann FReigaben immer erh\u00c3\u00b6ht bis Maximum (ganze Partition Vollzugriff)\n hat er von sich aus nicht\n hm bei mir geht das super\n Im bereich \"Netzwerk\" (ganz unten) von Nautilus tauchten dann einfach pl\u00c3\u00b6tzlich Sachen (der ahndere PC) auf.\n :( Ich habe das Gef\u00c3\u00bchl, ich sei eigentlich ganz nahe dran, aber es tut nicht.\n also bei mir geht das super\n ich hab auf windows die freigaben freigegeben fuer den user am windows system\n nautilus fragt mich dann beim verbinden nach benutzer und passwort\n Hm, wie genau hast Du unter Win freigegeben? Ich im Explorer per Rechtsklick und dann so Freigabe und so. War da was falsch bei mir?\n nee genau so\n Hmm.... Hast Du nur einzelne Ordner freigegeben, oder eine ganze Partition?\n ich hab nur das freigegeben was ich brauchte\n Ja wollte ich ja auch so\n Mache das mal r\u00c3\u00bcckg\u00c3\u00a4ngig auf Freigabe nur von was ich will\n JUHUU geht!!\n fragt mich nicht warum\n Vermutung: Ganze Partition freigeben geht nicht\n vielleicht wegen Sicherheit\n er fragt mich aber nichts nach Passwort\n \u00c3\u00b6ffnet einfach\n schon komisch das alles \n @mglisch, @mrkramps: Jedenfalls herzlichen Dank!\n ich habe ein riesig gro\u00c3\u009fes problem: nach der neuinstallation fiel mir auf, dass ich die keepass datei, in der alle passw\u00c3\u00b6rter lagen warum auch immer nicht gesichert hatte! jetzt kann ich nicht mehr auf meine luks verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselten festplatte zugreifen, hat jemand eine idee was ich tun kann???\n tjo, denn sind die daten wohl weg\n kann man versuchen per brute force passw\u00c3\u00b6rter an luks zu testen?\n ist ja nicht sinn der sache, dass man mal eben so das passwort \u00c3\u00a4ndern oder aufheben kann\n man kann sich - soweit ich wei\u00c3\u009f - anzahl und l\u00c3\u00a4nge der registrierten passw\u00c3\u00b6rter ausgeben lassen\n kannst du mir bitte sagen wie? die daten sind SEHR wichtig!\n zy3pD, https://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/luks-passwort-vergessen/\n thx\n ist es vielleicht auch m\u00c3\u00b6glich auf dem pc wo ich jetzt das system neu installiert habe die keepass datei wiederherzustellen?\n zy3pD, vielleicht, siehe https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/datenrettung\n warum auch ein backup der keepass-datei anlegen!?\n ich hatte mal 5 backups dieser datei, hatte :(\n mrkramps, kannst du mit diesen daten etwas anfangen? http://paste.ubuntu.com/11989355/\n hast du bei der neuinstallation einfach \u00c3\u00bcber die alten partitionen dr\u00c3\u00bcber installiert?\n ich habe per gparted den mbr gel\u00c3\u00b6scht und dann neuinstallieren lassen, die alte installation war aber auch luks vershcl\u00c3\u00bcsselt :(((\n zy3pD, der ausgabe nach d\u00c3\u00bcrftest du ein passwort vergeben haben\n kannst du mir auch sagen wie lang es war?\n nein, weil ich keine ahnung habe wie das geht \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 ich habe nur mal \"irgendwo\" gelesen, dass es _angeblich_ m\u00c3\u00b6glich sein soll\n ok, schade. bei nur mbr l\u00c3\u00b6schen und neuinstallieren h\u00c3\u00a4tte man n\u00c3\u00a4mlich mit photorec oder \u00c3\u00a4hnlichem probieren k\u00c3\u00b6nnen, ob man etwas aus dem noch nicht \u00c3\u00bcberschriebenen speiche dateien wiederherzustellen\n ich habe auch noch einen anderen pc hier stehen wo mal ubuntu mate drauf lief, wo glaub ich die keepass datei drauf war und jetzt ein unverschl\u00c3\u00bcsseltes ubuntu drauf ist, hab ich da evtl eine chance???\n gutes deutsch, aber der inhalt kam wohl r\u00c3\u00bcber ;)\n zy3pD, kann ich nicht beurteilen\n du solltest jetzt mal scharf nachdenken, ob dir das PW nicht doch noch einf\u00c3\u00a4llt und ob nicht irgendwo auf einem externen speichermedium deine keepass-datei noch rumgammelt\n zy3pD, ich w\u00c3\u00bcrds mal probieren, kost ja nix. image von der platte erstellen, und darauf dann photorec und konsorten drauf los lassen\n ich hab schon alle sticks mehrfach raufgeguckt aber da war nichts, warum auch immer, jetzt lasse ich gerade testdisk \u00c3\u00bcber einen laufen\n zy3pD, photorec (teil von testdisk) hat auf usb-sticks tats\u00c3\u00a4chlich gute chancen noch was auszugraben\n daten von flash-speichermedien sind da technischbedingt etwas einfacher wiederherzustellen\n macht es einen unterschied, ob ich testdisk oder photorec nehme?\n testdisk stellt partitionen bzw. deren layout wieder her\n photorec stellt dateien wieder her\n testdisk hat 2 eintr\u00c3\u00a4ge gefunden die linux hei\u00c3\u009fen aber da hat er keine dateien gefunden\n jo, testdisk stellt auch keine dateien wieder her, sondern partitionen ;)\n ich hatte letztens gute ergebnisse mit extundelete. ging auch echt fix\n ok und wie? sry ich dreh gleich durch\n extundelete installieren\n danach: extundelete /dev/sda4 --restore-all\n sda nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich entsprechend anpassen\n ok, gleich kann ich apt wieder benutzen\n geht das auch wenn der stick vorher ntfs war?\n das tool ist explizit f\u00c3\u00bcrs ext dateisystem\n also ist extundelete hier das falsche werkzeug\n womit wir wieder bei photorec w\u00c3\u00a4ren\n wenn der stick zum zeitpunkt als eventuell die datei drauf war, ntfs hatte, h\u00c3\u00a4tte ich keine gro\u00c3\u009fe hoffnungen, dass es die datei findet\n photorec braucht noch 15min\n am besten sollte man auch immer auf einem image mit photorec arbeiten\n ver\u00c3\u00a4ndert photorec den stick oder wieso???\n sollte nicht, aber so kannst du es ausschlie\u00c3\u009fen. vielleicht ist er ja gemoutet und irgendwas anderes legt was drauf ab, etc. ist g\u00c3\u00a4ngige praxis nicht auf der quelle zu arbeiten\n ok, jetzt ist f\u00c3\u00bcr den stick zu sp\u00c3\u00a4t\n keepass2 format ist .kdbx oder?\n hallo, ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte meine Ubunturechner per unison mit meinem nas synchronisieren. Ich gehe dabei nach folgender Anleitung vor :http://www.multigesture.net/articles/how-to-compile-unison-for-a-synology-ds212/ klappt auch alles wunderbar, bis zu letzten Punkt: sudo cp unison /opt/bin da bekomme ich die Meldung can't stat 'unison': No such file or directory Ich glaube die L\u00c3\u00b6sung ist ganz einfach oder?\n zy3pD, jau \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 sollte passen die endung\n kirsten, der fehler sagt, die datei gibt es in dem verzeichnis, wo du ihn ausf\u00c3\u00bchrst nicht\n kirsten, die installation von unison auf dem synology nas hat nichts mit ubuntu zu tun\n ja, aber ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte ja mit dem ubunturechner syncen, deshalb dachte ich, frag ich hier mal...\n muss bei extundelete das vorher ausgeh\u00c3\u00a4ngt werden?\n kirsten, von wo willst du daten wohin synchen?\n w\u00c3\u00bcrde es helfen, wenn ich mit mkdir unison das Verzeichnis erstelle?\n kirsten: Wie gesagt meckert die scp, dass unison nicht gefunden wird, also bei Deinem Befehl die Quelldatei.\n von meinem Ubuntu Laptop zu meinem Synology nas\n zy3pD, w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich machen\n ah, scheisse!\n me 2\n PEBCAK erkannt & behoben? :P\n zy3pD, extundelete is designed to undelete files from an unmounted partition to a separate (mounted) partition\n von der projektseite\n ok thx\n sdc oder sdc1 f\u00c3\u00bcr extundelete?\n zy3pD, steht da devince oder partition?\n *device\n also sdc1\n extundelete: Bad magic number in super-block when trying to open filesystem /dev/sdc1\n wie fixe ich das nun wieder?\n dann ist das wohl kein ext dateisystem\n ja, jetzt ist es ntfs aber davor war es ext4\n damit kann extundelete nix anfangen\n zy3pD, extundelete funktioniert nur auf ext3/4\n ok\n du willst auch weiterhin mit photorec arbeiten\n genau. extundelete war nur eine fixe idee, f\u00c3\u00bcr den fall es handelt sich um ein unverschl\u00c3\u00bcsseltes ext-dateisystem\n bei einem anderen stick hat extundelete jetzt 2 gzip archive entpackt, aber file-roller kann sie nicht \u00c3\u00b6ffnen???\n fehlermeldung?\n Archivtyp wird nicht unterst\u00c3\u00bctzt\n vielleicht verwendet das dateiformat gzip komprimierung\n gzip ist schon die neueste Version.\n zy3pD, keepass2 verwendet gzip f\u00c3\u00bcr die komprimierung der datenbankdatei \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 also mal die dateiendung umbenennen in .kdbx\n nein leider nciht\n k\u00c3\u00b6nnte nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich auch sein, dass das wiederhergestellte von extundelete nicht ganz v\u00c3\u00b6llst\u00c3\u00a4ndig ist und sich deswegen nicht \u00c3\u00b6ffnen l\u00c3\u00a4sst\n kann ja mal mit file gucken, was es sein soll\n dann bringt es mir aber auch nichts\n file.130413: gzip compressed data, from FAT filesystem (MS-DOS, OS/2, NT)\n sieht zumindest nach einem gzip header aus :)\n wiederherstellungstool schaffen oft keine hunderprozentige wiederherstellung. egal welches tool man nimmt\n ich brauche nur diese 1 datei\n ich bin so ein idiot\n viel erfolg noch. vielleicht findet photorec ja was brauchbares\n kann man photorec auf die hdd anwenden auf der gerade das system l\u00c3\u00a4uft, macht das sinn?\n zy3pD, wenn du noch usb-sticks zur auswahl hast, dann sind die eher interessant\n nein leider nciht\n dann mit einem live system photorec \u00c3\u00bcber diese festplatte jagen \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 das d\u00c3\u00bcrfte allerdings eine weile dauern und hat weniger erfolgsaussichten\n na toll, jetzt ist die live cd abgeschmiert\n libgmp-dev : H\u00c3\u00a4ngt ab von: libgmp10 (= 2:5.1.3+dfsg-1ubuntu1) aber 2:6.0.0+dfsg-6~ppa1 soll installiert werden\n E: Probleme k\u00c3\u00b6nnen nicht korrigiert werden, Sie haben zur\u00c3\u00bcckgehaltene defekte Pakete\n da ist nen PPA, was mist ist\n wie kann ich das fixen?\n update funxt\n apt-cache policy libgmp10 << in einen pastebin bitte\n https://paste.xinu.at/rWRz3p/\n dann bitte ein \"ls -al /etc/apt/sources.list.d/\"\n https://paste.xinu.at/UNC5vJ/\n also eigentlich sollte das das PPA anzeigen, bei dir zeigts aber nur /var/lib/dpkg an, hast du da pakete per hand installiert?\n welches?\n das ist auf jeden fall aus dem n-muench-vlc2 PPA. aber nochmal die frage: hast du das per hand per paket installiert?\n nee\n ich wollte eigentlich ghc installieren\n kakashiAL, wenn das dev-paket nicht im ppa ist, dann sieht es schlecht aus\n nutze \"ppa-purge\" um das n-muench PPA zu entfernen.\n https://paste.xinu.at/9XF/\n versteh nicht wieso ich diesen fehler bekommen\n kakashiAL: du hast in dein system zig PPAs reingekloppt. die erneuern einige pakete. aber jetzt kann es zu problemen kommen, wenn nun eben orginal ubuntu pakete gewisse versionen von paketen wollen, die deine PPAs aber \u00c3\u00bcberschrieben haben.\n scheint \u00c3\u00bcbrigens eh so, dass das paket was du da aus dem PPA installiert hast nicht mehr im PPA vorkommt. daher auch die meldung von apt-cache policy, dass es keinem PPA zugeordnet ist.\n wie kann das fixe?:(\n erstmal sollte mein sein system nicht wahllos mit PPAs zum\u00c3\u00bcllen.\n das kann jetzt sein, dass das einen rattenschwanz an fehlern nach sich zieht.\n jo\n mach mal ein \"sudo apt-get install --reinstall libgmp10\"\n Erneute Installation von libgmp10 ist nicht m\u00c3\u00b6glich,\n 0 Feb 10 19:22 n-muench-vlc2-trusty.list\n kann es sein, dass du das PPA schon \"gel\u00c3\u00b6scht\" hattest?\n du musst es erst deinstallieren, oder bspw. in synaptic die version festlegen\n kil: nee\n ich deinstalliere und installire mal libgmp\n kakashiAL: zum l\u00c3\u00b6schen von PPAs bitte immer das \"ppa-purge\" command verwenden. sonst bleiben die PPA pakete installiert und machen wie jetzt probleme\n wemm ich libgmp10 l\u00c3\u00b6schen will, dann m\u00c3\u00bcsste ich 553mb programme deinstallieren\n mrkramps, ring0 danke erstmal soweit, ich habe jetzt alle dateien wiederhergestellt die sich noch irgendwie auf irgendwelchen sticks befunde haben, hoffnung das die datei dabei ist habe ich aber keine :(\n zy3pD, ich dr\u00c3\u00bcck dir die daumen\n und in zukunft: mehr backups!\n kakashiAL: mach mal ein \"sudo apt-get install libgmp10=2:5.1.3+dfsg-1ubuntu1\n was f\u00c3\u00bcr eine zukunft? ohne das habe ich nicht mal eine vergangenheit\n aber ja du hast recht\n kil: Die folgenden Pakete werden ENTFERNT:\n ffmpeg iputils-ping libav-tools libavdevice56 libavfilter5 libavformat56\n libgnutls-deb0-28 libgnutls-openssl27 ubuntu-minimal vlc vlc-nox\n vlc-plugin-notify vlc-plugin-samba\n kakashiAL: bei welchem befehl?\n sudo apt-get install libgmp10=2:5.1.3+dfsg-1ubuntu1\n ja herzlichen gl\u00c3\u00bcckwunsch, da schl\u00c3\u00a4gt deine PPA h\u00c3\u00b6lle zu\n deine ganzen vlc PPAs scheinen da probleme mit zu haben.\n ganz im ernst w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich die entfernen und danach gucken, dass du die wieder aus dem nicht PPA repo installierst\n k1l: danke\n scheint alles okay zu sein\n moin\n gibt es den deutschen offtopic noch?\n !ot\n #ubuntu-de-offtopic\n aber schein ihn eh nicht mehr zu interessieren\n#ubuntu-de 2016-08-01\n hallo ich versuche bei ubuntu 14.04 den DNS server zu \u00c3\u00a4ndern, leider funktioniert das noch nicht. Habe den DNS server in /etc/network/interfaces.d/eth0.cfg unter \"dns-nameservers\" eingetragen. Nach einem neustart wird jedoch immer noch das gateway (10.0.0.1) f\u00c3\u00bcr DNS aufl\u00c3\u00b6sungen angefragt. \n (14.04 server)\n moin\n wie kann ich ein bash script als anderer user ausf\u00c3\u00bchren ohne passwortnachfrage?\n angenommen ich will vom webserver aus als anderer user einen gpg-key generieren\n pLaTo0n: Du kannst sudo so konfigurieren, dass es f\u00c3\u00bcr bestimme User und bestimmte Befehle kein Passwort verlangt\n Siehe (z.B.) https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/sudo/Konfiguration/\n der webserver (www-data) soll halt die befehle als user \"platoon\" ausf\u00c3\u00bchren\n sodass z.B. auch die gpg keys im home von platoon landen\n habs bisher geschafft das bash script einfach mit sudo auszuf\u00c3\u00bchren, aber dann ist root der owner von allen dateien die dabei erzeugt werden\n Daf\u00c3\u00bcr gibt's -u\n jo thx dadrc, so funzt das\n rngd muss ich vorher als root aufrufen, dann gpg --gen-key mit \"sudo -u platoon\"\n so gehts\n ist es sicherheitstechnisch vertretbar www-data in sudoers auf NOPASSWD:ALL zu setzen?\n der webserver soll nicht von au\u00c3\u009fen erreichbar sein, nur im lokalen netz\n halte ich nicht f\u00c3\u00bcr sinnvoll\n ich schreibe halt sowas wie ne web gui f\u00c3\u00bcr konsolenbefehle\n was kann schon schiefgehen :)\n quasi ein einrichtungsassistent f\u00c3\u00bcr diverse konsolenanwendungen\n www-data ist im Zweifelsfall der erste Nutzer, an den jemand rankommt, der die Kiste aufmacht\n pLaTo0n: ist in etwa so wie den hausschl\u00c3\u00bcssel direkt von aussen in die t\u00c3\u00bcr zu stecken. sollte ja nicht von aussen erreichbar sein, da ist noch das gartentor davor.\n da brauche ich schon relativ umfangreiche rechte\n ziel ist es halt, dass der endbenutzer nix mehr in der konsole machen muss\n deshalb schreib ich halt php scripte, die configs ausf\u00c3\u00bcllen, konsolenbefehle ausf\u00c3\u00bchren usw.\n nein, dein ziel ist gerade die arbeit zu vermeiden diese rechte sauber rauszusuchen und festzulegen.\n naja deshalb frag ich ja :)\n kurzform: schlechte idee.\n NOPASSWD:/pfad/zum/bashcript reicht anscheinend nicht\n vor allem ists mal wieder das rad neu erfunden. es gibt puppet, es gibt chef, etc.\n riehct f\u00c3\u00bcr mich danach als ob du eigentlich nur ein lokales frontend daf\u00c3\u00bcr brauchst.\n genau\n und die haben das mit der rechteverwaltung n\u00c3\u00a4mlich schon drauf, und f\u00c3\u00bcr die meisten sachen auch schon gepr\u00c3\u00bcfte skripte, die nicht zum 100.000sten mal wieder unsanitized user input et.c. durchlassen\n na das klingt doch gut\n werde ich mir mal anschauen :)\n dann k\u00c3\u00b6nnte ich die ben\u00c3\u00b6tigten infos per php script in ein chef recipe reinschreiben und dann ausf\u00c3\u00bchren\n hm\n thx LetoThe2nd, an sowas hab ich gar nicht gedacht :D\n pLaTo0n: immer dran denken, rad enu erfinden ist nicht gut.\n jo auf jeden fall\n hab nicht dran gedacht dass es sowas vielleicht schon geben k\u00c3\u00b6nnte :D\n Ich hab hier noch ein Ubuntu Lucid, bei dem die Paketquellen nicht mehr verf\u00c3\u00bcgbar sind. Gibt es vielleicht noch andere Quellen, von denen man noch was installieren kann?\n NTQ: ist das dein ernst?\n Ja\n ubuntu 10.04 bekommt selbst f\u00c3\u00bcr die server variante seit april 2015 gar keine updates mehr. die desktop teile schon seit 2013 nicht mehr. und du willst den ranz echt noch am internet betreiben?\n Das Ding l\u00c3\u00a4uft produktiv als Server, der seit zwei Jahren nicht mehr neugestartet wurde. Und nun ist im RAID eine Platte defekt und ich muss die Seriennummer herausfinden. Leider kann ich die smartmontools nicht installieren, weil die Quellen nicht mehr existieren. Und bevor ich das selbst kompiliere oder ein passendes Deb-Paket suche, dachte ich, es g\u00c3\u00a4be noch Quellen.\n Und ich kann an dem Zustand sonst gerade nicht viel \u00c3\u00a4ndern.\n sieh das als chance das ding auf ein aktuelles lts ubuntu hochzuziehen. dann hast du wieder f\u00c3\u00bcr 5 jahre ruhe\n wenn die kiste dann als spamschleuder fungiert und eure daten \u00c3\u00b6ffentlich im internet zu finden sind, dann sind wieder alle ganz traurig und keiner wei\u00c3\u009f wie das passieren konnte, ne?\n Ja, ich teile deine Bedenken und Vorschl\u00c3\u00a4ge, nur hab ich hier nicht das sagen. ;) Vorrangig soll erstmal die Seriennummer der Platte ermittelt werden.\n http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/\n NTQ: sorry, aber das ist unverantwortlich und einfach dumm.\n http://askubuntu.com/questions/91815/how-to-install-software-or-upgrade-from-an-old-unsupported-release\n Danke, stevieh. So kann ich wenigstens schon mal die Platte retten lassen. :)\n NTQ: Jeder user ist root auf dem Server: CVE-2016-0728\n musca: Danke\n NTQ: ach, was rede ich von lokalen Usern, jeder auf der Welt: remote code execution vulnerability in glibc CVE-2015-7547\n Noch besser :)\n Ich will den Server auch weg haben\n klar, aber konstruktiv muss man doch auch erstmal sein, nicht wahr, k1l_?\n ich bekomme genug spam von solchen kisten und botnetzwerken, dass ich da nicht konstruktiv sein kann.\n tja nun\n NTQ: 'sudo lshw -class disk | egrep \"(logical|serial|disk)\"' soll ebenfalls die Nummer ausgeben .. hier am lokalen System allerdings nicht\n nagetier: Cool, damit ging es auch.\n k1l_: Wenn's dich beruhigt: Der Server schickt keine Mails. Er kann es nicht mal. Das m\u00c3\u00bcsste man erstmal postfix oder sowas installieren. Aber gut, wenn jemand root wird, dann schafft er viel.\n NTQ: ja. ihr habt da nicht mehr alleine die kontrolle \u00c3\u00bcber den server. wie bereits gezeigt gibt es mehrere sicherheitsl\u00c3\u00bccken, die auf dme system nicht mehr gefixt werden.\n und f\u00c3\u00bcr die sicherheitsl\u00c3\u00bccken gibt es nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich bekannte anleitungen.\n und wenn das ein firmeninterner server ist?\n k1l_: Ich wei\u00c3\u009f. Nur weil bisher nichts passiert ist, muss das nicht so bleiben. Und deswegen werde ich anregen schon bald zu migrieren.\n Ich werde euch jetzt sicherlich nicht jede Kleinigkeit \u00c3\u00bcber den Server erz\u00c3\u00a4hlen. :D\n aha, also nicht firmenintern ;-)\n Ich wollte darauf hinaus, dass ihr nicht noch mehr Fragen stellen braucht. \n alles gut.\n Da wir grad schon \u00c3\u00bcber Server reden. Wie macht ihr Backups? Ich nutze momentan verschiedene Ans\u00c3\u00a4tze bei externen und internen Servern. Einmal BackupPC und einmal duplicity bzw. duply. Bei virtuellen werden Snapshots gemacht. Habt ihr Vorlieben?\n duplicity find ich sehr schick. \n Hi, ich hab ein Problem und zwar kann ich keine Softwareupdates machen, weil abh\u00c3\u00a4ngigkeiten nicht erf\u00c3\u00bcllt sind, wenn ich aber apt-get -f mache bricht der immer ab, mit dem Kommentar meine Festplatte sei zu voll.\n und wo sollen wir dir da helfen?\n jetzt ist die Frage wie kriege ich die leer genug oder warum reichen ihm die 360 mb die ich noch habe nicht aus\n ich habe f\u00c3\u00bcr den home ordner eine sepereate partition\n sprich da l\u00c3\u00b6schen nutzt nix\n logs? Caches?\n wo wie?\n was?\n <- Dau\n google\n sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get autoremove, danach nochmal den Speicherplatz \u00c3\u00bcberpr\u00c3\u00bcfen.\n geht das, wenn es nicht durchgelaufen ist?\n nein\n PJFry: lass mal \"sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade\" in einem terminal laufen und lad den gesamten output dann bei paste.ubuntu.com hoch\n ich hab bei systempflege bei ubuntuusers noch ein paar sachen gefunden, grade l\u00c3\u00a4uft nochmal n upgrade gucken obs durchl\u00c3\u00a4uft\n ich hab 15gb als systempartition, das sollte doch eig reichen oder nicht?\n ja\n aber die ausgaben im terminal sind da schon sehr genau was schief l\u00c3\u00a4uft. dann muss man weniger raten :)\n wie gesagt l\u00c3\u00a4uft grad\n k1l_ ist durchgelaufen\n nichts desto trotz, ist es doch erstaunlich warum ich nur noch so wenig speicherplatz habe\n zeig mal ein \"df -h\" und \"df -i\" in einem pastebin\n ncdu verschafft dir auch in einer Textkonsole den \u00c3\u009cberblick\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/21742739/\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/21742784/\n ncdu ist f\u00c3\u00bcr sowas sehr hilfreich\n deine inodes sind weg. du hast da viel zu viele kleine dateien auf der / partition\n hammer\n und das sagt mir was?\n mach mal ein \"dpkg -l | grep linux-headers| nc termbin.com 9999\"\n wenn die inodes der partition verbraucht sind, dann ist die platte voll, obwohl noch GB frei sind. inodes sind karteieintr\u00c3\u00a4ge, wo welche datei genau liegt. bei zu viele kleinen dateien sind die schneller weg als die GB der platte.\n http://termbin.com/w8ij\n genau, das ist der klassiker: noch von jedem kernel die alten header files da. das heisst unz\u00c3\u00a4hlig kleine dateien\n nette Sammlung\n und warum verschwinden die unloyalen geier einfach?\n mach mal bitte noch ein \"dpkg -l | grep linux-image| nc termbin.com 9999\"\n :-)\n http://termbin.com/qm56\n PJFry: inodes hei\u00c3\u009fen die Datenbl\u00c3\u00b6cke, die f\u00c3\u00bcr die Verwaltungsstrukturen des Dateisystems benutzt werden. Die werden beim Formatieren in einer bestimmten Anzahl reserviert.\n es gibt ein paket namens \"bikeshed\", da gibts ein Script namens \"purge-old-kernels\"\n PJFry: ok, es gibt da einen \"einzeiler\" der sucht alle kernel und header und schmeisst die dnan vom system. das dauert was aber dann sind nur noch die aktuellsten \u00c3\u00bcbrig.\n \"echo $(dpkg --list | grep linux-image | awk '{ print $2 }' | sort -V | sed -n '/'`uname -r`'/q;p') $(dpkg --list | grep linux-headers | awk '{ print $2 }' | sort -V | sed -n '/'\"$(uname -r | sed \"s/\\([0-9.-]*\\)-\\([^0-9]\\+\\)/\\1/\")\"'/q;p') | xargs sudo apt-get -y purge\"\n oder so\n danach dann sicherheitshalber noch ein \"sudo apt install linux-generic\" das ist das metapaket was immer zum aktuellen kernel und headers zeigt. dann passt erstmal alles\n warum sammeln die sich denn so?\n weil die nicht automatisch entfernt werden\n PJFry: weil die mit jedem kernel update neu dazu kommen und damals noch nicht automatisch entfernt wurden.\n das sollte seit diesem jahr aber eigentlich auch bei 14.04 automatisch bei neuen kernel updates passieren\n naja der Fehler ist schon stein alt, hab mich nur nicht gek\u00c3\u00bcmmert\n danke f\u00c3\u00bcr die hilfe\n 9,5 gb\n jo, da war mal ein fr\u00c3\u00bchjahrsputz f\u00c3\u00a4llig\n Ich hab auch mal so ein Skript geschrieben: https://freakscorner.de/quellcodes/skripte-fur-linux/alteste-kernels-loschen-deinstallieren/\n Mir ist vor kurzem aufgefallen, dass ich zwar Kernel 3.13-0-92 installiert habe, allerdings nur 3.13.0-24 in Grub aufgelistet und als Standard benutzt wird. Ich hab Ubuntu 14.04.4 LTS installiert. Normalerweise muss ich den Kernel doch nicht selbst in grub.cfg einf\u00c3\u00bcgen. Oder doch?\n zeig mal ein \"ls -al /boot\" in einem pastebin\n k1l_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/21763967/\n in deinem /boot ist nur der 24er\n Hm. ich hab vermutlich nur die Header installiert und nicht das Image\n linux-image-generic installieren\n quatsch\n linux-generic\n Kann das auch was mit dem LTS Enablement Stack zu tun haben? Vielleicht ist der nicht installiert oder sowas.\n 3.13 auf nem 14.04 ist kein enablement stack\n linux-generic hat wohl geholfen. Er hat jetzt auch update-grub aufrufen w\u00c3\u00a4hrend apt-get\n Mit Enablement Stack h\u00c3\u00a4tte ich vermutlich Kernel 4.2 bzw. ab August auch 4.4, oder verstehe ich das falsch?\n https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack#Kernel.2FSupport.A14.04.x_Ubuntu_Kernel_Support\n Jo\n Ich wei\u00c3\u009f nicht, ob ich den Enablement Stack aktivieren soll. Ich bin grad froh, dass meine Grafik halbwegs anst\u00c3\u00a4ndig l\u00c3\u00a4uft. Vielleicht macht es sie auch besser, aber das wei\u00c3\u009f man ja nie. Vielleicht teste ich es mal nach einem Clonen der Partition.\n so, zweiter nerviger bug in 16.04. dreck und drop im nautilus versemmelt\n https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2322588\n aha, its a feature\n Die machen doch st\u00c3\u00a4ndig alles schlimmer. Deswegen nutze ich auch nemo und Gnome Shell und nicht den Standard-Ubuntu-Unsinn.\n stevieh: das fand ich ja mega nervig :)\n NTQ: sch\u00c3\u00b6n das den ubuntu unsinn aber die gnome jungs verzapfen :) \n Ja, wie auch immer. F\u00c3\u00bcr den DAU ist das alles Ubuntu, genau wie f\u00c3\u00bcr einige alle Smartphones iPhones sind. :D\n Hi, die Nutzung von ppa's ist ja meist auf eigene Gefahr. Gibt es aber PPA's die von einer Community \u00c3\u00bcberpr\u00c3\u00bcft wurden? Hintergrund: Wenn ich ein Update von Programm xy brauche, welches noch nicht in den offiziellen Quellen ist. \n Nein\n Die PPAs werden von Community-Mitgliedern erstellt. Aber es gibt da keine Kontrollstrukturen. Vielleicht jeweils intern, aber das ist dann individuell unterschiedlich und freiwillig.\n Ich hab bei mir 28 PPAs installiert und hatte noch nie Probleme.\n 28!? da hast dann wohl mehr Gl\u00c3\u00bcck als Verstand\n Was man halt so braucht\n und mit snap wird alles noch viel sch\u00c3\u00b6ner\n Ein paar der PPAs k\u00c3\u00b6nnte ich wieder raus schmei\u00c3\u009fen, aber \u00c3\u00bcber die H\u00c3\u00a4lfte brauche ich halt.\n Was ist snap?\n Ah, neues Paketformat, stimmt.\n Hootch1: jeder kann PPAs betreiben. es liegt an dir wieviel du den personen zutraust.\n Bei mir sind es haupts\u00c3\u00a4chlich die PPAs der Entwickler der Software selbst, weil ich die neuste Version brauchte. Da, wo es keine PPAs gab, wird eben selbst kompiliert.\n ja selber kompilieren wird wohl werden :) und in einer VM. Vielen Dank erstmal\n NTQ: Paketformat klingt so optimistisch ... es ist ein Ubuntu-Appstore mit einem Client, der auf Biegen und Brechen auch in andere Distributionen hineingefriemelt wird (oder auch nicht).\n musca: das problem der abh\u00c3\u00a4ngigkeitsh\u00c3\u00b6lle haben ja mehrere projekte erkannt. gerade tobt nur der krieg, welches format sich da am schnellsten und weitesten verbreitet\n immerhin hat ubuntu mit den clickpackages als vorg\u00c3\u00a4nger schonmal getestet warum die anderen setups doch nicht so richtig taugen.\n k1l_: Ja. Leider ziehen mal wieder alle an ihrem eigenen Strang.\n leider ist nemo aber bei diesem verhalten noch schlechter\n https://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=ec2b9674b0025bcd8cd30246135962d5a77d9685\n stevieh: seh ich \u00c3\u00a4hnlich wie die beschreibung.ich habe extra nicht mehr drag&drop genutzt wegen dem feature sondern die shortcuts. eine option zum umschlaten werden sie wohl nicht einbauen\n shortcuts?\n copy&paste\n odereher cut&paste\n ahso\n mir fehlt das schon ganz sch\u00c3\u00b6n... das hab ich regelm\u00c3\u00a4ssig beim wegsortieren von Dateien benutzt.\n und dass die Soundausgabe bei jedem Bildschirmabschalten wechselt nervt auch\n stevieh: hdmi?\n<_Doktor_> Ich habe eben versucht vncserver zu installieren. Wenn ich den als Dienst starten m\u00c3\u00b6chte bekomme ich die Meldung: starting vncserver: vnserver.serviceFailed to start vncserver.service: Unit vncserver.service not found\n sash_: yep\n<_Doktor_> Kann ich mit einem VNC Server mich auch auf einen rechner remote einloggen, wenn dort keiner sitzt und die Sitzung frei gibt?\n Wenn du VNC entsprechend konfigurierst, ja.\n Und weil das immer sehr, sehr h\u00c3\u00a4sslich ist, nimmt man f\u00c3\u00bcr sowas lieber nxclient/nxserver.\n<_Doktor_> was ist das?\n<_Doktor_> ich finde nur nomaschinne\n<_Doktor_> Ist das freenx?\n freenx ist die freie Implementierung dessen, was nomachine deutlich performanter anbietet.\n<_Doktor_> gibt es da auch einen client f\u00c3\u00bcr windows?\n Von nomachine ja.\n x2go w\u00c3\u00a4re da auch noch erw\u00c3\u00a4hnenswert\n Wie kann ich meinem Ubuntu beibringen meinen fritz repeater zu nutzen anstatt der fritz box? Beide haben die selbe SSID und Funkkanal, aber der Repeater kann hier wesentlich besser empfangen werden, da er genau zwischen fritz box und Laptop h\u00c3\u00a4ngt. Trotzdem entscheiden sich Ubuntu f\u00c3\u00bcr die Box.\n Ich hab jetzt mal fest die BSSID eingestellt und das funktioniert erst mal, aber besser w\u00c3\u00a4re, wenn sich Ubuntu immer mit dem st\u00c3\u00a4rksten Sender verbinden w\u00c3\u00bcrde, nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich verbunden mit einer Hysterese. Mit dem Laptop bin ich n\u00c3\u00a4mlich manchmal auch in dem Raum, in dem die Fritzbox steht und dann m\u00c3\u00b6chte ich nicht mehr mit dem Repeater verbunden sein.\n NTQ1: das sollte eigentlich das default verhalten sein. \n woher bekomme ich die config von meinem Kernel?\n /boot/config*\n weil ich brauche eine autoconf.h oder eine auto.conf\n Das ist aber nicht die config deines kernels.\n Das sind beides Dateien aus den headers.\n ja dann brauch ich eben die -.-\n Ja dann installier die doch?\n hab ich ja eigentlich\n Und uneigentlich?\n Was ist die Ausgabe von \"uname -a\"?\n * jast_ ist gerade geflasht vom update xubuntu 14.04 auf 16.04\n und, hats weh getan?\n ne, bin immer wieder begeistert wie sich das gemausert hat\n so muss es laufen\n parallel das gejaule der windowsnutzer mit ihren letzten tagen windwos10 update in den ohren gehabt\n wird die config bei den kernel-ppa's nicht mitgeliefert?\n BlackMage: Was ist die Ausgabe von \"uname -a\"?\n poah\n bekks: das kann du dir doch schon denken...\n *kannst\n Soll ich mir jetzt denken, dass du kein Ubuntu hast?\n ne, ich schon Ubuntu\n +hab\n Aber?\n nicht nur mit dem offiziellen Kernel\n 6.04\n BlackMage: Was an der prinzipiellen Vorgehensweise die Header zu installieren jetzt nichts \u00c3\u00a4ndert.\n bekks: headers sind eigentlich installiert\n \"eigentlich\".\n es fehlt nur die conf\n Ich wiederhole mich: und uneigentlich?\n Was ist die Ausgabe von \"uname -a\"?\n bekks: ist ein 4.7.0-999-generic\n Dann sagt Dir ein sudo apt install linux-headers-$(uname -r) sicherlich, dass die Header schon installiert sind, oder?\n bekks: ja genau...\n Und was ist die genaue Fehlermeldung die du bekommst wenn du was genau tust?\n ich kann das VirtualBox dkms Modul nicht ohne die Dateien kompilieren\n Und was ist die genaue Fehlermeldung die du bekommst wenn du was genau tust?\n aber bei nvidia-367 hats auch\n funktioniert\n Da es jetzt mindestens 14 Minuten bis zu einer Antwort dauert, kann ich auch nochmal auf den Balkon gehen :)\n bekks: hier die Fehlermeldung: http://paste.ubuntu.com/21818558/\n bekks: und es hat keine 14 Minuten gedauert sondern nur 3 Minuten und 38 Sekunden\n und mir f\u00c3\u00a4llt grade auf das das VBox Module nicht wegen diversen errors kompiliert werden kann^^\n sondern?\n musca: habe ich mich falsch formuliert? ich brauche wohl noch einen Patch damit das kompiliert werden kann\n BlackMage: welches vbox hast Du da am Start?\n musca: das aktuellste\n musca: also sprich 5.1.2 r108956\n argh verdammt mod_timer_pinned ist ab der Kernel-Version 4.6.4-rt8 verschwunden\n Hello Friends\n#ubuntu-de 2016-08-02\n so ich habs hingekriegt das die VirtualBox kernel modules gebaut werden ;)\n hello Babys\n dritter \"bug\" nach update von 15.10 auf 16.04 mit ner absoluten standardm\u00c3\u00b6hre\n moin\n gibt es hier jemand der mir bei pipelight weiterhelfen kann? Ich habe es installiert und geupdatet doch funktionieren tut es irgendwie noch nicht.\n ben\u00c3\u00b6tigt man f\u00c3\u00bcr pipelight java?\n f\u00c3\u00bcr was willst du das denn nutzen?\n video on demand\n oftmals ist es einfacher den chrome zu nutzen\n netflix amazon etc\n chrome gibs nicht mehr in 32 bit und angeblich soll selbst der 64bit das nicht mehr unterst\u00c3\u00bctzen\n kann ich so aber nicht sagen da ich nur nen 32 bit linux nutze\n der chrome l\u00c3\u00a4uft mit netflix und co.\n gibts halt nicht mehr in 32 bit\n :-(\n hast du eine nur 32bit cpu?\n Intel Celeron Dual Core J1800 CPU\n die kann 64bit\n mag sein, kann ich nachtr\u00c3\u00a4glich auf 64 stellen?\n nein. musst neu installieren\n verdammt\n aber heutzutage ein 32bit OS nutzen obwohl die hardware 64bit kann ist nicht mehr zeitgem\u00c3\u00a4\u00c3\u009f\n grad frisch\n ok\n dann mach ich das mal neu\n wobei ich nen dual boot habe\n du kannst im installer die alten partitionen direkt angeben sie zu benutzen als die jeweiligen neuen.\n ok das werd ich nachher mal ausprobieren.\n hattem ich an folgende anleitung gehalten: http://www.heise.de/open/artikel/Online-Videotheken-mit-Linux-nutzen-2157416.html\n die ist 2 jahre alt. da haben die ganzen streamer schon 5 mal ihre systeme umgestellt. mit chrome geht auf jeden fall netflix.\n verdammt, hatte gehofft das es noch funzt\n dann setz ich mal neu auf nachher\n hi\n leute ich habe in fstab einen USB stick eingebunden, unter dem homeverzeichnis des benutzers. leider zeigt mir der ordner in dem der usb stick eingebunden ist an drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Aug 2 11:55 share\n Ich hatte den stick unter dem home verzeichnis eingebunden in der hoffnung, das der nutzer diesen ordner auch benutzen kann.\n kann ich die fstab so ab\u00c3\u00a4ndern, da\u00c3\u009f der nutzer den eingebunden stuck auch benutzen kann\n oder muss ich das anders machen\n \"user\" als option mit \u00c3\u00bcbergeben hast schon probiert? https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/fstab/\n alternativ w\u00c3\u00a4re die bessere l\u00c3\u00b6sung es via udev einzubinden\n https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/udev/ unter dem Punkt Beispiele f\u00c3\u00bcr Regeln das 4. Beispiel\n Ich habe gerade eine neue HDD angeschlossen. /dev/sdb1 2048 9767473151 9767471104 4,6T Microsoft basic data w\u00c3\u00bcrdet ihr mir empfehlen den Partitionstyp zu \u00c3\u00a4ndern zu Fat32 z.B.?\n l\n Scheinbar habe ich schon eine FAT Partition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_basic_data_partition\n tokam: wenn du gro\u00c3\u009fe Dateien drauf packen willst und mit windows kompatibel sein m\u00c3\u00b6chtest, w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich pers\u00c3\u00b6nlich NTFS empfehlen\n Tats\u00c3\u00a4chlich, jemand empfiehlt NTFS\n e2label: Ung\u00c3\u00bcltige magische Zahl im Superblock beim Versuch, /dev/sdb1 zu \u00c3\u00b6ffnen\n Es kann kein g\u00c3\u00bcltiger Dateisystem-Superblock gefunden werden.\n Keine Ahnung wie ich den Namen \u00c3\u00a4ndern kann\n Is snything able to handle all kinds of files ? or are there known issues ?\n /dev/sdb1 on /media/tokam/7C8664118663CA6A type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096,uhelper=udisks2)\n tokam: der ntfs treiber unter linux ist zwar lahm, aber das ist immernoch der beste kompromiss\n Ich f\u00c3\u00bchre gerade mv auf einer Menge Daten aus.\n L\u00c3\u00b6scht MV erst wenn es fertig ist?\n Aktuell sieht es mir n\u00c3\u00a4mlich eher nach einer Kopie aus, was mv da veranstaltet\n wenn es \u00c3\u00bcber verschiedene filesysteme ist, dann ist das ein cp und rm\n und wann erfolgt das rm?\n \"when its done\" :)\n bei manchen files gibt es probleme wegen dem filename weil er sonderzeichen enth\u00c3\u00a4lt\n ntfs ist zwar ziemlich lahm unter linux, aber es ist halt das beste f\u00c3\u00bcr Dateien >2Gig und mehrere OS.\n Naja ich sichere gerade Daten von einer alten USB 2.0 HDD\n auch das noch.\n lass es doch einfach mal laufen. desto mehr du da rumfummeln willst desto sicherer gehts schief.\n 10 Stunden noch vermute ich.\n Hallo! Habe in Thunderbird 45.2.0 unter Ubuntu 16.04 eine komische Sache: Umlaute werden von ankommenden E-Mails falsch dargestellt, aber...\n alternativ halt erst ein umbennenungsscript f\u00c3\u00bcr die Namen dr\u00c3\u00bcberlaufen lassen.\n stevieh: ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde das gerne sp\u00c3\u00a4ter machen\n und hoffe, dass die fehlgeschlagenen files \u00c3\u00bcber bleiben\n na, da dr\u00c3\u00bcck ich mal die Daumen, aber sollte schon :-)\n bei fehler bleiben die dateine vor ort. \n kannst ja jetzt schon mal schauen...\n naja er l\u00c3\u00b6scht ja nicht :D \n zumindest nicht transparent \n unter Ansicht->Textkodierung ist Unicode bereits angekreuzt, Ich mu\u00c3\u009f nur noch einmal darauf klicken, und alles ist okay.\n Welches Programm?\n Ich kopiere mit # mv \n Und zwar bei jeder Sitzung wieder.\n das Ziel kann nicht entfernt werden: Ung\u00c3\u00bcltiges oder unvollst\u00c3\u00a4ndiges Multi-Byte- oder Wide-Zeichen - lese ich zwar manchmal aber Dateien die schon kopiert wurden, wurden scheinbar noch nicht versucht zu l\u00c3\u00b6schen.\n Ist doch komisch: Die Sache ist bereits angekreuzt, und ich mu\u00c3\u009f es noch einmal machen.\n Hat jemand eine Idee, wie ich (wahrscheinlich die Grundeinstellung) dauerhaft korrigiere?\n stevieh: hinzu kommt, dass ich von einem image das auf der NTFS USB 2.0 Platte gespeichert ist kopiere\n Das Image ist ext3\n :D \n und dann kaputte umlaute?\n auf der ext3 Platte ja \n heruntergeladene Dateien vermutlich\n Zun\u00c3\u00a4chst ja. Nach einmaligem Anklicken von Unicode (obwohl das schon angeklickt ist) ist alles in Ordnung.\n Glatz: ne, das galt nicht dir, mein Kommentar ;-)\n okay\n tokam: lass es laufen\n Mu\u00c3\u009f jetzt los. Melde mich sp\u00c3\u00a4ter noch einmal. Sch\u00c3\u00b6nen Tag noch!\n Unter 15.10 kann ich den Hardware-Lautst\u00c3\u00a4rkeregler der ASUS Xonar U7 nicht verwenden, der Indikator zeigt zwar die \u00c3\u0084nderungen an, das wirkt sich aber nicht auf die Lautst\u00c3\u00a4rke aus. Jemand Vorschl\u00c3\u00a4ge?\n Upgrade?\n jo, 15.10 ist seit dem 28. juli tot\n hm, stimmt\n nagetier, welcher indikator? hardware oder software?\n ppq: Software, der, der \u00c3\u00bcblicherweise oben rechts bei Xfce ist\n ok, dann wirkt sich das einfach auf den falschen mixer aus\n also der unter der Master-Lautst\u00c3\u00a4rke\n ja, das vermutete ich auch\n wo konnte man das nochmal \u00c3\u00a4ndern?\n sind das buttons oder ein drehknopf?\n drehknopf, mit Button.. mit dem kann zwischen Line-Out und Kopfh\u00c3\u00b6rer gew\u00c3\u00a4hlt werden\n hm, ok\n aber die eigentliche Lautst\u00c3\u00a4rke per Drehknopf\n naja, keine ahnung wie man den richtigen ausw\u00c3\u00a4hlt. im alsamixer kann man ja nur selber die mixer beeinflussen, aber nicht welcher von dem knopf beeinflusst wird\n aber nen blick ist das wohl trotzdem wert\n ja, das tat ich schon\n nagetier, pack mal options snd-usb-audio ignore_ctl_error=1 ans ende der /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf, dann alsa force-reload und dann im alsamixer mit F6 die karte ausw\u00c3\u00a4hlen, am rad drehen und gucken ob/wo sich was tut\n quelle: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix%3aVendor-Asus\n ja, okay, das fand ich auch, nur sah ich keinen Bezug auf mein \"Problem\"\n \"mixer works with snd-usb-audio ignore_ctl_error=1\"\n okay\n \u00c3\u00bcberlesen\n danke, ppq \n freu dich nicht zu fr\u00c3\u00bch ;)\n joa, bin auch so schon recht zufrieden :)\n Wenn ich ein System aufsetze muss ich mich entscheiden, ob ich LVM einsetze oder nicht. Macht LVM \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt Sinn, wenn ich nicht mehrere HDDs zusammenfassen m\u00c3\u00b6chte und Snapshots auch nicht unbedingt ben\u00c3\u00b6tige?\n nick _Doktor_\n _Doktor_, nein, dann geht es auch bestens ohne\n LVM braucht eigentlich kaum jemand\n<_Doktor_> Danke.\n ppq: ne, das wirkt leider nicht\n aber ok, ich will die Tage eh auf 16.04 umsatteln, mal sehen\n<_Doktor_> bei dem Thema partitionieren, sollte man wahrscheinlich einfach so 20 gig f\u00c3\u00bcr / (Betriebssystem) vorsehen und dann /home und /var/www dann auf anderen Partitionen unterbringen, oder?\n<_Doktor_> Damit man sp\u00c3\u00a4ter das System updaten kann und die Daten erhalten bleiben\n<_Doktor_> oder doch ganze HDD f\u00c3\u00bcr / verwenden?\n<_moep_> hm 14.04 noch laufen lassen, oder mal auf 16.04 upgraden?\n _moep_: meinen Server lass ich erstmal noch ne ganze Weile auf 14.04... mit nem Desktop isses was anderes\n<_moep_> ja ist auch server\n<_Doktor_> stevieh: wieso?\n<_moep_> der macht nix anderes, als \"gateway\" zuspielen damit man ins management vlan kommt\n _Doktor_: weils fucking viel Arbeit ist... \n<_Doktor_> echt?\n und da nix ist, was so frisch ist, dass ich es in neuer brauche.\n<_Doktor_> gerade gelesen: man muss nur \"sudo do-release-upgrade\" machen\n<_Doktor_> :)\n \"nur\"\n auf dem Desktop isses auch so, aber meine server sind schon ziemlich gefrickelt...\n und auch auf dem Desktop hab ich jetzt schon drei massive \u00c3\u0084rgernisse gefunden...\n<_Doktor_> Habt Ihr noch einen Tipp, wie ich meine Hdd am g\u00c3\u00bcnstigsten partitioniere oder eben auch nicht?\n<_Doktor_> stevieh: welche?`\n _Doktor_: iich w\u00c3\u00bcrde zumindest /home auf eine separate partition legen.\n -i\n naja...\n selbst davon hab ich mich beim Desktop verabschiedet.\n sudo touch /forcefsck \u00e2\u0086\u0092 Pr\u00c3\u00bcft das alle Platten und Partitionen?\n<_moep_> sudo do-release-upgrade <- wie nutzt man das? muss ich da noch irgendwas anderes beachten oder die sources.list anpassen?\n dreamon: touch ist f\u00c3\u00bcr die ver\u00c3\u00a4nderung von timestamps\n _moep_: man do-release-upgrade\n dreamon: zudem kann man damit eine 0 byte gro\u00c3\u009fe datei erstellen\n<_moep_> das w\u00c3\u00a4re ja zu einfach^^\n<_moep_> :P\n laya, https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Dateisystemcheck/#Manuelle-Pruefung\n mmhh so noch nie benutzt\n wie kann ich erkennen ob mein Lenovo G550 USB 3.0 unterst\u00c3\u00bctzt? \n Und ob Linux hierf\u00c3\u00bcr Treiber kennt\n dreamon: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-force-fsck-on-the-next-reboot-or-boot-sequence/\n Ach da steht, dass ich 3x USB 2.0 habe :( \n Meine Festplatte unterst\u00c3\u00bctzt 3.0, also ist nun der Anschluss langsamer als notwendig?\n laya, Schon schon .. will ja nur wissen ob er beim Rebootet alles Pr\u00c3\u00bcft was an Hdd/Partitionen so verbaut ist.\n Ich boote mal LiveCD und pr\u00c3\u00bcfe alles h\u00c3\u00a4ndisch durch\n tokam: langsamer ist noch sanft ausgedr\u00c3\u00bcckt\n was ist denn der speed von usb 2.0? Da muss ich mal bei Lenovo anfragen ob ich das Ger\u00c3\u00a4t upgraden kann.\n Also das Kopieren dauert hier ewig. Ich denke, das ist so nicht hinnehmbar. \n da kannst du gar nix upgraden.\n Mist.\n w\u00c3\u00bcrde gerne ein Modul tauschen\n Dann brauche ich ein neues Notebook demn\u00c3\u00a4chst. \n _moep_: Soweit ich weis, startet man do-release-upgrade OHNE sudo. Das fordert dann das Passwort an\n<_moep_> ok\n _moep_: Und die Anpassung der Sourceliste \u00c3\u00bcbernimmt das script f\u00c3\u00bcr Dich. Es gibt Leute, dies sagen, man soille die Fremdquellen (PPAs und so) vorher h\u00c3\u00a4ndisch selbst entfernen.\n _moep_: Zu empfehlen ist, es in tmux oder screen zu starten. Dann kann man es notfalls auch \u00c3\u00bcber ssh oder TTY \"weiterlaufen\" lassen.\n<_moep_> naja, ich hab keine fremdquellen\n<_moep_> nur backports\n<_moep_> und das z\u00c3\u00a4hlt wohl nicht\n _moep_: ein do-release-upgrade fahren. der macht alles automagisch\n und der startet das selber auch in einer screensession und \u00c3\u00b6ffnet bei servern sogar noch einen 2. ssh port zu der session.\n k1l: Oha! das Upgrade-Script nutzt inzwischen automagisch screen? War mir neu\n muss ich glatt beim n\u00c3\u00a4chsten Rechner mal testen\n tokam: Der G550 ist von 2009...\n und?\n der ist durchgehen alt, und war damals schon billig...\n Was soll ich mir kaufen? Ich habe ja in den Notebook 16GB Ram und eine SSD gepackt ;) \n tja, mehr Aufl\u00c3\u00b6sung, schnellere CPU und USB3 :-)\n Was bringt eine h\u00c3\u00b6here Aufl\u00c3\u00b6sung?\n ok, lassen wir das oder diskutieren das in offtopic weiter.\n was passiert wenn ich Daten die mv verschieben soll w\u00c3\u00a4hrend mv l\u00c3\u00a4uft l\u00c3\u00b6sche :D \n Absturz oder \u00c3\u009cberspringen?\n warum will man sowas versuchen? Aber Du darfst gern dar\u00c3\u00bcber berichten ;-)\n weil ich die Dateien nicht mehr brauche die da verschoben werden und sie gro\u00c3\u009f sind\n das Ziel kann nicht entfernt werden: Ung\u00c3\u00bcltiges oder unvollst\u00c3\u00a4ndiges Multi-Byte- oder Wide-Zeichen\n tja nun\n abwarten. mv entfernt einfach nichts\n aber ich lass es mal durchlaufen\n tokam: Und warum mistet man nicht \"vor\" der Datensicherung aus?\n i got that already\n huch, sorry\n weil die alte hdd so langsam ist \n und ich nicht wei\u00c3\u009f ob ich \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt ausmiste jokrebel\n Ausmisten _w\u00c3\u00a4hrend_ der Sicherung/Kopie klingt nicht nach \"durchdacht\" - Sorry\n toll mv ist durchgelaufen aber hat einfach nicht gel\u00c3\u00b6scht\n hat eine Liste ausgegeben der files, die es nicht l\u00c3\u00b6schen konnte\n und hat die anderen einfach nicht gel\u00c3\u00b6scht\n das ist dann nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich \u00c3\u00a4rgerlich\n hallo. ich wollte mal fragen, ob man sich hinreichend sicher sein kann, dass das open java genauso wie das orakle java funktioniert. \n Depends.\n Ich ja.\n<_Doktor_> Spricht irgenwas daf\u00c3\u00bcr, lieber auch Nextcloud zu gehen anstatt auf owncloud?\n _Doktor_: Was genau hat das mit Ubuntu-Support zu tun? Ich w\u00c3\u00bcrd ja Megacloud nehmen *duck*\n<_thelion_> Guten Abend. An meinem Internet-Modem h\u00c3\u00a4ngt eine Netzwerkfestplatte, auf die ich unter Kubuntu 16.04 \u00c3\u00bcber Samba (mit Dolphin) zugreifen kann. Wie schaffe ich das z.B. auch mit Amarok, bitte?\n<_thelion_> Auf der Festplatte liegen Musikdateien, die mir gerne anh\u00c3\u00b6ren m\u00c3\u00b6chte ... ;)\n _thelion_, Gehe per Dolphin zu den gew\u00c3\u00bcnschten Dateien und klicke sie an. Falls Amarok dein Standard-Player ist wird Amarok das gew\u00c3\u00bcnschte abspielen.\n Router? vielleicht; an nem Modem h\u00c3\u00a4ngen eher selten Netzwerkger\u00c3\u00a4te\n<_thelion_> Balu: Okay. - Ja, sorry, ist kein Modem, sondern ein Router\n Ansonsten mit der rechten Maustaste anklicken und bei \"\u00c3\u0096ffnen mit\" Amarok ausw\u00c3\u00a4hlen\n _thelion_: Was Balu sagt. Ansonsten zB. die Festplatte im Netzwerk freigeben vorher\n<_thelion_> Baku: Danke. Dann habe ich bei Amarok noch folgendes gefunden: neben der lokalen Sammlung kann ich - wie mit einem Dateibrowser - alle meine Dateien durchsuchen und komme so zu meiner Netzwerkfestplatte. Danke f\u00c3\u00bcr eure schnelle Hilfe.\n<_thelion_> sorry *Balu meinte ich\n _thelion_: ist ok :-)\n ein upgrade von trusty auf xenial ist fehlgeschlagen. Versuche es nun per chroot zu richten. Leider scheint etwas mit dem init-system nicht zu klappen. util-linux l\u00c3\u00a4sst sich nicht konfigurieren. Ich nehme mal an, das system ist 50/50\n Warum ist das Update fehlgeschlagen?\n Gute Frage. Wenn ich das w\u00c3\u00bcsste.\n Naja, das Update hat Dir ja was gesagt.\n Es ist gestern mit util-linux ausgestiegen. Irgendwann dachte ich, wegen dem init-system (upstart -> systemd) ein reboot k\u00c3\u00b6nnte helfen, dann kernel panic.\n Was heisst \"ausgestiegen\"?\n Eben in #ubuntu \"Hi, I got issues to upgrade from tahar to xenial. util-linux, insserv, update-rc.d and perl (apt-pkg/cache.pm) are not installable.\"\n https://bpaste.net/show/e38bcaf8832c\n https://bpaste.net/show/24ded7dabf32\n Sch\u00c3\u00b6n, du hast die PPA nicht deaktiviert vor dem Update.\n Schade, ich dachte do-release-upgrade k\u00c3\u00bcmmert sich darum.\n Wieso sollte es? :)\n Es sagt Dir ja auch nicht, dass es das tun w\u00c3\u00bcrde.\n Es hat gesagt es w\u00c3\u00bcrde Fremdquellen deaktivieren.\n Und wieso hast du sie dann wieder aktiviert?\n Siehe zweiter Paste.\n Hab' ich nicht.\n Na von alleine haben die sich nicht wieder aktiviert :)\n hast du etwa fremdquellen in der sources.list?\n Langer Rede kurzer Sinn: Setz die Kiste neu auf, ist schneller als jeder Reparaturversuch.\n Wenn ihr das sagt. opera klingt so.\n Ich bin \u00c3\u00bcber das Problem util-linux hinweggekommen:\n sudo rm -f /var/lib/dpkg/info/util-linux.postinst\n sudo apt-get install --reinstall util-linux\n https://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=1388991\n apt-get -f install l\u00c3\u00a4uft nun. /etc/apt/sources.list.d hatte ich vorher umbenannt.\n Danke f\u00c3\u00bcr den Tipp mit der sources.list (die selbst war sauber).\n Gute Nacht!\n#ubuntu-de 2016-08-03\n raid-10, raid-6 oder raid-z2\n ?\n hi. Gibt es einen poedit ersatz f\u00c3\u00bcr die Kommandozeile? \n Hi :)\n Hat jemand von euch schon mal mit preseeding die Installation automatisiert? W\u00c3\u00bcrde gerne mein Preseeding testen, ohne die Install-DVD/USB anzupassen - gibt's da einen einfachen Weg?\n mich interessiren mal fileserver raid-meinungen. 5x 2TB: raid-10 (4x 2TB), raid-5/raidz, raid-6 oder raid-z2?\n z2\n ist aber eher eine frage f\u00c3\u00bcr #ubuntu-de-offtopic\n ahso\n ok\n Hallo\n kann mir jemmand Helfen ?\n Ohne konkrete Frage kaum\n<_Doktor_> Thema Virtualisierung mit virtualbox: Ist es sinnvoll, f\u00c3\u00bcr die Virtualisierung einen separaten User einzurichten? Scenario: Heimatverzeichnisse sind verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselt. W\u00c3\u00a4hrend eine VM l\u00c3\u00a4uft, nehme ich an, bleibt das Heimatverzeichnis dann \"entschusselt\", oder? Daher ein separater User....\n Sobald sich der User anmeldet, wird das Verzeichnis entschl\u00c3\u00bcsselt.\n<_Doktor_> und wie ist das, wenn eine vmware l\u00c3\u00a4uft?\n<_Doktor_> dann bleibt das Verzeichnis entsch\u00c3\u00bcsselt, richtig?\n Das Verzeichnis bleibt solange entschl\u00c3\u00bcselt, wie der User angemeldet ist, sonst k\u00c3\u00b6nnte er ja nicht auf seine Daten zugreifen.\n<_Doktor_> und damit die vm l\u00c3\u00a4uft, muss der user der sie startet anbemeldet bleiben? \n<_Doktor_> selbst wenn man es von der shell startet...\n _Doktor_: du meldest dich doch auf der shell auch als user an...\n<_Doktor_> koegs: das stimmt schon. Aber wenn eine VM immer l\u00c3\u00a4uft, w\u00c3\u00a4re mein Verzeichnis immer entschl\u00c3\u00bcsselt, auch wenn ich nicht mehr eingeloggt bin. Nehme ich daf\u00c3\u00bcr ein anderen user, dann ist das Verzeichnis zwar entschl\u00c3\u00bcsselt, aber mein \"eigenes home\" nicht. w\u00c3\u00a4re doch sicherer.....\n _Doktor_: das ist korrekt, aber dann brauchst du das Verzeichnis dieses Usern auch gar nicht verschl\u00c3\u00bcsseln, spart performance\n Wof\u00c3\u00bcr ist /var/cache gedacht\n ich habe leider den chmod etwas auf diesen ganzen Dateien ver\u00c3\u00a4ndert\n kann ich irgendwie nur die Sprache f\u00c3\u00bcr make \u00c3\u00a4ndern?\n du kannst vor dem kommando das lang_c setzen\n LANG=C ls /\n kann ich das nicht auch gleich global \u00c3\u00a4ndern?\n kannst nen alias machen\n So kannst Du Teamviewer bei Dir installieren:\n Gehe auf diese Homepage: http://www.teamviewer.com/de/download/index.aspx\n Lade dort die TeamViewer Vollversion herunter und installiere sie. \n (F\u00c3\u00bcr private Anwender ist dies kostenlos)\n Nach dem Start des Teamviewers erscheint ein Fenster, von welchem Du bitte\n sorry\n die folgenden Daten dem Schlawiner zukommen l\u00c3\u00a4sst (am besten per notice):\n \n#ubuntu-de 2016-08-04\n Hat jemand eine idee wie m\u00c3\u00b6glicherweise besch\u00c3\u00a4digte gz datei retten kann? Wenn ich \"file db.sql.gz\" eingebe kommt bei mir \"db.sql.gz: data\" raus :(\n normalerweise w\u00c3\u00bcrde comporessed gzip file rauskommen\n deswegen sagt er mir auch beim \"gunzip db.sql.gz\" -> \"gzip: db.sql.gz: not in gzip format\"\n Approach: sicher, dass es dann eine .gz-datei ist?\n Frickelpit: ja bin mir sicher.. mein backup bash script hat es erstellt\n Kannst du von der DB manuell einen Dump erstellen?\n n\u00c3\u00b6 mysql ist tot... deswegen brauche ich ja das backup :)\n ich erstelle mal ein neues\n mhh das neue file wurde im richtigen format erstellt\n ich bef\u00c3\u00bcrchte das wohl, das file kaputt ist\n muss wohl an meiner backup strategie etwas arbeiten\n Scheint so ;)\n Wann l\u00c3\u00a4uft das Backup immer?\n einmal nachts...\n https://gist.github.com/andsens/3736393\n und du komprimierst dann h\u00c3\u00a4ndisch?\n oh das war der falsche script..., meins sieht etwas anders aus \"mysqldump -u XXXX -pXXXXX --all-databases | gzip -9 > /var/backup/sql.gz\"\n n\u00c3\u00b6 automatisch\n moin\n hi\n konnte man nicht mit fdisk eine Partition vergr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fern? Oder geht es nur durch l\u00c3\u00b6schen und neu anlegen?\n mit parted ginge das\n +g auch\n sollte doch auch mit eingehangener Platte gehen.\n mit LVM?\n nein\n ext4\n lol\n urspr\u00c3\u00bcnglich 64GB, mit ,\n marquisor: ja, lol, ich wei\u00c3\u009f was ein lvm ist.\n doev: Daten sichern (falls noch nicht passiert) und dann per Live-CD/USB die Partition vergr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fern.\n mit gparted geht das wunderbar \"live\"\n nicht online, aber ohne datensicherung\n 100x gemacht\n mit lvm soll das online gehen\n Frickelpit: geht nicht, ist ein vserver.\n DESWEGEN LOL\n wegen ext4, das passte so gut als antwort auf lvm ;)\n hallo.. ich habe eine frage bzgl. Bash. Folgendes Problem: ich habe 2 Dateien, eine mit Strings und eine mit Integers, jetzt m\u00c3\u00b6chte ich die beiden Dateien quasi verschmelzen in ein Array.. oder in eine Datei. Hintergrund: Ich muss mit dem Integer eine Berechnung ausf\u00c3\u00bchren und einen Vergleich, bei match soll er den dazugeh\u00c3\u00b6rigen String wieder ausgeben.. \n hat da jemand einen tipp? (k\u00c3\u00b6nnte mein jetziges skript auch hochladen)\n cronic: #bash\n Frickelpit: ob ich da auch auf deutsch fragen darf? :P\n #german-bash.org\n vermutlich aber ob dich dann einer versteht? ;)\n ;)\n :D\n Frickelpit: Datensicherung, Swap l\u00c3\u00b6schen, Partitionsgrenze erh\u00c3\u00b6hen, neues Swap anlegen, ext4 vergr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fern, oder nicht?\n doev: geht so aber nicht im Betrieb\n nur vergr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fern mit ext4 sollte\u00e2\u0084\u00a2 auch ohne LVM gehen\n ggf. mit reboot damit die ge\u00c3\u00a4nderte partitionstabelle aktiv wird\n doev, in parted ist das der 'resizepart' befehl. und 'print free' zeigt an was verf\u00c3\u00bcgbar ist, mit 'unit mib' oder 'unit s' auch in einer brauchbaren Einheit\n Frickelpit, solange er die Partitionstabelle einlesen kann, sollte es ohne Neuboot gehen.\n Ich habe vor eine Festplatte zu l\u00c3\u00b6schen.\n # dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sdc\n der Befehl terminiert nach wenigen Sekunden.\n was mache ich da falsch?\n ich habe nun mal /dev/zero als eingabe quelle genutz :) \n oder w\u00c3\u00a4re random besser?\n naja da ist nichts besonderes drauf auf der hdd\n tokam, /dev/null produziert null daten... zum \u00c3\u00bcberschreiben gibts /dev/zero. oder du nimmst 'shred -v -n 1 /dev/kaputt'\n ist shred besser?\n shred nehmen\n tokam, ansonsten bei dd noch bs=1M und evtl. auch status=progress hinzuf\u00c3\u00bcgen\n ahcja die Autovervollst\u00c3\u00a4ndigung via Tab auf /dev/zeros hat nicht geklappt mit dem dd Befehl\n er hat mir das if= immer weg gel\u00c3\u00b6scht\n was merkw\u00c3\u00bcrdig war\n ok habe ich gemacht, danke\n geht auch schneller als bei der Platte wo certified high speed USB 1.0 am Eingang steht :D \n mit den 36MB/s die mein USB 2.0 packt kann ich bei 250gb leben.\n welcher usb2.0 kan 36MB/s?\n kann\n 4777312256 bytes (4,8 GB, 4,4 GiB) copied, 140,012 s, 34,1 MB/s \n meiner\n dasis usb3.0\n aber mein Lenovo G550 kann kein USB 3.0\n Lengsdorfer, wieso soll das usb3 sein?\n weil meine usb2.0s deutlich langsamer sind:)\n kann ich nicht mit USB 3.0 bis zu 300M/s auf meiner Platte an Lesegeschwindigkeit erreichen?\n bei einer ssd vielleicht, mit flugrost wird das schwierig ;)\n ok Schreibgeschwindigkeit\u00c2\u00a0von knapp 81 MB/s\n https://www.externe-festplatte.de/western-digital/wd-elements-portable/\n usb2 ist da schluss wo du oben gepostet hast, das kommt schon so hin\n meine HDD unterst\u00c3\u00bctzt 3.0 aber mein Notebook nicht\n also usb2.0 mit 36Mb/s ist sehr gut\n hab meist so ~20mb/s\n ok, dann musst du wahrscheinlich och auf die FAT zugriefen.\n h\u00c3\u00a4?\n oder arbeitest mit fragmentierten Daten.\n ich meine, dass mein Befehl einfacher ist als z.B. eine Leseoperation fragmentierter Daten\n n\u00c3\u00b6, alles konventionell fs4, o.\u00c3\u00a4.\n oder du hast zwei usb platten gleichzeitig...\n daher hat er einen Vorteil.\n Ich habe eine SATA Platte hier mit nem USB interface angeklemmt\n oder noch ne usb webcam oder sowas womit sich die platte das usb teilen muss\n ansonsten ist 20MB/s f\u00c3\u00bcr eine usb2 festplatte schon ein wenig schwach. Bei USB Sticks ist es wieder was anderes.\n frostschutz: guter Punkt, den hatte ich bisher nicht bedacht, dass mein USB Hub ja alles ausbremsen kann :D \n das mit dem zus\u00c3\u00a4tzlichen usb kram kann nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich sein\n da gibts auch lahme usb3 sticks\n 18075353088 bytes (18 GB, 17 GiB) copied, 570,024 s, 31,7 MB/s \n ah, der Apparat hat erstmal ins cache geschrieben und dass verf\u00c3\u00a4lscht die speedmessung\n ?\n was davon ist cache?\n linux utilisiert den nicht genutzten speicher als festplattencache\n ?\n wenn ich an meinem gro\u00c3\u009fen rechner einen 4GB Stick vollschreibe, sagt der auch ~100MB/s, allerdings blinkt der Stick danach 5 minuten weiter\n pl\u00c3\u00b6tzlich sind sdc1 sdc2 sdc3 usw verschwunden yeah :) \n top, bzw. htop liefert infos \u00c3\u00bcber den hd cache\n also habe ich noch keine 26GB geschrieben?\n 28166848512 bytes (28 GB, 26 GiB) copied, 890,044 s, 31,6 MB/s \n verm. nicht\n davon gehe ich aber eigentlich aus?\n die speedmessung wird verm. immer langsamer\n nur weil dein speed kleiner ist als meiner? :D \n wieviel RAM hast du denn...\n nein, weil linux deinen nicht benutzen ram nutzt\n was ja sinnvoll ist\n nur gibts eben falsche messergebnisse\n Also aktuell liegt der Speed bei 31,5 GB\n 'abgerechnet wird am schluss' :)\n <- westernfan\n 128647692288 bytes (129 GB, 120 GiB) copied, 4221,09 s, 30,5 MB/s\n was ist eigentlich mit dem linux-firmware-nonfree Paket ab 16.04 passiert?\n BlackMage: Was soll damit passiert sein?\n jokrebel: das ist ja garnicht mehr in den Quellen enthalten\n mag sein, dass das in ne andere Grundquelle verlegt wurde. Aber geben tut es es nach wie vor.\n hallo ?\n hallo \n Ach wie geil. Der IRC lebt ja noch :D\n Ubuntu_Noob: Wobei auf Hallo eher kaum jemand reagiert ;-)\n waruf denn dann ?\n worauf\n Ist schon so lange her, das ich IRC benutzt habe. Erstmal die Befehle wieder rauskramen ;)\n dafuer waere dann eher etwas wie #ubuntu-de-offtopic da\n der Kanal hier waere fuer Support zu Ubuntu\n Ubuntu_Noob: Gerade in reinen Suupport-Kan\u00c3\u00a4len meist nur konkrete (echt - keine Meta-) Fragen\n Das ist gut. Dann bin ich ja richtig\n Alles klar. Wei\u00c3\u009f ich Bescheid.\n Also einfach Frage hier stellen und auf Antwort hofen, oder ?\n ja\n los gehts!\n hallo alle, ich hab ubuntu 16.04 server edition auf mein netbook installiert und wenn ich den deckel vom netook schlie\u00c3\u009fe geht das netbook in den bereitschafts-modus wie kann ich das unterbinden ? W\u00c3\u00a4hre nett wenn mir jemand weiterhelfen k\u00c3\u00b6nnte.\n quick&dirty -> offen lassen *duck*\n naaaainnnnn \n :D\n es muss doch ne l\u00c3\u00b6sung geben ohne > \"Deckel offen lassen\" BITTEEE HILFE !\n kcalB: Gibt es bestimmt. Ich kenn aber leider nur den GUI-Weg, was Dir ja bei der Serverversion nicht wirklich hilft.\n hmmm...... und nun ? O.o\n warten? auf die Antwort von denen die es wissen, aber Deine Frage noch gar nicht gelesen haben, weil sie noch mit was anderem besch\u00c3\u00a4ftigt sind?\n kcalB: Aber Du kannst Dir ja die Zeit vertreiben mit \"einlesen um es zu verstehen\" https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Energiesparmodi_mit_ACPI/?highlight=bereitschaftsmodus ... vielleicht findest Du ja auch selbst eine L\u00c3\u00b6sung ;-)\n so als erster Ansatz. Google liefert da noch viel mehr Links\n danke ich kuck \u00c3\u0096.\u00c3\u0096\n kcalB: \"Deckel offen lassen; sonst gibt es auch Probleme mit der K\u00c3\u00bchlung\" klingt \u00c3\u00bcbrigens durchaus auch manchmal plausibel.\n kcalB: da der \"Bereitschaftsmodus\" vom ACPI gesteuert wird, w\u00c3\u00a4re es vielleicht eine L\u00c3\u00b6sung ACPI zu deaktivieren\n jokrebel, ich hab noch nein l\u00c3\u00bcfter unterm netbook zumindest im sommer. Temeratur ist bei 49C :D\n Balu, hab ich gerade mal gemacht muss netbook mal neu starten. Gleich wieder da\n Yuhuuuu ....... es geht acpi=off freuuuu\n so zum dritten mal \n ich denke das es geht, danke euch nochmal f\u00c3\u00bcr eure hilfe\n \\o/\n kcalB: jetzt funktioniert halt keine der Energiesparfunktionen. Aber wenn Du damit leben kannst\n Bildschirm abdunkeln geht aber trotzdem, z.B. mit xset\n Balu, ist mir wurscht das ding l\u00c3\u00a4uft 24/7 ist mein wlanrouter ;)\n Sorry, xset ist Bl\u00c3\u00b6dsinn. Du hast ja kein X\n Ich hab gerade bei einem Lubuntu 14.04.5 das Mainboard gewechselt und jetzt werden bei lspci zwar beide Netzwerkkarten angezeigt, aber bei ifconfig nicht. Und ich kann auch kein eth1 hochfahren. Das System hat eine Netzwerkkarte auf dem Mainboard und eine per PCI.\n 14.04.5! Du hast schon Pointrelease 5?\n Sagt mir zumindest /etc/issue.net\n NTQ: Und welcher der 2 geht?\n Ich hab gerade festgestellt, das lshw -C network eine als DEAKTIVIERT anzeigt\n NTQ: und welche? Vielleicht die On-Board im BIOS deaktivert?\n sorry, hab auf wlan gewechselt\n NTQ: und welche? Vielleicht die On-Board im BIOS deaktivert?\n Ja, das hab ich mir gerade auch gedacht. Das checke ich jetzt mal ab\n Nein, da ist sie explizit eingeschaltet\n Ich fahr nochmal hoch\n Die MAC adresse der internen will ich noch \u00c3\u00a4ndern, aber momentan wird sie ja nicht mal initialisiert.\n iwconfig zeigt mir noch eth2 an?\n dann liegt es daran. Es hat einen neuen Namen :)\n so einfach\n das passiert ganz gern. War irgendwo schon mal auf eth7. Da gibt es auch was, um das wieder auf \"eth0\" \"downzugraden\". Weiss nur grad nimmer wie das ging.\n So ganz l\u00c3\u00a4uft's auch noch nicht\n hab da irgendwie keine default route drin\n strange\n wenn ich in /etc/network/interfaces etwas \u00c3\u00a4ndere, dann reicht es doch aus einfach ifconfig eth0 down und wieder up zu machen, oder nicht?\n oh, mit ifdown und ifup geht's\n verwirrend\n jokrebel, kann man das downgraden von eth7 nicht einfach in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules erledigen ? hatte mal das PRoblem mit wlan2 statt wlan0\n hall\u00c3\u00b6le....\n ich brauch mal hilfe. komme einfach nnicht weiter.....\n ich bekomme keine tastaturunterst\u00c3\u00bctzung in meinem lieblingsspiel bei facebook. das l\u00c3\u00a4uft unter java\n ich bekomm mein Brother DCP-395CN als Scanner nicht zum laufen. Drucken geht. Hab die Anleitung unter Ubuntuusers befolgt. Aber will nicht...\n der chat dort ist sehr wichtig f\u00c3\u00bcr die koordination, jedoch will sich meine tastatur einfach nicht bedienen lassen. ich bin mir sicher da muss nur irgendwas eingestellt werden dann l\u00c3\u00a4uft das.... aber was? ich verzweifele\n hab schon \u00c3\u00bcberall gesucht und gegooglet aber ich werd da nicht schlau draus.\n sorry mein fehler. es ist der flash player von adobe....\n tobias33: konntest du das schon in einem anderen Browser testen?\n ja alles vergebens.leider. wenn ich mozilla emuliere geht es witziger weise, jedoch ist mein rechner etwas \u00c3\u00a4lter. was bedeutet da hab ich diashow\n das muss ne einstellungssache sein die sich auf die ubuntu unterst\u00c3\u00bctzung bezieht\n#ubuntu-de 2016-08-05\n Kann man bei fail2ban auch eine blacklist f\u00c3\u00bchren? Da ist eine IP, die versucht es alle halbe Stunde trotzdem wieder und wird dann wieder gebannt. Ich will ungern die iptables selbst \u00c3\u00a4ndern.\n NTQ: https://zach.seifts.us/posts/2013/07/14/how-make-fail2ban-bans-persistent\n zB\n Danke, sieht gut aus. Es w\u00c3\u00a4re auch eine Funktionalit\u00c3\u00a4t toll, die nach jedem fehlgeschlagenen Login die Wartezeit verdoppelt oder sowas. Hab ich aber auch noch nicht gefunden.\n Und ist jetzt auch nicht so wichtig.\n NTQ: Das kann fail2ban so, der Filter nennt sich recidive.\n test?\n disconnect\n<_thelion_> Wie kann ich ein NAS per mount und IP-Adresse mounten, bitte?\n das kommt drauf an, was stellt das NAS denn zur Verf\u00c3\u00bcgung?\n<_thelion_> Das NAS h\u00c3\u00a4ngt an meinem Router und hat eine fixe IP\n<_thelion_> Da sind Musikdateien drauf\n Ja, aber wie kann man denn auf das NAS zugreifen? Macht das Samba? FTP? iSCSI?\n<_thelion_> Samba\n mount -t cifs \\\\1.2.3.4\\share /pfad/zum/mountpoint\n<_thelion_> und den Mountpunkt lege ich zuerst an? zB /media/Daten\n ja\n wenn ich mal meinen Senf dazu geben darf, w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich unter Linux aber eher NFS als Share nehmen\n<_thelion_> okay - und wie gehe ich da vor? Lese mir gerade den NFS Eintrag im ubuntuusers-wiki durch ...\n zum musik streamen tuts samba. ja, nfs kann mehr, aber daf\u00c3\u00bcr ist es eklig einzurichten, windows kriegts nicht hin und die meisten Plastik-NAS k\u00c3\u00b6nnen es auch nicht\n<_thelion_> Mein NAS beherrscht NFS ...\n<_thelion_> ... und ftp\n<_thelion_> ich hab da einen Bereitstellungspunkt: nfs://... \n<_thelion_> Soll ich einen h\u00c3\u00a4ndisch einen Eintrag in die fstab machen? ... \n nfs braucht immer noch identische user ids auf beiden endger\u00c3\u00a4ten\n wie kann ich nen befehl als root ausf\u00c3\u00bchren?\n also nicht nur mit root-rechten, sondern auch aus dem entsprechenden root verzeichnis \n -i\n also, sudo -i\n perfekt, thx\n Hat jemand einen Befehl parat, der mir die Datei mit dem neusten Datum in einem Verzeichnisbaum anzeigt?\n ls -t, wenn noetig mit awk oder cut dann noch schneiden \n ls -t1 | head -n1\n<_Doktor_> hi. woran sehe ich, ob das /home/USER wirklich verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselt ist?\n hej!\n _Doktor_, hier gibts hintergrundinformationen zu der funktion: https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/ecryptfs/\n _Doktor_, wenn es /home/.ecryptfs/ gibt, ist die verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselung richtig eingerichtet\n<_Doktor_> ppq: die infos habe ich gelsen. Danke. Vielleicht verstehe ich was prinzipielles noch nicht. Ich bin mal mit einem anderen User in das Verzeichnis gegangen und dort konnte ich die Daten lesen. Sollte ich doch nicht k\u00c3\u00b6nnen, oder? Verzeichnis ist vorhanden...\n _Doktor_, wenn der zweitnutzer die n\u00c3\u00b6tigen zugriffsrechte hat, kann er auch auf die entschl\u00c3\u00bcsselten daten des prim\u00c3\u00a4ren nutzers zugreifen, wenn dieser noch eingeloggt (= daten entsperrt) ist\n _Doktor_, wenn der prim\u00c3\u00a4rnutzer sich richtig abmeldet, sollte auch kein zugriff mehr m\u00c3\u00b6glich sein\n aber davon ab ist es sowieso nicht standardm\u00c3\u00a4\u00c3\u009fig der fall, dass man zugriff aufs homeverzeichnis anderer user hat\n<_Doktor_> ppq: das ist schon richtig mit dem Zugriff...ist ja nur zum Verifizieren\n<_Doktor_> ppq: also nach dem Boot war das home weg (Rechte waren auf 500 gesetzt). Dann hat sich der User eingeloggt. Dann wurden die Rechte (wie vorher zu testzwecken) mit 755 angezeigt. jetzt hat sich der User wieder ausgeloggt. M\u00c3\u00bcsste das Home ja auch wieder verschl\u00c3\u00bcsseln, oder?\n ja\n die ubuntu user homes sind world readable als standard.\n<_Doktor_> aber es \"encryted\" nicht mehr\n<_Doktor_> hmm\n k1l_, :o\n ja, weil das sonst eh nur scheinsicherheit ist und so mehr komfort bringt. \n<_Doktor_> jemand eine idee, warum sich das ding nicht mehr verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselt?\n Wie kann ich m\u00c3\u00b6glichst einfach Java auf meinem Server installieren? Bei der offiziellen Anleitung (https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Java/Installation/Oracle_Java/Java_8/) h\u00c3\u00b6rt es mit den Alternativen bei mir auf.\n brauchst du unbedingt Oracle Java 8?\n OpenJDK ist ansonsten paketiert und kann mit einem einzigen Befehl installiert werden\n Ist sowas von einfacher =)\n Das ist die Frage, ob Lucee auch damit l\u00c3\u00a4uft\n W\u00c3\u00a4r mir ja den Versuch wert\n `sudo apt-get install openjdk-8-jre` wenn du auf Xenial bist, sonst `sudo apt-get install opendjk-7-jre`\n openjdk ist doch eh die java referenz\n *jdk\n ich wei\u00c3\u009f nichtmal, was xenial ist\n ach, so. nein. ich bin bei 14.04\n E: Unable to locate package opendjk-7-jre\n jo, vertippt\n muss jdk hei\u00c3\u009fen, nicht djk\n moin\n ah, ja. richtig\n ok, im installationsscript soll ich JVM_FILE angeben. aktuell ist es \"server-jre-8u66-linux-x64.tar.gz\". wie hei\u00c3\u009ft es beim OpenJDK?\n w\u00c3\u00bcrd ich erstmal nicht anfassen\n im installer ist eigentlich eine JVM verpact\n es geht dabei um das installationsscript von Lucee\n schon klar\n wird hier abgefragt https://github.com/foundeo/ubuntu-nginx-lucee/blob/master/scripts/400-jvm.sh\n ach soo\n er will es installieren\n ich versuche es einfach mal\n ach das pr\u00c3\u00bcgelt einfach selber ein java mit rein? oh weh. \n nicht gut?\n guck dir die liste der java sicherheitsl\u00c3\u00bccken an und dann frag dich wer dir dein java auf dem server dann aktuell h\u00c3\u00a4lt.\n Klar, das ist nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich ein Problem\n irgendwie ist etwas schief gelaufen. wei\u00c3\u009f jemand, wie ich das heile machen kann? nginx l\u00c3\u00a4uft, aber tomcat offenbar nicht. http://paste.ubuntu.com/22342035/ und meine .cfm files werden als download ausgespuckt. vermutlich zu viel verlangt f\u00c3\u00bcr #ubuntu sicht jetzt auch noch damit auseinanderzusetzen, aber vielleicht wei\u00c3\u009f da jemand etwas\n<_thelion_> dadrc: bzgl. meiner Frage heute NM: ein NAS mounten, etc. Ich hab's geschafft! Auf der Wiki-Seite \u00c3\u00bcber NFS habe ich was gefunden. So konnte ich das NAS mounten.\n<_thelion_> Und dann hab ich eine Zeile in die fstab eingef\u00c3\u00bcgt. Und jetzt wird das NAS beim Start gemountet. Cool - so kann Amarok auf die Lieder zugreifen ...\n<_thelion_> Also - Danke f\u00c3\u00bcr die Hilfe. :)\n nabend, ich habe Ubuntu Mate auf einen Odroid c2 laufen. Nun geht diese Software Boutique nicht. ist das normal?\n hi\n was up\n odroid: was heisst geht nicht? irgendwelche fehlermeldungen?\n es werden keine anwendungen gezeigt: Sorry, Welcome could not feature any software for this category that is compatible on this system\n#ubuntu-de 2016-08-06\n 7718531072 bytes (7,7 GB, 7,2 GiB) copied, 1788,9 s, 4,3 MB/s\n Was ist denn da los? Das ist eine 1TB Platte, und der dd copy Befehl terminiert so\n dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb status=progress\n Ein 2. Ubuntu Problem, das ich noch nicht l\u00c3\u00b6sen konnte ist: Dass aktuell bei mir zwei Bildschirmschoner mit Passworteingabe laufen. Und der 2. erscheint auch manchmal 2 oder 3 mal sodass ich mein Passwort nach Inaktivit\u00c3\u00a4t 2-4 mal eingeben muss\n Ich nutze Ubuntu Mate. \n Hat jemand eine Idee zu Problem 1.) und zu Problem 2.) ? \n tokam: Hast Du evtl. das Ger\u00c3\u00a4t verwechselt?\n eigentlich nicht :D \n es h\u00c3\u00b6rt sich an als w\u00c3\u00bcrde das richtige Ger\u00c3\u00a4t arbeiten und ich pr\u00c3\u00bcfe so etwas auch mehrfach. \n Benutze doch mal http://paste.ubuntu.com\n Und habe vorher alle anderen Ger\u00c3\u00a4te abgest\u00c3\u00b6pselt \n Was soll ich pasten musca?\n die Ausgabe deines dd und evtl. fdisk -l /dev/sdb\n Naja die Ausgabe steht ja schon dort?\n im Chat...\n fdisk sagt: Medium /dev/sdb: 931,5 GiB, 1000204886016 Bytes, 1953525168 Sektoren\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/22426746/\n irgendwelche Meldungen im dmesg | tail -n 50\n dd: Schreiben in '/dev/sdb': Eingabe-/Ausgabefehler\n siehste Zeile 8 in deinem Paste?\n Ja ;) \n Und wie kann ich sie nun trotzdem sicher l\u00c3\u00b6schen?\n Ich glaube, die Platte sollte ich entsorgen oder?\n Der Platte w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich nicht von zw\u00c3\u00b6lf bis mittags trauen.\n conv=noerror,sync\n Evtl. kannst Du ein paar Bl\u00c3\u00b6cke \u00c3\u00bcberspringen und den Rest doch noch \u00c3\u00bcberschreiben.\n Ich probiere es mal so, bevor ich die Platte wegschmei\u00c3\u009fe: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb status=progress conv=noerror,sync\n Ich suche noch nach einer M\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit Backups physisch verteilt abzulegen. Hat hier schon jemand etwas \u00c3\u00a4hnliches umgesetzt? \n Idee 1: Backups auf alter HDD verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselt speichern und in Wohnung der Eltern lagern\n Idee 2: Backup Routine schreiben/finden, die Backups komprimiert regelm\u00c3\u00a4\u00c3\u009fig verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselt erstellt und mit meinem Root-Server oder einem Cloud-Dienst wie Google Drive synchronisiert\n musca: schau mal wie Langsam die Platte ist: 1390846464 bytes (1,4 GB, 1,3 GiB) copied, 317 s, 4,4 MB/s \n :D \n bin sehr froh, alle Daten von ihr gesichert zu haben.\n das liegt an dem Defekt. Die Platte pr\u00c3\u00bcft jeden Block etliche Male bevor sie ihn aufgibt.\n Also k\u00c3\u00b6nnte es in anderen Bereichen auch schneller werden...\n tokam: ein NAS in einem separaten Geb\u00c3\u00a4udeteil kann auch schon recht n\u00c3\u00bctzlich f\u00c3\u00bcr das Backup sein.\n oder ein NAS mit einem VPN \n Unterst\u00c3\u00bctzen Fritzboxen soetwas?\n Ich will aber meine externen Backups gecrypted wissen.\n Ich nutze aktuell die Ubuntu Backup Routine. Mit Passwort sollte ja eine Verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselung gegeben sein. \n Was mir noch Bauschmerzen bereitet, ist dass ich f\u00c3\u00bcr alle Backups, dann die gleiche Software verwende. Und ich nicht einsch\u00c3\u00a4tzen kann ob die Ubuntu Backup Routine etwas taugt.\n Deswegen guckt man ja womit verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselt wird und zweitens probiert man ein Restore\n hast du schonmal einen restore probiert? \n klappt er auch, wenn ich von einem ganz anderen pc aus arbeite?\n Ihr Heimnetzwerk mit einem anderen FRITZ!Box-Netzwerk verbinden (LAN-LAN-Kopplung) - nettes Feature\n toll, so bricht er auch ab mit dem IO error :( \n dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb status=progress conv=noerror,sync\n ist das nicht dd rescue, das man nehmen sollte?\n badblocks -v -b 4096 -t 0 -o badblocks.txt -w /dev/sdb\n ich l\u00c3\u00b6sche nun so\n Wird 37 Stunden dauern :( +\n tokam: du selber musst den restore durchspielen, damit du weisst das es f\u00c3\u00bcr dich funktioniert\n Ja muss ich dann wohl.\n Nix ist schlimmer als ein Backup ohne Restore zu probieren, da kannst du die Daten direkt wegschmeissen\n Ich habe Angst dabei etwas kaputt zu machen. Aber ich kann es ja mit einer live-disk testen.\n lol badblocks findet keine besch\u00c3\u00a4digten bl\u00c3\u00b6cke in dem bereich :D \n Im Ernst: Nimm 'nen Hammer.\n Im Ernst: Schutzbrille und Sicherheitsschuhe nicht vergessen.\n 4.68% erledigt, 3:16:59 verstrichen. (0/25301/0 Fehler)\n 25301 sind wohl read-errors. \n und die werden ganz langsam hochgez\u00c3\u00a4hlt\n 4.68% erledigt, 3:20:36 verstrichen. (0/26319/0 Fehler)\n 4.69% erledigt, 3:59:42 verstrichen. (0/37341/0 Fehler)\n<_Doktor_> wenn ich mit mount schaue, steht dort: tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev). Jetzt habe ich in einer Anleitung gelesen, man soll das \u00c3\u00a4ndern auf tmpfs /run/shm tmpfs defaults,noexec,nosuid 0 0 Kann mir das jemand erkl\u00c3\u00a4ren was das bedeutet?\n _Doktor_: in welcher Anleitung zu welchem Thema hast du das gelesen?\n<_Doktor_> https://www.thefanclub.co.za/how-to/how-secure-ubuntu-1604-lts-server-part-1-basics\n Also in Punkt 2. ist deine Frage beantwortet.\n<_Doktor_> scherz? gelesen habe ich das auch\n<_Doktor_> aber ganz verstehen tue ich das trotzdem nicht\n Ja, und da steht auch die Begr\u00c3\u00bcndung.\n<_Doktor_> Ohha...das hatte ich nicht gelesen. Danke f\u00c3\u00bcr die Info :x\n Hallo!\n Mein Upgrade von Trusty auf Xenial ist stecken geblieben\n nachdem ich den Prozess mit Strg+C abgebrochen habe blockiert weiterhin ein dpkg-Prozess weitere Installationsbem\u00c3\u00bchungen\n Warum hast du mit strg+c abgebrochen, und was ist die genaue Fehlermeldung?\n hey, bekks! \n \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 der Upgrade-Prozess ist beim Installieren von colplot stecken geblieben\n ich hab auf die Uhr geguckt, als ich das bemerkt habe - und 15 weitere Minuten gewartet\u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n danach hab ich strg+c gedr\u00c3\u00bcckt\n der ausgangsbefehlt war ein sudo do-release-upgrade\n und es steckt noch ein dpkg-befehl fest, der etliche pakete zu installieren versucht \n ( mit: ps afx|grep dpkg gefunden)\n ok. Ich hab den blockierenden dpkg-Prozess gekillt jetzt\n Er m\u00c3\u00b6chte erstmal die Pakete einrichten nun die er schon hat\u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n \u00e2\u0080\u00a6 bei colplot steckt er anscheinend wieder fest\u00e2\u0080\u00a6 das m\u00c3\u00bcsste ich vermutlich manuell entfernen\u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n Guten abend kann ich eine Ubuntu partition ohne verlust verkleinern \n Datenverlust wohlgemerkt \n gparted zeigt die h\u00c3\u00a4lfte frei an \n das geht, dauert aber u.U. sehr lange\n Danke \n Das kommt auf das Dateisystem an, u.a. :)\n ich versuch mal einen reboot \u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n Um welches Problem zu l\u00c3\u00b6sen?\n LOL ? 4.72% erledigt, 8:07:03 verstrichen. (0/107067/0 Fehler)\n Was m\u00c3\u00b6chtest du uns mitteilen, ausser dass du - wie immer - kein Ubuntu hast?\n kein Ubuntu?\n Ja, hast du doch f\u00c3\u00bcr gew\u00c3\u00b6hnlich nicht.\n was denn sonst?\n Ist auch v\u00c3\u00b6llig egal - was verssuchst du uns mit dem Fortschritt da oben zu sagen?\n ich versuche eine 1TB Platte zu nullen.\n root@localhost:~# badblocks -v -b 4096 -t 0 -o badblocks.txt -v -w /dev/sdb \n weil es mit DD zu IO Errors kam\n Schmeiss die Platte weg, kauf eine neue.\n Aber scheinbar resultiert das nur in Lesefehlern\n wenn es badblock errors gibt, dann ist die platte sicher hin\n Ich will sie sicher l\u00c3\u00b6schen.\n dann nimm ne bohrmaschine und bohr ein loch rein\n Giess Kupfer dr\u00c3\u00bcber.\n ok. das wird ein Spa\u00c3\u009f\n Aber gel\u00c3\u00b6scht sind die Daten ja dann immer noch nicht\n m(\n wie willst du die daten von der platte auslesen wenn die platte kaputt ist?\n Die NSA! Die NSA!\n mit dd rescue ein image ziehen?\n und die bereiche die noch lesbar sind zusammensetzen\n ?\n Wie willst du mit ddrescue ein Image von einer gelochten Platte ziehen?\n Erst denken, dann schreiben.\n achso. ich glaube da gibt es methoden im labor :D \n so eine Platte zu rekonstruieren. aber keiner wird sich die M\u00c3\u00bche machen.\n Richtig.\n tokam: nein. mit einem loch im platter reisst das luftpolster unter dem schreib/lesearm ab und es kann nicht gelesen werden. d.h. es k\u00c3\u00b6nnte nur einzelne sektoren ohne spin gelesen werden. dann guck mal nach, was das kostet und entscheide ob es f\u00c3\u00bcr deine warezsammlung lohnne w\u00c3\u00bcrde.\n die \u00c3\u00bcberlegungen gelten nur unter der annahme, dass die platte auch innerhalb der n\u00c3\u00a4chsten 20 jahre auf dem m\u00c3\u00bcll verschwindet\n in zukunft naher oder ferner wird das auslesen eventuell g\u00c3\u00bcnstiger, oder aber auch nicht, weil die technik veraltet ist\n tokam: h\u00c3\u00b6r auf zu sabbeln\n ok thema wechsel! Ich kann Kickboxen. Macht Spa\u00c3\u009f!\n du machst da ein geschiss als wenn du da die atomcodes der nato auf der platte hast und alle geheimdienste der welt mit bilionen budgets nur an deiner festplatte interessiert w\u00c3\u00a4ren\n bis es knacks macht\n tokam: Gleich bist du draussen.\n Das war scherzhaft gemeint. k1l sei bitte trotzdem etwas freundlicher.\n Danke f\u00c3\u00bcr die Tipps mit der Bohrmaschine. \n tokam: Du verwechselst hier was. k1l ist der Freundliche.\n bekks ist der b\u00c3\u00b6se cop!\n es ist materialschonender mit nem dicken hammer auf die platte zu hauen\n k1l: und woher weist du ob auf tokam's Platte eine warezsammlung drauf ist?\n wei\u00c3\u009f er nicht - aber mit der Vermutung, dass ich \u00c3\u00bcberparanoid bin hat er recht \n Und st\u00c3\u00a4ndig offtopic hier, das bist du auch.\n wie kann ich eine .so Library auf unerf\u00c3\u00bcllte Abh\u00c3\u00a4ngigkeiten pr\u00c3\u00bcfen?\n Mit ldd.\n ganz oben steht da 'linux-vdso.so.1 => (0x00007ffeb2dd6000)'. was bedeutet das?\n Wo ist \"da\"?\n in der ersten Zeile in der Ausgabe von 'ldd /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcairo.so.2'\n Und was ist das eigentliche Problem?\n irgendwie kann die Lib von einem Programm nicht eingebunden werden\n \"irgendwie\", \"von einem\", \"nicht eingebunden\".\n Was ist das eigentliche Problem?\n warum steht kein Pfad bei linux-vdso.so.1?\n Was ist das eigentliche Problem?\n es existiert kein Problem. hab mir nur gewundert warum kein Pfad bei linux-vdso.so.1 steht. der Grund ist wohl weil bei jedem Prozess der gestartet wird die .so vom Kernel injected wird\n http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man7/vdso.7.html erster Absatz.\n#ubuntu-de 2016-08-07\n ich suche gzcat, bzw einen Weg um das richtige Paket zu finden.\n hmm, das Ding hei\u00c3\u009ft ja zcat\n du m\u00c3\u00b6chtest ein tool, das dir zeigt, in welchem package sich eine datei befindet?\n rsync, k\u00c3\u00b6nnte ich gebrauchen\n doev: apt-file\n oder halt packages.ubuntu.com\n gzcat findet es nur in verschiedenen docs, aber nicht als tool.\n installier dir per apt-get install apt-file\n h\u00c3\u00b6rte letztens, ein do-release-upgrade starte automatisch eine screen/tmux Sitzung. An welcher Stelle sollte dies passieren?\n wie \u00c3\u00bcberpr\u00c3\u00bcfe ich das? Sehen tut man jedenfalls nicht davon\n rsync, habe ich getan, aber apt-file search gzcat findet halt nichts\n hei\u00c3\u009ft ja auch zcat?\n :-)\n immer noch? \n ja, zcat funktioniert wunderbar. Dann ist das wohl das gleiche Tool nur mit anderem Namen.\n zcat ist tats\u00c3\u00a4chlich ein einzeiliger wrapper um gzip\n Ich habe hier ein Apple Magic Trackpad auf 16.04 und m\u00c3\u00b6chte das Klicken deaktivieren. Wenn ich mit synclient oder xinput eine Option setze, hat das aber keinen Effekt. Hat jemand eine Idee, was ich \u00c3\u00bcbersehe?\n johannes1: screen -list\n er, jokrebel \n sdx23: Hmm \"no sockets found\" also l\u00c3\u00a4uft es wohl doch nicht im screen\n<_Doktor_> Wenn ich auf meinen vserver mit eine Email zusenden lassen will, wie geht das? Ich habe ja keinen MTA installiert....\n AVMs Stick&Surf, sprich WLAN-Stick in die Fritzbox , kurz warten & dann in den PC stecken um das WLAN samt Passwort schnell und einfach zu konfigurieren, w\u00c3\u00bcrde das auf Linuxseite dann in wpa-Supplicant oder in Networkmanager geh\u00c3\u00b6ren von der Schicht her?\n Guten Abend, ich habe eine Frage: http://pastebin.com/TV2gQUxJ\n Kurz gesagt, ich versuche Ubuntu \u00c3\u00bcber einen Stick mit einer defekten Tastatur zu installieren.\n Alex_288347, kurz gesagt, besorg dir eine externe tastatur\n warum tut man sich sowas an mit einer defekten Tastatur? Nimm derweil eine von nem anderen Rechner (aber lagfristig sollte der Rechner wohl eh eine \"funktionierende\" bekommen)\n WIe beschrieben, ist eine funktionierende Tastatur nicht in Reichweite. Alternativen?\n Bildschirmtastatur? Aber vielleicht einfach besser abwarten bis neue Tastatur in Reichweite\n was n\u00c3\u00bctzt es, eine Rechner mit \"verbiegungen\" mit einer defekten Tastatur in Betrieb zu bekommen wenn dann das Benutzen auch wieder an der defekten Tastatur scheitern wird?\n Nein, bei einem funktionierendem OS w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich mir die Tasten umlegen (z.B. g und h auf bild auf/bild ab)\n Eine entsprechende M\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit habe ich aber nicht w\u00c3\u00a4hrend der Installation, ich m\u00c3\u00bcsste das an einem anderen Rechner vorkonfigurieren.\n Festplatte ausbaun und in einem anderen Rechner installieren. Sinnvoll find ich es trotzdem nicht. Ne defekte Tastatur geh\u00c3\u00b6rt ausgetauscht. Punkt.\n sch\u00c3\u00b6nen Abend noch und viel Erfolg\n Schade, ich hatte auf eine andere M\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit gehofft. Dennoch danke f\u00c3\u00bcr die Antworten.\n hallo, ben\u00c3\u00b6tige hilfe\n jmd hier der mir helfen k\u00c3\u00b6nnte?\n nicht so lange Du nicht sagst womit Du Hilfe benoetigst, nein \n ich muss notgedrungen ubuntu wieder benutzen. und wurde nicht entt\u00c3\u00a4uscht: Tastatureingabe geht nicht mehr. Kein Tastendruck wird angenommen. Wie zB Geier kann ubuntu eine 0815 Standard cherry Tastatur nicht mehr erkennen? Was ist da los? Kann mich nur noch \u00c3\u00bcber die SW-Tastatur anmelden. Danach l\u00c3\u00a4sst sich nicht mal mehr die SW Tastatur aufrufen. \n und nein an der Tastatur liegts nicht.\n fluffi, das f\u00c3\u00a4ngst du wenig clever an, wenn du hier freundliche hilfe haben m\u00c3\u00b6chtest\n wie ist die tastatur angeschlossen?\n ob freundlich oder nicht, ist mir egal. ich ben\u00c3\u00b6tige nur hilfe. und ich schreibe nur wie es eben ist\n tastatur ist per usb angeschlossen. mit der schreibe ich auch gerade. ubuntu liegt auf einer anderen partition. ubuntu wurde 2 monate nicht mehr benutzt und jetzt wo ich es wieder brauche geht nicht mal mehr das keyboard. war eigentlich zu erwarten...\n fluffi: so kann man nicht wirklich helfen\n welche ubuntu version?\n man muesste mal /var/log/Xorg.0.log sehen, zum Beispiel \n version ist die letzte mit LTS\n fluffi, usb3?\n ja 3.0\n tastatur wurde nie umgesteckt und lief vorher an diesem port\n also hast du die nicht umgesteckt?\n nein\n warum nicht?\n warum sollte ich.\n fluffi, versuch es einfach und steck das ger\u00c3\u00a4t im ideal fall an usb 2.0\n aber es ging doch vorher auch da wo es jetzt ist.\n irgendwie ist mir jetzt mehr nach w\u00c3\u00a4sche machen \u00e2\u0080\u00a6\n ok ich probiers. aber ungern. ich pass mich doch nicht dem ubuntu an. niemals sollte ein OS ein Device wie eine Tastatur einfach so nicht mehr erkennen. sowas muss immer gehen.\n fluffi: gut, wenn Du hier nur ranten willst, bist Du aber falsch\n und um Hilfe zu erhalten ...\n#ubuntu-de 2017-07-31\n \u00c3\u00b6ffnet \n Moin, ich will Dualboot W7/U16 mit einer Partition, auf der ich Daten austauschen kann. Geht das auch mit Verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselung? Nur Veracrypt oder kann Windows auch was vern\u00c3\u00bcnftiges?\n maredebianum: wenn verschl\u00c3\u00bcsselt, dann faktisch nur veracrypt\n Ok, danke, ich habe das bef\u00c3\u00bcrchtet ;)\n Ich habe gerade herumprobiert mit securstick http://www.withopf.com/tools/securstick/ das einen priima Ansatz liefert (executables auf stick, WebDAV f\u00c3\u00bcr lokalen AES-Storage). Hakelt aber ein bisschen, weil Windows zu doof f\u00c3\u00bcr richtiges WebDAV ist (Gr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fenbeschr\u00c3\u00a4nkung der Dateien 50MB, Caching). Und ist etwas unbequem f\u00c3\u00bcr schnelles c&p via Stick. Unter Ubuntu tut nur davfs richtig, da muss man noch extra mo\n Title: Homepage SecurStick (at www.withopf.com)\n ntfs als Dateisystem ist aber OK inzwischen, oder? Habe ich lange nicht mehr von U aus benutzt...\n kommen beide seiten mit zurecht\n und wenn es mal klemmt hast du es mit ubuntu schneller gefixt als mit windows 10\n geht mir jedenfalls so\n moveax: au\u00c3\u009fer ntfs verkleinern, das erinnere ich war von W aus deutlich schneller...\n maredebianum: das mag sein, das war f\u00c3\u00bcr mich noch nicht notwendig\n mir ging es um ntfs-fix\n f\u00c3\u00a4llt jemand was kreatives ein, warum ein bisher problemlos laufender rechner auf einmal nach reboot im schwarzen bildschirm mit cursor stehen bleibt?\n 14.04, intel grafik, total unspektakul\u00c3\u00a4r. genug plattenplatz frei, konsole im recovery modus funktioniert einwandfrei, updates alle gemacht\n alter kernel geht?\n nope\n grub l\u00c3\u00a4dt sauber?\n dann mal von der recovery in die alten dmesg und xorg.log gucken wo es hakt\n dadrc: grub ist sauber, windows tut auch.\n k1l: xorglog ist ne gute idee, thx\n okay, schon mal gut\n dann schauen wir mal :-P\n lightdm main process terminated with exit code 1 :-(\n scheint alles irgendwie am dbus zu h\u00c3\u00a4ngen. lightdm log ist leer, und x-0-greeter.log motzt rum dass er keine verbindung kriegt\n Hallo\n LetoThe2nd, was gefunden?\n reichi?\n bist du reichsbuerger\n https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9r5yU863DI&t=2077s\n Title: #heiseshow: Wann kriegt Linux die Kurve und erobert den Desktop? - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)\n Hm, ich will LVM+ encryption, aber nicht die ganze Platte daf\u00c3\u00bcr nutzen, gibt es da bereits Skripte, die bei der Einrichtung helfen? Alles h\u00c3\u00a4ndisch zu machen, ist recht aufw\u00c3\u00a4ndig, wenn ich mich recht erinnere.\n Oder kann man den Installer entsprechend konfigurieren?\n maredebianum: wenigstens in alternate sollte das gehen. Wobei, wenn du die Systempartition mitverschl\u00c3\u00bcsseln willst, bin ich nicht sicher.\n hi\n keiner da der helfen kann=?\n !frag\n Du brauchst nicht fragen, ob Du fragen darfst oder ob sich jemand auskennt. Das ist zwar h\u00c3\u00b6flich, w\u00c3\u00bcrde aber den Channel sehr zuspammen, wenn dies jeder t\u00c3\u00a4te. Stell besser einfach Deine Frage \u00e2\u0080\u0093 wenn jemand die Antwort kennt, wird er sie Dir nennen.\n wie kann ich meine treiber installieren ich kappiers nicht\n welche treiber?\n grafik z.b\n ja welche genau? f\u00c3\u00bcr intel brauchst du keinen, f\u00c3\u00bcr amd auch nicht wirklich\n k \n deswegen frage ich nach details\n mein problem ich wolte albion online zum laufen bringen bei windows laggt deswegen linux\n aber fps gingen nicht wirklich hoch....\n auch linux macht aus einem trabbi keine rakete\n hmmm kann man da echt nix machen? gro\u00c3\u009f?\n ich wei\u00c3\u009f ja immer noch keine details\n wie kann ich es heraus finden xDDDD?\n was du brauchst? \n welches ubuntu genau? welche graka?\n wo steht das xD? doof aber ich hab gerade kein plan xD\n ist aber dein rechner und dein os? :)\n \"lsb_release -sd\" und \"lspci\"\n Ubuntu Artful Aardvark (development branch)\n amd\n du nutzt eine alpha. da ist es normal, dass dinge nicht so laufen wie gedacht. deswegen gibts daf\u00c3\u00bcr auch nur support in #ubuntu-de+1 oder in #ubuntu+1\n heist ?\n<_moep_> das du dir lieber ein stabiles system aufsetzen solltest\n herld: das ist nicht direkt f\u00c3\u00bcr unerfahrene user gedacht, die sich nicht erst mal selber helfen k\u00c3\u00b6nnen.\n hmm doof dachte das es fl\u00c3\u00bcssig l\u00c3\u00a4uft x.x \n wie is denn der befehl wen ich treiber ziehen will?\n herld: nimm die 17.04 von ubuntu, nicht die 17.10\n dann ist alles stabil und support ist auch hier\n \"alles\"\n herld: warum nimmst du nicht eine finale version von ubuntu, wie 16.04 oder 17.04? bei 17.10 kann jeden tag was nicht funktionieren, da es sehr viele \u00c3\u00a4nderungen gibt. das ist nichts f\u00c3\u00bcr unerfahrene user, die sich dann nicht selber helfen k\u00c3\u00b6nnen\n ok mach ich :) danke\n amd64 ist aber richrtig denke ich oder?\n ja, moderne CPUs sind alle 64bit\n server oder desktop image?\n willst du einen server oder einen desktop installieren?\n ich darf also wieder usb image mache x.x \n herld, nimm 16.04, das wird l\u00c3\u00a4nger supported\n bis das spiel (fl\u00c3\u00bcssig) l\u00c3\u00a4uft, dauert es jedenfalls noch :)\n#ubuntu-de 2017-08-01\n wie bringe ich den netzwerk adapter vboxnet0 dazu schon beim boot in den \"up\" zustand zu gehen?\n http://sprunge.us/UKXM?conf\n das ist meine /etc/network/interfaces\n dadrc: k1l: bei der box von gestern haben wir dann einfach 14.04->16.04 gemacht und tut wieder :-)\n LetoThe2nd: upgrade ftw :D\n k1l: joah\n morgen hab jetzt ubuntu 17.04 install bin hier richtig f\u00c3\u00bcr hilfe?\n jo\n ich hab das problem ich hab linux albion runtergeladen kann es aber nicht ausf\u00c3\u00bchren was mach ich falsch? bzw brauch ich pakett installer?\n linux (albion online < game)\n Was genau gab's denn da zum Download?\n deb? sh? zip? tar.gz?\n Hab grade im Internet ein bisschen geschaut\n du musst die datei ausf\u00c3\u00bchrbar machen \n wie?\n kennst du dich im terminakl ein bisschen aus?\n *terminal\n ja\n gestern hab einfach unter eigenschaften es ausf\u00c3\u00bchrbar gemacht und ging aber das war nicht ubuntu 17.04\n du kannst das auch in ubuntu so machen\n ja aber es passiert nix ... (anwedungsmanager)\n \u00c3\u00b6ffne mal ein terminal im ordner und f\u00c3\u00bchre die Datei mit ./Dateiname aus\n ok\n ./albion-online-setup: Kann die Bin\u00c3\u00a4rdatei nicht ausf\u00c3\u00bchren: Fehler im Format der Programmdatei\n kommt\n muss ich es erst entpacken?\n hm kann das sein, dass du versuchst eine 64Bit Datei auf einem 32Bit Betriebssystem auszuf\u00c3\u00bchren?\n wtf\n heist ich darf wieder von vorne anfangen?\n hab 32 bit\n anscheinend ja\n alles was ich gefunden hab ist dass du ein 64Bit OS brauchst, weil der Client nur 64Bit unterst\u00c3\u00bctzt \n kk\n bis in 2 std ;)\n hom\n chromium webbrowser scheint mir einen schweren fehler zu haben, seit ich heute eben vorhin die systemaktualisierung durchgefuehrt hatte\n jedesmal wenn ich so eine art drop-down-menu anklicke wird friert der browser ein und mein ganzer desktop haengt und ich muss neustarten\n mit firefox geht das einwandfrei\n welches Ubuntu mit welcher Chromiumversion? Hab hier keine Probleme derart\n moment\n ubuntu 16.04 LTS\n Version 59.0.3071.109 (Entwickler-Build) Built on Ubuntu , running on Ubuntu 16.04 (64-Bit)\n about:gpu mal schauen ob hardware beschleunigung verwendet wird. Falls ja evtl. mal canvas beschleunigung in about:flags abschalten oder mal chromium mit nem anderen -use-gl= parameter starten wie z.B. swiftshader (der google eigene opengl kram)\n oxtobear: Ich hab hier mit selbem Ubuntu und selber Chromiumversion keinerlei Probleme. Falls leszek 's Vorschl\u00c3\u00a4ge nichts helfen, mal testhalber alle Erweiterungen deaktivieren ... mit ner Gast- und/oder Inkognitositzung testen. Auch mal in nem Gastaccount oder testhalber neuem User\n flags ist ja ne ziemlich lange liste moment\n ich habe erst \"Accelerated 2D canvas\" deaktiviert und danach noch \"Display list 2D canvas\" auf \"Disabled\" gesetzt, fuer einen kurzen Moment schien das wieder zu funktionieren, dann habe ich Konversation gestartet und mich hier eingeloggt, dann mit Chromium wieder das Problem.\n und bei \"about:gpu\" steht fuer \"Graphics Feature Status\" \"Canvas: Software only. Hardware acceleration disabled\"\n weiss jemand welchen treiber\n man fuer den alc 887 \n installieren muss\n so wieder da danke an alle die geholfen haben albion l\u00c3\u00a4uft zwar nicht fl\u00c3\u00bcssig aber gut :) muss noch viel lernen bei linux aber is ganz cool auf windows liefs garnicht wie geagt danke\n die sache mit dem chromium-webbrowser: da hilft nicht mal \"auf standard-einstellungen zuruecksetzen\"\n welche sache?\n kIl danke hab jetzt ubuntu 17.04 hat geholfen nur weis noch ned wie ich amd treiber aktuell mach ^\n ich hatte heute wieder eine systemaktualisierung, danach hatte es angefangen mit problemen mit chromium\n Guest33870: ist das eine sehr neue amd video karte? wenn nicht, dann hast du schon den treiber im linux kernel\n nein nicht aktuell\n Guest33870: support bitte nur hier im kanal. amd gibt keine extra treiber mehr heraus sondern hilft beim linux kernel mit, dass der amd karten von sich aus unterst\u00c3\u00bctzt. also musst du keinen treiber installieren\n was aber cool w\u00c3\u00a4re wie kann ich albion online mehr leistung geben? irgentwie\n oxtobear: das heisst was genau? \n oxtobear: hast du chromium mal mit einem tempor\u00c3\u00a4ren profil gestartet? (rechtsklick auf den starter und dann ausw\u00c3\u00a4hlen)\n chromium geht ganz normal bis auf diese art pulldownmenu sobald ich einen link aus dem aufgeklappten menu anklicke friert der ein bei ubuntu \n Version 59.0.3071.109 (Entwickler-Build) Built on Ubuntu , running on Ubuntu 16.04 (64-Bit)\n Guest33870: geh mal zu systemsettings, software & updates und dann letzten tab und guck ob du da noch treiber zur auswahl hast.\n nein hab ich nicht\n oxtobear: meinst du ein men\u00c3\u00bc auf webseiten? oder vom browser?\n auf webseiten \n oxtobear: dann versuch mal mit dem tepor\u00c3\u00a4ren profil\n w\u00c3\u00a4re nicht das erste mal, dass das ein addon schuld w\u00c3\u00a4re\n da steht das es altanativen treiber benutzt f\u00c3\u00bcr amd und da hab hacken vorhin rein gemacht ^^\n beispielsweise https://www.spiele-offensive.de/ dort dann die maus zb auf \"spielernetzwerk\" fahren und ein menupunkt anklicken\n Title: Brettspiele, Kartenspiele und Gesellschaftsspiele im Shop der Spiele-Offensive.de (at www.spiele-offensive.de)\n mit firefox hingegen klappt das und ich wuesste nix von add ons da ich keine installiere\n oxtobear: klappt hier. versuch echt mal mit dem tempor\u00c3\u00a4ren profi\n l\n okay moment\n re .. wieder nix :(\n selbst im temporaeren modus\n komisch. hast du denn addons laufen? hast du java installiert?\n mir ist nicht bewusst, addons installiert zu haben, es sei denn durch die systemaktualisierung\n guck halt nach\n wo denn?\n einstellungen, weitere tools, erwiterungen\n okay \"disable autoplay youtube\" ist aktiv\n sonst steht da noch flashplayer for youtube inaktiv\n mach die mal auf disabled und neustarte dann den chromium\n ok dann wieder das mit den menus testen\n du musst nicht immer alles neustarten\n nein der ganze pc friert immer ein so dass ich nur neustarten kann\n achso\n was ist die ausgabe von \"update-java-alternatives -l\"\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/25221582/\n Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)\n hmm, k.a. was dann da bei dir vermurkst ist\n okay schade\n aber danke fuer die muehe\n gibts in den alten syslog dateien etwas in /var/log?\n moment\n oder in der .xsession-errors im home?\n du kannst auch mal ein terminal aufmachen und von da aus den chromium starten und gucken was der da so f\u00c3\u00bcr meldungen reinschreibt.\n in var log nix\n aeh wie mache ich das?\n .config/chromium hattest du mal umbenannt?\n ich wuesste nicht .. einfach im terminal so eingebn \".config/chromium\"?\n und das xsession\n nein\n das waren 3 verschiedene sachen\n im terminal starten: terminal \u00c3\u00b6ffnen, dann \"chromium-browser\" eingeben und enter dr\u00c3\u00bccken\n wobei, gib mal \"chromium-browser --enable-logging --v=1\" ein dann schreibt der das in eine datei\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/25221638/\n Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)\n welche graka hast du da und welchen treiber?\n gibt es da auch ein terminal-befehl fuer?\n sonst muss ich so suchen\n lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 \n nvidia? http://paste.ubuntu.com/25221659/\n Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)\n gibts da nen grund warum du nicht den nvidia treiber nutzt von ubuntu?\n geh mal zu system settings, software and update, und dann den letzten tab\n den vorletzten meinst du?\n zusaetzliche treiber?\n ja\n oh okay da habe ich 3 nvidia-treiber zur auswahl\n 2 binary driver proprietaer . davon 1 getestet und dann noch 1 legacy binary driver\n nimm mal den getestetn.\n ok mom\n aenderungen wurden uebernommen ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/25221713/\n Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)\n danach musst du neustarten f\u00c3\u00bcr den treiber\n achso den pc neustarten?\n neu einloggen sollte eigentlich reichen\n ok bis gleich\n re .. jetzt befinden sich dateien in der /var/log ... und die anderen sachen geben aus: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25221759/\n Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)\n oxtobear: crasht es jetzt mit dem neuen treiber noch?\n mal gucken\n nein! es scheint jetzt zu gehen\n danke mann!\n ok\n :)\n gute nacht\n k1l\n kann ich albion (sein prozess) hochschrauben?\n das wird dir nicht viel mehr bringen\n kann ich garnichts mehr machen?\n das einzige was etwas helfen kann sind nach dem video treiber gucken. aber ansonsten hilft immer sehr viel: eine ssd, und mehr ram\n k video treiber\n wie find ich das raus?\n lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 \n VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Wrestler [Radeon HD 6320] [1002:9806]\n \tSubsystem: Toshiba America Info Systems Wrestler [Radeon HD 6320] [1179:fd3c]\n also radeon HD 6000 reihe runter laden\n nein. das ist kein windows, wo man einfach irgendwas runterl\u00c3\u00a4dt\n hab den treiber :)\n das ist eine arsch lahme karte von 2010. da ist meine eingebaute intel graka schneller: http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-HD-4000-Mobile-125-GHz-vs-AMD-Radeon-HD-6320/m7653vsm8103\n Title: UserBenchmark: AMD Radeon HD 6320 vs Intel 4000 (Mobile 1.25 GHz) (at gpu.userbenchmark.com)\n ich weis xD ... was soll ich jetzt tun?\n dich mit deinem trabbi abfinden oder was aktuelles kaufen, wenn du dich damit nicht abfinden willst.\n danke...\n schraub die graka einstellungen bei deinem spiel runter.\n#ubuntu-de 2017-08-02\n moin\n ich hab mal ne Frage: ich hab im Nautilus ein Kontext Men\u00c3\u00bc \"Im Terminal \u00c3\u00b6ffnen\" das geht mit einem Rechtsklick in einen ordner, der offen ist. Wenn ich das aber in der Listenansicht mache, wird sofort ne Datei markiert und dann geht das nicht mehr, also nur in der Icon ansicht. Gibts da nen Trick?\n stevieh: w\u00c3\u00bcsste nicht\n ich bef\u00c3\u00bcrchtete das fast.\n Also, halt ein Verzeichnis nach oben und da das Kontextmen\u00c3\u00bc benutzen, aber das ist nicht so richtig sch\u00c3\u00b6n\n oder halt auf iconsicht umschalten... auch nicht so sch\u00c3\u00b6n, aber gibts auch nen Shortcut\n Backspace ist \"nach oben\"\n https://askubuntu.com/questions/68078/keyboard-shortcut-for-open-a-terminal-here man k\u00c3\u00b6nnte auch einen shortcut anlegen\n Title: nautilus - Keyboard shortcut for \"open a terminal here\" - Ask Ubuntu (at askubuntu.com)\n mal guggen\n hmm... ausser, dass es nix n\u00c3\u00bctzt hab ich alles hinbekommen :-)\n was mir schon mal auffiel: nautilus-open-terminal scheint es in 17.04 gar nicht mehr zu geben... ich habs zwar noch, aber weiss nicht mehr wovon :-)\n das m\u00c3\u00bcsste jetzt im paket nautilus-actions sein\n yep, seh ich grad. mal guggen\n wo ist denn mein \"Im Terminal \u00c3\u00b6ffnen\" wohl her?\n stevieh: aus nautilus-open-terminal\n das ist aber nicht mehr installiert.\n stevieh: aber es war installiert ?\n und?\n es war wohl installiert... \n wenn du es deinstalliert hast ohne nautilus zu beenden, k\u00c3\u00b6nnte der eintrag im kontextmen\u00c3\u00bc ein gecachter Eintrag sein, der verschwindet sobald du nautilus komplett neustartest\n ne, das hatte ich schon 100 mal durchgestartet.\n wie aktiviere ich ctrl + alt + backspace in 17.04?\n moveax: warum nutzt du nicht Alt+Druck+k ? (Stichwort magic-sysrq-keys)\n leszek: alt+druck+k tut auch nichts\n ich hab hier einen kaby lake der ab und an mal crasht\n da aber sound weiter l\u00c3\u00a4uft und der mauszeiger, sonst aber nichts bedienbar ist, will ich die grafische oberfl\u00c3\u00a4che komplett neustarten\n uff ja dann stellt ubuntu das auch ab xD\n als root bzw. sudo kannst du die magic-sysrq-keys mit sysctl -w kernel.sysrq=1 wieder aktivieren\n moveax: als root bzw. sudo kannst du die magic-sysrq-keys mit sysctl -w kernel.sysrq=1 wieder aktivieren\n ok, alt + druck + r, e, i, s, u, b\n geht\n jo ubuntu hat den rest deaktiviert per default scheinbar\n ist die \u00c3\u00a4nderung permanent?\n oder muss das bei jedem startup gemacht werden?\n moveax: generell w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich aber wohl eher das einfrieren problem l\u00c3\u00b6sen. Oder was genau passiert da ?\n leszek: ich finde nichts im kernel log / system log\n moveax: das -w schreibt es in die config und macht es permanent\n ich muss auch immer neu starten und komme auch mit strg alt f1 nicht an ein terminal\n deswegen kann ich nicht in dmesg schauen\n und wollte x neustarten damit dmesg nicht verloren geht\n moment, ich teste mal gerade\n root@devbuntu:~/repos/sdl-ops# sudo sysctl -w kernel.sysrq=1kernel.sysrq = 1\n moveax: ich vermute der intel treiber friert ein. Aber moment einmal verwendest du \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt den intel ddx oder ist es gar gallium/drm ?\n \u00c3\u00a4hm, ich hab da die default installation von ubuntu gnome 17.04\n https://pastebin.com/sT6iZY5V\n Title: root@devbuntu:~/repos/sdl-ops# dpkg -l | grep intel ii intel-microcode - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)\n sprich du wei\u00c3\u009ft es nicht. Installier mal inxi oder so etwas und schau dir an was f\u00c3\u00bcr ein treiber verwendet wird. (Inxi ist ein konsolen info tool. inxi -v4 zeigt dir alles an was du wissen musst)\n gallium findet er garnicht bei dpkg\n nur der output oben\n ja gallium ist kein eigenes paket. Es steckt im xserver quasi\n und der intel treiber kann installiert sein, aber ubuntu hat einen gepatchten x-server der den nicht immer nutzt\n https://pastebin.com/qt2epxXs\n Title: root@devbuntu:~/repos/sdl-ops# inxi -v4 System: Host: devbuntu Kernel: 4.10. - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)\n moveax: wow \"driver: N/A\" sowas hatte ich auch noch nicht xD\n Grafiktreiber: nein\n und nun? :\n :D\n Pastebin mal bitte `glxinfo`\n moveax: lspci -v | grep -i vga -A 10 hoffentlich zeigt das was f\u00c3\u00bcr ein Treiber in verwendung ist\n https://pastebin.com/syu8M5C4\n Title: root@devbuntu:~/repos/sdl-ops# glxinfo name of display: :0 display: :0 screen - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)\n https://pastebin.com/CRDkN7BF\n Title: root@devbuntu:~/repos/sdl-ops# lspci -v | grep -i vga -A 10 00:02.0 VGA compati - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)\n jupp, da sind beide ausgaben\n Sieht aus wie i915, aber konkret steht es nicht drin :(\n moveax: mach mal -A in dem von mir genannten Befehl gr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fer also z.B. 20\n moment, ich lasse den chef mal die prozessorbezeichnung raussuchen\n der hatte bestellt\n leszek: mom\n Das ist ein i7-7400\n moveax: prozessorbezeichnung ist nicht so wichtig. Treiber in use viel mehr\n https://pastebin.com/xRS27XXc\n Title: root@devbuntu:~/repos/sdl-ops# lspci -v | grep -i vga -A 25 00:02.0 VGA compati - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)\n i915\n i5-7400\n ok\n ok nun noch /var/log/Xorg.0.log auf pastebin\n klar\n https://pastebin.com/mrbxbA1G\n Title: root@devbuntu:~/repos/sdl-ops# cat /var/log/ alternatives.log apport.log. - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)\n hab ich keine\n hmm... strange\n l\u00c3\u00a4uft bei dir \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt der X-Server ? \n idk, ubuntu 17.04 gnome hab ich installiert\n https://pastebin.com/qdqPEJvx\n Title: root@devbuntu:~/repos/sdl-ops# cat /var/log/gpu-manager.log log_file: /var/log - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)\n ich dachte alles grafische geht \u00c3\u00bcber X, kann aber auch sein das ich da nicht up2date bin\n ewig kein desktop system mit linux gehabt\n Naja wayland w\u00c3\u00a4re ne m\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit\n ahjo, da h\u00c3\u00b6rte ich mal was von\n moveax: kurz schleichwerbung mal auf radiotux.de reinh\u00c3\u00b6ren, wenn du mehr zu wayland erfahren m\u00c3\u00b6chtest. Wir hatten da ne komplette Sendung aufgenommen\n moveax: ps aux | grep xorg zeigt ob Xorg l\u00c3\u00a4uft\n https://pastebin.com/NSMs7m1F\n Title: root@devbuntu:~/repos/sdl-ops# loginctl SESSION UID USER - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)\n ganz komisch\n /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg vt2 -displayfd 3 -auth /run/user/1000/gdm/Xauthority -background none -noreset -keeptty -verbose 3\n jupp\n ps zeigt Xorg\n leszek: gerne\n wieso legt es keine Xorg.0.log mehr an ... \n leszek: https://pastebin.com/zJT02YXN\n Title: patrick@devbuntu:~/repos/sdl-ops$ cat ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log [ 8.21 - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)\n die sind jetzt woanders\n gdm hat da bei den logfiles ein paar sachen ge\u00c3\u00a4ndert. bzw redhat hat da einiges bei gdm ge\u00c3\u00a4ndert\n ah xD\n rootles Xorg, dass ich das noch mal in echt sehen darf \n bin mal 5 minuten afk\n moveax: ok vom log file sieht man das gallium/modeset/drm als treiber verwendet wird\n du k\u00c3\u00b6nntest mal den xorg intel treiber versuchen\n ah ok\n da brauch ich wahrscheinlich ein bestimmtest paket?\n moveax: ne hier die config reicht. Das AccelMethod UXA (also die Zeile) braucht du nicht unbedingt. Nur wenn es ohne zu gleichen Probs kommt: https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Grafikkarten/Intel/#Leistungs-oder-Darstellungsprobleme\n Title: Intel \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Grafikkarten \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n also nur identifier udn driver\n ich hab die config files nicht\n moveax: die config musst du erstellen\n /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d\n achso\n und dann einmal neu hochfahren\n brb\n so\n schau mal in der Xorg.0.log ob der intel treiber auch verwendet wird und nicht weiter modesetting\n [ 11.366] (II) intel(0): EDID vendor \"DEL\", prod id 61510\n [ 11.366] (II) intel(0): Using EDID range info for horizontal sync\n [ 11.366] (II) intel(0): Using EDID range info for vertical refresh\n sieht gut aus oder?\n [ 10.966] (II) LoadModule: \"intel\"\n [ 10.966] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so\n [ 10.968] (II) Module intel: vendor=\"X.Org Foundation\"\n ja sieht gut aus\n hoffentlich klappt es damit besser und es gibt keine freezes mehr\n warum hat er denn von sich aus nicht den intel treiber genommen?\n k1l: w\u00c3\u00bcsste ich auch gerne\n generell hatte ich aber von problemen mit den neuen kaby lakes gelesen\n leszek: kannst du mir nochmal den link von vorhin mit der config pasten? hatte vergessen zu bookmarken\n und danke :) ich geb in ein paar tagen mal ein statement \u00c3\u00bcber die freezes ab\n https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Grafikkarten/Intel/#Leistungs-oder-Darstellungsprobleme\n Title: Intel \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Grafikkarten \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n sudo ifconfig vboxnet0 up\n ^ wie kann ich das automatisieren beim boot?\n k1l: debian und somit auch ubuntu patchen den xserver das alles ab ivy bridge den modesettings treiber nutzt und nicht automatisch intel\n vielleicht sogar schon sandy bridge\n moveax: sollte das nicht mit der vbox starten?\n leszek: ist das wegen der fehlendenden firmware von intel?\n k1l: tut es seit dem letzten update nicht mehr\n k1l: ne das ist wegen der fehlenden stabilit\u00c3\u00a4t auf neueren karten und weil intel immer noch bei 2.9 irgendwas rumgurkt und man als distro hersteller quasi auf git schauen muss ob neue commits da sind, weil es keine neuen point releases von intel gibt\n leszek: ah ok\n moveax: dann ist aber was anderes kaputt\n k1l: module habe ich bereits neu gebaut\n hrrm, leszek jetzt hab ich schwarze balken am flackern\n :/\n aber nur im chrome in der men\u00c3\u00bcleiste\n ganz komisch\n vll probiere ich nachher mal die uax option\n jupp\n leszek: die uax option hats gebracht\n uxa meinst du. Ok nice. UXA sollte aber auf den neueren Chips etwas weniger performance liefern\n jau\n ich brauch nicht viel grafikperformance\n netflix und fertig\n danke\n hmm... also ich bekomm keinen shortcut f\u00c3\u00bcr \"open in Terminal\" im nautilus 3.20.4 unter Ubuntu 17.04 hin. Aber ich weiss auch noch nicht mal, wo mein \"open in terminal\" dort her kommt...\n ok, nautilus actions\n Wie bekommt man bei grub V1.99-21 die Reihenfolge hin. ich wei\u00c3\u009f das ich im /etc/grub.d/30-osprober zahlenm\u00c3\u00a4\u00c3\u009fig nach vorne bekomme. Aber er setzt dann /dev/sda1 nach vorne und das ist in dem Fall Windows7 recovery.\n Und nicht /dev/sda2 Windows 7 \u00e2\u0086\u0092 das w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich gerne booten an erster Stelle\n Habs glaub gefunden\n dreamon_: Falls nicht; Du willst besser die /etc/default/grub bearbeiten und ein update-grub durchf\u00c3\u00bchren\n jokrebel, Genau.. dort default = X einstellen. \n siehe hierzu auch https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/GRUB_2/Konfiguration/\n Title: Konfiguration \u00e2\u0080\u00ba GRUB 2 \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n Hatte mich zusehr auf die Reihenfolge versteift\n connect irc://irc.freenode.net/freeswitch-de\n memphis: fast. \n memphis: vermutlich /join #freeswitch-de weil auf freenode bist Du schon \n ganze 7 Leute! Ui \n danke\n #freeswitch hat ein paar mehr, 207 mehr um genau zu sein, waere dann aber wohl Englisch \n Kann man dieses PDF mit Firefox unter Ubuntu nicht im Web ausf\u00c3\u00bcllen? https://www.gruenderkueche.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/kfw-Checkliste-4-Liquiditaetsplan.pdf\n empedokles78: hast du mal oben die meldung beachtet?\n Welche Meldung meinste?\n ich bekomme im firefox am oberen ende der website ein meldung: das pdf dokument enth\u00c3\u00a4lt formulare. das ausf\u00c3\u00bcllen wird nicht unterst\u00c3\u00bctzt.\n das dokument hat einen hinweis\n aha, ja jetzt sehe ich ihn, sch\u00c3\u00a4tze aber, dass es unter windows funktioniert.\n ff benutzt pdf.js auf allen plattformen\n und auf keiner funktioniert es ordentlich :) nimm einfach einen nativen pdf viewer.\n ist ja ein pdf viewer und kein formular ausf\u00c3\u00bcller\n okay, mit dem internen betrachter funktioniert das automatische summieren auch nicht.\n (dokumentbetrachter).\n sowas in ein pdf zu stecken ist ja auch s\u00c3\u00bcnde\n das geh\u00c3\u00b6rt in ein ods\n kennt ihr irgendein client/agent-push-basiertes Monitoring f\u00c3\u00bcr Ubuntu?\n leszek, stimmt, ich habe auch etwas in excel gefunden, wollte aber den mechanismus vergleichen.\n mpathy: das geh\u00c3\u00b6rt hier zwar eigentlich nicht rein, aber zabbix kann das zb\n Naja wo geh\u00c3\u00b6rt es dann rein? Ich such was f\u00c3\u00bcr Ubuntu.. Und es gibt ja schlie\u00c3\u009flich keinen Channel #jedesmonitoringfuerlinuxsammelchannel ;) aber danke dir!\n mpathy: w\u00c3\u00a4re halt eher was f\u00c3\u00bcr's offtopic, aber du hast ja deine antwort ;)\n offtopic dachte ich w\u00c3\u00a4re die Laberecke bei Sachen die mit dem System nix zu tun haben,.. okay\n meddl\n#ubuntu-de 2017-08-03\n I need the wget command to download all *.epub files from this site https://galileo.mailstation.de/library . Thank you 1 bazillion times. disclaimer: I tried --help, manpage, user agent, recursive etc. nothing helped.\n Title: Index of /library (at galileo.mailstation.de)\n wget -A epub -m -p -E -k -K -np https://galileo.mailstation.de/library\n Title: Index of /library (at galileo.mailstation.de)\n hellofriend_: it's untested, but found it at stackoverflow\n https://stackoverflow.com/a/30612392/1969313\n Title: recursion - Download all files of a particular type from a website using wget - Stack Overflow (at stackoverflow.com)\n Danke. Da war ich auch schon. Funzt net. In dem Befehl fehlen auch die Level\n ah\n wget -A epub -r\n Hab alles \"abgegoggelt\"\n *gegoogelt. Es geht hier um jede Menge Ebooks auf deutsch. Wer eine L\u00c3\u00b6sung findet, pofitiert auch f\u00c3\u00bcr sich ;D\n ich habs mir jetzt lange genug angeschaut, aber jetzt reichts. offensichtliche aufrufe zu illeaglen inhalten werden hier nicht gern gesehen.\n oehm\n war f\u00c3\u00bcr mich nicht offensichtlich illegal\n aber ok, sehe ich ein\n hey callinne, wenn du thunderbird auch f\u00c3\u00bcr irc nutzt, dann solltest du den nicht dauernd zumachen :)\n kann ich , wenn ich ubnutu von usb stick starte mit dem programm \"laufwerke\" ein image auf eine sd karte schreiben ? normal erfordert dass ja die eingabe des passworts und bei nem live image hat man glaub icih doch keines oder ?\n ja kann man\n super\n einfach sudo\n nein\n 1. startet man desktop programme nicht mit sudo. 2. ist die live cd extra darauf ausgelegt, dass man eben keinen benutzer in dem sinne hat. \n Guten Abend. http://paste.ubuntu.com/25234000/\n Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)\n Eigentlich dachte ich das UEFI im Bios deaktiviert zu haben.\n Mir fehlen s\u00c3\u00a4mtliche Desktop buttons dachte, eine Systemaktualisierung k\u00c3\u00b6nnte nicht schaden. \n So stie\u00c3\u009f ich auf diesen Fehler.\n hast du nach dem install von uefi auf bios umgestellt?\n mach mal ein \"[ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS\" im terminal und sag was die ausgabe ist\n k1l_, Ich meine es im Bios abgeschaltet zu haben. \n Ausgabe lautet: BIOS\n also hast du es nach dem install umgeschaltet?\n W\u00c3\u00a4re m\u00c3\u00b6glich. Sorry ich wei\u00c3\u009f es nicht mehr\n ja hat es denn einne grund? weil du bootest im bios modus, der grub ist aber im uefi modus\n Ich hab Parallel mal Arch installiert. Und da wohl umgestellt. W\u00c3\u00a4re denkbar. \n Kann ich Ubuntu umstellen, so das es ohne Uefi bootet?\n gegenfrage: warum stellst du nicht einfach auf uefi? :)\n Weil ich vermute das mir dann Arch nicht mehr bootet ;)\n kannst du mal ein \"sudo parted -l\" in einne pastebin packen?\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/25234169/ \u00e2\u0086\u0092 beides auf der 1TB drauf\n Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)\n Wenn es ein zu gro\u00c3\u009fer Aufwand w\u00c3\u00a4re, w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich halt im Bios umschalten.\n Jetzt kann ich beide OS starten. Ubuntu schimpft nur wenn ich aktualisiere.\n zeig noch mal bitte ein \"cat /etc/fstab\"\n geht darum ob es eine efi partition ist und diese per fstab gemountet wird.\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/25234183/\n Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)\n ok, das war auf jeden fall ein uefi install bei ubuntu\n also du musst dir den grub-common isntallieren\n k1l_, Was hat das mit dem mounten zu tun? Gr\u00c3\u00bcbel\n das grub uefi setup ist anders als das bios grub setup, da uefi z.b. eigene partitionen hat\n https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/GRUB_2/Installation/#Neuinstallation-im-laufenden-System\n Title: Installation \u00e2\u0080\u00ba GRUB 2 \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n apt-get install grub-common \u00e2\u0086\u0092 Fehler traten auf beim Bearbeiten von: grub-efi-amd64-signed\n Sollte ich nicht vorher Uefi entfernen. Sorry ist mir im Moment zu hoch.\n Alles unter dem Punkt durchgehen? (neuinstallation im laufenden system)\n nicht nur die commands kopiere, bitte den abschnitt lesen\n Ok, habs entfernt und neu installiert. Ich reboote mal. Daumen hoch\n k1l, Danke hat funktioniert. \n ok\n kl1_: Ich mach nicht dauern zu. Hier bricht nur ab und an die Verbindung ab. Mal das WLAN, mal das Freifunk VPN\n So nun weiss der Rest es auch ;-)\n Hi, wo kann ich bei KMail 5.2.3. ausw\u00c3\u00a4hlen von welchen Konto die E-Mail gesendet wird wenn ich auf \"neue Nachricht\" gehe?\n#ubuntu-de 2017-08-04\n Mahlzeit ;)\n moin moin leute\n ich habe hier ein ernstes problem. Aus irgend einem Grund kann ich nicht mehr auf alle partitionen auf meiner HDD zugreifen.\n Ich habe auf einem Laptop Dual boot laufen mit zum einen Windows 10 und zum anderen Ubuntu.\n Hatte alles funktioniert bis jetzt\n m4rcell0: auch nicht vom Live-System aus, und Windows zeigt sie ebenfalls nicht mehr an?\n Ich habe ein normales apt-get update und upgrade durchgef\u00c3\u00bchrt\n reboot\n Und grub schlie\u00c3\u009ft die win 10 partition nicht mehr ein \n dann habe ich nachgeschaut, ob die partitionen eingeh\u00c3\u00a4ngt sind\n mach mal ein \"sudo update-grub\"\n der load ist gefunden worden\n loader\n ich mach ein reboot und meld mich wieder\n da bin ich wieder\n hat geklappt\n danke f\u00c3\u00bcr die Hilfe\n <3\n :D\n ok\n hey, was kann ich da machen https://snag.gy/oU7Mwz.jpg und welche informationen braucht ihr noch um das problem zu l\u00c3\u00b6sen?\n was machst du da denn \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt?\n k1l_: wollte sms schreiben\n bekomme keine verbindung\n geh mal davon aus das du mich meintest\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/25239517/\n Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)\n ubu: ja ich meinte dich. aber so richtig details hast du noch nicht rausgehaun :)\n ja also die verbindung ansich funktioniert nur nicht via wammu\n ubu: ist das handy mit dem pc verbunden? via BT/kabel/? oder ist da direkt ne sim karte im rechner drinne?\n aso sry \u00c3\u00bcber bt\n issn altes sony und der stick: Bus 003 Device 002: ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode)\n !gammu\n Informationen zu Gammu finden sich im Wiki unter http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Gammu\n os 12.04 lts x64\n hast du es eingerichtet wie dort beschrieben?\n ich schau mal, nein\n Dieser Artikel wurde f\u00c3\u00bcr die folgenden Ubuntu-Versionen getestet: Ubuntu 16.04 Xenial Xerus\n 12.04 ist auch schon tot seit einiger zeit. \n ^\n in diesem Artikel wird auf die Kommandozeilenversion eingegangen.\n ja\n k1l_: hab da noch ne allgemeine frage, was muss ich hier ausw\u00c3\u00a4hlen? https://snag.gy/rVI98y.jpg\n verbindungstyp..\n wobei die frage auch f\u00c3\u00bcr die config wichtig ist sehe ich gerade...\n ja, ich glaube du willst dir mal den wiki eintrag durchlesen und dann auch mal selber bei gammu/wammu auf der seite durchlesen was das alles bedeutet\n k\n k1l_: nicht in der liste = nicht unterst\u00c3\u00bctzt ?\n w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich mal so sagen. in der faq dort war ein teil zu \"was ist wenn mein handy nicht in de rliste ist\"\n#ubuntu-de 2017-08-05\n ich installiere gerae ubuntu, bei der auswahl der Tastaturbelegung ist weiter ausgegraut egal welche Tastaturbelegung ich ausw\u00c3\u00a4hle\n was muss ich tun damit es weitergeht?\n zeitzone?\n es wurde festgeegt wie die festplatte genutzt wird?\n festgelegt\n Ich habe 16.04. Ich brauche 14.04.1 wegen fglrx (AMD-Treiber). Wie f\u00c3\u00bchre ich das ohne Hilfsmittel durch?\n Dateien sind bereits gesichert, eine Neuinstallation ist ok. Google hilft mir nicht, oder ich suche nach dem falschen Schl\u00c3\u00bcsselwort.\n (Hilfsmittel = USB/CD, etc)\n huhu guten morgen kann mir hier jemand helfen?\n Wei\u00c3\u009f Jemand wie man die darstellung der Fenster zum Umschalten \u00c3\u00a4ndert, wenn man alt+Tab dr\u00c3\u00bcckt? Fenster gleichen typs werden da ja \"geb\u00c3\u00bcndelt\" und das Symbol bekommt dann so Striche an der Seite. Bsp: 3 Terminal Fenster werden unter ienem Terminal Symbol zusammengefasst\n f\u00c3\u00bcr schnelleres umschalten m\u00c3\u00b6chte ich aber die Gruppierungen aufheben\n Kommt auf die Desktopumgebung an\n also ls /usr/bin/*session gibt /usr/bin/dbus-run-session und /usr/bin/gnome-session\n zur\u00c3\u00bcck. also gnome?\n Du erkennst nicht, ob du ein Gnome vor der Nase hast?\n nein. \n Was hast du denn installiert?\n wei\u00c3\u009f ich nicht mehr. sonst k\u00c3\u00b6nnte ich es mir ja selbst beantworten :)\n steht das nicht irgendwo?\n sicher, probier mal echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP\n unity!\n (danke)\n Und welche Ubuntuversion? (`lsb_release -a` sollte dir das sagen)\n 16.04\n noojin: klingt nach dem, was du suchst: https://askubuntu.com/questions/123977/how-to-ungroup-windows-on-task-switcher\n Title: unity - How to ungroup windows on task switcher? - Ask Ubuntu (at askubuntu.com)\n jo, das sollte funktionieren, danach hatte ich auch gerade gesucht\n ich probiers mal. gut zu wissen das das ding task switcher hei\u00c3\u009ft!\n danke\n sieht etwas weird aus aber funktioniert\n Guten morgen\n @tomreyn jetzt muss ich aber lachen \n magicline: hmm? \n wir hatten uns vor ner weile in ubuntu-kernel \u00c3\u00bcber mein sata problem unterhalten \n magicline: okay, und?\n das w\u00c3\u00a4re wohl auch auf deutsch m\u00c3\u00b6glich gewesen \n und das problem hat sich f\u00c3\u00bcr mich auch erledigt hab jetzt ne z270 kaby lake platform \n magicline: achso, ja, w\u00c3\u00a4re wohl auch auf deutshc m\u00c3\u00b6glich gewesen, wenn du im deutschsprachigen channel danach gefragt h\u00c3\u00a4ttest ;)\n hi\n mein openvpn sagt es benutzt tls, aber wireshark behauptet es schickt (unsicher) sslv2 pakete\n wie kann ich rausfinden, was es wirklich benutzt?\n frundo: indem du dir den handshake genau anschaust\n huhu, cih will mir endlich mal ein Skript bauen um mehrere Programme zu installieren hab auch im wiki reingeschaut. leider ist der anfang schon schwer\n ich hab das skript mit #! /bin/bash angefangen aber ich kann wenn ich doppelklick drauf machen nicht sehen ob es l\u00c3\u00a4uft oder nicht weil sich kein terminal fenster \u00c3\u00b6ffnet, wo ist da mein fehler?\n der handshake wird nicht angezeigt, kann es an der lzo-compression der pakete liegen?\n alle ssl-pakete werden nur als 'continuation data' angezeigt\n verstehe grad nur bahnhof sorry\n mach doch ein terminal-fenster auf und tipp dann den namen der skripte ein\n z.b. ./meinskript.sh\n also genau genommen hab ich so den anfang gemacht #! /bin/bash ./install.sh\n man kann sich die instalationsdaten der ben\u00c3\u00b6tigten programme irgendwie abspeichern wenn das hilft\n um welche programme geht es denn?\n wahrscheinlich keine, die man \u00c3\u00bcber apt-get installieren kann?\n mc qmmp mirc usw und sofort\n geht alles \u00c3\u00bcber apt-get aber wollt mir das mal durch ein skript vereinfachen\n poste doch mal das script auf pastebin \n https://pastebin.com/AeZfZ9HR\n Title: Install.sh - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)\n also im terminal kann ich es ausf\u00c3\u00bchren und wird mir auch angezeigt. aber wen ich von schreibtisch aus doppel klicke wird mir kein terminal angezeigt oder sonst was!\n Phantom1005: nimm in der ersten Zeile alles nach #!/bin/bash mal weg\n das geh\u00c3\u00b6rt da nicht hin\n ok hab ich weg genommen\n der anfang ist ja sehr schwierig\n ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde vor dem apt install noch ein apt-get update machen\n wenn nichts dagegen spricht, die paketquellen zu aktualisieren\n tcho komisch nautilus fragt momentan nicht ob ausf\u00c3\u00bchrbare dateien oder auch scripte im terminal gestartet werden sollen \n das hab ich raus mit unity das man im dateimanager das \u00c3\u00a4ndern muss bevor scripts funktionieren\n frundo: https://pastebin.com/AKxuVdt5\n Title: #!/bin/bash sudo apt-get update sudo apt install mc qmmp uget dosbox - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)\n sehr gut\n ich kann mich aber sehr gut entsinnen das nautilus fr\u00c3\u00bcher gefragt hat was er mit shell scripten machen soll \n ja das war noch eine sch\u00c3\u00b6ne sache mit nautilus\n bei mir funktioniert lxterminal --working-directory=. --command=\"./skript.sh\"\n als befehl\n wd muss man eventuell anpassen\n na jetzt wei\u00c3\u009f ich wenigstens das in der ersten zeile bei mir doch sh ./Installatiosnskript.sh mit rein muss sonst funzt das irgend wie nicht im test!\n wei\u00c3\u009ft du denn, was das macht?\n ein experiment l\u00c3\u00a4sst gr\u00c3\u00bc\u00c3\u009fen heute ;)\n also nach der Bash anleitung soll es ein Shebang sein. wen ich es weg lasse startet er das skript nicht im terminal grad ausgetestet\n welche datei soll denn ./Installatiosnskript.sh sein ?\n Phantom1005: die shebang ist dein #!/bin/bash\n Frickelpit: ah ok\n das ist dein Interpreter, welcher angibt, was du nutzen willst (hier die bash)\n wird das dann nicht sogar rekursiv?\n sh ./Installationsskript.sh ist nichts anderes, als ein Befehl f\u00c3\u00bcr die Shell, welcher angibt das Script mit /bin/sh auszuf\u00c3\u00bchren\n naja, vielleicht auch nicht - weil die bash das so nicht ausf\u00c3\u00bchrt\n jo eben \n Phantom1005: ergo, alles nach der shebang in der ersten Zeile ist Quark. \n doch tut sie - also lieber nicht\n dachte man braucht da -c f\u00c3\u00bcr\n was jetzt?!?\n das ist voodoo und \u00c3\u00bcberfl\u00c3\u00bcssig \n wenn du #!/bin/bash ./skript.sh benutzt, wird genau das als shebang aufgerufen - und ruft dann wieder /bin/bash ./skript.sh auf\n die erste zeile ist wie gesagt die sheebang in der du angibst welchen interpreter du verwenden willst , also wenn du einen anderen als den standart interpreter verwenden willst \n im prinzip kannste selbst die sheebang weglassen und das script sollte funktionieren \n und immer so weiter\n Phantom1005: Eine Shebang ist sinnvoll, wenn man bestimmte Funktionen ben\u00c3\u00b6tigt, f\u00c3\u00bcr ein 'sudo apt install foo' brauchst du nichtmals eine, da w\u00c3\u00bcrde der Befehl alleine schon reichen.\n wenn du allerdings Funktionen der bash haben willst, dann packste die halt rein.\n Frickelpit: also wen ich zb. will das dass terminal mit ge\u00c3\u00b6ffnet haben will geh\u00c3\u00b6rt es zur shebang?\n naja, du musst in deinem script etwas einbauen, was ein Terminal \u00c3\u00b6ffnet. Ein simples apt install kann ja auch im Hintergrund laufen.\n z.B. k\u00c3\u00b6nntest du dein script so gestalten, dass du gefragt wirst, welche Pakete installiert werden sollen und diese dann als Argument \u00c3\u00bcbergeben werden.\n Frickelpit: ah ok\n @Phantom1005 schau mal in die manpage \"man apt-get\" da gibts nen schalter f\u00c3\u00bcr die interaktiven fragen \"-y\" im sinne der automatisierung \n so ds script ist fertig, nur noch die frage wie \u00c3\u00b6ffne ich mit nem script unter ubuntu das Terminal und lasse die installations routine automatisch durchlaufen?\n Phantom1005: sowas hier: x-terminal-emulator -e \"/bin/bash -c 'echo Dr\u00c3\u00bcck mich!; read'\"\n tomreyn: das in die erste zeile packen?\n Phantom1005: ich kenn dein skript nicht und wei\u00c3\u009f nicht was du vor hast\n hab das backlog jetzt nicht gelesen\n soll dein script insgesma tin nem terminal laufen oder soll das nur nen temrinal starten und darin irgendwas machen?\n tomreyn: soll darin programme installieren. https://pastebin.com/Upxi0Raw\n Title: #!/bin/bash sudo apt-get update sudo apt install mc qmmp gimp john pwgen l - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)\n interaktiv, hmm?\n x-terminal-emulator -e \"/bin/bash /pfad/zu/meinem/bashskript.sh\"\n gnome-terminal -e /pfad/zu/meinem/bashskript.sh\n und in das script in die letzte zeile nen \"read foobar\" dann schlie\u00c3\u009ft sich das terminal erst nach tasten eingabe znsp \n tomreyn: ok danke das funktioniert. \n#ubuntu-de 2017-08-06\n hallo, kennt jemand eine m\u00c3\u00b6glichkeit das gnome-icon (start_here_icon) des gnome-anwendungsmenu zu deaktivieren?\n irgendjemand?\n keiner da?\n dass die Antwortzeit im IRC nicht \u00c3\u00a4hnlich wie bei WhatsApp ist sollte doch bekannt sein\n ja schon, aber ich bin aus quake-zeiten noch irc channels gewohnt, die zum chatten genutzt werden\n j_elly: Und ich wei\u00c3\u009f nicht mal, welches Icon Du da meinst.\n ok, das icon oben links im panel\n neben \"Anwendunen\"\n wenn man Gnome hat? Welches Ubuntu genau?\n 16.04 und gnome 3.18\n \u00c3\u00bcber das Hauptmen\u00c3\u00bc kann man die Inhalte davon ausblenden. Reicht Dir das?\n das hat bei gnome 2 noch funtkioniert, ab 3 ist das nicht mehr m\u00c3\u00b6glich - trotzdem danke f\u00c3\u00bcr die m\u00c3\u00bche. was nutzt du eigentlich xfce oder unity?\n meist Unity aber ich schnupper immer wieder auch in den anderen\n j_elly: Was hat bei gnome 2 noch funktioniert? \n Das mit dem \"im Hauptmen\u00c3\u00bc auskommentieren\"? ...das hab ich grad in Gnome unter 17.10 erfolgreich getestet\n das ausblenden der icons im hauptmenu... wie hats du die \u00c3\u00a4nderungen vorgenommen?\n Anwendungen - Zubeh\u00c3\u00b6r - Hauptmen\u00c3\u00bc\n ..oder rechtsklick auf das hauptmenu-icon und men\u00c3\u00bcs bearbeiten, das ist klar. habe im folgenden dialog keine option icons auszublenden gefunden...\n ...man kann dort (in der Spalte \"Anzeigen\") gesetzte haken entfernen?\n ja da kann ich dann eintr\u00c3\u00a4ge ein und ausblenden. mir gehts jedoch darum nur die icons bzw. nur das icon im panel auszublenden...\n und wenn man alle entfernt hat kann man zwar immer noch das Icon und Anwendungen sehen, aber im Popup ist nichts ausw\u00c3\u00a4hlbares mehr\n jo, also das menu anzupassen ist bis auf das ein- und ausblenden von eintr\u00c3\u00a4gen nicht \u00c3\u00bcber die einstellungen m\u00c3\u00b6glich...\n m\u00c3\u00b6glicherweise ist es in den Tiefen des gconf-editor m\u00c3\u00b6glich\n wahrscheinlich...\n ggf \"menubar_detachable\"? \n \"legt fest, ob der Benutzer Men\u00c3\u00bcleisten abnehmen und verschieben kann\"\n ...warum auch immer man das Men\u00c3\u00bc \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt ausblenden will (und nicht nur Teile daraus)\n sollte es drum gehen, den Anwendern nur bestimmte Sachen zug\u00c3\u00a4nglich zu machen, w\u00c3\u00a4re vielleicht das Stichwort \"Kiosksystem\" hilfreich\n ..das ist wahrscheinlich eine variable f\u00c3\u00bcr das verhalten von menu-dialogen in fenstern, die variablen f\u00c3\u00bcr das hauptmenu habe ich hier noch nicht gefunden\n ..also eigentlich war gnome schonmal viel einfacher anzupassen, die letzten releases ab 2 sind immer mehr ein dschungel der den nutzer abschrecken soll, ver\u00c3\u00a4nderungen vorzunehmen. das wird auch im web immer wieder festgestellt.. schade eigentlich, da die anpassung des desktop immer eine gro\u00c3\u009fe st\u00c3\u00a4rke von linux war\n ...was jetzt nun nicht unbedingt in den Support geh\u00c3\u00b6rt. Ranten bitte wo anders oder direkt bei Gnome W\u00c3\u00bcnsche und Anregungen platzieren\n und - man ist ja nicht gezwungen Gnome zu nutzen\n j_elly, ja, aber da nimmt man kde zum frickeln und nicht gnome\n das ist kein rant, wollte nur kurz das bedauern ausdr\u00c3\u00bccken. habs \u00c3\u00bcbrigens schon im gnome channel platziert. nee, gezwungen nicht aber bei unity siehts nicht viel besser aus...\n naja, hab nun gnome seit jahren genutzt und wollte einfach ein paar sachen anpassen um mich dann wieder den wesentlichen dingen zuzuwenden, n\u00c3\u00a4mlich mit linux zu arbeiten...\n da ich nun ein gnome theme schreiben wollte, nutzt mir kde jetzt nicht viel..\n gibt doch mate und dieses andere.. oder lassen die sich auch nicht mehr so anpassen wie es noch zu gnome2 m\u00c3\u00b6glich war?\n keine ahnung wie variabel \"mate\" ist aber das man nicht ohne weiteres ein gnome-thema schreiben kann ist schon traurig. das setzt scheinbar wissen voraus, das man sich nur m\u00c3\u00bchselig aneignen kann, denn die struktur des gnome desktop ist auch schlecht dokumentiert. naja was solls...\n wollte jetzt kein studium anfangen und meine gesamte freizeit investieren um ein gnome-thema zu schreiben. dann bleibts dabei. trotzdem danke f\u00c3\u00bcr eure tips!\n Hi leute, wie kann ich nach defekten paketen schauen und die reparieren\n huhu! Kann mir mal jemand helfen Cisco Anyconnect zu installieren? Man kriegt es nur als tar.gz, da sind drei Ordner und eine Menge Zeugs drin, aber irgendwie keine Anleitung oder so was... https://www1.aps.anl.gov/information-technology/remote-access/vpn-downloads\n Title: Cisco AnyConnect VPN Client Downloads | Advanced Photon Source (at www1.aps.anl.gov)\n rentier: network-manager-openconnect\n https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/NetworkManager/VPN_Plugins/\n Title: VPN Plugins \u00e2\u0080\u00ba NetworkManager \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n koegs also soll ich das STATT des tar.gz installieren, einfaqch mit Synaptic oder was?\n ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde es zumindest probieren, programme aus den paketquellen sind immer zu bevorzugen\n koegs ist der network-,amager das ganz normale Netzwerkdings in den Einstellungen? Ich hab da so nen https-URL, den ich eingeben soll, um auf das VPN zuzugreifen\n koegs oder geht das dann ganz normal im brwoser?\n kann einer mal \u00c3\u00bcber das script schauen und mir sagen ob ich es so lassen kann oder etwas \u00c3\u00a4ndern sollte? https://pastebin.com/KGcVDcfS\n Title: x-terminal-emulator -e \"./Installationsskript.sh \" sudo add-apt-repository 'd - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)\n Phantom1005: 'apt install' wird ohne -y nicht automatisch durchlaufen\n Phantom1005: Freizeichen in Zeile 1 w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich entfernen\n nagetier: https://pastebin.com/YpHg4Pig besser so?\n Title: x-terminal-emulator -e \"./Installationsskript.sh \" sudo add-apt-repository 'deb - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)\n Phantom1005: Bin da nicht der Experte, wobei dein Script noch recht \u00c3\u00bcberschaubar ist.. f\u00c3\u00bchre es doch einfach aus?\n nagetier: was bewirkt das -y ?\n Phantom1005: man apt-get\n Ob das mit apt funktioniert, kann ich nicht sagen.. wahrscheinlich ja, evtl. ist aber auch ein apt-get -y install n\u00c3\u00b6tig\n ne beim ausf\u00c3\u00bchren ging es\n Phantom1005: was macht \"./Installationsskript.sh\"?\n Frickelpit: damit kann ich das script egal wo es sich gerade befindet starten. da muss ich nicht erst den ganzen pfad angeben!\n Daf\u00c3\u00bcr gibt es Umgebungsvariablen. https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Umgebungsvariable/#PATH-erweitern\n Title: Umgebungsvariable \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n aber eine frage hab ich noch, wen ich das script ausf\u00c3\u00bchre \u00c3\u00b6ffnen sich mehrere terminal fenster statt nur eins zu \u00c3\u00b6ffnen\n ja ach\n das ist mein erstes script also bitte nicht zu viele anspr\u00c3\u00bcche stellen ;)\n woran k\u00c3\u00b6nnte das wohl liegen, wenn du im Script was du aufrufst dein Terminal mit dem Script aufrufst? ;)\n Frickelpit: dann bitte erkl\u00c3\u00a4re mir wie ich es \u00c3\u00a4ndern kann?\n wie oft ben\u00c3\u00b6tigst du das script?\n nur bei einer neu installation also sehr selten.\n dann lohnt sich der Aufwand nicht f\u00c3\u00bcr die 4 Befehle da ein Script zu basteln.\n es ist mein aller erstes und wollte mal mit etwas einfachen anfangen in den bereich scripte mich ein zu arbeiten\n Phantom1005: dann w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich aber etwas nehmen, was mehr Richtung Script geht, als nur ein paar Befehle, die von der Shell abgearbeitet werden. z.B. eins, wo du mit Ein- und Ausgaben arbeitest und Variablen \u00c3\u00bcbergibst usw.\n Frickelpit: danke\n Phantom1005: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide und http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/ sind da hilfreich\n Title: BashGuide - Greg's Wiki (at mywiki.wooledge.org)\n Phantom1005: Shebang vermisse ich noch, und absolute Pfade w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich setzen\n Und Zeile 1 d\u00c3\u00bcrfte wohl \u00c3\u00bcberfl\u00c3\u00bcssig sein\n die erste zeile macht da nen loop draus \n er sollte das script mit dem befehl starten damit auf dem desktop nen terminal ge\u00c3\u00b6ffnet wird aber eigentlich auch nur sinnvoll wenn man das script per cron oder so startet \n @Phantom1005: du startest das script und mit der ersten zeile erzeugst du nen 2. prozess und der nen 3. usw usw \n glaube auch nicht das es wie du sagst in jedem verzeichnis funktioniert ./ sagt ganz klar die datei im aktuellen verzeichnis \n naja fork bomb w\u00c3\u00bcrde es wohl besser bezeichnen \n 'pulseaudio --dump-resample-methods' gibt hier nur ttps://dpaste.de/P6uV aus, 'man pulse-daemon.conf' spricht aber auch von anderen.. wenn ich diese ausw\u00c3\u00a4hle, kann PA sie nicht verwenden. Ich denke da hilft nur selber kompilieren?\n https://dpaste.de/P6uV\n Title: dpaste.de: Snippet #431309 (at dpaste.de)\n nagetier: vermutlich, was genau ist das problem?\n mgolisch: kann die resample-methode nicht erh\u00c3\u00b6hen, bin aber jetzt auf /usr/share/doc/libasound2-plugins/samplerate.txt gesto\u00c3\u009fen.. SRC_SINC_MEDIUM_QUALITY w\u00c3\u00a4re mein Wunsch\n das scheint aber auch ohne neu kompilieren zu funktionieren\n mache da morgen weiter, danke, aber denke das ist eh gekl\u00c3\u00a4rt\n#ubuntu-de 2018-07-31\n ist jemand online? :D\n ich gehe auch immer in eine kneipe und frage zuerst 'trinkt jemand bier?'\n ich versuche hier gerade einen irssi-Client aufzusetzen\n und will sehen ob man mich lesen kann :D\n brauchst du nicht. installierne reicht.\n meine ich ja... danke uer die Antwort :P\n kann mir bitte wer bei der installation zu libretime helfen, schritt f\u00c3\u00bcr schritt bitte ;-)\n Abgesehen davon, dass das hier Offtopic ist, hier mal eine kurze und knackige Erkl\u00c3\u00a4rung:\n Siehe: http://libretime.org/install/\n Title: Install - LibreTime (at libretime.org)\n Dieses git clonen: https://github.com/LibreTime/libretime/\n Title: GitHub - LibreTime/libretime: LibreTime: Radio Broadcast & Automation Platform (at github.com)\n und darin dann den installer: ./install aufrufen sollte dir Libretime installieren\n schon probiert geht alles nicht, muss doch erst nginx installieren und so?\n Welches Ubuntu hast du denn?\n 16\n 16.04 oder 16.10?\n debian haha\n was?\n sorry weil ubuntu hat er mir nicht installiert\n Wenn du Debian hast, bist du hier komplett falsch\n Ubuntu != debian\n ich hatte ubuntu und libretime installiert und ging niht\n irrelevant, wenn du jetzt Debian hast\n Dann ist #debian dein Freund\n ja gut aber der hat mir ubuntu nicht installiert, kann es ja nochmal versuchen\n und das hier nicht \u00c3\u00bcberlesen: At the moment, the installer works best on Ubuntu Trusty.\n ja ich wei\u00c3\u009f\n auch schon youtube geschaut, nutzt alles nichts\n Wenn du weiter Probleme damit hast, wende dich bitte direkt an Libretime: https://github.com/LibreTime/libretime/issues\n Title: Issues \u00c2\u00b7 LibreTime/libretime \u00c2\u00b7 GitHub (at github.com)\n Welcome to the world of open source ;)\n ich schau mal ob er mir 16.04 installiert\n Trusty ist 14.04\n nur damit da keine Verwechslung aufkommt\n ok\n und 14.04 wird im April 2019 EOL sein. Also auch bitte daran denken\n DaVu hilfst du mir dabei?\n kann es sein, dass du insgesamt mit Unix / Webservices erst anf\u00c3\u00a4ngst?\n nein aber ich hab jetzt 14.04 installiert, da ist aber vom youtuber keine Anleitung, bei 16.04 hat es bei mir nicht funktioniert\n https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OjiI7eHsLXiiGbO0CFmuT6BJksAIcjqU/view ist die von 16.04, ist das ganz anders als bei 14.04 und die docs von libretime sind unverst\u00c3\u00a4ndlich\n Title: libretime installation.pdf - Google Drive (at drive.google.com)\n bin jetzt als root angemeldet\n du musst schon konkreter werden, als so. d.h. Fehlermeldungen in ein pastebin und den Link hier rein... wenn nicht, bekommst du hier keine Hilfe\n keine fehlermeldung weil noch nicht angefangen, ich wei\u00c3\u009f nur das ich mit git das nicht in root installieren soll, sondern in opt oder so?\n was?\n also git ist keine Installation\n d.h. du verstehst nicht, was in dem Dokument steht, was du eben gepostet hast?\n git ist ein Tool\n welches dir zur Versionskontrolle von Github behilflich ist\n git clone https://github.com/libretime/libretime.git - das w\u00c3\u00bcrde er mir jetzt in das root verzeichnis kopieren, dann ./install und bin in root immer noch\n Title: GitHub - LibreTime/libretime: LibreTime: Radio Broadcast & Automation Platform (at github.com)\n unter anderem clont dir \"git clone \" das entsprechende Git-repo auf deine lokale Maschine\n internetuser: und was ist deine frage?\n und dann kann ich im browser die installation nicht aufrufen bei nginx\n weiter w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich dir mal empfehlen nichts in das root verzeichnis zu klonen\n das war zumindest bei ubuntu 16.04 so\n Das macht man einfach nicht\n hab aber jetzt trusty\n mkdir ~/gits\n cd ~/gits\n und dann dort den git clone Befehl ausgef\u00c3\u00bchrt\n du hast in deinem Root Verzeichnis als normaler User keine Schreibberechtigungen\n daher schl\u00c3\u00a4gt git clone dort auch fehl\n nein bin eh root, ok mache ich jetzt so\n du bist root?\n jo\n das hei\u00c3\u009ft du hast einen Root user angelegt?\n nein\n dann hast du kein Ubuntu\n doch\n DaVu: was sprichst du? :-D\n bin jetzt in gits als root\n also kein sudo oder so\n root ist als user ubuntu Ubuntu nativ nicht verf\u00c3\u00bcgbar. Es sei denn mit sowas wie \"su -\" oder \"sudo passwd root\"\n \"unter Ubuntu\"\n DaVu: siehste also ist root doch verf\u00c3\u00bcgbar :-)\n Ja, aber du wei\u00c3\u009ft, was ich meine ;)\n jetzt ja.\n ich nicht\n Debian verlangt bei der Installation die Angabe eine Root Users soweit ich wei\u00c3\u009f\n die angabe eines passworts, so viel genauigkeit sollte schon sein.\n internetuser: mach mal bitte; cat /etc/os-release | nc termbin.com 9999\n so ich mache jetzt alles mal mit root\n in einem Terminla\n internetuser: nein, du machst das nicht als root\n du brauchst kein Root\n http://termbin.com/t0xm\n ok nicht als root\n :~/gits# http://termbin.com/t0xm\n und jetzt bitte mal: id | nc termbin.com 9999\n http://termbin.com/icel\n ok, du bist gerade immer noch root\n yep\n Das sollst du nicht tun\n melde dich als normaler User an\n Ubuntu braucht keinen nativen root user, da man dort zu 98% alles mit \"sudo\" machen kann\n wenn du dann als normaler User in dem gits-Verzeichnis bist f\u00c3\u00bcrst du den git clone befehl aus\n Das erstellt dann ein neues Verzeichnis (wahrscheinlich mit dem Namen \"Libretime\"\n vielleicht erstmal eine aktuelle ubuntu version installieren, internetuser \n dort wechselst du dann wieder rein\n und f\u00c3\u00bchrst darin dann: ./install \n aus\n es macht \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt keinen sinn jetzt ne frische installation auf 14.04 zu machen\n koegs: das was er installieren will l\u00c3\u00a4uft laut den Docs am besten mit Trusty\n dann ist das schon ein grund die software nicht zu nutzen\n ^^\n oder sich mit entsprechend neuen Abh\u00c3\u00a4ngigkeiten rum zu plagen :D\n The recommended Libretime server platform is Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus)... <-\n DaVu eine Frage hast du libretime installiert bei dir?\n koegs: http://libretime.org/install/\n Title: Install - LibreTime (at libretime.org)\n internetuser: nein, ich lese nur die Docs und versuche dir die Schritte zu erl\u00c3\u00a4utern\n DaVu:ich kenne den link und kann lesen\n http://libretime.org/manual/preparing-the-server/\n Title: Preparing the Server - LibreTime (at libretime.org)\n dann sind das wiederspr\u00c3\u00bcchliche Aussagen\n widerspr\u00c3\u00bcchliche\n sehr konsistent die doku...\n kann ich jetzt noch ein update machen?\n mach ne frische installation, wenn sonst nix drauf ist\n Die Doku ist konsistent: The recommended Libretime server platform is Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus), or Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS (Trusty Tahr).\n geht wahrscheinlich eh schneller\n es wird also beides empfohlen, aber das \"./install\"-script l\u00c3\u00a4uft am besten mit Trusty\n DaVu: mir ist ehrlich gesagt egal was da steht, wenn die software nur f\u00c3\u00bcr bestimmte releases ist, ist sie einfach nicht zu empfehlen\n das musst du dem internetuser begreiflich machen ;)\n aber prinzipiell ist das ohnehin alles OT hier ;)\n also DaVu ich mache das mal auf 14.04 nur so zum \u00c3\u00bcben und dann auf 16.04 ok?\n ich wette man kriegt das auch auf 18.04 installiert, aber dann muss sich halt mit dem thema mal auseinander setzen und nicht blind einem install-script vertrauen\n mach was du meinst. Ist ja deine Maschine\n da stimme ich koegs zu. Dann muss man sich halt auch mit dem Thema kompilieren auseinander setzen\n installation von Abh\u00c3\u00a4ngigkeiten etc\n Ist halt kein Windows\n internetuser: lies dir vor allem das hier vorher durch und befolge die empfehlungen, das script alleine wird wohl nicht helfen http://libretime.org/manual/preparing-the-server/\n Title: Preparing the Server - LibreTime (at libretime.org)\n endlich mal einer der wirklichhilft\n vagrant up ubuntu-trusty geht schon mal nicht\n hast du \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt vagrant installiert?\n sorry mach ich grade\n hehe\n nochmals fehler nach eingabe von vagrant up ubuntu-trusty\n wie w\u00c3\u00a4rs, wenn du den fehler auch mal pr\u00c3\u00a4sentierst?\n !paste\n Nicht selbst geschriebener Text wird im IRC sehr unleserlich und unhandlich. Deshalb sollten mehr als 3 Zeilen immer in einen sogenannten Nopaste-Service wie z.B. http://paste.ubuntu.com/ abgelegt werden. Nach dem Speichern kannst du dann die URL der Seite kopieren und sie statt des Textes hier im Channel posten.\n https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WrNC58bF4h/\n Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)\n ja, da m\u00c3\u00bcsstest du jetzt schauen warum deine vagrant-installation nicht will\n stell dir aber vorher die frage ob du \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt vagrant nutzen willst, weil das ist noch eine Virtualisierungs-Schicht dazwischen, die du evtl nicht willst\n nur weil ./install nicht l\u00c3\u00a4uft, ist vagrant nicht automatisch die bessere l\u00c3\u00b6sung\n na dann doch besser 16.04 anleitung\n ich bin mal kurz \u00c3\u00bcbers install-script geflogen, habs mir nicht im detail angeguckt, aber das install-script unterst\u00c3\u00bctzt zumindest 16.04\n wo?\n was?\n du meinst der fehler ist weil 14\n hab ich nicht gesagt\n ok ohne vagrant\n internetuser: das wird noch spassig f\u00c3\u00bcr dich. Lies dir durch was das script macht, warum du PostgreSQL braucht, wof\u00c3\u00bcr rabbitmq, wie man einen apache betreibt und warum du das ganze nicht als root machen willst\n nur dann hast du eine chance evtl. einen vern\u00c3\u00bcnftigen server ans laufen zu kriegen\n das script?\n wo?\n im \"internet\"\n oder auf deinem rechner, hast ja wahrscheinlich per git auf deine festplatte geklont\n ja\n install l\u00c3\u00a4uft gerade, der macht mir das auf apache und intalliert seine php version usw oder? ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte das aber einfach auf nginx, kenne mich da besser aus\n dann musst du halt mal als nginx-experte selber schauen wie du das umbiegst\n ok das geht mal nicht\n installiere server neu w\u00c3\u00bcrdest du gleich 18 installieren?\n internetuser: ich pers\u00c3\u00b6nlich w\u00c3\u00bcrde es mit 18.04 probieren, da es aber keine garantie gibt das es l\u00c3\u00a4uft, w\u00c3\u00a4re deine bessere Wahl wohl 16.04\n und apache muss sein?\n internetuser: sagt niemand, aber das install script sieht nunmal apache vor, willst du was anderes, musst du selber genau schauen und fummeln\n verstehe also das install script installiert mir apache schon automatisch und php usw?\n macht es doch nicht wie ich sehe\n Ich h\u00c3\u00a4nge hier mit einem LUKS Iage auf einer USB-Platte welches ich per fsck \u00c3\u00bcberpr\u00c3\u00bcfen m\u00c3\u00b6chte, ich schaffe es nicht es nur zu entschl\u00c3\u00bcsseln ohne es einzuh\u00c3\u00a4ngen, obwohl ich dieser Anleitung folge https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Dateisystemcheck/#Dateisystempruefung-einer-LUKS-verschluesselten-Partition\n Title: Dateisystemcheck \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n pastebin folgt\n deswegen http://libretime.org/manual/preparing-the-server/ oder? also ich muss das alles vorher installieren, obwohl ich muss sagen die anleitung ist sehr schlecht\n Title: Preparing the Server - LibreTime (at libretime.org)\n https://pastebin.com/V500Vyfz\n Title: [Bash] sudo losetup /dev/loop8 luks.img sudo cryptsetup open /dev/loop8 luks Gebe - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)\n internetuser: das w\u00c3\u00a4re dann der richtige zeitpunkt zu \u00c3\u00bcberlegen ob das \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt die richtige software f\u00c3\u00bcr dich ist :)\n angeblich gibt es sonst keine bessere open source daf\u00c3\u00bcr und auf youtube wird das dann recht gut erkl\u00c3\u00a4rt, aber die installation wird ja gar nicht gut erkl\u00c3\u00a4rt\n internetuser: streich mal \"youtube\" aus dem kontext.\n internetuser: die setzen halt viel eigenwissen voraus und das die Sachen unter \"prepare\" schon vorher installiert und konfiguriert wurden\n youtube ist keine hilfe f\u00c3\u00bcr technische themen. wer gezeigt bekommen muss, wo die maus herum fahren muss, um einen server zu bedienen, der hat am server nichts verloren.\n agentsoul: `mount` und `lsof -i /dev/mapper/luks` w\u00c3\u00bcrden interessieren\n erm, lsof ohne i nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich\n ich probiere es trotzdem weiter\n internetuser: klar mach das. Aber versuche vor allem, die Textdokumente zu verstehen und die Fehlermeldungen.\n internetuser: ich sehe bei dir zu wenig kenntnis und wenig motivation diese kenntnis anzulesen. so wird das nix werden. was m\u00c3\u00b6chtest du denn \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt als resultat haben? evtl gibt es da einfachere software, die daf\u00c3\u00bcr aber auch einfacher installiert und konfiguriert werden kann.\n in mount taucht nur die USB-Platte auf, auf der das img liegt.\n auch ich dr\u00c3\u00bccke dir dir Daumen, internetuser. Ein Projekt, f\u00c3\u00bcr welches man sich motivieren kann und m\u00c3\u00b6chte, hilft beim Lernen f\u00c3\u00bcr das \"drumherum\" umgemein.\n der youtuber ist ein profi und bietet sogar etwas um 70 euro an, leider beantwortet er mir keine mails\n lsof: unknown protocol name (/dev/mapper/luks) in: -i /dev/mapper/luks\n lsof 4.89\n und er sagt, da\u00c3\u009f es nichts besseres oder anderes gibt, was open source ist\n k\u00c3\u00b6nnte das Problem beim loop Device liegen mit dem ich das Image einbinde?\n und wie viele Biere hast du schon mit ihm getrunken, internetuser?\n meinst es gibt noch was anderes?\n internetuser: w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich ja auch, wenn ich sowas verkaufen w\u00c3\u00bcrde :)\n naja vlt\n geile idee, ich mache ein halbherziges youtube-video und verlange dann 70 Euro, wenn ihr das nicht versteht :D\n agentsoul: das lsof ohne -i. Und ja, die Vermutung w\u00c3\u00a4re, dass ein anderer Prozess noch auf das Loop-Device zugreift.\n Ich meine nur, dass du eine Person nicht anhand ein paar videos kennen kannst\n hehe\n koegs ja das ist heutiges marketing oder\n besch\u00c3\u00a4ftigt sich das Video denn mit der Installation oder eher mit der Nutzung der Software?\n ansonsten gilt das was k1l_ gesagt hat, motivier dich selber schon mal sehr viel zu lesen\n DaVu vorallem mit der Benutzung\n internetuser: ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde ja mal mit ampache anfangen\n !ampache\n Informationen zu Ampache finden sich im Wiki unter http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Ampache\n internetuser: dann ist das video nicht schlecht oder halbherzig. Es setzt halt einfach nur die Installation voraus.\n DaVu: ja scheint so leider, er hat das sogar auf localhost, gibt glaub ich auch noch andere videos wie er das gemacht hat \n lsof /dev/mapper/luks lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfsd-fuse file system /run/user/1000/gvfs Output information may be incomplete.\n Naja, das er es auf \"localhost\" betreibt hei\u00c3\u009ft wahrscheinlich einfach nicht mehr als das er an der Maschine arbeitet auf der der Server l\u00c3\u00a4uft. Daher kann er \"localhost\" oder \"127.0.0.1\" oder die eigentliche IP der Maschine verwenden\n agentsoul: gvfs ist der automounter vom desktop\n I see\n wie umgehe ich den denn?\n Sorry ich goolge kurz erstmal\n Wie kann ich herausfinden, wie mein Ger\u00c3\u00a4t unter /dev/sdf hei\u00c3\u009ft?\n um zu verhindern dass ich z.B. das falsche Ger\u00c3\u00a4t formatiere\n ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/\n so eventuell\n formatieren tut man doch nur Partitionen \n tokam: man k\u00c3\u00b6nnte zuvor mit fdisk -l /dev/sdf pr\u00c3\u00bcfen, wie diese partitioniert ist\n +sudo\n Also die LUKS Partition h\u00c3\u00a4ngt als Volume(6) des Drive(4) im gvfs. Drive(4) ist die USB-Platte auf der das Image liegt. Wie h\u00c3\u00a4nge ich Volume(6) aus? \n gvfs-mount -u /dev/mapper/luks tut es leider nicht\n nagetier: danke\n es scheint an volume groups zu h\u00c3\u00a4ngen, nach \"lvchange -a n ubuntu-vg\" bekom eich eine andere Fehelrmeldung\n fsck.ext4: Ung\u00c3\u00bcltige magische Zahl im Superblock beim Versuch, /dev/mapper/luks zu \u00c3\u00b6ffnen\n bin allerdings verwirrt bez\u00c3\u00bcglich lvchange und vgchange\n hast du da ein LVM drauf? Klingt nach dem vorherigen nicht so.\n ich denke ja, ist leider nicht meine Platte aber es ist die home Partition eines vollverschl\u00c3\u00bcsselten Ubuntu ext4\n `lsblk` sollte helfen.\n ja, lvm\n dann musst du fsck dementsprechend auf das lv anwenden.\n ahhhh\n Wobei ich dann sehr merkw\u00c3\u00bcrdig finde, dass gvfsd da aktiv ist.\n das liegt vermutlich an der USB Platte auf der das Image liegt, k\u00c3\u00b6nnte ich mir vorstellen\n noch ne bl\u00c3\u00b6de Frage wie spreche ich das lvm an? Also wo liegt das?\n auch lsblk\n das wird gefunden nur autovervollst\u00c3\u00a4dnigung funktioniert nicht? Ich teste mal\n fsck.ext4: Ist kein Verzeichnis beim Versuch, /dev/mapper/luks/ubuntu--vg-root zu \u00c3\u00b6ffnen\n Der Superblock ist unlesbar bzw. beschreibt kein g\u00c3\u00bcltiges ext2/ext3/ext4-\n Dateisystem. Wenn das Ger\u00c3\u00a4t g\u00c3\u00bcltig ist und ein ext2/ext3/ext4-\n Dateisystem (kein swap oder ufs usw.) enth\u00c3\u00a4lt, dann ist der Superblock\n besch\u00c3\u00a4digt, und Sie k\u00c3\u00b6nnten versuchen, e2fsck mit einem anderen Superblock\n sudo fsck.ext4 /dev/loop8/luks/ubuntu--vg-root\n fsck.ext4: Ist kein Verzeichnis beim Versuch, /dev/loop8/luks/ubuntu--vg-root zu \u00c3\u00b6ffnen\n Der Superblock ist unlesbar bzw. beschreibt kein g\u00c3\u00bcltiges ext2/ext3/ext4-\n Dateisystem.\n Es ist sicher ein ext4 und ich kann es auch einh\u00c3\u00a4ngen und die Daten lesen. Keine Idee was ich hier verkehrt mache\n Fehler gefunden: sudo fsck.ext4 /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root NICHT /dev/mapper/luks/ubuntu--vg-root war ein luks zuviel\n gutentag\n wie gehst bei euch?\n pepermuntjes: nix f\u00c3\u00bcr ungut. Aber der Plauderkanal is nebenan in #ubuntu-de-offtopic - Dieser Kanal wird nur f\u00c3\u00bcr Ubuntu Support benutzt. 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https://williampitcock.com/\n Title: William \u00e2\u0080\u009cnenolod\u00e2\u0080\u009d Pitcock website (at williampitcock.com)\n#ubuntu-de 2018-08-02\n Hallo.\n Kann ich mit iperf auch up- und download getrennt messen?\n Wegen der Firewall kann ich den Server nur auf einer Seite laufen lassen.\n doev:evtl. iperf3 -R ?\n koegs: das scheint echt zu funktionieren\n die werte von iperf weichen aber von speedtest-cli ab\n iperf 95 Mbit/s und speedtest immer so 72 Mbit/s\n iperf geht aber gehen ein anderes Rechenzentrum.\n dann ist halt die speedtest.net - route nicht so gut oder die gegenstelle halt nicht mehr kapazit\u00c3\u00a4t.\n oder dein browser ist nicht schnell genug\n er nutzt ja cli, aber wie tomreyn schon gesagt hat, die geschwindigkeit von speedtest h\u00c3\u00a4ngt von so vielen faktoren ab...\n f\u00c3\u00bcr linespeed will man halt so nah wie m\u00c3\u00b6glich messen\n ah ja das '-cli' hatte ich \u00c3\u00bcberlesen\n Wie komme ich nun an meine Arbeit wieder ran? Gibt es eventuell noch Daten dieses zur\u00c3\u00bcck zu holen? :( https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Baustelle/Howto/Dablin_Dab%2B_Player/\n Ansonsten Pech und Gute Nacht.\n#ubuntu-de 2018-08-03\n With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/\n Title: William \u00e2\u0080\u009cnenolod\u00e2\u0080\u009d Pitcock website (at williampitcock.com)\n hey guys\n sorry for bothering, just trying irssi for the first time\n With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/\n Title: William \u00e2\u0080\u009cnenolod\u00e2\u0080\u009d Pitcock website (at williampitcock.com)\n hmm... jetzt hab ich mal ne komplett neue 18.04 installation auf meinem x230, und der grosse 2. Bildschirm wird von Zeit zu Zeit f\u00c3\u00bcr ne Sekunde schwarz\n das ist jetzt aber bl\u00c3\u00b6d\n hatte ich auch mal. bei mir war es das netzteil ... ich habe dne monitor ersetzt.\n vielleicht einmal kabel tauschen um zu schauen ob es am monitor oder an der einstellung liegt.\n aufgetreten ist es nur auf einem monitor, und nur mit nvidia-treiber ... vermutlich irgendein feature, was den ueberlastet hat.\n ne, das ist definitiv irgendwas bei 18.04\n ich frag jetzt nicht extra nach den \u00c3\u00bcblichen logs...\n sagmal, welche h\u00c3\u00a4ttest du gerne? Was gibts denn noch so in 18.04?\n https://askubuntu.com/questions/1044122/screen-goes-black-randomly-for-1sec-18-04-bionic-beaver\n Title: screen goes black randomly for 1sec (18.04 bionic beaver) - Ask Ubuntu (at askubuntu.com)\n das ist aber auch der einzige, der sowas hat...\n stevieh: hab grad kein 18.04 zur Hand, aber das \u00c3\u00bcbliche halt, dmesg, syslog, .xsession-errors\n Xorg.0.log gibt es nciht mehr, .xsession-errors gibt es nicht mehr... bleibt nur noch syslog und da steht nix.\n ich halte syslog mal im Auge\n im syslog steht nix dazu.\n wie bekomm ich X dazu wieder gespr\u00c3\u00a4chiger zu werden?\n insgesamt \"flackert\" da mehr. Fenster scheinen von unten durch... alles sehr strange.\n wo speichert telegram-desktop denn seine daten?\n stevieh: \"auf der Festplatte\"\n danke\n Hei. Wenn ich ein Ger\u00c3\u00a4t direkt per LanKabel verbinde um dessen IP herauszubekommen. Wie k\u00c3\u00b6nnte ich vorgehen. nmap 192.168.0.1/16 dauert ewig. (hatte aber auch keinen Fund)\n Wenn ich Ihn an den router anschlie\u00c3\u009fe zeigt er mir auch keine IP im Bereich an (scan mit nmap 192.168.0.1/24 ist der DHCP Bereich)\n arpscan\n nmap -p 80 192.168.0.1/16 <- nur einen port zu scannen reicht aus.\n besser finde ich per tcpdump/wireshark schauen ob sich was meldet, das ist aber komplett passiv.\n Das ist ja goil. Frickelpit, LupusE \u00e2\u0086\u0092 Danke \u00e2\u0086\u0092 sudo arp-scan -I wlan0 -l\n Er(arp-scan) zeigt mir die IP an. 192.168.1.64 aber drauf pingen kann ich nicht. Das ist ja wieder seltsam.\n je nach geraet ist das nicht verwunderlich.\n dreamon: Was ist das f\u00c3\u00bcr ein Ger\u00c3\u00a4t?\n ICMP geblockt?\n und in welchem subnet bist du? kommt dorthin ueberhaupt etwas zurueck?\n<_moep_> welches vlan?\n Fragen \u00c3\u00bcber Fragen\n Frickelpit, _moep_, LupusE Danke. Die Submask war schuld. Das ist ja ganz sch\u00c3\u00b6n fies. Wenn die die Submask in der Kamera auf 255.255.255.0 stellen, dann mu\u00c3\u009f ich ja wissen wo die im 255 Bereich liegen. Sonst kann die ja nicht anworten. Selbst wenn man ganze Netz die 255.255.0.0 offen hat. \n wenn ich den weg nicht kenne bringt mir der stadtname relativ wenig ...aber das ist ganz weit offtopic.\n Eine kleine Frage: Warum sind eigentlich \"exotische\" TLD zum Teil deutlich teurer als beispielsweise .de? D\u00c3\u00bcrfte .de nicht eine der gefragtesten TLDs sein? Was bestimmt da den Preis?\n ovalseven8, teilweise angebot und nachfrage. eine .de domain kriegst du fast \u00c3\u00bcberall, da unterbieten sie sich gegenseitig. der rest ist wohl willk\u00c3\u00bcrliche festlegung seitens der NICs.\n ovalseven8, das passt \u00c3\u00bcbrigens besser in unseren offtopic-channel ;)\n<_moep_> ppq: naja und noch ob das was \"besonderes\" ist\n<_moep_> sowas wie .airline\n<_moep_> :D\n<_moep_> oder *.ag\n guten abend \n kann mir jemand helfen, ich habe mit meinem ubntu 16.04.5 lts ein problem. das system f\u00c3\u00a4hrt nicht mehr hoch und ein \u00c3\u00a4terer kernel geht auch nicht\n wo bleibt das system h\u00c3\u00a4ngen? was hast du vorher gemacht?\n also vorher gab es nur ein normales update\n wie soll ich das am besten beschreiben...also nach dem boot logo und den punkten die man sieht wird das bild schwarz und man sieht in einem bruchteil einer sekunde was im hintergrund aber ich schaffe es nicht zu lesen\n also das geht dann nicht mehr weiter, wie eine endlosschleife\n wenn du bootest, nimm mal aus der kernel zeile in grub (e dr\u00c3\u00bccken zum editieren) das \"splash quiet\" raus\n dann sieht man mehr was da abgeht und wo es h\u00c3\u00a4ngt\n kannst auch sonst mal in den recovery modus gehen und da dann das /var/log/syslog angucken wo es probleme gibt\n soll ich das erst mit dem grub versuchen?\n jo\n https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Bootoptionen/#Start-eines-installierten-Systems-einmalig\n Title: Bootoptionen \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n bei mir steht da eine ganze menge \n sind auch alte kernel mit dabei\n ich l\u00c3\u00b6sche also nur das spash quite heraus bei dem aktuellsten kernel?\n S4ndm4nn: sie dir meinen link an. es geht darum das einmalig zu machen um evtl zu sehen wo es hakt.\n bisher sind wir bei \"auto kaputt\". das kann ja alles sein\n hmm... ich verstehe das nicht, habe das \"splash quiet\" entfernt, aber es geht nicht mehr weiter\n ahhh jetzt ging es weiter\n aber leider wird immer wieder dunkel und dann sieht man kurz die eintr\u00c3\u00a4ge \n sollte dieses mal lang genug aufleuchten um ein foto zu machen um es lesen zu k\u00c3\u00b6nnen\n ok, dann mal versuchen, den recovery Modus zu starten und in /var/log/syslog schauen\n okay mit dem bild ist auch nichts geworden :-(\n root zur root-befehlszeile?\n bleibe ich als root drin oder logge ich mich mit meinem user account ein?\n https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Recovery-Modus/\n Title: Recovery-Modus \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n Du bist automatisch root\n okay ich bin nun im syslog\n nach was suche ich?\n am besten mal das syslog, zumindest ab dem Zeitpunkt, wo das Sytem nicht mehr richtig startet, in ein Pastebin mit dem Programm pastebinit kopieren https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Pastebinit\n Title: Pastebinit - Community Help Wiki (at help.ubuntu.com)\n und dann den Link hierher kopieren\n kann ich das auch von dem betroffenen pc \u00c3\u00bcber das terminal machen?\n oder wie bekomme ich die datei auf einen usb stick?\n da steht aber ziemlich viel drin\n ja, pastebinit ist ein Konsolenprogramm und wird mit \" | pastebinit\" angesprochen. Im Fall des syslogs w\u00c3\u00a4re das \"cat /var/log/syslog | pastebinit\"\n alternativ kannst Du auch mit dem Befehl CP die Datei auch auf einen USB-Stick schieben\n okay versuche es mal :-D\n und dann \u00c3\u00bcber einen anderen Computer damit einen Pastebin f\u00c3\u00bcllen\n also vom pc gehts nicht \"konnte keinen kontakt zum server aufnehmen errno socket error errno -3 \n jo, Du musst erstmal eine Internetverbindung herstellen, steht im Artikel von https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Recovery-Modus/\n Title: Recovery-Modus \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n#ubuntu-de 2018-08-04\n okay das geht leider nicht wie es ausschaut, FAILED Failed to start LSB: start Samba SMB/CIFS daemon (smbd)...\n wieso Samba? Du brauchst nur \"dhclient eth0\" bei einer Kabelverbindung eingeben\n ja, hab ich eingegeben \n ok, dann gib mal \"ping -c 3 8.8.8.8 | grep \"packet loss\"\" ein und schaue, ob Paketverluste auftreten\n habe ein weiteres mal dhclient eth0 eingetragen da steht nun /etc/lib/ntpdate/default.dhcp: read-only file system\n und beim ping kommt nichts\n es dauert ein wenig, bis was angezeigt wird\n ansonsten mit einem USB-Stick und cp https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/cp/ mit https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/mount/ muss afaik erstmal der USB-Stick eingehangen werden\n Title: cp \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n habe eben mount -o remount,rw / eingetragen und bekam folgedes raus: invoke-rc.d: could not determine current runlevel smb.service is not active, cannot reload. invoke-rc.d: initscript smbd, action \"reload\" failed.\n bitte erstmal die syslog\n ja okay ich bin leider nicht so schnell, tut mir leid :-(\n jo, kein Ding\n fyi: ubuntu-server-live-installer 18.04.1 mit lvm-partitionierung: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1785321\n Title: Bug #1785321 \u00e2\u0080\u009cLVM Entire Disk option does not use entire disk\u00e2\u0080\u009d : Bugs : subiquity (at bugs.launchpad.net)\n die aufl\u00c3\u00b6sung ist so niedrig dass ich nicht alle eintr\u00c3\u00a4ge sehen kann bei \"mount -l\"\n kann man hier auch irgendwie nach oben scrollen?\n Du kannst mit den Tasten Bild auf und Bild ab scrollen\n das funktioniert nicht mit dem scrollen\n Dann mit der Shift-Taste\n beim dr\u00c3\u00bccken der bild taste bekomme ich die tilde ~ eingegeben\n okay das geht \n ich sehe leider nur einen datentr\u00c3\u00a4ger und das ist /dev/sda1 muss der usb stick auf eine bestimmte partition formatiert werden?\n entschuldige bitte aber ich glaub ich mach da was falsch\n ja, Du musst erstmal den Datentr\u00c3\u00a4ger mit \"mount [Parameter] \" einh\u00c3\u00a4ngen. Welches Ger\u00c3\u00a4t das ist, kannst Du mit blkid herausfinden https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/blkid/\n Title: blkid \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n als Einh\u00c3\u00a4ngepunkt kannst Du das Verzeichnis /media nehmen\n ich vermute mal, Dein USB-Stick wird unter /dev/sdb gef\u00c3\u00bchrt\n kann es sein dass der usb stick gar nicht angezeigt wird, habe mehrere festplatten dran h\u00c3\u00a4ngen aber mir wird nur dev/sda1 angezeigt der rest sieht nach systemverzeichnissen aus\n sudo blkid -t TYPE=ntfs hab ihn gefunden\n :-D\n komme voran :-P\n ist der USB-Stick mit NTFS formatiert?\n ja muss ihn nur nich mounten\n es ist sdf1\n hilf mir mal bitte beim parameter\n sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=007,gid=046,uid=0,nls=utf8 /dev/sda1 /media/winxp \n was gebe ich bei umask ein git uid die nummer nehme ich mal an nls so lassen bei /dev/sdf1 und bei nls weiss ich auch nicht\n uid und gid ist die Gruppen und User-ID, die angeben wird, wenn auf dem Dateisystem die zu schreibenden Daten nicht als root bzw. admin geh\u00c3\u00b6ren sollen\n bei nls nimmst Du utf8\n diese \u00c3\u00a4ndere ich also nicht \n ganz sch\u00c3\u00b6n kompliziert\n wobei, mach einfach mal nur \"mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdf1 /media\" oder \"mount -t ntfs /dev/sdf1 /media\". M\u00c3\u00bcsste ausreichen\n okay \n und dann kannst Du mittels \"cp /var/log/syslog /media/syslog\" kopieren\n bzw. \"cp /var/log/syslog /media/\" kopieren\n vielen dank ich habs auf dem stick\n und nun hochladen ja?\n jo, bitte bspw. nach paste.ubuntu.com\n und dann den link hier rein\n cat syslog | pastebinit\n Bad API request, maximum paste file size exceeded\n ist die file nicht etwas zu gro\u00c3\u009f?\n 16 mb\n ui\n jo\n bissl arg gro\u00c3\u009f\n was mach ich nun?\n ein teil nur raus kopieren vielleicht\n ja, am besten den letzten Start des Systems rauskopieren\n also jetzt nicht nur den mit dem recovery-Start\n gibt es da nach einem starteintrag wonach ich suchen soll \n moment, ich muss mal bei mir schauen\n ich kann die file wo auch wo annders hochladen wenn die hier zu gro\u00c3\u009f ist\n oder aufteilen?\n https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GdTpH3zgv4/\n Also, die erste Zeile eines Systemstarts beginnt bei meinem Schlepptop mit >rsyslogd: [origin=software\"rsyslogd\" ..... ] start\n hab hier die aktuellere h\u00c3\u00a4lfte genommen\n schau mal rein \n wenn da nichts bei ist was hilfreich w\u00c3\u00a4re, lade ich den ersteh teil hoch\n ich hab den ersten teil nun auch hochgeladen https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2ht6qr9Pg5/\n da war was mit dem gew\u00c3\u00bcnschten starteintrag dabei\n wie schlimm ist es doktor, wird er es \u00c3\u00bcberleben?\n erstmal gucken, ob ich was finde\n was ich auf die Schnelle fand: 01:08:49 Cube /usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-x-session[2214]: (EE) NVIDIA: Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module.\n frag bitte nachher nochmal nach, ob andere was sehen\n S4ndm4nn ^^\n ja mit den grafikkarten treiber gab es schon \u00c3\u00b6ffters probleme nach einem update\n aber bisher hatte ich es immer selbst l\u00c3\u00b6sen k\u00c3\u00b6nnen\n ja es ist schon sehr sp\u00c3\u00a4t oder auch sehr fr\u00c3\u00bch am morgen, ich hab schon gemerkt dass es ein schlimmeres problem wird. werde mich morgen nochmals melden am besten \n eine sache wollte ich aber noch erw\u00c3\u00a4hnen\n dieses ubuntu hab ich ja schon sehr lange auf meinem pc und als immer \u00c3\u00b6fter fehler auftraten, hab ich mich entschlossen das neuste ubuntu 18 lts zu installieren.\n sobald ich es aber starte dauert es es eine ganz sch\u00c3\u00b6n lange zeit ca 10-15 minuten bis es start es wirkt so als ob es sich aufgehangen hat habe also ein schwarzes bild die ganze zeit \u00c3\u00bcber\n also wenn es an dem nvidia-Treiber liegen sollte, sollte eine Reinstallation abhilfe schaffen \"apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-384\" m\u00c3\u00bcsste das von Dir verwendete Paket sein\n bevor es startet sieht man noch eine fehlermeldung aufflackern und dann startet es ganz normal und l\u00c3\u00a4uft auch fehlerfrei \n okay versuch das eben nochmal\n ist aber doch kein dauerzustand immer wieder nach allen updates die grafikkarte neu zu installieren\n was das neue ubuntu angeht, ist meine hardware vielleicht zu veraltert oder woran kann das liegen\n was ist denn das f\u00c3\u00bcr ein System\n also ich gehe davon aus, dass Du eine relativ neue NVidia-Karte hast, da bei Dir der 384er installiert ist\n mainboard ist von gigabyte 970a-ud3 \n jo, so alt ist der Rechner nun auch nicht :)\n ja die karte ist nicht so alt aber das board und die cpu ist ein amd fx8 8120\n woran k\u00c3\u00b6nnte es liegen dass alle mint, ubuntu und debian nicht anst\u00c3\u00a4ndig booten im internet hab ich nichts dazu gefunden\n daher ging ich von der hardware aus\n also Du sagst, dass Du 18.04 installiert hast?\n ja ist auf einer anderen platte drauf \n wollte meine daten migrieren \n ach, paralell?\n ja\n weil ich sehe hier den Kernel 4.4, das ist der Standard-Kernel von 16.04\n ja das ist mein problem system\n naja das neue l\u00c3\u00a4uft zwar auch aber ben\u00c3\u00b6tigt beim booten \u00c3\u00bcber 10 minuten lang\n achso, und Du willst nur noch die Daten migrieren?\n ja weil das immer wieder probleme macht mit der grafikkarte\n \"apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-384\" hab ich mal eingegeben leider kann ich in diesem modus keine pakete laden\n ok, dann w\u00c3\u00a4re es doch besser, wenn wir uns dem 18.04 zuwenden und schauen, warum der Start dort so lange dauert\n internet verbindung geht leider nicht\n jo\n nur wenn es f\u00c3\u00bcr dich nicht all zu sp\u00c3\u00a4t ist\n also von dort auch die /var/log/syslog aber lass dir ruhig Zeit\n mal sehen ob da im recovery modus die internet verbindung geht\n also selbst um den recovery modus zu booten dauert lange\n sonst boote einfach in die normale Umgebung\n dauert genauso lange XD\n :)\n normal ist es doch nicht\n soll ich da auch mal dieses quiet splash entfernen?\n hmm bekomme aber nichts angezeigt mit oder ohne diesen eintrag, nur ein standbild und nun hei\u00c3\u009ft es warten\n S4ndm4nn: also ich hatte letztens mit einem anderen Laptop auch ein Problem mit dem nvidia-Treiber. Kernel m\u00c3\u00bcsste afaik 4.4 sein. Ich musste den Treiber (Treiberversion wei\u00c3\u009f ich jetzt nicht mehr) komplett deinstallieren und den nouveau-Treiber nutzen, weil ich mich sonst nicht einloggen konnte. Auf meinem Desktop mit 16.04, Kernel 4.4 und nvidia-352 habe ich allerdings diesbez\u00c3\u00bcglich keine Probleme\n scheint so als ob nvidia nicht nur bei mir probleme verursacht\n aber ohne diesen treiber l\u00c3\u00a4uft das system etwas sperriger\n gerade, wenn man es zum Daddeln nutzen m\u00c3\u00b6chte\n vor allem dann :-D\n aber auch so \n also jetzt sehe ich was\n steht alles auf OK\n aber weiter gehts nicht mehr :-(\n normaler weise ging es weiter\n das ist doch zum verzweifeln\n ach es ging eben weiter\n bild flimmerte kurz\n OK started nvidia persistence daemon\n und nun h\u00c3\u00a4ngt es wieder\n alternativ kann man auch mit einem Live-System nachgucken und ggfls. mit chroot ins installierte System eingreifen https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/chroot/Live-CD/\n Title: Live-CD \u00e2\u0080\u00ba chroot \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n okay geschafft\n es ist nun hochgefahren\n XD\n jetzt ist aber was seltsames passiert...hab ich eingeloggt und pastebinit installiert \n dann wurde alles dunkel und bin bin ich wieder in diesen status lade bild\n XD\n hm? Bootsplash?\n schaut so aus nur mit dem status inhalt\n steht alles auf gr\u00c3\u00bcn\n hm\n also ich hab gesehen dass Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS released ist\n soll ich das nicht einfach nochmals aufspielen, vielleicht wird das ja laufen\n weil so kommen wir einfach nicht voran \n mir sind nur die daten wichtig auf dem alten ubuntu system\n es ist letztlich Deine Entscheidung, ob Du das neu installierst.\n auf der der 18.er version war nichts drauf \n bist du morgen auch wieder hier?\n jo\n aber ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde schon vorschlagen, dass wir erstmal beim 18.04 schauen, was da kaputt sein k\u00c3\u00b6nnte, bevor Du es neu installierst.\n okay, bevor ich das neu aufspiele w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich das mit der live version mal machen um an die syslog zu kommen\n so ich starte das noch ein letztes mal mit einem \u00c3\u00a4lteren kernel und sollte es klappen lade ich gleich die syslog auf pastebinit hoch \n falls nicht, komme ich morgen abend wieder vorbei\n jo\n bin mal so lange das system hochfahrt afk\n ich gucke grade \u00c3\u00bcber das vorhin gepostete syslog von einem 16.04-system mit kernel 4.4\n wenn das ein nvidia-system ist w\u00c3\u00bcrd ich mal nomodeset probieren, falls nicht schon getan\n das bios ist sehr in die tage gekommen, da w\u00c3\u00bcrd ich mal ein neues probieren, hat damit jetzt allerdings nix zu tun\n ja schon versucht, aber da gibts f\u00c3\u00bcr mein board nichts neus\n hab das mal irgendwo mal gelesen das ein biosupdate helfen k\u00c3\u00b6nnte \n ich werde vermutlich nicht drum herum kommen mir neue hardware zu kaufen\n normal ist das auf keinen fall\n tomreyn: was macht denn das nomodeset?\n trage ich das vor dem quiet splash ein oder ersetze ich es damit?\n !nomodeset\n durch \u00c3\u0084nderungen am Xserver ben\u00c3\u00b6tigen einige Grafikkarten den Bootparameter nomodeset oder einen prop. Treiber: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Bootoptionen\n da stehts https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Bootoptionen/#Haeufig-genutzte-Bootoptionen\n Title: Bootoptionen \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n ahja\n Rochvellon: quiet und splash w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich mal rausnehmen testweise\n okay ein moment\n aber an der gleichen stelle dann das nomodeset rein\n verstanden\n also bei der 16-er version?\n ich seh grade dass es da 5 verschiedene hardwarerevisionen f\u00c3\u00bcr dein board gibt. das syslog verr\u00c3\u00a4t leide rnicht welchjes du hast\n S4ndm4nn: egal ob 16.04 oder 18.04\n https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Search?kw=GA-970A-UD3\n Title: Search Results - GIGABYTE U.S.A. (at www.gigabyte.com)\n rev.1.2\n hmm tja, schon recht in die jahre gekommen\n ja leider\n also ubuntu 16 mit nomodeset passiert das gleiche wie davor auch - bootschleife\n aber schon mies, selnbst f\u00c3\u00bcr das rec 3.0 board r\u00c3\u00bcckt gigabyte keine biosupdates mehr raus, trotz meltdown\n hmm bootschleife is doof ;)\n ich hab jetzt auch nicht den chatverlauf hier durchgelesen, war mir bisschen zu viel\n bei ubuntu 18 hei\u00c3\u009ft es wieder ewig warten\n sehe auch lage zeit nichts bis auf die hintergrundfarbe vom grub\n tomreyn: in K\u00c3\u00bcrze: 16.04 macht dauernd Probleme, vermutlich wieder der nvidia-Treiber, daher will S4ndm4nn auf 18.04 und das braucht ewig zum Starten\n f\u00c3\u00bcr eine ssd viel zu lange\n ~20min nach heutige messung\n Selbst f\u00c3\u00bcr eine mit rotierenden Scheiben, sofern das nicht ein Server mit einem fetten Programm ist\n 18.04.0 oder .1?\n 17.04.0\n hab shcon die neuste geladen \n w\u00c3\u00a4re aber schon interessant den grund zu finden bevor ich das neue aufspiele\n die 18.04.0 macht mit \u00c3\u00a4lteren intel-gpus dieses problem dass es ewig dauert zu booten mit dem, ich glaube patchlevel 29 des kernels\n also liegt es an der grafikkarte?\n das ist eine regression die durch ein security-patch eingef\u00c3\u00bchrt wurde. das gab es \u00c3\u00a4nderungen den random number generator betreffend\n nee, das wovon ich spreche ist ein bug.\n ob das bei dir wirklich der ausl\u00c3\u00b6ser ist kann ich nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich nur raten, aber das betraf viele\n also ist es ein bekannter fehler\n ja, da gibts nen bugreport zu\n bin ich kein sonderfall\n bin kurz afk, wenn das system hochf\u00c3\u00a4hrt meld ich michzur\u00c3\u00bcck\n hm, tomreyn, k\u00c3\u00b6nnte das auch an iommu liegen? Weil ich im 16.04er-Log auch noch las, dass das offenbar im BIOS nicht aktiviert ist\n den hier meinte ich https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1779827\n Title: Bug #1779827 \u00e2\u0080\u009cfailure to boot with linux-image-4.15.0-24-generic...\u00e2\u0080\u009d : Bugs : Ubuntu (at bugs.launchpad.net)\n betrifft aber nur diese kernelversion +/-1\n Rochvellon: denke nicht, wobei nvidia da recht fiese dinge mit dem ram macht, aber wenn das zu problemen f\u00c3\u00bchrt gibts dazu fehlermeldungen im log.\n iommu an schadet aber in der regel nicht, w\u00c3\u00bcrd ich ruhig mal machen\n zumal weil ja virtualbox installiert ist\n re\n beim n\u00c3\u00a4chsten rechner einfach mal amd graka kaufen, die haben nen open source treiber, da geht alles gleich viel einfacher, kein gefrickel mehr bei jedem upgrade\n und trotzdem performance\n jo, der Treiber soll gut sein\n also nomodeset bei ubuntu 18 hat ebenfalls zu keinem fehler gef\u00c3\u00bchrt\n \u00c3\u00a4hhh hat zu keiner l\u00c3\u00b6sung gef\u00c3\u00bchrt\n kein fehler, also l\u00c3\u00a4uft jett alles? ;)\n sorry das kommt davon wenn die finger schneller sind als das hirn\n was passiert denn bei nem normalen 18.04.1 boot?\n ohne angepasste kernelparameter\n absolut keine \u00c3\u00a4nderung\n anders gefragt: was genau ist das problem?\n wie stellt es sich dar?\n das problem ist dass es eine halbe ewigkeit dauert bis das system hochf\u00c3\u00a4hrt und seit heute schmei\u00c3\u009ft mich ubuntu nach dem login gleich wieder raus zum statusbild wo beim booten erschien\n update: system ist hochgefahen ich logge mich eben ein\n soll ich gleich ein update machen?\n auf jeden\n oder die syslog hochladen\n weiss nicht wie lange es dauert bis ich rausgeworfen werde\n alle ausstehenden updates installieren, rebooten, syslog + dmesg hochladen\n S4ndm4nn: dr\u00c3\u00bcck ctrl-alt-f3 und arbeite da\n dann bist du nicht von X abh\u00c3\u00a4ngig\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ckdQCCCXWx/\n Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)\n jetzt zum update\n tomreyn: zumindest schaut es f\u00c3\u00bcr mich danach aus, dass diesmal der nvidia-Treiber korrekt geladen wird\n Rochvellon: wirkt auf mich auch so, ja\n ja das gibbts auch ein OK w\u00c3\u00a4hrend dem botvorgang\n ich tippe auf PRIME-probleme. w\u00c3\u00bcrde mal die logs beschriebbar machen \u00c3\u00bcber die er sich da beschwert: sudo touch /var/log/prime-supported.log /var/log/prime-offload.log; sudo chown gdm /var/log/prime-supported.log /var/log/prime-offload.log\n (das ist zeile 5294 f.)\n tomreyn: schau Dir mal bitte die Zeiten in den Zeilen 3389 und 3390 an\n oder war das ein Neustart?\n das sit ein neustart, ja\n bzw vielleicht auch shutdown + boot\n aber es gibt da doch nvidia-fehlermeldungen\n im aktuellen log\n hatte diesen ewigen bootvorgang aber auch bevor ich die nvidia treiber installiert hatte\n zumindest die prime-Logs sollten aber diesbez\u00c3\u00bcglich keine Probleme sein\n oh das sind ja alles immer noch linux 4.4er logs\n ein aktuelles haben wir noch nicht, ne?\n hihi\n ah doch, sorry\n verguckt\n currnet operating system != build operating system\n aber die updates laufen noch, ne S4ndm4nn ?\n hmm neee die waren so schnell durch gelaufen war kaum was zu installieren\n also ich wieder ins xwindow system zur\u00c3\u00bcck wollte war das bild schwarz und ist eingefroren\n ah, gut zu wissen\n also es ist nun version 18.04.1 drauf\n okay, boote nochmal ohne quiet und ohne splash, aber auch ohne nomodeset. und guck ob du dabei spannende fehelrmeldungen bekommst\n also bin jetzt gleich wieder im system habe nur mir nomodeset gebootet\n soll ich nochmals neustarten?\n ich guck immernoch aufs log, also wenn du nix wichtigeres zu tun hast, ja\n du hast da diverse acpi exceptions, k\u00c3\u00b6nntest mal das hier ausprobieren, hat aber wohl mit dem aktuellen problem nix zu tun: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html\n Title: Linux: ACPI: Fix problems with Suspend, Resume, and Missing devices using acpi_osi= (at iam.tj)\n tomreyn: ich boote eben ohne den erw\u00c3\u00a4hnten optionen\n ok\n also bis jetzt tritt keine besserung oder \u00c3\u00a4nderung ein\n Aug 4 05:12:01 cube kernel: [ 5.875846] gnome-shell[1020]: segfault at 20 ip 00007f813436e81d sp 00007fffb7e26c20 error 4 in libmutter-2.so.0.0.0[7f8134280000+156000]\n den hatte ich vorhin \u00c3\u00bcbersehen\n S4ndm4nn: postest du bitte nochmal dmesg wenn du ihn oben hast?\n okay, sobald ich zugriff habe. macht es ein unterschied ob ich das system als UEFI installiere\n ist wohl ein Problem von gnome\n https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/issues/190\n Title: Segfault at 20 libmutter-2.so.0.0.0 when executing docker run (#190) \u00c2\u00b7 Issues \u00c2\u00b7 GNOME / mutter \u00c2\u00b7 GitLab (at gitlab.gnome.org)\n ist das jetzt eine gute oder eine schlechte nachticht?\n eine gute nachtschicht\n ja und nein. Ich gehe nicht davon aus, dass das ein Hardware-Problem ist, soweit die gute Nachricht\n die gute ist wahrscheinlich dass der fehler bekannt ist und die schlechte das es nicht behoben ist\n dass lasst aufatmen \n also der da verlinkte bug 1767956 wurde behiben\n das problem habe ich auch mit linux mint\n https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1767956\n Title: Bug #1767956 \u00e2\u0080\u009cgnome-shell crashed with SIGSEGV in meta_gpu_kms_n...\u00e2\u0080\u009d : Bugs : gnome-shell package : Ubuntu (at bugs.launchpad.net)\n aber na ja, es trat ja zumindest vor den letzten updates noch auf\n !find libmutter-2.so.0.0.0\n hmm den bot gibts hier wohl nicht\n Du k\u00c3\u00b6nntest es auch mal mit KDE, XFCE, etc. probieren\n sicher, aber ist eine alternative die ich ungerne w\u00c3\u00a4hle\n ich mag gnome\n :-D\n hui, wenn man auf google einfach mal nur nach \"libmutter-2.so.0.0.0\" sucht, kriegt man ne menge fehlerberichte von nvidia-usern\n sorry, ich hatte den ubuntu-bugreport falsch gelesen, der ist ja nochin bearbeitung\n also ubuntu 18.04 hat libmutter-2-0 (3.28.1-1ubuntu1), im letzten post von https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1767956 steht dass mutter 3.29.90-1 das problem besietigt. und ganz oben steht bionic -> in progress, also ist der backport des patchs da noch nicht fertig.\n Title: Bug #1767956 \u00e2\u0080\u009cgnome-shell crashed with SIGSEGV in meta_gpu_kms_n...\u00e2\u0080\u009d : Bugs : gnome-shell package : Ubuntu (at bugs.launchpad.net)\n S4ndm4nn: bootest du noch oder l\u00c3\u00a4dst du noch das dmesg hoch?\n ich w\u00c3\u00a4re noch beim bootvorgang, scheint aber nicht immer hochfahren zu wollen\n krass lange\n von denen hier hast du viele \"NVRM: Xid (PCI:0000:01:00): 56, CMDre 00000000 00000080 00006666 00000005 00002004\" - und das sind kodierte fehlermeldungen des nvidia-treibers\n ID 56 bedeutet laut https://docs.nvidia.com/deploy/xid-errors/ soviel wie \"Display Engine error\"\n Title: XID Errors :: GPU Deployment and Management Documentation (at docs.nvidia.com)\n ...was entweder ein hardware- oder treiberfehler sein kann\n ohhhman, nichteinmal hochgefahren und die monitore sind auf standby \n wieviele monitore sind denn da dran? zwi, ne?\n *zwei\n 3 monitore und 1 tv der aber inaktiv ist\n aber alle ports sind belegt von der grafikkarte\n ohhhh er ist hochgefahren\n mach mal beim n\u00c3\u00a4chsten boot alle monitore bis auf einen ab, und guck ob das hilft.\n befinde mich im login bereich\n welche logs sollte ich nochmal hochladen\n ich h\u00c3\u00a4tte immer noch gern ein \"dmesg | pastebinit\" bitte\n okay kommt \n S4ndm4nn: bzw besser \"dmesg -T | pastebinit\"\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/T8gNbx8Nn3\n Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)\n war da noch etwas?\n S4ndm4nn: wo?\n was ich hochladen sollte\n S4ndm4nn: ah, die beiden nvidia-logs. aber nur wenn du die vorher angelegt hattest mit dem befehl den ich vorhin gepostet hatte\n weil nur dann existieren sie\n konnte ich leider nicht da das system seit dem letzten mal nicht hochgefahren war\n S4ndm4nn: alles klar. du kannst also auf jeden fall mal zus\u00c3\u00a4tzlich ein anderes desktopenvironment installieren damit du (hoffentlich) erst mal arbeiten kannst. \n ab wann wir denn der boot eigentlich so lahm?\n \u00c3\u00a4h kannste ignorieren, geht aus dme log hervor\n da haben wir ihn wieder:\n [Sa Aug 4 06:25:00 2018] gnome-shell[1065]: segfault at 20 ip 00007fe3eedde81d sp 00007ffe10458390 error 4 in libmutter-2.so.0.0.0[7fe3eecf0000+156000]\n was hei\u00c3\u009ft lahm, ich sehe im grunde nichts au\u00c3\u009fer die hintergrundfarbe vom grub nach dem ich das system ausw\u00c3\u00a4hle, dann dauert es sehr lange bis ich was auf dem schirm habe\n [Sa Aug 4 06:24:59 2018] NVRM: Your system is not currently configured to drive a VGA console on the primary VGA device. The NVIDIA Linux graphics driver requires the use of a text-mode VGA console. Use of other console drivers including, but not limited to, vesafb, may result in corruption and stability problems, and is not supported.\n S4ndm4nn: nomodeset mit ubuntu 18.04.1 hattest du probiert und es gab keine verbesserung, ne?\n naja es \u00c3\u00a4ndert sich im grunde nichts au\u00c3\u009fer das ich mal ein status check sehe aber sonnst bleibt alles wie bisher\n so lange ich noch im system bin, braucht ihr noch welche files? ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde sonnst neustarten und mal den tv abklemmen, hab mal gelesen dass ubuntu probleme mit 4 monitoren haben soll\n aber das war allerdings bei eine alten version\n S4ndm4nn: schalte mal wieder zum tty3\n bin drin\n S4ndm4nn: dpkg -l gdm3 lightdm | tail -n2\n gibt was aus?\n kannste direkt hier posten\n ja\n also am anfang steht kein paket gefunden, das auf lightdm passt\n II gdm3 3.28.2-ubuntu1.2 amd46 GNOME Disply Manager\n mehr nichts\n S4ndm4nn: dann prbieren wir mal lightdm statt gdm, vielleicht hilfts ja: sudo apt install lightdm\n das sollte ne abfrage zeigen wo du zwischen lightdm und gdm3 w\u00c3\u00a4hlen kannst. da dann lightdm nehmen.\n okay jetzt lightdm ausw\u00c3\u00a4hlen \n was ist denn der unterschied\n fertig...neustarten?\n das sind die beiden verf\u00c3\u00bcgbaren grafischen logins\n hast du die logdateien erstellt?\n nein wie mach ich das?\n ich tippe auf PRIME-probleme. w\u00c3\u00bcrde mal die logs beschriebbar machen \u00c3\u00bcber die er sich da beschwert: sudo touch /var/log/prime-supported.log /var/log/prime-offload.log; sudo chown gdm /var/log/prime-supported.log /var/log/prime-offload.log\n sin erstellt\n na dann\n ich k\u00c3\u00b6nnt eigentlich mal schlafen gehen\n soll ich neustarten?\n yo. \n mit allen monitoren?\n deine entscheidung. ich w\u00c3\u00bcrd's mal mit nur einem oder sogar komplett ohne probieren (aber das macht nur sinn wenn du nen ssh-server hast)+\n nee der ist hier nicht vorhanden\n ich starte mal neu\n mal sehen was passiert :-D\n boote ich normal ohne was im grub zu \u00c3\u00a4ndern?\n ja, mach das mal\n wird aber wohl wieder das gleiche ergebnis haben\n vielleicht schreibvt er ja was in die logs rein, da kannste nachher mal gucken\n dazu muss ich ihn aber wieder hochfahren lassen dass was in die logs geschrieben werden kann \n oder geschieht das bereits w\u00c3\u00a4hrend dem langen bootvorgeng?\n nee, eher am ende\n du bist ja morgen auch wieder hier oder?\n bzw heute abend\n ich, und viele andere mehr ;)\n aber kannst dich gern nochmal melden wenn du mir nochmal ne auffrischung vorbereitest um was es ging\n verstehe aber ihr wisst ja schon was dem patienten fehlt\n dann mal 'gute 'nacht'!\n okay, gute nacht und vielen dank\n bitte\n Rochvellon: falls du noch da bist, die danke ich ebenfalls und w\u00c3\u00bcnsche dir auch eine gute nacht oder einen guten morgen \n yw\n moin\n sagtmal, unter gnome3 geht keepassx \"irgendwo auf dem Screen\" auf, aber nicht im sichtbaren Bereich. Wahrscheinlich war es vorher auf dem grossen Bildschirm offen. Wie kann ich das zur\u00c3\u00bcck setzen?\n keepassxc macht \"gar nix\" nachdem ich die DB, das keyfile und das pw angegeben hab? \n ohh danke\n ah, hat geklappt :) gut\n habe ein kleines problem mit der virtualBox, habe Ubuntu normal installiert 16.04 auf der virtualBox win10. nach dem Update von win10 sind die gemeinsammen ordner weg :-(\n kann da auch keine gasterweiterung installieren ist nur Hilfe oben angezeigt in der leiste\n Herbert-51, ubuntu als host und windows als gast, verstehe ich das richtig?\n ja\n vor dem Update von win10 hat das alles geklappt :-(\n Herbert-51, sieht man das freigegebene verzeichnis noch in den vm-einstellungen? schau da mal rein\n hab ich schon. ist noch alles so drin\n Herbert-51, dann musst du in windows viellleicht das \"netzlaufwerk\" neu hinzuf\u00c3\u00bcgen\n glaube so hei\u00c3\u009ft das da\n \\\\vboxsrv\\ im explorer\n da sollte dann deine freigabe auftauchen\n was bei windows jetzt anders ist das oben in der leiste von der VM box nur noch Hilfe drinne steht\n ???\n mach doch mal einen screenshot\n upload bspw. auf imgur.com\n also win findet kein netzwerk\n screenshot ist garnicht so einfach :-( wo schmei\u00c3\u009ft er mir die hin wenn in auf windows bin :-(\n unter windows landen die nur in der zwischenablage. muss man dann in paint o.\u00c3\u00a4. einf\u00c3\u00bcgen und abspeichern\n aber ich meinte auch eher einen screenshot unter ubuntu\n von der vm-leiste, die du meinst\n ich meine die Menueleiste die von der VM noch ge\u00c3\u00b6ffnet ist wenn windows gestartet ist. ganz oben stand immer noch Ger\u00c3\u00a4te (oder so \u00c3\u00a4hnlich) da konnte man denn die Gasterweiterungen installieren\n jo, genau. \"gasterweiterungen einlegen\"\n https://imgur.com/a/Wkssv1g\n Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)\n ja und da ist nix mehr :-( steht nur noch hilfe\n die ordner sind noch angelegt und drin\n Herbert-51, wenn du im vm-fenster bist, dr\u00c3\u00bcck mal hosttaste+C (host-taste ist standardm\u00c3\u00a4\u00c3\u009fig strg rechts)\n Herbert-51, dann sollte das men\u00c3\u00bc wieder auftauchen\n ppq ja er zeigt mir ja das menue aber es steht nur Hilfe drin alles andere ist raus\n nabend. hatte ja hier berichtet, dass ich probleme mit meinen panels auf dem desktop habe. manchmal sind diese eine zeit lang nicht sichtbar nach dem booten, danach erscheinen sie. habe jetzt festgestellt, dass ich in der zeit, wo die panel nicht sichtbar sind, keinen zugriff auf meine windows-partition habe. in htop l\u00c3\u00a4uft dann immer ein prozess \"/sbin/fstrim -av\". inwiefern kann dieser trim-befehl denn damit\n zusammenh\u00c3\u00a4ngen, dass meine panel eine weile nicht sichtbar sind? wird die ssd evtl. nicht richtig davon unterst\u00c3\u00bctzt? k\u00c3\u00b6nnte ich in diesem fall das \"trimmen\" einfach deaktivieren oder was k\u00c3\u00b6nnte ich in dem fall machen?\n auf der (einen) ssd in meinem system liegen: windows und / (root) des ubuntu\n zitat aus dem wiki: \"Ein gesondertes Setzen der Option f\u00c3\u00bcr einen TRIM-Befehl ist ab Ubuntu 14.04 nicht mehr erforderlich. Dies wird \u00c3\u00bcber die Datei /etc/cron.weekly/fstrim erledigt.\" - das komische nur: bei mir gibt es keine datei \"/etc/cron.weekly/fstrim\". scheinbar wird die ssd aber dennoch per \"online discard\" - also automatisch - getrimmt?\n es gab doch diesen befehl \"systemctl. ...\" mit dem man das nachvollziehen konnte (schade, dass dies im wiki komplett verschwiegen wird)\n p01nt3r: welche ubuntu-verison hast du denn da?\n 18.04 (mate)\n und was f\u00c3\u00bcr ne ssd?\n adata sp 900\n 128 gb\n hmm okay das scheint ein \u00c3\u00a4lteres modell zu sein\n jap\n ich suche grade die spezifikationen raus\n habe gerade (wieder) festgestellt, dass mir \"systemctl status fstrim.timer\" die geplante trim-aufgabe anzeigt\n und \"journalctl -u fstrim.service\" das Ergebnis.\n ah sehr gut, das suchte ich auch grade\n als die spezifikationen daf\u00c3\u00bcr sind nicht mehr online. aber laut geuzhals ist es 2D-NAND MLC \u00e2\u0080\u00a2 MTBF: 1 Mio. hours\n \u00c3\u00bcber fstrim steht da aber nix\n \"journalctl -u fstrim.service\" sagt mir jedenfalls, dass soundso viele GiB auf / sowie /windows getrimmt wurden - bleibt die frage, was man gegen die unbenutzbarkeit des systems w\u00c3\u00a4hrend des trim-jobs tun kann - da dieser manchmal doch recht lange dauert und es nervt.\n auf der libata-Blacklist sind sie nicht drauf, sollten also TRIM k\u00c3\u00b6nnen, sowohl per native command queing als auch seriell https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/HEAD/drivers/ata/libata-core.c#L4556\n Title: linux/libata-core.c at 0b5b1f9a78b5e1bb3c3972fcd27dc013367550f8 \u00c2\u00b7 torvalds/linux \u00c2\u00b7 GitHub (at github.com)\n ja, das ist grade bei \u00c3\u00a4lteren ssds ein bekanntes 'problem'\n du k\u00c3\u00b6nnest halt die zeit des jobs \u00c3\u00a4ndern sch\u00c3\u00a4tze ich\n so dass er dich nicht nervt.\n aber das klappt auch nur dann wenn der rechner dann an ist\n (nicht aus / im standby)\n hmmm\n was, wenn ich das ganz deaktiviere, was w\u00c3\u00a4re die konsequenz?\n p01nt3r: die ssd wird irgendwann kriechend lahm\n wie wurde das denn vorher geregelt?\n wovor?\n bevor trim mir solche probleme bereitete, z.b. in 14.04?\n bzw. 16.04\n ich tippe mal 14.04 hat ggf. noch gar nicht trim gemacht\n 16.04 macht's \u00c3\u00bcber den cronjob den du in der doku gefunden hast\n der sieht wie folgt aus:\n und wieso gabs da nie probleme?\n #!/bin/sh\n # trim all mounted file systems which support it\n /sbin/fstrim --all || true\n p01nt3r: kannst ja mal in der servicedefinition gucken auf dem 18.04 wie da das fstrim gemacht wird\n tomreyn, wie genau mache ich das?\n p01nt3r: \"systemctl status fstrim.timer\" sagt dir wo der timer definiert ist. den kannst du dir angucken oder auch posten\n \"/lib/systemd/system/fstrim.timer\"\n p01nt3r: ich hab mal ne 18.04 VM gestartet. da sehe ich /lib/systemd/system/fstrim.timer und entsprechend dazu /lib/systemd/system/fstrim.service\n letzteres enth\u00c3\u00a4lt ExecStart=/sbin/fstrim -av\n macht also exakt das gleiche, nur noch verbose dazu\n insofern sollte sich da keine ver\u00c3\u00a4nderung zwischen dem fstrim per cronjob uznd dem fstrim per systemd-service ergeben\n komisch.\n aber vielleicht ist deine ssd inzwischen insgesamt etwas beh\u00c3\u00a4biger\n kannst ja mal gucken was SMART dazu sagt\n !smart\n smart is https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Festplattenstatus/\n lol muss ich das etwa per root ausf\u00c3\u00bchren?\n welche zeilen sind relevant?\n tomreyn, wo sehe ich die infos, welches modell trim inwieweit unterst\u00c3\u00bctzt?\n z.b. f\u00c3\u00bcr eine kingston sv300 120 gb\n p01nt3r: also trim unterst\u00c3\u00bctzen eiegentlich s\u00c3\u00a4mtliche ssd-modelle seit sp\u00c3\u00a4testens der zweiten generation. grunds\u00c3\u00a4tzlich sollte das in den hersteller-spezifikationen drin stehen. au\u00c3\u009ferdem sollte es mit hdparm abrufbar sein\n mit der hab ich in meinem 2. system keine probleme (beim gleichen os)\n werde mal schauen, ob dort das trim auch aktiviert ist\n und evtl. nochmal auf so eine ssd zugreifen\n \"hdparm -I /dev/X\" ausf\u00c3\u00bchren und dabei X durch die entsprechende device node der SSD ersetzen\n also z.b. /dev/sda\n das zeigt dann entweder was mit \"discard\" oder mit \"Data set Management TRIM\" an\n $ sudo hdparm -I /dev/sda | grep -Ei '(TRIM|discard)'\n \t *\tData Set Management TRIM supported (limit 8 blocks)\n ^ beispiel von meiner samsung 850 evo\n bei mir kommt da;\n Data Set Management TRIM supported (limit 1 block)\n Deterministic read data after TRIM\n ja, also gehts, nur halt langsam\n ansonsten poste doch mal \"sudo smartctl -a /dev/X\" mit X ersetzt durch die device node.\n w\u00c3\u00bcrde evtl. ein firmware-upgrade was bringen (falls es eines gibt)?\n https://paste.debian.net/1036739/\n Title: debian Pastezone (at paste.debian.net)\n vielleicht, vielleicht auch nicht, wie das halt bei firmware updates immer so ist.\n und es w\u00c3\u00a4re die frage, woher ich das bekomme ^^\n hersteller, wenn \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt.\n ganz sch\u00c3\u00b6n viele power cycles\n 357 < unexpected power loss. machst du deinen rechner \u00c3\u00b6fter einfahc mal aus?\n also powerknopf gedr\u00c3\u00bcckt halten oder strom ziehen oder stromzufuhr kappen?\n hmm scheint schon die neueste drauf zu sein, ist von 2014, wird wohl auch nicht mehr unterst\u00c3\u00bctzt.\n ansonsten sieht das ok aus.kannst ja mal nen langen smart self test machen: sudo smartctl -t long /dev/X\n tomreyn, eine zeitlang ja, da gabs probleme mit dem home nachdem ich was zerschossen hatte, habe es dann iwann sauber neu aufgesetzt (betraf konfig-dateien in der /home, machten das system unbenutzbar)\n ist es normal, dass dann gleich wieder ein prompt da ist nach dem langen selbsttest? die ssd scheint nichts zu machen\n also 260 mal ist ja schon recht viel. an sich sollte man das vermeiden. zum gl\u00c3\u00bcck ist das bei ssd's nicht so schlimm wie bei festplatten.\n ja, ist normal. der selbsttest wird nur angesto0en und dann nach ca. ner stunde ist er fertig\n m\u00c3\u00bcsste die hdd-led jetzt nicht gl\u00c3\u00bchen?\n du kannst dich mit \"sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdX\" nach dem status erkundigen. und wenn er irgendwann durch ist zeigt das auch unten ind er tabelle das ergebnis an\n nee, der selbsttest der l\u00c3\u00a4uft relativ langsam so nebenbei, damit du noch arbeiten kannst.\n und das die firmware den selbst veranstaltet kriegt der controller das auch gar nicht mit\n -das\n achso, es dringt also nicht nach aussen und somit leuchtet auch keine led\n yo, die led ist ja ans mainboard verkabelt, da gibts so zwei pins wo die led bei bedarf strom her kriegt und dann leuchtet.\n und ob sie strom kriegt entscheidet der sata-controller, der auf dem mainboard mit drauf sitzt.\n die led wird also nicht von der ssd selbst gesteuert.\n ist oft auch so bei internen hdd-bays, da leuchtet dann auch nix\n grunds\u00c3\u00a4tzlich f\u00c3\u00bchren inzwischen viele 'bauteile' im computer ein eigenleben, sind z.t. eigene mini-computer mit eigenr cpu und eigenem arbeitsspeicher. das gilt auch f\u00c3\u00bcr SSDs und festplatten.\n die machen dann gerne mal irgendwas irgendwie und verraten dem recht des computers dar\u00c3\u00bcer ggf. gar nix\n das das meist alles propriet\u00c3\u00a4rer code ist der da l\u00c3\u00a4uft (firmware blobs) wei\u00c3\u009f man dann in der regel auch nicht was die da machen\n die sache wird scheinbar immer undurchdringlicher ...\n \"60% of test remaining.\"\n diese werte sind nicht sehr verl\u00c3\u00a4sslich. einfahc immer mal wieder gucken. nach 1-2 stunden sollte es vorbei sein\n wollen wir das morgen mal zusammen auswerten?\n oh ich sehe grade dass ich verpielt hab dass die firmware wohl nicht in der lage ist die ergebnisse des tests dazustellen\n XD\n zeile 83 sagt das aus https://paste.debian.net/1036739/\n Title: debian Pastezone (at paste.debian.net)\n aber es kann auch sein dass das ne fehlinformation ist und da nach abschluss des tests dann ne weitere tabelle angezeigt wird\n einfahc malabwarten\n jo k\n kannst ja morgen nochmal die ergebnisse posten hier\n ok mach ich, danke!\n b\u00c3\u00bcdde. und ich bin mal ne weile wech.\n#ubuntu-de 2018-08-05\n hi, ich w\u00c3\u00bcrd gern wissen, ob schon jemand von 16.04 lts regul\u00c3\u00a4r auf 18.04 upgraden konnte. hab zwei systeme, einen headless server 16.04 lts und ein desktop ubuntu gnome 16.04 lts und auf beiden bringt sudo do-release-upgrade keine ergebnisse, obwohl 18.04.1 doch schon drau\u00c3\u009fen ist. (mit regul\u00c3\u00a4r meine ich ohne den -d schalter)\n ging hier auch noch nicht\n tomreyn, hi, es gibt wohl nichts neues vom smartctl -a /dev/X... soll ich es nochmal nopasten?\n hier jedenfalls der aufruf nach dem langen selbsttest: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kDqHDgcrQk/\n Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)\n p01nt3r: sorry, hatte dich verpasst vorhin\n tomreyn, kein ding\n p01nt3r: es ist wie ich gestern bef\u00c3\u00bcrchtet hatte: dieses laufwek kann die ergebnisse des smarttests nicht darstellen. der test selbst ist aber abgeschlossen, wie sich zeile 28 ff. entnehmen l\u00c3\u00a4sst\n also kann ich da nichts mehr machen?\n p01nt3r: so ein selbsttest sorgt aber auch daf\u00c3\u00bcr dass die werte in der gro\u00c3\u009fen tabelle 'aktualisiert' werden (weil viel gelesen und geschribene wird), und das sieht noch so gut aus wie gestern, also w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich sagen der ist noch in ordnung\n re\n tomreyn, aber an diesem lahmen getrimme kann ich so nichts \u00c3\u00a4ndern?\n p01nt3r: das 'problem' um das es ging war ja dass die ssd beim fstrim sehr langsam wird, ne?\n du kannst es abschalten und dann nur bei bedarf ausf\u00c3\u00bchren. aber das f\u00c3\u00bchrt dann ggf. dazu dass du es vergisst und die ssd noch schneller kaputt geht als n\u00c3\u00b6tig.\n \"kaputt geht\" -> \"das ende ihrer zugedachten lebenszeit \u00c3\u00bcberschreitet\". ;)\n aber du kannst das trimmer z.b. auch nur einmal im monat machen oder so\n *trimmen\n alternativ kannst du die ssd zum fu\u00c3\u009fballspeilen verwenden und durch eine der aktuellen generation ersetzen.\n ich ziehe das letztere vor :-)\n da w\u00c3\u00bcrd ich dann allerdings zu schienbeinschonern raten.\n ich k\u00c3\u00b6nnte den trimmer ja mal testweise ne weile abschalten und schauen ob dann alles i.o. l\u00c3\u00a4uft. dann weiss ich wenigstens dass es auch wirklich daran liegt (das problem mit den nicht sichtbaren panels nach dem starten)\n du k\u00c3\u00b6nntest auch einfach mehr als einmal die woche X neustarten, dann wei\u00c3\u009ft du's auch.\n denn getrimmt wird ja nur einmal die woche\n p01nt3r: ^\n tomreyn, oder ich baue den trim-befehl in mein backup mit ein. das mache ich so alle 1-2 monate.\n p01nt3r: mach was du magst ;-) lies dir ggf. nochmal https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/SSD/TRIM/ durch, falls du nicht schon hast. der artikel gibt nen guten \u00c3\u00bcberblick \u00c3\u00bcber das f\u00c3\u00bcr und wider der verscheidneen optionen.\n Title: TRIM \u00e2\u0080\u00ba SSD \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Wiki \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)\n tomreyn, kann man dieses getrimme nicht erst starten, nachdem wenigstens meine panel in jedem fall da sind? dann w\u00c3\u00a4re ich auch schon gl\u00c3\u00bccklich :-)\n p01nt3r: das k\u00c3\u00b6nnte man wom\u00c3\u00b6glich skripten. aber wie gesagt: es passiert eh nur einmal pro woche, somit ist es sehr einfach herauszufinden ob das sp\u00c3\u00a4te laden der panels dadurch verursachte wird oder nicht.\n tomreyn, lass uns das mal deaktivieren, ich mache es manuell.\n p01nt3r: systemctl service disable fstrim.service\n er konnte mit dem ersten service scheinbar nichts anfangen, habe jetzt \"systemctl disable fstrim.service\" abgesetzt aber ist immer noch aktiv(waiting).\n p01nt3r: huch, ja, das 'service' ist mir da irgendwie rein gerutscht. du musst ggf. noch den timer disablen: \"systemctl disable fstrim.timer\"\n tomreyn, das biest ist trotzdem noch aktic\n v\n p01nt3r: stoppen musst du's dann auch noch, hast es ja nur f\u00c3\u00bcr den n\u00c3\u00a4chsten system-start deaktiviert\n danke!\n bin zur\u00c3\u00bcck von Wacken. sch\u00c3\u00b6n wars. warm und staubig\n 75.000 leute und ich laufe tats\u00c3\u00a4chlich meinem arbeitskollegen \u00c3\u00bcber den weg, ich wusste ja dass er auch da ist. haben dann noch festgestellt, dass wir ca in 120m abstand campen\n * Rochvellon sklaps dr_evil_\n aber warum?\n fc\n https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfxXToXj9CQ\n Title: WOA 2018: Wie gehen die Metalheads mit Hitze und Staub um? - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)\n sie haben sich im kanal verirrt, mein herr\n der Drachenlord \"pr\u00c3\u00bcgelt\" sich https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvdHbEPoJME\n Title: Drachenlord pr\u00c3\u00bcgelt sich mit einen Haider - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)\n tomreyn: tats\u00c3\u00a4chlich. hast recht, wollte eigentlich nach offtopic\n hatte ich mal ganz stark vermutet ;)\n hier ist aber auch so garnix los um diese zeit, keine ernsten probleme zu l\u00c3\u00b6sen ;) gute nacht\n ja der ganze tag war eher ruhig heute\n#ubuntu-de 2019-07-29\n Kennt sich jemand mit dem Backlight aus? Ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte die FN Tasten vom Intel auf das acpi_video0 Backlight umleiten.\n#ubuntu-de 2019-07-30\n Ich habe hier einen ausrangierten proliant dl380p gen8. Wir \u00c3\u00bcberlegen uns, welches OS passend w\u00c3\u00a4re, um ihn lizenzfrei weiterbenutzen zu k\u00c3\u00b6nnen. W\u00c3\u00a4re Ubuntu-Server passend?\n Ich habe es mal mit einer Life-ISO probiert, aber schwer zu sagen, ob es eine gute Wahl w\u00c3\u00a4re. Jedenfalls hat sich der Server nach dem Runterfahren aufgeh\u00c3\u00a4ngt und \u00c3\u00bcberhitzt.\n er hat sich aufgeh\u00c3\u00a4ngt? \n das ist ja fies\n also ja, probier doch ubuntu-server... \n der wurde f\u00c3\u00bcr 14.04 f\u00c3\u00bcr ubuntu zertifiziert. w\u00c3\u00bcrde mich wundern wenn der jetzt gar nicht mehr geht.\n nicht aufgeh\u00c3\u00a4ngt. Halt nicht abgeschaltet und der L\u00c3\u00bcfter ist auf 100%.\n k1l_: naja, dass was mal unter linux ging und sp\u00c3\u00a4ter nicht mehr ist schon eher sehr selten...\n doev: das w\u00c3\u00bcrde ich auf die live cd schliessen. Einfach mal versuchen zu installieren und gut ist.\n will die Live nicht immer noch \"CD entfernen und dann Enter dr\u00c3\u00bccken\"? Und das wurde einfach nur nicht angezeigt?\n das kann sein. Hatte den Monitor evtl. schon abgeklemmt.\n .... aber dass der sich dann \u00c3\u00bcberhitz.\n das ist eher dreck im Filter, da kann ubuntu nix daf\u00c3\u00bcr.\n der lief immer konstant vor sich hin. Nie mit Problemen.\n teste es mit einem install\n yep\n die live cd hat keine (kernel) updates und ein etwas spezeilleres setup mit laden der treiber. das kann beim install kein problem sein.\n Wie l\u00c3\u00a4uft denn diese Zertifizierung? Kann man diese selbst ausf\u00c3\u00bchren, oder ist daf\u00c3\u00bcr viel manuelle Arbeit notwendig? https://certification.ubuntu.com/hardware/201309-14187/\n Title: Ubuntu on HPE ProLiant DL380p Gen8 | Ubuntu (at certification.ubuntu.com)\n das macht der hersteller mit ubuntu. damit wird f\u00c3\u00bcr die version garantiert, dass es l\u00c3\u00a4uft weil es nach den zertifizierungstests getestet wurde\n aber das war damals mit 14.04. das ist jetzt tot\n dl380p gen8 gehtr definitiv mit ubuntu (server) 14.04 und 16.04, ich kenne ne firma die das auf hunderten servern so nutzt\n ach doev ist ja l\u00c3\u00a4ngst weg...\n#ubuntu-de 2019-07-31\n Hallo zusammen, beim Versuch einige devel libs f\u00c3\u00bcr das kompilieren von kdenlive zu installieren habe ich mir meine KDE Installation zerschossen :-(\n Als ich sah dass muon diverse KDE Pakete l\u00c3\u00b6scht habe ich ziemlich panisch muon geschlossen und habe aktuell noch kde laufen kann aber kein neues Programm mehr starten. Nicht mal Konsole :-(\n Mit STRG+ALT+F2 komme ich auf eine neue Konsole und habe bei bei \"apt --fix-broken install\" folgende Ausgabe: https://mycloud.haemmerlinge.de/index.php/s/kPkBR2gWBFjH2bz\n Title: Nextcloud (at mycloud.haemmerlinge.de)\n Ich meine es war ein Paket wie libopengl-es-dev oder sowas was ich zuletzt installieren wollte was dann pl\u00c3\u00b6tzlich den ganzen KDE-Desktop bei apt abgew\u00c3\u00a4hlt und leider auch schon halb deinstalliert hat. \n Hat jemand eine Idee wie ich das reparieren kann?\n den kde desktop wieder installieren?\n h\u00c3\u00a4tte ich jetzt auch gesagt, einfach in eines der teminalfenster wechseln und apt install [kde-metapaket]\n mir is nur grade entfallen wie selbiges heisst\n Hab ich auch schon versucht. Bei apt install kubuntu-desktop kommt dann diverse Male \"Paket xyz wird empfohlen, darf aber nicht installiert werden\" \n https://mycloud.haemmerlinge.de/index.php/s/5GwDsrpaBsMBjae\n Title: Nextcloud (at mycloud.haemmerlinge.de)\n da steht sicher irgendwo warum. Warum machst du eigentlich so komishce Photos statt pastebin?\n doitux: zeig och mal sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -qqy update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 *doch\n und nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};echo \"$XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ($XDG_SESSION_TYPE)\";echo Shell: $SHELL) \n tomreyn: http://termbin.com/69ti\n dann probier doch erst mal sudo apt --fix-broken install\n tomreyn: http://termbin.com/5ruz\n ok, 19.04, standard-kernel, standard-bootparameter\n tomreyn: http://termbin.com/42mw\n und 3 apt-fremdquellen, die aber wohl keine probleme machen sollten.\n doitux: das sind jetzt ein paar gnome-pakete die da installiert w\u00c3\u00bcrden. brauchst du davon welche?\n gnome / gtk\n nein, ich bef\u00c3\u00bcrchte dass die versehentlich mit angew\u00c3\u00a4hlt wurden und dadurch das KDE abgew\u00c3\u00a4hlt wurde ... ich nutze nur KDE\n gibt apt-mark showhold was aus?\n falls nicht, zeig mal sudo apt --simulate --yes install kubuntu-desktop 2>&1 > /tmp/apt && cat /tmp/apt | nc termbin.com 9999\n apt-mark showhold gibt nichts aus\n hui so viele doituxe\n tomreyn: sorry ich muss erstmal weg. melde mich nachher nochmal wegen der fix Missing Ausgabe. vielen Dank erstmal f\u00c3\u00bcr deine Hilfe!\n bitte\n bis denne\n tomreyn: https://pastebin.com/xeT5t92j\n Title: doitux@doitux-W65-67SZ:~/Ablage$ sudo apt --simulate --yes install kubuntu-deskt - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)\n Ich hab doch gerade noch eine offene Konsole im Dolphin gefunden ;-)\n hat der keine url ausgegeben?\n nein\n Nur die Meldung wie im pastebin\n Ganz korrekt sieht es so aus: https://pastebin.com/W8mE5Fun\n Title: doitux@doitux-W65-67SZ:~/Ablage$ sudo apt --simulate --yes install kubuntu-deskt - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)\n tomreyn: So sieht es ohne den termbin.com service aus: https://pastebin.com/8QWp0v0P\n Title: doitux@doitux-W65-67SZ:~/Ablage$ sudo apt --simulate --yes install kubuntu-deskt - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)\n doitux: dann probier mal das hier: sudo apt-get --simulate --yes install kubuntu-desktop^ 2>&1 >/tmp/apt ; cat /tmp/apt | nc termbin.com 9999\n das ^ ist so richtig und wichtig.\n tomreyn: danke f\u00c3\u00bcr die Hilfe, inzwischen hab ich es gefixt bekommen. I hab dann \"apt --fix-missing install\" mal ganz mutig durchlaufen lassen. Anschlie\u00c3\u009fend dann schnell wieder apt-get install kubuntu-desktop und nun l\u00c3\u00a4ufts wieder ... ;-)\n jetzt versuche ich mal nen Neustart ...\n doitux: scheint geklappt zu haben?\n Jo, alles prima! Nochmal danke f\u00c3\u00bcr die geduldige Hilfestellung!\n auch wenn ich pers\u00c3\u00b6nlich nix dazu tat sag ich mal stellvertretend \"gern geschehn!\"\n doitux: bitte. mir ist imme rnoch etwas unklar wieso sich der apt dependency resolver da jetzt so angestellt hat. normalerweise macht er das nur wenn ihm da noch altpakete quersitzen.\n doitux: hiermit kannst du pr\u00c3\u00bcfen ob das der fall ist: https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts#foreign_packages\n Title: GitHub - tomreyn/scripts: Utility scripts, mostly for Ubuntu and Debian (at github.com)\n Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/751b50cadb69c85215dd8365d67dde28/pasted.txt\n tomreyn: ^^\n doitux: das sieht ok aus, dann lags wohl doch nur daran dass die gnome/gtk-pakete als zu installieren markiert waren.\n genau, und dann dass ich mittendrin abgebrochen hatte ... :-/\n yo das k\u00c3\u00b6nnte der grund gewesen sein\n h\u00c3\u00a4tte vielleicht sogar ein \"apt install -f\" gereicht?\n das hat er am ende gemacht, aber es hat dann halt diverse gnome / gtk mitgebracht die er eigentlich nicht wollte\n ...welche ja wohl schon bei den vorangegangenen Aktionen zur Installation vorgesehen (von wem auch immer veranlasst) wurden\n#ubuntu-de 2019-08-01\n guten morgen. habe gerade ubuntu-mate 18.04.2 neu aufgesetzt und nur die updates aufgespielt. habe bei der installation 2 ntfs-partitionen mit angegeben zum mounten. diese geh\u00c3\u00b6ren jetzt: root:list und ich kann sie weder manuell mounten noch kann ich in der fstab uid und gid den namen meines benutzers geben. was ist denn da passiert? hab ich was verpasst?\n so prinzipiell nicht, n\u00c3\u00b6\n wenn ich in der fstab die rechte der beiden ntfs-partition \u00c3\u00a4ndere auf uid=myuser und gid=myuser dann bekomm ich nur noch den rescuemode und er bootet nicht mehr.\n muss irgendwas lokales bei dir sein\n drc, was genau meinst du mit \"lokales\"? in welche richtung geht das?\n hatte noch nie die gruppe \"list\" auf den laufwerken, auch nicht wenn ich die fstab bearbeitet hatte...\n naja, prinzipiell funktioniert das mounten von ntfs mit 18.04, also stimmt irgendwas an deiner lokalen konfiguration nicht\n k\u00c3\u00b6nnte es sein, dass nach der neuinstallation deine userid anders ist und du aus versehen die alte eingetragen hast?\n list ist eine systemgruppe\n was stimmt da bitte nicht: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PjCyYvn7GY/\n Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)\n auf einem neues system haben benutzer und gruppe beide die ID 1000\n lol ich glaub ich weiss es...\n habe einen parameter vergessen\n Ich mein, 46 ist plugdev, das sollte eignetlich passen\n probiere was, brb\n das mit dem mounten hat sich erledigt. jetzt kommt das n\u00c3\u00a4chste komische:\n obwohl keine nouveau-pakete installiert sind und ich in die /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf nouveau eingetragen habe, wird das modul geladen?\n wo holt der sich das bitte noch her?\n oder muss ich nouveau nicht mehr blacklisten, um nvidia zu installieren?\n kann den kernel-parameter \"modprobe.blacklist=nouveau\" nicht mit angeben, weil er mich mit shift nicht ins grub-men\u00c3\u00bc l\u00c3\u00a4sst...\n hmm scheinbar wurde beim update die /etc/default/grub so ge\u00c3\u00a4ndert dass das grub-men\u00c3\u00bc versteckt wird, habs ge\u00c3\u00a4ndert - testen\n nabend. wie kann ich das script \"/etc/qemu-ifup\" verwenden mit qemu? braucht es einen parameter, falls ja welchen? muss ich daf\u00c3\u00bcr zuerst eine bridge anlegen? falls ja, wie?\n ich brauche in qemu internet sowie zugriff host<->guest\n habe eben die anleitung auf http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Networking durchgearbeitet aber das klappt alles iwie nur sporadisch, teilweise wird gar keine bridge angelegt usw....\n Title: Networking - KVM (at www.linux-kvm.org)\n und: gibts keinen einfacheren weg?\n den inhalt der /etc/network/interfaces kann ich auch noch nicht so richtig interpretieren\n (die ist noch so wie nach der installation)\n ja, ich denke router/bzw. firewall\n http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4GHkT2sZSk/\n Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)\n das w\u00c3\u00a4re dann das routing mit iptables, Fussel?\n joa\n Fussel, meinst du das funzt so wie auf der kvm seite beschrieben oder gibts ne wirklich gute anleitung dazu?\n am besten ubuntu-spezifisch?\n ich kann schlecht denglisch/amerikanisch, lass mich mal nachdenken\n ich such mal was auf deutsch\n ok, danke\n Fussel, bedenke dabei: ich brauche internet auf host und auf gast\n p01nt3r: hast du \u00c3\u00bcberhaubt sowas installiert bez\u00c3\u00bcglich firewall?\n ob ich ne firewall installiert habe?\n bisher nicht.\n j\n OK\n und wenn wir das ohne machen? im guest l\u00c3\u00a4uft nix wichtiges\n dann k\u00c3\u00b6nnen wir ja den router \u00c3\u00b6ffenen p01nt3r?\n bez\u00c3\u00bcglich ports\n versuchen wir es einfach mal\n jo mach einfach mal\n ich? es ist dein router :D\n wieso heisst eig. jetzt die ethernet-schnittstelle \"enp3s0\" und nicht mehr \"eth0\"?\n aha?\n (das war bei mir gleich nach der frischen installation schon so)\n p01nt3r, neues namensschema, bei dem eine netzwerkkarte immer den selben namen bekommt, und nicht \"in order of appearance\" \n das hat aber mit dem router nix tun, joa,\n ich r\u00c3\u00a4tsel noch\n p01nt3r: liest du aus der anleitung irgendwelche ports raus?\n gib mir mal hersteller und typ vom router, evtl. finde ich da was\n aha, das mit dem enp3s0 ist eine sicherheitstechnische modernisierung\n alles ist heutzutage wegen \"sicherheit\"\n asus rt-n56u\n ist der router\n 3.0.0.4.378_4850 firmware version\n habe \u00c3\u00bcbrigens alles, was bisher gescheitert ist auch gleich wieder r\u00c3\u00bcckg\u00c3\u00a4nging gemacht, system sollte also sauber sein.\n p01nt3r: schau dir den link mal an: https://portforward.com/asus/rt-n56u/\n Title: Simple Asus RT-N56U Router Open Port Instructions (at portforward.com)\n plasterouter\n Fussel, wie geht es danach weiter? hast du ne anleitung gefunden?\n Fussel, und wieso m\u00c3\u00bcssen wir die ports \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt \u00c3\u00b6ffnen?\n p01nt3r: port offen f\u00c3\u00bcr den kvm?\n nein noch nicht, s.o.\n ja, ich verstehe, macht man normalerweise nicht, nur wegen \"test\", evtl will das dein kvm\n aber nicht tragisch\n also muss ich da nach den ports f\u00c3\u00bcr kvm suchen..\n ja\n gibt es nicht auf der liste aller ports\n p01nt3r: evtl. willst du ein unkritischeres kvm\n ok\n ich denke du kannst erstmal alle ports \u00c3\u00b6ffnen :D\n *grin*\n dein kvm ist nunmal hoch kompliziert\n wie hack ich dem das jetzt da rein?\n name \"kvm\" portbereich 0-9999?\n irgend sowas jo, das veratet die seite nat\u00c3\u00bcrlich nicht, ich such mal nach ner anleitung\n oder hast n link?\n ich soll den server als \"DMZ\" einrichten\n laut https://community.linksys.com/t5/Wireless-Routers/How-do-I-open-all-Ports/td-p/47518\n Title: How do I open all Ports? - Linksys Community (at community.linksys.com)\n ich kann das hier aktivieren\n \"IP-Adresse der exponierten Station\" will er haben\n mach mal\n das w\u00c3\u00a4re dann die von diesem pc logisch...\n der ist atm aber als dhcp konfiguriert, nicht statiscgh\n -g\n (nur zur info)\n schick sieht der router schonmal aus, gibts f\u00c3\u00bcr 15\u00e2\u0082\u00ac bei ebay :D\n xD\n hat ne gute sendeleistung\n haben se mitlerweile alle je nach einstellung des handys\n jo hab\n gut\n der is nichtmal off gegangen dazu xD\n hrhr\n alle ports offen\n ?\n wie teste ich das?\n https://openwrt.org/toh/asus/rt-n56u\n Title: OpenWrt Project: Asus RT-N56U (at openwrt.org)\n ah, wenigsten wrt\n s\n (f\u00c3\u00bcr sp\u00c3\u00a4ter ;-) )\n joa, bauen wir noch den router um\n aber erstmal das hochkomplizierte kvm, bitte :D\n was f\u00c3\u00bcrn kvm isn das?\n siehe link von p01nt3r\n das ausm ubuntuusers wiki\n ok, der hatte mitlereweile viele\n achso die virtualisierung\n dachte ihr meint keyboard video mouse\n das ist ubuntuusers? haben die den style ge\u00c3\u00a4ndert?\n stop nein xD\n http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Networking\n Title: Networking - KVM (at www.linux-kvm.org)\n lol\n sorry, ich halte die klappe, macht mal weiter\n aha, fremdquelle\n w\u00c3\u00bcrde aber gerne etwas ubuntu-spezifischer vorgehen - wobei die angaben im ubuntu wiki schon extrem veraltet sind\n (und davon ab haben die auch nie funktioniert)\n p01nt3r: dann nutze ein kvm aus den original ubuntu quellen\n siehst ja wie hochkmpliziert das ist\n habe qemu-kvm installiert und meinen user der gruppe kvm hinzugef\u00c3\u00bcgt, wie es da steht\n und das war es ja da dann auch schon fast mit infos ^^\n was ist denn das ziel der ganzen sache? VMs unter ubuntu betreiben? und aus dem internet zugreifbar machen?\n p01nt3r: ich empfehle mal ein kvm aus den ubuntuquellen...\n so in etwa tomreyn\n Fussel, es ist doch aus dem quellen xD\n den\n kvm ist im kernel\n weia\n und die userspace-software dazu in ubuntu\n qemu ist auch aus den quellen\n da brauch jetzt n beer\n l\u00c3\u00a4uft auf dem host ne GUI?\n also ein grafischer desktop?\n es l\u00c3\u00a4uft so: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Wz2rPwJ53q/\n Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)\n tomreyn, du meinst die edition?\n ubuntu-version und flavour, ja\n ubuntu-mate 18.04.2 mit marco compositor\n da ist ja gar nix eingestellt?\n Fussel, wo, bei deinem bier? ^^\n bei dem script ;)\n also falls du das \u00c3\u00bcber ne gui konfigurieren m\u00c3\u00b6chtest kannst du dir virt-manager installieren. f\u00c3\u00bcr ne CLI-konfiguration empfiehlt sich virsh\n Fussel, was soll ich da noch einstellen?\n alles?\n tomreyn, mit virt-manager bin ich durch. virsh ist mir zu unverst\u00c3\u00a4ndlich\n Fussel, na dann schiess mal los was ich da noch so alles brauche xD\n oder wenn du's graphisch und \"einfach\" magst nimmste halt virtualbox.\n tomreyn, nein, die performance davon ist f\u00c3\u00bcr meine zwecke zu schlecht.\n p01nt3r: such dir ein einfacheres kvm, solved?\u00c2\u00bf\n ok, wollt ich grade sagen\n was ist denn das ziel?\n braucht es ein ganzes os? oder reicht da nicht nen container?\n bin ich momentan auch am r\u00c3\u00a4tseln\n internet in host und gast, verbindung zwischen host und gast\n ich tipte ja auf den router\n der scheint es aber nicht zu sein\n k1l_, container hab ich auch schon was von gelesen aber leider nicht weiter verfolgt\n p01nt3r: was soll im gast laufen :)\n aha?\n p01nt3r: weil evtl braucht deine aufgabe kein ganzes os sondern es reicht ein container\n Fussel, woher weisst du das jetzt schon?\n *grin*\n wenn sich k1l_einschaltet bin ich raus :D\n Fussel war zuerst! ^^\n ja, aber k1l_ist profi\n quak nein, container w\u00c3\u00a4re total ok, wenn es f\u00c3\u00bcr meine zwecke reicht\n aber ihr d\u00c3\u00bcrft nicht lachen ja?\n *verkneif*\n ich mache das aus energie-effizienten und Kosten-Gr\u00c3\u00bcnden...\n und weil ich voran kommen will xD\n Diablo 2... ^^ *sch\u00c3\u00a4m*\n ihr lacht jetzt n\u00c3\u00a4? ^^\n du willst eine vm aufsetzen f\u00c3\u00bcr diabolo2 zu spielen?\n jap\n warum nicht nativ auf dem host?\n ja, einmal da und einmal in der vm\n xD\n mir erschliesst sich der sinn nicht so ganz.\n kuck k1l_ regelt das ganz einfach :D\n in virtualbox verh\u00c3\u00a4lt sich das fenster sehr tr\u00c3\u00a4ge und der sound ist extrem ka**e.\n wozu sound?\n k1l_, ich will 2 chars in ein game bekommen, mit beiden online gehen usw...\n und da ich auch intensiv single player spiele brauch ich die interne netzwerk-verbindung\n ich glaub ich darf jetzt :D\n Fussel, damit ich was h\u00c3\u00b6re vom game? xD\n aha, als router war schonmal falsch\n o\n Fussel, kann ich das DMZ wieder ausmachen?\n ja, sicher doch\n ok, stranges setup. aber container fallen dann raus.\n ja, dmz brauchst du nicht. deine vm sollte sich beim dhcp selber eine ip holen als eigener client\n sehr strange, nur zum zocken\n ich nenne es mal \"Passion\" ^^\n bevor ich \"abtr\u00c3\u00bcnnig\" geworden war, lief das mit nem tap-device mal, musste aber das script immer als root aufrufen.\n leider weiss ich nicht mehr genau wie ich es hinbekommen hab\n kann es also leider nur sehr schlecht reproduzieren\n nacht :)\n nacht\n ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde auch gerne die neuen optionen von qemu verwenden, also -net respektive -netdev\n und ich sehe einfach nicht ein f\u00c3\u00bcr diesen zweck nen zweiten rechner mit nem 2. diablo laufen zu lassen ^^\n * p01nt3r kommt sich auf einmal so verlassen vor\n k1l_, bist du noch da?\n und dann nen ubuntu in der vm mit wine?\n richtig\n lubuntu 19.04\n wine staging\n mit dxvk-patch\n ich nutze keine vm mit desktop. ich wei\u00c3\u009f aus der kalten hose nicht ob das dann ansprechend laufen wird.\n probieren wirs?\n vor allem weil der host ja auch schon wine mit dem spiel laufen hat.\n wie w\u00c3\u00bcrdest du es machen am einfachsten?\n bin verwirrt weil es auch mehrere tools und optionen gibt wie man das umsetzen kann.\n dann ist die frage, ob das, was man eben probiert hat (und nicht ging) mit ner anderen methode interferiert?\n deshalb hab ich hier jetzt auch alles wieder auf original zur\u00c3\u00bcck konfiguriert.\n ich habe wie gesagt mit den desktop im desktop keine erfahrung. aber ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde erst mal mit virt-manager anfangen und gucken ob ich das da nicht so einrichten kann.\n das kann ja qemu und kvm.\n k1l_, nach welcher anleitung w\u00c3\u00bcrdest du vorgehen?\n erst mal eine allgemeine f\u00c3\u00bcr virt-manager\n hatte immer den eindruck das fast jedes tut in der hinsicht unkomplett war\n oder eben nicht ubuntu-spezifisch\n sharefolder mit host sollte kein problem sein. wichtig ist, dass deine cpu da auch die entsprechenden flags hat, damit das nicht nur emuliert wird, weil dann ists noch langsamer\n das ist ja generell nicht ubuntu spezifisch.\n die netzanbindung kann halt schon ubuntu-spezifisch werden falls du's z.b. mit netplan machst. musst du aber ja nicht.\n shared-folder brauch ich nicht mal mehr, hab mir ne iso mit allem geschustert, was ich brauche, die h\u00c3\u00a4nge ich dann einfach rein und kopiere das in den gast.\n k1l_, die performance mit qemu ist ansich top, vt-x ist im bios aktiviert.\n und die cpu kann es auch.\n ohje, bios?\n Fussel, ich denke du schl\u00c3\u00a4fst? xD\n !niemals\n NIEMALS !\n looool\n hrhr\n noch n nudelsalat, dann versuche ichs nochmal\n k1l_, ich bin \u00c3\u00bcbers wiki darauf gestossen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KvmWithBridge da gibts eine option \"network 192.168.0.0\"\n Title: KvmWithBridge - Ubuntu Wiki (at wiki.ubuntu.com)\n was genau macht die zeile?\n feslegen auf welches netzwerk sich die subnetzmaske / broadcast-adresse bezieht\n p01nt3r: das kommt aus der normalen network interfaces. das ist nicht kvm/ubuntu spezifisch\n po p01nt3r versuchs mal damit: https://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/kvm-bridge-das-leidige-thema/\n Title: KVM Bridge - Das leidige Thema... \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Fortgeschrittene Netzwerkkonfiguration \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Fortgeschrittene Themen \u00e2\u0080\u00ba Forum \u00e2\u0080\u00ba ubuntuusers.de (at forum.ubuntuusers.de)\n ich glaube, jetzt habe ich abgeliefert :>\n so ruhig auf einmal\n joa bin mal wieder tuts am lesen xD\n Fussel, krasser beitrag von dir xD\n der typ scheint sich ja echt auszukennen aber am ende verzweifelt er lol\n mich regt jetzt schon dieser bug in virt-manager auf, dass man nur als root ne neue session anlegen kann... *g\u00c3\u00a4hn* - gute nacht erstmal.\n und ein dickes DANKE!\n#ubuntu-de 2019-08-03\n Guten Tag Frage kann man 2 dhcp server im netz laufen lassen\n ich habe einen f\u00c3\u00bcr Wlan das klappt prima \n nun habe ich mir eine IP cam zugelegt \"123\" und die will per Eth configuriert sein \n im heimnetz sind alle IP adressen statisch \n wozu einen zweiten DHCP-server, wenn dein lan und wlan eh verbunden sind?\n ich vermute das die Ipcam daher nach einem dhcp sucht \n einer reicht.\n der dhcp ist aber nur eine lan wlan bridge und der vergibt nur im wlan \n wl0191\n so ein stecker teil \n Grade eben eine idee kan man ger\u00c3\u00a4te im netz erkennen die keine ip haben \n hast du das wl0191 im AP mode laufen dann?\n PL7icnc, das wl0191 teil kannst du auch als AP konfigurieren, das unterst\u00c3\u00bctzt der laut hersteller. dann macht der wirklich nur wlan und kein dhcp. das dhcp kann dann dein haupt-router \u00c3\u00bcbernehmen, wo (vermutlich) deine lan-ger\u00c3\u00a4te dran h\u00c3\u00a4ngen\n nmap erkennt nur die rechner die ich mit statiche ip versehen habe und die tablets die vom Stecker adapter AP zugewiesen wurden \n es gibt keine Hauptrouter\n die h\u00c3\u00a4ngen am Switch\n das WWW Inet kommt via einer Netzwerkkarte auf das Heimnetz\n ORTS-Wlan -> Hauptrechner Wlan // LAN karte - switch \n Internet connection sharing\n ah, ok. ja, der rechner der \"internet connection sharing\" macht, sollte eigentlich auch dhcp machen.\n die ipcam ist eine ncb541w\n standardm\u00c3\u00a4\u00c3\u009fig, jedenfalls.\n ppq, ist das dieses isc-dhcp \n PL7icnc, wenn das ein ubuntu ist, ist das normalerweise dnsmasq\n konfiguration macht der network-manager automatisch\n ja ubuntu 18.04\n bei mir ist alles manuell\n moment idee ich ziehe mal eben das lan kabel von der cammera und versuche via tablett die wifi zu scannen was da kommt \n oha, ok :) dann kann ich nicht helfen. aber ein tipp: beschaff einen g\u00c3\u00bcnstigen wlan-router, der kann dann als client in dein orts-wlan -- und zeitgleich noch ein eigenes wlan f\u00c3\u00bcr dich betreiben. und die per lan angebundenen rechner direkt versorgen.\n ersetzt dann halt den switch und das wl0191 teil\n der wl ist das beste am system stecker raus und alle unter 18 sind ohne www\n denn an den switch kommt physich niemand ran zum umstecken\n B\u00c3\u00b6se Falle fast alle tiere auf der koppel sind mit wlan chips ausger\u00c3\u00bcstet die app auf dem tablett lokalisiert 58wlan \n DANKE mal sehen wie ich an die cammera komme damit die eine ip bekommt \n hallo. nach der installation von virt-manager soll eine gruppe \"libvirtd\" existieren, dies ist aber nicht der fall. wie regele ich das nun?\n aah, die gruppe heisst jetzt wohl \"libvirt\".\n#ubuntu-de 2019-08-04\n hi\n Hallo?\n guten Abend\n !frag\n Du brauchst nicht fragen, ob Du fragen darfst oder ob sich jemand auskennt. Das ist zwar h\u00c3\u00b6flich, w\u00c3\u00bcrde aber den Channel sehr zuspammen, wenn dies jeder t\u00c3\u00a4te. Stell besser einfach Deine Frage \u00e2\u0080\u0093 wenn jemand die Antwort kennt, wird er sie Dir nennen.\n habt ihr das 1:1 aus dem Englischen \u00c3\u00bcbersetzt? ;)\n im englischen Channel ist es !ask mit dem selben Text :) \n *seufz*\n ist das jetzt deine frage?\n ask ist auch der selbe text ;)\n nein, ich habe ein Problem mit ufw / iptables\n Meine rules sagen ganz klar: _nur_ https und ssh zulassen\n dennoch liefert apache auf port 80 eine default page\n \"nmap\" zeigt: port 22 und port 80 sind offen\n alles andere ist zu (also auch 443 f\u00c3\u00bcr https ist zu)\n ufw status => https://dpaste.de/9m6i/raw\n Title: 9m6i (at dpaste.de)\n ufw status numbered => https://dpaste.de/8Lvz/raw\n Title: 8Lvz (at dpaste.de)\n f\u00c3\u00bcr \"iptables -L\" habe ich auch ein paste vorbereitet\n aber das muss ich nochmals checken ob da wirklich alle IP's unkenntlich gemacht wurden\n aha :>\n iptables -L => https://dpaste.de/Z6sC/raw\n Title: Z6sC (at dpaste.de)\n alle *************** sind IP-Adressen\n ufw habe ich neu gestartet\n wie ist eigentlich die Etikette in deutschsprachigen Channels auf IRC? Wird geduzt oder gesiezt?\n du\n ok\n Zeile 10\n sdx23, welche der 3 pastes?\n iptables?\n Zeile 10 ist eine Leerzeile\n ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:http state NEW,ESTABLISHED\n sdx23, warum ist das da?\n sollte ufw sich nicht um alles k\u00c3\u00bcmmern?\n Rojola: das solltest eher du mir sagen ;)\n der Grund weshalb ich mich f\u00c3\u00bcr ufw entschied ist, dass es einfach ist\n iptables ist superkompliziert finde ich, und ich h\u00c3\u00a4tte die von Dir zitierte Zeile nicht mal als Problem erkannt\n ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde gerne einen L\u00c3\u00b6sungsweg erlernen, den ich einfach in Zukunft reproduzieren kann.\n Dahingehend frage ich mich, ob ich es rein mit ufw l\u00c3\u00b6sen kann?\n sudo ufw deny 80/tcp\n ThreeM, gut, aber dann ist port 443 immer noch nicht offen\n https://dpaste.de/9m6i/raw\n Title: 9m6i (at dpaste.de)\n vorher ein ufw default deny um alles dich zu machen\n https://dpaste.de/8Lvz/raw\n Title: 8Lvz (at dpaste.de)\n eigentlich sollte https akzeptiert werden\n dann ufw allow 443/tcp\n ThreeM, k\u00c3\u00b6nnen wir es zusammen machen?\n bitte warte kurz \n ich logge mich ein\n muss der windows admin wieder hier die linux fahne hochhalten...\n # ufw default deny\n Default incoming policy changed to 'deny'\n (be sure to update your rules accordingly)\n welche rules soll ich nun updaten?\n das ufw deny 80/tcp bringt halt nichts, weil ufw nicht das Problem ist. Das Problem ist, dass die INPUT chain verbastelt ist. Das ist mit iptables zu l\u00c3\u00b6sen.\n !iptables\n Informationen zu iptables finden sich im Wiki unter http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/iptables\n Danke sdx23 \n ein Grundverst\u00c3\u00a4ndnis davon schadet nicht. Konkret musst du Teile der INPUT Chain l\u00c3\u00b6schen. Du k\u00c3\u00b6nntest auch INPUT flushen, dann musst du aber die ufw-Regeln wieder hinzuf\u00c3\u00bcgen (nicht in ufw, sondern die Zeilen ab 12.\n wieso passierte das denn \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt?!\n wof\u00c3\u00bcr gibt es ufw wenns nicht geht?\n sdx23, ein laden der default deny \u00c3\u00a4ndert die input chain nicht?\n weil du oder sonstjemand da Regeln in die Input chain eingef\u00c3\u00bcgt hat. Da kann ufw und ubuntu nix f\u00c3\u00bcr.\n das system wurde heute neu aufgesetzt\n ThreeM: ufw murkst in seinen eigenen Chains rum. Wenn in INPUT davor anderes steht, und das greift, ist das halt so.\n was genau heisst \"neu aufgesetzt\"?\n sdx23, ein vserver wo ich heute neu das OS gew\u00c3\u00a4hlt habe und \"install\" geklickt habe\n Rojola: dann ist \"sonstjemand\" aus meinem Satz oben, dein VPS-Anbieter.\n nicht nett von denen\n ich habe in der zwischenzeit mal folgendes gemacht:\n ufw default deny && systemctl restart ufw\n danach \"nmap \" von meinem computer aus\n und obzwar der \"default deny\" regel ist immer noch port 80 und 22 offen\n wie gesagt, kein ufw Problem. L\u00c3\u00b6sche die Regeln in Zeile 10 und 11.\n dazu \"numbered\" output von iptables verwenden\n sdx23, wenn ufw ohnedies nicht geht bei mir, soll ich es l\u00c3\u00b6schen?\n einfach um eine Interferenz zu vermeiden?\n nein, es reicht die INPUT Chain zu bereinigen\n sdx23, kannst du mir bitte sagen wie genau?\n gibt es einen Befehl der alles l\u00c3\u00b6st?\n iptables -D INPUT 6 # wenn ich mich nicht verz\u00c3\u00a4hlt habe.\n wie bekomme ich denn den numbered output von iptables?\n und wahrscheinlich noch ein zweites Mal, aber ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde gerne \"sudo iptables --line-numbers -L\" sehen, um sicher zu sein\n ufw hat ja sowas\n 6 ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:http state NEW,ESTABLISHED\n das ist zeile 6\n das ist deckungsgleich mit der von Dir beanstandeten Zeile, oder?\n Ja. Nach dem \"sudo iptables -D INPUT 6\" sollte die weg sein.\n Danke!\n getan\n Dann hast du noch die REJECT Regel, die verhindert dass dein https durchgeht\n wie bekommst du die dann weg?\n indem ich zwei sachen erlaube\n glaube ich?\n ufw allow https\n ufw allow ssh\n neinnein, die REJECT Regel in INPUT die jetzt in Zeile 6 steht\n (tut sie?)\n wei\u00c3\u009f ich nicht?!\n ja, schau bitte nach.\n Und wenn ja, dann: Genauso.\n iptables --line-numbers -L ?\n ja\n 6 REJECT all -- anywhere anywhere reject-with icmp-host-prohibited\n \"-L\" listet nur auf, da geht nichts kaputt.\n Mit noch einem \"sudo iptables -D INPUT 6\" ist die weg.\n Du hast dann noch eine ssh Regel (Nr. 5), die ansich nicht st\u00c3\u00b6rt, aber halt doppelt zu der in ufw ist.\n in 5 das:\n 5 ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere state NEW tcp dpt:ssh\n sdx23, https://dpaste.de/fGcT/raw\n Title: fGcT (at dpaste.de)\n da ist immer noch viel ACCEPT drin\n Ja. Aber wie gesagt, st\u00c3\u00b6rt nicht. Allerdings: Alles was du eben getan hast, ist nicht permanent; sondern m\u00c3\u00bcsstest du nach einem Neustart wieder tun, wenn das Firewall-Skript von deinem VPS Anbieter die Regeln wieder erstellt hat. Um das nicht erneut tun zu m\u00c3\u00bcssen, m\u00c3\u00bcsstest du ebendieses Skript vom Starten abhalten. Da kann dir sicher der Support deines VPS Anbieters helfen.\n Ehm, das st\u00c3\u00b6rt nicht bezieht sich auf das ssh. Die anderen ACCEPTs muss man sich \u00c3\u00bcberlegen, ob sinnig.\n kann ich die regeln nicht einfach in einer startup-script irgendwo reinpacken?\n weil der support meines ISP's wird wenig helfen dabei\n das ist ein lokaler Anbieter und... \n naja, man kann wenig zahlen und schlechten Support haben - wenn man sich selbst genug auskennt. Wenn man keine Ahnung hat und auch keine Lust, sich das Zeug beizubringen, empfiehlt sich managed hosting zu nehmen.\n sdx23, die Seite die gehostet werden soll verst\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009ft leider gegen das Obscenity-law der USA\n aus dem Grund ist die Auswahl eingeschr\u00c3\u00a4nkt\n nichtmal die gro\u00c3\u009fen deutschen Anbieter erlauben viele der \"adult\" sites\n vermutlich habe ich Anbieter \u00c3\u00bcbersehen.\n Aber meine Recherche half nicht viel so weit\n kk, EOS von mir.\n EOS = end of service?\n Danke f\u00c3\u00bcr Deine Hilfe soweit, sdx23 \n#ubuntu-de 2020-07-27\n morjen\n hallo ubuntu community, kennt sich von euch jemand mit \"recoll\" aus? ich habe bereits alles dazu recherchiert und komme bei meinem problem nicht weiter. ich m\u00c3\u00b6chte die GUI config \u00c3\u00a4ndern und recoll speichert sie einfach nicht. nachm programmneustart ist alles wieder auf default. in der recoll.conf gibt es wohl keine parameter f\u00c3\u00bcr\n gui-einstellungen. ich wei\u00c3\u009f nicht mehr weiter. pls help\n smoove67: und was l\u00c3\u00a4sst dich vermuten dass du die gui config \u00c3\u00bcberhaupt \u00c3\u00a4ndern kannst?\n (ich kenne mich allerdings nicht mit recoll aus, hab eben zum ersten mal dafon geh\u00c3\u00b6rt)\n *daVon\n im programm gibt es den reiter \"einstellungen\"-> \"GUI-Einstellungen\". wenn man da drauf klickt kommt ein fenster in dem man diverse einstellungen w\u00c3\u00a4hlen kann. zum schluss best\u00c3\u00a4tigt man mit ok. ganz normaler config gui dialog also. also man w\u00c3\u00bcrde schon erwarten dass es gespeichert wird. die index-einstellungen zb. speichert es ja auch\n ah ok. na dann bin ich \u00c3\u00bcberfragt.\n schau vielleicht mal die bugreports durch\n ok danke, man soll ja in alle richtungen denken, es h\u00c3\u00a4tte ja auch eine fehlerhafte erwartungshaltung bei mir sein k\u00c3\u00b6nnen :)\n in universe gibts leider so einige pakete die nicht wirklich gepflegt oder gar kaputt sind.\n#ubuntu-de 2020-07-29\n Hallo, ich war vor paar Tagen hier auf der Suche nach einem Android Emulator f\u00c3\u00bcr Ubuntu, mir wurde da https://github.com/anbox/anbox empfohlen. Das Installieren hat soweit ganz gut geklappt, aber ich verstehe nicht wie es jetzt da weiter geht und man das startet um auf eine Android Oberfl\u00c3\u00a4che zu kommen. Kann mir da jemand weiterhelfen?\n Title: GitHub - anbox/anbox: Anbox is a container-based approach to boot a full Android system on a regular GNU/Linux system (at github.com)\n tadeus53b, wenn anbox korrekt installiert ist, solltest du ein Anbox-Management-Tool in deiner Anwendungsliste haben\n Ansonsten haben die Entwickler aber auch einen eigenen IRC-Channel: #anbox hier im Freenode\n Die k\u00c3\u00b6nnen wahrscheinlich besser helfen als wir\n Anbox-Management-Tool find ich hier nicht, aber einen Anbox Application Manager\n ah ok\n Joa, das klingt doch gut\n Wenn du den startest, solltest du alle verf\u00c3\u00bcgbaren Androidanwendungen sehen, die das emulierte Android gerade hat\n achso, das heist ich starte meine Anwendungen daraus und hab keine Androidoberfl\u00c3\u00a4che wie ichs von anderen Emulatoren kenne?\n Ja\n ok gut zu wissen, danke schon mal\n Ich hab eine Alternative f\u00c3\u00bcr Anbox gefunden. Ich hab das vor paar Tagen nach dieser Anleitung installiert https://github.com/anbox/anbox also mit make und make install, wie mache ich da nun einen sauberen uninstall?\n Title: GitHub - anbox/anbox: Anbox is a container-based approach to boot a full Android system on a regular GNU/Linux system (at github.com)\n tadeus53b: in der theorie mit make uninstall\n in der praxis oft gar nicht\n ich w\u00c3\u00bcrde niemals make install ausf\u00c3\u00bchren, bzw wenn nur in einen eigenen prefix\n sudo make uninstall lief zwar ohne fehler durch, aber ich kann anbox immer noch starten :D\n wat f\u00c3\u00bcr eine dann? 15:56:30 Ich hab eine Alternative f\u00c3\u00bcr Anbox gefunden. ...\n ItaloRaver-, Android x86+\n ah ja, sagt mir auch iwie wat, thanks \n#ubuntu-de 2020-07-30\n Wie kann man in Lubuntu 20 den Mauszeiger vergr\u00c3\u00b6\u00c3\u009fern und hervorheben?\n Im dconf-Editor habe ich unter org.gnome.desktop.interface locate-pointer auf true gesetzt - ohne sichtbaren Erfolg.\n hmm mit lxappearance vielleicht?\n Zus\u00c3\u00a4tzlich habe ich den CompizConfig Settings Manager installiert und dort die Option \"Show mouse\" aktiviert. Ich habe gehofft, mit einer Tastenkombination eine Hervorhebung des Mauszeigers zu bekommen. \n Die einfachste Methode ist wahrscheinlich, in lxqt-config-input einen Cursor auszuw\u00c3\u00a4hlen, der gut sichtbar ist\n Wei\u00c3\u009f nicht, ob Lubuntu das mit dem dynamischen Hervorheben kann\n Das Handbuch gibt zumindest nichts dergleichen her\n Welche Ubuntu Varianten k\u00c3\u00b6nnen den Mauszeiger hervorheben?\n Xubuntu hat xfce-find-cursor daf\u00c3\u00bcr, Gnome kann es auch\n hmm\n du k\u00c3\u00b6nntest versuchen, das Paket `xfce4-settings` zu installieren\n Dann kannst du eine Tastenkombination f\u00c3\u00bcr `xfce4-find-cursor` festlegen, das klappt zumindest hier bei mir sehr gut\n ok, ich werde es ausprobieren. Vielen Dank\n#ubuntu-de 2020-07-31\n<_moep_> wo sind die \u00c3\u00bcblichen verd\u00c3\u00a4chtigen? :P\n tolle leistung https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1889509\n Title: Bug #1889509 \u00e2\u0080\u009cgrub boot error : \u00e2\u0080\u009csymbol 'grub_calloc' not found\u00e2\u0080\u009d : Bugs : grub2 package : Ubuntu (at bugs.launchpad.net)\n musste gerade alles unterbrechen in meine installation chrooten und grub neuinstallieren \n 5 distributionen installiert und keine davon bootbar \n fix ist schon unterwegs soweit ich wei\u00c3\u009f\n aber ja, das hat bei mehreren distros zugeschlagen.\n uefi-systeme sind nciht betroffen\n#ubuntu-de 2020-08-01\n sem2peie: jupp h\u00c3\u00a4tte hier auch einige system betroffen. Aber hier werden release notes gelesen und das grub2 update rausgez\u00c3\u00b6gert\n bzw haben wir es auf der testmaschine gesehen :)\n dass das \u00c3\u00bcberall durch QA ging ist allerdings spannend\n sem2peie: fwiw chroot sollte nicht n\u00c3\u00b6tig sein, du h\u00c3\u00a4ttest normal aus der rescue shell wo der error ist booten k\u00c3\u00b6nnen\n hallo. ich hab dieses Problem -> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/291113/how-to-get-rid-of-the-delay-way-before-lenovo-touch-pad-reacts\n Title: drivers - How to get rid of the delay way before Lenovo touch pad reacts? - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)\n 20.04 in meinem System und auch auf Live-CD. \n Das hei\u00c3\u009ft wenn ich das touchpad sanft ber\u00c3\u00bchre um den Mauszeiger minimal zu verschieben, dann passiert nix. erst wenn ich etwas mehr bewege dann beweg er sich.\n Wenn der Finger von Touchpad wieder weg ist f\u00c3\u00bcr ein paar Sekunden ist es wieder das selbe.\n Notebook ist ein Thinkpad E15.\n Ich war schon mit \"xinput set-prop \"SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad\" \"Synaptics Finger\" 0 0 100\" versucht. Vergeblich.\n Wei\u00c3\u009f jemand rat?\n#ubuntu-de 2020-08-02\n hallo ratpack ratpack1, jedesmal wenn du deinen Thunderbird \u00c3\u00b6ffnest und schliesst verbindet der sich neu hier mit dem IRC. Das macht es f\u00c3\u00bcr Einsteiger etwas un\u00c3\u00bcbersichtlich.\n k1l: der hat wohl eher verbindung probs ...\n Hallo Leute, ich brauche vielleicht einen Neuen Laptop und moechte mir ein Trafoarm Bug mit Win.10 drauf kaufen das sehr gut Ubuntu geeignet ist um es daneben zu installieren. Und wo man ggf unter Ubuntu Win.10 Pro Virtuell laufen lassen kann. Er sollte Top stramm faehig sein, spielen tue ich selten. Und er sollte eine Ddiagonale von so um die 39Cm haben. Sowie Bluetooth, einen zweiten Bildschirm anschlie\u00c3\u009fen haben, HDMI haben so das \n man ueber drei Bildschirme arbeiten kann. \n Ach so \u00c3\u00bcber Amazon bitte \n Alles in Win.10 Pro\n alles frisch?\n Meinst Du mich?\n @ stevieh ?\n stevieh: Kannst Du mir einen Trafoarm Bug empfehlen? \n Einen bitte was?\n koegs: Transformer Book\n schreib das doch wenigstens in Udo. Das hat hier echt nix zu suchen.\n stevieh: Ach so ich dachte es hat hier schon jemand sich nach einem Ubuntu Rechner informiert OK dann komm ich gleich rueber \n"], ["#ubuntu-au 2011-10-24\n Hi all :)\n hi ikt \n gggs: whatcha up to?\n right now?\n talking to you!\n :D\n thinking of setting up an LDAP server at home\n anyone have any experience?\n heya caryb :)\n head_victim: made a post on au forums about meeting times\n I'm now pming people on the forums who ident as australian\n about the team\n many don't know about it at all\n ikt: nice work\n :D\n I am subbed to the forum so I already stalked your post ;)\n :D\n love it\n not sure what else I can do though\n there's not a whole lot with the subforum being hidden away along with all the othe rsubforums\n I've got it in my sig\n and I'm still making a post or 2 a day\n I have it in my sig but I'm not a huge forum kinda person\n Not sure what happened to Phlosten, he kinda dropped off the planet. I hope all is ok.\n yeah I noticed that the other day\n I still see a lot of aussies and we seem to have a lot of page views on our subforum\n just a massive lack of paticipation\n on a side note I -finally- got some decent paper when I went to officeworks the other day (first time since 2003? or something) \n Same issues as the other LoCo stuff really. Heaps of people stated interest in an installfest but give them the opportunity and no one respondes\n and so I'll have that page ready for 12.04\n Nice, if you want to put it out this release I'll post some CDs.\n How much is post if you send out say 5? I might do a trial run and see if there's any interest\n Can you respond to the email I sent to the list? Might get some other people thinking if they can see others active as well\n kk\n MoLE just added his preferences to the meeting time\n I remember that name\n Yep, he's around, just a busy person.\n Sat 8 & 9 looks popular. If it ends up like that we should split the difference at 830 :P\n Anyway, I gotta run for now. Catch you around.\n win!\n seya :)\n#ubuntu-au 2011-10-25\n it's big and still kinda ugly but all the rest of the untranslated strings now fit into a nice batch=300 list, \n well less to be really precise\n#ubuntu-au 2011-10-26\n hi all :D\n afternoon\n lyris: whatcha up to?\n hi nandemonai :)\n :/\n What's up ikt \n blahdeblah: thought more about the sponsorship idea?\n 91 packages to go with an average of 714 strings per package to go\n sagaci: nice work\n I'm playing a little with the events on loco.u.c to try and work out why the ical feed is failing. Sorry for the noise, I think it's to do with not recognising team defaults.\n not sure if you read my link at 3am this morning but they all fit into a batch=300 now --- https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+lang/en_AU/+index?batch=300&memo=1050&start=1050\n I think you have been setting them at UTC time but then setting it to use the team default which is gmt+10\n Yeah I saw on the scrollback, kinda scarily good isnt' it\n speaking of scarily weird I just finished a 249-string package after only doing 50 strings :/\n Hah was jaddi working the same one?\n no, it's showing that ken sharp did them last year\n any it's showing that I'm the only contributor to the translation\n maybe a hiccup in the database\n Hmm possible\n might be something to do with the These translations are shared with Avogadro trunk series template avogadro.\n Well let's hope there's more like that\n Well let's hope there's more like that\n I think i've come across it before but it's not common\n i'll open up all 91 packages in tabs and see how it goes\n Hahah you enjoy that\n in chrome, wish me luck\n Speaking of enjoying I think I've somehow broken xchat\n It's not showing what I type until someone else has typed a line.\n :/\n 2 out of 91\n head_victim: oh ok missed it, I thought the team default was UTC\n I just updated the events, I'll see if the ical picks up the change.\n I've been using it for a few months now and it's been fairly stable. I set it up with reminders a week, a day and an hour out for all events to pop up on my phone. \n head_victim: any idea for translating lubuntu/lxde?\n https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Translations\n eh, not really into translating without using something similar to lp's interface\n sorry, thought it might have been some hidden thing in lp\n Nah it's pretty much an upstream thing for the lxde stuff. \n http://pootle.lxde.bsnet.se/en_GB/ appears to mostly be done though\n Has a similar interface from what I can see\n hello\n Evening Chat1936 \n hi mik_008 \n sagaci: good luck with the trans work, I am off for the night, Cheerio\n ok night\n#ubuntu-au 2011-10-27\n hi all\n Good news!\n The drupal update is now being worked on. No idea how long it will take but the project has started at least.\n how is it 1am already O.O\n ikt: suprise!\n oh cool, I inadvertantly watched one of the first screenings in the world of a new movie release, \"In Time\"\n what's it like?\n I was going to see \"Real Steel\" but I was running late & got stuck in the line, I'd never heard of it and didn't even know what it was about\n yea it wasn't a bad movie if you can ignore/accept the premise of the movie\n I think Timberlake's become a decent actor, unique enough plot\n :/\n timberlake\n hah yea I know\n don't worry, he never starts singing\n :D\n doing anything linuxy wise gggs ?\n atm I'm just trying to install the draytek smartmonitor program which is failing :/\n not at the moment, I'm actually about to call it a night\n I've never heard of it\n know about draytek modems?\n not a thing I'm afraid\n ah\n me as well until a few months ago\n they're like billions except the interface doesn't suck and the features are actually good\n there's several members in my house using all my downloads\n and I can see who's doing it by the 'data monitor'\n looks like traffic analysis software, can't you use a FOSS solution?\n it updates in real time with the amount of traffic per ip\n the program is I can't capture it\n so that's where this thing comes into it\n http://www.draytek.com/.upload/Demo/Smart%20Monitor_2.0/\n hopefully that will have some hard evidence \n except atm i can't install it on my linux box because it fails trying to install qq\n I'm sure you could shape traffic, give each user a quota\n possibly\n i like mrtg and nagios are a bit overkill\n it's annoying them using the downloads but not end of the world stuff\n which is why I like this draytek thing\n if it would work ._.\n ikt: hah, good luck with it, I'm off to bed\n kk\n btw\n quickly, did you see the meeting thing?\n ?\n http://doodle.com/bpz47isrg9q7xz23\n need more people!\n wtb more people at meetings\n I'm not on the Ubuntu-au team, I just lurk\n that's ok, you can come to :D\n atm we have around 5-6 people, I think it would be best around 10 or so\n just to get things moving\n but anyways\n gnights gggs :)\n 'night dude\n#ubuntu-au 2011-10-29\n ikt: so what do we think is the \"winner\" of the poll?\n Saturday 830 seems in the middle of the most votes :/\n yeah\n just checking now\n ohh man\n oh no :(\n http://geekfeminism.org/2011/10/13/on-being-harassed-a-little-gf-history-and-some-current-events/\n Hey slut, take your left wing socialist idealogy and go fuck off from ubuntu. <- It came from someone calling himself \u00e2\u0080\u009cMarkus G\u00e2\u0080\u009d, with email address grandrhino at hotmail, and IP address 110.174.202.115 \u00e2\u0080\u0094 a static IP address with the ISP TPG, and a traceroute indicating that he\u00e2\u0080\u0099s probably in Brisbane, Australia.\n =(\n So, here\u00e2\u0080\u0099s our situation. We have a man (presumably; at any rate he appears to want to be identified as such) in the Australian Linux community, who targets women by sending them private abusive emails from a throwaway address and with a name that can\u00e2\u0080\u0099t readily be connected to any publicly known member of the community.\n head_victim: http://ikt.id.au/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/time.png\n sun 9pm has similar amount of votes\n ikt: yeah thats what I was thinking 830 - to be between 8 and 9 :/\n It's a bit painful when you have ties \n Sunday 9pm is what it's currently set to though isn't it?\n sat 7-10 = 24, sun 7-10 = 23 i believe\n So really, there is no actual benefit in changing it\n yeah\n sun has 1 more vote than sat\n Well I think as there is no huge case to change it, why not keep it how it is. Will reduce confusion.\n i'd prefer to keep it the same unless there were clearly more votes for another time\n yeah exactly\n btw sagaci did you see the quote from the ubuntu devs about dual monitor?\n no\n i'll see if i can find it\n Although graphics isn\u00e2\u0080\u0099t your focus, do you have any idea whether 12.04 will attempt to fix some of the multiple monitor bugs that Oneiric introduced? \n Yes! It\u00e2\u0080\u0099s on everyone\u00e2\u0080\u0099s hit-list as something we (the entire distro) have to nail for 12.04.\n http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/10/neil-patel-precise/\n also anyone going to stay up for UDS?\n I'll take that as a no :lol\n Hah I've remote participated in a few UDS's for particular topics\n But probably not this year.\n Mainly due to now having a 9-5\n i doubt it mainly due to the time difference\n when it's in the EU, it's not too bad\n yeah I reckon\n 1am start is fine for me since I finish work at midnight\n but I won't be going through the whole day\n Yeah previously I've selected a few of the important bits to me to go into\n But I'm still struggling with the change to a 9-5 and not settling in with the new sleeping pattern :/ Old habits die hard.\n indeed :(\n Ah well, feel free to close the poll and post the result to the mailing list that way we can plan the next meeting\n already closed it\n i'll post to mailing list in a sec\n # of strings < 60,000\n head_victim: should we just formalise the vote result in the meeting?\n ikt: I thought we'd need to formalise the vote so we knew when the meeting would be\n yeah but I don't want to say\n me and head decided to keep the meeting at the same time\n in the email\n also unrelated, is http://www.ubuntu.org.au/ not loading for anyone else?\n I'm shooting an email to the list about u.org.au - they're actually working on the upgrade to drupal\n ikt: just release the results, I can respond with a \"there's nothing better than what we're currently doing\"\n kk\n to early\n must sleep\n no\n stay awake\n#ubuntu-au 2011-10-30\n https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-au/+junk/iso-l10n -- basic outline of ubuntu-defaults package, just added some bookmarks, languages and default launchers.\n by no means anything official but should build with the ubuntu-defaults-image but I wouldn't recommend it since it's obviously not the finished product\n Aren't the canonical people working towards doing half the work for this sort of thing? I'm not sure how it all fits together but I thought this was the stuff they were offering to do for us.\n Hi again.\n Gday xannen \n head_victim, what, figure out the requirements of each and every locale in existence\n sagaci: or is that the sort of thing we needed to provide to get them to build it?\n from what I gather, they've made the tools, we fill in the blanks and we can use their build system or live-build\n Ah ok, don't mind me, I'm a little slow on the uptake on the technical aspects of things like this\n I still have issues with 11.10. :( I'm on windows 7 now. LOL\n xannen: what sort of issues?\n Mainly graphics for now. After a while, I get graphics lag. And still have unity dash appearing on wrong screen for dual monitor.\n xannen: both of those seem like video driver issues to me.\n nvidia or ati?\n Nvidia.\n I didn't have these issues on 11.04.\n Firstly, open up the nvidia control panel and make sure the monitor you want set on the LHS is the primary monitor\n Soudns like it's swapped the primary monitor around\n In 11.04, I had my primary monitor on the RHS, and unity dash appeared on that monitor -- as I liked it. With 11.10, it worked in reverse. This is filed as a bugged and not yet fixed. But that's just me. Also there was openjdk issue with versioning and dependency.\n Ah well, back up and reinstall 11.04\n ?\n Yeah, I guess.\n I assume you've already tried all the different video drivers available?\n Yep. LOL. From recommended and ppa.\n And nouveau?\n By the way, how's the progress with \"ubuntu hour\"?\n Poorly\n I tried to installed nouveau but the process is more complicated and stuffed it up. :S\n The process is simply deactivating the nvidia drivers as far as I know.\n Oddly, in 11.10, in the \"install additional driver\", nouveau was not offer. It only showed proprietary. :S Which is oddly with linux open source philosophy.\n That's because nouveau isn't an additional driver. If you deactivate the nvidia one it defaults to nouveau.\n Ah... Okay. Whatever happened to the option to use opensource nvidia driver then? o.O\n nouveau IS the open source nvidia driver\n Ah... okay... I'm sorry, I am confused with these changes in settings (i.e. explicitly stating whether open source is used or not).\n And I didn't know these information (i.e. if no proprietary gpu driver is specified, open source is used, if available.)\n No idea if the nouveau driver will do 3d though. I haven't used it in years.\n It was a bad timing for me because when I bought my comp earlier this year, I only had windows use in mind. A few months down the track, I decided to try out ubuntu. If I know this, I would have bought \"open source supported\" hardware, e.g. intel or ati gpu, etc...\n I've always recommended nvidia for Ubuntu use personally. Been using them for 5 years without a hitch.\n Never once had an issue.\n i was the same with ati up until 11.04\n I've never used ATI since I spent a month trying to get my 9600 to do 3d.\n Been with Nvidia ever since and used the proprietary drivers ever since. I know the purist hate that but it just works for me.\n Haha...\n I was using ati before I my nvidia and wanted to try out nvidia. No problems on windows, obviously from better support. I discovered intel gpu has open source support better than other gpu. So in future I will consider intel.\n Intel have had their problems as well. But also, intel don't make stand alone GPUs. Therefore their performance is heaps lower than ati and nvidia.\n I hope intel will offer better gpu and/or other gpu release their driver codes as open source. :D\n Intel only do integrated video. These will never rival standalone video cards for performance.\n Do you have recommendation for touch screen laptop?\n Not really, never had a need for one so never spent time looking into them.\n Maybe ask on the mailing list for more ideas.\n Okay.\n sagaci: had a look over that stuff. Looking good mate. Sorry I didn't get it before.\n Anyone else giving you any feedback on the brainstorming?\n I think I've made it available enough, with the blueprint and pad, anyone can add/suggest so it's just a case of people actually contributing\n Yeah that's what I was wondering, if anyone was actually contributing.\n I'm finding it hard drumming up support for events and stuff as well so wondering how it was going for you\n not really so far but can't let that slow it down, I can't really make it any more accessible as it is\n as long as you're set up for ubuntu development/lp/ssh/bzr, it's super easy to get it and fiddle around with the settings and recommit\n I'm not sure I'll ever be set up for dev but I've tried to help with the brainstorming and ideas part.\n I'm no good with technical stuff.\n it's a lot of trial and error, more error... fix one error and you get two more\n Finding the time is the killer.\n head_victim: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Oneiric/LocalizedCDImageTools#Rationale -- that's where I got the \"locos in control of the customisations\"\n Yeah, it does sound like a really good project.\n And provides enough info to get your teeth into it\n so how do we go about getting some consensus for the defaults if no one is contributing?\n Obviously if no one is objecting you're doing it perfectly to suit their needs :)\n obviously no one would mind a default www.justinbieber.com.au\n in their firefox bookmarks\n Speaking of justin beiber, good evening bejames \n Hey!?\n You're the team pretty boy? I'm trying to make a tenuous link here.\n Very tenuous. You need glasses\n I've actaully gotten some since we last caught up.\n You have any ideas how we can scrounge up $500 for the installation festival?\n Urrr no\n Everyone I can think of want details before handing over cash, but no one in the team seems interested in working out the details until we're sure it will go ahead :P\n head_victim: what do you think about this string https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/cups/+pots/cups/en_AU/+translate?show=new_suggestions\n There must be another way to do this. Other teams seem to be able to pull this off without cost\n bejames: yeah the issue is finding a half decent venue to get enough publicity to get enouh people going\n sagaci: looks fine from here, printers do have waste bins :)\n head_victim: And the key requirement is Power / Internet accesss?\n bejames: open to suggestions of free ones that we can use that will get people to :)\n bejames: that and publically accessible (interacting with the general public, not just people who are already involved in linux)\n Internet isn't a major thing either, we can probably do without that\n head_victim: have BCC libraries been looked at?\n I had assumed they'd have the same cost as the edge is a part of the state library. I guess we should confirm that or not\n Yes, go BCC library and teach elderly ubuntu linux. :D\n Free for community group if Im reading this correctly http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/facilities-recreation/libraries/hiring-library-meeting-rooms/index.htm#2\n bejames: looks right, what in that list would be most publically accessible, somwhere like Brisbane Square? Or Carindale/Chermside/Indooroopilly/Garden City type places?\n I gotta run, want to send an email to the list to see what the feedback is like?\n head_victim: bye\n evening all\n hi\n#ubuntu-au 2012-10-24\n Here's one for all you facebook and kde fans, didn't even know it existed https://www.facebook.com/kubuntu.au\n who is running that?\n Not sure, if we knew it was someone sensible it might be ok to link to the main one.\n it is hard to tell what they are like based on the few posts there at the moment\n I found it looking around at that wah character\n ah, right. you would think that if he can find that page, you could find stuff for the questions he is asking\n unless he made the page\n Anything is possible, that being said wah has liked about 20 windows 7 pages as well\n they are an unusual character\n Yep, just trying to pick and choose the questions I answer so they don't break their system\n that is a good point\n Ah crap, it's nearly 3 already. I gotta go try and fix the car. Good luck with your uni stuff mate\n good luck to you with your uni also\n 4 subjects down :)\n 2 more to go this year and them I'm 1/4 the way there.\n a bit shorter than my degree\n but that is expected\n Is Karl Goetz still around?\n bigred-au: I haven't seen Karl around this channel for a long time unfortunately.\n Ubuntu open week is started in #ubuntu-classroom for any night owls\n just getting the final logistics for UDS-R\n head_victim: Oh, fair enough\n I use to be hang out around here about 5 years ago, and remember him\n the only other name i remember was elkbuntu, or something like that\n Yeah that's now elky. I believe a few of the others on the nick list are of that vintage as well\n Yeah, unfortunately my brain copped a belting over the past 5 years. lol\n Hah, I know how that goes\n I stopped using Linux for 5 years, and now I'm completely lost :\\ hahaha\n yet, I've literally spent 5 years working on UNIX (AIX), but still have no idea on Linux anymore\n just plug the printer in\n bigred-au: Well my experience with linux has only really been over the last 5 years and I've got to say, I didn't have to learn much\n Heh\n You see, I work on UNIX (AIX specifically), and you'd think most of it would be much of a muchness on Linux....turns out it's really not\n Probably were much closer long ago but no doubt drifted apart over time\n yeah\n#ubuntu-au 2012-10-25\n Sure quiet channel these days :)\n yes, it is quieter at the moment\n too many busy people\n The joys of being on holidays, you get to work 16 hour days around the house so you go back to work in need of a break :)\n :)\n#ubuntu-au 2012-10-26\n how come there is now sound after login in 12.10?\n hey guys, just had a really odd issue... I couldn't login to my user account, however I could login to all others and I could login as myself in the recovery console...\n resolved it by chowning my .Xauthority file... any idea how this could have been taken by root?\n ScottHarrison: honestly, no idea :)\n I was lucky to find a thread that suggested checking who owned .Xauthority, unfortunately it didn't explain why\n http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqqNVLHP2Hs&feature=g-u-lsb\n slug live stream\n brb in 36h\n#ubuntu-au 2012-10-27\n Hi guys\n anyone here?\n yes, I am\n jea, do know what's going on regarding ubuntu 12.10 no sound after login issue?\n no, sorry, i am not sure\n do you know if there is a bug raised for it?\n plenty of reports no sure if there is an official bug report though\n ok\n are you experiencing it aswell?\n https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1066353\n Launchpad bug 1066353 in linux (Ubuntu) \"[Dell Studio 1458] No sound after suspend (Ubuntu 12.10 64bit)\" [Medium,Incomplete]\n I'm seeing lots of random comments about sound issues in 12.10, not seeing many that state after login there is an issue.\n could that be related?\n i am not running ubuntu on any computers at the moment to test it\n seen this https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+question/212453\n and even if I was, i always mute the sound\n so i wouldn't notice it\n And while it's for 12.04 have you tried the solutions listed - http://askubuntu.com/questions/132577/no-sound-in-ubuntu-12-04\n yes\n no good\n http://askubuntu.com/questions/204277/sound-not-working-with-ubuntu-12-10-clean-install\n i think i might install 12.10 on a netbook this afternoon\n I've been running it since a few days before release, other than an evolution glitch it's been fine.\n i don't use evolution any more\n I tried this http://www.unixmen.com/2012003-howto-resolve-nosound-problem-on-ubuntu/\n I use it as a basic offline backup of my gmail account and to tap into the calendaring built into Ubuntu\n oh, the calendar\n I do all my emails and editing of calendars via web browsers.\n i still want to write a calendar app\n head_victim, So you have sound then?\n maybe i can do that over the holidays\n hot_wheelz: yep, I know heaps of people on 12.10 and not heard of a sound issue until you mentioned it in channel the other day..\n hot_wheelz: did you do an upgrade or clean install?\n jea, clean install\n mm, ok. that removes that suggestion then\n Anyone know how to manipulate the screen desktop image to spread across 2 screens rather than having 2 of the same image side by side?\n head_victim, Did you see this https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+question/212453\n hot_wheelz: yeah, but it's far too much information for me to comprehend.\n I wouldn't even be sure it's an alsa issue, could be pulse or hardware related\n head_victim: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/10/ubuntu-multi-monitor-tweaks-full-screen.html\n or maybe this also http://askubuntu.com/questions/89417/how-to-span-single-wallpaper-over-dual-monitors\n head_victim, this is related yeah https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/1014866\n Launchpad bug 1013183 in linux (Ubuntu Quantal) \"duplicate for #1014866 [IDT and STAC codecs] Sound playback stopped working in 3.2.0-25\" [Medium,Fix released]\n Ah I believe I played with nitrogen previously\n hot_wheelz: so have you tried a different kernel?\n nitrogen or syncwall seem to be the two main options\n head_victim, said 3.2 right?\n hot_wheelz: not really sure, I'd pick a couple and see what worked\n jea: cool, I can't remember why I ditched nitrogen (it's still installed), perhaps it was an upgrade thing that went awry and I forgot about it\n that bug is 3.2 right 12.10 ships 3.5\n ubuntu ships a modified kernel\n so version numbers are sometimes different\n jea, how can i tag my info on to a bug?\n you should be able to log in to launchpad and then comment on an issue\n you could potentially try one of the latest daily kernels\n i would back stuff up first though, because they are potentially unstable\n http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/2012-10-22-quantal/\n http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.6.3-quantal/\n maybe 3.6 would be a bit better, seeing as it is not a rc or beta\n i have no sound problems in my vm, hot_wheelz \n jea, Are you still here?\n head_victim, How about you?\n it works now\n sound\n Glad to know, interesting to see what the issue was if they come back.\n * joey168 is away: going out to catch some fresh air, be back soon\n yes, will be interesting to find out the solution\n At changi \n#ubuntu-au 2012-10-28\n yeah it's really cold\n I had a fun day today\n My server went viral and I had to install varnish to keep it under control\n Many many many page loads\n sounds epic\n Went from a slepy 600mb a day to 25gb, I was very happy\n sleepy\n sagaci: I hope to see daily reports on the planet :P\n#ubuntu-au 2013-10-24\n Hello all\n Great crowd\n#ubuntu-au 2014-10-22\n Hi ubuntu people is anyone running ubuntu 14.10 what do you think?\n#ubuntu-au 2014-10-24\n Going over to 14.10, be back soon\n#ubuntu-au 2014-10-26\n Hi everyone how are you going with 14.10?\n Anyone here?\n#ubuntu-au 2015-10-19\n Good Evening\n#ubuntu-au 2018-10-23\n Hi guys - I setup a lamp ubuntu server. The first site works well but the second gets timed out connection error\n ANy idea how to debug this?#\n"], ["#ubuntu-us-dc 2011-04-04\n Looks like it's going to be one *those* Mondays. :P\n#ubuntu-us-dc 2011-04-06\n i got sponsorship :) woot woot\n grats!\n thx, now I have to study up on how overseas travel is.. since this will be my first time\n bring a book but make sure to sleep on the plane\n i recommend trying to force yourself to sleep on the plane at the time that would be bedtime in your target country\n (this worked well for me for barcelona. i went to sleep when it was like midnight or 1am spanish time so it shifted my clock)\n maco, how will my passport experience be at the airport. Is it just hand them the passport and be on my way, or is there like 1 million questions?\n \"why are you coming here?\" \"business\" \"ok\"\n (valid answers are business or tourism)\n the worst part is waiting in line\n does this all happen when i GET there?\n yes\n passport lines getting back into the US tend to be forever long\n passport lines getting into european countries seem to be a lot easier :P\n so it'll be like any other day flying there, until i get there..\n at which point, just make sure you have your passport in your carry on!\n what about me being English and others being... well.. whatever the native language in Hungary is\n english is the language of tourism\n all the airports ive been to in europe, they had everything in $native and english\n (and thatd be hungarian, which is, btw, one of the hardest languages there is. 17 cases iirc, so ya know...3x as hard as latin)\n (and unrelated to practically every other language)\n lol, OK\n its \"language family\" consists of it, finnish, and estonian\n so i think they're used to foreigners being totally clueless\n (whereas i think the italians are used to americans like me who smash spanish into being workable)\n what about getting to the Hotel? and getting my keys and such for the Hotel... will i need to fight non-english people at the counter?\n oh and phones, what should I get?\n people will be listing their flight info on the ubuntu wiki. you'll probably want to share a cab with another ubuntu person. if you can say the hotel name, you're fine\n i usually consider a week in europe to be an excuse to avoid phones :P\n well, emergencies?\n a GSM phone will work, but if you use your american SIM itll be expensive. you can get prepaid SIMs there\n ive never bothered\n i have Verizon, so my phone's CDMA and can't work in europe, period\n yes, i have VZ too\n verizon will allow you to rent an international phone\n i remember my dad did that when we went to europe for two weeks\n im assuming a tracphone would be cheaper than that tho\n guess my attitude is: if i have an emergency in europe, what the hell are my american friends going to do about it? and i dont have #s to call here, so...??\n as far as just keeping in touch with your fiance... skype/IM\n yeah, im guessing the hotel will have free internet for the Ubuntu people\n oh i guess you should know that the emergency phone number for (afaik) everywhere not-USA is 999 (not 911)\n yep, thats always part of the deal\n will the room i stay in have that? or should I only expect it in the conference area?\n like the US hotels do\n oooh wait nope. in the EU it's 112\n not sure about in rooms. hotel lobby tends to have free wifi negotiated for our week\n i *think* in dallas it was free-in-lobby and also free-in-room-outside-of-9-to-5 to keep people from going back to their room during sessions\n maco, thx. Do I need to get some hungarian currency?\n austria uses euro, so i imagine hungary does too\n what meals (if any) are provided?\n breakfast if you wake up early enough and lunch\n afterward you can submit a reimbursement request for taxis + dinner\n they'll tell you what the per diem is\n you need receipts for taxi to/from hotel\n the per diem (to cover dinner, possibly public transit to/from restaurant) is honour-system\n i think it was $27/day in orlando\n that you won't make it pricey... yeah.. i know how that is\n so you could claim $27 each day whether youd spent it or not, which...ya know...\n why not...\n i always do when i travel domestically\n i actually didnt fill in reimbursement forms for any of the UDSes i went to\n i figured i wouldve eaten dinner regardless\n * bcurtiswx wonders how many euros i'd need\n i tookd 250\u00e2\u0082\u00ac when i went to barcelona\n it was Travelex's smallest number that you could get and be able to return leftovers with no fees\n i used most of it, though i still have a small stash of euros in my drawer\n wait thats not right\n i took $250-worth of euro\n so like 200\u00e2\u0082\u00ac\n lol, OK\n at the time that was probably more like 150\u00e2\u0082\u00ac\n yay exchange rates\n who's the most fun to hang out with?\n i usually hang out with the kubuntu team\n i tried hanging out with the kernel team the first time i went to uds, but... i get a bit much of a \"little girl, go away\" vibe from someone on there, and many of them are a bit crass...\n I'd say I'd hang out with the Desktop Team, but im sure that won't happen\n at least I've talked with om26er abotu hanging out\n#ubuntu-us-dc 2011-04-07\n maco, so how long to EU? when should I plan on taking off from the states?\n bcurtiswx: hungary apparently does have their own currency\n i think it was 8 hours to italy, so probably 10?\n canonical will set you up with a travel agent though\n you should be leaving some time that saturday\n and getting there some time sunda\n *sunday\n hmm\n Then leaving BUdapest saturday early afternoon would get us back in the states that night even if it's a 10 hour-ish flight\n maco, more ?'s for ya\n maco, what is the afterwards life like? do people just go back to their rooms, or is it like bar hop?\n bar hop\n going to bed before midnight is odd\n well its not all bars though :P i mean, hang out in the hallway and discuss stuff, go out to a restaurant...then comes the bar\n do they take american ID's for ID? or most european countries don't care?\n maco: if you or bcurtiswx don't mind being late to TOI this weekend, my school's putting on a production of the broadway musical \"AIDA\" on Saturday; I'd love if you'd be able to come. (I'm in tech)\n my parents are visiting this weekend\n maco: well, there's also a thursday and friday show at 7. <_<;\n while i could probably convince them to go to TOI (they love it) i dont think theyd want to be with the nerds\n as in today? or next week?\n maco: today and tomorrow and this saturday.\n cuz today = oh no, mom's coming over! clean! clean! clean!\n I'll miss TOI entirely, theatre has me from 12:30 til 23h.\n (on saturday)\n maco: it looked clean enough when I was at your party.\n i got a boyfriend, and then time-spent-picking-up-after-myself went away\n also i have lots of crafts projects stuff out\n haha, okay then. I'll just sob silently.\n#ubuntu-us-dc 2011-04-08\n i'm totally tempted to throw a joke into the discussion on #ubuntu-desktop right now\n \"My wrist has this nasty twitch, and somehow the launcher keeps appearing\"\n \"Too much positive reinforecement from the launcher appearing when i move my mouse to the upper corner\"\n Looks like Commodore is bringing back the Commodore 64, only enhanced to perform like a modern machine. It'll still have Workbench and be compatible with Commodore and Amiga OSes.\n Twitch, huh. Hmmmmm.....\n#ubuntu-us-dc 2012-04-02\n good morning\n morning\n#ubuntu-us-dc 2012-04-03\n good morning\n#ubuntu-us-dc 2012-04-04\n good morning\n#ubuntu-us-dc 2013-04-06\n hello\n#ubuntu-us-dc 2014-03-31\n crickets\n hi ChinnoDog\n hi rickspencer3\n Not much going on in here.\n hey ChinnoDog, well we could start planning the app dev school and release party\n I've just been pretty busy, but I guess I should get started on it\n what's the activity level like in this group?\n Not really there.\n#ubuntu-us-dc 2014-04-01\n n|west: we usually check in here and there, but not consistently active i guess\n i usually check in once or twice a day\n#ubuntu-us-dc 2014-04-03\n unsure why my nick keeps changing to adom_\n im only logged in from one location\n#ubuntu-us-dc 2017-04-06\n marcoceppi: Touch is dead? :-(\n What is the future of Canonical if touch and Unity are sidelined?\n ChinnoDog: cloud, desktop, server, iot\n marcoceppi: I thought desktop was dying and being replaced by mobile. Isn't that the entire point of Unity?\n ChinnoDog: no, unity was to converge the code base to provide a single method for producing a UI on mobile that was mobile friendly but then scale and change to be a full desktop seamlessly\n Right. It bridges the gap. Without it Ubuntu is stuck with large screens and keyboards.\n marcoceppi:\n Right, and that's why mobile is being sunset\n as a result, unity and mir are going with it\n Hmm. Seems like a significant loss.\n Well, it's not trivial\n it is a bit, but it's a shift\n#ubuntu-us-dc 2018-04-04\n hey\n#ubuntu-us-dc 2018-04-07\n Hey\n"], ["#ubuntu-gnome 2013-07-08\n update-manager tells you when you run it that you need a dist upgrade\n hello\n jbicha: not to pester, but I noticed in 13.10 alpha, the software center worsk fine.\n I threw 13.10 on my other partition to see if my lockup issue is resolved (I think it's a kernel 3.8 issue) and I noticed USC works fine\n also, I thought 13.10 would come with the pressure sensitive message tray?\n oh, that was a feature coming with xorg 1.14... 13.10 alpha is still on 1.13\n will 13.10 be getting 1.14?\n maybe xorg 1.14 will be in saucy tomorrow\n no kidding?\n I believe the Software Center crash is because of WebKit so you wouldn't be experiencing it on Saucy yet (assuming you aren't using the GNOME3 PPAs there)\n yeah, no PPAs.\n thanks for prompting me to check my theory\n Just regular 13.10 install.\n I have downloaded the iso file from the cd images site, now I want to install it from inside Windows 7 (similar to what we used to do with wubi)\n how can I do so ?\n I've tried to mount the iso and then copying the wubi.exe inside to outside where the iso file is stored and following the steps I used to do earlier, but it starts downloading the torrent for the iso, instead of using the iso stored locally\n hello room\n how can I exclude wine in emerald?\n is GNOME online accounts broken or do I just have bad luck? I added exchange and own cloud yet nothing happened. not seeing any files contacts email etc\n hmm my Fedora VM works with own cloud. looks like it just adds a web dav entry in Nautilus to mount easily. no such behavior in Ubuntu gnome though... is this expected?\n roasted: I believe Ubuntu cripples gnome-user-share's webdav support since it requires Apache and we have no intention of running Apache in the default Ubuntu install\n so it will indefinitely be expected to have broken integration in Ubuntu GNOME?\n and the GNOME maintainer has no intention of splitting that feature out\n it's probably fixable but it may be difficult\n is that to say ifi install Apache it might magically work again?\n does fedora require apache by default?\n I thought it was more complicated than that\n bjsnider: yes, I think nearly all GNOME distros do because of gnome-user-share\n guhh\n Debian does\n even more, gnome-control-center's sharing panel is designed around the Red Hat style of services...where distros ship things by default like openssh-server (but disabled by default)\n I sure hope this won't be a broken thing indefinitely. that's one of the nice features of GNOME is the integration.\n i don't know that i agree with that whole idea. a distro shouldn't depend on httpd\n part of Ubuntu GNOME's mission as I see it is to try to work on integration issues like these\n i think this is more of a gnome issue\n we've fixed a lot...just compare gnome-control-center on GNOME in 12.04 to what it's like now\n someone should have put the kibosh on this before it became a thing\n while it was still an idea and not yet a thing\n gnome-user-share has been that way for quite a while I believe\n yeah but how many gnome users realize they're running httpd?\n Debian & Ubuntu don't have much presence in driving GNOME development\n it doesn't pop up and say \"you are running a web server. i hope you know that.\"\n and in this case, Debian didn't patch apache2 out of gnome-user-share (so it's shipped by default)\n it also seems as if my exchange services work in my Fedora VM but not in the regular instance of Ubuntu gnome.... :-\\\n roasted: 13.04 or 13.10?\n calendar and all. I think that's a first.\n saucy\n and you have ubuntu-gnome-desktop installed? go ahead and file a bug\n but I recall having this issue with my 13.04 instance too\n I'll check in a minute here\n it should be handled by evolution-data-server-goa\n but there's lots of pieces involved, from evolution to gnome-control-center and gnome-online-accounts\n Ubuntu GNOME desktop installed on saucy\n cancel that\n exchange integration works in saucy\n maybe it was raring that didn't\n ok, in raring make sure evolution-data-server-goa is installed\n we don't have anything explicitly depending on it in the GNOME3 PPA for Raring yet\n oh never mind, that version of EDS hasn't been backported to the GNOME3 PPA\n this is great. I don't think I've ever had calendar and native exchange support in evolution\n darkxst: do you have any thoughts on this patch? https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/gnome-settings-daemon/enable-ibus-support/+merge/171856\n the own cloud piece is a definite bummer though.\n but it kooks like the own cloud integration Just adds a web DAV link in nautilus. it doesn't look like it does any actual file syncing like the client\n What's different about Gnome's integration of Exchange services between 13.04 with Gnome3 PPA and 13.10? I have full syncing in 13.10, but nothing whatsoever in 13.04 + Gnome3 PPA...\n roasted owncloud webdav needs gvfs built against g-o-a\n darkxst: so I guess that's what UbuGNOME is missing?\n roasted its on staging ppa\n darkxst: I'm on 13.10...\n would it not be there?\n gvfs in the archives is not built against g-o-a\n darkxst: I'm guessing that would hit bug 1193018 then :(\n bug 1193018 in evolution-data-server (Ubuntu) \"GOA support not completely split\" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1193018\n jbicha, yeh\n we should ask seb128 about it anyway\n well I havent actually looked too closely, but I expect so\n darkxst: not entirely sure I follow. I took this as a limitation of the PPA in 13.04, but 13.10... I would have expected it to work... is this to say that gvfs won't be built against g-o-a at any point, even for future releases?\n roasted, we still need to work out some things with g-o-a in the main archives, i.e. the bug jbicha posted\n darkxst: ah, I thought that was a separate issue... evolution+gmail vs gvfs+owncloud.\n well the root issue is the same, i.e. gvfs can't have a runtime dependency on goa\n ah\n jbicha, I don't get why he wants to avoid using gnome-desktop 3.8 symbol?\n evolution with gmail and exchange seem to work great in 13.10, for what it's worth.\n both with mail and calendars\n jbicha, ok I see, that symbol was removed\n jbicha, https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/?id=55fee0c57563b95deddc4396eec87ab6bee35d34\n might be better to use that git patch\n you can suggest that to him\n ok\n jbicha, so I assume ibus 1.5 will land soon?\n#ubuntu-gnome 2013-07-09\n I'm hoping it will land this week\n ok, g-s-d is basically blocked on lid close power actions\n (and possible wacom panel issues, which I can't test)\n I was thinking we should have ibus & indicator-keyboard land first and then start testing g-s-d 3.8\n hello, I just changed the gpu in my laptop from ati x1400 tp nvidia go 7900, do I have to reinstall the os?\n jbicha, ok I need to sort the lid close stuff anyway\n alexandros_c, no but you may need to make sure you have the correct X drivers installed\n it should boot up in fallback X\n then you can install nouvaeu or proprietry nvidia driver\n darkxst: do you know where to location the information to do it? Thanks for your response\n alexandros_c, see software & update and then additional drivers tab\n darkxst: thanks once again\n darkxst: it says that I am currently using a Gallium 0.4 on NV49\n its quite possible that nouveau is already installed, but its also likely that 3D is broken\n so reinstall the os?\n alexandros_c, run `glxinfo | grep -i opengl`\n alexandros_c, no\n check that command, if it says LLVM, then you just need to reinstall the driver\n darkxst: ok thanks, I have to install mesa-utils but I have to wait until the current update is finished\n settings->details might also tell you\n ok under driver it says Gallium 0.4 on NV49 and experience is standard\n ok not sure about that then, just get the glxinfo output\n alexandros_c, how did you change the gpu in a laptop?\n bjsnider: because the ati x1400 was dying on me and causing the cpu using to always be high making the laptop unusable\n no, i didn't ask why\n i asked how\n lol\n you'd have to change the whole board\n the gpu is part of the chipset\n no\n with the dell inspiron 9400 the gpu can be changed\n how?\n all I had to do was open up the laptop and unscrew the old gpu and screw in the new\n ok, so it's an expansion card\n no it has a gpu port on the mobo\n does it also have built-in intel graphics?\n no\n well actually it depends on what model you brought\n were you not able to get a newer nvidia card than that?\n no only certain cards will fit the slot without moding the mobo\n the newer blobs dropped support for hardware prior to the geforce 8\n so the 304 series is the latest you can use\n or you can use nouveau, whichever works better\n ok thanks, what about 3D acceleration?\n both would provide it, certainly the blob would be superior\n if that's your biggest concern, go with the blob\n what concerns are there?\n will it provide a performance boost?\n nouveau would provide kms and plymouth\n the lbob wouldn't\n nouveau might be faster in 2d situations\n then there's the ethical side if your interested in normative concerns. nouveau is foss\n what about nouveau 3d rendering?\n alexandros_c, like I said you will probably need to re-install the driver to get 3D rendering working\n X can only have a single GL driver installed at once\n that is supported but there are a lot of edge cases where it doesn't work well. and in any case it will not be as fast as the blob\n so just use sudo apt-get install nouveau?\n alexandros_c, you could try 'sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-video-nouveau'\n if he was using radeon before he doesn't have to change anything\n so 3d should be working then?\n you would have to reboot of course\n alexandros_c, glxinfo will tell you if 3D is working\n one more question, I according to systems detail I am using Gallium 0.4 on NV49, why is it saying that if I am using nouveau?\n nouveau uses gallium\n ok\n it uses gallium to provide opengl\n hey I got for vendor noveau, renderer Gallium 0.4 on NV49 version 2.1 Mesa 9.1.3 shading language version 1.20 and nothing for extension\n nothing?\n nothing\n is that bad?\n can you run glxgears?\n thats just from the grep\n it is running\n alexandros_c, it is fine\n and you're getting 60fps\n it's syncing to vblank\n 114.198 fps\n ok, you maybe don't have vblank\n is that good?\n you're running gnome-shell?\n yes\n can you drag a window back and forth across the screen to see if you've got tearing?\n with a bunch of extensions installed\n yes I did and there was no tearing\n hm, whatever. anyway, opengl is working\n kool\n are you running ubuntu-gnome?\n darkxst, you only have to worry about drivers if you're using a blob. all of the xorg drivers are preinstalled, and they all talk to the system mesa libgl. libgl is redirected through alternatives to the blob's libgl if that is used.\n so you can switch graphics cards without making any changes other than rebooting\n yip\n unlike windows, where it's a bigger meal than most users can handle\n bjsnider, right, guess I got momentarily confused, isnt something I do very often (switch cards)\n yeah, mostly people switching cards are amd users who are sick of all the b.s.\n in true howard beale fashion\n my amd card is permently disabled ;)\n so you are using intel?\n sounds like a good bumper sticker to me\n i'm using intel ivb and got no complaints\n yeh\n bjsnider and darkxst are you'll running ubuntu-gnome\n ?\n alexandros_c, yes\n yeah\n I can't choose between unity and gnome-shell as Like both\n :)\n darkxst and bjsnider thanks for all your help\n Is there a mailing list for ubuntu-gnome? If not at present is that intended?\n#ubuntu-gnome 2013-07-10\n hello friends\n having a surprisingly good experience @ 13.10 alpha\n 3.10 kernel is pure <3\n pointer barriers too ;)\n pointer barriers... for dual monitor setups?\n well pressure ones\n for message tray and activities\n er, I didn't think that was in 13.10 yet due to 1.13 xorg?\n I thought that was a 1.14 xorg feature?\n 1.14 has landed\n oh nice\n I simply edited my messageTray.js to something far less obnoxious than a 1000ms delay time.\n how many devs are on the UbuGnome team?\n only a few\n well you guys do a good job\n that's for dang sure\n I admittedly keep bouncing between Ubuntu GNOME and Fedora, but I'm just not seeing what I'm gaining by going to Fedora. Ubuntu GNOME has all I need.\n at least, 13.10 will. the 3.10 kernel fixes some issues I was having on this particular laptop (so far, it seems)\n Hey... I was logging out from Ubuntu Gnome and it was taking a very long time (at least 5 minutes)\n I ended up turning my computer off\n and now I see Failed to load session \"gnome\"\n so I can only use the command line...\n any idea what is wrong?\n mkeer, you're at the console?\n not right now\n (I logged on my windows computer)\n but I can access the console if I reboot...\n well, if you're looking for a quick, one-word answer to what's wrong, there isn't one\n hmm, more precisely I have both Windows and Ubuntu on the same computer, but im on windows right now\n do you think just doing sudo apt-get install gnome\n would help?\n or like, sudo apt-get install gnome-shell or whatever its called\n you have provided no background at all, so i can't say what would help\n there are logs you can investigate\n the package is ubuntu-gnome-desktop, not gnome\n ok, what logs can i look at?\n mkeer: which version of Ubuntu GNOME are you running?\n do you know which display manager you're using, ie. lightdm or gdm?\n gdm\n Ubuntu GNOME 13.04\n yeah, so the log is ~/.cache/gdm/session.log\n you might get some good info out of that\n ok ill check it out\n ty\n gnome-session[2285]: WARNING: Session 'gnome' runnable check failed: Child process exited with code 1\n doesn't seem very helpful\n \\\n oops\n doing a sudo apt-get install gnome\n hopefully it will help....\n mkeer: he just said gnome isn't what you want.\n i did try sudo apt-get ubuntu-gnome-desktop and it didnt help\n what about reinstalling it? (bjsnider jump in if I'm wrong). Something like, sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-gnome-desktop\n ok... so the situation is a bit better... However, I see 2 tabs on the top\n Applications and Places\n which is not quite what I want\n sounds like classic mode, I believe\n yes\n mkeer: what ppas do you use?\n no idea\n it sounds like a graphics driver issue\n Well, I dont know what ppas are\n oh don't worry about it, PPAs allow installing extra software that aren't in the Ubuntu repositories but that can cause problems sometimes\n I mostly just installed development stuff... python, eclipse,...\n not very much crazy stuff\n mostly stuff with installed with apt-get and python libraries...\n that should be fine\n do you think the fact that I did sudo apt-get install gnome caused this problem?\n what GPU do you have mkeer\n Nvidia NVS 160m\n I installed the drivers from the NVIDIA website\n mkeer: that might be your problem\n yeah....\n I never install GPU drivers from their site. I always get them from the drivers menu or repos of whatever distro I'm using.\n but everything was working fine at first\n until you rebooted?\n well, I logged off and the system seemed to hang\n the new driver doesn't activate until you log off\n its possible that it was installing updates or something, but it didnt tell me so\n so should I be using the Nouveau drivers or...?\n ok, im looking at some guide for installing nvidia drivers\n Beautiful\n Thank you very much to both of you\n Blah... very many graphical glitches however\n screen turning partially black...\n basically I'd recommend figuring out how to uninstall the nvidia drivers you downloaded from their website, reboot and then use the final tab of the Software & Updates tool to try the available packaged drivers if you like\n Do you recommend lightdm vs gdm?\n there's not much difference but gdm has better integration with GNOME Shell (pretty lock screen)\n my cpu jumps to 30% usage just my moving the system monitor window\n nothing else is running\n not normal, right?\n My CPU is a T9600... quite old, but still 2.8ghz or so\n if you don't have working 3D acceleration from your graphics driver/card, GNOME Shell falls back to using CPU acceleration\n do you work for ubuntu gnome?\n (or contribute)\n yes, it's a volunteer project and I'm a volunteer\n im surprised by how linux distributions maintain consistency despite having people working from all over the world\n ubuntu -gnome say me that : 'can`t load session 'gnome'\n what can i do '? because i install this so yesterday...\n Hello After reading this article http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/06/lubuntu-kubuntu-decide-against-mir-switch. I have waited for long time for some official announcement from Ubuntu GNOME But I haven't seen any. Can anybody what will happen to Ubuntu Gnome in future??\n vramana: there isn't anything really to announce at this point\n Oh okay.\n at some point, it's going to be wayland\n whent hey're finished developing it in 48 years\n bjsnider: Gnome 3.12 aims to use wayland by default.\n It's release is around March 2014\n So may be I can expect Ubuntu Gnome to use wayland on 14.10 I guss\n *guedd\n *guess\n#ubuntu-gnome 2013-07-11\n i've never felt better in my life\n darkxst: what do you want for the default homepage?\n jbicha, for firefox? what does ubuntu use?\n start.ubuntu.com\n not sure really, I sort of inclined to just give them a nice clean google page. but having the help/community links is nice\n I really like about:home but I don't know how long it will take for someone to try to fix ubufox (since it's only minimally maintained now)\n oh that is cool\n that's Firefox's real default and I've set it as my default for quite a while but when I tried setting it for Ubuntu GNOME I hit bug 1195367\n bug 1195367 in ubuntu-gnome-default-settings (Ubuntu) \"Firefox about:home doesn't work right when set with ubuntu-defaults-builder\" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1195367\n oh, so ubufox kills whatever you set then?\n no, I think we could set whatever web page we wanted but about:home is internal and it looks like the javascript is blocked for some reason\n weird\n jbicha, does anything show up in the error console ?\n Security Error: Content at about:startpage may not load or link to chrome://branding/content/icon32.png.\n that's it\n wouldnt have through that would block js though\n how unstable is an alpha version?\n meet, in general its quite stable\n however from time to time things might break for a short time\n but do these breakings affect the system critically?\n well that is unlikely, but its a development release so maybe occasionally something really bad will happen\n I have a dual boot. I am basically a hobbyist and frequently hop from distro to distro. And even if a major error occurs I may afford to replace the distro. Should I try it out? :D\n yeh sure\n like I said anyway its quite unlikely that anything critical will happen\n and if it did, sounds like you can boot back to backup distro anyway!\n ya..ok.. btw in 13.04 i was having many problems related to online accounts. Like many a times empathy would not connect or ask me to authenticate several times and many such problems. Have these been addressed?\n meet, we have removed ubuntu online accounts\n so hopefully that might be fixed\n so i have an annoying problem. gnome online accounts would crash every time i tried to remove my google account. I was trying to remove because i could not authenticate with 2-factor authentication. i deleted it from some config files and that apparently fixed the problem. but upon boot i get an authentication request.\n how do i stop these phantom authentication requests?\n they come up when i start a search in the activities screen too.\n should i just purge goa all together???\n Nedwin: i am not sure, but on ubuntu-gnome 13.10 release notes they have given a work around for problems with two factor authentication. have a look. here's the link: http://goo.gl/JT6Ir\n cheers @meet\n I hope that works. otherwise i might end up getting it twice.\n hi\n Hallihallo?\n Hi\n ( \u00cd\u00a1\u00c2\u00b0 \u00cd\u009c\u00ca\u0096 \u00cd\u00a1\u00c2\u00b0)\n >tfw you are using GNOME3.8\n#ubuntu-gnome 2013-07-12\n hello\n what is this crazy talk about 3.9.4 out already?\n also, looks like 3.10 is slated for a late sept release. I wonder if that'll end up in 13.10 by default?\n ricotz, hi\n darkxst, hi\n I was thinking to start upload some 3.9 bits to the ppa, what do you think?\n darkxst, sounds fine\n while there is finally a cogl release, it would be nice to transition to it immediately then\n and enable the full wayland support with it\n yeh that would be good\n https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/unstable/+packages\n dont install those packages like that ;)\n there is a breaks missing which would prevent that\n ok\n ricotz, you added xwayland manually?\n considering it hasnt been merged yet afaik?\n yes\n this is more for testing, the xorg-edgers package includes it too\n there are still the ddx side patches needed\n ok cool, too bad I am stuck on the binary blob here\n yeah, intel is kind of the best to test it\n could never get my second monitor to work on nouvaeu\n my laptop has intel, buts its not really my dev playground. kind of needs to be stable ;)\n darkxst, that is fine\n maybe wayland works in vmware though?\n hello everybody! I have a great problem with my vuze on ubuntu 13.04 : the window is not responding before I get the gnome 3.8 it was working perfectly, I am on vuze 5.0 is someone know what to do ?\n darkxst, i guess it should\n Rand_, you might be better trying a more generic channel such as #ubuntu for that. Vuze is not part of gnome\n ricotz, I will try when I get a chance.\n I do remember seeing mentions of wayland support in the changelogs along the way though\n darkxst, it was quite in flux, but with the abi/api promise of wayland 1.1.91 it should calm down\n only gtk builds the wayland backend\n 3.9.8 require wayland 1.1.90\n to prepare the full support for mutter the support in cogl and clutter needs to be enabled too\n I pretty sure I don't have any Qt apps (excluding ubuntu apps)\n we have pretty much free reign on that this cycle though? assuming its actually ready\n Jono has some idea of a Mir backend for gnome-shell, lol ;)\n no idea where that will come from !\n huh?\n i *really* doubt that\n ricotz, yes me too\n the needed changes for mutter are quite something\n and no mir for gnome-shell, without support for mutter/cogl/clutter\n and gtk, of course\n yeh I know, its super complicated with just X and wayland\n no way upstream will take a 3rd complication\n absolutely\n I think jono is just dreaming....\n because there is no way canonical would do it. and its well beyond us\n let see what the future brings for mir\n i hope fedora will pick up testing GNOME/wayland soon\n or even debian\n fedora should! its always broken anyways ;)\n jfyi https://lists.launchpad.net/elementary-dev-community/msg02491.html\n ricotz, that sounds almost exactly the same as the conversation I had with jono\n darkxst, probably ;)\n apparently there is some delusional idea that upstream might consider ubuntu flavours as different distros\n darkxst, i hope they do in regards helping with wayland problems ;)\n well ironically, they may well if all the flavours switch to wayland\n is there an eta when mir lands in saucy?\n (the package itself)\n not entirely sure\n currently its just Xmir\n all input etc is still through X\n yeah, i know\n so really just a system compositor for rendering\n i am just curious about the init changes when this happens\n lightdm lauches u-s-c\n you mean session-compositor?\n yeh\n they call it unity-system-compositor of course!\n ok\n so there shouldnt be any init changes provided you are using gdm or other dm\n right\n you can force fallback by patching a conf file\n and I think there is also a lock file that is created after things fails, so lightdm doesnt bother trying again in case your system doesnt happen to work\n anyway at the end of the day wayland is the future for gnome\n and I am pretty sure we did bulk of work on landing the gnome 3.8 stack\n yet they won't provide any help for example making gdm work under Xmir\n ricotz, can you upload gtk 3.9.4? I will start uploading other packages then, when I get back from my adventures tomorrw\n darkxst, you mean 3.9.8?\n yeh that too\n I have been running on jhbuild so far this cycle\n it will break the unity menu stuff while there is no port of that patch\n if i get to it everything will go into gnome3-staging/saucy first\n ok sounds good\n I mean it would be better we don;t break unity, but the people using staging probably don't care\n darkxst, lars wasnt declined to work on porting the patch though if it is needed\n ricotz, ok, that is good I guess\n assuming wasnt == hasnt\n hello friend\n s\n darkxst:\n darkxst:\n darkxst: I've been waiting here for a long time :(\n darkxst: looks like you are not here\n amjjawad: he has to sleep some time ;)\n jbicha: thanks :)\n I will catch up with him later then. He did not tell me what time he be online\n darkxst: hibernate on lid close bug 1194328\n bug 1194328 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) \"Ubuntu 13.10 Close LID actions Ignored\" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1194328\n (I don't use that feature but if you wanted somewhere to track that...)\n#ubuntu-gnome 2013-07-13\n join #xubuntu-devel\n darkxst: bug 1200827 :)\n bug 1200827 in gvfs (Ubuntu) \"Enable GOA backend\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1200827\n darkxst, hi, gtk is ready in staging\n hey guys :)\n jbicha, hibernate on lid close action is going away anyway\n with logind it can only be set as a global option\n well an admin could set it then?\n sure, it can be set in logind.conf but wont be available in g-c-c\n yeah that's fine\n speaking of suspend/hibernate, pm-utils is no longer installed by default in UG saucy\n#ubuntu-gnome 2013-07-14\n hello\n i'm currently running ubuntu 13.04... is there an easy way to convert my existing installation to ubuntu gnome?\n Hi. Just installed 13.04. Working well but the dash is a little laggy while showing up. What can I do so that it shows up instantly.\n Guest78832, you can try this. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/04/gnome-3-8-ppa-for-ubuntu-gnome\n Guest78832: you can skip the ppa steps, basically just installing ubuntu-gnome-desktop will give you a combination of Ubuntu and Ubuntu GNOME\n Hi Guys , i'm wondering how do i make my own program launcher to go on the left hand menu application laucher bar ?\n kenfleming77, right click on an app in the search results and \"add to favourites\"\n Cheers :-)\n The app dont show up, its the program cronometer, can i use a bin file somehow ?\n where are the program launchers located in the file system so i can check one out and see how it works ?\n Maybe i'm asking the wrong qustions ? , i use gnome 3 because it the best multi-tasking desktop there is and its sexy, thanks anyway have a great one huys\n kenfleming77, it needs to have a desktop file, you can make one with alacarte if its not showing u[\n#ubuntu-gnome 2014-07-07\n hello\n I have a question about gno-menu ... for whatever reason the Tweak Tool > Extensions > Gno-menu is erroring out with this message \"Error loading extension\" ... I put a video together on youtube to explain the situation here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBr-5h2oxpY ... any assistance would be greatly appreciated ... thank you in advance\n I have a question about gno-menu ...\n for whatever reason the Tweak Tool > Extensions > Gno-menu is erroring out with this message \"Error loading extension\"\n I put a video together on youtube to explain the situation here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBr-5h2oxpY ... any assistance would be greatly appreciated ... thank you in advance\n sorry about the duplicate question ... it appeared that part of my question was cut off .. that's why i duplicated it\n I have a question about gno-menu ... for whatever reason the Tweak Tool > Extensions > Gno-menu is erroring out with this message \"Error loading extension\" ... I put a video together on youtube to explain the situation here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBr-5h2oxpY ... any assistance would be greatly appreciated ... thank you in advance\n hola!\n question: how can i set my LVDS laptop monitor (1600x900) top pan vertically only and match my external HDMI output (1920x1080) to get the missing cropped space to show on mouse hover\n anyone?\n#ubuntu-gnome 2014-07-08\n Hi all I'm having a problem with gnome freezing after login that I can't seem to find described on stack overflow or through google\n it's happened twice where I've installed, then after some time the system just freezes on login\n when exactly does it freeze?\n was hoping someone here would have heard of or experienced this\n so I put in my password\n I see the grey background\n and thats it\n mouse if still working\n I can jump to a terminal and reboot\n so gnome-shell never appears?\n nope\n never\n can you paste ~/.cache/upstart/gnome-session-GNOME.log\n and /var/log/gdm/\\:0-slave.log\n cat: /home/landon/.cache/upstart/gnome-session-GNOME.log: No such file or directory\n and here's the other one\n http://pastebin.com/ZnTdfSLv\n darkxst: you think it could be this one?\n \"/etc/default/locale: No such file or directory\"\n maybe, do you have that file?\n I can see\n slick6661, set Debug = True at the end of /etc/gdm/custom.conf then restart gdm and get fresh log\n ok will do\n it'll take a few but I'll reboot, fail and reboot again. just need to save some work\n brb\n hey darkxst\n hey\n back\n making a pastbin of that file...\n http://pastebin.com/tg3kZWve\n there\n a lot bigger this time\n Not seeing a problem in all the noise though\n slick666, that was a Unity Session?\n That might make sense\n I installed unity after Gnome stopped working\n so I'm using unity now\n did unity squash all the gnome3 data?\n that file is regerated on each login\n so If you just logged into Unity, its no good\n ah crap\n ok\n I'll reboot, login, fail, copy the file, reboot\n brb\n hey darkxst\n back\n http://pastebin.com/w8gXfMTk\n this 'should' be what we want\n that looked loke it worked as well\n did that other log get created?\n gnome-session-GNOME.log\n sorry, where was that file supposed to be?\n find got it\n /home/landon/.cache/upstart/gnome-session-GNOME.log\n ok, here it is\n http://pastebin.com/MeZtzWWX\n maybe it's line 28\n slick666, I can't see that one\n looks like the pastebin expired\n Hi. Anyone around?\n dugie, !ask\n !ask\n Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience\n I have a question about gno-menu ... for whatever reason the Tweak Tool > Extensions > Gno-menu is erroring out with this message \"Error loading extension\" ... I put a video together on youtube to explain the situation here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBr-5h2oxpY ... any assistance would be greatly appreciated ... thank you in advance\n dugie, we don't support extensions, you should contact the author\n Oh, I see (said the blind man)\n Hey I just installed mate-desktop\n How do I start my session with it?\n#ubuntu-gnome 2014-07-10\n what up clowns\n meow?\n Ben Scholzen: Woof\n oh, a familiar face\n ja\n identify yourself! ;P\n are you KGB?\n no. NSA of course\n there's no NSA in Baden-Wurttemberg\n you bet\n the NSA actually has an on-site location in Stuttgart\n probably not for much longer\n the US intel chief just got kicked out.... they'll move all of that shit to Poland\n jawoota, actually, should I know you? I don't know any people from Belarus\n DASPRiD, lol no\n just messin with ya!!\n ah fuck\n 30 secs\n ahhhh 14.10 is coming along\n utopic unicorn \\o/\n they should use this as mascot: http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130702040143/whatever-you-want/images/3/32/Request_66_alicorn_twilight_sparkle_by_radiant_eclipse-d5q621j.png\n hell yeah\n alicorns are definitely utopic unicorns ;)\n they need to call 15.04 'hotmomma'\n prove that this project isn't just a bunch of pink unicorn lovin homos\n 15.04 letter is \"V\" though\n ohhh yeah\n that's right\n I forgot that there is a naming convention\n hmm\n it's always Attribute + \"Animal\"\n voluptuous vulcan\n i'd go with Velociraptor\n voluptuous velociraptor?\n that sounds O.K.\n haha\n propose it ;)\n jawoota, https://twitter.com/DASPRiD/status/487292344472190976\n jaa.......\n Shall do\n DASPRiD, good man ;)\n hi, can someone tell me how i can remove the ubuntu-gnome logo at the login screen?\n usually the theme can be modified in the /usr/share/gnome-shell/theme folder, but it seems this must be done somewhere else...\n#ubuntu-gnome 2014-07-11\n ricotz, hey, did you see my email?\n (for tracker MIR)\n darkxst, hi, sorry no, i am dealing with a huge fallout :\\\n the kernel 3.16.0-3 scrambled my root partition\n assuming some ext4 heavy-load bug on a ssd\n ricotz, kernels shouldnt do that ;)\n the filesystem driver can\n though my laptop not to happy either, had to revert to trusty kernel on that\n atleast filesystem is still intact!\n yeah i am on 3.15 again\n still a lot of cleaning, reinstalling would be more painful\n I am stuck on 3.13, guess related to all the intel drm changes\n w00t\n#ubuntu-gnome 2014-07-12\n does anyone have a plan to update this: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Jhbuild/OnUbuntu [I am stuck with not being able to start the gnome-session from a VT... my guess is some permission issue/systemd login thing]\n hi there\n is someone there that can help me? i got a black screen when trying to install\n#ubuntu-gnome 2014-07-13\n hi\n hi\n !ask\n Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience\n i dont have question ;)\n :-)\n ha ok\n#ubuntu-gnome 2015-07-06\n darkxst: hi\n stiv2k, hi\n darkxst, Are there any plans to still fix bug 1386958 ?\n bug 1386958 in Lubuntu Software Center \"GNOME Integration\" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1386958\n Noskcaj, the bulk of it was done\n anyone else suffer from constant crashing of colord on 15.04?\n craysiii, no, file a bug\n okay i will. I have done the send a report a few times, next time ill just file it myself\n craysiii, for stable release that goes to errors.ubuntu.com\n craysiii, i'm busy right now, but maybe check errors.ubuntu.com or bugs.launchpad.com/ubuntu/+source/colord to check\n nvm, darkxst is here to help\n Noskcaj, not really, I'm a zombie today\n big saturday night\n okay so i made an account for ubuntu one so i could access what appears to be the same error that I am getting (#5 on errors.ubuntu.com) but now when i try to view the report i get an OpenID error saying my account doesn't have a nickname. I go to the page where I registered to change my nickname but there is no option to add/edit one\n craysiii, reports on errors.u.c need special permissions to access send me the link\n oh okay\n https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/8b9ed48be6c32a738c54fc1fc36cccf2058be60b\n i believe thats what it is\n if there's a bug for it i can triage and unprivate it\n i need to confirm though, and it usually only happens once per boot cycle\n craysiii, thats bug 1351286\n bug 1351286 in sane-backends (Ubuntu) \"colord-sane assert failure: colord-sane: simple-watch.c:454: avahi_simple_poll_prepare: Assertion `s->state == STATE_INIT || s->state == STATE_DISPATCHED || s->state == STATE_FAILURE' failed.\" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1351286\n interesting error\n i wonder if s is null and thats why the assertion is failing\n craysiii, s is not null\n it could be a dangling pointer though can't tell that from the stacktrace\n been a while since ive done or looked at c/++\n craysiii, ideally you would fire it up in gdb and set a breakpoint on avahi_simple_poll_prepare\n and then poke into s, but if it only happens on boot that is a little tricky\n well for me, ot doesn't happen on boot, but only once per boot\\\n it happens randomly\n or what appears to be random\n attach gdb to the process, set breakpoint and wait!\n ill try to debug it later this week. i'm starting a fullstack web dev course on bloc.io tomorrow. trying to focus on 1 thing at a time :P\n could be something specific only getting ~250 hits p/d\n hardware specific\n what does p/d mean\n do you think it could have to do with the fact that im running at kind of a weird resolution? 2560x1080\n per day\n no shouldnt be related to resolution, I wouldnt have though so anyway\n do you have a scanner attached to your machine?\n nope\n its a really new computer. Intel G3258 cpu. nvidia gtx 960.\n no peripherals attached except m/kb and speakers through audio jack\n craysiii, its crashing in the Sane Kodak AIO backend\n o.O\n ill have to check mine then. i don't know why that would even be on my installation\n or why it would be invoked\n do you think that could happen if there is a networked printer on the LAN?\n craysiii, yes\n i didn't think about that, there is one networked printer i believe\n there is one on the network but its not added as an available printer on my machine\n though ubuntu is able to find it\n and its an epson printer\n craysiii, does seem related to network, if you look at the trace\n https://launchpadlibrarian.net/181315332/Stacktrace.txt\n net autodiscovery\n i wonder if i can turn that off\n yeh frames #6 - #8 are probably the interesting ones\n you can possibly disable the kodakaio backend, but thats would just be a hacky workaround\n truew\n needs to fail gracefully\n lol\n or connect properly or whatever its supposed to do\n it could be confused, but I don't have time to look at the source code\n thanks for taking me this far\n im going to attempt it in my freetime. always wanted to contribute. unless someone does first ha.\n seems like a corner case to me, so unlikely that will happen\n craysiii, its really hard to fix bugs that can't be reproduced (except the rare occassion there is something\n glaring obvious wrong in the stacktrace)\n somehow my computer reproduces it every day >.>\n It could be triggered somehow by the network printer\n maybe when its turned on\n or off\n I have a xerox network printer but apparently that does not trigger it\n why is the gnome keyring so bad at handling my passwords? Evolution-ews struggles constantly to remember my password, keeps asking me to authenticate and I've found several bugs reported and solved for similar issues online.\n and now after I changed my AD password at work pidgin won't work either. keeps asking for the password.\n this issue with exchange accounts in evolution goes back years\n stemid, evo is mainly maintainted by the ubuntu desktop team\n Hello, I am using Ubuntu 15.04, all of my GNOME applications aren't working properly, example- screenshots makes the screen go white and freezes, Tried to reinstall - http://paste.ubuntu.com/11832491/\n Have a look at the link, any pointers will be appreciated, Thanks in Advance...\n Hello! i need an advice. I have a game that is launched but command of type \"cd /game/folder && ./game -par param\"\n it works fine from terminal\n but when i create a launcher wich such command, it tells me that \"an error occured during launch\" every time\n Kurvivor19: several options. One is to try Path=/game/folder\n the other is to try Termin=true\n then there is always the option of making your line to start the program a little script which you then execute instead.\n#ubuntu-gnome 2015-07-07\n darkxst: i think the build was crashing because i was running out of RAM in my virtual machine\n darkxst: i'm still intending on doing those patches\n dont give up on me ;)\n neva gunna give neva gunna give\n (give you up)\n stiv2k, I actually ported the packagekit patch to the new api\n still needs to be properly integrated into gnome-control-center though\n darkxst: oh?\n what does it mean for me?\n hi all\n make sandwich\n .\n stiv2k, I only ported the first patch to the new packagekit api, it still needs to be properly integrated with the region panel\n darkxst: hi\n hi\n darkxst: okay\n control center is still building...\n lol\n its takes a while to build all deps! though once they are build you can usually just use jhbuild buildone for the bits you changing\n it would be faster if my computer didnt go to sleep when im not here\n and that every step of the way so far, i had problems\n but that is i think what the definition of learning is\n#ubuntu-gnome 2015-07-08\n hi all\n darkxs t after reading the stacktrace from a few restarts it seems that its not the kodak AIO driver failing, but cannon's own pixma driver. Though I don't know how much of a difference it makes.\n had to restart again if you msged me dark.\n craysiii, can you link a backtrace\n#ubuntu-gnome 2015-07-09\n darkxst where can i find it? I looked at it through ubuntu's error prompt, didn't save it though. looked in /var/log but don't even know which file it would be in\n craysiii, it should show up on errors.u.c if you submitted the reports\n My wife has Ubuntu-GNOME on her Macbook air. She is having issues getting to resume from suspend. The machine at times will stay in a blank screen and become unresponsive. She will then reboot to get everything working again. I installed xscreensaver and disabled suspend from there, but it still happens on occasion. Has anyone knows of a better solution?\n darkxst https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/9da8db18241cdab8773512d0b865fa07402ef4fd i can't see it to verify, but from the short description it looks right. different than the one i had assumed earlier\n also i've submitted more than 1 so i think it's safe to assume the last one in the list isn't it either.\n https://errors.ubuntu.com/?release=Ubuntu%2015.04&package=colord&period=day this list i mean.\n charlie_uk, The next step is probably \"do a thing\"\n Most documentation currently is in text format, see https://wiki.gnome.org/DocumentationProject/ and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/DocumentationTeam\n For video guides, i assume you'd just want to take the current docs for an app, and do a how-to video for it\n There also was a plan by the ubuntu-quality team to make video guides of how to test things a while back, making videos for that could be very helpful too\n That seems a good place to start\n I guess I can make a few videos and then get feedback\n and then remake them LOL\n This is my first experience of an opensource community\n I guess it's all rather fluid rather than regimented\n well welcome aboard then. The general concept of open-source is it's a do-ocracy, so if you're willing to do the work, most things are ok to happen\n Sounds good.\n I'll 'do a thing' and see if it sticks\n#ubuntu-gnome 2015-07-10\n craysiii, that looks like a buffer overlow\n #5 0x00007fba7311c86e in strcpy (__src=0x7fff712e3690 \"Canon-MP600R-Printer\", __dest=0x7fff712e3290 \"Canon-MP600R-PriltiPASS 2.1\") at /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/bits/string3.h:104\n No locals.\n #6 determine_scanner_serial (serial=0x7fff712e3290 \"Canon-MP600R-PriltiPASS 2.1\", mac_address=0x7fba7332e5a9 \"000085cdedb5\", hostname=0x7fff712e2a10 \"Canon-MP600R-Printer.home\") at pixma_bjnp.c:373\n dot = \n copy = \"Canon-MP600R-Printer\\000home\\000N;CMD:MultiPASS 2.1;MDL:MP600R;CLS:IMAGE;DES:CANON MP600R;\\000\\177\\000\\000)6\\022s\\272\\177\\000\\000\\b>.q\\377\\177\\000\\000.\\a\\310}\\272\\177\\000\\000\\030\\067.q\\377\\177\\000\\000P8.q\\377\\177\\000\"\n #7 add_scanner (dev_no=0x7fff712e3f58, uri=0x7fff712ec620 \"bjnp://Canon-MP600R-Printer.home:8612\", attach_bjnp=0x7fba7310f5f0 , pixma_devices=0x7fba7332b980 ) at pixma_bjnp.c:1682\n craysiii, this: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/sane/sane-backends.git/commit/?id=d35d6326cb00fcbb19b41599bdff7faf5d79225e\n wow\n is ubuntu gnome using an older version of sane\n craysiii, no, but there hasnt been a release of sane-backends in nearly 2 years\n bug 1473264\n bug 1473264 in sane-backends (Ubuntu) \"/usr/lib/colord/colord-sane:*** buffer overflow detected ***: /usr/lib/colord/colord-sane terminated\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1473264\n hm\n craysiii, it should be possible to cherry-pick that patch into the archives, or otherwise you could work around it by making the hostname of your printer < 16 characters\n hi all\n darkxst: hi\n stiv2k, hi\n darkxst: another problem\n darkxst: gst-plugins-base\n failed build..\n logs?\n one sec\n darkxst: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11858700/\n make[5]: *** No rule to make target 'gstrtsp-marshal.list', needed by 'gstrtsp-marshal.h'. Stop.\n hmm that file comes from the git repo, shouldnt need building\n is it missing?\n i don't know\n i didnt touch it\n#ubuntu-gnome 2015-07-11\n can i make it re-download from the git repo? maybe when it downloaded, it was broken but a commit has been fixed\n jhbuild pulls any new commits everytime you build\n did gstrtsp-marshal.c and .h get built?\n (look in\n make[5]: Entering directory '/home/test/jhbuild/checkout/gst-plugins-base/gst-libs/gst/rtsp)\n stiv2k, which moduleset are you building? 3.16 or 3.18?\n Now I have another issue. I was using 1 monitor, we'll call her LG. LG has always been monitor 1. I connected a 2nd monitor, called HP. For some reason, even though in the display options LG is denoted as the primary and HP the secondary, the actual numbers of the monitors is reversed (HP being 1, LG being 2) even though LG has always been plugged in and HP is a day old. Normally, I wouldn't let something so petty bother me.\n However, when i turn off the computer and turn it back on, the log on screen appears on HP, even though it should appear on LG. waddaheck\n also, when logged in, LG is the one that has the task bar etc.\n craysiii, not sure its possible to override the monitor numbers, short of swapping the physical connects (assuming this is a desktop system)\n also gdm (login screen) does not support custom monitor configs, so it will always display on monitor 1\n lg is connected through hdmi and hp is connected through dvi. not possible to switch them. wish there was a way to reassign, oh well\n craysiii: You could buy a multi-converter box for fairly cheap\n the hp only has dvi and vga, i have a dvi to hdmi cable that works for the hp, and i could buy a display port cable for the lg, but im afraid the hdmi is going to come up as a lower number than the display port\n craysiii, matbe possible with a custom xorg.conf\n ill check it out\n yo\n Does anyone else feel like the ubuntu-gnome website needs an update?\n .\n .\n Does anyone else feel like the ubuntu-gnome website needs an update?\n jMcA, artwork team are working on it\n hello. Some one else that have problems with the panel on the left that shows when pressing the windows-logo? That is, some times some launchers disapear..?\n#ubuntu-gnome 2015-07-12\n hi all :)\n good morning :)\n hi :)\n craysiii, Thank you :)\n haha Today, Korea is rainy :)\n anhaseyo\n its sunny here in california\n oh..!! did you know Korean language? :)\n no lol i have korean friend but thats about all i know\n Wow :)\n I know, When i went to California 2 years ago,\n There has good weather :)\n But I think pretty hot :)\n Wow, nice to meet you :) haha\n 22C right now, nice to meet you too\n :-)\n#ubuntu-gnome 2016-07-11\n Hey any irssi user who can tell me how I can achieve having all my joined channels in the bottom, like 1 (Status) 2(#Ubuntu) 3(Linux) and so on, I am already using adv_windowlist, but it displays the channels in a seperate window and I would like it to be in the status bar.\n Anyone got the System Monitor extension to work with Gnome 3.20 on UbuntuGNOME 16.04? Won't even install here.\n ceed^: which extension?\n jbicha, This one: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1064/system-monitor/\n#ubuntu-gnome 2016-07-12\n Hello everyone, I've got a new laptop with a GeForce GT 940M in it. I get a load of issues (as per https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1559576) - has anyone been able to reliably solve the instabilities?\n Launchpad bug 1559576 in gdm3 (Ubuntu Xenial) \"Ubuntu GNOME boots to black screen when using proprietary Nvidia drivers on a laptop with Optimus\" [Critical,Triaged]\n#ubuntu-gnome 2016-07-13\n hi\n i am new in ubuntu-gnome and a i have a doubt\n i was searching about the extensions and the videos i watch they said that the deafault extensions that are installed don't receive the updates in the same time of the extensions in the page and they recomendo to uninstall the default and install the extensions of the page\n is that necessary?\n jbicha, hi, is gnome-maps completely relying on libchamplain if so falling back on a working way by patching that could be enough\n ricotz: patching it to do what?\n to a working mapsource\n I think the problem is finding a map server that's willing to take all our traffic without payment\n https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=768392\n Gnome bug 768392 in map-sources \"Remove mapquest map source\" [Normal,Reopened]\n#ubuntu-gnome 2016-07-14\n Is it possible to stop my screen blanking when I lock it? I have a serious problem in that when I lock my computer, the screens blank, and as soon as my HDMI monitor goes into standby, the computer wakes back up and switching the monitor back on, this then loops until I come back, and once I unlock gnome-shell has become totally unresponsive until I ALT+F then r to restart it\n it goes like this; Lock computer, all screens blank, hdmi monitor goes to sleep after ~5 seconds, this causes the screens to wake up, wakes the monitor again, showing lock screen, ~X seconds later sleeps again, minitor goes to sleep, computer wakes, lock screen again ... rinse and repeat\n I@m quite happy for the screens never to sleep/blank if that's the only way to fix it\n could anybody with patching power apply the commit mentioned in https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=767780 to the current staging builds..? It's quite annoying to not be able to send emails...\n Gnome bug 767780 in Mailer \"The \"References\" header folded twice\" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]\n hm jbicha is not around :(\n muelli, pusing e-d-s 3.20.4\n *pushing\n ricotz: \\o/\n#ubuntu-gnome 2016-07-15\n this is a really stupid question. I've sshed into my machine and I need to mount a couple of disks. I would usually do this using gnome-disks when I'm on the machine locally but I don't know how to run it with the correct permission when I'm remote. Anyone now how?\n I cannot `sudo gnome-disks` because it then mounts them for root not my user\n Hi all, I've had my laptop running since this morning, and I'm starting to get little bits of lag in the UI. I've noticed in my system gnome-settings-daemon has crept up to 16.4% memory usage (I've got 16GB RAM), this means it's using over 2.5GB. Surely this can't be right?! Save rebooting my machine, what can I do to alleviate this? I've also seen\n gnome-shell start using more and more RAM at times. Thanks\n#ubuntu-gnome 2016-07-17\n hi all\n#ubuntu-gnome 2017-07-10\n I had to upgrade from 16.04 to 16.10\n and my graphical settings were all screwed up\n now I'm trying to upgrade to 17.04 to see if it's a little bit better\n any advice on repairing the theme to something usable\n if anyone is still using 16.04 can you tell me what desktop font your system is using?\n latest update to 16.10 and 17.04 completely fucked my shit up\n I feel like I'm running into the opposite issue of most people... I'm having an issue where my shell inside gnome-terminal remembers which dir I'm in when I open a new tab - I don't want that... I'd like it to always start in the home dir. Is there any way to do this?\n hi\n I have a laptop with a hidpi screen (4k) but if I connect it to a 2k external or 1k external monitor, everything is WAY oversized when going to the smaller monitor. The \"fix\" I have right now is that I leave hidpi scaling to 1 which is small on the laptop, but normal on the connected monitors...I was curious if there's a better way of doing this?\n#ubuntu-gnome 2017-07-11\n Hi\n In my calendar, the name of the month is written in the local language\n I want it to be in English, how can I change it?\n Anything?\n Hello\n friends do you know if the Unity patches for Empathy, GNOME Contacts,, gnome-screenshoter and Totem (wich are really anoying for me) will go out from 17.10? http://i.imgur.com/OPgS2dC.png\n#ubuntu-gnome 2017-07-14\n i can't seem to switch to virtual consoles. i'm in an X session now and when i hit alt-Fx nothing changes except i can't do anything in X until i switch back to whatever X uses for console, something like alt-F1 or alt-F7\n have these been taken out of the default distro conf or is something not working right on this particular laptop?\n cores: that's a bug, I've seen that sometimes\n jbicha: are there any fixes to try?\n i see that my kernel command line has \"vt.handoff=7\"\n I guess you could start by filing the bug :)\n haha\n and i meant ctrl-alt-Fx, not just alt-Fx, just in case\n#ubuntu-gnome 2017-07-16\n i can type in the virtual console, i just can't see it, i still see whatever was last on the X screen when i switch to virtual consoles\n but i am able to log in, so it is accepting keyboard input\n https://askubuntu.com/questions/911560/enable-ctrlaltf1-virtual-consoles-in-ubuntu-gnome\n"], ["#ubuntu-jp 2011-05-02\n \u00e3\u0081\u0093\u00e3\u0082\u0093\u00e3\u0081\u00ab\u00e3\u0081\u00a1\u00e3\u0081\u00af\n uEFI\u00e7\u0092\u00b0\u00e5\u00a2\u0083\u00e3\u0081\u00ae\u00e3\u0083\u009e\u00e3\u0082\u00b7\u00e3\u0083\u00b3\u00e3\u0081\u00abubunu-server11.04\u00ef\u00bc\u0088Natty 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